Daniel Simmons writes:
Great work with Watts Up With That on the CRU email scandal. Hopefully this scandal will lead to increased openness in climate science.

With all of the noise about those emails I wanted to bring your attention to an EPA comment period that closes this Friday. As you previously covered on Watts Up With That, EPA is working on declaring that CO2 and GHGs greenhouse gases endanger human health and welfare under the Clean Air Act. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/epa-sends-co2-endangerment-finding-to-the-white-house/
That endangerment finding is the first step to regulating GHGs and the second is to develop the actual regulations to regulate GHGs for cars and light trucks. On Friday, the comment period for EPA’s proposed regulations on cars and light trucks closes. It would be very helpful to push back on the proposed endangerment finding by pushing back on the proposed regulations on cars and light trucks and sending EPA as many comments as possible on the proposed GHG regulations for cars.
We want to make sure as many people as possible know about this proposed rule and generate as many comments as possible. To facilitate people sending comments to EPA on the proposed rule, we put up a page that contains a model comment to send to EPA. http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/contact_form/index2.php The model comment is completely modifiable.
Also, here is EPA’s Proposed Rule: http://www.epa.gov/oms/climate/regulations.htm
and a direct link to the Docket to submit comments to EPA is here: http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#docketDetail?R=EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0472
People can also send email on this rule directly to EPA at a-and-r-Docket@epa.gov.
It would be very helpful if you would let your readers know about this comment period. Because of Thanksgiving and the cap-and-trade bills, this proposed rule hasn’t gotten very much attention and yet it relies on the same science as EPA’s other regulations and will help trigger a regulatory cascade of EPA inserting itself into many areas of life because those activities emit GHGs.
Here’s more background: To address climate change (and relying on the standards sources of climate science–the IPCC, NCDC, GISS, etc.) EPA is proposing to use the Clean Air Act to require 35 mpg fleetwide fuel economy standards by 2016—four years faster than Congress’ plan in the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. Not only will this rule drive up car and truck prices and limit consumer choice, it will start a regulatory cascade with EPA regulating GHGs using a number of sections of the Clean Air Act.
But EPA’s data show that the rule is all cost and no benefit. According to EPA, the proposed rule will increase car and truck prices an average $1,100. (74 Fed. Reg. 49460) As a result of less CO2 in the air, the rule will lead to decrease in global mean temperature by 16 thousandths of a degree Celsius (0.016°C) in 2100 and a decrease in mean sea level rise by 1.5 mm. (74 Fed. Reg. 49589) That’s not a joke—that’s what the rule says. Obviously 16 thousandths of a degree Celsius, 90 years down the road will not affect the climate in any way.
It would be bad enough if the rule only imposed exorbitant costs and with no benefits. But this will start the regulatory cascade that many of us have written about. To finalize this rule, EPA would also finalize their “endangerment finding” (in other words, EPA would find that GHGs from motor vehicles harm public health and welfare). CO2 and GHGs will become subject to National Ambient Air Quality Standards, New Sour Performance Standards, Hazardous Air Quality Standards, among other regulatory schemes.
If EPA makes an endangerment finding for GHGs, that action would make two permitting programs apply to GHGs—prevention of significant deterioration (PSD) and Title V. PSD applies to stationary sources which emit more than 250 tons a year and Title V applies to stationary sources which emit 250 tons per year. According to EPA, this would force as many as 6 million buildings (school, churches, hospitals, office buildings, farms, etc.) to comply with the Clean Air Act’s permitting provisions. To try to address this problem, EPA has proposed a “tailoring rule.” The point of the tailoring rule is that 250 tons per year of emissions can be read to mean 25,000 tons per year. Again, that’s not a joke: http://www.openmarket.org/2009/10/01/epa-tailoring-rule-confirms-mass-v-epa-set-the-stage-for-administrative-quagmire-and-economic-disaster/
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I’m keeping my F-150 and watch it evaluate….
At least the EPA tells the truth; these proposed rules are exorbitantly expensive and will have no measurable effect.
New Zealand has passed an ETS bill in urgency…
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3095679/Controversial-ETS-bill-passed-in-urgency
Australia will follow indeed. Seems both New Zealand and Australian MSM is not givig the recently discovered fraud at the CRU any consideration. Clearlym it is about tax and control than science and the environment.
