Pachauri’s Carbon Choo-Choo off the rails

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Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC Chairman Image: Jo Nova

There are some interesting developments in British press about the IPCC and Pachauri, both on the extraordinary financial conflicts of interest in the IPCC process.

In the UK  Telegraph, Richard North of the EU Referendum and Christopher Booker strongly suggest IPCC boss Rajendra Pachauri has earned what they claim are  vast sums of money from his connection to the trade in carbon credits. North writes:

In addition to his paid post as Director-General of TERI, Pachauri has taken on over twenty additional posts since becoming chairman of the IPCC – another of his paid posts.

From the Telegraph:

What has also almost entirely escaped attention, however, is how Dr Pachauri has established an astonishing worldwide portfolio of business interests with bodies which have been investing billions of dollars in organisations dependent on the IPCC’s policy recommendations.

These outfits include banks, oil and energy companies and investment funds heavily involved in ‘carbon trading’ and ‘sustainable technologies’, which together make up the fastest-growing commodity market in the world, estimated soon to be worth trillions of dollars a year.

Pachauri’s really not happy about this, and has blasted the article in The Indian Express and The Times of India.

I think Pachauri’s train might be off the rails though, since he’s claiming:

The accusations, published in the The Sunday Telegraph, were coming from the same group of people who had tried unsuccessfully to discredit the IPCC and the “irrefutable science” on climate change by hacking personal emails of some scientists a few weeks ago, Pachauri said.

Gosh, accusing journalists now of being the Climatgate hackers? Desperate are we?

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170 thoughts on “Pachauri’s Carbon Choo-Choo off the rails

  1. This is not called a “conflict of interest” any more. Al Gore and company now call it “personal interest” putting ones money where their mouth is.

  2. It just wouldn’t be fair if big Al was the only one making money on this. I suspect there is a few more that are profiting from the global scare.

  3. That face looks like a police mugshot. Who Photoshopped the number board from the photograph?

    Other portraits make the fellow look like the gurus who used to shake down idiots like the Beatles. I am sure I seen one of this crook in an expensive white suit.

  4. I thought this was par for the course at the UN. IIRC, the “Oil for Food” program benefitted a few more people than Iraqi children.

    Anthony likes to dress up his photos a bit. Jail door bars? To early perhaps?

    —-

    Cute Google-ad – “Offset your carbon emissions. (We’ll show you how)”, on an image of jet with contrail and big red X on contrail and disclaimer “Contrail image used for illustrative purposes only. Offsets don’t really make contrails disappear, though it’s be pretty cool if they did.”

    Even in a hydrogen economy there would often be contrails.

  5. How would Dr Rajendra Pachauri know that there is “irrefutable science” on climate change ?

    He does have a MS in Industrial Engineering (1972), a PhD in Industrial Engineering and a PhD in Economics from North Carolina State University, but, frankly, most of the “peer review” “climate scientists” realclimate.com bunch would not recognize anyone with those credentials as a “climate scientist.”

  6. The thing is that this won’t matter at all to the True Believers. One of the elements of their faith is that the Good should become Rich through their efforts. Which explains the maniacal hatred towards anyone or any organization who turns a profit by opposing their wishes.

  7. And we’re surprised by this revelation? With nothing to control it, the U.N. is certain to be corrupt to the core.

  8. Anthony, the title reads “Pacharuri”, when it should be “Pachauri”. Please fix. Thanks.

    No sense in giving the “Warmistas” any fodder at all, no matter how slim, like “Uh, they can’t even spell his name right, so how reliable is their science?”.

    They are getting desparate, you know.

    [Fixed, thanks. ~dbs, mod.]

  9. He is undobtely a Saint of this new religion, founded by the Most holy Saint ” El Gordo” (the fat one) Al and others. These, however, are saints of an inferior realm, called by some as hell or inferno and by others the realm where abominable beings called “qliphots” dwell.

  10. It’s not a matter of putting their money where their mouth is; it’s a matter of putting their mouth where their money is!

  11. Neo:
    Don’t forget, he also has an honorary Doctorate from East Anglia. The inside team is rather incestuous, wouldn’t you say?

  12. Could accusing the journalists and/or paper in question of being the hackers (which means they comitted a criminal offense) be considered libelous? The comment from Pachouli ( ;) did not seem to express an opinion or suspicion – it presented as fact…

  13. Courtesy of the Naked Cowboy

    I don’t like this Global Cooling Mr President.
    I don’t Believe in You Anymore!

  14. I’m feeling kinda dumb. I knew the absolution credits would be a big business, and if one sold immediately after the e-mails were released, one would have made a big profit. Sigh, and I’m still trying to get my brother talked into planting trees on his pasture for an obscene amount. I see no reason why we shouldn’t turn the tables and profit off of their obsessive paranoia regarding the earth’s climate.

  15. Gosh, accusing journalists now of being the Climatgate hackers? Desperate are we?

    About as desperate as Mann playing the Palin card.

  16. Interesting perspective from an Indian blogger …

    http://libertynewscentral.blogspot.com/2009/12/pachauri-eating-away-at-civilization.html

    His site is worth a general look as well – he comments on the Indian media reaction to climategate, and much else.

    I’ve done a review of his blog … adding some comments …

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/eating-away-at-civilisation.html

    Pachauri, it seems, is a man of many talents. He is also a star columnist for the Hindustan Times … which is just about to link with the Washington Post.

  17. I blogged the Telegraph story yesterday. It is making the rounds.

    We find out that the health care bill is for the insurance and pharma industries benefit and that there are profiteers besides Al Gore in the Climate Control Industry.

    From what I have seen in my comments it is really hurting the believers. Every one knows Al Gore is a money grubbing buffoon. But the head of the IPCC? Is nothing sacred?

  18. Cute Google-ad – “Offset your carbon emissions. (We’ll show you how)”, on an image of jet with contrail and big red X on contrail …”

    I thought contrails from aircraft were condensation of water vapor. By condensing water vapor, aren’t aircraft getting rid of a major greenhouse gas – water vapor?? ;)

    These ads appeal to the ‘smoke is pollution’ crowd, I guess.

  19. One must wonder, does the UN/IPCC have any kind of ethics guidelines for employees?? How long would a U.S. Politician with similar business interests last? Or any politician in any but the most bought and paid for country? True fiction is unbelievable!

    “Welcome to the IPCC – your staff includes 31 PR Specialists, 2 scientists, and 7 investment advisers. Kindly deposit your UNICEF donation in the collection plate.”

  20. Come on, this is really not fair, all he is doing, just like the fragrant Al Gore, his putting his money where his mouth his. Investing in technologies which he believes will save the whole wide world. If he makes money out of it there is no conflict of interest it is not as if he is a public servant?

    See simple Bob’s your uncle!

    Central London been snowing for two hours, slush on the ground.
    Warwickshire to have 10 cms of snow tonight.
    Channel trains stuffed because of the cold weather.
    There we are its just weather not climate?

  21. It’s Global Temperature Homogenization.

    Warmer air goes to the poles.

    Cooler air goes to the equator.

    A zero-sum game.

    A temperature sensor pointed at earth from space
    would give the “homogenized” global answer, definitively.

    The current international efforts with carbon are foolly. (folly + foolish)

  22. Check out Gordon Browns quote…

    The UN’s consensual method of negotiation, which requires all 192 countries to reach agreement, needs to be reformed to ensure that the will of the majority prevails, he feels.

    The Prime Minister will say: “Never again should we face the deadlock that threatened to pull down those talks. Never again should we let a global deal to move towards a greener future be held to ransom by only a handful of countries. One of the frustrations for me was the lack of a global body with the sole responsibility for environmental stewardship.

    “I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions to meet the common challenges we face as a global community.” The summit failed to produce a political agreement among all the countries. Delegates instead passed a motion on Saturday “taking note” of an accord drawn up the night before by five countries: the US, China, India, Brazil and South Africa.

    Despite being the first world leader to join the summit, Mr Brown was excluded from the key meeting where the compromise was decided.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6963482.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=3392178

  23. Does he sell indulgences too? Interestingly the wikipedia entry on indulgences hasn’t been obliterated (yet): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

    OT: Is is possible that the CRU team decided to ship out the climategate emails themselves? This would enable them to circle the wagons, claim they were the victims, etc. and generally mitigate the embarrassment that was about to come out any way through the investigation of honest scientists and FOI requests.

