From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
h/t Philip Bratby
In a small village in Switzerland’s beautiful Loetschental valley, Matthias Bellwald walks down the main street and is greeted every few steps by locals who smile or offer a handshake or friendly word.
Mr Bellwald is a mayor, but this isn’t his village. Two months ago his home, three miles away in Blatten, was wiped off the map when part of the mountain and glacier collapsed into the valley.
The village’s 300 residents had been evacuated days earlier, after geologists warned that the mountain was increasingly unstable. But they lost their homes, their church, their hotels and their farms.
Lukas Kalbermatten also lost the hotel that had been in his family for three generations.”The feeling of the village, all the small alleys through the houses, the church, the memories you had when you played there as a child… all this is gone.”
Though the disaster shocked Switzerland, some two thirds of the country is mountainous, and climate scientists warn that the glaciers and the permafrost – the glue that holds the mountains together – are thawing as the global temperature increases, making landslides more likely. Protecting areas will be costly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4w9ggzxv4o
BBC INDEPTH? Don’t make me laugh.
A properly objective report would have also mentioned the downhill march of Swiss glaciers in the Little Ice Age.
My review of Brian Fagan’s excellent book, The Little Ice Age, gives a flavour of just how dreadful those times were. [Sections in italics are direct quotes]:
We tend to regard alpine landscapes today such as those in Switzerland as being picturesque and think that the people there live in a beautiful rural idyll. It was not always so. In the 16th Century the occasional traveller would remark on the poverty and suffering of those who lived on the marginal lands in the glacier’s shadow. At that time Chamonix was an obscure poverty stricken parish in “a poor country of barren mountains never free of glaciers and frosts…half the year there is no sun…the corn is gathered in the snow…and is so mouldy it has to be heated in the oven”. Even animals were said to refuse bread made from Chamonix wheat. Avalanches caused by low temperatures and deep snowfall were a constant hazard. In 1575 a visitor described the village as “a place covered with glaciers…often the fields are entirely swept away and the wheat blown into the woods and onto the glaciers”.
In 1589 the Allalin glacier in Switzerland descended so low that it blocked the Saas valley, forming a lake. The moraine broke a few months later, sending floods downstream. Seven years later 70 people died when similar floods from the Gietroz glacier submerged the town of Martigny.
As the glaciers relentlessly pushed downslope, thousands of acres of farm land were ruined and many villages were left uninhabitable such as La Bois where a government official noted “where there are still six houses. all uninhabited save two, in which live some wretched women and children…Above and adjoining the village there is a great and horrible glacier of great and incalculable volume which can promise nothing but the destruction of the houses and lands which still remain”. Eventually the village was completely abandoned.
The same official visited the hamlet of La Rosiere in 1616 and found “The great glacier of La Rosiere every now and then goes bounding and thrashing or descending…There have been destroyed 43 journaux of land with nothing but stones and 8 houses, 7 barns and 5 little granges have been entirely ruined and destroyed”.
Alpine glaciers, which had already advanced steadily between 1546 and 1590, moved aggressively forward again between 1600 and 1616. Villages that had flourished since medieval times were in danger or already destroyed. During the long period of glacial retreat and relative quiet in earlier times, opportunistic farmers had cleared land within a kilometer of what seemed to them to be stationary ice sheets. Now their descendants paid the price with their villages and livelihoods threatened.
Between 1627 and 1633 Chamonix lost a third of its land through avalanches, snow, glaciers and flooding, and the remaining hectares were under constant threat. In 1642 the Des Bois glacier advanced “over a musket shot every day, even in August”.
By this time people near the ice front were planting only oats and a little barley in fields that were under snow for most of the year. Their forefathers had paid their tithes in wheat. Now they obtained but one harvest in three and even the grain rotted after harvesting. “The people here are so badly fed they are dark and wretched and seem only half alive”.
In 1715 the village of Le Pre-du-Bar vanished under a glacier caused landslide. The glacial high tide in the Alps came around 1750 and gradually the glaciers began their retreat, much to the relief of the people who lived there.
The BBC might like to consider that none of these villages were there three hundred years ago because the glaciers were there instead.
I somehow doubt anybody in Switzerland would want a return to those days.

“The BBC might like to consider that none of these villages were there three hundred years ago because the glaciers were there instead.”
Why? They are writing about a real problem that is happening now. That is news (and not good).
Really? You utterly refuse to see the point?
The only reason that these places are even possible to live in is the slight warming that they’ve experienced since the Little Ice Age. Obviously this has been of extreme benefit.