*sigh*
So, if the temperature is expected to rise by 6 degrees by 2100, this plan will reduce it to 5.984 C degrees. Well, halleluiah. We are saved.
Are you sure this isn’t April 1st?
Douglas DC (20:51:06) : “I’m keeping my F-150 and watch it evaluate….”
They’ll pick up your guns on Friday, your truck on Monday.
ETS BILL IN NEW zealand now in law passed about 20min ago .
ALL THEY THINKING ABOUT IS THE MONEY THEY GOING TO MAKE.
AGW has never been about science. The EPA, the New Zeland and Australian Governments and soon our own (and the UN) are just using it as a club to drive the proles. Once cap & trade and Copenhagen are passed, we’ll hear as much about AGW as we’re now hearing about the ozone hole. Al Gore is already beginning his new crusade.
If the EPA muzzled it’s own people like Alan Carlin what are the chances it will pay any attention to our comments???
I’m sorry, but I have no more faith in our government. (lower case intentional) They were told not to pass a lot of this stuff by resounding numbers of constituents, but they pass it anyway. They don’t care, they don’t listen, they don’t represent me or my family. All I can do now is to wish them great amounts of ill will and to rejoice in any misfortune that visits them.
I guess that makes me a bad person.
So be it.
Didn’t we do this before? Lisa Jackson will greet each and every email sent with the stone cold silence of a graveyard.
It’s like those junk email scams. Suckers wanting to believe there is really someone who needs their help fall for the Nigerian scam to this day.
btw… Ed Begley Jr. blew up and lost his shirt on interview today.
He’s sold on the CRU professional papers as the one and only creditable source of climate science.
DONE:
Attn: Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0472
RE: Proposed Rulemaking to Establish Light-Duty Vehicle Greenhouse Gas Emission Standards and Corporate Average Fuel Economy Standards
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is not justified in regulating carbon dioxide emissions from vehicles. These regulations will only increase the cost of our cars, harm our economy, and limit our transportation options. We need efficient, affordable transportation to rebuild our economy and create American jobs.
DUE TO THE RECENT RELEASE OF EMAILS AND OTHER DATA FROM THE “Climatic Research Institute at the University of East Anglia” which has direct influence over the IPCC, this proposed rulemaking as well as any others related to Greenhouse Gas Emission Standards must be halted until an independent review of any Climate Temperature increase due to CO2 has been Scientifically Verified and all data for this determination has been made public, along with the computer model used!
According to the proposed regulations, EPA wants to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from cars and trucks, “because of the critical need to address global climate change.” (74 Fed. Reg. 49454).This regulation does not achieve EPA’s stated goal because, according to EPA data, it does not reduce global warming or sea level rise in a meaningful way. The regulation states that the carbon dioxide reductions “are projected to reduce global mean temperature by approximately 0.007–0.016°C by 2100, and global mean sea level rise is projected to be reduced by approximately 0.06–0.15 cm by 2100.”
To be clear, EPA is proposing to increase the price of automobiles by $1,100 per car (74 Fed. Reg. 49460) in exchange for (according to EPA) a global temperature decrease of 16 thousandths of a degree Celsius in 90 years. Also, according to EPA, sea level won’t rise by an extra 1.5 millimeters. These tiny amounts are so inconsequential that they will not affect global climate at all nor will they affect “public health and welfare” (See Clean Air Act Sec. 202).
The proposed regulations will harm our economy. A few years ago, the National Highway Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimated that increasing fuel economy standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2020 would cost the car companies $114 billion. (See Detroit News, “Fuel Plan Would Cost Big Three” (March 1, 2007). Inexplicably, today NHTSA claims that achieving the 35 miles per gallon fleetwide standard by 2016, four years earlier, would cost only $60 billion. (75 Fed. Reg. 49479). This change from NHTSA is not credible. The cost of technology-forcing regulations do not decrease by half as a result of companies only having half the time to comply with the regulations.
EPA and NHTSA’s plan will increase costs for car companies and further reduce auto company jobs. Higher priced cars and trucks will make life more difficult for American families who need affordable transportation options.