  24. @ Richard Nehring (09:52:34) :
    ‘It’s not a matter of putting their money where their mouth is; it’s a matter of putting their mouth where their money is!’

    Naww – its a matter of putting our money where their mouth is.

  25. Jack in Oregon (10:14:24) :

    Check out Gordon Browns quote . . .
    “I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions.”

    Anyone who has followed British politics for the last few years knows that Gordon does not do democracy. Fortunately for the world, Gordon can’t stamp all over foreign leaders the way he has stamped over the people of Britain – but God knows he tried!

  26. …Gordon Browns quote . . .
    “I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions.”

    Question: Who elected Gordon Brown?

  27. Richard Nehring (09:52:34) :

    “It’s not a matter of putting their money where their mouth is; it’s a matter of putting their mouth where their money is!”

    No doubt true, but I believe Tim’s comment was meant as an allusion to Maurice Strong’s reply to a similar question on the Fox documentary. When the interviewer suggested that as Strong was a director of the Chicago Exchange, he stood to make a lot of money on emissions trading. His reply was as brilliant as it was mendacious – he was just putting his money where his mouth is.

    Pachauri on the other hand, came out swinging, which makes him seem like someone with something to hide. Al Gore has taken the evasive approach – Me have something to gain? We will all be gainers.

    Now however, Strong’s answer has redefined the question. Look for Al Gore and Pachauri to adopt the same strategy. They’re all taking enormous risks to save the planet.

  28. This is the part that really caught my attention…

    “…needs to be reformed to ensure that the will of the majority prevails…”

    That would put China and India in charge of the world…

    I was surprised by the comment that he was not in the primary room, during these negotiations…

    “Despite being the first world leader to join the summit, Mr Brown was excluded from the key meeting where the compromise was decided.”

  29. It has been fascinating to watch EUreferendum unravel the political and financial infrastructure of the Global warming movement.

    It started a few weeks ago when it was noticed by Richard that the steel works at Redcar in the UK was being closed down by TATA and Indian company that had purchased the British Steel industry only a few years earlier. Following the money Richard worked out that closing the British factories and opening new ones in India was subsidised by cashing in on Carbon Credits – about a billion dollars. TATA seemed to have links to Pachauri.

    For years Richard North and Chris Booker have been digging away at the under-reported corruption and incompetence that festers at heart of the EU, so it is unsurprising that they are now getting into the rotten political heart of the UN and the IPCC. At EUReferendum they have a unique expertise for ferreting out how the dirty politics and dirty money works. Their work is at the other end of the scale to the magnificent work you carry out on this weblog (which is to dissect and reconstruct the (dirty) data).

    In a way your two sites are a perfect match for each other, this story about the corruption at the top of the Copenhagen Conference is the missing element in the climategate scandal. When you put CRUgate and IPCCgate together you are really hitting AGW hysteria hard.

    I think it is congratulations all round

  30. Sean Peake (09:32:54) :

    So much for the gravy train

    Nice! (Assuming you’re referring to Pachauri’s former job as a railway engineer ;-)

  31. JonesII (09:50:12) :

    He is undoubtly a Saint of this new religion, founded by the Most holy Saint ” El Gordo” (the fat one)

    It was actually founded by Maurice Strong at the same time as he founded the Environmental movement. As Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto’s Saturday Night magazine:

    It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992. Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe.”

    http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106963.html

    Even the people at Radio for Peace at the UN Peace University saw through Maurice Strong and his ties to big business and the big banks!
    The university’s administrator, Canadian Maurice Strong, came in on a wave of influence based on the promise of Ted Turner’s foundation to give a billion dollars to the UN. His connections to the Turner foundation, the World Bank, and to those environmental groups you hear criticized for allowing domination by big business, are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Anyone searching “Maurice Strong” on the web encounters a very interesting array of entries. (To quote Lewis Carroll, the story becomes “Curious and curiouser”) If we can believe even 10% of the story of his ascent to power and influence, an astonishing tale of subterfuge emerges, consistent with his attack on RFPI. Beyond the fig leaf of NGO’s that he uses for cover, Strong’s real alliances are with the enemies of the UN, which they are busily “reforming” http://www.w4uvh.net/dxldtd3g.html%5DMaurice Strong and Radio for Peace International

    Strong makes even Al Gore look like a weeny when it comes to his carbon foot print.
    …Ontario Hydro, an industrial concern, headed by Earth Summit secretary general Maurice Strong, which is the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada. This corporation is currently selling nuclear reactors to Argentina and Chile…. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/061.html

    Strong is a member of the U.N.-funded Commission on Global Governance
    Global Warming for Global Governance has a good collection of quotes organized to show how Global Warming is to lead to Global Governance by the Elite http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GlobalGovernance.htm

  32. There’s nothing that quite matches the stench of sanctimonious self-righteous hypocrisy that permeates the crowd out to save the planet. If a Wall Street broker or an oil company executive played by their rules, they’d be in jail so fast it’d spin their heads. The conflict of interest displayed by Pachauri is so extreme that it would make U.S. politicians look like saints.

    A rhetorical question is, why aren’t the investigative journalists having a field day with this movement? Guess that bed is so big, warm, and inclusive.

  33. James Sexton (09:54:59) :

    I’m feeling kinda dumb. I knew the absolution credits would be a big business, and if one sold immediately after the e-mails were released, one would have made a big profit. Sigh, and I’m still trying to get my brother talked into planting trees on his pasture for an obscene amount.

    Reply:
    So how do we do that. I just clear cut 100 ac to make pasture, sounds like I could make more money planting trees but I do not know the mechanism.

  34. From The Times of India (link to Indian Express isn’t working):
    “They are getting desperate because the world is now serious about moving away from fossil fuels. I want to ask them how much money
    they spent in the operation? Hacking a server is a costly exercise,’’ he said.”

    Choo-choo Pachewy isn’t just grasping at straws, he’s grasping at microfibers (less than one denier). Time to lawyer up, Chooch. Your climate gravy train has jumped the tracks.

  35. New Cap-and-Tax Energy Inflation bill tracker http://bit.ly/8eiwq5
    We have added there a new S. 1733 **Cap-and-Tax Energy Inflation** bill tracker.
    This is what the vacant agreement out of Copenhagen was intended to foster.
    It is the next battle front of Climategate.

  36. I think WUWT has just aimed at the right target. All about him reveals all this dark business and occult relations. It seems to be openly decaying now. Something was rotten in Denmark ideed.

  37. These UN folks aren’t messing around…

    “We have pretty good agreement on short-term, fast-track financial support in the order of $10 billion for the coming three years. When we agree on a politically binding agreement, this will have immediate operational effect, including financial support from next year.

    This financial support will reportedly be ongoing for the life of the treaty.

    So when will the treaty end?

    Can the United States ever get out of it?

    Well, reports from those who have seen the draft treaty indicate that the only way a nation can leave the treaty is if every single other nation agrees.

    Now, if “developing nations” are receiving large payments from the United States every single year, how likely do you think it is for every single one of them to vote to allow the U.S. to leave the treaty?”

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/0000000000001382

  38. There is a local UK flavour here. We have had our Member of Parliament mired in an expenses scandal for most of this year, so we have become somewhat hyper-sensitive to “public servants” perceived to be cashing in on their positions. From this (UK) perspective Mr Pachauri’s position is indefensible, hence Richard North’s bullish phrasing at the end of his “It’s all lies!” thread.

  39. Just spent an hour doing this. I went through the list here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_from_Climate_Change_2007:_The_Physical_Science_Basis

    to find hardly anyone on the following lists have their own entry in the wiki – lead authors no less.

    Many are from Penn or CRU/Hadley/Reading.

    In this list, if there are no credentials mentioned there is no page at Wikipedia. I did very little following up on the individuals beyond checking to see if their wiki page was populated.

    Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis. Lead editors acknowledged at the front of the report-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristen_Averyt Tech Support

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenlin_Chen General Editor

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Manning Tech Support

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Marquis Tech Support

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_LeRoy_Miller,_Jr. Tech Support

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahe_Qin Co-Chair

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Solomon (chemist), Co-Chair, Lead Author, Coordinating Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_M.B._Tignor Tech Support

    Summary for Policy Makers-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Alley (geologist), Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Arblaster Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terje_Berntsen Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_L._Bindoff Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Brasseur Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenlin_Chen Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnat_Chidthaisong Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Hesselbjerg_Christensen Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_L._Denman Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_W._Fahey Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Forster Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Friedlingstein Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_M._Gregory Modeller, Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_C._Hegerl Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heimann Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Hewitson Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_J._Hoskins Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eystein_Jansen Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Jones BA (environmental sciences), MSc and PhD, (field not mentioned), Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortunat_Joos Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Jouzel (chemical engineer), IPCC vice president since 2002, Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kattsov Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reto_Knutti Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lemke_%28scientist%29 Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrike_Lohmann Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Manning Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taroh_Matsuno Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_A._Meehl Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Molina (chemist), Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Mote Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Nicholls Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahe_Qin Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graciela_Raga Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venkatachalam_Ramaswamy Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Randall Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Randall Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilde_Rusticucci Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Solomon (chemist), Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Somerville BS and PhD (meteorology), Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_F._Stocker Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%C3%ADth%C3%AD_A._Stone Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._Stott Lead Author (field not mentioned)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_J._Stouffer Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_E._Trenberth ScD (MIT, field not mentioned), Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Le_Treut Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Whetton Lead Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Willebrand Contributing Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Wood PhD(field not mentioned), Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wratt PhD, (atmospheric physics), Lead Author

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Zwiers Contributing Author

    The entries with parenthesis have their own page, albeit a short one, at Wikipedia. 8 out of 50.

  40. Come on folks, lets not jump to conclusions. Lets have a forensic accountant go over his financial dealings, review his emails, phone calls, etc. Perhaps in his outrage, he will volunteer all this (and the transactions of his family, associates and friends) and then the Telegraph will fornally apologize.

  41. While my comment is fished out of the spam filter for gross urling ;-)

    P Wilson (10:58:09) :

    Smokey (10:28:44) :

    certainly no one from the UK voted for Gordon Brown as PM.

    Smokey – no one in the history of “The Mother of all Parliaments” has ever voted for the Prime Minister. The public vote for a party who then choose their leader.

    Anyone who believes “Dave” will be PM if the Tories get in at the next general election is dreaming out loud IMHO.

  42. Whatever happened to avoiding even the appearance of a conflict of interest? Oh yeah, this is the UN we’re talking about. Sorry, my bad.

  43. It would be interesting to know the actual flowsheet of “personalities” involved in this so an innocent enterprise. Who is the “chairman of the board”?

  44. OT: but from the ‘odd what you find in the internet department’ – it turns out that Pachauri plays women’s cricket:

    Took wicket number 150 in Feb 2002 while playing an exhibition match against the Indian women’s cricket team at ‘The Eco-Friendly RETREAT Trophy’ in 2002.

    http://www.rkpachauri.org/cricket.php

    With graceful visual imagery here:

    http://www.rkpachauri.org/cricket_moments.php

    How could such a charming eccentric be on the take?

    One can’t help but wonder if news will soon leak that the CRU team’s main interest was actually in Morris dancing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_dance – sadly this page has not yet been deleted)

  45. MikeE (09:55:00) :

    “http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2009/dec/21/eurostar-problems-explained

    Similar to the excuses trotted out by the railway companies in the UK in the past, it seems that it was “the wrong kind of snow”.”

    I don’t doubt the explanation is correct. We found out about that problem about 30 years ago in Sweden.

    I think it was Friedrich Hegel who said:

    “The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn anything from history”.

  46. James Sexton (09:54:59) :

    I’m feeling kinda dumb. I knew the absolution credits would be a big business, and if one sold immediately after the e-mails were released, one would have made a big profit.

    Ha, or short ‘em all the way down, finally leading to the leaker…..Geesus! “Soros, you magnificant bastard!” He’s done it again! Turning disaster into profit – what a man!

    Next stop, Gore’s Generation Management with General Electric and NBC, and don’t forget the Currencies. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been loading up on Big Oil at the same time or even buying up whole oil fields themselves!

    Another Mann made disaster self indeed./tongue just barely in cheek

  47. Oh dear lord. Is there not a single honest, even if misguided, person amongst the warmist cabal? Just one that can say, when this mess collapses….that they honestly believed they were doing the right thing but were mistaken? *shakes head*

  48. My dictionary (New Shorter OED, 1997) tells me ‘thug’ is an Indian word, meaning a cheat or swindler in Hindi.

  49. Has there been any political debate about the science of climate change in any Parliament or congress?
    20 odd years ago a few scientists put forward the theory of AGW and over time most politicians have taken it as a given.
    Yes, they all debate what to do about it, but not whether it is true or even if it is less dangerous than converting to a carbon free society.
    The closest a sceptical politician will get to expressing an opinion is in a vote about Cap&trade for instance.
    That is like only having a vote on what size your handcuffs will be.
    We need a full and open political debate on the science followed by national referendums.
    Put your money where your mouth is, as Al Gore would say.

  50. Gail Combs (10:58:34) :

    James Sexton (09:54:59) :

    I’m feeling kinda dumb. I knew the absolution credits would be a big business, and if one sold immediately after the e-mails were released, one would have made a big profit. Sigh, and I’m still trying to get my brother talked into planting trees on his pasture for an obscene amount.

    Reply:
    So how do we do that. I just clear cut 100 ac to make pasture, sounds like I could make more money planting trees but I do not know the mechanism.

    Reply
    lol, I’m not really sure. One could just make a website and go with it. (P.T. Barnum style) I’m sure you could plug on some of the AGW websites and make a go of it. Or, if your in the states, the feds are actually paying people to keep certain trees. Perhaps you can plant them and have them give you money for not plowing them up. That way, you could “double dip” as it were. But you should always use caution when accepting money from the govt. There is almost always “strings” attached. While this may not be entirely ethical, there is an appeal to scam the scammers.

  51. The Stern Review is one of the most influential documents quoted by “World Leaders.”

    http://www.ideacarbon.com/advisors/index.htm

    Lord Nicholas Stern,
    Advisor to IDEAglobal Group, parent company of IDEAcarbon. Lord Stern has declared this interest, in the House of Lords Register of interests……so that’s alright then

    Dr. Samuel Fankhauser is a Principal Research Fellow at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change at the London School of Economics, headed by Stern. He also serves as Chief Economist at Globe International, the international legislator forum.

    He just happens to be a member of the UK climate change committee and sub-committee on mitigation, (ie Carbon trading).

    In 2007/08, Fankhauser was Managing Director at IDEAcarbon:

    IDEAcarbon’s premier strategic advice service has been created to give senior decision makers tailored intelligence about key developments in climate change policy and the evolution of the carbon markets.

    Globe International: http://www.globeinternational.org/ check out the talking heads…

    http://www.globeinternational.org/content.php?id=7:48:0:0:0 President and Chairman of the Board, Stephen Byers MP, close friend of Tony Blair.

    Meanwhile it’s getting quite cold:

    http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/Summary/current_sum.html

    McGrath recorded a record low temperature of -38 on the 20th, surpassing the old low by 3°F. King Salmon recorded three consecutive record low temperatures this month on the 17th, 18th, and 19th, of -20°F, -8°F and -12°F; the previous records were -12°F, -7°F, and -11°F respectively. Kodiak observed a record low on the 17th of 15°F, the old record being 16°F. Valdez also had a new record low temperature on the 20th of 8°F, the old record was 9°F.

  52. Maurice Strong is the real puppet master behind this whole swindle. He pretty much created the relevant UN institutions including the UNEP and the IPCC. He organized the first Stockholm conference, Rio, etc.. The number of people he has placed in various institutions like WWF and like organizations is staggering and helps create the myth of “consensus”. Pachauri himself is a Strong creation. Ask yourself, why is an Indian railroad engineer in charge of the most influential climate organization in the world? Because Maurice Strong wanted him there, that’s why.

