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Daphne (20:11:58)
I found this website a few months ago, while creating some graphics for a friend at NOAA. While searching for references of what a “MMTS sensor” looks like, I found out here about the Marysville station, and after exploring a bit in morbid fascination, put the site in my bookmarks.
This week , WUWT has become my favorite site in the whole world.
I am so glad I knew exactly where to turn when this thing broke.
Thank you for all your work here; and thanks to all those leaving comments which educate me by the hour. This has been the most intellectually thrilling week ever!
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Thanks! This made my week, maybe my month. My moderation team of Charles, DB, and Evan, who works tirelessly in the background, appreciates this more than you can imagine.
You see, it has been an extraordinarily stressful and exhausting week here at WUWT, trying to keep up with it all. Traffic records have been smashed one day, only to be smashed again the next. Comments are coming at the rate of a couple per second at times. Emails, tips, requests arriving faster than we can deal with them sometimes. It’s been crazy. Add to my duties with Climate Audit and trying to keep it running (the server went into terminal overload) and working on migrating CA to a new location, I haven’t had much time to reflect.
Thank you for the kind words.
– Anthony and the WUWT moderation team.
Absolute Kudos Anthony!
Anthony and Moderators.
Thanks YOU.
All the best
Mike Hodges
Nice English on me.
Thank YOU.
Press On, Anthony.
Thank you for helping to flip over the rocks the IPCC & Co. have been hiding under.
Yeah, but what about the rest of us looking to break our WUWT addiction? 🙂
I’ll be back.
Yes, indeed, let the record show the heartfelt appreciation of the WHOLE WORLD of those few brave persons who have held out against this modern madness.
As the AGW nonsense is slowly but surely unravelling, many proponents will be seeking to point blame, so heads down, and thanks again from an appreciative Earthling.
I’m clicking the donate button NOW.
I can’t give much, but if all those clicks resulted in the $10 I’m going to give, you guys would be able to buy the “intertubes” just for WUWT and CA. 🙂
Extraordinary in all respects. Thank you so much. I check you site every few hours and I am always amazed. So much to learn and so much excitement.
Anthony you and your crew are amazing.
Since WUWT and CA are regularly mentioned by the pro-peer-reviewers, you must have become a real Bristlecone Pine needle on their sides… keep up the good work!
I have also learned so much from this site. Thank one and all.
I discovered this site this year and have learnt so much. The stories you bring us are truely stunning, and yet we see little or nothing of them in MSM here in Australia. Shocking!
Still, what’s more important, Australia playing cricket or Tiger Woods in a prang? But what appears to be panning out to be the biggest fraud of all time doesn’t get much airtime here.
Thank goodness for WUWT and CA. The mod team here amazes me…I can’t keep up with reading all the comments, let alone imagine trying to keep up with moderating all the comments…
In a stormy time, this site has been my umbrella.
When I first started reading WUWT? I felt as if I could breath after 30 years of suffocation. It was nice to find a place where truth finally held sway. Every viewing from my initial encounter has lifted weight off my shoulders and I can now stand up tall and know that I am not alone in view on the climate. To watch the CBC, Desmogblog, RC, and many other media outlets tell bald-face lies about people I know and love wounded me deeply. WUWT? helped to heal my wounds and give me hope that common sense is not dead. I wish I could “fill the tip jar” for all the people who work tirelessly on this site, but alas, there is none to spare. No financial assistance from “big oil’ as so many detractors try to claim. All I can give is my heartfelt gratitude. Anthony and Moderators, you have truly made history and changed the world for the better. Thank you. and “Hold Fast”, …… Dave
Some friends used to smile at me ironically when I told them about the AGW hoax. I gave them your website link a week ago and now they take their hat when I pass by.
Of course, about 50% of your posts are translated into Spanish and published in our website at the Argentinean Foundatin for a Scientific Ecology (FAEC – “Myths and Frauds in Ecology” website) with tremendous success. Full credit given, of course.
This site is a SMASh in Spain and Latin America, I can assure you!
Excellent job! Thanks!
http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Articulos.html
Yes, indeed, kudos to Anthony and the Mods. Unless I’ve seriously miscounted, it looks like WUWT will blow past 3 million hits for the month by Sunday at the latest.
They should give you a Pulitzer over this. What you have done is lay the groundwork for the biggest story since Watergate.
Yes, it has been quite a week. Yes, all of us appreciate it.
Anthony is the Duke of MMTS and he is A-Number One!
Many thanks for this site.
You are doing the world a great service!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
“…and after exploring a bit in morbid fascination…”
The above phrase resonated with me but not quite …
…and after exploring in morbid fascination, until exhausted …
There, fixed.
BBC announce UK Govt. Climate gate inquiry, the cover-up begins.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8383713.stm
Alright, put a little Christmas cheer in your box. I’m not as good with words as Daphne. 🙂 Thanks and Merry Christmas!
