One of the most pervasive myths is that 97% (or sometimes stated as >99%) of โclimate scientistsโ agree that virtually all global warming since the mid-19th century is human-caused and that this warming is an existential threat to the welfare of the planet and all life on it.
Except, this statistic is largely made up, and no matter how many times it is quashed, it persists as a talking point in online forums. Just yesterday, I received a comment, saying,
๐จ๏ธ โ๐ถ๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐ โ๐๐๐ ๐ค๐๐กโ ๐ข๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ข๐ ๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ข๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐๐ก๐๐ ๐ ๐กโ๐๐ก ๐๐ข๐ก๐ค๐๐๐โ๐ 97% ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ด๐๐ด?โ
So, is this the same @NASA that lost 14 astronauts between two manned space shuttle launch failures in 1986 and 2003? Or the same NASA that recently enlisted @SpaceXโs help to get astronauts stuck in space back to Earth? That NASA?
Oof, that one is going to burn.
Sizzle sizzle. ๐ถ๏ธ
Anyways, letโs continue. . . ๐ถโโ๏ธโโก๏ธ
The โconsensus of scientistsโ with respect to climate change is not organic. It was manufactured through questionable data processing methods.
When someone states the axiom โAll scientists agree,โ it is usually a reference to two particular studies, both of which were published in Environmental Research Letters (ERL): Cook et al. (2013) and Lynas et al. (2021).
Let’s look closer at these studies. ๐
๐๐๐ โ๐๐% ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐โ
The paper that got this all started was published in ERL in 2013.
๐ https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024
Led by cognitive psychologist John Cook, a Senior Research Fellow at the Melbourne Centre for Behaviour Change and founder of the climate blog, Skeptical Science, he and eight co-authors skimmed the abstracts of 11,944 climate-related papers published between 1991 and 2011.
Of the 11,944 abstracts, 7,930 (66.4%) of them expressed ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on the cause(s) of global warming since the pre-industrial era.
Of the remaining 4,014 abstracts which endorsed either anthropogenic global warming (referred to as AGW hereafter) or natural global warming, 3,896 (97.1%) endorsed AGW. Only 78 (1.9%) rejected AGW, while 40 (1%) of them expressed uncertainty on the physical drivers.
So, the โ97% consensusโ was contrived by omitting 7,930 (66.4%) of the 11,944 abstracts because those papers did not explicitly state a position on the cause(s) of global warming since the 1850s or so.
That’s sausage-making. ๐ญ
But, what about the >99% consensus?
Let’s find out. ๐
๐๐๐ โ>๐๐% ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐โ
Like Cook et al. (2013), Lynas et al. (2021) attempted to quantify the consensus on AGW.
๐ https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966
In this synthesis, 3,000 climate papers were selected at random. In that batch, 282 were marked as false positives since they weren’t actually climate-related. Thatโs fair. So, the analysis continued with the remaining 2,718 peer-reviewed articles.
Of those, 1,869 (68.8%) of them took ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on AGW. And, like Cook et al. (2013), all 1,869 papers neither endorsing nor rejecting AGW were discarded. Of the remaining 849 papers that did endorse a position, 845 (99.5%) of them sided with AGW while four did not.
So, like Cook et al. (2013), Lynas et al. (2021) ignored over 65% of the papers selected that didn’t take one position or the other on the physical driver(s) of global warming. By doing this, they could artificially manufacture a consensus on an issue where none actually exists if all of the relevant papers were considered.
The advantage that Lynas et al. (2021) has over the former is that each paper was examined thoroughly rather than just reading the abstract. This made for a more thorough analysis despite the same flawed methodology both used in ignoring the majority of papers that took a neutral stance.
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But, wait, there’s more. . .
Climate activists often argue that Cook et al. (2013) and Lynas et al. (2021) were justified in excluding the 66.4% and 68.8% of papers, respectively, that did not express a position on the causes of global warming, on the grounds that those studies were not focused on identifying or discussing causal links.
