Government petition started in UK regarding CRU Climategate

 

This is for British citizens and expats only. Since George Monbiot called for Dr. Jones to resign, and for the data to be reanalysed, perhaps some UK readers can persuade him to sign.

Here are the details:

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to suspend the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia from preparation of any Government Climate Statistics until the various allegations have been fully investigated by an independent body.

Deadline to sign up by: 24 February 2010

The details of the petition:

The Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia is a “leading centre” for the investigation of “manmade global warming” and government policy relies on the integrity of these statistics. Several claims have been made: that data was “cherry picked” to make the 20th century temperature rise look exceptional in historical terms; emails suggest the unit has colluded in “tricks” to “hide the decline” in a high profile scientific journal, and this unit has colluded in active, secret and highly political campaigning through the website “realclimate”.

The preparation of climate statistics require many judgements: stations move & sites become surrounded by urban sprawl (urban heating) & a judgement must be made of the size of the offset to apply to the global temperature record. The University accepts most emails are genuine so it appears the Unit has been acting in a highly partisan way incompatible with that of a neutral body preparing and interpreting government data. We call on the PM to suspend all further use of the climate research unit until all pertinent allegations have been investigated and any action (if any) has been taken.

 

If you are a UK citizen, expat, or resident, here is where you can add your name to the petition.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/UEACRU/

 

 

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151 thoughts on “Government petition started in UK regarding CRU Climategate

  1. Climate Audit is still nearly impossible to access.

    Is it still just high traffic or is the site experiencing a denial of service attack?

    Any info? (Don’t speculate–I can do that all by myself.)

  2. Nice idea, I just signed. Unfortunately some an*l retentive has put a disparaging message instead of a name as the first entry – how can we get it removed ?

  3. When are you going to eliminate the pro-warming Google Ads. These are making this site look really stupid.

    REPLY: Well look at it this way, WUWT is advertising supported. – Anthony

  4. Has anyone yet done a “flow chart” that shows the incestuous relationships that are shared amongst these charlatans in their relationship to each other and the “peer review” papers etc. ?

  5. The government will ignore that petition. They have too much tied up in global warming (climate change) to give up now.

  6. This is slightly off topic (though as a UK citizen I am signing the petition) but I can’t think where else to get it off my chest (though I may cross post on the Guardian and Telegraph). I looked at the CRU website, and specifically the staff list. Discounting research students, support staff and individuals whose email implies they are primarily affiliated elsewhere, they have 19 staff on climate research. 19! And some of them are listing their primary interest as ‘social and economic consequences’. So one of the four primary contributors to the science that is intended to justify the bet on what happens in the future which affects *everyone* is based on the work of 19 people! For expletive’s sake! How many people are working on the LHC? How many people are supporting the space shuttle? How can anyone in their right mind say that the work of 19 people is enough. Even if it is 4 x 19!

  7. Is it me or is it the website, everytime I go back to the page the number of signatories is the same and my name is not amongst them even though I confirmed?

  8. Signed, of course. Don’t hesitate, pile in there!

    Years ago it was always said that pettions were used by politicians to light their pipes.

    I don’t think that many politicans smoke pipes nowdays. And I’m not confident that they will take much notice either. But, if we keep up pressure they will have to start taking notice and maybe even wondering what the hell the UEA ‘team’ have been up to.

    In the mean time, if they want any suggestions where they can stick OUR petition, I can offer a good one. And then they can set fire to it.

  9. TGSG;

    You need to look at the Wegman Report, I don’t have a source ( I got a copy from Steven Milloy’s ‘Junk Science’ site) but it details the cliquish nature of peer review and problematic nature of independence oin Climate Science in the US. Good starting point. I believe it was driven by a request from Senator Inhofe.


  10. TGSG (14:38:17) :

    Has anyone yet done a “flow chart” that shows the incestuous relationships that are shared amongst these charlatans in their relationship to each other and the “peer review” papers etc. ?

    Wegman report (I think it was) has one …

    Link anyone?
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  11. My name is now added to that list. It’s good to see the illustrious company I’m in – Christopher Monkton is just a few names above my own (Lynne Lancaster). :D

    Whoever the CRUgate deep throat is, we owe him (or her) a shed-load of thanks.

  12. AQ42, 14:44:55

    A staff of 19 to keep a set of monthly temp data up to scratch? It’s the sort of job that a sales secretary would be expected to do for the Director first week of every month, and to have it accurate and timely too. The real question is why it takes 13 million quid to do it, especially given that they don’t seem to have a decent programmer to chuck the numbers into a decent database.

  13. Perhaps we’ve finally reached the tipping point in the global warming debate, although personally, I’d withhold judgement for several more years to see if the flat trend continues.

  14. Also signed, and cheers for all the hard work in posting all this quality material up, reading the new posts has become the highlight of the day, especially since ClimateGate broke out.

  15. TGSG (14:38:17) :
    Wegman did this when he reviewed the Hockey Stick using Social Network Analysis for his NRC/NAS report (links at Climate Audit). He was pretty fierce in his condemnation of what he found. It is probaby time for an update. A good place to start is the list of authors for the new Copenhagen Report – a report put together by the Team(?) to update the science since the IPCC 2007 report.