I blame last week’s SNL – you can’t buy advertising like that 🙂
Anthony, Charles, DB, and Evan – your tireless work to keep the rest of us informed is truly appreciated. WUWT is first on my bookmark list and is required (well, my science fix) reading at the beginning and end of my day.
Hank Hancock
Las Vegas, NV
Yep, Anthony to use an ‘ol Cowboy term that my Pop used-“yer the Wolf of the World,
pard!” Think it means Alpha Male, Pack leader etc.-a good thing…
Thanks Anthony, Moderators, and all others who contribute. This has been a great week! A heady week. You and a few other bloggers may have saved our collective you-know-what from a fate too horrible to contemplate.
evanmjones (21:05:22) : Anthony is the Duke of MMTS and he is A-Number One!
That’s the Rev. Anthony Watts, Evan?
[REPLY – Nobody beats the Rev! ~ Evan]
Daphne speaks for a lot of us. Your mix of topics and coverage of the climate issue is awesome. Thanks WUWT team.
The “Greenhouse Effect” Revisited, again;
Much has been made for the last few decades of the “Greenhouse Effect” and the “Enhanced Greenhouse Effect”. So, let’s review:
Let’s start from basic principles; let’s follow “A Day in the Life of a Global Warming (NOT) Photon”.
1. A Photon of Visible Light (a.k.a. Sunlight) arrives on the surface of the Earth. Nothing spectacular here, happens all the time.
2. This Photon is either reflected or absorbed by the surface of the Earth. The visible reflected portion is not of much interest to the Man-made Global Warming Hypothesis, so we will ignore it for now.
3. The absorbed Photon raises the temperature of the Earth by a small amount, no dispute here.
4. The warmer Surface of the Earth then releases some Infrared radiation, no dispute here.
5. This infrared Radiation MAY be absorbed (chances are about 450/1,000,000) by a molecule of a “greenhouse gas” in the atmosphere.
6. This molecule of “greenhouse gas” will be warmed by a small amount, no dispute here.
7. This warmed molecule of “greenhouse gas” will emit something less than 50% of this energy back towards the surface of the Earth as infrared radiation, no dispute here.
8. Some of this infrared radiation emitted back towards the surface of the Earth will be absorbed by the surface and thereby warm it, (ignoring for a moment that some is reflected), no dispute here.
9. The surface of the Earth having been warmed by the radiation reflected by the “greenhouse gas” will thereby re-emit this energy back towards space, no dispute here.
10. This infrared radiation emitted back towards the cold vacuum of space MAY again be absorbed {chances are now (450/1,000,000)*(450/1,000,00)} by a “greenhouse gas”.
11. This cycle continues ad-infinitium…
12. Simply calculate the following equation to find the
chances that a Photon is forever “trapped” by the alleged “greenhouse effect”; chances of being “trapped forever” = 450^N/1,000,000^N, where “N goes to infinity” and represents the number of times a Photon is absorbed by the surface of the
Earth and ALSO absorbed by a molecule of a “greenhouse gas”.
13. The chances of being absorbed by a “greenhouse gas” TEN times is:
450^10/1,000,000^10 = ~ 3.4×10^-34 = 0.000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,34 !! (I have to admit I counted the zero’s several times, but I may be mistaken by a few)
14. So, as N approaches infinity the chances of a Photon being “trapped” and forever after causing a “permanent warming” of the Earth quickly approaches NOTHING, or as we in the engineering field used to call it “ZERO POINT S–T OVER INFINITY”.
15. Oh, by the way this simple calculation ignores the fact that something less than 50% of the energy absorbed by the “greenhouse gas” is emitted back towards the surface of the Earth.
16. A more accurate equation is: 0.50^N*450^N/1,000,000^N, which for N=10, is even WORSE at ~3.3×10^-37, hurry up and add three more zero’s.
17. The value of 450 (“greenhouse gas equivalent” in ppmv) is immaterial, it could be 100ppmv or 5000ppmv, the outcome is the essentially the same. The chances of TEN “greenhouse gas” absorptions at “100ppmv” = 1×10^-40, chances at “5000 ppmv” is = ~ 9.8×10^-24. Either way, that’s a WHOLE LOT OF ZERO’S
18. In Fact, even if the concentration of “greenhouse gases” in the atmosphere is 100% (BTW, we’d all be dead) the chances that a photon is ”trapped” and forever after causes a “permanent warming” of the EARTH is: 0.50^N*1,000,000^N/1,000,000^N, for N=10, this evaluates out to 9.8×10^-4. Not as many zeros, but as N goes to infinity this also becomes essentially NOTHING.
So in summary, we can suggest a few salient points:
As predicted by the laws of Thermodynamics, no heat is ever “trapped” in the atmosphere of the Earth.
If the “greenhouse effect” does indeed exist, we should expect Man-made Greenhouses to slowly heat up and eventually reach a “Tipping Point” and burst into flames. Little evidence of these empirical events exists.
