Cleaned 11/11/09
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People are beginning to wake up to the climate profiteers like Algore. This from BBC New site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8343489.stm
CARBON TRADING: DOES IT REALLY REDUCE EMISSIONS?
…Carbon trading could trigger a financial collapse like the sub-prime loans crisis, according to a new report from the green group Friends of the Earth (FoE).
…The carbon trade allows dirty industries in rich countries to offset emissions targets by paying for clean development projects in poor countries. London is a major centre for the trade, which could reach trillions of dollars in the next few decades.
But FoE says most trades are done not by polluting industries, but by speculative traders packaging carbon credits into complex financial products similar to those which triggered the sub-prime mortgage crash. It warns that this could lead to a future crisis of sub-prime carbon. …
HMMM – I wonder if that might give them an incentive to bellyache about supposed sea level changes and the West’s duty to pay?
‘Rising inflation is posing a threat to South Asia, with the situation most worrying in the Maldives where a foreign currency black market has emerged, a senior World Bank economist has warned. Noting that the median inflation rate in South Asia was more than twice that of Latin America and the Caribbean, economist Eliana Cardoso asked whether policymakers in the region should be concerned “and wonder whether they are doing something wrong.” In the third quarter of 2009, inflation in South Asia, which aside from the Maldives comprises India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bhutan, hit an average 10.9 percent, the World Bank said. It compares with just 2.9 percent in Latin America and the Caribbean. “From the price stability perspective the most worrying situation is that of the Maldives,” Cardoso, the bank’s chief economist for the South Asian region, wrote on the “World Bank’s End Poverty in South Asia” blog. She said that the budget deficit in Maldives, the region’s most exotic tourist des tination, was projected to reach 33 percent by the end of the year and “a black market for foreign currency has emerged.” Cardoso noted that the Maldives government had promised fiscal adjustment. President Mohamed Nasheed has said that his atoll nation was facing its worst economic crisis ever because of a sharp fall in tourist numbers and chronic government overspending.’
http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/091111/1/4rx3i.html
Wish our press here in NZ would start looking more carefully at there facts, some more IPCC scaremongering on Antarctica’s ice thinning
http://www.3news.co.nz/World/Story/tabid/417/articleID/129447/cat/61/Default.aspx
Quickly found this graphic in another story about thinning ice, but to me it actually looks like things are thickening in most places. If I’m reading it right, blue indicates thickening ice…
http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=541
Are you really coming to Brussels for the climate conference in the Euopean Parliament on 18 November?
http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.php/dadgd/article/kritische_klimakonferenz_im_europa_parlament/
So far, I only found the link above, but it is nowhere to be found (yet) on the website of the European Parliament – They do mention Pacchauri’s talk on 03 December…
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/expert/infopress_page/064-64172-315-11-46-911-20091110IPR64171-11-11-2009-2009-false/default_en.htm
Svensmark will also debate the night before on the European Spaceweather Week in Bruges – See http://sidc.oma.be/news/116/welcome.html
I was surprised by the Spainish claim of 50%+ energy supplied from wind last week. Then I read this article in the Register. Never heard of that paper before. It goes a bit wild near the end of the article but it did help me to understand how 50% was possible and why it does not indicate that wind is better than I had thought. The spiking effect is explained well and the need for quick response power generation. Although it discusses that in terms of pumped storage or HEP from damns I suppose gas stations could respond quickly as well. Probably not as quickly as needed though, and even gas is not liked by environmentalists.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/10/spain_half_wind_powered/
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Ian Plimer interviewed on “Today” – BBC radio’s flagship news programme.
Listen here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8356000/8356114.stm
The times are a-changing!
Further to above: it’s the 08:52 segment.
I don’t know if anyone else has seen this about a Church in Berkshire, UK intending to be carbon neutral, but apart from reinforcing the idea that Climate Change belief is now a religion, it makes me furious to think that this house of god see’s no problem in raising £900,000 to enabling them to achieve this ! I can think of a number of charities and good causes that this sum of money would have real and welcome benefits to them.
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/8353928.stm
How Spitsbergen Heats the World–The Arctic Warming 1919-1939
http://www.arctic-heats-up.com/index.html
The Science Museum just chopped off 1500 “count me out votes”
From http://wermenh.com/proveitraw.html
What’s up with that?
if I look carefully at your World Climate Widget, it looks to me that since about 2001 we have a slight decline in global warming, or shall we say: global cooling has started.
This seems to coincide with the increase in earth’s albedo, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/17/earths-albedo-tells-a-interesting-story/
although I think this graph may need some updating (look Palle et al 2008)
As I suspected, I found that at the same time ozone has begun increasing.
http://atmoz.org/blog/2007/09/05/ozone-hole-update/
I also note that CO2 is increasing (it seems trhere is no doubt about that). CO2 also reflects sunlight. We also note that water vapor is increasing, due to human activities, mostly shallow water (dams for irrigation). So all in all, I think the increase in earth’s albedo will hold, and it wipes out the effect normally attributed greenhouse gases!
Antarctic iceberg found floating near Macquarie island
Australian Biologist spots ‘huge floating island of ice’ halfway between New Zealand and Antarctica. Estimated to be about 50m high – from the waterline – and 500m long, the iceberg is currently to be found floating about five miles (8km) off the north-west of Macquarie island.
“The bonkers bike book for bobbies”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2725862/Cops-draw-up-93-page-guide-on-how-to-ride-a-bike.html
This is for those who do not know Britain and would like to see what type of country the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland is becoming.
(PhysOrg.com) — The scalding-hot sea that supposedly covered the early Earth may in fact never have existed, according to a new study by Stanford University researchers who analyzed isotope ratios in 3.4 billion-year-old ocean floor rocks. Their findings suggest that the early ocean was much more temperate and that, as a result, life likely diversified and spread across the globe much sooner in Earth’s history than has been generally theorized.
http://www.physorg.com/news177168552.html
Might this change notions about the early climate on Earth that would impact any climate models in use today? If not then the climate models are inaccurate.
Ric Werme (05:25:13) : Some odd mannipulation is happening at the Science Museum Prove It Poll. About 2000 votes have recently been added to the out side (having had 1500 removed earlier) and 1460 added to the in side. The score is currently 4443 in against 7235 out. The “adjustments” give the ins approximately an extra 1460 and the outs an extra 500. Is this Afghan effect or merely climate science in action?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6553592/Climate-change-sceptic-Ian-Plimer-argues-CO2-is-not-causing-global-warming.html
Richard Black of the BBC reports that ‘Greenlands ice loss is accelerating’ according to Science journal. Any comments?
Greenland ice loss ‘accelerating’
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website
Page last updated at 20:29 GMT, Thursday, 12 November 2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8357537.stm
“If you multiply these numbers up it puts us well beyond the IPCC estimates for 2100”
– Professor Roger Barry
Hey, how about those Miss Earth 2009 contestants! Hubba hubba, right? And look at that! Miss El Salvador rode her BIKE all the way to the Philippines. Or maybe not… http://3.ly/6R4
http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/evt2_225.pdf
contains a link to an article in Physics Letters 2009 by Douglass and Knox about ocean heating anomalies that can be explained by ocean floor heating. I have not read the article ,only a summary, but this is an interesting and little explored area.
This Week in SCIENCE, Volume 326, Issue 5955
dated November 13 2009, is now available at:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol326/issue5955/twis.dtl
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,26343746-38200,00.html?from=public_rss
THE World Council of Churches has called on churches around the world to ring their bells 350 times during the Copenhagen climate change summit on December 13 as a call to action on global warming.
The leading council of Christian and Orthodox churches also invited places of worship for other faiths to join a symbolic “chain of chimes and prayers” stretching around the world from the international date line in the South Pacific.
“On that Sunday, midway through the UN summit, the WCC invites churches around the world to use their bells, drums, gongs or whatever their tradition offers to call people to prayer and action in the face of climate change,” the council said in a statement.
“By sounding their bells or other instruments 350 times, participating churches will symbolize the 350 parts per million that mark the safe upper limit for CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere according to many scientists,” it added.
The chimes are meant to start at 3pm local time in each location.
The WCC brings together 348 Protestant, Orthodox and Anglican churches representing about 560 million Christians in 110 countries.
The UN summit in the Danish capital on December 7 to 18 is meant to produce a new global treaty to broaden cuts in emissions of greenhouse gases blamed for climate change, but the negotiations are still driven by disagreements.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091111/ts_afp/chinaweathersnow
Chinese scientists artificially induced the second major snowstorm to wreak havoc in Beijing this season, state media said, reigniting debate over the practice of tinkering with Mother Nature.
After the earliest snow to hit the capital in 22 years fell on November 1, the capital was again shrouded in white Tuesday with more snow expected in the coming three days, the National Meteorological Centre said.
The China Daily, citing an unnamed official, said the Beijing Weather Modification Office had artificially induced both storms by seeding clouds with chemicals, a practice that can increase precipitation by up to 20 percent….
Being reported that an Nor’easter of “historic proportion” is hammering the coast from North Carolina to New Jersey.
Well, ok, global warming can stay a little while longer
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicturegalleries/6501052/Miss-Earth-2009-contest.html?image=2
Ian Plimer makes front page at drudge—again!
Scientist: CO2 not causing global warming…
http://www.drudgereport.com/
“We cannot stop carbon emissions because most of them come from volcanoes,” he said. “It is a normal element cycled around in the earth and my science, which is looking back in time, is saying we have had a planet that has been a green, warm wet planet 80 per cent of the time. We have had huge climate change in the past and to think the very slight variations we measure today are the result of our life – we really have to put ice blocks in our drinks.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6553592/Climate-change-sceptic-Ian-Plimer-argues-CO2-is-not-causing-global-warming.html
imon (14:50:21) :
Greenland ice loss ‘accelerating’
Professor Barry cautioned that the Grace mission, which has produced valuable data about Antarctica as well as Greenland, has only a further two years to run, and that no replacement is currently scheduled.
More alarmist findings from a cargo cult scientist.
Of the same report from another source he makes this bleedingly obvious observation.
At the same time that surface melting started to increase around 1996, snowfall on the ice sheet also increased at approximately the same rate, masking surface mass losses for nearly a decade. Moreover, a significant part of the additional meltwater refroze in the cold snowpack that covers the ice sheet. Without these moderating effects, post-1996 Greenland mass loss would have been double the amount of mass loss observed now.
So if it hadn’t kept snowing, melting and refreezing there would have been more ice lost. It’s lucky for us Greenland has been doing that for the last 11 thousand years.
http://bristol.ac.uk/news/2009/6659.html
Physics paper proving that there can be no such thing as an atmospheric greenhouse effect. I’m not qualified to comment on this, but some WUWT readers certainly are: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0707.1161v4 (PDF)
REPLY: Thanks, but the Gerlich paper has all sorts of errors in it, we don’t give it much value here. – Anthony
“War on Climate Change”
http://www.theengineer.co.uk/Articles/Article.aspx?liArticleID=314011
“The UK government should attack climate change as if it were a war, according to a new report from the Institute of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE).”
The UK emits what, 2% of global emissions, and these guys are up in arms about a 60-80% reduction of that?!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6559454/Prof-Ian-Plimer-tenets-of-a-climate-change-sceptic.html
Lou Dobbs is leaving CNN. It will be interesting where he resurfaces in the media and if he becomes an active advocate for a realistic view of climate change.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/11/12/lou-dobbs-resignation-what-next-for-controversial-cnn-anchor/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/01/06/cnn-s-lou-dobbs-belief-global-warming-almost-religion
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Gene Nemetz (23:15:36) :
> Well, ok, global warming can stay a little while longer
I like image 7, “Say ‘No!’ to excessive packaging”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicturegalleries/6501052/Miss-Earth-2009-contest.html?image=6
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8357537.stm
This featured in a big, hysterically alarmist way throughout the night here in the UK
On top of which the World Service of the BBC [Radio] is broadcasting regular eye witness accounts from Africa where the locals are blaming everything on Climate Change and seeking compensation from guess who?
BBC Bias? I think the UK contribution to atmospheric CO2 is around 1.6%.
“Nick Luke (05:51:41) :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8357537.stm
This featured in a big, hysterically alarmist way throughout the night here in the UK”
Someone better tell the local community [see third paragraph down on this site]
http://www.ilulissat.gl/En/Turisme/Isfjorden/index.html
that their glacier is receding. Someone is lying. By the way a glacier over the sea is surely an iceshelf?
cheers David
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/carbon/6527970/Everyone-in-Britain-could-be-given-a-personal-carbon-allowance.html
“Lord Smith of Finsbury believes that implementing individual carbon allowances for every person will be the most effective way of meeting the targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
It would involve people being issued with a unique number which they would hand over when purchasing products that contribute to their carbon footprint, such as fuel, airline tickets and electricity. “
Just as a reminder that we in the U.S. are not always the whackiest population on the planet, the U.K. likes to jump out front with things like personal carbon rations.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/carbon/6527970/Everyone-in-Britain-could-be-given-a-personal-carbon-allowance.html
We’ve seen this coming for a long time…and I frequently “discusss” with friends and neighbors that if they support the climate bill, they’ll need to pay for carbon relief for their lawnmover, weedwhacker, chainsaw, and pets, wood/pellet stoves, gas ranges, and every other thing the government can think of to levy a fee against.
JimB
It is starting to annoy me to see chirping coming from psychologists regarding psychological impact of global warming. Climate depot mentions 2 articles.
http://www.psysr.org/about/programs/climate/projects/letter/
Heat, fear and anxiety. None of them offer research and long term studies. Actually humans for example living in elPaso, Phoenix, Tucson etc addapt very well to hot and dry.
