Reversing the Endangerment Finding: Burying the Union of Concerned Scientists Case Against It

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Steve Milloy,

The Trump EPA is planning to reconsider the 2009 Obama EPA Endangerment Finding (EF) that labeled greenhouse gas emissions as a threat to public health. Here is the first effort [Web | PDF] by a leftist group against that. Let’s take a look at it, line-by line with my comments [bracketed in bold].

In a blitz of destructive actions [Destructive to the green agenda, that is] announced by EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin last month, he specifically called for a reconsideration of the 2009 Endangerment Finding. A formal proposal for reconsideration of the Finding (and all the agency regulations and actions that depend on it) is expected this month. [Don’t look for the proposal this month or even next month.] The science underpinning the Endangerment Finding is airtight [It’s about as airtight as a butterfly net.], but that won’t stop the Trump administration from setting up a rigged process [Psychologists call this “projection.” It was the Obama EPA that rigged the process in 2009.] to try to undo it and give a blank check to polluters [Greenhouse gases are colorless and odorless. Carbon dioxide is plant food. Calling emissions pollution has no basis in reality.] The Union of Concerned Scientists will fight back to defend climate science and protect public health safeguards. [Good luck based on the falsehoods offered so far.]

In an earlier post, I laid out some of the history and context for the 2009 science-backed Endangerment Finding and the Cause or Contribute Finding. [I’ll have to address that next.] These findings followed from the landmark 2007 Mass v. EPA Supreme Court ruling which held that greenhouse gas emissions are unambiguously air pollutants covered by the Clean Air Act. [Massachusetts v. EPA was incorrectly decided. Congress never authorized EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Clean Air Act co-author Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) explained that here.] Together, these establish the clear basis for EPA’s authority and responsibility to set pollutions limits for heat-trapping emissions from vehicles, power plants and other sources of these pollutants, under the Clean Air Act. [The actual holding of Massachusetts v. EPA is that EPA may, but doesn’t have to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. EPA is free to reverse its 2009 EF.]

Attacks on the Endangerment Finding and EPA’s Clean Air Act authority from industry interests are nothing new. Importantly, courts have repeatedly upheld both, including in a resounding 2012 decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals–D.C. Circuit in Citizens for Responsible Regulation v. EPA. [EF science has never actually been reviewed by a court because federal judges decided long ago to defer to agency science decisions.] But those who have long sought to overturn or weaken regulations to limit heat-trapping emissions [There is no scientific evidence showing that emissions have trapped any heat whatsoever.] now have Administrator Zeldin in their corner. [President Trump has determined that climate is a hoax. Administrator Zeldin is implementing administration policy.] And he has shown himself to be an unbridled purveyor of disinformation and proponent of harmful attacks on bedrock public health protections, [There is no scientific evidence that emissions threaten public health.] as my colleague Julie McNamara highlights.

The details of what will be included in the reconsideration proposal are unclear at this point. But we do know some of the trumped-up lines of attack the Zeldin EPA could advance to try to invalidate these Findings because many of these tired arguments are outlined in EPA’s reconsideration announcement.

Here are the facts:

Fact #1: The science backing the Endangerment Finding is beyond dispute [There is nothing but dispute about EF “science.” There is no science demonstrating that emissions have any effect other than as plant food (carbon dioxide).]

Every major scientific society endorses the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change driven by GHG emissions. [Every major scientific society has been taken over by leftist climate hoaxers.] The Fifth National Climate Assessment and the IPCC’s Sixth Assessment Report are two major recent authoritative summaries of peer-reviewed climate science, which show that the science on climate change has only become more dire and compelling since 2009. [These reports are not science but propaganda. Science is not conducted by consensus nor is there anything authoritative about so-called “climate science.” No climate model has correct predicted anything. No climate prediction has ever come true.]

The impacts of climate change on human health are also starkly clear and backed by overwhelming evidence. [What “climate change” is being referred to and what evidence is there that emissions are responsible for it?] Here’s the main finding from the NCA5 chapter on public health, for instance:

Climate change is harming physical, mental, spiritual, and community health [Assertions are not science.] through the increasing frequency and intensity of extreme events, [No sort of weather even correlates with emissions on a climatic scale.] higher incidences of infectious and vector-borne diseases, [No disease rates correlate with emissions on a climatic scale.] and declines in food and water security. [Thanks to emissions, the world is carrying more people who are consuming more food and water than ever.] These impacts worsen social inequities. [Thanks to emissions, there are more people living healthier, wealthier, longer and freer lives than ever before.] Emissions reductions, effective adaptation measures, and climate-resilient health systems can protect human health and improve health equity. [Emissions reductions have never occurred and there its no evidence that anyone or anything would be better off with fewer emissions.]

