Quote of the Week #18 – "fait accompli"

It seems more and more, people are questioning the supposed consensus on climate change. Now we see some journalists asking questions too.

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It is said that science is self correcting, politics, not so much, but it has been known to happen. Now when we have writers at major newspapers asking questions about why the climate hasn’t warmed in the past few years, one can hope that politics will start asking questions before we sell our productivity down the carbon rabbit hole.

Robert Bradley writes in to alert us of this quote of the week:

“For a long time now, science reporters have been confidently told the science is settled…. But I am confused [by recent developments]. Four years ago this all seemed like a fait accompli. Humans were unquestionably warming the climate and changing the planet forever through their emissions of carbon dioxide.”

– Eric Berger, Science Writer, Houston Chronicle, September 6, 2009 [SciGuy Blog]

More on Bradley’s blog here:

Climate Alarmism on the Hot Seat: Eric Berger, Houston Chronicle Science Writer, Wants to Know What’s Up

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Gary Pearse
September 7, 2009 12:27 pm

It’s begun!

rbateman
September 7, 2009 12:54 pm

What happened is that, collectively as a society, we forgot why we write things down as they happen, and we also forgot to check the past. What that leads to is yet another hysterical panic over that which we have no control over. The assumption was that man had ascended into control over the climate, and had overridden it. When things started to change, the behavior of those who proclaimed the warming message got desperate. Seeking to silence the opposition and alter the record of the past proved to be a big undoing. Further, the alliance of the warmist with political ambitions has led to intense political opposition, and yes, they have made hard political enemies.
Today, as we watch the progression of years grow colder despite the alteration of records, as we hear pounding alarms in stark contrast to what is going on outside, there is a story unfolding. It’s the Sun. Having zero control or predictive power over it, the attempts to bury the spectacle has instead fueled consternation and scurried digging into the past in an effort to peg how is stacks up.
NASA calls it Deep Solar Minimum, and it’s no fluke.
It’s consequences can only be surmised in a vague manner, not knowing how long it will last or how low it will sink.
For now, it is truly the science story of the 21st Century.

Nogw
September 7, 2009 12:55 pm

The prophet, as far as I know, has been silent all the summer long, and that’s meaningful.

kim
September 7, 2009 1:06 pm

I’m waiting for Andy Revkin to flip. It’s not as if he hasn’t been properly instructed, and I’ve faith in his honesty and his curiosity. He’s been a long term global warming believer, though.
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Curiousgeorge
September 7, 2009 1:20 pm

Well, the fat lady hasn’t sung yet, but at least the choir is getting tuned up. We will see how it unfolds.

Ron de Haan
September 7, 2009 1:25 pm

Better late than never.
Although it must be said that in general the big media and their journalist have
performed a very bad job on the issue.
The word “disgrace” is a rightful description of their performance.

Mark Fawcett
September 7, 2009 1:25 pm

Very interesting read, thanks for the link Mr Watts.
OT – You appear to be heading very rapidly to the 20,000,000 hits mark – some going as it only seems a wee while ago the 10,000,000 was reached!
Cheers
Mark

KimW
September 7, 2009 1:41 pm

Even the Dutch Tulip craze finally collapsed and so will AGW, but at the cost of vast amounts of money spent for nothing. What worries myself as a scientist, is the climate science selection of data to prove the AGW viewpoint and the tossing out of any data that contradicts it. In Australia, proof was offered of how droughts were becoming commonplace – based only on the last 50 years. Including the records back to 1850 actually showed that there was nothing out of the ordinary.
Science itself – not just Climate Science – is taking on the aspect of arguments based on feelings rather than logic. That is bad for everybody.

F Rasmin
September 7, 2009 2:12 pm

What is needed is a huge science breakthrough on any major subject in order to show people that the emperor does have clothes.

Scott
September 7, 2009 2:17 pm

Well news.com.au still thinks the science is settled. In their 2009 “Green Awards” (http://www.news.com.au/features/0,,5019059,00.html) (You know Easter is to Christians as “Green Awards” is to Alarmists.) they awarded the “Can Do Better” Award to Australian Senator Steven Fielding, because he actually dared to ask why the world had cooled over the past few years whilst CO2 went up. It appears he’s a Warming Alarmist Heretic!

John F. Hultquist
September 7, 2009 2:20 pm

You can quote me on this: It is not over!
The folks interested in controlling your lives will not be deterred by a few inconvenient facts and a few uncooperative news reporters. They still think you are guilty and must pay. Just how their accusation and evidence of your guilt transitions is a more fascinating question than how much ice the Arctic Ocean will or will not have next week or next summer. The temperatures will go up and down, ice area and extent will go up and down. You are still supposed to feel guilty, and even if you don’t, you must still pay.

Leon Brozyna
September 7, 2009 2:40 pm

Tip of the day ~ Do not stand in front of fans or on rugs. Seems that AGW believers (among others) are doing both. Real science will survive, its blemishes quickly forgiven and forgotten (think geology & plate tectonics).

Curiousgeorge
September 7, 2009 2:56 pm

KimW (13:41:36) :
It helps to remember that before “science and scientists”, there were oracles, alchemists, witches, warlocks, astrology, etc., etc.. Many (especially politicians ) are unable to distinguish the differences. The jury is still out on whether Logic ( or Intelligence ), is a desirable species survival trait. In the end, it’s all still about reproductive supremacy.