We haven’t even proven things will be warm and drier. Lots of jumping on the band wagon but no studies. I am very ashamed of fellow psychologists.
Anthony,
Just to let you know I will stop hitting this web site. The web is terrible for immodesty and outright nudity. The recent mermaid and now this add by google have convinced me this is no longer a “safe” web site. Just wanted to pass it on so you can decide if you want to do something about it.
UGO.com Counts Down The 50 Hottest Women Of Science Fiction- W/Pics!
The article is in French but basically the large Large Hadron Collider at CERN has been stopped by a bird and a piece of bread…
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/64/20091113/twl-le-collisionneur-du-cern-victime-d-u-acb1c83.html
United Nation’s Initiative 21 on track to require U.S. to forfeit its sovereignty and lifestyle (culture) in the name of green sustainability and global warming.
What the?? Snow on Hawaii.. How does this affect the CO2 devices at Mauna Loa?
El Nino?
http://www.kitv.com/weather/21601501/detail.html
Joe (08:36:14),
Anthony doesn’t post the ads, they’re automatically generated by Google. They’re pretty much the same ones you’ll find on most other sites.
That one was very tame. I don’t know how anyone could really object. At least that’s what my *ahem* due diligence indicated.
Anthony,
Please post something here. You are much more articulate than most of us. Two poor EPA employees posted a slightly skeptical view of Cap and Trade on YouTube and had to take it down because they mentioned that they worked for the EPA. This was an ethics violation. Maybe true, but compared to the unbelievable antics of Hansen, this is truly bald-faced hypocrisy. Thousands of personal appearances, getting arrested, etc is okay, but one crappy little 10 minute YouTube posting gets you censured?!?!
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=44013&sid=61
You have to check this out to believe it.
Your avid follower in Italy (soon to be avid follower in Japan),
Keith
Antony
Cryosphere Today 11/09/2009
Partial graphs
Artic Basin -0,25
Leptev Sea +0,00
Bering Sea -0,02
East Siberian Sea +0,00
St. Lawrence Sea -0,01
Chukchi Sea +0,05
Baffin/Newfoundland +0,30
Greenland Sea -0,05
Canadian Archipelago +0,02
Barents Sea -0,22
Kara Sea -0,32
Okhotsk Sea +0,00
Total -0,50
Total graph Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Area
-1,15
There is another area to cover the difference?
Addition of the partial ones does not have to be equal to the total?
Sorry Anthony, no Antony
Hi Anthony
Here is an interesting article just published in New Scientist about the sudden onset of the Younger Dryas
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427344.800-mini-ice-age-took-hold-of-europe-in-months.html
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
Falsi cation Of
The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse E ects
Within The Frame Of Physics
Short form, the “greenhouse effect” we here so much about is false since that is not actually how a greenhouse works. The theory is that sunlight enters the greenhouse, is converted to long wave radiation, which cannot get back out through the glass and thus is trapped inside, heating the greenhouse. This was tested by making a greenouse of rock salt which is transperent to infra red radiation. The theory would then be that sunlight enters through the rock salt glass, is converted to long wave radiation, and then exits right back out through the rock salt glass which is transperent to long wave radiation, which should result in a cold greenhouse.
The actual effect, a hot greenhouse, in fact, slightly hotter than the regular glass greenhouse. Reason, greenhouses don’t heat up due to the trapping of long wave radiation by the glass, thye heat up due to the sun heating the ground and objects inside the greenhouse, which then warms the air by contact, the sole reason the air gets warmer is that the glass keeps this air warmed by contact with the heated ground from being blown away by the wind.
In short, there is absolutly NO “greenhouse effect” in existance which has any comparison to our atmosephere.
Sarah
For a completely different take on the Younger Dryas, see:
https://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5910/94
Summaries of this research that are not behind a paywall can be easily found by a Google search.
Don’t know who to believe…
John
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/725438–hemingway-a-hack-says-computer-marking-system
read this article while thinking of how computers are used and rejected for…
I love that part: “Humans are “90 per cent emotions and 10 per cent logic”
or, “These computer systems are widespread in the America and they’re coming over to the U.K. on an economic cost justification basis. Our contention is that bad programming gives bad results. We welcome these computers for some things, but not everything.”
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Interesting maps:
http://wxmaps.org/pix/hemi.fcst.html
and
http://wxmaps.org/pix/hemi4.00hr.png
MartinGAtkins (01:07:48) :
Greenland ice loss ‘accelerating’
Of the same report from another source he makes this bleedingly obvious observation.
At the same time that surface melting started to increase around 1996, snowfall on the ice sheet also increased at approximately the same rate, masking surface mass losses for nearly a decade. Moreover, a significant part of the additional meltwater refroze in the cold snowpack that covers the ice sheet. Without these moderating effects, post-1996 Greenland mass loss would have been double the amount of mass loss observed now.
This is so funny I wanted to see it again.
Between 1997 and 1998 project SHEBA was conducted in the Arctic funded by NSF, the U.S. Office of Naval Research, and the Japanese government. I wonder if the sponsors asked for their money back because having spent a year in the arctic this was one of the conclusions of this important study:
“In addition to altering salinity, melting sea ice also raises worldwide sea levels, with potentially significant effects for coastal cities and towns”.
Here are the opening and closing dates of the Canadian Ice Roads since 1983.
http://www.dot.gov.nt.ca/_live/pages/wpPages/Open_Close_Dates_Ice_Bridges.aspx
Great interview from a Lord:
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=5149
From The Times November 14, 2009
Global warming is not our fault, say most voters in Times poll
Less than half the population believes that human activity is to blame for global warming, according to an exclusive poll for The Times.
Only 41 per cent accept as an established scientific fact that global warming is taking place and is largely man-made. Almost a third (32 per cent) believe that the link is not yet proved; 8 per cent say that it is environmentalist propaganda to blame man and 15 per cent say that the world is not warming.
Aligner,
I just noticed this chart, which shows that current temps are the same as they were in 1901: click.
“Environmentalist propaganda” is the correct answer; it just depends on your starting point. [Actually, there is completely normal and natural warming. But it's so small that it's nothing to get alarmed about.]
Aligner (18:14:03) :
“From The Times November 14, 2009
Global warming is not our fault, say most voters in Times poll”
There is some weird stuff in the poll you refer to. While it shows that it is only the Government and not the people that have been suckered by the AGW camp, people still want higher taxes on “gas guzzlers”. Why? Envy?
Would be interesting to know just how much of the damages from heavy snow were related to the cloud seeding… and the final paragraph makes one wonder if they were playing with cloud seeding last year too perhaps.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/world/early-snow-storms-in-china-kill-40-damage-more-than-9000-buildings-659-million-in-damage-70091832.html
Early snow storms in China kill 40, damage more than 9,000 buildings; $659 million in damage
Associated Press
11/14/09 2:25 AM EST
BEIJING — Unusually early snow storms in north-central China have claimed 40 lives, caused thousands of buildings to collapse and destroyed almost 500,000 acres (200,000 hectares) of winter crops, the Civil Affairs Ministry said Friday.
Nineteen of the deaths resulted from traffic accidents related to the storms that began Nov. 9, the ministry said in a statement on its Web site.
The snowfall is the heaviest in the northern and central provinces of Hebei, Shanxi, Shaanxi, Shandong and Henan since record keeping began after the establishment of the Communist state in 1949, the ministry said without giving detailed figures. It estimated economic losses from the storm at 4.5 billion yuan (US$659 million).
((SNIP – cut middle out to minimize length & for copyright))
Freak snow and ice storms last year hit parts of eastern and southern China unaccustomed to such weather. Those storms paralyzed key transport systems just as millions of migrant workers were heading home for the Lunar New Year holiday, leading to more than 80 deaths and billions of dollars in damage.
I have just been reading this paper by David W. J. Thompson, John J. Kennedy, John M. Wallace & Phil D. Jones http://www.atmos.colostate.edu/ao/ThompsonPapers/Thompson_etal_Nature2008.pdf in which it states
Hence, the sudden drop in SSTs in late 1945 is consistent with the
rapid but uncorrected change from engine room intake measure-
ments (US ships) to uninsulated bucket measurements (UK ships)
at the end of the Second World War. As the drop derives from the
composition of the ICOADS data set, it is present in all records of
twentieth-century climate variability that include SST data.
The Met Office Hadley Centre is currently assessing the adjust-
ments required to compensate for the step in 1945 and subsequent
changes in the SST observing network.
The point here is that if this step is removed we have an almost continuous and monatomic increase in global temperatures from 1900 and given that the amount of CO2 emitted by fossil fuel burning was relatively low before 1950 http://www.wri.org/chart/global-emissions-co2-from-fossil-fuels-1900-2004 I have to ask the question whether a significant driver for the increase in atmospheric CO2 is temperature with an overlay from the effects of fossil fuel burning etc. in the latter half of the 20th century.
Hi Oldjim, the result should be like this:
http://blog.sme.sk/blog/560/195013/hadsstssn.jpg
My theory is, that the sudden drop was introduced intentionally, first to erase still warm period of fifties and second, to get the global temperatures rising till 1945, then sudden step down and rising still faster from 1945 to 200X.
This wrong SST record contaminated all global datasets, PDO index and so on. See that ground stations show cyclical ups and downs during the 20th century with no such step whatsoever.
Phil’s Dad (19:51:20) :
Aligner (18:14:03) :
“From The Times November 14, 2009
Global warming is not our fault, say most voters in Times poll”
There is some weird stuff in the poll you refer to. While it shows that it is only the Government and not the people that have been suckered by the AGW camp, people still want higher taxes on “gas guzzlers”. Why? Envy?
Traffic.
You probably know there’s a English translation of the Finnish hockeystick TV program with McIntyre and Lindzen…, but anyway:
http://dotsub.com/view/19f9c335-b023-4a40-9453-a98477314bf2
Anthony —
Check out the new BAS report on plankton growth in waters formerly covered by the Larsen Ice shelf. It turns out that they are gobbling up CO2 — Mother Nature’s way of saying “Le Chatelier’s Principle”!
I see some picked up on the heavy snow in China.
” December 7th, 1941 — a date which will live in infamy ”
December 7th 2009 (Copenhagen) Another day that will live in infamy??
Bloody cold in southern NZ today… I know just weather… Time to light the fire
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece
As regards the Times of London poll, link above by Neil Jones [no relation] the news actually appears on the front page of the Saturday edition and is followed up by a piece of polemic in the first leader, that is the first and most mportant and political editorial. I shall of course write a letter.
As to large SUVs known here as Chelsea tractors it is I suspect less to do with envy and more to do with the way they block up our rather narrow streets. Nobody minds Land Rovers in the countryside for that is where they belong: but not these monsters used as commuter vehicles taking up valuable road space in our cities: it is not even as if they ever go to the country. Well they might get muddy.
Kindest Regards
http://tdn.com/articles/2009/11/14/breaking_news/doc4afdeaddd3629481848741.txt
“Eighty British tourists on a journey to watch emperor penguins in the Antarctic have been stranded for a week after their cruise ship got stuck in the ice.” “Among those on board are a BBC crew filming The Frozen Planet, a nature documentary series produced by Alastair Fothergill, who also made Blue Planet. ”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/antarctica-trapped-ship-penguin-cruise
“The Frozen Planet is a forthcoming nature documentary series, co-produced by the BBC and the Discovery Channel and filmed by the BBC Natural History Unit.” “Filming is currently underway, and will focus particularly on the challenges facing polar bears and Arctic wolves in the north and adelie penguins and wandering albatross in the south, although storylines are still being developed.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frozen_Planet
I do hope that the penguins will be able to adapt to the obvious effects of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming…
http://www.sailwx.info/hurricanes/stormreport.phtml?stormnum=524
A supposedly skeptical view of “Climate Change” at the JREF: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/774-with-friends-like-these.html
For a couple of days now when I’ve tried to get a temp map from the GISS web site I’ve gotten “server not responding” messages… The main NASA site works, though.
Any chance something is happening beyond server maintenance?…
Doesn’t work:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/
Works:
http://www.nasa.gov/
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/about/index.cfm
So, WUWT he wonders “aloud”…
Hmmm…. Even direct attempts to access the direct web servers behind the alias fails…
Snow-Book:~ chiefio$ host http://www.giss.nasa.gov
http://www.giss.nasa.gov is an alias for web3.giss.nasa.gov.
web3.giss.nasa.gov has address 169.154.204.35
web3.giss.nasa.gov mail is handled by 10 lamochila.giss.nasa.gov.
Snow-Book:~ chiefio$ host web1.giss.nasa.gov
web1.giss.nasa.gov has address 169.154.204.33
web1.giss.nasa.gov mail is handled by 10 lamochila.giss.nasa.gov.
Snow-Book:~ chiefio$ host web2.giss.nasa.gov
web2.giss.nasa.gov has address 169.154.204.81
web2.giss.nasa.gov mail is handled by 10 lamochila.giss.nasa.gov.
Snow-Book:~ chiefio$ host web3.giss.nasa.gov
web3.giss.nasa.gov has address 169.154.204.35
web3.giss.nasa.gov mail is handled by 10 lamochila.giss.nasa.gov.
Snow-Book:~ chiefio$
It looks like they have a “round robin” of multiple servers and ought to never have an outage. (Suppose they could have had a main router failure, but they ought to have redundant gateways… I’ve set them up for even little companies with less than 100 people. 2 routers, 2 power feeds, 2 ISPs, 2 telcos, 2 service entries. For bigger sites you use a remote site and just roll the routes. NASA ought to have all that and more…)
Just The Facts (22:46:24) :
You beat me to it. Laughing so much probably woke up the neighbours
Just The Facts (22:46:24) :
“Eighty British tourists on a journey to watch emperor penguins…”
He he :-)) Lets hope they get stuck there until after Christmas.