But, that’s hand-waving. ๐
Not all studies that endorsed anthropogenic global warming (AGW) specifically investigated the physical driver(s) of surface air temperature (SAT) changes since the mid-to-late-19th century. In fact, in order to qualify as endorsing (or rejecting) AGW, a paper merely needed to articulate a clear stanceโwhether in the abstract, main body or discussion / conclusionโregardless of whether or not the study’s focus was on physical drivers of temperature change.
You will find when reading through the literature that papers challenging the narrativeโsuch as those on topics like climate model performance, temporal trends in extreme weather events and efficacy of โnet zeroโ energy policiesโwill include a disclaimer stating that mankind’s carbon dioxide (COโ) emissions are the proximate cause of all global warming in order to pass through peer-review, as to not sow doubt in readers that climate change is an existential crisis.
As an example, a study on U.S. mainland hurricane landfalls might conclude that no increase in either the frequency or intensity has been observed since, say, 1900. However, the authors will include a statement, usually in the conclusion, something along the lines of,
๐จ๏ธ โ๐ด๐๐กโ๐๐ข๐โ ๐.๐. ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ๐ข๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐ก๐๐๐๐๐ โ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐โ๐ก๐๐ฆ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐ 1900, ๐ค๐๐กโ ๐๐ ๐ ๐ก๐๐ก๐๐ ๐ก๐๐๐๐๐๐ฆ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก ๐ก๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐กโ๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ฆ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ โ๐ข๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐กโ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ ๐๐ก๐ฆ, ๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก ๐กโ๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ ๐๐ก๐ฆ ๐ค๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ฅ% ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐ข๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ก๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐ข๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐๐โ๐๐ข๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ (๐บ๐ป๐บ) ๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐ .โ
Another point I should add about Cook et al. (2013) and Lynas et al. (2021) is that neither paper frame their findings as being a reflection of the โconsensus of scientists.โ Thus, when people claim that 97-99% of experts agree, that’s not actually what these studies purport. Rather, the papers actually [attempted to] quantify the โscientific consensusโ on AGW, which is a consensus of what the published literature says. That is very different from a โconsensus of scientists,โ which is essentially an expert opinion poll.
What’s more, none of these reviews address the big question, which is whether or not global warming is [or will be] dangerous. Just because our greenhouse gas emissions ๐๐๐ฆ have caused most of the warming observed since the onset of the Industrial Revolution says nothing about the level of danger or risk posed by it both short- and long-term.
So, what do we actually know about what scientists think about (a) the cause(s) of global warming and (b) whether or not they think it is dangerous?
Thankfully, we have some insight into that.
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This is where things get juicy. ๐ง
While a โconsensus of scientistsโ (i.e., expert opinion poll) is less robust than a โscientific consensusโ (i.e., synthesis of what the published literature concludes), one advantage that polling scientists for their opinion has over the latter is that it gives them anonymity to freely express their views on highly contentious topics such as climate change without having to fear losing a job or having their paper(s) rejected by biased journal editors (the gatekeepers).
Professional organizations including the American Geophysical Union (AGU), the American Meteorological Society (AMS) and Royal Society often manufacture a โconsensus of scientistsโ by taking a very strong stance on an issue without first consulting the opinions of their members.
One egregious instance of where this has occurred is within the AMS (which I am a member of).
On July 8, 2022, in response to the Supreme Court’s ruling in West Virginia v. EPAโwhich essentially limited the EPA’s authority to regulate greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from power plantsโthe former Executive Director of AMS issued a strongly worded โSpecial Statementโ criticizing the Court’s ruling,
๐จ๏ธ โ๐โ๐ ๐จ๐ด๐บ ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ผ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐บ๐๐๐๐๐’ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐. ๐โ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ข๐๐๐ฆ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ ๐ก๐๐๐ก๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐ฆโ๐๐ข๐ก ๐๐ฆ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ฆโ๐กโ๐๐๐ข๐โ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ถ๐๐ข๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ฃ. ๐ธ๐๐ด.โ
The letter continues, asserting without presenting a single shred of evidence, that,
๐จ๏ธ โ๐ช๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ โ๐ข๐๐๐๐๐ก๐ฆ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐… ๐ป๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ [sic] ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐: ๐กโ๐ ๐ ๐ข๐, ๐ฃ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ , ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ , ๐โ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐-๐ข๐ ๐, ๐๐ ๐๐๐ก๐ข๐๐๐ ๐ฃ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐ฆ.โ
๐https://ametsoc.org/ams/assets/File/aboutams/statements_pdf/AMS_Statement-EPA-2(1).pdf
And, of course, this politically motivated jab at the Supreme Court was issued without the consultation of every professional member of the AMS.