The fact that some of the Thermal Insulating Gases surrounding the surface of the Earth are heated only by conduction and convection (Oxygen and Nitrogen), and other gases are heated by conduction, convection and absorption of infrared radiation is INCONSEQUENTIAL! All of these gases participate in a huge heat transfer problem which still follows all of the laws of Thermodynamics.
Note that all of these absorptions and reemissions happen within time frames of microseconds, or less. So the thought that heat has been trapped and will show up in a decade, or two decades, or even one hundred years is RIDICULOUS !!
Indeed, a stellar week for WUWT and the entire staff! Thank you all very much!
Ace’s in a Climategate world of jokers!
And Daphne if your friend at NOAA needs any other information with regard to MMTS sensor’s please be sure and pass along the surfacestations.org project! They might find some useful information there.
Don’t forget the archives. A veritable treasure trove of climate science and data from many noted scientists. Thank you all at WUWT for providing this window of sanity in a very disturbed world.
I too must confess to having started my trek here. I was looking for some evidence that the warming had a basis in real data and, chasing the question of who recorded thermometer and where the data came from, found myself here. The rest, as they say, is history.
First I learned that I was not the only person with a bit of clue who was skeptical. Then I learned one heck of a lot about thermometers and temperature series and all the players involved.
It was a question I asked here that caused a “Warmer” to reprimand me that GISS had published the code along with methods… that led me to having the GIStemp code in hand.
All that is on my site (in fact, even the idea of having a site started from a desire to avoid retyping the same points..), all the running of GIStemp, and all the understanding of how “cooked” the GHCN / NCDC data set are; every last scrap of it is due to this site.
None of it would exist but for Anthony and the work of the moderators.
I’m sure I’m not the only one “inspired” here. Your leverage reaches far and wide…
I found out about this web site from reading a Roy Spencer article about 1 1/2 years ago. I am so happy WUWT exists!!
I also haven’t got as lot of sleep this past week. I’ve been at WUWT for long hours reading. The most important reading was HARRY_READ_ME ClimateGate codified. Thank you for posting that one Anthony! (I still wonder what was going through Steve McIntyre’s mind as he read all the code for the first time)
Thank you Anthony and the moderators!! All of you must be sleep deprived. But you all have accomplished a lot. I imagine even the AGW crowd spent a good amount of time at WUWT this week.
Again, I am so happy this web site exists!
[snip – not yet – let’s wait and see, but thanks anyway – A]
Like Rick Werme, I too have a WUWT addiction. I wish I had Daphne’s grace and had penned a note of thanks before now.
It’s one of my favorite sites as well, right behind instapundit.com!
Now, all you guys and gals, get out there and complete those surfacestations.org surveys!!!!!!!!
Best,
Mike Fox
Daphne puts me to shame. I’ve been enjoying your website for months now and never left a comment of appreciation. You’ve helped me realize that my own misgivings were not based on “Moon Hoax” type information. And today I just used it in class to help my college students appreciate the importance of not relying on third-party information, but of going straight to the source whenever possible.
Thank you, Anthony. I don’t know how you and your staff have done it. The work that goes into this must be phenomenal.
Anthony, thank you so much for all your hard work. You and your WUWT team have done an amazing job at covering this story. I took CBC news team to task today for their lame, practically non-existent and biased media coverage on Climategate. Later, I saw this video on your site: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/climategate-protester-pawns-cbc-on-live-tv/
Incredible timing, indeed.
Anthony and Moderators.
Thank You
Sometimes we the interested public forget that it takes a team to make this kind of progress against ignorance and worse. Thank you again.
Hyon and Terry
Hitting the tip jar – something I’ve been meaning to do all week, both here and at CA. Heartfelt thanks to you all, your efforts are truly appreciated. The children can have coal in their Christmas stockings: they are old enough now to understand that mummy needs her sanity more than they need trinkets. I don’t comment much but I am around often in spirit. It gives me hope.
Dittos.
I have written no less than 30 letters and emails and contacted at least 500 people this week. In every correspondence I cited this site. Thanks for all your help!
Will drop in a tip as soon as I can!
Anthony, I too would like to express my gratitude for all your time and the work you put up on this site. My education is only 1 week old on this site and it is now a permanent source for information. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and wishing you all the best.
Ray (20:52:04) :
Since WUWT and CA are regularly mentioned by the pro-peer-reviewers, you must have become a real Bristlecone Pine needle on their sides… keep up the good work!
The bristlecone pine isn’t afflicting their sides, it’s a bit lower.
If things play out the way they should, what we owe the Anthonys of the world (Steve M, Lubos Motl, and others too numerous to mention) cannot be overestimated.
The dedication of this post is simple:
Thank you Anthony and your staff.