    Reply: Since all of you neglected to just go out and find the Wegman Report, I did and posted it here. ~ ctm.

  16. I signed.

    “You are now signed up to this petition. Thank you.

    For news about the Prime Minister’s work and agenda, and other features including films, interviews, a virtual tour and history of No.10, visit the main Downing Street homepage

    If you’d like to tell your friends about this petition, its permanent web address is: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/UEACRU/

    We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to suspend the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia from preparation of any Government Climate Statistics until the various allegations have been fully investigated by an independent body. More details

    Submitted by Mike Haseler – Deadline to sign up by: 24 February 2010 – Signatures: 105
    More details from petition creator

    The Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia is a “leading centre” for the investigation of “manmade global warming” and government policy relies on the integrity of these statistics. Several claims have been made: that data was “cherry picked” to make the 20th century temperature rise look exceptional in historical terms; emails suggest the unit has colluded in “tricks” to “hide the decline” in a high profile scientific journal, and this unit has colluded in active, secret and highly political campaigning through the website “realclimate”.

    The preparation of climate statistics require many judgements: stations move & sites become surrounded by urban sprawl (urban heating) & a judgement must be made of the size of the offset to apply to the global temperature record. The University accepts most emails are genuine so it appears the Unit has been acting in a highly partisan way incompatible with that of a neutral body preparing and interpreting government data. We call on the PM to suspend all further use of the climate research unit until all pertinent allegations have been investigated and any action (if any) has been undertaken.”

    Very long list of co-signatures I am delighted to report.

  17. I will cross post the petition on all the UK newspaper comment sites. This needs a little advertising I think. The signature count is already rising very fast for a new Number 10 petition.

    and Nigel

    Don’t worry your No 7 on the list!

  18. **********************
    Henry chance (14:27:46) :
    Watch the money dry up. I suspect the guildt by association will have a wide reach.

    http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/Pope_L.pdf

    They cry “taken out of context”
    Here is what it is like if Jones and Mann discuss a paper from someone they don’t like.
    *************************
    Hopefully, all climate scientists whose publications have been interfered with by the Hockey Team will speak up. It would be interesting to see how much of a problem this has been.

  19. Done.

    With an election coming up a good number of petitioners might convince the politicians that there are votes in it. I see that George Osborne (Tory shadow finance minister for our overseas readers) hasn’t got the message yet. He’s still talking about tackling climate change today, being greener that the other lot, slashing emmisions etc. He needs to talk to his predecessor Nigel Lawson.

    I wonder if there will be a question to the PM in tomorrow’s PM Question Time.

  20. Signed.
    However, for the uninitiated, it’s an unfortunate fact that this government takes not the slightest notice of these petitions. They’re merely the faux-face of a ‘nanny-knows-best’ regime.

  21. My direct line of ancestors immigrated to N. America in the early 1600’s. Does that make me an “ex-pat”? ;) If so I’ll sign the petition.

  22. Don’t like the wording of it! Too soft! I’m waiting for Senator Inhofe to get things stirred up properly. Those polls are set up so you won’t get a confirmation email possibly for days.It started when there was a ‘ Do we hate Brown’ poll and they didn’t want the true number signing up on the first day to be too horrific.

  23. I’ve just signed, and have posted the link on Twitter as well. But commenter Pragmatic (on an earlier thread) also had a very good idea, to write to UEA Chancellor Sir Brandon Gough and send a copy to Charles Clarke (MP for Norwich South and former Home Secretary). Writing a letter makes it more personal, shows that the writer is serious and makes it much more likely for the writer to get an individual reply. What I’ll also do in the weeks to come is write to my local MP and prospective MPs for my local area – in the UK we will have a general election next year (probably in May), so I think it important that those who apply to represent us in Parliament appreciate the depths of our feelings about this scandalous affair. At the moment, none of the three main political parties in the UK are officially sceptical about AGW, but if enough of their constituents come forward with their concerns about the corrupted science of AGW, this, I hope, may well help to prompt members of the next government to re-think their stance on the climate issue.

  24. Completely pointless I’m afraid. Try again in 6 months when we have a new Government. Still melons but maybe not so ripe.

  25. I will E-mail a UK dual Citizen I know about this.Hehehe. There is going to be one heck of a Round-up on this one, but persevere-we will win….

  26. Who said this?* Maybe they should follow their own prescription and remove themselves from the scientific community, since they engage in vicious public and hidden attacks on the reputations of individual scientists who disagree with the orthodoxy.

    “In my personal opinion, Michaels should be kicked
    out of the AMS, the University of Virginia, and the scientific community
    as a whole. He cannot on the one hand engage in vicious public attacks
    on the reputations of individual scientists (in the past he has attacked
    Tom Karl, Tom Wigley, Jim Hansen, Mike Mann, myself, and numerous
    others), and on the other hand expect to be treated as a valued member
    of our professional societies. “

    *[answer: Ben Santer of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory about CATO's Pat Michaels in 1255095172.txt]

  27. Inhofe Begins Hadley Center “Climategate” Investigation

    Warns Participants to Retain Documents

    Washington, D.C.-Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, today sent letters to several scientists, some of whom allegedly manipulated data to prove the scientific “consensus” of global warming, as well as to the inspectors general of several federal agencies, notifying them to retain documents related to the release of emails from the Hadley Center’s Climate Research Unit.