    The amount of money Pachauri stands to make if this scam goes through pales in comparison to the amount of money Strong will make. Among his many AGW business interests, Strong sits on the boards of a couple carbon exchanges including the Chicago exchange. Interestingly enough, when the Chicago Exchange was just getting started it received a grant from the Joyce Foundation. Sitting on the board of that Chicago foundation was an obscure state senator from Chicago, one Barack Obama.

    I’m sure that was just a coincidence too.

  53. Our presidents have to divest of business interest holdings that could stand to profit from the President simply because he/she is president. You don’t even have to wait to see if the businesses profit. They never get the chance while the prez is in office. Sorry climate guru. By your own words, your payments enrich your businesses, nonprofit or otherwise. Divest, else something is rotten in Denmark and it ain’t snow OR ice.

  54. Indiana Bones (10:03:37) :

    “One must wonder, does the UN/IPCC have any kind of ethics guidelines for employees?? How long would a U.S. Politician with similar business interests last? Or any politician in any but the most bought and paid for country? True fiction is unbelievable!…

    I hate to tell you but U.S. Politicians have been busy committing treason and murder – knowingly for years.

    Bill Clinton had Dan Amstutz (VP of Cargill), Robert Shapiro (CEO of Monsanto) and Mike Taylor (Monsanto) in key parts of his administration when he ratified WTO. Amstutz wrote the Agreement on Ag which lead to this: The Festering Fraud Behind Food Safety Reform

    “Readers of the New York Times were recently treated to a rarely glimpsed view of how the globally-sourced industrial food complex assembles the raw ingredients of the omnipresent hamburger…Moss’s article tracing the processing history of the E.coli-contaminated hamburger consumed by Stephanie Smith, .. Moss uncovers how the company failed to follow its own safety plans without facing any interference from the USDA until someone got very, very sick.

    However, the article leaves out critical information from its analysis that would help us understand why so much is wrong with the meat inspection process today… if we don’t gain a fuller understanding of how and why the meat industry’s inspection process became an essentially unregulated, privatized affair, we are likely to repeat the same mistake and allow Congress to pass food “safety” legislation that will serve to make the world a safer place for the cartels controlling the global produce trade but do nothing at all for the safety of our food supply…” http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2009/12/the-festering-fraud-behind-food-safety-reform/index.html

    John Munsell tried for two years to get action against a large meat packer that shipped him contaminated meat. He contacted the USDA, his congressman, the media and even a liability lawyer. The USDA and Congress ignored the problem until the death of a woman forced them to investigate. However despite a Congressional Investigation of this incident and another of the Hallmark plant inhumane practices, Congressman Waxman’s “Food Folly” bill specifically instructs the practices (HACCP) leading to the poisoning and deaths of Americans are to be left intact while small food businesses and farmers are saddled with regulations specifically designed to drive them out of business.

    Control of our Energy and our food supply are linked and the threads all lead back to the UN and eventually to the same multi-billionaires. 80% of the world food supply is now controlled by ten corporations and about half are privately owned.

    “Ten corporations now control nearly every aspect of the world’s food chain. Four control 90 per cent of the world’s exports of corn, wheat, tobacco, tea, pineapple, jute and forest products. “ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1997/jun/20/johnvidal

    Here is an in-depth analysis: http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=2628

    The big corporations and bankers are running this world not the voters. Now they have decided to take the gloves off and remove the “appearance” of democracy and freedom, first by using “free trade” – WTO & NAFTA, and global warming to implement a world government and after that control of our food and energy supplies.

    I hope we can wake people up to the imminent danger but the media and the politicians are not in our control and I am afraid we are destined to learn from our mistakes the hard way just as Germany did. Only this time there will be no USA and Great Britain to safe us.

  55. Despite the fact that a large portion of the world seems to be following this farce off the cliff, it’s still amazing to me that even a fraction of this information about Pachauri wold not bring this entire scheme to the ground.

    Independent of the science itself, the conflict of interest here is so vast, grotesque, and obvious, that I have little faith in where this planet is heading with regard to “world governance.”

    Crooked to the core.

  56. Jack in Oregon (10:14:24) :

    Check out Gordon Browns quote…

    The UN’s consensual method of negotiation, which requires all 192 countries to reach agreement, needs to be reformed to ensure that the will of the majority prevails, he feels.

    The Prime Minister will say: “Never again should we face the deadlock that threatened to pull down those talks. Never again should we let a global deal to move towards a greener future be held to ransom by only a handful of countries. One of the frustrations for me was the lack of a global body with the sole responsibility for environmental stewardship.

    “I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions to meet the common challenges we face as a global community.” The summit failed to produce a political agreement among all the countries. Delegates instead passed a motion on Saturday “taking note” of an accord drawn up the night before by five countries: the US, China, India, Brazil and South Africa.

    Despite being the first world leader to join the summit, Mr Brown was excluded from the key meeting where the compromise was decided.

    The fellow is deranged. Sound and fury (his favourite method) signifying nothing.

    Message to G Brown from a voter:

    ………..* off.

    * Supply your own word from the usual list. Now or at the next election (he probably doesn’t want one of those).

  57. The UN is the “black hole of coruption” and we are being sucked into it by a bunch of world leaders intent on creating a one world government with them in charge. As someone pointed out, the opportunities for graft are infinit. I don’t believe that all the world leaders are stupid. I do believe they are opportunists and see a great source of taxes and therefor power.

  58. It reminds me of those business channels where some analyst comes on and advises everybody to buy a particular stock. You just know he has bought the stock himself and when the public buys the price will rise and he will sell before the price falls back again.

  59. I saw a good headline in the Grauniad too. (paraphrased)

    Miliband condemns China for destroying his fantasies.

    China trembles. He he.

  60. TATA and Indian company that had purchased the British Steel industry only a few years ago…

    A few years…? more like a few hundred days. /They bought Corus in Jan 2007.

    Pachauri is the holy man of this vast subterranean network of ‘business’ entrepeneurs in India who are cashing in, as we speak, in the carbon market, i.e., in making something from nothing. His connections lead nowhere but extend everywhere. He absorbs climate criticism like a sponge because you cannot trace either climate activism or climate science back to him. As an example, how much would you hold GW Bush responsible for intelligence failure during the Iraq war (pardon the unfortunate pun)? A lot of people believe Pachauri won the Nobel prize.

    I do not however feel that TERI is cooking the books behind its CO2 smokescreen to hide fund transfers to Pachauri. Its opaque accounting practices are probably so, simply because that is the norm with many Indian companies. Auditing standards are dismally low in many Indian NGOs and TERI is most probably no exception.

    Pachauri should reveal his accounting practices and revenue fully, instead of name-calling those who question his very questionable connections.

  61. JackStraw (11:58:43) : …and that guy now lives in China. Which is the target he is aiming to?. Dangerous, because all this global warming/climate change it is only the disguise. But if falls there in disgrace or in inconvenience…head out!

  62. China also took note of the corruption endemic in Europe’s [cap-and-trade] system

    It has long been considered that the US was the target of this massive redistribution of wealth, but for a moment, consider the case that over time the biggest “target” of this scheme turned out to be China … and China wanted no part of it.
    The irony of communist China being against “wealth redistribution” is just so far out there.

  63. @ Allan M (12:17:56) :

    “I saw a good headline in the Grauniad too. (paraphrased)

    Miliband condemns China for destroying his fantasies.

    China trembles. He he.”

    ROTFL…sums up the little twat well.

  64. Lets see now
    1.The Chairman of the IPCC has his hand in the till and many conflicts of interest— which Governments and authorities around the world all turn a blind eye to.
    2.He receives an Honorary docorate from the University of East anglia (UEA).
    3.The UEA’s CRU is responsible for the climate science input to the IPCC,chaired by the same money maker.
    4. The CRU head has been stood down pending an investigation into what has been going on amid claims that he may have been involved in improper scientific practices,bullying, financial fiddles, corrupting the Peer Review process, and data fiddling. etc etc
    5.Climategate gate shows that his colleagues in other countries are also complicit, and involved in the creation of famous hockey stick corruption of the science–which became the rallying cry of the the Chairman as he sold the game around the world-and built up his investments with the money men.
    6.Other scientists in other institutions remain silent and go along wih the game.
    7. The money men who are mainly those same bright young things who brought us the GFC see another scam in the offering and cant wait to get going with carbon trading–so they exert pressure wherever they can on the political system
    8.The publically funded scientists involved are now found to complict in the corruption of the temperature data bases used,which helps feed the cause.–and they can see gravy train as well so they fight tooth and nail for the game

    9.Meanwhile the Chairman and his mate Big Al, continue to prosper and grow their asset bases at our expense, with us mug punters having been sold a pup by a bunch of crooks.