Been lurking on this site for a while too. Thank you for the education, previously i believed in the global warming theory, mainly due to spoon feeding from the media. This site has opened my eyes.
Same here, since a month orso i have started to look for more information about the “global warming hype” this was the site i have most visited.
Thank you very much for changing me in a skeptical warmist 😀
BTW, could you please tell me where the “tip jar” is. I ask it a couple of times but i cant find is :O
Arnold (22:47:53) :
BTW, could you please tell me where the “tip jar” is. I ask it a couple of times but i cant find is :O
Just below the recent comments section on the right Arnold.
I’ve just added a small contribution to the tip jar in thanks for all the hard work and long ours the WUWT team has put in.
WELL DONE GUYS!
Yes, this is where it’s at on the Internet. I found this site very quickly. I first visited SolarCycle24, another good source of information and climate/solar links that led me here. Thanks, Anthony et al.
“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”–Winston Churchill
I’ve been recording air temps here in Christchurch n.z from 1976. I’ve seen 3 pecks in the yearly a.v.g air temps and each time i heard on the news about that time that the sun had reached it peck in its solarcycle and i said so some of my friends that a.v.g yearly temps are always going to be warmer than normal for 1 or two years just after the peck in the cycle.
I had no real learning in that science . It wasn’t till last year i came across this website just by typing in sunspots into Google.
I was amazed that you had a post up about this very same thing . People thought i was mad saying that in most cases air temp gos up with the number of sunspots but i just went with my gut feeling and your site Anthony has reassured me that my thinking is on the right path I have learnt a lot from this site . Hope you and your moderators have a restful Christmas.
Heartfelt thanks, Anthony and Moderators.We’re reallty in the thick of it, Here in Australia!
In Dec. 2008 I finally had the opportunity to searched the web for an authoritative update on the “global warming” war. I was painfully aware of the lack of scrutiny regarding the UN IPCC activities and it’s domination of world government policies around CO2 “forcing” of the consequential pending thermal destruction of the earth, but desperately needed to discover a source for the latest up-to-date news and investigation that was lacking from the Media and at the UN. This I found at WUWT, CA, TAV, ICECAP and the numerous others in addition to Sen. Inhofe’s EPW Blog and now ClimateDepot.
All in all, IMO, WUWT remains the world’s command center for this, perhaps the greatest impacting outlawed scientific DEBATE of all time: the unorganized independent scientific challenge to the politically ordained scientific elite opinion of virtually immediate human “greenhouse” destruction of our own earthly habitat through our mere existence with only sketchy historical data (although apparently AGW contrarian) available and secret and therefore unscientific supporting data and projections while any major public debate has been avoided and/or prohibited even though expert AGW opposing opinion has been expressed since the warnings of the immediately pending Ice Age of the 1970’s.
Anthony Watts and the mods have given ear, voice, life and port to the growing legions of fact anxious, searching scientist, amateur and layman souls who now may be taking part in an AGW high-water mark period that may result in the rebirth of openly debated and respectable science.
A warning is now called for as while we can hope the overthrow of the AGW hysteria is near the scientific elite will not succumb cooperatively, or completely. As the elite hijacked the Environmental Movement they will, at least, attempt to remain a major influence there in addition to exploiting as much as they can the MSMedia and Gov’s of the world.
As a saying goes: Stay vigilant! Stay involved! Give the elitists little quarter, it is not in them to honestly question their “learned” conclusions and sacrifice they’re influence.
The EPA must be made to publicly defend it’s CO2 pollution finding. The UN IPCC must publicly defend it’s reports and projections. Hadley and CRU must publicly defend it’s lack of credibility through it’s lack of peer review through their secrecy of data and reasoning for interpretations.
Did you contribute to the EPA inquiry by Friday? Try now, anyway. It can still influence by after hours impact.
Here is a link as an example of the ongoing war that is yet far from over:
“US and China to reduce emissions, but not enough” (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/climate), Fri Nov 27, 9:47 pm ET.
Keep the pressure on Washington and the “media” – give the “Believers” something to believe in!
Almost forgot! My engineering physics college senior son’s and other family members are kept up-to-date by me through mostly WUWT daily as I, too check the site several times daily and share many of the posts/comments I find most relevant, impacting and educational.
Anthony a Pulitzer? You’ve got my vote. Together with low solar flux, the inevitable CRU and Hadley miscues, McIntyre’s hockey stick exposure, Anthony’s activity and the many other influences we may experience reality, soon. Stay active!
A Great Thanksgiving to science. WOW! What a year! What a week!
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And the donations box for WUWT can be found here.
http://www.surfacestations.org/donate.htm
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Me too! I found WUWT almost 2 years ago as I started to doubt and it has educated me and entertained me since.