    “The stakes in this controversy are significant, as it appears that the basis of federal programs, pending EPA rulemakings, and cap-and-trade legislation was contrived and fabricated,” Sen. Inhofe said. “Moreover, it appears that, in an attempt to conceal the manipulation of climate data, information disclosure laws may have been violated.

    “I certainly don’t condone the manner in which these emails were released; however, now that they are in the public domain, lawmakers have an obligation to determine the extent to which the so-called ‘consensus’ of global warming, formed with billions of taxpayer dollars, was contrived in the biased minds of the world’s leading climate scientists.”

    The letters are the first step in the investigation of the Hadley Center climate scandal. Last week, emails released by a computer hacker revealed that several leading climate scientists allegedly manipulated climate data and research used by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). These scientists also appear to have refused outside access to their raw data, obstructed freedom of information requests, and plotted ways to prevent the publication of papers in peer-reviewed journals by scientists who question global warming alarmism.

    Story here;

    http://washingtonindependent.com/68878/inhofe-launches-climategate-investigation

  28. Please, those petitions don’t do [selfsnip]. We ran one to get rid of our [selfsnip] [selfsnip]-poor Primeminister and all we got out of it was a [selfsnip] sanctimonious email reply.

  29. Mark M 14:31

    We can hope that the first signatory will be removed –

    “You must be a British citizen or resident to sign the petition. Please enter your name only; signatures containing other text may be removed by the petitions team.”

    In any case, once it gets beyond 500(?) names it will only show the most recent 500.

    I hate saying it, but these petitions are generally pretty pointless. The only one they have paid any attention to was a couple of years ago to stop road-pricing. That attracted well over a million names. Even in spite of the result the DoT is still preparing to do just that.

  30. A very good response so far. One chap has signed himself as a “global defrosting believer”. Brilliant!

  31. I signed. Shame it will take so long for it to get to the PM though.

    Deadline to sign up by: 24 February 2010.

  32. I have the same opinion about these people as I do about the politicians with their heads in the troughs, as they are no different. They should go to jail.

  33. From CBSNews Blogs Posted by Declan McCullagh

    On one hand, over at RealClimate.org, Gavin Schmidt, a modeler for the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has been downplaying the leak. Schmidt wrote: “There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research … no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords.”

    Gavin? Why would you say that to a reporter? Now I am waiting for a second batch of files to appear :)

  34. The BBC and MSM must also be inundated with mail. Stick to the science ie CO2 is not the driver of climate. Be sympathetic to researchers who believe their models but not empirical data. The alarmists need an exit strategy. It will not help the politicians if all they observe is a slanging match. Remember, nearly all UK politicos have no science or maths background. Demand an open debate about AGW theory and make sure Prof Richard Lindzen is included.
    Jeremy Paxman, Andrew Neal or Jeff Randall may be appropriate journalists.
    G.Watkins

  35. I have signed, 156 now have.
    It may well have no effect, but not signing because of that thought isn’t an option in truth.

    BTW the science museum count is now
    * 5226 counted in so far
    * 7672 counted out so far

    So my my reckoning there are over 7500 left to sign this petition.


  36. Reply: Since all of you neglected to just go out and find the Wegman Report, I did and posted it here. ~ ctm.

    Thanks Charles; just keep this in mind SOME of us are still at work AND are supposed to be turning the crank of productivity! (Brief posts and very few searches are the order of the day.)
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  37. L. Gardy LaRoche (15:30:53) :
    “Hide the Decline !!”

    Brilliant video dude.
    I love when people make videos and post youtube stories, to make up for the the biased MSM and their lack of news coverage. The MSM is no longer the authority on news, the Internet now is. I wonder how the MSM feels about that?

  38. AQ42 – an interesting comment. In reality CRU is probably a lot less. Maybe just 4 permanent staff, a few others on soft money, others honorary and visiting positions. The interesting thing is the close knit network that originated in CRU and are on many of the emails: Wigley (former Director), Santer (former student), Jones, Briffa, Osborne (present CRU), Davies (UEA pro-vice chancellor – former director) plus possibly others.

  39. Although I can understand why a petition may prove a useful conduit for venting off, I
    very much doubt that it will produce any noticeable benefit.
    Witness the effect of the 31k scientists expressing doubts about the credibility of dangerous man-made climatic influences.
    It was hacked and gleefully defaced by willing warmists and held up to ridicule.
    The current UK establishment has no interest in listening to its public, the power to petition is but a glossy marketing mirage, an illusion to deflect delusion.
    The events of the last few days give us all an opportunity to re-assess our viewpoints. For some, those who’ve long followed the climate story, it’ll be pretty much business as usual but for many others anger and bewilderment are only to be expected.
    Not that long ago, I totally believed that man-made global warming was a catastrophe in the making. I began to question my beliefs when I started to notice just how nasty, dismissive and authoritarian sites like Tamino and RealClimate were when compared to ‘Sceptical’ sites. Maybe it’s a poor way to judge the correctness of Science by comparing the manners of the participants but, as a layman, that’s why I began to dig .
    To cut an otherwise long story short, I learned whom I could trust and, judging by recent happenings, I feel very comfortable with that choice.
    As SMc, of He-Whose-Name-Cannot-Be-Mentioned (except in deleted emails [snark off- :)], would say; Stop piling on!
    I sincerely hope that this petition does catch the imagination and prove that, not for the first time, I’m wrong!