The only reason these places are pleasant places to live, as opposed to very rough and inhospitable habitats, is because of the industrial revolution and fossil fuels.
Now the likes of you are claiming that all of this is not good news, because of one avalanche, in a region very prone to avalanches. You would prefer to go back to Ice Age temperatures and no fossil fuels. Well, I suggest that you do that, and leave the rest of us in peace.
“You utterly refuse to see the point”
He’s a ‘Refuse nik’ (:-))
“Denier” is more apt.
Too early in the morning for that one 🥺
Hah! I read the book!
Trees and human artifacts are still being found under glaciers that are recovering from the LIA.
Basically, it was just a really STUPID place to build.
Nailed it- like building in a flood plain.
The cause is climate variability. The BBC is obliquely suggesting the cause is climate change. The loss is terrible for the villages. Could it be otherwise? But, this is the 21 st century, with hydrocarbon energy for all, especially in VERY rich Switzerland.
The land IS marginal. People live on it, just as people here live on flood plains and on beaches where they should not. Some get destroyed by placing themselves in harm’s way. No one forced them to live there. It was a choice they made. The prices for such charming village property in Switzerland – just imagine! The error was to NOT keep such marginal, magical lands unoccupied. In Bangladesh, they have the good sense to use the flooding areas for cultivation. Remember only one percent of the terrestrial surface is urban, according to Our World in Data (do a search, you’ll find the graphic). There is plenty of room, even in tiny Switzerland.
“There is plenty of room, even in tiny Switzerland.” – Not really, if you compare with other countries. As Paul Homewood described it correctly, the mountains cover about two thirds of our country. Actually 70% of Switzerland are mountains, but only 25% of the population is living there. There is a living in between the mountains, and it is normally not a bad one. With exceptions mentioned in the lead text. Especially because there are also about 1’500 lakes, most of them not between the mountains in terms of area. About 6% of the drinking water reserves are stored in Switzerland. And is stabilising the European grid with its many hydroelectric plants.
Overall population densitiy is 588 people per sqmi (227 per km2). This means: 75% of people lives on 30% of the area of Switzerland, which results in a density of 1’469 people/sqmi. I am Swiss, so I dare say it does not feel like plenty of space. Sometimes I am longing for the endless prairies in the US…
But, to return to the lead topic: The people were not just choosing the place where they wanted to live in the last 300 – 400 years. It was the extreme poverty that made them using every small bit of land in order not to die on hunger. It is only 100 to 150 years ago that Swiss people still was leaving the country in large numbers to make a better living in other countries like US. And yes, nowadays Switzerland is mainly wealthy and our industry may be well known all over the world. But this has a relatively short history.
For most of the last 2.6 million years Canada was covered by a mile high ice sheet. Same goes for the place Greta was born. Those were the happy days ?
Perspective Nick, perspective.
Something you lack.
The fact of that the Little Ice Age exists, and the world has warmed up since then, puts the lie to your belief that CO2 is the control knob of weather, and if only we hadn’t started using fossil fuels, the world would still be enjoying the benefits of that wonderous time.
Back in the Medieval Warm Period the then occupants of what is now Swizerland were able to farm the mountain river valleys that had previously been occupied by glaciers and were grateful for it.
No, he doesn’t lack perspective, it’s just that has only one skewed one so whatever he is confronted with the outcome is already certain.
You can make 10 solid arguments but he will find the tiniest hole or uncertainty in one of them, inflate/ amplify it so that he doesnt have to deal with the 99.9% valid weight of arguments.
What’s the old saying? If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail!
What Nick doesn’t realize is that the choice he is making is binary. Either it is warmer or it is colder. It can never be constant, even if we return to CO2 concentration of 180 ppm.
There is no “real problem” that is “happening now.” You really do go to a lot of effort to bury your head in the sand (or snow, depending on the climate).
Extraordinarily obtuse comment, even by Stokes’ low standards.
Nick, you often add a welcome (to me) challenge to the opinions on this site, which can help to refine skeptics’ arguments. You’re stretching here, though. The BBC was clearly talking about the dangers posed by climate change and glacial degradation, and using that Swiss village as an example. This article points out that the real lesson to be learned is that climate has always been changing, and it is now changing for the warmer and better, even if the warming occasionally causes problems for an occasional Swiss village.
But you already knew that.
The Beeb spouts climate change alarm at every opportunity. Yesterday’s evening news had Storm Floris in Scotland as it’s lead item and banged on about a not very remarkable sorm in which no lives were lost, some trees blew down, some trains were cancelled and some people lost power.