I know this because we actually have good insight into what AMS members think about (a) the cause(s) of global warming since the 1960s and (b) whether or not they think said warming is dangerous.
In January 2016, Dr. Ed Maibach and colleagues from George Mason University (GMU) polled all 7,682 (at that time) professional members of the AMS on their views on climate change. A handful of questions were asked with several follow-ups.
๐https://gmuchss.az1.qualtrics.com/CP/File.php?F=F_cRR9lW0HjZaiVV3
The survey had a 53.3% participation rate and there were 4,092 respondents (p. 1). ๐
Here are a sample of the questions asked:
1โฃ ๐ฅ๐ฒ๐ด๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฑ๐น๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐๐ฒ, ๐ฑ๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ธ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ป๐ถ๐ป๐ด? (4,091 responses)
โ Yes: 96%
โ No: 1%
๐คท Don’t know: 3%
โฆ [Follow-up, only asked to those who answered โYesโ to 1โฃ] ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ป๐ถ๐ป๐ด? (3,854 responses)
๐ข Extremely sure: 58%
๐ต Very sure: 31%
๐ก Somewhat sure: 10%
๐ด Not sure: 0%
โฆ [Follow-up, only asked to those who answered โNoโ to 1โฃ] ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ป๐ถ๐ป๐ด? (53 responses)
๐ข Extremely sure: 13%
๐ต Very sure: 43%
๐ก Somewhat sure: 38%
๐ด Not sure: 6%
2โฃ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ธ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑ… (4,004 responses)
๐ด Largely / entirely by humans (>81%): 29%
๐ค Mostly by humans (60-80%): 38%
๐ก Roughly equally natural + man-made: 14%
๐ข Mostly by natural events (60-80%): 7%
๐ต Largely / entirely by natural events (>81%): 5%
๐คท Don’t know: 6%
โ Climate has not changed: 1%
6โฃ ๐ง๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ธ๐ป๐ผ๐๐น๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฒ, ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐? (4,002 responses)
โ Yes: 74%
โ No: 11%
๐คท Don’t know: 15%
โฆ [Follow-up, only asked to those who answered โYesโ to 6โฃ] ๐ช๐ต๐ถ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐น๐น๐ผ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ถ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐(๐) ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐? (3,546 responses)
๐ข Exclusively beneficial: 0%
๐ต Primarily beneficial: 4%
๐ก Equally mixed, beneficial + harmful: 36%
๐ค Primarily harmful: 36%
๐ด Exclusively harmful: 2%
๐คท Don’t know: 21%
7โฃ ๐ง๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ธ๐ป๐ผ๐๐น๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฒ, ๐๐ถ๐น๐น ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ป๐ฒ๐ ๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐? (3,963 responses)
โ Yes: 78%
โ No: 5%
๐คท Don’t know: 17%
โฆ [Follow-up, only asked to those who answered โYesโ to 7โฃ] ๐ช๐ต๐ถ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐น๐น๐ผ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ถ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐(๐) ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ป๐ฒ๐ ๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐? (3,761 responses)
๐ข Exclusively beneficial: 0%
๐ต Primarily beneficial: 2%
๐ก Equally mixed, beneficial + harmful: 29%
๐ค Primarily harmful: 47%
๐ด Exclusively harmful: 3%
๐คท Don’t know: 19%
So, based on this 2016 survey of professional AMS members, of those who responded,
- 96% of AMS members agree that climate change is occurring, regardless of the proximate cause.