  40. OT , but somewhat pertinent . Has anyone heard from Richard Courtney ? He posted here occasionally in the past – and very thoughtful posts they were . I’d love to get his take on all of this . ( It’s prertinent because he’s British . )

  41. If our government doesn’t prosecute these people who are guilty of fraud and deceiving the entire world, then I am going to call for a Public Grand Jury to be formed which the people themselves can initiate in order to prosecute these criminals. We do not need our government to take the lead on this, we can do it ourselves. We are talking about 79 billion dollars of our tax payer money spent so far on their junk science and the biggest scientific fraud ever played on us.

    The last time a public grand jury was formed was in Arkansas to indict President Bill Clinton for his Monica Lewinsky sex scandal. Michael Man’s trial can be held in Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty, where he works. Screw our government, we will do this ourselves. It’s all legal under common law.

    First, a grand jury, as is the case of any other types of jury, is a jury assembled of people from the general public. This is what makes a jury public. Indict means for a grand jury to decide that there is enough evidence to bring an accused before the court to answer the charges.

    More information on how to do it here et al;

    Independent Grand Jury Formation Committee
    Strategy for the Revival of Law & Justice

    http://www.efn.org/~iahu/Freedom-Point/revival.html

  42. It so happens that my local MP, Simon Hughes, is also the Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change…. I have sent him a letter as both a concerned constituent and concerned taxpayer, and will post any reply….

  43. Done (with my landline name!)

    Whenever I find posters saying versions of “this won’t work” I look for more ways to prove it will work and to make it work. Or I reinforce existing ways. Or I look for better alternatives. Eg…

    After World War II, a high-ranking German spoke of a “secret weapon” we possessed that they could not match. “It was, we believe, called the Silent Minute”.

  44. Dr.T G Watkins (16:00:39) :
    The BBC and MSM must also be inundated with mail. Stick to the science ie CO2 is not the driver of climate. Be sympathetic to researchers who believe their models but not empirical data. The alarmists need an exit strategy. It will not help the politicians if all they observe is a slanging match. Remember, nearly all UK politicos have no science or maths background. Demand an open debate about AGW theory and make sure Prof Richard Lindzen is included.
    Jeremy Paxman, Andrew Neal or Jeff Randall may be appropriate journalists.
    G.Watkins

    Spot on Sir.
    It’s not pleasant, if you think you’ve been duped, but life must go on and an Exit Strategy is key to moving on. Slanging off has been the norm in the debate, this is not the way forward when determining how we move on.
    Sadly it’s all so easy to allow anger to stifle reason when that dear old auntie, the BBC, still refuses to take her medication and ramps up the hysteria.

  45. P Walker (16:37:25) : OT , but somewhat pertinent . Has anyone heard from Richard Courtney ? He posted here occasionally in the past – and very thoughtful posts they were . I’d love to get his take on all of this .

    Agreed. I’ll never forget his describing how Maggie Thatcher started so much of this monster that has grown imperceptibly. To fight the miners. (1) She cut all research funding – therefore researchers are competing for funds (2) but she made funds available in all disciplines to research supporting AGW – therefore the basis for “divide and rule” is set up since disciplines cannot disprove each other (3) she set up the Hadley Centre. Here is Courtney himself, hosted by the same John Daly that Santer (? one of the Team) said was glad had died:

    http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm

  46. Except for Glenn Beck et al, the MSM CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, et al are comprised of CFR (council on foreign relations) agents(members) pushing their foreign policy for global governance. These are the same people who write US foreign policy. They got so close to global government the can smell it. That’s why the MSM doesn’t cover Climategate. Do you believe me now?

  47. Signed…

    The past week has been quite a whirlwind and deeply disturbing from many angles.

    Thanks for your continued hard work and dedication Anthony.

    Long live true scientific investigation and discovery.

  48. For some strange reason i’ve been tuned into BBC24 for the last 120 minutes. Call it masochism, dunno maybe I’ve a side to me that I’m in denial about.
    Perhaps I’m mistuned but it seems that every third story-line I hear is about how bad man is to the environment – don’t ask me about the two fillers, just don’t !
    That once beloved bastion of impartionality and truth, the BBC, is part of the problem (thanks mandelson) – and the solution that it advocates is a demolition-derby of plain stupidity.
    No more licence tax from me- as Dr Phil would say- *osser

  49. a couple of months ago I posted in comments om wuwt that agw was all about power politics and not science and said if Anthony had found electric blankets wrapped around the data stations during his surveys it would not make one bit of difference to the pro awg scientists. Little did I know that those scientists not only put the electric blankets on the data stations but turn them on high.These liars should be put in jail or else let all the check forgers out.

  50. Alvin (15:51:02) :
    From CBSNews Blogs Posted by Declan McCullagh
    Gavin Schmidt,”……no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords.”
    Is Gavin admitting to having socialist/communist/vegetarian as overlords?