On a more serious note, I’m amazed that people are allowed to go up there. The Arctic has a very fragile biosphere and it would be ironic if Emperor penguins got wiped out by someone carrying a strain of avian flu. Stranger things have happened.
“Al Gore protest nov 14 2009 boca raton florida global warming fraud”
Hawaii’s White Beaches Washing Away
http://news.aol.com/article/hawaiis-white-beaches-washing-away/767520?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fhawaiis-white-beaches-washing-away%2F767520
Another story that has little to do with AGW, but they just couldn’t resist I suppose. They tell us first:
“Geologists say more than 70 percent of Kauai’s beaches are eroding while Oahu has lost a quarter of its sandy shoreline. They warn the problem is only likely to get significantly worse in coming decades as global warming causes sea levels to rise more rapidly.”
Then it goes on to the real, current reasons for the erosion:
“Chip Fletcher, a University of Hawaii geology professor, says scientists in Hawaii haven’t yet observed an accelerated rate of sea level rise due to global warming.
Instead, the erosion the islands are experiencing now is caused by several factors including a steady historical climb in sea levels that likely dates back to the 19th century.
Other causes include storms and human actions like the construction of seawalls, jetties, and the dredging of stream mouths. Each of these human actions disrupts the natural flow of sand.”
But then, lest we forget about:
“But a more rapid rise in sea levels, caused by global warming, is expected to contribute to erosion in Hawaii within decades. In 100 years, sea levels are likely to be at least 1 meter, or 3.3 feet, higher than they are now, pushing the ocean inland along coastal areas.”
From a post on Joanne Nova’s blog and well worth a visit:
There is a new comment on the post “Global Warming: A Classic Case of Alarmism”.
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/04/global-warming-a-classic-case-of-alarmism/
Author: Guennadi M
Comment:
A few days ago Google hooked up to the World Bank database and made available such things as CO2 usage per capita in different countries. Check it out: http://bit.ly/1BPJDY and more details available here: http://www.ausbusiness.net/review/world-bank-public-data-available-through-google/
GM
“Apec leaders drop climate target”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8360982.stm
“World leaders meeting in Singapore have said it will not be possible to reach a climate change deal ahead of next month’s UN conference in Denmark.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8361030.stm
Forecast from WEATHER ACTION
http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews09No85.pdf
“Countdown News to 17th-19th Nov Storms (issued 11th Nov)
Gales & heavy rain Britain & Ireland confirm 11-12/13th Nov forecast.
Major Storm 17th-19th Nov still very likely.”
Time will tell
This is a story from the Copenhagen conference’s web site. That site is worth watching, as it seeks to rationalize the conference.
Even if the USA – short of national climate change legislation – cannot commit to a legally binding global deal at the UN conference in Copenhagen next month, it may still engage in a limited deal. The purpose of this would be to ensure the world of the Obama administration’s good intentions.
“An interim, operational deal is not meant to be seen as a substitute for a real agreement. It’s meant to be seen as substantive building blocks to a full, legal agreement, and perhaps the best chance of getting such an agreement.” Todd Stern, US special envoy on climate change, says according to The Washington Post.
The American signals are in line with a suggestion last month by Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, host of the upcoming UN conference, for the conference in Copenhagen to result in a “political agreement” later to be replaced by a legally binding one.
Former vice president and Nobel peace prize winner Al Gore finds that it is easy to understand why such a solution would appeal to the USA.
“The disappointment in the world community that would accompany a failure of Copenhagen, if it were laid at the doorstep of the United States, would be significant. I’m optimistic that they will handle Copenhagen well. What’s important is that what emerges from Copenhagen is perceived as an important step forward,” Al Gore says according to The Washington Post.
“Experts say that fears surrounding climate change are overblown”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6905082.ece
“World has only ten years to control global warming, warns Met Office”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6574824/World-has-only-ten-years-to-control-global-warming-warns-Met-Office.html
“The finals results of the project will be presented at a symposium at the Met Office on Monday.”
Greetings to everyone, this is my very first post here but i am a fan of this blog nearly a year now. I am a teenager from North Greece. The reason i decided to write is because i wanted to congratulate everyone for helping this blog become so informative and useful independent from Main Stream Media’s rubbish reports regarding climate science. Special thanks towards Anthony Watts and the contributors of this blog for doing such a special job. You really do brilliant work. You people really helped me on thinking smarter about everything that refers to the word “climate”. This is my hobby my life and my dream. This will be my professional occupation in near future.
Today, I formed a group in facebook with the title : Climate Change Distorted by Media. I want to show to other people that climate science is not the Media junk they watch every day on the news. I may not be a meteorologist or a climatologist ( for now!) but at least i can persuade them by presenting them articles from other experienced people by providing links. Your blog is one of the best on internet talking about real climate science. I would really appreciate if i could have your permission to publish links with your articles. (presenting them as yours of course)
“Aubs (06:06:37) :
Hawaii’s White Beaches Washing Away”
Which is ridiculous. The seas around Britain have risen in the last 10,000 years and because of increased sedimentation the coast lines have expanded. The same phenomena can be seen in Bangladesh and the Maldives where Prof Morner demonstrated that land mass is increasing.
Anthony, Since snow reflects sunlight, what better way to cool the earth than to seed clouds and make extra snow fall?
Not to mention stimulus effect on sales of carrot sticks and charcoal!
http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/11/02/beijing-gets-early-snow-thank-cloud-seeding/
Actually I am serious. Would a massive seeding operation that extends the volume and duration of snow coverage have any meaningful impact on global temperatures? Any studies?
From Wikipdia:
“The classic example of albedo effect is the snow-temperature feedback. If a snow-covered area warms and the snow melts, the albedo decreases, more sunlight is absorbed, and the temperature tends to increase. The converse is true: if snow forms, a cooling cycle happens.”
From Wikipdia:
Snow
Snow albedos can be as high as 90%; this, however, is for the ideal example: fresh deep snow over a featureless landscape. Over Antarctica they average a little more than 80%. If a marginally snow-covered area warms, snow tends to melt, lowering the albedo, and hence leading to more snowmelt (the ice-albedo positive feedback).
Would result in two albedo’s – cloud formation and snow surface area.
How cloud seeding works
A ground-based Silver Iodide generator
The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide). The expansion of liquid propane into a gas has also been used and can produce ice crystals at warmer temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is increasing in popularity[citation needed] because of some promising research results[citation needed].
Seeding of clouds requires that they contain supercooled liquid water—that is, liquid water colder than zero degrees Celsius. Introduction of a substance such as silver iodide, which has a crystalline structure similar to that of ice, will induce freezing nucleation. Dry ice or propane expansion cools the air to such an extent that ice crystals can nucleate spontaneously from the vapor phase. Unlike seeding with silver iodide, this spontaneous nucleation does not require any existing droplets or particles because it produces extremely high vapor supersaturations near the seeding substance. However, the existing droplets are needed for the ice crystals to grow into large enough particles to precipitate out.
In mid-latitude clouds, the usual seeding strategy has been predicated upon the fact that the equilibrium vapor pressure is lower over ice than over water. When ice particles form in supercooled clouds, this fact allows the ice particles to grow at the expense of liquid droplets. If there is sufficient growth, the particles become heavy enough to fall as snow (or, if melting occurs, rain) from clouds that otherwise would produce no precipitation. This process is known as “static” seeding.
Seeding of warm-season or tropical cumulonimbus (convective) clouds seeks to exploit the latent heat released by freezing. This strategy of “dynamic” seeding assumes that the additional latent heat adds buoyancy, strengthens updrafts, ensures more low-level convergence, and ultimately causes rapid growth of properly selected clouds.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Using-Cloud-Seeding-GeoEngineering-to-Solve-Global-Warming
Anthony,
When the scientific community is vulnerable to accepting that global warming is not man made or not entirely so, it will more than likely need some ability to save face.
Thus there may come a time when a mechanism to “manage” temperatures becomes acceptable as a way of not having to admit to themselves that they were wrong in the first place.
Weather alteration to change long term climate trends could be that mechanism.
An interview with AlGore.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091115/NEWS08/911150340/Al+Gore+sees+global+shift+on+climate+change
Are you being tapped?
Flanders Today: Van Rompuy shows his hand at Bilderberg Group dinner
Prime Minister Herman Van Rompuy has to date been careful when it comes to stating overly explicit visions with regard to the European presidency. His low-key profile is, after all, his biggest asset when it comes to scooping the post. But Thursday night behind the closed doors of a Bilderberg Group gathering at the Castle of the Valley of the Duchess, he finally showed his hand, says De Tijd newspaper. The Bilderberg Group is a circle of elite figures from the international political, finance and corporate worlds that hold annual invitation-only meetings.
Van Rompuy told the elite club that the European government leaders are increasingly becoming proponents of Europe tapping off green income, so that the contributions of member states to the EU can be decreased. The economic revival will not suffice, said Van Rompuy, when it comes to eliminating the massive budgetary deficits in numerous member states. His assertion did not go unchallenged, and an Italian guest even put some tricky questions to him. De Tijd says that his pronouncement on a European green tax is already doing the rounds in the European capitals. It might rapidly become a weapon with which to attack his candidacy, the newspaper suggests.
Van Rompuy accepted the invitation of Etienne Davignon to address the gathering because the discretion of the Bilderberg Group has attained legendary status, and what is said at its meetings has never leaked out. Van Rompuy was also asked what role the first president of Europe should play. He responded that Europe needs a guiding president rather than a leading one.
De Tijd ; Saturday 14 November 2009
http://www.mediargus.be/flanderstoday.admin.en/rss/24083620.html?via=r ss&language=en
BTW: looking at urban dictionary, I think “to tap” has a slightly different meaning in the US than it does in the UK.
;-)
Its “Payback time for causing climate chaos” and “It isn’t simply a matter of asking the rich world to pay for the devastation that climate change is causing in the developing world.” “we believe that Britain should give developing countries £660 billion – which could be paid as just under £17bn a year through to 2050.”
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/83261
At least Morningstar writers Nick Dearden and Tim Jones are clear and forthright with their objectives…
Att: EM Smith & other interested persons
Looks to me like NOAA has just taken down its 2 lists of GHCN stations that were formerly posted at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_….
Sorry, the ends of those links don’t show on my bookmarks pull-down. Wouldn’t matter anyway, the listing has been removed.
One list purported to show stations actually in use; the other a larger list of stations that were eligible for use. Do you have them archived?
Myths are exposed
I noticed Al Gore’s new book has a big section about how bad mines are.
But why does he have a Zinc mine on his property to which he was received $570,000 in Royalities?? I want a Zinc mine too if he has one!
Interesting review in American Scientist of a book on scientific fraud: http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/physics-and-pixie-dust
This was interesting:
When colleagues occasionally expressed curiosity about how he prepared his samples or undertook his measurements, Schön could throw up his hands and explain that the apparatus was several thousand miles away. Schön also maintained that he was in the habit of deleting all computer files of raw data—he later claimed that his computers lacked adequate storage space to keep the original data files—saving instead only the results after data had passed through various layers of analysis.
Here’s a free idea for an animated cartoon. The plants, miffed at the animals cutting carbon dioxide emissions, sign a protocol limiting their own oxygen emissions. It ends well though, as they ask, “Can’t we all just get along?”
Watched a program tonight on BBC3. Alex Riley on disgusting food in Britain.
One of the points raise was use of unsustainable palm oil production for chocolate.
How much palm oil from clear-cut rainforest is for chocolate/foodstuffs/cosmetics & how much for bio-fuels?
All are wrong but would be nice to know.
DaveE.
Two stories from our local news:
“Officials have said the two storms in Beijing were artificially induced, sparking anger among capital-area residents, but the extent of the weather manipulation efforts remained unclear”.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26345142-5012761,00.html
“Previous studies have suggested the arrival of the last Ice Age nearly 13,000 years ago took about a decade – but now scientists believe the process was up to 20 times as fast”.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26355958-954,00.html
Craigo
Sarah from Saskatchewan noticed the ice age story on Friday (post above). But
https://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5910/94
has a completely different story. Don’t know how to reconcile them…
This is interesting. Take a look at this business investment brochure and see the real reason for Copenhagen………
http://www.angelnexus.com/o/web/17620
Anyone reading who use Comcast internet?
If there are, some help would be appreciated in the In The News section of the Community forums.
There’s an alarmist named Renewableguy who overloads every AGW thread with colorful charts and graphs and when confronted with opposing data claims it is all paid for by oil and coal interests.
At times it is hard to keep up with, question or refute all the alarmist info he posts.
They have (legally) logged a bunch of trees in Ghana and shipped them to London where they will stand in Trafalgar Square.
“Artist Angela Palmer went to a logging camp to locate naturally fallen trees for the exhibit.
Ms Palmer said: “The concept is to present a series of rainforest tree stumps as a ‘ghost forest’ – using the negative space created by the missing trunks as a metaphor for climate change, the absence representing the removal of the world’s ‘lungs’ through continued deforestation.” ”
The trees will then be shipped to Copenhagen in time for the climate love-in.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8361486.stm
I’m sure that many of you on this blog will have come across this before, as it’s from 2007, but I thought that I would post the link anyway.
http://www.ecoenquirer.com/sea-ice-trade.htm
There is some excellent reading to be had on this website!
“The Seven Principles Underpinning Public Life.”
This document is still in use. I would particularly draw attention to the statement on “Openness,”
“They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.”
