The Sun: falling into an even deeper funk

With Climategate sucking all the oxygen out of the blogosphere, we’ve neglected some of our regular reporting duties here at WUWT.

Thanks to Paul Stanko, who has been tracking sunspots for WUWT for awhile now who writes in with this update. It looks like we’ll soon surpass 2008 for the number of spotless days. – Anthony

Guest post by Paul Stanko

With November now in the past, I’ve got a fresh set of statistics, and it looks like this cycle is falling ever further into an even deeper funk.  The attached graphics are revamped according to Leif’s impromptu peer review and I believe are

much improved.  They are a few days old, though.

The 2009 spotless days are now 262 and the cycle 24 spotless days are now 774.  On the cycle graph, I now calculated three different sets of spotless days per cycle.  Minimum just counted the actual observed and reported days of zero sunspots.  Maximum assumed that all missing obs were zero sunspot days.  Likely assigned spotless days to the missing obs in the same ratio as the reported obs for that year. 

The graphs were reporting what I now call Minimum.  They now report Likely, hence the increase in values for some of the older cycles.  There is a second number now too, a % confidence.  I calculated this by the following formula: 100% * (1 -((Maximum – Minimum) / Likely)).  When all obs are reported, Maximum = Minimum = Likely so this becomes 100%.

Any cycle where the confidence is 0% means I gave it my level best estimate, but anybody else’s estimate is more than likely just as good.

Comparing the actual months to the updated prediction gives some interesting insights once again… all numbers are SIDC 13 month smoothed… the predicted peak is 90, which I use to estimate suggested peak…

Jan 2009 had 2.1 for a prediction, 1.71 actual.  Suggested peak = 73.16

(18.71% low)

Feb 2009 had 2.7 for a prediction, 1.67 actual.  Suggested peak = 55.62

(38.20% low)

Mar 2009 had 3.3 for a prediction, 1.97 actual.  Suggested peak = 53.83

(40.19% low)

Apr 2009 had 3.9 for a prediction, 2.24 actual.  Suggested peak = 51.79

(42.46% low)

May 2009 had 4.6 for a prediction, 2.36 actual.  Suggested peak = 46.16

(48.71% low)

Jun 2009 had 5.5 for a prediction, but requires December data for actual

numbers.

To put these into context, I looked at the 13 month smoothed peaks of all the numbered cycles.  80, as well as 90, would be the weakest cycle since 1933.

66 to 75, which includes Leif’s prediction of 72, would be the weakest  cycle since 1913. 50 to 65, which includes my prediction of 60, would be the weakest cycle

since 1823. 49 would be the weakest cycle since 1810. 48 or less, which includes Dr. Archibald’s prediction of 42 (and my May  2009 update) would be the weakest cycle since the Maunder Minimum.

Also, keeping in mind the current cycle has 774 spotless days racked up

already…

The mean number of spotless days excluding both Dalton and Maunder

minima is 557, with a standard deviation of 258.  We are almost 1 sigma above the mean. The mean number of spotless days including the Dalton but excluding the

Maunder is 777, which we have the potential to reach in just a few days, with a

sigma of 578.

Listing the weakest numbered cycles by month is also interesting…

The values for the first 4 months of cycle 6 were 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 and

0.00. (Dalton minimum)

The values for the first 4 months of cycle 7 were 0.08, 1.65, 3.32 and 4.15

The values for the first 4 months of cycle 12 were 2.41, 2.58, 2.50 and 2.58

The values for the first 4 months of cycle 15 were 1.55, 1.57, 1.58 and 2.88

and the values for the first 4 months of cycle 24 were 1.67, 1.97, 2.24

and 2.36.

So, it seems the only solar cycle which rose even slower than this one was cycle 6.