As just one example, climate change is contributing to worsening extreme heat which exerts a punishing toll on people’s health, including that of outdoor workers. Heat is already the leading cause of extreme weather-related deaths in the United States and studies show that heat-related mortality is on the rise. [We know from US data that there is no correlation between emissions and heatwaves. Heatwaves have actually been declining in the US over the past 90 years.]

Looking around the nation, with communities reeling from extreme heatwaves, intensified hurricanes, catastrophic wildfires and record flooding, climate impacts are the lived reality of all too many people. [No sort of weather event, extreme or not, correlates with emissions.] To deny that or obfuscate about the underlying causes is not only disingenuous, but actively harmful and outright cruel. [Eyeroll.]

Fact #2: The law requires an independent scientific determination of endangerment, unhindered by cost considerations

A Finding of Endangerment under the Clean Air Act is specifically focused on a threshold scientific determination of whether the pollutant under consideration harms public health or welfare. Costs to industry of meeting any subsequent regulations are not relevant per the statute. [The only true sentences so far.]

The original Endangerment Finding was reached in the context of the vehicle emissions, per section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act, partially excerpted below:

The Administrator shall by regulation prescribe (and from time to time revise) in accordance with the provisions of this section, standards applicable to the emission of any air pollutant from any class or classes of new motor vehicles or new motor vehicle engines, which in his judgment cause, or contribute to, air pollution which may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare.

In its 2012 decision, the DC Circuit was also clear is noting that “By employing the verb “shall,” Congress vested a non-discretionary duty in EPA.” That duty is not circumscribed by cost considerations. [If there is no EF, then the “shall” is not relevant to greenhouse gas emissions.]

Of course, the impacts of climate change are themselves incredibly costly and those costs are mounting as heat-trapping emissions rise. [Global GDP has increased 447% since the climate hoax began around 1990. There is absolutely no harm to anyone or anything that can be scientifically attributed to emissions.] Unsurprisingly, the social cost of greenhouse gases, a science-based estimate of those costs, is another metric that the Trump EPA is seeking to undermine in yet another blatant attempt to put a thumb on the scale in favor of polluting industries. [There is no such thing as a “social cost of greenhouse gases.” There is only a social benefit.“]

Fact #3: EPA used well-established methodologies in its assessment of six GHGs

As noted in the 2009 endangerment finding, the EPA defined the pollutant contributing to climate change as “the aggregate group of the well-mixed greenhouse gases” with similar attributes. The attributes include that they are sufficiently long-lived, directly emitted, contribute to climate warming and are a focus of science and policy. [There was in 2009, and there remains no evidence that greenhouse gas emissions have had any effect on the atmosphere.]

The EPA used a very well-established scientific methodology to combine emissions of GHGs on the basis of their heat-trapping potential, measured in CO2 equivalents. In the case of passenger cars, light- and heavy-duty trucks, buses, and motorcycles—the transportation sources EPA considered for the original endangerment finding—they emitted four key greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and hydrofluorocarbons. [You may add, subtract, multiply or divide emissions anyway you want. There is no evidence they cause any harm.]

False, glib claims in the reconsideration announcement baselessly accuse the 2009 Endangerment Finding of making “creative leaps” and “mysterious” choices. There is nothing mysterious about the heat-trapping attributes of greenhouse gases, nor their impact on public health. It’s called science. Once again, relying on the mountain of evidence in the peer-reviewed scientific literature would make that readily apparent. [It is important to distinguish between greenhouse gases and emissions of them. Carbon dioxide, for example, is an important greenhouse gas. But its effects fall off dramatically toward zero as concentrations increase in the atmosphere. We are at a point where effects of emissions, if there are any, are not measurable.]

Fact #4: EPA has the responsibility and authority to regulate major sources of GHGs [Once again, under Massachusetts v. EPA, EPA only “may” regulate greenhouse gases. It has no “responsibility” to do so. and its “authority” is in doubt.]

The Cause or Contribute Finding—which specifically established that greenhouse gas emissions from new vehicles contribute to the pollution that harms public health—may also come under attack. This finding has been extended to other major sources of GHGs, including power plants and oil and gas operations. However, the Trump administration could attempt to use accounting tricks to avoid regulating emissions—as it has tried before. [Indeed. With the EF reversed, all federal climate regulations;ation will come to a halt.]

In its first term, the administration attempted multiple underhanded maneuvers along these lines, including in the context of methane and VOC regulations in the oil and gas sector . For these regulations, the administration split up segments of the source category, designated them as separate source categories, used that manipulation to claim inability to regulate certain segments, and asserted that methane emissions from the remaining segments were too small and regulating them would not provide additional benefits, so those too could not be regulated. Separately, in the final days of the administration, EPA released an absurd framework attempting to set thresholds for determining “significance,” trialed in the context of power plants.