To make matters worse, these regulations would start a regulatory cascade. EPA would start regulating emissions from millions of sources, including large buildings, churches, sports arenas, office buildings, farms, schools, hospitals—you name it. EPA will be forced to regulate greenhouse gases with many sections of the Clean Air Act, including sections 108, 111, and 112. This will further harm our economy, reduce American jobs, and worsen our employment situation. NHTSA already has the ability to regulate fuel economy without EPA further harming the economy.
Lastly, we care about our families’ safety as much as the Secret Service cares about the President’s safety. There is a clear correlation between size and weight of a vehicle and its safety. That is why the President’s limo only gets a reported 8 mpg, not 35 mpg. The Secret Service should not have to cut corners in keeping the President safe, just as we should not have to cut corners to keep our families safe.
EPA should not regulate carbon dioxide or greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act. These regulations will make our high unemployment even worse. It does not make sense for EPA to reduce American jobs, increase the price of cars and trucks, and make America less economically competitive in exchange for an immeasurable and meaningless reduction in global temperature.
Nice picture of steam pouring out the to of the stack…
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/975648/we-must-be-credible-on-climate-turnbull
From the article…
“The cost impact of Labor’s carbon pollution reduction scheme – from higher energy and food prices – is estimated to be $976 a year.
“We will be giving them over $1000 compensation,” Senator Wong told the Fairfax Radio Network on Wednesday.”
And who said it wasn’t about tax and wealth redistribution? So not only does my energy and food and everything else get more expensive, I’ll have to support “families” too. Thanks Rudd and Wong.
Jobs will take a dive as, what little manufacturing still left in Australia, will head to China. Also, I believe voters will be a bit miffed Mr Rubb and Ms Wong when they realise taxpayers, us, will be subsidising the coal industry to the tune of AU$7bil p/a. Corporate welfare at its best.
Think they’ll have a little shock next election.
The doctors, representing OraTaiao: NZ Climate & Health, a large group of senior doctors and other health professionals acting to prevent runaway climate change, say that the changes to New Zealand’s emissions trading scheme will harm health as well as the economy.
http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/doctors-say-emissions-trading-scheme-will-hurt-our-children/5/30456
The only reason Kevin Rudd (Australian PM) wants to rush through the ETS/CPRS is so that he can triumphantly go to Copenhagen and say “see, we were the first!” Aren’t I wonderful! All part of his egomaniacal plan to become the next secretary of the UN…
[snip – policy – using WUWT to push an unrelated website/product]
They did promise us change.
Of course, when all this is done, the change in our pockets is all we have left.
Not wanting to be outdone, CA already has a cap and trade program in the works, set to begin in 2012.
California pushes cap-and-trade plan
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2009/11/california-cap-and-trade-plan.html
OUST THE INCUMBENT
REAL CHANGE FOR 2010
Huffington post is putting some stuff up on Climategte. Will CNN be next?
I have another ace in the hole against those sick twisted screwballs besides the Sun being in a solar minimum, lowering the planet’s temperature laying all their junk science to waste.
The US is statistically guaranteed to have a dollar crisis within a relatively short period of time making it impossible for those bad people to implement their control freak socialist Marxist agenda. Universal health care, carbon tax, not going to happen. It is statically impossible for us to continue to fund two wars and fund the grandiose socialist programs before we go completely bankrupt with our debt obligations now running at over 100 trillion dollars.
I’m watching the dollar collapse before my very eyes right now and happening at a continual accelerating pace. The complete and total economic collapse of the US is statistically guaranteed to happen, and pretty soon I might add, and I welcome it with open arms, because it is the only thing that will make the bad people stop doing what they are doing to us.
Want to watch it with me while it happens?
http://www.dollarcollapse.com/default.asp
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
This is a speech in the European Parliament, by one of its Nationalist MEPs.
Hits the nail on the head, I feel. When will the liberal left realise they have got it all wrong?
(PS Isn’t it strange that climate, of all things, has become a political football !!! )
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Sorry, I am a convinced skeptic, but I cannot see how establishing some limit on emissions for cars can be a bad thing to do. A less emitting car is a car that uses less fuel. Upon combustion, it is not only CO2 that you produce, there are other polutants too, real polutants. Less fuel consumption means less polutants in the air. Not to mention that if you use less fuel you are certainly saving money. I would like that law to come true, although I know very well it will do nothing related to saving the world from a supposedly terrible global warming. The reasons are different.