Hope you and your readers find this interesting,

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Ray
December 2, 2009 3:59 pm

The links for the images are not good
PRESS REFRESH

Ray
December 2, 2009 4:03 pm

Following on the link I put in the tips section, with the sun being so quiet, we have one of the conditions to get into an ice age. If we start getting some major volcanic activity the second condition will be met and regardless of the claims made by the new AGW religion, we will rapidly fall into an ice age.
http://www.eclipptv.com/files/photos/05f971b5ec196b8L.gif

December 2, 2009 4:08 pm

Interesting that the peak estimate for cycle 24 keeps declining.

JohnV
December 2, 2009 4:11 pm

It will be interesting what happens if 2010 is very warm despite the deep solar minimum. What would that say about the influence of GHG-induced warming relative to the influence of a solar cycle?

December 2, 2009 4:15 pm

As much as I would like the people of the world to know that AGW by CO2 is not the problem that the Alarmists would have us think, I’d rather not have the final “proof” to be a decline into what would be termed an “Ice
Age”.

December 2, 2009 4:16 pm

Very interesting! Thanks Paul. Meanwhile, why is spaceweather.com’s sunspotless days (252) a lot different from SIDC (262)? Is the former trying to “minimize” the contributory factor of the current solar minimum in the Earth’s climate?

mark in austin
December 2, 2009 4:21 pm

is there a lag in the temperature effects? it seems i have heard that claim made on here and it makes sense but is there any way to back this claim up?
if it is a lag of 3 to 5 years then we would just now begin to see some fairly significant cooling in the next 12 months right?

HarryG
December 2, 2009 4:23 pm

Oh dear
WUWT talking about the Sun again – that can only mean a sunspot or two on the way.

December 2, 2009 4:24 pm

Science is getting more confusing:
“Ozone hole ‘protecting Antarctica’ from global warning ”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/ozone-hole-protecting-antarctica-from-global-warning/story-e6frg8y6-1225806099928
Where did humanity get it wrong? Was it in Montreal, or in Kyoto?
Ecotretas

bill
December 2, 2009 4:27 pm

Leif’s plot unfortunately has unfortunately not been updated since mid november but the 10.7 flux seemed to be on a reasonable upward trend:
http://www.leif.org/research/TSI-SORCE-2008-now.png

RhudsonL
December 2, 2009 4:27 pm

Go back to climitegate because stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov suggests it is too early to get too excicted.

geo
December 2, 2009 4:28 pm

Well, the “Ring of fire” is definitely stretching its legs the last 15 years, and I see no reason to think we’ve seen a peak yet. . . so some more very significant volcanic eruptions in the next several years seems quite possible to me. . .maybe even crossing over into “probable”.

Dave The Engineer
December 2, 2009 4:34 pm

I figured this was coming. I pulled some strings to get moved to South Carolina. It may not be far enough south. Those liberals are having a string of bad luck, the world cools just enough that a semi-conservative congress couldn’t quite accept Kyoto. They get enough libs elected plus a lib president and they have all the elements in place to use global warming to take over the economy, then a conscientious climate scientist gets cold feet and rats out his climate marxist buddies. Now it may get really cold and ruin the libs anti-petroleum / anti-coal agenda. A real darn shame when fantasy gets mugged by reality. Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of corrupt elitists.

Peter
December 2, 2009 4:36 pm

JohnV (16:11:14) : “It will be interesting what happens if 2010 is very warm despite the deep solar minimum.” John V, I can only assume you mean warm as measured by satellite as E. M. Smith has put paid ti GISTemp for long term compariosons and CRUTem………………….

JEM
December 2, 2009 4:36 pm

HarryG – you mean Anthony has his own Gore Effect?
Do we call random sunspots appearing after WUWT postings WattsSpots?

View from the Solent
December 2, 2009 4:38 pm

I’ve searched, but I cannot find. Is there anywhere that has data on recent sunspot activity that would have been detected using the techniques of 50/100/150/… years ago?