  51. There in the States it would be better to Fax your elected elite.
    You can sign a petition Grassfire.org. Along with the petition you can add comments. For $60.00 your fax will reach 101 of our finest elected elites.

    http://www.grassfire.org

  52. I adapted my program that accumulates Science Museum poll counts to track this petition too. I’m not putting the data on the web yet, but at least I have it if something interesting happens. I might save some of the signatory lists if that’s a good thing to do.

    BTW, the Science Museum data and links are at http://wermenh.com/proveit.html

    I have something to add about that, I’ll put it on Tips & Notes when ready (a FOI request to the Museum).

  53. This topic just keeps getting more awesome by the day. Intriguing like Watergate but moving at the warp speed of the internet.

    Just wait ’til McIntyre gets a chance to wade through the data and code. I salivate at the thought!

    Keep up the good work Anthony and crew.

  54. I’ll look at the petition!

    The BBC and Roger Harrabin are already at it tonight! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8377128.stm

    “This year will be one of the top five warmest years globally since records began 150 years ago, according to figures compiled by the Met Office.”

    I’ve already posted a reply to this on the Paul Hudon Blog, which seems to be the only way to comment on articles:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2009/11/climategate-what-next.shtml

    Post Number 10. For 50% of the years since 1998 Haldey and Prof Jones have indeed predicted “A new Warm record” and it ain’t happened yet! Why do the BBC fall for the same trick as more recently as 2007/2005/2003 ! Specifically to Prof Jones I highlighted to them his now almost certainly to fail prediction he made in 2003. An extract:


    It’s ironic the article below from the BBC archive in 2003, is actually about 2003 ‘failing’ to meet expectations of another global record – hmmm deja vu again? But right at the end of the piece are the famous words of Prof Jones:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3325033.stm

    “Globally, I expect the five years from 2006 to 2010 will be about a tenth of a degree warmer than 2001 to 2005.”

    So, with just 1 year to go (2010) then temperature has actually DROPPED by -0.051C, which is actually the opposite sign and half the magnitude of Prof Jones prediction (so far).

    But, let’s be fair if 2010 came in at 0.65C that would pull the average up to 0.445C, so that would mean No Change! Of coarse 0.65C would indeed be a new Warm Record by some magnitude considering 1998 came in at 0.515C!”

    I also got an moderator editing message for an illegal link :-\ Ironic I thought ;-D

    “Thank you for contributing to a BBC blog. Unfortunately we’ve had to edit your Posting below because it contravened one of our House Rules.

    Perhaps you included an email address or contact details? The main part of your content is still visible, and the edited content marked within [brackets].

    Comments posted to BBC blogs may be removed if they contain links to other websites which break our Editorial Guidelines

    The URL(s) which failed were:

    http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/annual

    (For example do not link directly to pdfs, or other documents that need software installed to view them) ”

    LOL!

  55. Roger Knights (14:19:03) :

    “Tough I speak from Seattle, I say, “Hear, hear!””

    Speaking from Michigan I say ditto!

  56. Hockey is a tough game and the team has been caught playing dirty. Rather than have their heads delivered on a platter I believe the league should send in its toughest referee. I propose that Steve McIntyre referee all the teams future publications and be allowed to audit all their data.

    No heads should roll, because we don’t want to gloat, nor do we want to be vindictive. Phil Jones is great at raising grant money so I propose that some of that money should pay for Steve McIntyre’s and Anthony Watts’ time and effort to keep them honest. That’s what I would vote if I could, but I’m Canadian.

    I just want the team to serve


  57. Michael (17:30:26) :

    Except for Glenn Beck et al, the MSM CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, et al are comprised of CFR (council on foreign relations) agents(members) pushing their …

    Please, PLEASE Michael, let’s DISCREDIT these people on something we can LAY OUR HANDS ON and leave these fanciful OLD ‘… theories’ aside for the
    time being (you’re about 1/2 my age, trust me, they are OLD theories; riddle me why DID ‘they’ NOT take-over-the-world while the Soviet Union was *still* intact? … enough now)
    .
    .

  58. Let me add to the truncated comment: I just want the team to serve a 2 minute penalty – an apology is fine- and then let Steve and Anthony be paid to referee their actions. Science will continue but dirty play will stop.

  59. I love that Ed Begley comment “Do you have an insurance policy on your house? Why wouldn’t you want one for Global Warming?”

    Actually, Ed, for the very same reason that I don’t have an insurance policy against Godzilla attacks. Why spend money to protect against something that’s completely made up?

  60. Strange. I signed up late last night; this morning, my signiture’s not there anymore. Is the #10 site having problems? (UK subject, registered to vote, has signed previous petitions.)

  61. Unfortunately as a UK citizen I have to say that these on-line petitions aren’t worth the paper they’re (not) written on. The government just ignores them and carries on as usual. I don’t think that there is a single case where one of these petitions has actually influenced policy / decision making.

  62. @ Thomas (16:40:22) :

    Thank you for posting this video “Have a glimpse into the psychotic mind of the control freak green death cultist”.

    It is a must watch.

  63. I keep getting an error message on the petition – please enter a valid email address – even though I have done so.

    I think they should iron these problems out if they expect people to sign up.