- 67% of AMS members agree that change has primarily been human-caused, but the contribution estimates vary considerably. 67% is far from a consensus.
- 38% of AMS members agree that the impacts of climate change in their localities have been negative over the last 50 years. However, 40% said that the impacts have been mixed or primarily beneficial, and 21% said that they weren’t sure.
- What can we conclude about the โconsensus of scientistsโ on climate change?
- Is climate change occurring? โ
- Human activities contribute to global warming in at least ๐บ๐ถ๐ด๐ฌ capacity? โ
- All global warming over the last half century has been man-made? โ
- Climate change is [or will be] dangerous? โ
Thus, just because global warming is real and we do play some role in causing it is still not a good enough justification to rapidly eliminate fossil fuels from our energy mix. There must be sufficient proof that this warming poses a great threat to the welfare of the planet and life on it, and that has yet to be provided.
So, when climate alarmists [most of whom have no qualifications of their own] claim that I am standing at odds with organizations like the AMS or NASA, quite frankly, I don’t care.
It is clear from the survey results presented above that there is a greater disagreement among scientists than you are led to believe by what both the gatekeepers allow to be published in journals and what higher-ups within scientific organizations claim is the universal position among their members without first consulting them.
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Here’s the original thread below.
Editor’s Note:
Chris’s thread is excellent, but he is relatively new to the Climate Wars and doesn’t know about the precursor to Cook et al 2013, Naomi Oreskes’ 2004 paper, “The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change,” published in Science magazine. It analyzed 928 scientific abstracts from 1993 to 2003. It found that none rejected the consensus on human-caused climate change, often cited as showing 100% agreement, though only 25% explicitly endorsed it, with 50% implicitly doing so. This study was pivotal in quantifying the consensus and bringing it into public discourse, influencing later efforts like Cook et al. (2013) to measure consensus percentages.
This is the first 97% of โclimate scientistsโ consensus survey of which I know. Tiny cherry picked sample of course, and didnโt ask if it were harmful.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2009EO030002
Doran and Zimmerman 2009.
B I N G O !
Pretty much zactly what I wuz gonna say, specially since I just said it Here
Nice Globe graphic…
Though to represent honesty I would flop the number locations. The 97% only represents the pie slice in comparison.
Bingo The 97% figure is based on significantly flawed studies. For the sake of brevity I will list just one of these for now. Curiously other 97% studies came up with almost the same percentage through different, yet equally and similarly flawed methodology. What is the origin of the false belief, constantly repeated, that almost all scientists agree about global warming?
The โ97 percentโ figure in the Zimmerman/Doran survey was the most cited study (referenced by Barack Obama) with this number, and represents the views of only 79 respondents who listed climate science as an area of expertise, who also stated they had published more than half of their recent peer-reviewed papers on climate change. Seventy-nine scientists of the 3,146 scientists who responded to the survey (why distribute to them if they would be disqualified from answering) distributed to 10,000 scientists, ( most of whom ignored the survey) does not a consensus make!
Those 79 scientists ONLY stipulated that in their view humans were responsible for more than 50 percent of the warming since about 1950. (Prior to 1950 scientists state that there was not adequate CO2 emissions to affect global average temperature.) The responding scientists offered ZERO opinion on any catastrophic effects of said warming, or on how much actual warming had occurred, and zero opinion on the benefits of CO2. And they offered no opinion on the amount of warming future emissions would cause. Most skeptics would answer in the affirmative to their survey questions, the primary assertion being that at least 50 percent of observed warming since 1950 was caused by human GHG emissions.
It is cogent to reiterate the glaring error, common to all 97% studies, that preclude them from having any meaning applicable to CAGW and public policy pertinent to the theory. They all leave the โCโ out of CAGW, and thereby move most skeptics into the camp of supporters of CAGW; as most skeptics accept that human GHG emissions cause some warming.