Phil
December 2, 2009 4:38 pm

The fellows over at RC recently posted “The CO2 Problem in Six Easy Steps”:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/08/the-co2-problem-in-6-easy-steps/
I was wondering if AW, MM, or a guest blogger had or would respond to that chain of science/logic, either in whole or step-by-step.
Thanks.

TJA
December 2, 2009 4:47 pm

It will be interesting what happens if 2010 is very warm despite the deep solar minimum. What would that say about the influence of GHG-induced warming relative to the influence of a solar cycle?

Well, we sure would have additional information in that case. Unlike the warmies, when the facts change, skeptics change their opinions, what will you do?

rbateman
December 2, 2009 4:49 pm

The November run of spots, while up numerically in count, was down in area.
Neither was the contrast anything to write home about.
As I have spoken to Leif about, he was very correct to point out that many would jump up and down when we have a big spot, which will occur even in a Maunder-type minimum.
Over the course of the last year, Solar Activity has positively increased, but that increase is not what one would expect in a standard cycle.
Therefore, I do not expect it to do anything more than the current rate of increase within 1 sigma for the next year. That does leave open the possibiity that it will decrease by that amount. L&P effect may be on a trend, but that doens’t mean it’s riveted to it.
A range of probabilities.
Ditto for a hot year the warmists long for. That would be a true outlier given the present conditions, which have cooled the last 10+ years.
We may eventually get to the drivers and mechanisms of our climate, but for now, we have only the literature to tell us that continued Deep Solar Minimum will mean continuing decline in global temps, with the associated noise.
Safe to say the Sun will NOT presently co-operate with AGW.
Leif has been kind enough to make available server space for the EUVI composite color STEREO images I produce. You can follow the progress of the Solar Activity in the EUV in living color from Mar ’09 to present here:
http://www.leif.org/bateman/
The coverage will eventually expand to 01/01/2007 to present.

Editor
December 2, 2009 4:50 pm

If it wasn’t for the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming narrative, this would be front page news. We have a historical correlation between temperature and sunspots, and we may be entering an extended period of weak solar activity. If Earth enters a significant period of cooling and we are unprepared for it, the Global Warming cheerleaders should be held culpable for the results, i.e. crop failures, starvation, cold related deaths, etc.
Here’s some reading material from NASA:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/03sep_sunspots.htm
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/29sep_cosmicrays.htm
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm
And here’s a good one from Phil Chapman, a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sorry-to-ruin-the-fun-but-an-ice-age-cometh/story-e6frg73o-1111116134873

TJA
December 2, 2009 4:51 pm

Phil, why don’t you find the paper that explains how the cloud feedbacks are accounted for? It seems like that controversial point is dismissed without even so much as some hand waving.

Not Amused
December 2, 2009 4:51 pm

Now all we need are true/proper/raw/unfudged temperature data sets (*cough* not CRU *cough*), and perhaps we may have some correlation going on with low solar activity this past decade alongside GMT levelling and/or dropping in the same length of time…..
Afterall, the new science truism now appears to be : “Correlation proves causation”, right ?
…. Then we should gather together a ‘consensus’, a few appeals to authority, and a nobel prize worthy glam-movie, and we’ve got ourselves a viable fact-theory folks !
…. solar tax anyone ?

rbateman
December 2, 2009 4:54 pm

View from the Solent (16:38:13) :
No, there is no present study per se, but you can compare Sunspot Area Measurement from Debrecen(2007/8) and SONNE(2009) to Greenwich.(1874-1974).

Leon Brozyna
December 2, 2009 4:57 pm

Ah yes, the sun.
Almost forgot about that — would that make me a climatologist? [shudder]
At least with the sun we get to see some of the data and solar scientists getting it on … no consensus here.

rbateman
December 2, 2009 4:58 pm

Not Amused (16:51:19) :
This is the price we all pay for the Warmists driving Science the wrong way on the Freeway.
Do we ever need untainted historical temps !!!
And we are going to need them soon.

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