CNN’s Campbell Brown & John Roberts with Chris Horner, Stephen McIntyre, Michael Oppenheimer.
Part 1
Part 2 below:
Discover more from Watts Up With That?
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
CNN’s Campbell Brown & John Roberts with Chris Horner, Stephen McIntyre, Michael Oppenheimer.
Part 1
Part 2 below:
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
I love how they have included John Roberts who has been investigating this – some of remember John Roberts when he was a VJ with Much Music in Canada – when did he become a scientist???
When in doubt, just repeat the mantra…
“Global temperatures are rising, sea levels are rising, polar ice caps are melting, ocean acidity levels are rising.”
Is it me or was McIntyre a bit shocked by the camera?
Disappointing
Stephen McIntyre and Chris Horner failed to challenge the usual Global Warming nonsense. This was a real opportunity missed.
It’s going on 3 weeks since the emails and data hit the internet, and John Roberts has “looked at this for several days”.
Like most on the left, he was hoping it would go away. Well, it didn’t.
Did Oppenheimer practice these talking points, because I’ve heard other proponents of AGW use the same exact points!? So – GHG’s remain in the atmosphere forever once they are emitted? I learn something new every day.
And asking why the Chinese were investing in hybrid technology as well as solar? It’s called business opportunity and prudent cost avoidance as fossil fuel demand outstrips current production capability.
This kind of give and take has been missing form the public square for far too long. I’m kind of upset as there was so much potential to present a more substantive opposing view as to what Climategate represents – and the mark was missed. All in all though, it was good to see Steve McIntyre, very reaonably, explain why he has concerns about all this. Kind of hard to belittle and demonize someone when they come across as he did.
Thanks for posting this! Nice job – it was a good discussion and more balanced than most. Hopefully we will see many more like it in the future.
Hooray for Stephen, hooray for Science!!!!
His closing comment hit the nail on the head
It is colder than expected.
Copenhagen is in turmoil.
“Global temperatures are rising, sea levels are rising, polar ice caps are melting, ocean acidity levels are rising.”
Duh… And what would you expect the earth to do as it is coming out of an ice age! The idiocy that we can dictate the global climate is beyond description.
Peter:
His comments are not surprising, but somehow I am still taken aback by the outright deception by these “scientists”. Yeah, classic propaganda technique, LIE, then REPEAT.
But still, have these charlatans no shame?? I love his comment about looking to the Chinese for guidance: why are they going green technology? Duh – to sell product to the well intentioned fools in North America.
I’m still shaking my head!!
I see the climate thugs have settled on an approach to the hacked data …
“Yeah, these guys messed up, but so what? There are other scientists who’ve come to the same conclusions”.
…John Roberts??….there’s your leading climate authority…….I guess CNN can’t go 5minutes without a reporter talking to another reporter on the hard issues.
WoW, Prof Oppenheimer’s arguments were a joke. There are better opponents on the net. Even I could’ve taken him on the economic stuff and these “mountains of evidence” that show AGW. I’m not sure why McIntyre was so reluctant ..
Was it my imagionation, of was this simply a way to lob softballs to their own green alarmist? Campbell allowed him to drive both interviews and state opinion as fact. Someone who had no experience or perspective on this matter would most likely assume his position.
Peter said: (09:40:58) :
When in doubt, just repeat the mantra…
“Global temperatures are rising, sea levels are rising, polar ice caps are melting, ocean acidity levels are rising.”
rickM said (09:51:03) :
Did Oppenheimer practice these talking points, because I’ve heard other proponents of AGW use the same exact points!?
They make nearly irrefutable statements, then throw in their lie at the end: “due to CO2”. The warmists do that every day. We need to say “proof of effect does not prove cause. Other causes are likely because pre-industrial temperatures were much less stable than depicted by this small group of scientists.”
We need to say this over and over and over. Repeat it. Repetition is the key to education.
Campbell Brown is your existential liberal. She is so liberal she doesn’t even realize that she is liberal.
Why do scientists misstate the truth? For one, these are the only scientific studies that are going to be funded by the liberals in government agencies who want CO2 to be the villain because it furthers their environmental agendas. Two proposals are presented for funding; one to look at solar the other to look at CO2 impacts on prostitution. Guess which one will get funding. Guess who writes the scopes for studies to begin with? In essence we have liberal scientists who are conducting studies on behalf of liberal government officials.
Secondly, most of the studies are being performed in ultra-liberal academia. Any professor who does not promote the liberal agenda of the Institution’s Administration is pushed out. It is a case of self preservation for many scientists to study and conclude what is expected of them. Just look at want happened to Dr. Gray at Colorado because he questioned global warming. They took away his prestigious hurricane forecasting center from him.
rickM (09:51:03) :
Did Oppenheimer practice these talking points, because I’ve heard other proponents of AGW use the same exact points!? So – GHG’s remain in the atmosphere forever once they are emitted? I learn something new every day.
Oppenheimer is indeed following a carefully prepared script that revolves around the debunker handbook credo to “deny, defend, delay.” By attempting to re-frame the argument to “massive conspiracy” the alarmists hope to distract the focus from the undeniable fraud perpetrated at UEA by the world’s leading “climatologists. ”
The alarmists claim to have 2,500 “scientists” who have approved the latest IPCC reports – we know that it is more like 25 scientists in fact. Horner is the best communicator of these points and needs to be given more air time to raise the main points – it is the underlying FRAUD – that condemns the entire climate change campaign. The real question is – a few bad apples or is the whole barrel rotten.
Jesus, Oppenheimer is a broken record. What a douchebag. Is he really that ignorant, or does he just play one on TV?
“Sunspots. Look at the graphs comparing sunspot activity since 1860 with global sea surface temperatures. They look like matching S curves (unlike the graphs comparing temperatures with CO2 output). Harvard astrophysicist Dr. Willie Soon notes that 2008 may have been a cold year because sunspot activity was low. The sun has been quiet in 2009 too. “If this deep solar minimum continues,” Dr. Soon explains, “and our planet cools while CO2 levels continue to rise, thinking needs to change. This will be a very telling time and it’s very, very useful in terms of science and society, in my opinion.””
Torquemada in East Anglia
It’s not illegal. But it’s not science.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTdhYTcwZjFjYWM3M2Q2YzI1MGRmMzk5NGRhYjgyZTg=
telegraph.co.uk blogs.Has anyone else been unable to register to comment? Can someone try it,please? Maybe without clicking on Delingpole’s blog,try another author?
What’s disconcerting is the idea that 97% of climate scientists agree with the basic premise of AGW. Is that possibly because anyone who had an opposing view either couldn’t get grants or was laughed out of the “club” and is now washing cars for a living?
Oppenheimer is a pure propagandist. He says the Chinese are going to reduce CO2 emmissions. What China really says is they will decrease emmissions/unit of GDP. How hard is that? They of course fully intend to increase their GDP dramatically. Their CO2 emmissions will increase tremendously over the next few decades.
This guy Chris Horner is an embarrassment.
Seriously, is there really anything remotely resembling compelling evidence that we are now entering a period of global cooling? It’s one thing to say that we are in a fairly extended plateau in global temperatures that is starting to run against the predictions of the warmists; that seems to be quite a reasonable statement. It’s quite another to say that there’s good positive evidence of global cooling. Projecting such a trend is way, way past what the data might possibly signal.
Can’t people respect even the most basic of distinctions?
You want to know why Climate skeptics exude such a bad odor to most educated people? Look no further than Chris Horner.
Peter. You are absolutely right but it goes further. The Nazis understood that large lies, not just mantras, oft repeated soon become perceived truth.