Another flaw, common to all 97% studies, is that it is likely that the majority of the alarmed โclimate scientistsโ in those deeply flawed scientifically meaningless 97% surveys, are not specialists in the causes of climate change (attribution), but in the impacts of and remedies for such change. Many, if not most, may know only a little about the cogent studies of atmospheric physics. They may know great details about how in such and such region there was a drought, or a flood, and in that region these species were harmed, be it plants, animals, etc, and they then look at the IPCC climate model mean warming projection, which according to the observations are wrong (over warm to observations) by a factor of at least two to three, then, unaware that ALL the computer models dramatically overstate OBSERVED warming, they say, โIt worse than we thought, these events will increase in the futureโ, and politicians will add, โ if we do not tax the air you breath nowโ.
The more informative reference is https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/10/an-oopsie-in-the-doranzimmerman-97-consensus-claim/ as it describes the methodology and questions.
Yes. That’s what started it all, not the one Chris mentions.
That’s what I was thinking too, Milo. Thanks for confirming I was remembering right!
The interesting thing in the AMS survey was that nearly equal numbers of members thought climate change was good or bad, and a fifth did not know what the effects were.
That shows much more doubt than the 97% theme.
And then at some point, the leadership of the AMS had the nerve to publish that document above after the Supreme Court decision (and probably other statements as well) declaring that CC is very dangerous, etc. That’s not what the poll of their members showed.
This is really starting to disturb me.
Not because this perfidy wasn’t always required to be outed, but because –
“doing the same thing over and over is the definition of insanity”
Any adult who still needs to be convinced that the “97% Consensus” is arrant bullshit is not someone who deserves intellectual engagement from rational people.
Any adult who still needs to be convinced that the โ97% Consensusโ is arrant bullshit
That remains a large majority, based on my experience.
Problem is… most people don’t read and follow the discussions here at WUWT or any of the other factual climate blogs. They get their information from sources like the BBC, PBS, CNN or even social media and are grossly uninformed.
Professor Richard Lindzen stated that most climate scientists agree that CO2 creates some warming, this does not mean that they believe that human emissions of CO2 is the primary cause of the warming.
And yet, when asked how much warming has been caused by CO2 over the last 45 years (UAH data length).. with measured proof…
… no-one can answer.
And most fortune tellers agree they can look into the future.
+10
I sure hope using the funky font in the URL is an accident and not a new standard. It’ll make for some really meaningless sharing!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/05/29/%f0%9d%90%93%f0%9d%90%a1%f0%9d%90%9e-%f0%9d%9f%97%f0%9d%9f%95-%f0%9d%90%82%f0%9d%90%a8%f0%9d%90%a7%f0%9d%90%ac%f0%9d%90%9e%f0%9d%90%a7%f0%9d%90%ac%f0%9d%90%ae%f0%9d%90%ac-%f0%9d%90%8c%f0%9d%90%b2/
It’s an accident. I tried briefly to get rid of it but it kept coming back. Some artifact from X. Too late to fix now.
Apart from a very mild warming (due to natural events)..
How has the global climate changed in the last 50 years.??
See the UN IPCC’s 2021 Sixth Assessment Report (AR6), Working Group One (WGI), Chapter 12, Figure 12.12 that shows no increases globally in extreme weather including hurricanes, major storms, floods, tornadoes, droughts and wildfires.
Precisely.. If nothing is changing (apart from minor temperature variations)….
… then “climate change” does not exist.
After a reasonably difficult search The IPCC AR6 Chapter 12 Page 1864 pdf 98 finds:
Figure 12.12 | Illustration of different types of climate services.
So if you can provide an actual URL LINK to the “chapter 12” you are citing that would be ever so helpful. Including the Page & pdf numbers would be icing on the cake.
I have found that the IPCC’s AR6 is very difficult to navigate through to find points of interest. My opinion is that such difficulty is by design. The IPCC does not exist so that ordinary people the likes of you and me can easily find what we are looking for.
I will continue to search for the figure you are referring to.
It’s Table 12.12 as Roger Pielke Jr. explains here.