    10. The dopey dogooders have a gab fest and agree that they should continue to spend up big solving a problem the Chairman and his mate Big Al created in the first place but which the proper science might say is a beat up ..if they were allowed to be heard.

    Is that a fair assessment.?

    One final question. If climate change means both natural and anthroprogenic and we are going to spend trillions reducing one when it is in parallel being affected by the other.How will we ever know when the job is done, or does it just go on for ever.

    This is the grandest scam of them all –why didnt I think of it.

  65. The people who are supposed to protect democracy are the “free press” and their abject failure to do so is shameful.
    One day it will rebound on them….badly.

  66. OT: As we are in the days of “El Nino” (around christmas, when the “child” is born), does anybody see any el nino here?:

    Nice chilling christmas and frozen new year!

  67. How to make money selling carbon credits?

    1. Harvest some forest and sell the wood as biomass (bio-fuel).

    2. Sell the right to have new trees planted in somebody’s name.

    3. To really make money, charge for each seed planted, not for each tree that actually grows to maturity.

    4. To supplement your income:

    _ Pledge to not take trips in an SUV (assuming you don’t already own one, unless it’s a hybrid). Sorry, don’t pledge this, sell it as an offset. (“For $50 month, I will drive a Prius and not a Hummer in your name.”)

    _ Sell not taking a private jet when you travel. Since you are not doing it, somebody else is free to do so. Sell not flying first class, etc., etc..

    _ Hire people who are already home-bound. Since they aren’t commuting, you sell the right to their commuter miles and the carbon they would burn if they did work and if they drove at least the average amount of commuter miles per year, etc.

    The key is to pay yourself a large stipend as administrator of the fund. Be sure to keep your private money seperate, but also be sure that everywhere you go, every trip you take has some activity related to the fund so you can write that off or claim credit for it.

    Make it a not-for-profit if you can.

    It’s easy!

  68. Simple solution:

    Before anyone in receipt of any taxpayer-funded resources is allowed to collect, analyze and/or draw/publish conclusions about weather or climate, whether with respect to proxy or historically recorded data ….

    AND

    Before any politician, public servant/government appointee or special interest group head is permitted to make any pronouncement committing or demanding further taxpayer resources …

    S/he shall be hooked up to a polygraph – and the results made public – to establish whether s/he has ANY monetary interest in the outcome of said pronouncement or conclusion.

    A cheap process at 1/100th of the cost of what appears to be the monies ready to be thrown at the issues coming out of Copenhagen!

    There was an old Johnny Carson skit to this effect; it involved electricity, a zapper and a loud buzzer.

  69. Got to love how Richard North Signs off from his Pachauri blog…

    “Up yours, Pachauri, you are a thief as well as a liar.”

    Jeez I laughed :) Great to read a blog with the courage of their convictions.

    Cheers

    Michael

  70. John Galt (12:44:54) : Don’t be naive. They don’t expect anybody to plant trees or whatever, they will give you US$3 per hectare/year as carbon credit in exchange of a signed paper from you. You’ll never see them again in your life until someone else comes to throw you off from your land and send you to a labours’ camp, where you will be generously supplied with a daily ration of “soma” (kool-aid like) which will make you feel happy while you work.
    Merry Christmas!

  71. Polar Bears and BBQ Sauce (11:26:39) : Wrote

    “Repower America is requesting your photo and message on their “Wall” of believers right now. you may want to go there and state your opinion. It helps to post a photo. http://www.repoweramerica.org/wall/#

    I got my naked cowboy picture right in the middle, but they cut the top and the bottom. If someone else wants to re upload it, you probably have to crop the bottom off.

  72. Another model prediction to add to the scare:

    Global Warming Likely to Be Amplified by Slow Changes to Earth Systems, Geologists Say

    ScienceDaily (Dec. 21, 2009) — The kinds of increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide taking place today could have a significantly larger effect on global temperatures than previously thought, according to a new study led by Yale University geologists.

    and why would this model be superior and more credible than the others??

  73. “The accusations, published in the The Sunday Telegraph, were coming from the same group of people who had tried unsuccessfully to discredit the IPCC and the “irrefutable science” on climate change by hacking personal emails of some scientists a few weeks ago, Pachauri said.

    I note that Dr. Pachauri doesn’t contest or answer the accusations, but rather just deflects them by saying they were made by “the same group.”

    It would be interesting to know exactly what the “irrefutable science” is. Maybe he is referring to some [magical] “science” which has no falsifiability test, and which, therefore, is not science at all.

    Reply: Ok, I’m no fan of Pachauri, but you might want to at least read the linked articles before you make uninformed statements such as:

    I note that Dr. Pachauri doesn’t contest or answer the accusations, but rather just deflects them by saying they were made by “the same group.”

    Seriously, can we raise the discussion bar please? ~ ctm

  74. Another way of looking at this is it’s like insider trading. Al Gore and the rest should be charged with insider trading once carbon trading becomes popular.

  75. Pachauri and others keep saying there is irrefutable science on climate change. This is the most important aspect of the whole issue. If the evidence really did exists we wouldn’t be having all this fuss and argument. Given the debate is still alive, it proves there is no such evidence. I’ve yet to see any real evidence anyway to discuss. So, the debate continues until we are presented with the irrefutable science.

  76. Someone asked if Phil Jones and Michael Mann have any large financial interests in IPCC related carbon schemes.

    I suspect the answer is “No”. These guys are scientists, immersed in something much bigger and better than money, their self importance, hailed as visionary scientists, celebrities in their own right.

    But really, they were just pawns in the whole affair. A group of fundamentalist scientists strapped to the ideology that the planet was at tipping point, whether it be through rising temperatures, over population, over consumption or a combination of all three.

    The cap and traders grasped this fatalism from the beginning, promoting them, and their deluded ideology, elevating Jones, Mann & others to positions as celebrity scientists, to do the dirty work needed for Cap and Trade(mann made global warming). In the new elevated positions as saviors of the world, the scientists adjusted the science to comply with their own settled science. As celebritydom loomed larger, so to did their arrogance and contempt for others who did not follow the mantra.

    It just took the likes of Pachauri, Gore, other financiers, charlatans to tap into the God delusion disorder of the scientists.

    Mann and Jones were always going to be disposable. Throw the scientist to the lions, suggest better methods for future peer reviews, who cares, job complete for the cap and traders.

  77. Kickbacks and bribes. The only business model for the U.N.

    Who will investigate? I miss President Bush.

  78. The U.N. top brass named Pachauri
    Found a rotten old fish in his dowry
    In the Indian Express
    He exclaimed in distress
    “That stink is not me it’s the cowry!”

  79. I thought there was no such a thing as “Irrefutable science”, I’ll have to go back to college or maybe I’ll just forget everything, and live happly ignorant forever after.

  80. JackStraw (11:58:43) : …and that guy now lives in China. Which is the target he is aiming to?

    Yes and Strong is all set to divert what is left of the wealth in the USA, Canada and the EU into making China the new world power. He is now an Advisor to China and Living in Beijing.
    And who does Maurice Strong work for in Beijing? CH2M Hill.
    CH2M Hill, 1946 in Corvallis, Oregon, is “an employee-owned, multinational firm providing engineering, construction, operations and related services to public and private clients in numerous industries on six continents. CH2M HILL offers integrated services that help …”

    Strong’s cousin, Anna Louise Strong, was a Marxist, and a member of the Comintern. She spent two years with Mao and Chou En-lai. Her was burial in China in 1970 was personally organized by Chou En-lai. Strong visited China to persuade them to participate in the critical 1972 Stockholm Conference. The Chinese had not appeared at any U.N. function since the 1949 revolution. Strong was well received by the Chinese who took Strong to visit the grave of his cousin.