… my emphasis (assuming it worked…)
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/pdf/sevenprinciples_publiclife.pdf
A reasonably good synopsis of the state of the debate and a general skeptics’ position:
http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=87134
We don’t understand how the sun works and we don’t understand how the clouds work, our understanding of Earth’s climate system is rudimentary at best.
a shockingly honest discussion from “The Nude Socialist” :)…
Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427344.800-mini-ice-age-took-hold-of-europe-in-months.html
JUST months – that’s how long it took for Europe to be engulfed by an ice age. The scenario, which comes straight out of Hollywood blockbuster The Day After Tomorrow, was revealed by the most precise record of the climate from palaeohistory ever generated.
Around 12,800 years ago the northern hemisphere was hit by the Younger Dryas mini ice age, or “Big Freeze”. It was triggered by the slowdown of the Gulf Stream, led to the decline of the Clovis culture in North America, and lasted around 1300 years.
Until now, it was thought that the mini ice age took a decade or so to take hold, on the evidence provided by Greenland ice cores. Not so, say William Patterson of the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada, and his colleagues.
Triggered by slowdown of gulf stream, or by impact event?
From: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090101172136.htm
Last year a 26-member team from 16 institutions proposed that a cosmic impact event, possibly by multiple airbursts of comets, set off a 1,300-year-long cold spell known as the Younger Dryas, fragmented the prehistoric Clovis culture and led to the extinction of a large range of animals, including mammoths, across North America. The team’s paper was published in the Oct. 9, 2007, issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Now, reporting in the Jan. 2 issue of the journal Science, a team led by the University of Oregon’s Douglas J. Kennett, a member of the original research team, report finding billions of nanometer-sized diamonds concentrated in sediments — weighing from about 10 to 2,700 parts per billion — in the six locations during digs funded by the National Science Foundation.
MORE than 100 penguin-loving tourists including dozens from Britain are trapped by ice off Antarctica aboard a Russian ice-breaker cruise ship, officials and the tour operator said today.
The Kapitan Khlebnikov is in a bay near Snow Hill island, located off the northeastern end of the Antarctic Peninsula, and cannot leave as the bay is sealed off with ice, the Russian transportation ministry said.
“The wind has currently slowed down in the area and the massing of the ice has ended.
Everything is calm aboard the ice-breaker, nothing is threatening the passengers and crew,” the ministry said in a statement.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/british-penguin-tourists-trapped-in-antarctic-ice/story-fn3dxix6-1225798410245
Rising waters from Climate Change could wreck rail system
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/blueprintamerica/blogs/the-no-13-line-investing-in-disaster/837/
Anthony – Thanks for the recent blog about peer reviewed studies that are in conflict with the AGW argument. I wonder how many of the studies or articles that support AGW, such as this one, are simply using the AGW theory as conjecture to make another “science argument”? I see very little research or articles that support AGW based soley on the mechanics of how CO2 is causing warming.
“Starvation ‘wiped out’ giant deer”
Climate Change ‘wiped out’ giant deer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8362000/8362203.stm
“Now a study of its teeth is producing tantalising answers, suggesting the deer couldn’t cope with climate change.”
Anthony,
Has there been a general post on the Younger Dryas? Since there seem to be two completely contradictory theories, both of which have implications for climate change,
it might be worth everybody’s attention.
“Dutch first in Europe to adopt green tax for cars”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-first-in-europe-to-adopt-green-tax-for-cars-1821268.html
“The Dutch government is to become the first country in Europe to introduce a green tax to replace annual road tax on cars.
Drivers will have to pay per kilometer driven in a bid to end chronic traffic jams and cut carbon emissions. The system, which will use Global Positioning Systems (GPS) to monitor cars, could be used as a test case for other countries weighing options for easing crowded roads. Singapore has a similar scheme for charging according to the amount of travel. “
And more… as we spiral into a full blown assault on Industrialization… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575289,00.html
Just seen this on the met office website there are inviting questions on climate change to be answered on the met office you tube channel
here is the link
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/explained/asktheexpert.html
wonder if any sceptical questions will be answered…. doubt it
Global warming threatens to rob Italy of pasta…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/earth-environment/article6917217.ece
“The warning is the latest example of the impact climate change could have on lifestyles and diets across Europe. It has emerged from the five-year Ensembles project, an EU-sponsored study straddling 66 research centres in 20 countries across Europe.”
I don’t know whether to laugh or weep.
I think the IPCC’s assumption of a 3 C rise in temperature for doubled CO2 should be tested regularly and concisely.
I propose an IPCC Watch, which can be done both monthly and annually against surface temperature. For October, the monthly Watch is +0.40 C, meaning that the IPCC forecast temperature exceeds the surface temperature by this amount, using a base period from March 1958 to February 1959.
The annual Watch for 2008 is +0.58 C (a record high), using 1880 as the base year.
Details are at http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B39QlQ1NSWREZWY4NmYzZDMtYzliZC00YjBhLWI1YmYtYWIxYjI2Y2RlNGNm&hl=en, and I would welcome any comment.
Uppdate on CLOUD project. Short video with Kirkby and Kulmala.
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1221088
Aubs (06:06:37) also posted this article.
Another version:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5joYG9VprKXj_LUm4fIo96XifrliwD9BVFSGG0
Places that have sand will have beaches (Florida). Places that don’t have sand (Maine?) don’t have beaches. Almost all problems with beaches are caused by humans, but it’s not global warming. It’s jetties, seawalls, pumping sand, etc. If the ocean rises a meter during the next 50 years, there will still be beaches in Florida. Why this article even mentions global warming must be attributed to politics and not a real issue.
Stephen Skinner (13:33:36) :
re: Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
I came across this myself a while back and contacted Dr. Abdussamatov at the Pulkovo Observatory for an update. It would be very interesting to see if the polar caps on Mars have begun to recover with the recent decline in solar irradiance. Regrettably he did not have any new information.
I thought this was interesting. Last night (SUNDAY Nov 16) while watching channel 2 CBS a commercial came on. There was no voice over just words on the screen. It started with the word Copenhagen and changed to Hopenhagen. There was some dribble about changing cope to hope, make a difference, something of that sort. It was sponsored by Coke and Hopenhagen.org. After I got done laughing I went to the kitchen and dumped out the coke.
The TimesOnline has produced a series of reasonably objective editorials and articles exploring skeptic arguments and positions. Today we have: “It was the Sun wot done it. Or was it?”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6919256.ece
A couple days ago was: “Global warming is not our fault, say most voters in Times poll”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece
Earlier this month was: “Experts say that fears surrounding climate change are overblown”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6905082.ece
This is a huge improvement for the TimesOnline, as 8 months ago the tune was more like this: “Each one of us dumps a tonne of carbon dioxide into the oceans every year, turning them into acidified soups — and threatening to destroy most of what lives in them”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5853261.ece
Cheers to the TimesOnline for gaining some respect for the facts, or at least realizing that presenting the skeptic’s side can significantly increase their readership.
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“Our programs are designed to move beyond passive viewing to create the inspiration and the support for communities to act. Growing Greener Schools will enable the next generation of environmental stewards to learn about sustainability and to translate what they learn into direct action that will make their own school buildings greener,” said Harry Wiland, co-founder of the Center. “We are delighted that Siemens has joined us as a partner and collaborator to help lead 55 million young students to a more sustainable curriculum in a more sustainable building environment,” added partner and co-founder, Dale Bell. “While we grow greener schools, we nurture greener students.”
Growing Greener Schools is being developed by the Media & Policy Center at the request of PBS Distribution, which provides programming to thought-leaders across the nation. The program will focus on two critical aspects of creating green schools, the structural elements of building or retrofitting and maintaining green schools, and the ways and means of integrating sustainability into school curricula and community-based service projects.
“We are delighted to sponsor a program like Growing Greener Schools because it is a natural fit for Siemens in so many ways,” said Jim Whaley, Vice President, Marketing & Communications for the Siemens Corporation and President of the Siemens Foundation. “It complements our successful educational initiative with The Discovery Foundation on the We Can Change The World Challenge, where we encourage K-12 pupils to devise environmental solutions for their communities. And it’s aligned with our ongoing outreach into America’s cities and towns through the annual Sustainable Community Awards, which rewards ‘green thinking’ at the municipal level.”
According to Bell and Wiland, partners in the Media & Policy Center, the program will provide practical, real-world guidance using existing effective programs. “Growing Greener Schools will take viewers to more than two dozen schools across the nation: for example, two suburban schools in Maryland, one which has been a successful green school for years and one which is planning to go green within two years. We’ll also look at the planning necessary to build a green school with a visit to the Denver Colorado Green School Planning Committee. Together, these examples will provide students, parents and community leaders with the basic information they need to grow their own green schools.”
The program will also examine the roles in which architects, engineers, sustainability experts and local elected officials can play in building green schools and turning older schools green.
“Environmental awareness and sustainability are core to Siemens’ overall business philosophy and an integral part of what we do for our customers in the U.S. and globally. We strongly support early education on the importance of what it means to act and live in a sustainable way. After all, they will be the leaders of tomorrow. There is no better way to reinforce a ‘green curriculum’ than making the schools themselves a showcase for sustainability,” said Alison Taylor, Chief Sustainability Officer Americas, Siemens AG.
The Media & Policy Center has produced a variety of programs using its unique “media model” comprised of many integrated components, including books. Its programs include a Going To Green Academic Curriculum, a 9-hour DVD presentation that supports a 20-unit set of lessons, and Edens Lost & Found, a multi-part series that examines the creation of green and sustainable spaces in urban settings. These and other series are developed with the goal of creating community-based campaigns that the Center facilitates and supports once the programs have aired. The Center has generated town hall meetings, community-based action plans and community organization driven projects from coast to coast.
About The Media & Policy Center Foundation
The Media & Policy Center Foundation is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) multi-media strategy and production company, located in Santa Monica, CA. Now celebrating ten years, The Media & Policy Center’s two co-founders hold numerous awards for prior independent productions, including one Academy Award, five Emmys, one Peabody, two Christophers, and two Cine Golden Eagles. The Media & Policy Center’s mission is to inspire social change by enabling the sharing of personal and community stories that may never otherwise be documented, and to help citizens in every community understand and address the issues that confront them. They are community organizers on a national scale who use a suite of media components to convey their messages, transforming PBS viewers into doers. For more information, visit http://www.mediapolicycenter.org.
About Siemens
Siemens AG (NYSE: SI) is a global powerhouse in electronics and electrical engineering, and operates in the industry, energy and healthcare sectors. For more than 160 years, Siemens has built a reputation for leading-edge innovation and the quality of its products, services and solutions. With 428,000 employees in 190 countries, Siemens reported worldwide sales of $116.6 billion in fiscal 2008. With its U.S. corporate headquarters in New York City, Siemens in the USA reported sales of $22.4 billion and employs approximately 69,000 people throughout all 50 states and Puerto Rico. For more information on Siemens in the United States, visit http://www.usa.siemens.com.
What is surprising about this item http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece which says that only 41% of teh UK population berlieves in scary warming, is that, having just spent a week in the UK, I can say that the pro AGW propaganda has an almost 100% blanket monopoly coverage in the media.
CO2 over China not working?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Toll-rises-to-38-in-Chinas-heaviest-snowfall-in-60-years/articleshow/5227111.cms
Data Fiddling -
I had occasion this weekend to check on Grand Canyon temperatures, and felt the ‘raw’ chart didn’t look right, too smooth. Last March I made some temperature blink animations, so I had copies of the original charts. Seems they’ve been in there readjusting the USHCN raw data.
Here are the March/November blinks for USHCN and GISS.
USHCN
http://i35.tinypic.com/10r3l1l.jpg
GISS
http://i33.tinypic.com/10ib9sz.jpg
Some more bad news for Copenhagen :
President Barack Obama and other world leaders agreed today that next month’s much-anticipated climate change summit will be merely a way station….”There was an assessment by the leaders that it is unrealistic to expect a full internationally, legally binding agreement could be negotiated…” ….A fully binding legal agreement would be left to a second meeting next year in Mexico City… the Danish proposal would call for Copenhagen to produce “operational impact,”…A major bill dealing with energy and climate in the U.S., a domestic priority of Obama’s, is bogged down in the U.S. Senate with scant hope it would be completed by next month, giving the American president little to show in Copenhagen….
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_13794389
“Delay is no longer an option. Denial is no longer an acceptable response.”
~~Barak Obama, 11/19/08
http://www.time.com/time/quotes/0,26174,1860510,00.html
Arctic ice area back on an aggressive climb :
DMi
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
NANSEN/ ROOS
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic
No more flat graph! The flattening was caused by new ice not being recognized from satellite?
Russia jumps on the bandwagon. First part of Reuter’s article below.
Russia’s Medvedev warns of climate catastrophe
Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:18am EST
By Oleg Shchedrov
SINGAPORE (Reuters) – Russian President Dmitry Medvedev warned on Monday that climate change posed a “catastrophic” threat in some of the sharpest comments yet on a subject the Kremlin has often seemed reluctant to confront.
Although the United States said that the consensus amongst the 19 leaders at the weekend Asia Pacific summit in Singapore was that a climate change deal this December was unlikely, Medvedev made clear he felt it was a top priority.
“If we don’t take joint action, the consequences for the planet may be very distressing to the point that the Arctic and Antarctic ice can melt and change ocean levels,” he said shortly before leaving Singapore.