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/what-the-ipcc-actually-says-about
From this pdf
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter12.pdf
Table not Figure Thanks (-:
A while (2 or 3 years ?) ago Javier Vinos posted the following the following URL to another WUWT poster.
Being the fine upstanding citizen that I am I promptly “nicked it” and added it to my browser’s “Bookmarks” structure.
More seriously, I have since found the following webpage to be extremely useful in the context you describe on multiple occasions.
AR6 WG-I “Figures” URL : https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/figures/
If you click through the relevant chapter’s “SEE FIGURES” button and then the individual figure’s “VIEW” button, the subsequent “DOWNLOAD” button gives you a URL suitable for “inline embedding” of the image on WUWT (i.e. it ends with the string “.png”).
E.g. for Figure 12.12 …
NB : You still have to copy the “Figure caption” from the penultimate link “manually” though, for example :
Figure 12.12 | Illustration of different types of climate services. Products, for instance, can focus only on climate-related information or can be designed to integrate climate information with other decision-relevant context (vertical axis) and they can be very generic in terms of relevance to a wide range of sectors or stakeholders or customized to fit the needs of a specific sector or stakeholder (horizontal axis). Figure adapted from Visscher et al. (2020).
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Unfortunately, for Table 12.12 you have to find a suitable image file elsewhere and then use WUWT’s “Attach an image to this comment” option (the “painting of a mountain” icon at the bottom-right of the edit box) instead …
Highly confident of things happening 2050-2100. I’m not highly confident of things happening next week.
Thanks for the help. AR6 starting HERE is more difficult than the previous Assessment Reports. At least is is for me.
Actually, it does not
it
this is an important distinction!
Are you sure that there are no increases as the first statement indicates?
Or is it the case as also the Soon post implies that
โThe IPCCโs models of anthropogenic climate change lack predictive validity. โ
(https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/05/30/new-analysis-ipccs-emissions-based-climate-model-errors-so-massive-they-eliminate-predictive-validity/)
one way or the other
1โฃ ๐ฅ๐ฒ๐ด๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฑ๐น๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐๐ฒ, ๐ฑ๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ธ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ป๐ถ๐ป๐ด?
Climate has always been variable, by definition , it is always changing.
2โฃ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ธ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑโฆ
Depends where you are. Urban expansion and densification has had a large effect in urban areas.
In the middle of the oceans .. no way is there any human causation for any slight warming.
6โฃ ๐ง๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ธ๐ป๐ผ๐๐น๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฒ, ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐?
Not to any noticeable degree. Been very wet the last couple of months, but it was very dry a few years ago.. Thatโs Australia.
7โฃ ๐ง๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ธ๐ป๐ผ๐๐น๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฒ, ๐๐ถ๐น๐น ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐น๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ป๐ฒ๐ ๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐?
Nobody has a clue what will happen to global climate over the next 50 years.
“Nobody has a clue what will happen to global climate over the next 50 years.”
Sorry, but refer to your answer [1]. The answer is it will be different than today, by definition.
With regards to your answer [2]: There has been some warming caused by human activity. Burning coal, gas, and hydrocarbons introduce thermal energy into the earth energy system that would not be there naturally. In 2022, I did a calculation based purely on coal used for steam turbine (thermal) electric generators. The joules released into the atmosphere over the course of 1 year based on specific heat capacity was sufficient to warm the lower 105 feet of the atmosphere by 1C. Spread that across the whole atmosphere and it is miniscule, but not zero.
“ over the course of 1 year based on specific heat capacity”
Heat energy does not remain in the atmosphere, it is removed by air movement, radiative and other methods.
Large bushfires produce far more heat energy, and its gone very soon after the fire ends.
Well there’s no guarantee it will be different in 50 years, because the time scales for the things that actually drive the Earth’s climate (hint: NOT CO2) are generally a good deal longer than a piddling 50 years.
In science, it is not a consensus that counts, but the single, individual scientist who disproves that consensus. Read this by the late Thomas Gold to understand it:
New Ideas in Science, Thomas Gold 1989
I seem to recall that more doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette brand.