  64. Have just filled in the petition form to 10, Downing Street in connection with the leaked CRU e-mails.On opening the e-mail you subsequently sent me, I clicked on the link, but nothing happened. In other words my vote was not registered.I had already tried twice before with the same result. There is serious problem here which needs sorting. Uk subject by the way

  65. In USA, Sen. Inhofe has sent the following letter to:
    Letter to Dr. Wigley
    Letter to Dr. Santer
    Letter to Dr. Mann
    Letter to Ms. Wood
    Letter to Ms. McClellan
    Letter to Ms. Heatwole
    Letter to Mr. Forch
    Letter to Mr. Ehlenbach
    Letter to Dr. Courtney
    Letter to Professor Bradley
    Letter to Dr. Wigley
    Letter to Dr. Santer
    Letter to Dr. Mann
    Letter to Dr. Hughes
    Letter to Dr. Ammann
    Letter to EPA IG
    Letter to Dept. of Interior
    Letter to Dept. of Energy
    Letter to CEQ
    Letter to OMB IG
    Letter to Commerce IG

    Asking them not to destroy any documents, or else!

  66. Signed. Thank you WUWT for bringing this to my attention.

    Well I see the “Clinton Defence” is being trotted out. “I did not have contextual intercourse with that hockey stick.”

  67. Signed it as well, though every petition I’ve signed the BrownClown has ignored.

    Excellent site Anthony – read it everyday without fail.
    Right now, CRU look as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of pooh !

  68. I’m afraid a 350+ year removal from Norfolk makes for a pretty dodgy claim to ex-pat status.

    Would having to spend eighteen hours stuck at Heathrow in 2007 count?

  69. That Peter Lilley video is interesting. I didn’t know he was a sceptic, though I do recall Christopher Booker mentioning that Lilley was apparently the only MP who asked any awkward questions during the parliamentary debate in October of last year (when there had been snow, the first October snow in London for 70 years).

    Apparently Lilley was the only MP to ask for a costing of the government climate change program under discussion. It is scandalous that the government had no figures. How could MP’s vote on something when they didn’t know what it would cost? Unbelievable.

    Booker reported recently that the government finally slipped out the figure: 400 billion pounds (about 660 billion dollars). Ouch. But it gets better. Sooner after that, the Telegraph reported a study by a large accountancy firm: they say it will cost 1.2 trillion pounds (about 2 trillion dollars).

    Quick note to Gordon Brown: before spending all that hard-earned dosh, shouldn’t we be sure the science is right?

    I note that the two fairly prominent UK politicians who are sceptical are also both Conservative. As one myself (though I will be voting UKIP now that Cameron has broken his word on the referendum), I just wonder if Conservatives tend to be more sceptical than Labour supporters. If so, that may be reason for some hope. But the signs are not encouraging.
    Chris

  70. Signed up to the Petition, was at 702 signatures.

    They can have an effect. There is one running at the moment which is about the government decision to scrap childcare vouchers in the Uk. The petition stands at over 89000 signatures.

    Due to the number of people who have signed that petition, the government have already made a U Turn.

    They do take notice if its they can see that the issue is a vote loser.

  71. I just forgot to mention that I just signed. Some people expressed doubt over whether it will make a difference. It probably won’t, but you never know. It will depend on how many signatures arrive.

    Some of you will recall the petition about road pricing a couple of years ago. Although I don’t own a car or drive I signed the petition, becaase there vwas an important issue of personal liberty and privacy. There were roughly 100,000 signatures. Now the government seems to have dropped the scheme. Who knows, maybe the petition did have some influence, after all. Let’s hope this one reaches 100,000….
    Chris

  72. Walter Hughes (02:09:09) :

    Have just filled in the petition form to 10, Downing Street in connection with the leaked CRU e-mails.On opening the e-mail you subsequently sent me, I clicked on the link, but nothing happened. In other words my vote was not registered.I had already tried twice before with the same result. There is serious problem here which needs sorting. Uk subject by the way

    There seems to be an issue on their end – when I try to refresh the page, Firefox sends:

    GET /UEACRU/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: petitions.number10.gov.uk
    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/2.0.0.5-1.2 Firefox/2.0.0.5
    Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
    Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
    Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
    Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
    Keep-Alive: 300
    Connection: keep-alive
    Referer: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/24/government-petition-started-in-uk-regarding-cru-climategate/
    If-Modified-Since: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:01:04 GMT
    Cache-Control: max-age=0

    but gets back:

    HTTP/1.0 304 Not Modified
    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:50:58 GMT
    Server: Apache/2.2.9
    X-Cache: HIT from localhost
    X-Cache-Lookup: HIT from localhost:80
    Via: 1.0 localhost (squid/3.0.STABLE8)
    Connection: keep-alive

    so Firefox sticks with the old page. If you empty your cache, it should work.