Simon Hart
September 7, 2009 2:57 pm

Check out this link: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17742-worlds-climate-could-cool-first-warm-later.html Looks like the warmists are getting their excuses ready:

Mr Lynn
September 7, 2009 3:06 pm

My favorite quote of the week comes from the “NASA: Are Sunspots Disappearing” thread, where Michael Ronayne (17:12:19) said,

. . . In a sane society wishing to maintain a technological civilization in the face of a very real and possibly catastrophic cooling event, which will occur by 2015, we would be building nuclear power plants, expanding the electrical grid, drilling for oil and natural gas and doing everything to increase our supplies of energy. Instead the United States finds itself in the control of an anti-technology religious cult.

This won’t be over until we get that cult out of power.
/Mr Lynn

chris y
September 7, 2009 3:18 pm

kim- you say “I’m waiting for Andy Revkin to flip. ”
If he does, it will be subtle. He will lose a lot of faithful readers if he does noticeably shift. I spend a fair amount of time over at Dot Earth.
Andy’s posts recently have had an interesting trend. There are a lot of posts on touchy-feely topics (happiness, how many people is too much, etc.). The reduced number of posts of substance on climate science/fiction have occasionally been presented as a question rather than a certainty. Commenters have shown increasing annoyance with Andy’s lack of catastrophic certainty in his post titles.
I don’t pay much attention to the details in Andy’s posts. Its the comments by the regulars (alarmists, zero-pops, pyschobabblers, AGW catastrophists, left-coasters, urban tree-huggers, renewable energy advocates) that are entertaining, although the comments from the regulars are becoming predictable.

September 7, 2009 3:19 pm

rbateman (12:54:21) :
NASA calls it Deep Solar Minimum, and it’s no fluke.
It’s consequences can only be surmised in a vague manner, not knowing how long it will last or how low it will sink.
For now, it is truly the science story of the 21st Century.

Robert. You have an excellent way with words and the science is good too. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and theories. We do live in interesting times….

kim
September 7, 2009 3:55 pm

chris y 15:18:30
You have been following DotEarth closely enough to catch Andy’s subtle shift. Fortunately for him, he has an even greater obsession than climate and that is the sustainability of nine billion people on earth and general environmental concerns. Those will save him when he finally understands that the CO2=AGW paradigm is mistaken.
There are many more effective voices over there than mine, now, but I started commenting regularly in ’08 during and after the epic AGU thread, and up until the NYT required registration. Those most disgusted with me over there started calling it DotKim. I’ll repeat, I believe in and trust Andy Revkin’s honesty and curiosity to guide him to the truth sooner rather than later.
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Editor
September 7, 2009 4:18 pm

drp
drip
Drip
DRIP …..
dribble, gurgle, gush ….
In the end, nature will do what it does, and people will be stupid and silly as they (almost always) are. Science will take a very bad fall and be bloodied; but I hope that will be the start of healing its ills (along with its wounds).
One can only hope. And while our present age of warlocks and exorcists will be painful to get through, we survived prior similar ages; and the result was a golden age.
It’s just a question of time, and with the PDO flipped and the sun not hearing the alarm clock, time is now on our side.
At every possible time raise the question of “Why hurry when it’s not warmed in the last decade?” and keep running the clock out.

Ron de Haan
September 7, 2009 4:36 pm

rbateman (12:54:21) :
“Solar Minimum”
“For now, it is truly the science story of the 21st Century”.
And how right you are!

September 7, 2009 6:08 pm

rbateman put forth the motion that has been stated by the chair:
“For now, it is truly the science story of the 21st Century.”
Carsten Arholm seconded the motion and Ron de Haan has called the question,
All those in favor, vote Ay;
All those opposed, vote Nay!
MarkM votes in the affirmative.
(I would never vote “present” as POTUS did so many times before)

Skeptic Tank
September 7, 2009 6:15 pm

Bad science and consensus science is certainly nothing new. Ever read, in Scientific American, “50, 100 and 150 Years Ago”? It is sometimes hilarious almost to the point of being tragic. I just hope we don’t have to wait 50 years to laugh at all this or it will surely be tragic.

Polar Bears and BBQ Sauce
September 7, 2009 6:19 pm

If the next decade does unfold as another Dalton, it will become impossible to argue that this (unforseen) “nature variation” could result in significant, overpowering cooling, without admiting that similar (until now unrecognized) forces were quite possibly the cause of the warming that preceded it.
And I think the feedbacks from clouds and water vapor will be recognized as negative, not positive.
…Just in time for the rolling blackouts for want of energy grid development.

September 7, 2009 6:27 pm

KimW (13:41:36) : “What worries myself as a scientist, is the climate science selection of data to prove the AGW viewpoint and the tossing out of any data that contradicts it.”
“Science itself – not just Climate Science – is taking on the aspect of arguments based on feelings rather than logic. That is bad for everybody.”
Yes, there are many scientists that are blind to this “rot”, a few even prominent on this website, but as the number of scientists become self-aware of the problems confronting the discipline, the more likely it actually will be self-correcting.
But a few scientists will have to be made an example of and be publically disgraced to get the message across.
Humiliation and shame and the desire to avoid same are an effective tool for correcting over-bloated egos.

Philip_B
September 7, 2009 7:23 pm

rbateman (12:54:21) :
“Solar Minimum”
“For now, it is truly the science story of the 21st Century”.

And I have yet to see a single reference to it in any general news source.
BTW, Robert Bradley’s post is excellent. If you haven’t read it, do so.