I seem to recall that fewer doctors ride camels than any other animal.
It’ll be strange to see what happens in technology when the next generation of scientists tries to invent things without science or logic. Will they log into a virtual conference room and vote for faster than light communication?
“and that this warming is an existential threat to the welfare of the planet and all life on it.”
Wrong. Cook et al used three metrics for the AGW.
https://skepticalscience.com/tcp.php?t=search&s=a&a=&c=&e=1&yf=1991&yt=2011
Level 1 quantifying AGW as >50% – 65 papers
Level 2 Explicitly endorses AGW w/o quantification – 934 papers
Level 3 Implicitly endorses AGW, no quantification – 2934 Papers
Lynas used 1 minus the total of papers. which effectively was the papers that disagreed. And that included the papers that held no position.
Quoting Skeptical Science? Let me put that into context for you:
Lies
D*mn Lies
Statistics
Wikipedia
Skeptical Science
that’s what their data says. 97.1% of 32.6 % overall. AGW >50% 65 papers out of 11,944 is 0.54%. ๐
29+38+ half of the equally divided=74% would be a lot more accurate representation of โ% of Climate Scientists who will say โyesโ If you ask whether humans are responsible for climate changeโ.
I’m only quoting Cook or Lynas. and neither came up with 74%. Half of the equally divided? Why? Did they actually have that opinion?
After you multiply the result by ~33%.
In addition to the results of the questions asked by the AMS survey, one important question that is never asked is:
Do you think that any effort taken in the last 40 years to reduce human greenhouse gas emissions has had any effect on the amount of greenhouse gasses presently in the atmosphere?
Add to your excellent question?
Who the hell do you think you are claiming that humans can control the weather?
The gift that keeps on giving…
Nancy Pelosi called it the ‘wrap-around’.
She understands.
are you sure she didn’t say “reach around.”
Nancy Pelosi
and
Reach Around
Are two phrases that should NEVER appear in the same sentence.
EVER!
Now I’m going to have to wash out my Minds Eye. Thanks!
Always trust the settled science and the scientists-
Harvard professor fired for allegedly fabricating research earned $1M
After all these people are experts with letters after their names.
Seems fair to me. The difference between me and ignorant and gullible pseudoscientific “climate scientists” is that they believe that adding CO2 to air makes it hotter (ho! ho!), and I accept that thermometers respond to man-made heat.
And every scrap of energy produced and consumed by humanity is eventually radiated away as “waste” heat. “Renewable” energy, “fossil fuel” energy, clapping your hands, breathing, braking your motor vehicle – all generate heat.
Sunlight energy to the surface is lost during the night – four and a half billion years of continuous sunlight has resulted in cooling, not heating!
AGW, just not caused by the silly fairytale that adding CO2 to air makes it hotter!
The whole consensus nonsense has the ring of:
“8 out of 10 cat owners, who expressed an opinion, say Whiskers is the best cat food”
Typos
(Sorry to be picky)
Cook et al (2013) should be totally ignored. Andrew Montford of the London GWPF and the sadly now dead journalist Josรฉ Duarte described it as multiply fraudulent, unpublishable, compiled by activists wirh purposive bias excluding sceptical papers, many irrelevant papers, incredible rates of examination per day, completely incompetent statistics. So forget it.
Thanks for posting Chris’s X posts here. It’s probably just me, as much as I’m curious and interested in what Chris thinks and posts on X, but difficult to read and come back to. And comments disconnected and also difficult. Perhaps Chris can continue to post on X (as it gives him well deserved visibility to that diaspora), but also could he prepare is stuff into articles here.
GMU asked a bunch of loaded questions on “climate change”, and even then, didn’t get the result they wanted.
Before John Cook got on the AGW bandwagon he did a webcomic he called Sev Trek. Mostly a Star Trek parody, he also did strips lampooning various other science fiction TV shows and movies.