  81. Smokey (10:28:44) :

    …Gordon Browns quote . . .
    “I believe that in 2010 we will need to look at reforming our international institutions.”

    Question: Who elected Gordon Brown?

    No-one elected the Broon, we just sort of inherited him.

    But anyway Smokey, he’s right!
    We do need to reform our international institutions.
    Just not in the way he had in mind.

  82. My Chrysler dealership is closed
    Our family lost Cadillac and Pontiac\\Let me check out Rickshaws. Got to be a hot car line.

    The EPA will not dare reject the Rickshaws for our standards.

  83. Steve (12:11:28) :

    “Despite the fact that a large portion of the world seems to be following this farce off the cliff, it’s still amazing to me that even a fraction of this information about Pachauri wold not bring this entire scheme to the ground….”

    Steve I have asked socialist friends about this. I have pointed out that AGW is a scam devised to lead to Global Governance and they are all for it. They WANT to be come “good Global citizens” The brainwashing is much deeper than just AGW.

    Here is a Chronology of Education showing how education has become twisted

    http://www.crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/Chronology.htm

    And yes I know the site has religious overtones, it does not mean the information is invalid. The fight for our freedom makes for strange bedfellows.

  84. Vincent (10:33:35) :

    Richard Nehring (09:52:34) :

    “It’s not a matter of putting their money where their mouth is; it’s a matter of putting their mouth where their money is!”

    No doubt true, but I believe Tim’s comment was meant as an allusion to Maurice Strong’s reply to a similar question on the Fox documentary. When the interviewer suggested that as Strong was a director of the Chicago Exchange, he stood to make a lot of money on emissions trading. His reply was as brilliant as it was mendacious – he was just putting his money where his mouth is.

    It seems that one of the reasons that Maurice Strong lives in Beijing is that they do not have an extradition treaty with the USA or Canada. The authorities there wish to ask him some serious questions about the oil-for-food program and its misuse.

    So whose money is he putting where his mouth is?

  85. These UN poobahs are uniformly corrupt. Recall Kofi Annan as his huge family profits from the “Oil for Food” swindle.

  86. Gail Combs (15:24:11) :
    Strong is all set to divert what is left of the wealth in the USA, Canada and the EU into making China the new world power.

    Oh c’mon. Do you think he sits in a pagoda over there stroking a white cat and summarily executing minions or something?

  87. ‘certainly no one from the UK voted for Gordon Brown as PM.

    Smokey – no one in the history of “The Mother of all Parliaments” has ever voted for the Prime Minister. The public vote for a party who then choose their leader.’
    Voters in the UK choose a party AND a leader simultaneously, as all parties go into elections with their best leader already in situ. Increasingly the personality of the leader plays hugely with the intentions of the voter; a non-charismatic, glum, hardly articulate lump is an albatross about the neck of any party. Now we are to have Presidential-style leader debates for the three main parties on BBC, ITV and Sky. Don’t tell me or anyone else in the UK that we don’t elect leaders on the basis of how they appear in the media and that this does not massively sway where the voter puts his or her cross.

  88. I propose a new rule: Pachauri is now officially nicknamed Patchouli

    …and speaking of Wiki-hacking, call it a hunch but I’m betting someone snuck this in as a joke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchouli#Uses):

    “In Europe and the US, patchouli oil and incense underwent a surge in popularity in the 1960s and 1970s.
    It is also widely worn by gypsies and hippies. This has lead to much ridicule and humilation in society today. Most of which is well deserved. Slay the Beast.”

  89. Pachauri claims:

    “Every single payment that I receive goes to my organization (TERI) which is non-profit organization.

    I have no doubt that his assertion is true. TERI probably is non profit, after Pachauri extracts his millions in salary and dividends.

  90. Peter of Sydney (13:42:24) :

    “Another way of looking at this is it’s like insider trading. Al Gore and the rest should be charged with insider trading once carbon trading becomes popular.”

    One wonders if they are already looking for ways to … uh … hide this decline:

    Carbon Prices No Likee Copenhagen Result

    “Not only world leaders, United Nations delegates and environmentalists were disappointed in the weak accord reached in the 11th hour of the Copenhagen climate talks — the markets for carbon allowances didn’t like the deal either. Bloomberg is reporting that on the first day of trading since the accord announcement, European and UN carbon prices have seen their biggest drop since February because of the vague and unsubstantial outcome.

    [...]

    [...] European Union carbon-dioxide allowances declined as much as 8.7 percent on the European Climate Exchange in London, and the UN’s Certified Emission Reductions credits fell as much 7 percent, the most since Feb. 20.

    [...]

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/earth2tech/~3/DALZeLjflyQ

  91. You must read the full Telegraph article! Part of it says :

    “Under the CDM [Clean Development Mechanism], firms and consumers in the developed world pay for the right to exceed their ‘carbon limits’ by buying certificates from those firms in countries such as India and China which rack up ‘carbon credits’ for every renewable energy source they develop – or by showing that they have in some way reduced their own ‘carbon emissions’.

    It is one of these deals, reported in last week’s Sunday Telegraph, which is enabling Tata to transfer three million tonnes of steel production from its Corus plant in Redcar [UK] to a new plant in Orissa [India], thus gaining a potential £1.2 billion in ‘carbon credits’ (and putting 1,700 people on Teesside out of work).”

    With this kind of return I would expect all high CO2 industries to be transferred from Europe to the developing world, and from the US once cap and trade gets going.

  92. Is someone in the UK clever enough to organise a blog to inform the steel workers of Redcar about Pachauri’s influence in the relocation of steel production to India and about his pivotal role in so many different pies. The Sunday Telegraph has a limited readership. On-line communications decided the Xmas no. ‘1’ record so it must be possible. Sadly, I’m an old Luddite barely computer literate otherwise I’d do it myself. Aiming at the money trail is the way to go; people understand that and are fully primed after our MPs expenses revelations. I suspect the scientists involved are the victims of hubris, but behind them stands money. The UK teaching of science, in general, is so poor that very few have the slightest grasp of any technical detail.

  93. We need a whistleblower in Pachauri’s entourage to release his emails and business dealings. We need transpararency. Maybe someone should offer a substantial monetary prize for any whistleblower that exposes the lies of the AGW industry. Any rich skeptic reading WUWT, please do your part.

  94. Vincent (10:33:35) :

    “…It seems that one of the reasons that Maurice Strong lives in Beijing is that they do not have an extradition treaty with the USA or Canada. The authorities there wish to ask him some serious questions about the oil-for-food program and its misuse…”

    Yes, Maurice Strong, has some rather unethical business dealings in his back ground. Strong had a history as a swindler long before his involvement with the oil-for-food program or Obama, Gore and the Chicago Climate Exchange. Strong has also been caught up insider trading scams such as the AZL Resources Lawsuit in a business deal with Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashogg (Iran-Contra Affair) and the Molten Metal Inc swindle involving Al Gore, The First Earth Day, tax payer money, lawsuits and a House Committee Investigation.

    There is even alleged lawsuits tying Al Gore and Strong to the development of a new type of saboteur bomb!

    “…. belief Gore hired Canadian privy councilors in 1994 to develop molten-metal bomb, hot enough to demolish steel-framed building or vaporize evidence of murder, arson and reinsurance frauds.” http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/cin-moltenmetalmurder.htm

    Adnan Khashogg is another one worth doing a search on… if you can stomach reading about him.

    If half of what is written about these people is true the cess pool is really deep.

  95. tallbloke (15:54:58) :

    Gail Combs (15:24:11) :
    Strong is all set to divert what is left of the wealth in the USA, Canada and the EU into making China the new world power.

    Oh c’mon. Do you think he sits in a pagoda over there stroking a white cat and summarily executing minions or something?

    Reply:
    No of course not. That is what he has his UN, World bank, Club of Rome, Comission on Global Governance… connections and most importantly his army of NGO activists for. This guy has been working on this since 1970, do you really think he doesn’t have all his pawns in place by now?? Do you think he is in this alone? Check out his connections and preparations before you dismiss this viper.