Over a period of several years I’ve gone from extreme Green to sceptic. I never was keen on the AGW hypothesis, though, for selfish reasons: I don’t like the idea of frying to death or being cannibalised – but I felt I was obliged to accept AGW if I couldn’t turn up some facts. So I was relieved to find this site, CA and related blogs with detailed and dispassionate discussion of facts, instead of mere generalisations and put-downs. For me, the tone of discussions is just as important as the content. Thank you, moderators.
It’s an extraordinary sensation to be able to watch news unfolding as it happens, and even add the occasional (probably rather pointless) comment in the process.
Please keep up the great work. Sorry that all I can offer at the moment are thanks, but they are heartfelt.
Thank you for all your work here; and thanks to all those leaving comments which educate me by the hour.
Daphne (20:11:58)
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke
A HUGE thank you to the good men: Anthony, Charles, DB, and Evan.
This site is a major island of sanity in a rising sea of stupidity.
Keep up the good work Anthony (et al.).
Cheers
Mark
I too have WUWT to thank for my enlightened journey from acceptance to denial of the AGW thesis.
What you and Steve have done is doggedly present the facts while pointing out errors and bad practice.
I believe this used to be called ‘jounalism’.
No democracy can function without a free press – you do a great service to us all.
Thank you.
It’s been a really crazy week! Kudos for all this WUWT team; your work is really appreciated. This is the way to go!
Ecotretas
Keep it up. My alarmist friends are running out of rebuttals to the arguments I give them from here.
I think Daphne speaks for all of us.
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Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Anthony, jeez, charles, and other part-time moderators. I’ll never forget the welcome I had here when I arrived fresh from a U-turn from ardent warmist to cool skeptic. Also the true warning that I would lose friends.
Anyone wanting to read a Primer in skeptical Climate Science at this point, please click my name. Slightly dated but still 100% relevant.
Anything we can do to help, please let us know. It’s important that we help support those who are doing painful U-turns if possible, I think, and help those who have turned 90 degrees like Judith Curry and George Monbiot, to turn the full 180 degrees, to realize it’s not just bad behaviour, it’s also seriously inadequate science and, sadly, many lay people have noticed before the professionals have done.
I must thank christopher booker of the daily telegraph. His articles raised awareness and pointed me in the direction of wuwt and ca the posters then send on on a tuly illuminating journey. I too am disappointed in msm coverage, particularly the bbc. During question time on thursday an audience member asked if global warming was a scam. The programme took place in scotland just after the s scotland/cumbrian floods(weather not climate). The panel consisted of a green comic, two agw supporters an right wing agnostic and a journo. All chaired by the v green mr dimblby. Scotland. Is a left leaning country. In their responses none mentioned the cru emails. How can this be? One has to assume that it was a taboo subject or the editor had been busy. When the journo(from the daily mail) stated that it was indeed a scam and that polar bears and sea ice were increasing she was mauled. She answered the question first followed by the other panel members and was not allowed rebuttal. The bbc is complicit in the scam. The evergreen dimblby lost respect.
Seconded, thirded or whatever we’re up to by now-ded!
It’s only the dedication to rational science shown by people like yourself and Steve which has enabled the bad science being committed by those at the top of the climatology pyramid to be exposed for what it is. The principles you have pushed for of sound measurements, openness of data and ‘adjustments’, and fairness and rigor of peer review are the foundations on which climate science must be rebuilt.
Once we’ve torn down the current crumbling unsafe edifice, that is!
Adding my heartfelt thanks to Daphne’s, and to all those above!
I’ve been lurking for some time here because there was so much to learn, from the contributors and the comments to each post.
Being a zoologist, I simply could not accept the AGW alarmist calls – to me, this made no sense, because their aim, to stop any changes, means ultimately that they want to stop evolution from happening.
I don’t need to spell out the arrogance of that attitude!
I’ve been coming here for much-needed dose of sanity. Further, it gave and gives me great joy that there are still people who do science the only way – not the perverted way these frauds have been doing and propagating.
Thanks for everything – and also thanks to all you commentators!
Again, a heartfelt thank-you for all the information, time and hard work put in. I would have said so earlier, but thought extra emails might actually be a nuisance rather than a bonus!
I still remember the thrill when I sent in a quick off-topic post and link (to Hansen saying “Democracy isn’t working”) and checked back later, to find it had been made a lead story and I had a hat-tip!
Your site is truly scientific, truly educational and truly democratic.
Thanks a million.
Barbara in the UK
d thompson (02:14:06) :
The bbc is complicit in the scam.
That is the sad truth…. state funded science gives the UK the CRU and AGW propaganda… state funded journalism gives the UK the BBC and Iraqi WMD propaganda… state funded health gives the UK the NHS and MMR vaccine propaganda…
I crossed the BBC rubicon reading about the death of Dr David Kelly but that is another story….
Googling “Climategate” now gives only 10% less hits than “Bill Gates”.
Signal flags reading “Bravo Zulu” hoisted and nailed to the mast.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq101-2.htm
If my boss only knew the time I spent on WUWT
I have a fantastic job, I travel, I am payed very well
BUT I like WUWT much better
Thank you Anthony and all for some of the most enlightened times in my life, again thank you.