I hadn’t looked at the webcomic site in a while (this was years ago) and when I went there he’d put up a page telling people about his new site, Skeptical Science.
From webcomic author and artist (with a style clearly ripped off from The Simpsons) to Climate “Expert”.
Actually, my problem here is not that a high number of climate alarmists say stuff they cannot possible proof, but the fact that they are saying it!
Even if just one or two say things which make no sense, they should be laughed out of town!
The fact that they stated opinions is a problem, but the real problem is that we know for a least the vast majority of these studies that they based their opinion on faulty science and not honestly discussing their weak spots!
Just now here at WUWT Soon et al discusses another way , how
“The IPCCโs models of anthropogenic climate change lack predictive validity. “
(https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/05/30/new-analysis-ipccs-emissions-based-climate-model-errors-so-massive-they-eliminate-predictive-validity/)
Why did they not say “these are our simulated trends, but we need to add 25% uncertainty to it until we figure out a higher resolution and the correct cloud micro-physics”?
=> they were falsely overconfident and thus heavily misleading!
Why are these papers not corrected or withdrawn now that we know without doubt that they were lacking?
=> I do not really know why not, but it tells you all you need to know about their scientific integrity!
Was the Naomi Oreskesโ 2004 paper the basis for Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth claim that “we have a consensus?”
I believe we are all clued into the purpose of the “xx% consensus” is the logic fallacy of appeal to authority.
Just as calling computer modelers and researchers “Climate Scientists” is also the appeal to authority.
Were I to publish a paper that calculated how much solar energy is blocked by the moon as it passes between the earth and the sun, would I be able to claim a title of “Climate Scientist?”
It is purely an exercise in geometry.
The cross section of the moon is ~7% of the cross section of the earth.
The moon passes between the sun and the earth 4-7 times per year with a duration of ~8 hours per passage. The moon is somewhat closer to the sun during these events means the 1/r^2 has a minor, non-zero, increase in power density that is blocked.
The moon’s orbit is not circular. The orbit is on an inclination of ~5 degrees from the earth orbit.
The orbit is a tad over 27 days but due to the planet rotation is takes about 29.5 days to go from new moon to new moon.
The quantity of energy blocked is rather small, so some ignore it. But with temperatures present with 4, 6, or more decimals places it should be included in the models.
Not going into how much sunlight is reflect on the earth by the moon.
Also not going to discuss gravitational energy as seen in tides.
The point is, until one properly accounts for all the factors, however trivial, one can only come up with an estimate, a guess.
“Just as calling computer modelers and researchers โClimate Scientistsโ is also the appeal to authority.”
And they say that anyone who doesn’t agree with AGW is not a โClimate Scientistsโ so what they say should be dismissed out of hand.
Seems the 97% was not scientists but rather abstracts to papers published with funding from institutions with financial incentives to say certain things.
“One of the most pervasive myths is that 97% (or sometimes stated as >99%) of โclimate scientistsโ “
A question.
Cook and Lynas seem to arrived at the percentages by looking at papers published.
Along with the problems with their methods, did they count multiple papers written by the same person?
If, say, Hansen or Mann had written 20 of the papers used, was that person counted as 20 “climate scientists” instead of just 1?
Cook et al (2013) “analysed” separately by “abstracts / papers” and “authors”.
Their results were summarised in “Table 3” (copy attached below), which includes the precise numbers for both variables with and without the “No opinion” papers.
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A quick re-check of Lynas et al (2021) would suggest that they used a very similar methodology, but only for the “number of abstracts / papers” variable.
Further complicated by papers with multiple authors. It is normal to have multiple authors. Sometimes the multiple authors even have different opinions. Sometimes multiple authors includes graduate students who have to write ideas that their professors status depends on.
It is safe to say that when a group of people/proponents quotes figures like “… 97% of climate scientists or 98 of climate scientists agree that” it is pure bullshit. .Propaganda talking.
Considering that any scientist that questions AGW orthodoxy is summarily dismissed from the cohort of “real” scientists, just whomare these 3% and why do they get to continue to be considered legitimate scientists?