This irrational approach could be used to artificially segment components of power plants or the power system, for example, and then claim no regulations are required. This kind of rigged math wouldn’t fool a kindergarten child but there’s no telling where this administration might go in its desperate attempt to undo or weaken regulations on greenhouse gas emissions. [None of this is relevant to the EF.]

Zeldin’s relentless subversion of EPA’s mission [EPA has no “mission”. It was never established by Congress, only by Nixon Executive order. It is not subversion to end mindless, junk science-fueled over-regulation.]

Under Administrator Zeldin, EPA’s mission to protect public health and the environment has been completely subverted. His shocking rhetoric lays bare how far he will go to protect polluters at the expense of the public. Here he is, for instance, crowing about going after 31+ EPA regulations and guidance, as well as the enforcement of pollution standards meant to protect all of us:

“Today is the greatest day of deregulation our nation has seen. We are driving a dagger straight into the heart of the climate change religion…”

EPA even set up an email address for polluters to send an email to get a presidential exemption from complying with regulations on toxic pollution, such as mercury emissions, regulated under the Clean Air Act! [Not relevant to the EF.]

Zeldin is fervently committed to dismantling public health protections and rolling back enforcement of existing laws passed by Congress. Going after the Endangerment Finding is an integral part of this all-out assault because, in the Trump administration’s harmful calculation, revoking the Finding is a potential means to rolling back all the regulations that depend on it. [Still no evidence that emissions are harming anyone or anything.]

Ironically, some utilities and oil and gas companies have spoken out in favor of keeping the Finding intact, as they fear a greater risk of climate damages lawsuits in the absence of EPA authority to regulate greenhouse gases. Of course, this just exposes that they know their products are causing damage. What they seek is the weakest possible exercise of EPA authority so they can continue to reap profits while evading accountability for those harms. [Big Oil, utilities and other big companies want to leave the EF in place so they can steal the taxpayer subsidies through the Green New Scam.]

We can fight back with science [Climate hoaxers have zero science on their side. Their emissions-driven models don’t work. None of their predictions have come true.]

But none of this is a foregone conclusion. The legal and scientific basis for the Endangerment Finding is incredibly strong. The false claims Zeldin and other opponents have trotted out are full of bombast but weak on substance. [Still waiting for the evidence.]

The science on climate change is so indisputably well-established, that it’s hard to see how any court would uphold a challenge to it. That’s not to say Zeldin won’t try to find a cabal of fringe “scientists” to try to attack it, but they’re unlikely to succeed on the merits. [We will certainly find out if/when the issue gets to the Supreme Court.]

Public comments on the proposal to reconsider the Endangerment Finding can help set the record straight on facts. And if the Zeldin EPA ignores them and finalizes a sham Finding or revokes the Finding with a faulty rationale, that will be challenged in court. [Good luck.]

UCS will be closely following the details of EPA’s proposal to reconsider the Endangerment Finding when it is released. And we will let you know how you can add your voice to bolster this crucial science-based Finding, and the public health protections that flow from it. [There is no “science-based finding” nor any “public health protections that flow from it.”] So, stay tuned! [EF defenders have a whole lot of nothing to support the 2009 Obama EPA determination.]

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April 10, 2025 2:27 pm

Steve.. Love your comments in bold. Spot on with every one of them. 🙂

Tom Halla
April 10, 2025 2:44 pm

A True Believer catechism. And about as well based in science as Gender Fluidity. What are there now, 42 genders?

Reply to  Tom Halla
April 10, 2025 3:15 pm

I believe that California recognizes 39.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
April 10, 2025 4:08 pm

I thought Kerry said 57.

Margaret
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
April 10, 2025 5:00 pm

No, that’s Heinz varieties.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Margaret
April 10, 2025 5:08 pm

Well, duh. He got one of them, and probably spent $57 million of her fortune on his hobby.

Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
April 10, 2025 7:13 pm

28 flavors of ice cream? Umpteen genders?
Such craziness
You just cannot make this up
People sporting these genders should be quarantined and in straight jackets

Reply to  wilpost
April 11, 2025 3:45 am

the pronoun thing is what drives me up a wall- I had heard about this before finally seeing it here in Wokeachusetts- from the medical clinic I go to- on their web site it lists all their people with their pronouns- I thought they must be joking because the pronoun thing is utterly absurd and insane- they’re not joking

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 11, 2025 5:07 am

My mind says “ho-hum” when I see “he-him” and wants to know the whereabouts of the evil twin in “they-them”.

Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
April 11, 2025 3:43 am

🙂

Reply to  Tom Halla
April 10, 2025 9:45 pm

I thought about the gender issue in the sports world. Sportswomen are now “taking the knee” and refusing to compete with biological men. (Well done, ladies.)