Yes, Anthony and staff, You’ve done a very nice job at hiding the decline of scepticism this past week. 😉
Oh, but there probably is no such decline to hide, is there? 🙂
Great work as usual WUWT, but more impressive than ever considering the growth of the interrest during the past week! 🙂
Thank you Anthony and moderators, you have certainly outdone yourselves this week. High quality posts, moderation, comments and science make this the best site. This is truly an oasis of sanity in a hysterical world.
“some bloke (21:10:07) :
BBC announce UK Govt. Climate gate inquiry, the cover-up begins.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8383713.stm”
…Sorry, but this is an internal inquiry by the UEA, so it’s discredited before it even begins.
To: nothothere
As for:
“7. This warmed molecule of “greenhouse gas” will emit something less than 50% of this energy back towards the surface of the Earth as infrared radiation, no dispute here.
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You have bought in to the biggest piece of BS around. The 1/2 up 1/2 down argument is meant to confuse.
1. When CO2 absorbs a IR photon the energy is absorbed into the rest of the atmosphere. Not re-radiated 1 for 1.
2. What determines the IR radiated is the temperature of the atmosphere
3. IR path links (except for the 10 micron window) are very short in the troposphere.
4. The majority of the heat flow in the troposphere is by convection.
5. There are multiple ir patths to space.
Surface (10 micron window)
Moisture (about 5-8Km)
Cloud Tops
CO2 (@ Stratopause)
6. What sets the earths effective radiative temperature is the atmospheric lapse rate which drives the local IR level radiated to space.
Do not buy into the AGW spin argument of 1/2 up 1/2 down. It is incredible how many people do.
One blog that never gets mentioned is by the Professor Philip Stott:
http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times.html
It is fantastic.
“d thompson (02:14:06) :
The bbc is complicit in the scam.”
…The BBC can be classed as no more than a “useful idiot” in this regard, along with the Guardian. They just take all the lying propaganda from wherever about “global warming”, and, without checking anything, broadcast it to the world as if it all were all proven scientific fact.
This is not new. The BBC’s policy was formed 36 years ago, when they broadcast a program called “The Weather Machine”. The program speculated that weather patterns and the climate was being altered by human activity, especially aircraft flying through the jetstream. It was all hypothetical, of course, and no scientific evidence was produced to back up their theory, but they’ve persisted with the idea of man-made climate change ever since.
My thanks again to WUWT. Great stuff.
There is a full-pager in the Daily Telegraph in the UK today, by Gordon Rayner. It is kind of grudging, suggesting that Climategate might have the undesirable effect of making people doubt the soundness of the AGW science in the run up to the Copenhagen conference. Still, a full page. For a few days I feared that the MSM in this country were going to succeed in hiding the story. Now, I think not.
I had lunch with a group of University social scientists yesterday. In the conversation, I asked if they had heard of the CRU story. Only a couple had. However, they all seemed to be sceptical of the science behind Global Warming (or Climate Change, or whatever). Social scientific intellectuals tend to lean to the left, in both the UK and the USA. So when they start being sceptical, then perhaps we really are looking at a big and maybe irreversible shift of opinion, which WUWT has done so much to bring about.
Am also a faithful reader with no desire to break this habit (though every day I try to quit the cigarettes). Thanks a million and ditto to all that Daphne and others have had to say. Tip jar here I come.
Have to add my thanks to the list. In particular, thanks to the “behind the scenes” moderators, who must toil at all hours of the day and night to keep this site fresh and active.
Best Wishes,
John M
[REPLY – “The roadies don’t mind. So, won’t you stay just a little bit longer . . .” ~ Evan]
Thank you, thank you, thank you from here too! The keepers of WUWT have performed above and beyond all expectations. As I mentioned in an earlier post, daylight is the best disinfectant – and the WUWT crew keeps the light shining.
Messrs watts and mcintyre may never receive official recognition but your unstinting efforts to promote SCIENCE are one of the great contributions to world progress. Instead of wasting money on fighting warming we can focus on real issues. Keep it up. The battle won, not yet the war
Best moderators on the planet.
I have been following WUWT for 18 months and I have the highest respect for Anthony and the moderators (and please allow me to include CA and Steve McIntyre in this).
You are doing the world a great service, succeeding where some “scientists” and the MSM are failing.
Thank you very much, please keep it up!
This is one of the few places where the climate debate has both sides of the coin and I really enjoy the artcles and reading peoples informed views. The truth is important, so my thanks also to Anthony and his team.
Picture of Daphne or the comment did not happen.
“nothothere (21:19:33) :
The “Greenhouse Effect” Revisited, again;”
Very lucid post, thank you; even I understood it.