  96. tallbloke
    I realize I did not make myself clear.

    Strong, Gore and Obama have a finger in the carbon trade through “Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) – North America’s only cap and trade system” He has the ear of the Chinese government as their chief environmental advisor AND he works for an international engineering and Construction firm, CH2M Hill.

    Also Strong is an advisor to the World Bank and was/is a chief advisor to the UN and somewhere in this mess- the leaked “Denmark papers” – the World Bank was going to be put in charge of the moneys headed for “developing nations”

    So my dollars go to the Chicago Climate Exchange then to the World Bank then to the Chinese government and then to CH2M Hill to build China’s new factories. Notice Strong has a finger in every pie along the chain.

  97. This is an interesting line in Richard’s blog that some may have missed: “he is booking his business expenses to the IPCC. And yes, I do have the evidence.”

    Pachauri will not sue. He daren’t.

  98. “Reply: Ok, I’m no fan of Pachauri, but you might want to at least read the linked articles before you make uninformed statements such as:

    I note that Dr. Pachauri doesn’t contest or answer the accusations, but rather just deflects them by saying they were made by “the same group.”

    Seriously, can we raise the discussion bar please? ~ ctm”

    Fair enough; somehow I missed the links.

  99. The people who have flung these charges are part of the same vested interest group which hacked the server of UK’s East Anglia University. They are getting desperate because the world is now serious about moving away from fossil fuels. I want to ask them how much money they spent in the operation? Hacking a server is a costly exercise

    I have seen a lot of conspiracy theories thrown around when it comes to AGW but this is a classic. Quite a change of heart in just a few weeks.

    [BBC]The head of the UN’s climate science body says claims that UK scientists manipulated data on global warming should be investigated.

    So now it’s all just part of a shadowy conspiracy to expose rotten science and identify the snouts in the trough.

    What a tangled web we weave… Eh Raj?

    Jack in Oregon (10:14:24) :
    All very “Yes Minister”.
    If at first you don’t succeed… rig the game.

  100. I have no idea if Dr. Pachauri personally profits from his associations, and it doesn’t matter anyway. If he were motivated by fanatacism, that’s not any better than being motivated by greed. I wouldn’t want to casually throw around accusations about the man. What is important is that he is likely wrong, not who’s paying him.

    I do find it interesting that he felt the need to put “irrefutable science” in quotes.

  101. Pachauri should have a side heart to heart with big Al and tell him about becoming a vegetarian to save the planet.

  102. I don’t think Pachauri is truly desperate just yet.

    If he was he would be playing the racist card and he has not done so yet from the links I have perused.

    I am happy to be corrected here.

    The Indian cricket board/team/fans have been using it for years.

    If the UK/Australia/New Zealand cricket board/team/fans question your behaviour, scream RACIST! and you are now the victim.

  103. Gail Combs (17:45:30) :
    So my dollars go to the Chicago Climate Exchange then to the World Bank then to the Chinese government and then to CH2M Hill to build China’s new factories. Notice Strong has a finger in every pie along the chain.

    First you have to send money to the CCE. That seems to be a dimming proposition given the collapse of carbon prices and scandal. However you make a good point re the China chain of corruption – which is China’s Achilles heel and predicts their future:

    http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1963

  104. Where are the cries he is in the pay of big oil.

    “These outfits include banks, oil and energy companies “

  105. Bob Boulton,

    “With this kind of return I would expect all high CO2 industries to be transferred from Europe to the developing world, and from the US once cap and trade gets going.”

    That’s part of the plan, isn’t it – to cut back carbon emissions. At this rate Britain will soon be on target to meet the self imposed 20% reductions by 2020. I bet the champagne corks are already popping in Downing street.

  106. I am still amazed how anyone with any scientific knowledge at all can claim irrefutable science.

    There is no such thing, science is always refutable and it is this religeous belief in the science that is preventing them seeing most of the science is refuted as soon as they actually allow open access to data and methods so that any flaws can be seen.

    As a computer programmer with some Astrophysics courses behind me, I know how easy it is to overlook a tiny detail or make an assumption on something that is only then shown to be faulty once many people have had hands and eyes on the end to end system and code.

  107. Moderator, et alii, I had a post removed and replaced with:

    Karl Maki (09:23:46) :

    [pointless religious bashing ~ ctm]

    In the post I compared Pachauri’s enriching himself as reported in this story to the Catholic Church’s sale of indulgences. My intention was to draw a parallel between the actions of Pachauri and the Catholic Church of the late Middle Ages, which saw fantastic and unrestrained profiteering through the sale of papal indulgences. By implication, I was suggesting that certain prophets of Global Warming doom have turned climate science into no more than a cynical, self-serving religion.

    My intent was certainly not to suggest the Catholic Church of today is guilty of any such pursuits — I did not, in fact, even realize indulgences were still granted by the Church — and I apologize to any who perceived my comment thus.

    Thanks!

  108. Dr Anthony Fallone (15:57:24) :

    “Don’t tell me or anyone else in the UK that we don’t elect leaders on the basis of how they appear in the media and that this does not massively sway where the voter puts his or her cross.”

    This was not Smokey you were at contretemps with. It was I, a UK citizen.

    This may be the first UK “election” where the point you make has some effect.

    The public do not vote for the Prime Minister. The public can only vote for their local Member of Parliament. The party chooses its leader. The twain shall meet at one point, the juncture where only an MP can become PM. It may well be that charisma is an asset, the reason for a vacillating Joe Public to swap allegiance or even a preferred attribute, but it is not the lone factor when a leader is chosen by their party, or retained, when they gain power.

    I will make a WAG here, David Cameron will survive as leader of the Conservative party, and by definition Prime Minister, for about 6 months if the Tories are called to power. He is not the true face of Conservativism, but he may well be the face deemed necessary to gain power and was put in place to do just that. Another waits quietly to step forward who will be very much less “caring and sharing” than “Dave” appears currently.

    If voting could change anything it would swiftly be made illegal.

    It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government gets in.

  109. Indiana Bones (22:54:46) :
    …First you have to send money to the CCE. That seems to be a dimming proposition given the collapse of carbon prices and scandal…..

    I sure hope so but I doubt it. The spin doctors are at work. I do not think public opinion will stop the three takeover bills: Cap n’ Trade, Food Safety Enhancement, and the Health Care bil,l all of which have already passed the house.

    Too much time and effort has been put into getting the bills to where they are now and those behind the scenes pulling the political strings are not about to let the politicians waffle on these bills. If someone pulls the plug on you donations you will not get elected and that is a much bigger lever than public opinion. Ever notice how many lawyers/law firms donate to election funds? Or how many “house wifes and retirees”? Or how much money candidates receive in corporate PAC or “soft money”? For example, Goldman Sachs donated $994,795 to Obama last year according to opensecrets.org Who knows how much else was donated through less transparent means such as through law firms.

  110. All the scares, manipulation of the media, politicisation of ‘science’, etc. are aimed at keeping the Carbon Market bubble inflated. When it bursts, it will make Madoff look like a choirboys’ picnic.