    The numbers are growing:

    tux:python> cat number10.log
    Nov 25 01:42 UTC: 261
    Nov 25 01:44 UTC: 261
    Nov 25 02:00 UTC: 261
    Nov 25 02:30 UTC: 270
    Nov 25 03:00 UTC: 272
    Nov 25 03:30 UTC: 279
    Nov 25 04:00 UTC: 279
    Nov 25 04:30 UTC: 279
    Nov 25 05:00 UTC: 288
    Nov 25 05:30 UTC: 292
    Nov 25 06:00 UTC: 295
    Nov 25 06:30 UTC: 299
    Nov 25 07:00 UTC: 309
    Nov 25 07:30 UTC: 314
    Nov 25 08:00 UTC: 330
    Nov 25 08:30 UTC: 337
    Nov 25 09:00 UTC: 353
    Nov 25 09:30 UTC: 374
    Nov 25 10:00 UTC: 404
    Nov 25 10:30 UTC: 454
    Nov 25 11:00 UTC: 501
    Nov 25 11:30 UTC: 548
    Nov 25 12:00 UTC: 609
    Nov 25 12:30 UTC: 653

    Another odd thing, I don’t see “Walter Hughes” in the list of signatories, though the page is only listing the most recent 500. There is a Bryan Hughes.

  73. And then they go and spoil it all with these two –
    This year ‘in top five warmest’ . Good old UK MET office again. They are predicting 2010 may be the hottest on record, so get your hats and mits out people. Then –
    Climate policies ‘improve health’ . This is perhaps the most egregious story in a long time, given the widely acknowledged fact that the money thrown into AGW’s voracious maw could actually have been spent to ensure clean water and energy for just about everyone who doesn’t have them. Now THAT would improve health.

  74. When are you going to eliminate the pro-warming Google Ads. These are making this site look really stupid.

    REPLY: Well look at it this way, WUWT is advertising supported – Anthony

    I agree with Anthony, I find it deliciously ironic that the AGW movement advertises here and supports his efforts to educate people, which leads to skepticism, then eventual denial of AGW. Take their money!

  75. Signed.

    Brown won’t do anything though, it would kill his excuses for taxing the British motorist to death.

  76. Signed, won’t take any rocket science to identify me, no matter.

    I have a feeling that “Hide the decline” will become the watch-phrase at our reunions in future years, rather like “May the Force be with you!”

    Now, where is that Youtube clip of the last 10 minutes of V for Vendetta?

  77. How refreshing to see the Peter Lilley interview. I didn’t think there were any sceptical serving MPs. He won’t be popular with his Tory leaders.
    It seems to me (nothing scientific about this, of course) that people in the UK who take an interest in and read about this subject tend to be the sceptics and the rest are happy to accept what they’re told by the media and politicians.
    Not just the Government but all the main parties are willing to see the economy wrecked even further than it is already by agreeing to our Climate Change Bill (only 3 votes against; presumably Peter Lilley was one of them). They don’t seem to worry about power cuts – wind turbines and solar panels will prevent those. They will be very reluctant to change tack, as PL says.

  78. Wow. That Ed Begley really is a madman.

    More exposure for him please. Can only do good for those of us who have even a bit of common sense…

  79. I’ve just signed this petition, but it wont do any good.
    Ten Downing Street always ignore these petitions.
    They just have this facility to make the peasants think they have a say in government policy.

  80. Why has the following referenced e-mail been considerably edited since its first appearance? What is going on?

    http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=544&filename=1120593115.txt

    Originally it contained the text from our Prof. Phil Jones dated July 5, 2005:

    “As you know, I’m not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences.”

    Original text can be seen at:

    http://www.catallaxyfiles.com/blog/?p=7006

    Our Phil makes the implicit admission that there is no proof for AGW! How could he say such a thing!

  81. You may be interested in this quote, taken from a BBC broadcast.

    “2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.”

    Herman Van Rompuy, New President of the European Union

    This man was never elected to this post. He was chosen as our beloved leader in the same way the Politbureau chose the leaders of the Soviet Union.

    Who says there is no conspiracy ?

    The speech may be viewed here: http://www.infiniteunknown.net/category/global-news/

  82. To The Men Of England

    Men of England, wherefore plough
    For the lords who lay ye low?
    Wherefore weave with toil and care
    The rich robes your tyrants wear?

    Wherefore feed and clothe and save,
    From the cradle to the grave,
    Those ungrateful drones who would
    Drain your sweat — nay, drink your blood?

    Wherefore, Bees of England, forge
    Many a weapon, chain, and scourge,
    That these stingless drones may spoil
    The forced produce of your toil?

    Have ye leisure, comfort, calm,
    Shelter, food, love’s gentle balm?
    Or what is it ye buy so dear
    With your pain and with your fear?

    The seed ye sow another reaps;
    The wealth ye find another keeps;
    The robes ye weave another wears;
    The arms ye forge another bears.

    Sow seed, — but let no tyrant reap;
    Find wealth, — let no imposter heap;
    Weave robes, — let not the idle wear;
    Forge arms, in your defence to bear.

    Shrink to your cellars, holes, and cells;
    In halls ye deck another dwells.
    Why shake the chains ye wrought? Ye see
    The steel ye tempered glance on ye.

    With plough and spade and hoe and loom,
    Trace your grave, and build your tomb,
    And weave your winding-sheet, till fair
    England be your sepulchre!

    Percy Bysshe Shelley

  83. Edward Forster (07:31:38) :
    “Why has the following referenced e-mail been considerably edited since its first appearance? What is going on?”

    Looks like the message was cut after a special character in the word “naive”. I quess it might be database related error on that site.

  84. Signed – no. 1042. Keep up the good work with this site. I too, though, am sceptical about the benefit of signing No 10 petitions. I signed the one asking our illustrious, hardworking PM to resign and a couple of months later received that sanctimonious email saying how hard he was working to “save” our country, completely ignoring the petition.