“All of this will have catastrophic consequences.” (continued online)
Now they are telling Italy that they only have 100 years left to eat spaghetti, because Duram wheat will crops will start to decline in 2020, and may not grow there at all late this this century. What are we going to do with only a couple generations to adapt.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/earth-environment/article6917217.ece
Larry
Al Gore is seeing things :
“There has definitely been a shift in opinions worldwide, including in the United States, toward ever-stronger support for tackling this crisis and solving it. Some of the polls are outliers, some are misleading, but the overall measurement of public opinion shows a steady growth in the public’s resolve to do something about this.”
~~Al Gore, Nobel Peace Prize winner, ‘citizen of the world’
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091115/NEWS08/911150340/Al+Gore+sees+global+shift+on+climate+change
I’ve been looking into the AIRS project and can’t find a follow up to the information posted 2008.
This archive page on AIRS – http://web.archive.org/web/20060929095537/http://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/Mission/WhatIsAIRS/
says: “AIRS Data – Available to all
AIRS is a “facility instrument”, meaning it is part of the Earth Observing System Facility and there is no Principal Investigator. As such, data coming from the instrument is freely available to all who request it. And AIRS data is truly free. In contrast to data from many other instruments, there is no fee to use the data. In addition, the AIRS Project is here to support the AIRS data users. ”
Have you heard anymore about this, lack of available data, or further response to the ‘validation’ they wrote to you about in 2008?
Gene Nemetz (21:39:44) :
Al Gore is seeing things :
“There has definitely been a shift in opinions worldwide, including in the United States, toward ever ……..
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Well, he got half a sentence right, which is quite an accomplishment for him.
Update on Prove it! poll
On the main page of the Science Museum’s Prove It! poll the results are:
* 4777 counted in so far * 7397 counted out so far
But to their credit they’ve admitted that, “During the first few days of the poll we noticed some unusual activity. More information is available in this [following] statement.
Between Friday 23 and Wednesday 28 October the poll associated with Prove It! was manipulated through repeat voting. This was undertaken by those who wanted to be “counted in” and those who wanted to be “counted out” from the statement: “I’ve seen the evidence. And I want the government to prove they’re serious about climate change by negotiating a strong, effective, fair deal at Copenhagen.” As a result, to the best of our knowledge, the duplicate votes cast during this period were removed. Internet polls face this risk and the Science Museum has implemented additional security measures to reduce this risk.
+++++++++++
And here’s the corrected vote, “5984 individual votes were cast:
764 to counted in and 5220 to counted out. (Correct as at 16.20 Wednesday 28 October)” – no wonder it’s not on the front page.
Did anyone notice that the Sundance Channel aired TGGWS tonight? Yes, that Sundance Channel, the one formerly owned by Robert Redford (not any more). Perhaps the tide is turning.
Mark
From the Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6919256.ece
It was the Sun wot done it. Or was it?
A sharp drop in solar activity could soon tell us how much mankind and the Sun are responsible for warming the planet – Stuart Clark
Like it or not, it will soon be time to start placing bets for a white Christmas. If most climatologists are to be believed you are almost certainly throwing your money away.
The onward march of global warming is consigning such traditional Christmas card scenes to history. No more deep and crisp and even winters for Britain, replaced instead by damp and slush and stormy.
But, if a small group of maverick scientists are right, the chances of Yuletide snow may rise dramatically over the coming decades.
The difference of opinion hinges on what role — if any — the Sun plays in climate change. The vast majority of climate scientists maintain that the solar influence is limited or even negligible, and it is the unsustainable growth of industrialised nations that is driving the climate into chaos. The mavericks contend that the Sun’s activity dwarfs the human contribution, and that there is nothing we can do except wait for the Sun to change.
This paragraph from today (17 November – Australian evening) concerns me:
BARACK Obama has said the US and China want next month’s climate talks in Copenhagen to result in a global accord with “immediate effect.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/6582837/EU-Presidency-candidate-Herman-Van-Rompuy-calls-for-new-taxes.html
Herman Van Rompuy, the man widely expected to be appointed the first President of Europe this week, has called for new eco-taxes and levies on the financial sector to fund a more powerful European Union
Hey Anthony,
I drive 94 miles round trip each day to work. I leave my house in an urbran/suburban setting and travel through a very rural area on my way to another town. My car has an external temperature sensor on it and for the last year or so I try to make a mental note as to the temperature difference between the two very different settings. Usually, the temperature difference is 2-3 degrees F, but some days it can be as high as 4 degrees F with the rural setting obviously being cooler. Well, I’ve recently decided to start logging as many of the days as I can as well as my rough position when the reading was taken. I know you probably have a lot on your plate, but what do you think about starting a project that gets your readers in similar situations to log temperatures during their daily commute? A project like this might help to provide some actual data as to the real amount of UHI contribution to the urbanizing temperature record. I know there will be issues with different cars and temperature sensors, but the errors would be systematic (and should cancel out) as long as the reader uses the same car and notes any deviations. The differentials, however, might still be useful and very illuminating as to the amount that UHI contributes to any warming in the temperature trend. Just a thought…
Antonia Feitz (23:41:48) :
You’ve missed my posts linking to http://wermenh.com/proveit.html .
Roger Carr (03:08:28) :
Sounds like a treaty. (Stronger than a treaty?) (Effect == Headlines?)
If you can believe him, Al Gore at http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091115/NEWS08/911150340/Al+Gore+sees+global+shift+on+climate+change says
The original goal of having a fully completed treaty by the middle of December is now no longer a realistic goal, but there is a determined effort to get a binding political agreement among the heads of state to begin reductions immediately with specific commitments and then use that as the guideline for the negotiators to finish up their work over the following six months. This deadline has been extremely useful in moving countries around the world to go as far as they can in advance of the treaty talks.
Hmm, what else? Part 3:
There are more than 100 new designs for reactors, all of them working their way at some stage in the process toward the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for approval. None of them have financing. None of them have approval. Some have partial approval.
Part 4:
Are we going to lose jobs if we have carbon taxes or cap and trade?
Far from it. One of the bright spots in the last year has been the development, the emergence of a consensus here and in the rest of the world that this is a job creator and lots of jobs are already being created. Moreover they’re the kind of jobs that can’t be outsourced because when you retrofit homes and businesses with better lighting and windows and insulation, not to mention those who do choose solar panels and little windmills, what you get is millions of jobs in communities and they can’t be sent overseas.
[Hey Al, how about that wind project in Texas using Chinese turbines? Or
China's push to become the world leader in producing solar panels?]
Part 5:
Why do some people ridicule you about climate change?
I think there are three or four reasons why there’s a persistent group of deniers out there. Number one, there has been a huge ongoing effort by many of the largest carbon polluters to run a billion dollars every year in advertising aimed at reinforcing skepticism about this. … Secondly, … there is a really large effort that works hand in glove with the point of view of the carbon polluters. Third, the old cliché “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt” also applies. … And then I guess the fourth element is there’s an ideological group of opponents who believe that any serious effort to solve the climate crisis is going to involve a role for government in limiting carbon emissions….
Tips & Notes isn’t a discussion forum, so I’ll refrain from suggesting four myself. Perhaps over at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/16/gore-has-no-clue-a-few-million-degrees-here-and-there-and-pretty-soon-were-talking-about-real-temperature/ ….
Oh my….
Opportunities and Obstacles for Television Weathercasters to Report on Climate Change
http://ams.allenpress.com/archive/1520-0477/90/10/pdf/i1520-0477-90-10-1457.pdf
The survey was distributed by e-mail to broadcast meteorologists on the AMS listserve (numbering approximately 800) the week of 8 May 2008. There were 121 responses by 7 June, which was more than the expected goal of 100. Direct comparisons between this highly selective sample of AMS members and the larger random mail sample of all TV weathercasters published in 2002 are difficult. Different questions and methodologies were used. General patterns will be noted, but since this sample is selected from only AMS meteorologists, we can’t know from these data whether all TV weathercasters share their perspectives
or not. Presumably, AMS sealholders are more scientifically trained than the general population of all on-air weathercasters. Ultimately, we surveyed this group because they are the primary targets of the new online instructional course that will count toward AMS professional development credits
15. As a TV weathercaster, I should be knowledgeable about the basic conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assessment.
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
28 52 13 5 2
16. Respond to this IPCC conclusion: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.”
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
17% 28% 21% 20% 14%
17. Respond to this IPCC conclusion: “Most of the warming since 1950 is very likely human-induced.”
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
8% 16% 25% 24% 26%
20. Global climate models are reliable in their projections for a warming of the planet.
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
3 16 20 37 25
21. Global climate models are reliable in their projections for precipitation and drought.
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
1% 18% 29% 36% 16%
22. Global climate models are reliable in their projections for local weather patterns.
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
0% 14% 25% 38% 24%
18. Respond to one TV weathercaster’s quote saying: “Global warming is a scam.”
Strongly Agree (1) Agree (2) Neutral (3) Disagree (4) Strongly Disagree (5)
10% 19% 26% 23% 22%
From the U.K. Met Office:
Latest research has shown that emissions of CO2 will need to be reduced close to zero by the end of this century if a rise in the mean global temperature beyond 2 °C is to be avoided. A temperature rise of no more than 2 °C is widely acknowledged as the ‘safe’ level to avoid dangerous climate change.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2009/pr20091117.html
Russian icebreaker converted to tourist vessel has just started moving again after being stuck in ice off the western antarctic peninsula for several days. Apparently the weather was far more severe than expected.
Courtesy of BBC Tv news at 1pm
If you want a suggestion for nonsense of the week, have a look at this (chosen by the World Bank):
100 ideas to save the planet. Peruvian proposal of painting melting glaciers white chosen by World Bank
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091103/sc_afp/climatewarmingperuglaciers
http://www.livinginperu.com/news/10651
The list of 100 finalists by the World Bank:
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/OPPORTUNITIES/GRANTS/DEVMARKETPLACE/0,,contentMDK:22258525~pagePK:180691~piPK:174492~theSitePK:205098,00.html
Check out p.79 of the Nov 23 time magazine touting a newly invented wood that mimics a ‘brief climactic period’ during which Stradivarius made his violins – they can’t even bring themselves to say `little ice age` in that rag when its key to their story!
AMS Survey of Weathercasters on Climate Change
[A survey of weathercasters’ feelings on global warming was published in this month’s edition of the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. It had some interesting findings. There were 121 respondents. 94% of the respondents had at least one of the three major seals.
“Respond to this IPCC conclusion: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.” Only 35% agreed or strongly agreed. 34% disagreed or strongly disagreed.
“Most of the warming since 1950 is likely human induced.” A full 50% disagreed or strongly disagreed. 25% were neutral on this question. Only 8% strongly agreed.
“Global climate models are reliable in their predictions for a warming of the planet.” Only 3% strongly agreed and another 16% agreed. A full 62% disagreed or strongly disagreed.]
http://www.alabamawx.com/?p=24574
Drilling Back to the Future: Climate Clues from Ancient Ice on Greenland
with video.
It’s those bristlecone pines again.
Ancient high-altitude trees grow faster as temperatures rise
Increasing temperatures at high altitudes are fueling the post-1950 growth spurt seen in bristlecone pines, the world’s oldest trees, according to new research.
Pines close to treeline have wider annual growth rings for the period from 1951 to 2000 than for the previous 3,700 years, reports a University of Arizona-led research team
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-11/uoa-aht111109.php
Pearland Aggie
I’m sure I read about such a project in the last year. It could even have been here.
Worth googling.
Tonyb
As alarmists are ramping up for Copenhagen, drought and famine is often brought to attention as consequences of “climate change”, and more drought and reduced crops is envisioned for the future, citing e.g. Hadley Center’s “4 degrees map” (http://www.actoncopenhagen.decc.gov.uk/content/en/embeds/flash/4-degrees-large-map-final)
It would be interesting to look at how they arrive at those conclusions. Glacier ice cores and history seem to tell the exact opposite: The world is extremely dry and dusty at glacial minima. But even in our current interglacial, there have been several events of extreme aridity, and these have often coincided with phases of cold (the so called “Bond events”), e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.2_kiloyear_event
So, we have all reasons to believe that if we should enter a period of unusual cold again, the earth can become a very dry place, and crops would fail (but maybe a CO2-enriched atmosphere would help us out a little?). But if temperatures rise, shouldn’t we rather expect a less dry world, with larger areas available for agriculture (and fertilized with CO2 as well)?
Not that I know what you’d do with it:
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10193.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8362000/8362203.stm
A pretty interesting article about giant deer that went extinct in Ireland about 10,000 years ago. Of course it was due to “climate change” but the best part is the change that killed them off was declining temperatures.
Could someone inform me what ‘MSM’ stands for in a climate change context? I didn’t see it in the glossary, but have read it bandied about in blogs.
Thanks,
Ursus
REPLY: Main Stream Media – big TV networks, large newspapers
Shackleton’s whisky to be dug up
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8361995.stm
“I personally think they must have been left there by mistake, because it’s hard to believe two crates would have been left under the hut without drinking them,” Mr Fastier said.”
They’re going to put it back into the hut!
David L. Hagen (06:56:54) :
As is Well Known, the Polar Bears went extinct early in the Eemian. Such a pity.
1st one pole, then the other. Russian tourist ship gets stuck in Antarctic ice.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575382,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r5:c0.103473:b28906834:z10
So, according to Auntie Beeb, enthusiasm for science has diminished with the growth of global warming. The Truth is finally emerging!
“When Brunel was celebrated, there was an enthusiasm for science but with global warming that has now lessened and it’s more likely people who have warned about damaging the planet, like James Lovelock.”
The rest of the article is here:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8363153.stm
The latest little gem from Auntie Beeb in the daily climate-climate-climate pounding we are being treated to at the moment:
Written article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8344311.stm
Watch the video here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/scotland_video_and_audio/8364663.stm
Quotes from the written article:
“BBC Scotland’s social affairs reporter, Fiona Walker, looks at what Scotland could be like in 2080. In this first piece she writes about her trip to Thailand to see how areas of that country have disappeared under the sea and she asks whether the same fate could befall parts of Scotland.”