They then got the ‘climate correspondent’ into the studio and asked him if was caused by climate change. He said that it was probably wasn’t but. ….. and then switched to his boiler plate alarmist drive: “models show that storms will become more severe blah, blah, blah”
They just can’t help themselves. Climate change alarmist diarrhoea!
In Scotland the best news yesterday was no Midges.
That’s definitely fake news!
Remember that only the female bite.
Midges too
But only the female midges bite.
In his interview early morning he said nothing about climate change, much to my surprise, saying several times there was no evidence that storminess in the UK was getting worse. Somebody must then have had a quiet word with him 🙂
That’s the last we’ll hear from him…
Does the beeb also call in their police reporter and ask
” so this body found with the bullet hole in his head – do you suspect his diet may have played some part in that?”
Absolutely not. It wos Covid that did him in!
Dont forget the Met Office’s retrospectives. It is like they are suffering from alarm withdrawal..
Yes, storm “Floris” indeed…they want us to believe every storm or weather event is unique in history and all our fault. Pretty soon every raindrop will have a name.
Here in New Zealand, we can get storms like that at any time of the year. Unless they are Ex-Tropical Cyclones they don’t get a name. Depending upon which way the wind is blowing from they may be described as just another Nor’ Wester, a Gnarly Easterly, or a Southerly ‘Growler!’ If some Met service boffin started naming them, they would be laughed out of town!
The Beeb’s, and all the Mainlyscreaming Media’s motto: Always be Climashaming.
With respect to glaciers, I’ve always thought glaciers increasing in size is a bigger hazard than glaciers which are decreasing in size.
Glaciers are another way of Mother nature saying hold my beer, you still aren’t prepared.
That’s what happened in this case, the glacier was growing as the result of ‘damming’ by rock falls, when it reached a critical size it collapsed causing the disaster.
I have read that the main cause of glacial melt is the direct absorption of sunlight. Which suggests cloud cover is a key variable. Air after all has a puny heat content
Spot on.
Ignore those idiots that claim albedo effect of ice. Ice absorbs solar EMR via what is known in radar as skin depth, which is quite similar to optical depth in atmosphere and water.
Deep snow transforms to ice even in sub-zero air temperatures. Sunlight melts the surface. Water is denser than snow. The water sinks through the snow and refreezes into ice. It’s been going on since the beginning of time.
Nobody takes the clownshow BBC seriously. They are in a death spiral, less viewers than GB news.
The US built a camp in the Antarctic in 1959, it’s now under 100 meters of ice. The BBC might like to consider that.
“the permafrost – the glue that holds the mountains together”
Don’t be silly. We were there at Zermat under the Matterhorn 2 months ago. Those mountains are solid rock.
Have you been under or on the Matterhorn.
When this is all solid rock, why do we have rockfalls, one of the Major dangers for mountaineers in the Alps?
Descended from Swiss farmers, I note that many were driven to suicide as the glaciers. Reptile over their pasture.
Crept crept!
Autocorrect!
Auto-incorrect
Is that AI?
Have patience; as the melting continues in a few years old villages will appear from under the ice like the pine forest on the Beartooth Plateau in Wyoming. They will probably be better village sites too.
Just wonder how many would be living there just 10,000 years ago (under the ice) ?
Yep; adapt and move, or be buried in ice or avalanche while complaining that conditions should be perfect for us and never change–our choice. The Beartooth Pines couldn’t walk.
Not related to Triffids, then?
I don’t know how anyone concluded that nature is a friendly, benign force.
Nature needs to be bested by ingenuity & tools at every turn, by any species that wants to prevail over nature’s constant attempts to replace us with more adaptive species.
Right- that’s the essential mantra of Alex Epstein. Haven’t heard much from him lately. I wonder what he’s up to.
“Brian Fagan’s excellent book, The Little Ice Age”. I heartily agree. An excellent discussion of historical accounts by one of the best anthropologists of the past 75 years. Along with his books, “The Long Summer” and “The Great Warming” are among the best discussions of how historical climate has affected mankind. I consider them to be must-reads if you are interested in climate discussions. His “Fish on Friday” focuses on the discovery of the New World and also has a climate connection.
Unfortunately, Fagan just died on July 1st.
Horsefeathers: Blatten Kühmatt: the chapel was there since almost 400 years.
The BBC might like to consider that none of these villages were there three hundred years ago because the glaciers were there instead.
I doubt it. The first historical mention of Blatten is from 1343.