Last chance for Australians to reject massive new taxes.
Rudd Attempts to Bribe Carbon “Polluters” to Get Law Passed
The Australian government has made a last ditch effort to win over opposition parliamentarians to its proposed carbon emissions trading laws after agreeing to at least double compensation to the coal and electricity generation sectors.
The latest amendments, which must win support from the opposition Liberal party if the government is to have its law passed by the country’s upper house senate later this week, follows an earlier decision to exclude the agricultural sector from its planned emissions trading scheme.
Under the changes, assistance to the coal industry will double to A$1.5bn (US$1.4bn), while power generators, which chiefly burn brown coal, will be awarded A$7.3bn worth of free permits over 10 years. More than A$1bn has also been offered to assist manufacturing and mining businesses handle higher electricity prices.
Kevin Rudd, Australia’s prime minister, wants the scheme passed into law before the Copenhagen climate change summit next month. Mr Rudd is keen to take a leadership role at the summit and was last month asked by Lars Lokke Rasmussen, Danish prime minister, to serve as a ”friend” of the chair, along with Mexico and the United Nations.
However, Mr Rudd’s watered down emissions trading scheme has been attacked by Australia’s Green party because it does not go far enough, while the National party has vowed to reject the legislation outright arguing it imposed a massive tax on Australian business and community at a time when other countries had yet to rule on their schemes.
The issue has also been divisive for Malcolm Turnbull’s Liberal party, which holds the key for the government’s plans to have the scheme passed. Mr Turnbull, a former environment minister in the previous Australian government, has had to stare down climate sceptics from within his own party amid threats to his own leadership.
The Liberal shadow ministry is thought to back the government’s amendments to at least double compensation payments to the coal and power generating industries but Mr Turnbull is yet to secure support from the wider party room.
The Greens on Tuesday rejected the government’s amendments, saying the proposed legislation was “worse than useless”. “There is absolutely no way we will be voting for a scheme like that,” a Greens spokesperson said. “The Greens oppose the CPRS [carbon pollution reduction scheme] as it stands not because it is too weak but because it will actually point Australia in the wrong direction with no prospect of turning it around in the 2015 time frame within which emissions must peak. “This is why we say it is not just a failure, but it locks in failure,” the Greens said.
However, Mr Rudd urged parliamentarians to back the amended scheme. A failure to reach agreement would be to ”roll the dice” with the future of Australia’s children, Mr Rudd said. ”Act for the future, not for the past. Act for your children. Act for your grandchildren,” he said. “Failing to act today is the riskiest course of action available to the parliament.
I’m sure there is another Hockey Stick to be found and broken in the ice core CO2 records which are spliced onto the Mauna Loa records.
Perhaps laws passed because of something that later turns out to be fraudulent, can be declared void later on. But meanwhile, consider that even the CO2 ice core record may be wrong or even fraudulent, because of multiple practical problems in the extracting, transporting, storing, and measuring of ice core samples, and it needs auditing.
Free the data; free the metadata; free the code; free the debate.
Contact Senator Mike Crapo, he’s on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. http://crapo.senate.gov
Contact everyone on that committee, though only some of the Republicans are likely to pay attention.
In the Australian Senate, the ETS bill still might not pass, if enough of the more conservative opposition senators refuse to follow the orders of the party leaders. The Greens will not support the bill because they believe it is not radical enough. The others who oppose the bill are already being castigated roundly in the media as palæolithic deniers, of course. It seems remarkable that the left-of-centre parties throughout the world (even if they hate the others) are so equally and persistently enamoured of the idea that human inventive, technical ingenuity cannot solve any problem lobbed at us by nature, but that bureaucrats will solve all if given enough money.
Meanwhile, so very many media comments-pages and blogs and other sites, particularly left-leaning ones are smugly dismissive of those who ask genuine, sceptical questions as denialist trolls, and dismiss the CRUcial e-mails with the official RealClimate party line.
(Sites such as this, I must say, are like shining oases in the vast desert of willful ignorance and folly.)