“This is what climate change can look like according to the researchers … They’ve already lost 1km of land … It’s too late to save the village here so they want other countries – including Scotland – to learn from their experience.”
“Professor Dr Thanawat Jarupongsakul from Chulalongkom University says it’s down to global warming and coastal erosion which he believes we all need to prepare for … there’s no time to discuss whether it’s real or not. I think it’s time now to do action.” ”
” Aideen McLaughlin from Oxfam Scotland .. said: “I think at home we haven’t got our heads round what the impact of climate change is but when you see it here actually visiting people’s doorsteps and destroying their lives and their livelihoods every day it really is a reality and I want people to see that we have to do something about it.
OK, a quick google search seems to be beyond the scope of Fiona Walker’s research.
From the Thailand Environment Monitor (World Bank):
“The loss of mangrove coverage along the shoreline has been an important factor leading to increased erosion at Ban Khun Samut Chin and other areas along the Gulf of Thailand coastline.”
“While natural causes are the main force behind the erosion on the Andaman coastline, human activities, such as sand mining, construction of jetties and breakwaters, and land subsidence from ground water usage, are behind the erosion along the Gulf of Thailand coast. Conversion of mangroves to shrimp and fish farms, the Environment Monitor finds, has reduced the coastal area’s capacity to contain erosion.”
Or this report:
http://unit.aist.go.jp/igg/rg/cug-rg/ADP/files/Saito_INPRINT_2007_2.pdf
“Coastal erosion is a crucial ongoing problem along most Asian coasts. Human activities in drainage basins and on coastal plains have led to a decrease of sediment supply to the coasts, caused mainly by dam construction, sand mining, and irrigation, and to a relative sea-level rise (i.e.,
land subsidence), caused by excess groundwater extraction. These activities, together with the destruction of coastal ecosystems, such as mangrove deforestation (e.g., Syvitski and Saito, 2007) have resulted in the present
severe coastal erosion of the megadeltas of Asia.”
” Though several causes of coastal erosion have been identified (e.g., subsidence, decrease in sediment supply, deforestation for shrimp farms), the main cause on this coast is coastal subsidence.”
“Aquaculture ponds for clam and shrimp have also accelerated coastal erosion. Once the frontal mangroves are destroyed, the ocean encroaches into the shrimp ponds, exposing the next mangroves to face the sea ”
“There is sufficient evidence that human induced relative sea level rise due to intensive land use change is overarching climate related pressures.”
On the evidence of my quick google search (which anybody could do), this is a pretty shabby effort by Fiona. Why did she fail to mention the multitude of issues relating to coastal erosion and sunsidence in this region?
Fiona’s written article (not the video) leaves us with a quote (which isn’t directly attributed to anybody): “Next month, we’re holding Scotland’s biggest ever demonstration in support of climate change in Glasgow.”
Is this the role of Auntie Beeb? Is our licence fee to be used to drum up the anxiety squad for the big worryfest next month in Glasgow.
You may want to listen to this interview from the “Audio Vault”.
http://www.cknw.com/other/audiovault.html
Tuesday Nov 17th 10:30 – 11:00
BILL REES, PROFESSOR, SCHOOL OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PLANNING, UBC
Re: The man who coined the phrase “ecological footprint” tells us why a binding agreement in Copenhagen this December is critical to the survival of human civilization as we know it.
…………………
Programs sometimes take a couple of hours to show up in the vault.
I missed the first half of the show. He never mentioned this web site specifically (that I heard) but the comment “Follow the Money” was issued with a fairly wide brush to discredit the skeptics.
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In a piece on the APEC discussions in Time:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1929071_1929070_1939676,00.html
I was amused by what I assumed was an accidental phrase:
“But there’s no getting around the fact that as the science of climate change grows more dire …”
He’s not wrong there!
God, the BBC keeps pushing its one-sided biased cr*p
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8364926.stm
Anthony, I’m sure you can put this to good use at some point :-)
1958 – Global Warming
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/debates/6591979/Does-having-children-contribute-to-climate-change.html
A new UN report suggests that slowing population growth could help combat climate change. Do you think that having less children could help us save the planet?
“Earth ‘heading for 6C’ of warming”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8364926.stm
“Average temperatures across the world are on course to rise by up to 6C without urgent action to curb CO2 emissions, according a new analysis.”
“According to lead scientist Corinne Le Quere, the new findings should add urgency to the political discussions.”
“Professor Le Quere, who holds posts at the UK’s University of East Anglia and the British Antarctic Survey, is lead author on the study that is published in the journal Nature Geoscience.”
The University of East Anglia that would be where the Briffa hockey stick came from.
“Ice-trapped Britons on move again”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8364424.stm
“Tour leader Paul Goldstein said they expected to be back in the open sea in the next couple of days.”
They’re going from whence they came.
“Climate change catastrophe took just months”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/earth-environment/article6917215.ece
It’ll happen the day after tomorrow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8364926.stm
The hockey stick is back 6 degree now lol!
Hi Anthony,
A quick Copenhagen update.
Hot off the press at Composites World Weekly; where I learn how to design Americas Cup Sail Boats, or Carbon Fly fishing rods, or for that matter Wind Turbine Propellors.
LM Glassfiber of Lunderskov, Denmark has just trucked by road to Copenhagen; the largest Wind Turbine Propellor blade ever made. It is 61.5 metres long, which probably makes the fan at least 125 metres in diameter.
They don’t say how many MegaWatts this critter would churn out; but I’m opining, it may be as much as 10 MW. There’s a lot of 5 MW units in service, and I don’t think they are that big (but they are damn big anyway).
Well they for sure as hell aren’t going to put this machine up in Copenhagen, to blow the seagulls away from the unclad mermaid.
It’s all about a political ploy for this rapidly fading shamozzle that the Danes are going to host next month.
So far as I know, nobody has seriously thought about going to carbon fiber for these monster blades; which may have to do with the fact that fiberglass is more tolerant of excessive loads; and especially impact damage than is carbon fiber.
Carbon fiber is certainly better for applications where the maximum loads are known; but it is much more sensitive to impact damage, and if you go over its limited strain range then it explodes with a big bang. Wind turbines inherently must withstand sudden freak loads.
Just thought you would wanna know about this coming Copenhagen dog and pony show item.
George
People who call climate skeptics “Holocaust deniers” need to read this book then lol
http://www.amazon.com/How-Green-Were-Nazis-Environment/dp/0821416472/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258496259&sr=8-2
Don’t know if you have seen this but since its on FOX news web site good chance you have.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/17/epa-employees-silenced-criticizing-cap-trade/
EPA Employees Silenced for Criticizing Cap and Trade
I just booked a flight on-line and was asked if I wanted to buy carbon offsets. I made a a point of replying with a note that this useless promotion insulted my intelligence and made me think less of the airline as an organization. I did the same with my car-insurance company a couple of months ago.
For those who agree, may I suggest we let the wannabe corporate messiahs know that they are encouraging us to take our business elsewhere.
Further to my previous note about IPCC Watch (16NOV 12:54:04), just in case someone cares I am checking the “Notify me via email” box.
Hot off of the wire at Fox News..
EPA Climate Couple with 40 yrs experience get private anti-cap n trade video censored..
” Laurie Williams and husband Alan Zabel worked for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for more than 20 years, and they know more about climate change than most politicians. But when the couple released a video on the Internet expressing their concerns over the Obama administration’s plans to use cap-and-trade legislation to fight climate change, they were told to keep it to themselves.
Williams and Zabel oppose cap and trade — a controversial government allowance program in which companies are issued emissions limits, or caps, which they can then trade — as a means to fight climate change.
On their own time, Williams and Zabel made a video expressing these opinions.
VIDEO: EPA Employees Speak Out Against Cap and Trade
“Cap-and-trade with offsets provides a false sense of progress and puts money in the pockets of investors,” Zabel said in the video. “We think that these restrictions might not be constitutional,” he said.
Their bosses in San Francisco approved the effort by Williams and Zabel to release the tape, but after an editorial they wrote appeared in the Washington Post, EPA Director Lisa Jackson ordered the pair to remove the video or face disciplinary action. ”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/17/epa-employees-silenced-criticizing-cap-trade/
Best wishes,
Ray B
I think winemaker Erl Happ presents a very interresting hypothesis here:
http://climatechange1.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/the-climate-engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOjfxEejS2Y
George Bush had all the right ideas lol
Look what NOAA put back up, without all that messy information about CO2 not the primary driver of global warming. Talk about censorship!
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/ll_gas.htm
If Hansen is allowed to present his views publicly, other government employees should be allowed to express theirs as well. This story just hit the news today:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/17/epa-employees-silenced-criticizing-cap-trade/
A series of video clips I’d not seen before you may find of interest:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C012004CB098DE90
http://m.www.yahoo.com/_ylt=Aq1h1fZNMYj5tehw3rTUwFWbvZx4/SIG=12fo80ntc/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%26cl=16694245%26lang=en
Herman Van Rompuy, front-runner for presidency, wants EU-wide tax
From The Times November 17, 2009
David Charter in Brussels and Philip Webster, Political Editor
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6919380.ece
The man tipped to be Europe’s first president is already considering new EU taxes to fund the rising cost of Brussels and the welfare state.
Herman Van Rompuy, the Belgian Prime Minister, broke his silence before Thursday’s summit to choose the president — but only at a meeting of the secretive Bilderberg group of top politicians, bankers and businessmen.
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Van Rompuy shows his hand at Bilderberg Group dinner
Flanders Today – Saturday 14 November 2009
http://www.mediargus.be/flanderstoday.admin.en/rss/24083620.html?via=rss&language=en
Van Rompuy told the elite club that the European government leaders are increasingly becoming proponents of Europe tapping off green income, so that the contributions of member states to the EU can be decreased.
Canada’s GlobeandMail has an article on the web tonight with interesting recommended comments
Friends of Science, a Calgary-based non-profit group, is running a national radio advertising campaign mocking the whole idea of climate change that has mainstream environmental groups miffed.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ad-campaign-takes-aim-at-climate-change/article1367291/
FWIW, it looks like NASA GISS “got a clue” that deleting 93% of the USA thermometers was “a bad idea” and have decided to “put them back…”
from: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates/
November 13, 2009: NOAA is no longer updating the original version of the USHCN data; it ended in May 2007. The new version 2 currently extends to July 2009. Starting today, these newer data will be used in our analysis. Documentation and programs will be updated correspondingly.
They had a server outage most all weekend, so this is a bit of ‘backdating’: It ought to be dated 11/16/09 IMHO, but I’m happy just to have it done.
Though it does make me wonder if this had any impact:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/gistemp-ghcn-selection-bias-measured-0-6-c/
But it is now a bit more of a “moot point”. I will still be able to use the benchmark of v2 or Not to measure how well GIStemp works as a filter; but the USA numbers will now be much better from the GIStemp product.
Now if they will just put the Andes back in South America…
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/ghcn-south-america-andes-what-andes/
Tourist ship stuck in Antarctic ice
permalinke-mail story to a friendprint versionPublished 18 November, 2009, 02:34
A Russian icebreaker, the Captain Khlebnikov, became caught in Antarctica on Monday, but has now begun moving and is expected to reach open waters soon, according to sources aboard the vessel.
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Earlier, a Russian Far East marine cruise official told RIA Novosti news agency that the Captain Khlebnikov would have to wait several days before it could move forward.
There are 105 passengers aboard the icebreaker, most of them British tourists including a BBC film crew which is shooting a new movie.
Read more
Earlier, a Russian Far East marine cruise official told the RIA Novosti news agency that the passengers are safe and in no need of assistance.
The ship was reportedly located only five miles from open waters but could not move, as drifting ice was blocking its way.
The ship became stuck near the Snow Hill Island, one of the most beautiful in the local archipelago. The island, which was the vessel’s destination, is famed for its scenery and rich fauna, with penguins and killer whales on view for tourists.
http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-11-18/captain-khlebnikov-stuck-antarctic.html
Revenge of the Climate Laymen
Global warming’s most dangerous apostate speaks out about the state of climate change science.
Steve McIntyre takes it away in The Wall Street Journal…
Anthony,
Hope you are blooming.
Australia is far away, geographically and mind-set-wise. But I’d appreciate your opinion on the chicanery behind the Australian Government-commissioned report – released on the eve of a crucial Parliamentary vote on emissions trading – which warned that 250,000 homes would be drowned by 2100 through global warming.
Some bizarre errors and misrepresentations in it have already been discussed here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/deceived_again_how_wong_whipped_up_those_11_metre_seas/
and here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/deceived_again_2_more_evidence_of_how_wong_faked_her_sea_scare/
Your expert eye could make some difference here.
The recent study from NCAR, titled “The relative increase of record high maximum temperatures compared to record low minimum temperatures in the U.S.”, makes a number of claims about record lows.
The following two quotes are taken from the press release:
“If temperatures were not warming, the number of record daily highs and lows being set each year would be approximately even. Instead, for the period from January 1, 2000, to September 30, 2009, the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420 record lows, as the country experienced unusually mild winter weather and intense summer heat waves.”
“The study also found that the two-to-one ratio across the country as a whole could be attributed more to a comparatively small number of record lows than to a large number of record highs. This indicates that much of the nation’s warming is occurring at night, when temperatures are dipping less often to record lows. This finding is consistent with years of climate model research showing that higher overnight lows should be expected with climate change.”