Ditto to all of the above . I found this site about a year ago , and have read it daily ever since ( except on rare days when I was away from a computer ) . In addition to Anthony and his crew , I would also like to thank all of the posters , and many of the commenters as well . You have all helped me immeasureably . For the last couple of years , I have told anyone who would listen – they are few and far between – that the proponents of AGW have a social and political agenda that had little to do with the environment . Not only have you helped me to prove that , you have helped me with the science behind it .
I also would like to contribute to the your work , Anthony . I emailed surfacestations.org about sending a check , as I don’t do financial stuff on line , but haven’t heard back , although I certainly understand why . Will the address in Chico work ? To whom do I make it out ? ( Just email me if you wish . ) Thanks again .
Anthony’s WUWT and McIntyre and McKitrick and their brave tilting at the AGW monster are already destined for starring roles in the history of science for their efforts and influence on the AGW story – from no matter what perspectives future historians write. Their efforts will not be forgotten, and hopefully the spirit of truth will prevail in the recounting.
I don’t know how long it will take for the AGW paradigm to be overturned: for eugenics the worm was turning by the early 1930s, about 20 years after eugenic began to be accepted as mainstream science. It took Hitler’s eugenically-motivated racial cleansing of Jews and others to kill eugenics, although it still survives surreptitiously in medical science and genetics. Many scientists, however, were not renewing their memberships in the eugenics societies before the pseudoscience was fully rejected. Hopefully it will not take a similarly violent cataclysm to kill AGW in mainstream thinking.
I’d love to know how many scientists lurk and post at this sight. Is there any way to take an anonymous pole? I still think it will take a while before sceptics can come out of the closet at their respective institutions due to PC groupthink and the ostracism one can suffer for embracing what are seen as anti-social views. However the events of the past week, handled with such grace and humour by Anthony and the moderators, will surely speed up this process. Thanks to all of you!
I would like to add my own “well done” and Thankyou all to make this blog possible, and as valuable as it is.
I learned first hand years ago how media and the news could be biased and manipulated to push an agenda when I worked in state government. On several occasions I had the opportunity to sit in the back of the room during a press conference and then go home and watch both the local and national news conference coverage.
It was a revelation to see how much editorial twisting of the facts or when video scenes were cut effected the tone and content of the message. Sometimes it was difficult to believe the reporters were reporting on the same news event. In many cases without the personal background of having sat in the room during the actual news conference the average viewer would have absolutely no idea that the message they were seeing was being skewed by either intentional editorial control or personal biases imposed unconsciously by certain reporters and news directors in how the story was edited.
With that background I instinctively distrusted the AGW message as I could see all the signs and symptoms of pathological spin control. Things like instantaneous adoption of the exact same “talking points” and the methodical use of the same pejorative terms like “deniers”, the continuous redirection of arguments to tangents when uncomfortable questions were asked, and the persistent resistance to actually answer the question asked but to redefine the question and give a canned answer.
I finally found WUWT a little over a year ago, and what a breath of fresh air! Even people who obviously shared the same skeptical view of the science of global warming would not let poorly reasoned or documented assertions stand from other skeptics. They consistently held each others feet to the fire of good science and honest inquiry.
I hope history will give this blog the credit it deserves (along with a handful of other major contributors ). This blog should be mandatory reading for undergraduates in the physical sciences to show them by example that good science works, and how it works. Most importantly in an increasingly disrespectful world, demonstrate that you can debate an issue with out being a jerk, and verbally abusive.
Again thank you all, Anthony, moderators and all the fine contributors that makes this web site so enjoyable to visit.
Larry
I used to believe in AGW. A few years back I saw a report on BBC TV Panorama about Global Dimming and to cut a long story short it ended with flames coming out of the sea from the deep down frozen methane, rising tides and hot temps. I was so alarmed at this that I thought “what’s the point of having kids if this is the future?” Then I found WUWT and learned about past temps, sea levels, co2 levels etc., were all naturally caused and realised we are all still here. No runaway, no flames, no crisis. Today I feel much more confident about the future.
Thanks to Anthony, Charles, DB, and Evan.
Absolutely. And thanks to McIntyre, McKitrick, Id, and everyone else who has pursued the AGW myth with rigor, pluck, and fortitude. The battle is not over, but the tide has turned. And all due credit for that goes to the friends and associates of WUWT.
Muchas gracias.
[REPLY – It’s our battle of Moscow. Stalingrad lies ahead. And Kursk after that . . . ~ Evan]
I was watching the Rugby this afternoon and missed the momentous occasion.
25,043,901 hits (I missed the 25 million point, Did anyone see it?)
Congratulations to Anthony and the team here.
And a great many thanks for all of the work you all put in.
While the blogs are excellent (even though I have disagreed with one or two), it is the comment section that I am most thankful for. It is here that the common person can chew, digest, and discuss these issues and theories, and at a higher level than is afforded us in our own little worlds. I learn from posting my comments and from reading others. It is the discussion that burnishes the precious metal. So thank you for your generous spirit in allowing our debate and your light hand in keeping us civil.