  111. Someone tell me this isn’t true

    http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/and-so-it

    And so it begins…”The shift happens as the United States backed what amounts to the single biggest transfer of wealth from rich to poor nations for any one cause — in a sense offering compensation for decades of warming the Earth.” – Juliet Eilperin, Washington Post, today
    The deal expected at Copenhagen, highlighted back in May when I released my book Air Con, followed up by Investigate magazine and Lord Monckton before catching fire across the internet, has now come to pass.
    No, it is not yet legally binding. But it will be.
    You see, throughout this torturous process in the Danish capital over the last 14 days, the people pulling the strings have clung to their central core themes: wealth transfer, world governance. Climate was actually a distant third on the priority list.
    Anyone wishing to trace back the longer history need only read Air Con, or any number of UN publications buried deep in the UN website with innocuous names that give no clue to the ambitions contained within their pages.
    Here’s why the US$100 billion wealth transfer is the wedge that will fundamentally overhaul the political landscape of planet earth forever:
    It’s not the amount of money that’s the issue, it is instead the infrastructure required to administer the money and oversee its collection and expenditure. By agreeing to provide a vast sum on money in “climate compensation”, the globalists have automatically created the need for a vast global bureaucracy to administer the programme. How else could it possibly be done?
    And which global agency is perched to implant itself as this massive governance organization? Try this one for size.
    What’s integral to this is what administering this money will do for the UN. Currently, it has an ‘official’ budget of US$4.2 billion a year. I say ‘official’ because in partnership with donor countries the UN administers several billion more each year through the UN Development Programme and similar entities. But let’s go with $4.2 billion for now.
    For US$100 billion a year, you are talking some serious prestige and power for the UN. Assuming 80% of the funding reaches its destination (probably in the Swiss bank accounts of corrupt Third World leaders), that’s still 20% to pay the wages of a vastly increased UN field staff and ‘peacekeeping’ force to protect them as they administer the programme.
    And of course, $100 billion is only a starting point. The UN and the Third World have talked of up to $1 trillion a year in climate adaptation and compensation.
    Barack Obama talks about the ‘mechanism’ to deliver this pool of funds, that it needs to be global but it need not encroach on sovereignty too much. In principle, it won’t at all – that’s because sovereigns make a free will choice to sign and ratify the agreement and its conditions. They’re still sovereign, but like any contract they are required to keep their promise to allow the UN agency access and control over relevant areas if required. Sovereignty in name only.
    The Third World countries are suspicious because, much as they desire the cash, they know the UN will be demanding accountability for the cash, and perhaps even political reform. In this way, the UN hopes to drag the Third World up closer to the level of the First World, and it hopes to be hailed as a hero for modernizing and democratizing the planet, ready for full global government and the end of nation states.
    This is, of course, is already on the UNDP agenda.
    So while others label Copenhagen a “failure”, I suggest you look a little more carefully. This is not really about specific emissions cuts, the bigger game is to sneak the infrastructure in. And there’s every indication they are well on track to succeed on this.
    Posted by iwishart on December 19, 2009 at 08:13 PM |

  112. Conflict of interest, indisputably.

    But this crosses the line into indisputably corrupt practice.

    Seemingly, there is no restriction at the United Nations.

    But it’s worse than that.

    Lord Monckton’s concern about world government.

    It would be run by guys like Pachauri.

    What is this?

    Un-elected world government rulers that own private interests that directly benefit from their “public” actions and policies.

    Some might call it crony capital, but it’s a lot closer to Fascism.

    The state runs private enterprise.

  113. Pachauri’s claiming accusations coming from the same group of people who had tried unsuccessfully to discredit the IPCC and the “irrefutable science” on climate change . . .

    Irrefutable Science ?

    Simply Amazing !

  114. I just noticed the name of the jpg file which is at the top of this article.

    I’m still laughing 5 minutes later :-)

  115. To:
    Henry Galt (03:21:34) :
    ‘This was not Smokey you were at contretemps with. It was I, a UK citizen.’
    I wouldn’t put it as strongly as ‘contretemps’, just a mild disagreement.

    ‘The public do not vote for the Prime Minister. The public can only vote for their local Member of Parliament.’
    Yes, but this is looking at trees and not the forest, Amazon or otherwise. When in the voting booth the local candidates get preferred on the basis of how the voter feels about the policies and the emotional appeal of the party they represent (unless there are some overwhelming local issues which cause atypical choices).
    ‘The party chooses its leader.’
    The basis on which a party chooses its leader largely depends on in which part of the electoral cycle the choice has to be made: midpoint or earlier then policies, intellectual brilliance, past record, approval of peers etc all count; closer to an election the overriding decider is how that leader will attract the voter. If the political party is considered as a living being, that is when its survival instincts come heavily into play.
    This is modern politics in the 21st century. It certainly isn’t how to construct a meritocracy. When I was 14, an incrdibly long time ago, I wrote a ‘Future History’ which at one point predicted that both courts and government would be by a giant computer, as human beings were too irrational to make sensible decisions on how they should be judged or governed. Nothing I have seen over the intervening years has changed my mind. Certainly with the rise of the Church of Global Warming, the latest in a long series of moral panics, I see just more evidence of our intellectual failure.
    As for ‘Call me Dave’ it is perfectly possible, as I have taught my students over the years, that we can present an acceptable persona to whoever it is we wish to impress at a particular time and in a particular context; in changed times and altered position we can tuck that persona away and show another of perhaps many such masks that we possess. This persona may be harsh, stern and ascetic, for times that require it, as they do in the UK today. Mandelson, the lineal descendent of Machiavelli’s ‘The Prince’, shows us how it should be done. CMD is more similar to him than people realise.
    By the way, I thought ‘WAG’ was a footballer’s wife or girlfriend?

  116. Henry Galt,

    “If voting could change anything it would swiftly be made illegal.

    It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government gets in.”

    I don’t think I have ever read such outrageous cynicism. Spot on!

  117. James F. Evans,

    “Un-elected world government rulers that own private interests that directly benefit from their “public” actions and policies.

    Some might call it crony capital, but it’s a lot closer to Fascism.

    The state runs private enterprise.”

    Corruption is in the eye of the beholder. Members of Western democracies are not inclined to accept gladly public servants abusing their power for financial gain. Even within the West, there is a lot of variation, with the US and Britain raising the bar higher than say Italy or Greece. So far, auditors have refused to sign off EU accounts for more than 10 straight years – corruption.

    Once you move into developing countries, the bar is almost at ground level. The public merely shrugs it’s collective shoulders when the Mayor of Moscow diverts lucrative building contracts to a company owned by – his wife. Go even further east, and people are too poor to even care.

    So who in the UN could care less that the head of the IPCC is using his position to enrich himself? “Say what? Ethical standards?” they ask with a puzzled expression.

    That in fact is the UN (and EU) – corrupt from top to bottom, and destined to become even more so.

  118. ‘Vincent (08:55:56) :

    Henry Galt,

    “If voting could change anything it would swiftly be made illegal.

    It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government gets in.”

    I don’t think I have ever read such outrageous cynicism. Spot on!’
    I forgot to agree with both Henry Gault and now Vincent: whatever the persona used by the party leader, the overall image of the ruling party at any one time is just the smiling, fleshy mask over the grinning skull of machine government. Democracy gives the illusion of change; any global government pushed for by people like Gordon Brown will be merely the skull stripped bare and laughing at us all.

  119. Dr Anthony Fallone (08:01:17) :

    Working backwards;

    Wild Arsed Guess ;-)

    The Prince of Darkness. Eloquent, or snarling as the situation dictates. I agree, completely. We could wish that “Dave” has more arrows in his quiver than he appears to, or Mandy actually has, but I somehow doubt it.

    Humanity gets an F in discernment, especially politically ;-)

    Class and peer pressure aside, I agree that the media generally determines the majority in most general elections. Very sad.

    I have hope though. I remember a certain leader getting on his soapbox in a last ditch attempt to throw the election. The public saw through it and returned the Conservatives for the last time, ’til date. The old ploy of “let the opposition in, they will only last one term digging the country out of the muck they inherit and then we get to have a long run” failed them spectacularly. I too am old and cannot remember another occasion when the floating voter thrilled, rather than nauseated me.

    I perceived “an awkward clash” or “a small disagreement that is rather embarrassing” and apologise unreservedly for my failure to add quotes to the post that lead to such.

    Seasons greetings.

  120. Vincent (09:14:09) :

    I wholeheartedly agree with your POV yet temper it with the major point from “The report from Iron Mountain”, uncertain, as I am, of its’ provenance.

    In a world which finds itself unable to transition from war to peace, without (theoretically) crashing the global economy or invoking the war to end all wars, avenues must be found to create and channel regular, vast, profligate waste-

    The war machine itself, as first amongst equals.
    Commercial monopolies.
    A constant stream of economic bubbles that inevitably burst.
    Gigantic political machinery.
    Government bonds.
    Bailouts.
    … etcetera.

    Money makes our world go around.

  121. From eureferendum is this,

    http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/290167/

    It appears that Pachauri has been trouble for lying and giving false information in the Indian Courts. Not once but as a carrier, Judges verdict ;” he is a deceitful liar” Perhaps … ‘Indian Railway Engineers’ and, or, Con men ? would be a good tittle.

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