I believe that many of the claims made in these two quotes are not correct, based on the fact that the number of record lows set, exceeds the number of record lows expected.
How many record lows should have been expected for the period from January 1, 2000, to September 30, 2009. The press release does not say, but it can be calculated quite easily with a spreadsheet. In a stable climate (not warming or cooling), the number of record highs (or lows) expected in year “n” of the study (n=1,2,3,etc) equals the number of temperature readings for year n, divided by n.
In the case of this study, there were 1,800 weather stations, each giving 365 readings per year (ignoring leap years). 1,800 times 365 equals 657,000 temperature readings per year.
In the first year (year 1 = 1950) we expect 657,000 / 1 = 657,000 record highs and 657,000 record lows.
In the second year (year 2 = 1951) we expect 657,000 / 2 = 328,500 record highs and 328,500 record lows.
In the third year (year 3 = 1952) we expect 657,000 / 3 = 219,000 record highs and 219,000 record lows.
etc
etc
The number of record lows we expect from January 1, 2000, to December 31, 2009, is:
657,000 * ( 1/51 + 1/52 + 1/53 + … + 1/60) = 118,697
However, the study finished on September 30, 2009, so we need to make an adjustment for the last part year.
The number of record lows we expect from January 1, 2000, to September 30, 2009, = 115,937
We got 142,420 record lows in the period, and we expected 115,937 record lows for the same period. So we got MORE record lows than we would expect (for a stable climate). That is 26,483 more record lows than we expect, an average of nearly 15 EXTRA record lows per weather station.
In a warming climate, we would expect even less record lows, so the number of record lows set would exceed the number expected by an even greater amount.
How can this result be used to claim:
- Unusually mild winter weather?
- A comparatively small number of record lows rather than a large number of record highs?
- Much of the nation’s warming occurring at night?
- Agreement with years of climate model research showing that higher overnight lows should be expected with climate change?
This study appears to have it all wrong about record lows.
Could you please verify my calculation and conclusions.
Climate change is like ‘World War Three’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3313024/Climate-change-is-like-World-War-Three.html
Why is it always the fault of the U.S.? Why do we never see a headline that places the blame at the feet of China/India?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,661678,00.html
JimB
Anthony
See how the BBC News on line has handled todays GCP findings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8364926.stm
Par for the course.
David Brown
There was, I think on WUWT, a BBC justification for only reporting the warmist side of the argument. Can Anyone guide me to it please.
Regards
S
An interesting post about solar telescopes at The Online Photographer.
Here Comes the Sun.
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/11/here-comes-the-sun.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FZSjz+%28The+Online+Photographer%29
Art blogger at the Guardian doesn’t think the “Prove It!” exhibit is good, but says the main reason it should be shut down is because the negative poll is not supporting AGW. He doesn’t reconsider what he thinks he knows about the topic.
“… But Prove It! proves little about people’s views on climate change – it only proves that they are annoyed by lousy faked-up events in museums. This is scarcely an “exhibition” at all. As far as I could see, it’s just a set of screens on which messages are projected, and a computer terminal to vote on. But the screened messages don’t constitute evidence: they are simply slogans. Neither scientific argument nor experimental inquiry is presented here. …”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2009/nov/16/science-museum-climate-change
I just noticed that the Recommendations voting in the Guardian’s anti-Prove It! blog is also supporting the anti-AGW commenters.
Could anyone explain why on the NOAA website it says that there have been many sunspots in the last 30 days, but on this site it says there haven’t, or at least not many.
The link is at http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/latest/DSD.txt
Having failed to cause any hysteria with warnings of a 2 degree rise in temperature. Louise Gray in the Daily Telegraph has upped the ante to 6 degrees, giving a sea level rise of 6 metres. Any advance on 6 for 6?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6597757/Rising-CO2-will-cause-catastrophic-sea-level-rise-finds-Antarctic-study.html
Tip: Russian icebreaker carrying over 100 tourists stuck in the ice around Antarctica
http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/sns-ap-aa-antarctic-cruise-ship,0,3925669.story
The obligatory BBC climate article….. Poor Women are more vunurable to climate change….. lol…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8365808.stm
We better watch out for these cosmic rays!!
http://www.theage.com.au/national/cosmic-rays-link-to-airbus-falls-20091118-imlf.html
From the UK MetOffice
“New climate mitigation scenario highlights stark challenge ahead”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2009/pr20091117.html
“Latest research has shown that emissions of CO2 will need to be reduced close to zero by the end of this century if a rise in the mean global temperature beyond 2 °C is to be avoided. A temperature rise of no more than 2 °C is widely acknowledged as the ‘safe’ level to avoid dangerous climate change.”
Below “An ensemble prediction system giving the first probabilistic climate projections of temperature and rainfall changes fro Europe this century;”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/projects/ensembles_map.html
“Conditional probabilities for seasonal changes in tempeerature for 32 European capital cities in the period 2021-2050 from the ENSEMBLES climate change project.
These projections are from an ensemble of 16 simulations run on 12 different regional climate models at a resolution of 25km under an A1B emissions scenario compared with the reference period of 1961-1990″
“ENSEMBLES Final Report”
http://ensembles-eu.metoffice.com/index.html
European Union metoffice didn’t know it existed.
But soon they will move no more because of global warming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6592487/Real-life-rolling-stones-creep-across-Death-Valley-in-California.html
FYI:
NOAA Releases Expanded World #Ocean Database http://bit.ly/208vaw Data as far back as 1800!
Sixth European Space Weather Week
16-20 November, 2009 – Brugge, Belgium
http://www.sidc.be/esww6/specialevents/debate.php
Debate-”space Weather and the Earth’s Climate
What are the influences & the effect of an unusually deep solar minimum?”
Moderated by is Dr Stuart Clark, a science journalist and author of a book on the grandfathers of space weather
Was supprised to hear Dr Clark being interviewed on BBC Radio 5 last night at 18:49hrs (2hr 49min)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nwswx
Also in the times “It was the Sun wot done it. Or was it?”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6919256.ece
You will probably want to blog on the new Nature paper showing that interglacial temps in the Antarctica have likely been underestimated by a factor of 2 relative to today. It not only shows natural variation is much larger than thought, but likely destroys Hansen’s claim that climate sensitivity is “nailed ” from ice core data. If this paper is correct, it’s all but certain that CO2 forcing cannot explain the interglacial transition.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v462/n7271/edsumm/e091119-09.html
LONDON — The battle against global warming could be helped if the world slowed population growth by making free condoms and family planning advice more widely available, the UN Population Fund said Wednesday.
He, He, can’t wait to see a comment!
Anthony
I do not know if you are back yet, so hope this is an opportune time to repost something you suggested I should bring to your attention again. It read as follows (plus some additions)
“As you seem to be around at present can you tell me what the upshot was re the long thread over at CA in 2007 regarding Central Park temperatures?
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1798 where you posted comments and a photo of Belvedere weather station.
I am researching this one for my Little ice age thermometers site, and the difference in temperatures between CP and West Point miltary academy 50 miles away, over the same period, is striking.
http://climatereason.com/LittleIceAgeThermometers/NewYork_USA.html
CP appears to be greatly influenced by a number of factors. The reservoir in front of Belvedere-built 1842- was filled in during 1917, became ‘Hooverville’ during the depression, then in the 1940’s was grassed over and became The ‘Great Lawn’ but then became ‘packed as hard as ashpalt’ before being renovated in the 1970’s.
As your picture showed there was also some bad siting and it seems the UHI allowance made for population was absurd-I am rather sceptical about the methodology of Karl et al.
I have around thirty papers on calculating UHI but not sure which is currently considered the ‘best.’ IMHO I think it depends greatly on the individual circumstances of the urban area. Joe D’aleo did some good posts on this aspect.
Thanks for any help you can give in unravelling the diverging records.
Tonyb
REPLY: traveling at the moment and gearing up for presentation check with me later -A”
“Galileo silenced again” A good article by Willie Soon and David R. Legates on American Geophysical Union’s efforts to silence scientific inquiry:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17003
Willie and David’s article presents a solid counterpoint to this recent garbage piece by David Horton in the Huffington Post, “You’re no Galileo”:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-horton/youre-no-galileo_b_355799.html
“The Galileo, or Copernicus, of our day was James Hansen.” What a joke, we’ll let the history books sort this one out…
Al Gore: Earth’s Interior ‘Extremely Hot, Several Million Degrees’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/18/al-gore-earths-interior-extremely-hot-several-million-degrees
Our famous political scientist is off a little bit.
No wonder the earth is “getting warmer”, it must be the magma flows from the core.
Perhaps he extrapalted
REPLY: we carried that story here first, check the main page and scroll down a bit – Anthony
Glitch
Perhaps he extrapolated the “estimate” from one of his computer climate models.
Hansen Mars Challenge
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HANSENMARSCHALLENGE.pdf
Even though the computer models have never yielded a single result that matches observations, any criticism of the models is met with some sort of complex justification that is beyond the comprehension of the general public so it is readily accepted by the masses and those questioning the validity of the models are vilified by the promoters of the AGW agenda as skeptics and deniers who are in the pockets of big oil.
The sole support for AGW is the climate models, and the sole support for the climate models with respect to CO2 is the forcing parameter. There is no actual physical rational for the forcing parameter, because it was simply contrived from the assumption that observed warming of 0.6°C was due entirely to a 100ppmv increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration. There was never any verification of this parameter either by theory or observation. There is no justification for this parameter based on the physical properties of CO2, because the molecular configuration of the CO2 molecule precludes any significant effect from CO2 beyond a concentration of 300ppmv, and the current concentration is 386ppmv.
There is no justification for this parameter based on observation because the observed notch in the spectrum created by CO2 is virtually identical for both the Earth and Mars, and Mars has over 9 times the physical concentration of CO2 in its atmosphere than the Earth has in its atmosphere.
Even the reference temperature value for the parameter is faulty because the maximum temperature increase possibly attributable to human CO2 emissions is 0.1°C per century; not the 0.6°C that is used in the forcing parameter.
Hi Anthony,
TCS ad campaign hit the airwaves last night in Australia. I thought you might be interested and post them on your website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNu3iFBPglM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Ii1GGQkbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsQbTTVEG-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl0F6hFnmPs
Kind Regards
Michael
The Climate Sceptics
Policy and Media Unit
Townsville Qld
email: climatesceptics.policy.media@gmail.com
website: http://www.climatesceptics.com.au
A new twist … from The Times November 19, 2009
Birth control: the most effective way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions
This story from NPR.
Ancient bristlecone pine trees found in certain parts of California and Nevada have been growing at an unprecedented rate in the last 50 years. According to a recent study, this growth has most likely been caused by warmer temperatures. Malcolm Hughes, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of dendrochronology at the University of Arizona’s Laboratory for Tree-Ring Research, offers his insight.
In Discover magazine (Dec 09) there is an article that has short statements by “leading thinkers” about how to make “our energy supply cleaner, more efficient, and more abundant.”
The one that might be a game-changer (page 50) is by MIT chemist Daniel Nocera. He and postdoctorate fellow Matthew Kanan discovered that by adding cobalt and phosphate to water in an electrolyzer hydrogen and oxygen can be obtained – potentially – on a grand scale.
I found this on line:
http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2189
The posts are old but the one by ‘cepop’ of 07 Dec 2005 (currently the second one) has a summary.
A more definitive source would be (there is a cost):
http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/CS/article.asp?doi=b802885k
described as:
Chem. Soc. Rev., 2009, 38, 109 – 114, DOI: 10.1039/b802885k
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Cobalt–phosphate oxygen-evolving compoun
Matthew W. Kanan, Yogesh Surendranath and Daniel G. Nocera
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The utilization of solar energy on a large scale requires efficient storage. Solar-to-fuels has the capacity to meet large scale storage needs as demonstrated by natural photosynthesis. This process uses sunlight to rearrange the bonds of water to furnish O2 and an H2-equivalent. We present a tutorial review of our efforts to develop an amorphous cobalt–phosphate catalyst that oxidizes water to O2. The use of earth-abundant materials, operation in water at neutral pH, and the formation of the catalyst in situ captures functional elements of the oxygen evolving complex of Photosystem II.
A Wod 6:55:09 Sunspots?
A sunspot (to you) is not the same as a sunspot number to SESC (Space Environment Services Center). Try this page for a short note:
http://space-env.esa.int/Data_Plots/noaa/ssn_plot.html
Note the data is from NOAA. Info is below the chart. You are on your own for more info.
Coming back from the top of Mt. Baldy (San Antonio) here in SoCal last
weekend I think I spotted another badly placed Stevenson Screen
at the USFS facility at Baldy Village. 34°14′18.49″N 117°39′27.09″W
It was a few feet from the road, right at the edge of the parking lot,
perhaps 6′ from the car hoods. Is anybody else closer and able to
get a few good images?
Speaking of badly placed temp. systems, I still have the images from
the station on the Mass./NH border on US 93, and the station at UMass
Lowell. Both are typical — horrific placement.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/th-day-of-hunger-strike-for-climate-activists/story-e6frg6nf-1225799723346
Joke of the day!
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8835 interesting comments on Little Ice age
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/stated-warned-of-catastrophic-fire-conditions/story-e6frf7kf-1225799862319
CATASTROPHIC, but ummm don’t panic ok ok
I had a catastrophically, cataclysmically, apocalyptically good day today! How was yours lol
Is this the new form of communication?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophic_failure
Criticism of the Science Museum’s rubbish poll is now surfacing on the MSM;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2009/nov/16/science-museum-climate-change
I ran into something tonight, it may be nothing but has me wondering if this site is becoming a pox to the religion.