    I am more concerned with the removal of planning controls in England so that wind farm developers can erect the blasted things quicker, desicrate our countryside and receive massive subsidies and profits while contributing virtually nothing to the security of our energy supplies, and all in the name of green energy and helping reduce CO2 emissions. What a joke.

  85. Ed Begley – WOW!

    Talk about trying to silence dissent.

    With friends like that who needs enemies….

  86. I think signing these petitions gives them a nice database of people who disagree with them. They are never going to change policy as a result of any petition, why tell them who you are?

  87. DennisA (11:51:01) :

    I think signing these petitions gives them a nice database of people who disagree with them. They are never going to change policy as a result of any petition, why tell them who you are?

    Well, the UK Government just caved into a petition signed by about 500 people. Would you believe it? No, but it’s true:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8369172.stm

    But then, what would else you expect from Gordon and his sorry crew.

  88. I have signed, although like other Brits have said, it is extremely likely that Brown will complete ignore it. As he has done everything else.

    That ‘Hide the Decline’ video is brilliant. Can people more computer savvy than me please ensure it gets round the world like the Dan Hannan slagging Brown off did.

    I have never heard of Ed Begley. Who is this nutter?

  89. ******************
    DennisA (11:51:01) :
    I think signing these petitions gives them a nice database of people who disagree with them. They are never going to change policy as a result of any petition, why tell them who you are?
    ********************
    This sort of attitude will just help the Socialist maintain power. You Brits need to stand up and be heard. Vote for more free market candidates. Get rid of the rascals!!

  90. Edward Forster (07:31:38) :

    Why has the following referenced e-mail been considerably edited since its first appearance? What is going on?

    It seems to be getting truncated – look at the last line

    The original “release” is as you say

  91. Been to the “Number 10″ website. Has been showing only 261 signatories since yesterday. Have they deliberately stopped the count??

  92. I have signed but I doubt it will do anything.

    uk.gov thought this petition thingy was a good idea until they realised it was a nice focal point for people’s anger at their own policies and failures.

    One uk.gov minister called the guy who invented the petitions site a “prat” when it effectively killed off road pricing.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1401042.ece

    “THE Downing Street aide branded a “prat” by a minister for encouraging the public to start official online petitions is Benjamin Wegg-Prosser, a former adviser to Peter Mandelson. “

  93. Locke55 (20:40:27) :

    > Been to the “Number 10″ website. Has been showing only 261 signatories since yesterday. Have they deliberately stopped the count??

    Please read previous comments from me.

    latest counts:
    Nov 26 09:00 UTC: 1430
    Nov 26 09:30 UTC: 1443
    Nov 26 10:00 UTC: 1458
    Nov 26 10:30 UTC: 1470
    Nov 26 11:00 UTC: 1484
    Nov 26 11:30 UTC: 1503
    Nov 26 12:00 UTC: 1518
    Nov 26 12:30 UTC: 1533
    Nov 26 13:00 UTC: 1549
    Nov 26 13:30 UTC: 1563
    Nov 26 14:00 UTC: 1580
    Nov 26 14:30 UTC: 1592
    Nov 26 15:00 UTC: 1600
    Nov 26 15:30 UTC: 1611
    Nov 26 16:00 UTC: 1621
    Nov 26 16:30 UTC: 1628
    Nov 26 17:00 UTC: 1639
    Nov 26 17:31 UTC: 1650
    Nov 26 18:00 UTC: 1657

  94. Signed. Maybe it’s pointless, but who can really tell ahead of time?

    Just realised: I’m a native of East Anglia and a resident of NZ.

    Double shame.

  95. There is something a bit odd about this petition – the numbers update irregularly and the total signatures – 2000 (at the time of writing – 23:30 GMT 29/11) – is different from the number in the list of petitions 2061. And it wasn’t updating properly on its first day of operation.

    Also it has taken 3 days (assuming he uses GMT) to go from Ric Werme’s 1657 to 2061 (an additional 400 odd) when if the rate had remained the same it would have gone up by 1800. Probably this is ok – these petitions can lose steam, but…

  96. Quick update:

    tux:python> grep 00:0 number10.log
    Nov 26 00:00 UTC: 1350
    Nov 27 00:00 UTC: 1767
    Nov 28 00:00 UTC: 1893
    Nov 29 00:00 UTC: 1981
    Nov 30 00:00 UTC: 2064
    Dec 01 00:00 UTC: 2158
    Dec 02 00:00 UTC: 2229

  97. I have just signed the ptition but expect it will be treated in the same way that the one I signed last year asking Gorden Brown to resign was.(Nearly half a million signed and we were given some flannel “The Prime Misister doesn’t agree and is working hard ect”)
    He thinks I am a square earth er because I am sceptical and I on the other hand just think he is incompitent.

  98. RE: bryan clark (14:33:03) :

    “When are you going to eliminate the pro-warming Google Ads. These are making this site look really stupid.

    REPLY: Well look at it this way, WUWT is advertising supported. – Anthony”
    ————————————————————————

    I get a great big thrill by clicking those Ad’s and knowing that Anthony gets paid for it.
    Click those Ad’s.

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