Hats off and three very loud cheers for Anthony, McIntyre, McKitrick, Morano and all the others who’ve worked tirelessly and selflessly to help people like myself and millions of others around the world the truth about this scam.
People like you are the reason humanity survives and thrives in every age despite the two-step dance it takes going forward.
Hip Hip …
Anthony and your moderation team of Charles, DB, and Evan, for what its worth, I also commend you for the excellent work you are doing, communicating, broadcasting and moderating (including my occassional ad homs flung out of frustration).
Keep up the good work. Well done.
I feel very repetitive in saying the same thing as all the other posters. Thank you for all your work, everybody. This is an exceptionally informative website, one of the very best. (I don’t want to slight CA and several others.)
I recommend that “our” team be awarded a Nobel Prize, a “real” one and not a devalued “Peace Prize”, for their work.
IanM
enough said;
“6. What sets the earths effective radiative temperature is the atmospheric lapse rate which drives the local IR level radiated to space.
Do not buy into the AGW spin argument of 1/2 up 1/2 down. It is incredible how many people do.”
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Thank you for that.
Time and again I read that radiation is basically irrelevant within pressures of 1 bar or so and yet everybody goes right back to ignoring collision and convection.
On topic: Anthony, slow down with the posts already. Let me get some work done. And save my marriage!
paullm (23:56:15) :
” . . . command center . . . ”
Yes WUWT is a strategic command center. But not is the military/war sense, tather in the “support of reason”, plain and simple.
Thanks Anthony and your remarkable team.
John
“This has been the most intellectually thrilling week ever!” Reading it is fun in a von Daniken kind of way.
Kind of like prisonplanet.
I’d like to add my sincere thanks to Anthony and the staff here at WUWT. I’ve been a lurker for a couple of years now, just reading and learning. What you have done here is create a place for those of us who have always been skeptics to go without fear of being blasted and criticized, called names, etc., where science is actually debated and bad science is called into question. I can’t thank you enough.
Keep up the good work. And you’ve got my vote for a Pulitzer as well.
Kay
USA
This is sort of off-topic, though I’ve seen worse.
In the spirit of providing a more active thank you to Anthony and the underpaid moderators, here’s something to help deal with a significant WordPress shortcoming – the lack of a decent Table of Contents.
I think I mentioned this once on a post (20,000,000 read?) where Anthony asked for suggestions. The recent combination of a flood of posts and a rare free day have lead to this new software hack. (Hack in the good sense!)
I’ve uploaded sample before-it’s-ready results to:
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/WUWT-toc-2009-09.html
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/WUWT-toc-2009-10.html
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/WUWT-toc-2009-11.html
It’s about four pages of Python code and uses
http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/
I have thoughts of making separate TOCs for the various categories, get things in the right chronological order, put things into a database so I can crank our more TOCs, various indexes, and maybe do some searching. Making thumbnails of the lead artwork might be a good idea too – images are easier to scan than text. Some of the titles are coming up as “None,” that should be easy to hunt down tonight.
Anthony – please don’t turn this into its own post. While Comcast claims not to have a download limit, they shutdown people who use too much bandwidth. The marketing hand doesn’t wash the entworking operations hand. I just want to get this out on a small scale and see what the reaction is.
-Ric
I changed the file names since I decided to use a dedicated directory, now see
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/toc-2009-08.html
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/toc-2009-09.html
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/toc-2009-10.html
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/toc-2009-11.html
Anthony
My computer time has been severely limited in the last couple weeks, and I missed this post when it first appeared, so I’d like to add my belated thanks and congratulations to you and your mods for your almost unbelievable service. I’ve been frequenting this site since the early summer of 07, when it was dedicated almost exclusively to highlighting the numerous siting problems of the surface station network and watching it grow in breadth and influence in these all too interesting times has given me hope that hard work and dedication can still be rewarded in this country. The grace and equanimity you have demonstrated in the face of the calumnies and abuse that have often been rained down on you by the alarmist crowd prove that you are a better man than me. In similar circumstances I fear I would have succumbed to a CRU like impulse to seek out the more egregious actors and pound knots on their heads. I haven’t always found all the science presented here convincing, but your open manner of dealing with comments has assured that the relative strengths and weaknesses of each post has been fairly thoroughly illuminated by the time the thread fizzles out, for all who take the time to read. It would be great if this kind of real time peer review could become the model for science going forward, but I fear the difficulty with that plan would be in finding a sufficient number of individuals who share your inherent decency to man the portals of such fora to maintain the level of integrity you’ve demonstrated. Thanks again for your invaluable work.
@Ric 20:56:09
Thank you for a very useful tool, I am sure I will find it very useful. You have done a great Job!
Thank you Anthony. Keep up the fantastic work on this wonderful resource.