Normally I begin to type “Watts” and the “in line complete” will fill in the rest of the name and I click in. This is “Bing” search, which is the default search engine on this system (I work 3rd shift and peek in from time to time).
I’ve noticed lately this site has dropped several places in the listings, tonight I went 5 pages deep and did not find it.
Luckily I thought to bookmark it and used that.
Curious.
“Eco hero: David Bellamy, botanist and campaigner”
A REAL ECOLOGIST
“I’m sceptical about man-made climate change. There’s absolutely no proof that carbon dioxide will kill us all. It’s not a poison, it’s the most important gas in the world. Carbon dioxide is an airborne fertiliser. How can farmers grow increasing amounts of food without a rise in CO2?”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6598056/Eco-hero-David-Bellamy-botanist-and-campaigner.html
“I spent my 50th birthday in jail. We were protesting against the flooding of this amazing river in Tasmania. I was in solitary confinement in Hobart’s Risdon Prison “
Apologies of this has already been posted, but I thought this might be of some interest. Oxfam has launched a Climate Challenge quiz on their web site. The answers to the questions stretch credibility at times, but if anyone feels free to have a fun five minutes, feel free to try ! ( http://www.theclimatechallenge.org/)
Just in case anyone has missed it:
From Telegraph 19 Nov 2009:
Energy saving light bulbs get dimmer over time
That’s another fine mess you’ve gotten me into, Stanley.
Very interesting review of a new book The Real Global Warming Disaster, by Christopher Booker
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1119/1224259112575.html
This may have come up already but I haven’t seen a post on it – the current sunspot number goes from ‘0′ to 20 or so and back again, yet there are no visible spots or just specs – unless you look at the magnetograms or X-rays and you see the Sun is really quite active! But of course, nobody prior to the Satellite Era would have registered a spot at this level on visibility.
How is the modern record integrated with the past? At what point do we stop a ’spot-free’ run?
Any answers?
German climate experts baffled:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
Ye gods!!
http://timesonline.typepad.com/environment/2009/11/religion-holds-key-to-saving-planet.html
Peter Taylor (06:53:09) :
Easy Peter. The answer is, whenever is politically expedient.
If it warms, the Sun is spot free, if it cools, the Sun is active. ;-)
DaveE.
Hey, anybody look at the polar temperature link? It’s making some cool etch-a-sketch moves (11/19/09).
I was watching our environment sec Mr e milliband on Andrew Marr last sunday and was amazed at how he could accept all climate change science was correct but when asked about the science claiming that we need to build 20 or more power stations by 2020 that science was rubbish. It seems he can pick the bits he wants and rubbish the rest.
Spaceweather.com has pics and text on the fireball that lit up the western sky, turning night into day in Utah, during the Leonids shower. Seems to be more fireballs lately…
anthony
Inhofe Calls 2009 “The Year of the Skeptic”
Says UN Cap and Trade Effort Dead, Urges New Path Forward
Sen. Inhofe Makes a great speech to the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
The text of the full speech is here http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Speeches&ContentRecord_id=08d7b2d2-802a-23ad-41d8-332a1ef4715e&Region_id=&Issue_id
I think this is a great speech that should be spread far and wide. The truth is a rare and valuable commodity that should not be hidden. If I lived in the US, Sen. Inhofe would get my support.
Worth a thread?
John
http://www.capefarewell.com/diskobay/argo-float-launch/#more-2084
Did you see the other pages of this disko bay thing, their instruments were not even working (maybe because everyone signed the object 1st) but they still go measurments ??
http://www.bodc.ac.uk/projects/international/argo/floats/05558/
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/heats-on-to-approve-carbon-plan/story-e6frgczf-1225799949696
Kevin Rudd Australian PM, just because we have a few hot days it’s global warming. What about the record snow in China, USA cooling in NZ? Are they going into ice age?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/heats-on-to-approve-carbon-plan/story-e6frgczf-1225799949696
Kevin Rudd Australian PM, just because we have a few hot days it’s global warming. What about the record snow in China, USA cooling in NZ? Are they going into ice age?
This is a great read:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
Breaking news at this time:-
“Belgian PM Herman van Rompuy is named as the new EU president”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8367589.stm
He wants to dispense with all national flags, he wants all European military forces to serve in the “EU military” under ’someone’s’ command, he wants to impose an EXTRA EU tax on ALL EU citizens and he insists that the unelected EU ‘parliament’ reigns supreme over all other political conclaves in the EU.
Dear United States, once we were the closest of allies but, unfortunately, we are no longer going to be permitted to be so. To those who once were our closest brothers-in-arms we bid a sad farewell from what is now the EUSSR.
Rompuy has already indicated that pursuing the AGW trail is his intention, not for the benefit of the planet but rather for the benefit of the power and control which this course of action will bestow.
We in Europe are now consigned to the dustbin of history.
I despair.
Ed From Las Vegas (14:22:40) :
> This is a great read:
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
This is the 3rd posting of this link I’ve seen at WUWT today, none with a descriptive comment that would make me want to follow the silly link. (And it’s the 2nd link in this thread!
It doesn’t help when the article starts out with:
The Earth’s average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.
Did that come from the Department of Redundancy Department? Is Der Spiegel trying to compete with The Onion?
In truth, it is a good article titled “Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out” and has quotes from German scientists struggling to admit that to Solar output and the PDO might be involved.. Well, with that quoted sentence, let’s just call it a decent article.
A link from the German news source “Der Spiegel”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,26375158-2,00.html?from=igoogle+gadget+compact+news_rss
Hey, you guys looking forward to “Methane Fireballs flying out of the ocean”???
Stagnating Temperatures Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
By Gerald Traufetter
Spiegel Online International
See: graphic showing level or declining temperatures
Dropped over to RC to see if there’s any reaction to the potential reality of sky falling on Had-CRU. There are many examples of why the alarmist attitude is off-putting to normal people. In an “Open Letter” to Super Freakonomics author Steve Levitt, Chicago Prof. Raymond T. Pierrehumbert, makes the following statement:
“Unlike energy, carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere, and builds up year after year. It is only slowly removed by absorption into the ocean, over hundreds to thousands of years.”
Of course it is another reason why IPCC models fail regularly. The large body of peer-reviewed science attesting to the short life of CO2 in atmosphere 7-15 years average.
But Pierrehumbert writes as if castigating a school child. It is one of the most condescending, arrogant, self-inflated pieces of alarmist agitprop I’ve ever read. And a reason why alarmism fails with any who examine it closely. These people yearn to be overseers of the human condition. Those days are rapidly drawing to a close.
article in Spiegel Online
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Stagnating Temperatures
Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
By Gerald Traufetter
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092-2,00.html
The Register 18th November 2009 16:15 GMT:
Renegade weatherman forecast today’s storm weeks ago.
Having missed out on finding the newest oblique ring around Saturn, I feel that the Cassini team have been spurred to greater heights to a new description of the Heliosphere. There is a cool quicktime movie of the sequence as well as a description but it took ages to download on my laptop clunker.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2370&msource=F20091119&tr=y&auid=5615216
Hello Anthony,
My name is James Follet, and I’m writing to you regarding a film on the global warming debate, called “The Church of Global Warming” which I have just completed. It is located at http://www.climatereview.net
What I wanted to achieve was a balanced review of the evidence for and against the case for anthropogenic global warming, a balanced view which would enable viewers to get a clearer perspective of the debate, and encourage them to form a more informed view.
Unfortunately, it hasn’t quite turned out that way, simply because I couldn’t find enough evidence to balance the two sides of argument: the deeper I dug, the more difficult I found it was to find evidence supporting the anthropogenic global warming case, and the more I formed the opinion that we are not undergoing dramatic climate change. Accordingly, I have adopted a more partisan tone than I originally intended, but I have still presented all sides (at least as known to me) of the debate.
My research for this film covered a wide variety of sources, including your Watt’s Up With That and Surface Stations.Org sites. There are pictures in the presentation which are derived from Surface Stations.Org, and other information has been obtained directly or indirectly from WUWT. In the film, I have tried to ensure full attribution for each chart, picture etc on that actual page, plus in a general acknowledgement section at the end.
My purpose is to let you know that sections of The Church of Global Warming, particularly the Weather Station picture(s), have been sourced from your sites, and as such I have included you in the acknowledgements. Even without specific pictures etc, I would have included you in the acknowledgements simply because of the enormous general contribution your work has provided, both on a pragmatic and inspirational level.
I have also prepared charts and slides on my own. I think for instance I may have the best graph showing average temperatures for the past century, reconstructed directly from the original HadCRUT data. I have used a two-year rolling average which removes the trend biases by both warmers and sceptics in selecting longer times.
Of course, in addition I am hoping you will be able to find the time to watch the film, and if you think it is worthwhile, comment on it on WUWT. Given WUWT is probably the premier site in the world today for even-handed analysis (or as even-handed as it is possible to be), I think Church of Global Warming is a good fit for style and content: I have endeavoured to be as balanced and factually based as I can, which is something you also strive to do.
Yours Sincerely
James Follet
20 November 2009
james.follett@climatereview.net
Modeling and trends this just out from Spiegel Online:
Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
“Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.”
“Perhaps we suggested too strongly in the past that the development will continue going up along a simple, straight line. In reality, phases of stagnation or even cooling are completely normal,” says Latif.”
Betting on Warmer Temperatures
“The Hadley Center group expects warming to resume in the coming years. “That resumption could come as a bit of a jolt,” says Hadley climatologist Adam Scaife, explaining that natural cyclical warming would then be augmented by the warming effect caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.”
It’s obvious CRU will have a lot more to be concerned with than dreaming of warming schemes for awhile!
Congrats Steve, Jeff & Anthony!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/cern_cloud_experiment/
Svensmark has started his experiment it seems.
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1221088
CLOUD project about to start!!!
Dear Anthony & team, you are running a fantastic blog. Thank you.
Would be awesome if you could check out this video that’s been made just a few days ago on the countdown to Cop15 – ‘Lord Monckton rap battles Al Gore’. If you like what it says, please give it a plug on your blog!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzR0-j0O0o
namaste
Thought people would like to know, the new EU foreign minister Baroness Ashton
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8369392.stm
has apparently worked closely with lord Stern.
Get your hard hats on !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6608229/Polar-bears-suffer-brutal-deaths-in-a-new-advert-by-climate-change-campaigners-Plane-Stupid.html
‘Lord Monckton of Brenchley, a climate change sceptic, said: “Not only is this distasteful and disrespectful, is a fraudulent piece of scaremongering.
“To grab headlines in this way is a cheap, tasteless and childish, no doubt to get attention in time for the Copenhagen Summit. Plane Stupid has surpassed itself.” ‘
Following Piers Corbyn’s seminar on October 28th descibing his Solar dynamics (magnetics etc.) weather forcasting method he made a forcast for the UK between 17th -19th (plus or minus 1day) of severe weather wkth major disruptions. See for yourself! I’m aware you are away from home at present but , if people are not listening to him its time they did!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Nigel Stevens (04:04:33) :
Campaigners Plane Stupid have engage the improbability drive.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, but just saw the latest UN claim on the results of global warming: more prostitution and spread of HIV. seriously.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/177346/climate-change-pushes-poor-women-to-prostitution-dangerous-work
Global warming causing prostitution:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/177346/climate-change-pushes-poor-women-to-prostitution-dangerous-work
Anthony,
Is it too early to start taking about a Nobel Prize for Steve McIntyre?
http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/11/20/hacked-sensitive-documents-lifted-from-hadley-climate-center/
Linked to by WSJ. Wonder if they will pick the rest of the story up. I am not going to hold my breath. And Dave, it is, apparently, never too early to start talking about a Nobel Prize.
Add this to the list of things that are caused by climate change: ‘Climate change pushes poor women to prostitution’ according to our friends at the UN.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/177346/climate-change-pushes-poor-women-to-prostitution-dangerous-work
And kidney stones!
“Harvard Says Kidney Stones, Malaria Are Climate Risks ”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aqcO7uH.0cJ8
Anthony:
Steve M. seems to have a first-cut response to Briffa on grafting temperature records that might be worth a cross-post, since his server is way too slow… but it looks pretty substantive.
Sorry, first cut response to Phil Jones… the post is “Mike’s Nature Trick” , by Jean S. and it looks pretty substantive.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/19/2748085.htm?section=justin
Australian PM thinks he’s Galileo
And no catastrophic fire today, even though nothing happened yesterday even though the warnings were out
busy times for you but this WSJ opinion piece has some logic about part of the UN’s attitude to ‘overpopulation’ and CO2 control that illustrates quite well what various groups have been pushing for for years and maybe deserves and airing.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574545323417792430.html
Alternative title for this article: Institution of Civil Engineers (ICE) quote dodgy survey to support push for massive public expenditure on civil engineering projects.
UK Independent title: Climate change survey says 83% willing to make sacrifices
By Peter Woodman, Press Association – Friday, 20 November 2009
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/climate-change-survey-says-83-willing-to-make-sacrifices-1824663.html
The survey coincided with the release of the ICE’s report, State of the Nation – Low Carbon Infrastructure, which explained why infrastructure, alongside behaviour change and political action is fundamental to creating a low-carbon society.
The report concluded that to meet ambitious carbon targets, new and existing transport, energy, waste and water networks needed to be adapted and developed to minimise emissions and highlighted the role this infrastructure had to play in changing individual and collective behaviours.
Among the short-term solutions identified in the report were rail electrification, which had the potential to reduce the carbon impact of the railways, onshore and offshore wind farms, an upgrade of the energy grid and combined heat and power plants.
Anyone with a clue as to why AGU server is down? http://www.agu.org
Or has visited the site recently, to get an idea of when it went down?