Why don’t the sports head honchos simply remove the problem by having a transgender competition in the same way we have male and female competitions?

This would have the side effect of allowing a transgender person to compete like for like.

In tennis, a transgender person could compete on their own in the mixed doubles 😂🤣😂

Reply to  Redge
April 11, 2025 5:25 am

“Why don’t the sports head honchos simply remove the problem by having a transgender competition in the same way we have male and female competitions?”

I heard a good suggestion the other day: All Trans men and women who want to compete in sports should do so in men’s sports. The Trans women are biological males so they will fit in with doing sports with other males, and the Trans men purport themselves to be men, and so should be expected to compete with men. If the Trans men have the abilities to compete in men’s sports, then all is well and good. If not, they should go read a book or something.

Women’s sports should not be destroyed by allowing biological males to compete with them. It is totally unfair to women and should be obvious to even the most ignorant people. Unfortunately, radical Democrats are even more ignorant than most ignorant people, and continue their efforts to destroy women’s sports.

Women should flat out refuse to compete with biological males. Don’t give in to radical Democrat insanity about the sexes. Don’t take part.

HutchesHunches
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 11, 2025 10:38 am

One aside that makes sense. here. Women who compete well in sports are more likely to think that merit is fundamental in governing human competitions. This places them well to the right of the hardcore left that embraces DEI and transgender rights. So there are political implications here. A successful woman in sports does not comport well with the left’s notion that women are victims who need to be protected by them. The convoluted logic that get you there is mainstay in the thinking of many left leaning people in western society.

Reply to  Tom Halla
April 11, 2025 3:42 am

and they all have their own pronouns

oeman50
Reply to  Tom Halla
April 11, 2025 5:08 am

All of those genders are caused by, you guessed it, CLIMATE CHANGE!

See, fixed it for ya.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tom Halla
April 11, 2025 5:57 am

Technically, there are about 8 billion identities as there are about 8 billion unique people.
Gender is a classification system that, unfortunately, got conflated with sex.

Giving_Cat
April 10, 2025 3:07 pm

> Here are the facts:
Fact #1: The science backing the Endangerment Finding is beyond dispute…

Anything beyond dispute is by definition not science.

Reply to  Giving_Cat
April 11, 2025 5:34 am

“Beyond dispute”!

The science isn’t even established yet. These fools can’t prove one claim they make about CO2 and its interaction with the Earth’s atmosphere. All they have are speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions, and NOTHING else.

These fools have been speculating for 50 years about CO2 and still can’t prove one thing they claim. And then they stupidly claim the science is “beyond dispute”. Only in their fevered imaginations.

Trump should come out and say: CO2 is a benign gas, essential for life on Earth and there is no evidence that CO2 causes any harm to humanity. Prove me wrong.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Giving_Cat
April 11, 2025 5:58 am

Spot on.

April 10, 2025 3:23 pm

> President Trump has determined that climate is a hoax.

No! No! No!
President Trump has determined that there is a “climate hoax”
i.e.
President Trump has determined that the alleged existential crisis of anthropogenic climate change is a hoax

Reply to  StuM
April 10, 2025 4:21 pm

Climate change? Trump shouldn’t let the alarmists move the goalposts – their original bogeyman per ‘The Science’ is Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW).

Reply to  StuM
April 11, 2025 3:51 am

He often says truthful things is a sloppy way- so lefties just assume he’s a moron. He just doesn’t have a long history of academic or government work where you’re trained to write and speak in a more polished way- which implies you know the truth/facts- but of course that’s a wrong assumption that the polish means truth. Ordinary folks with little advanced education seem to me to have far more common sense than the elites- so I overlook Trump’s sloppy speech habits. But when people can’t do that – they “misunderestimate” Trump. (that word was used by President “W”). Such elites are shocked when they see that Trump is an alpha male with the guts to do things elites wouldn’t do.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 11, 2025 4:54 am

He often says truthful things is a sloppy way …

I have seen this called either the “stream of consciousness” (neutral) or “brain connected directly to mouth” (negative) way of talking.

It led to the now-standard summary of : “His opponents take him literally but not seriously, while his supporters take him seriously but not literally.”

This can have both positive and negative aspects, depending on exactly what was said and its context… which is rarely what actually appears in subsequent “reporting” …

Reply to  StuM
April 11, 2025 5:29 am

A hoax that spawned a worldwide $scam to increase government command/control, and enrich the elites, and screw all others

MarkW
April 10, 2025 5:12 pm

A more accurate name for the Union of Concerned Scientists would be Cabal of Activist Communists.

Reply to  MarkW
April 10, 2025 7:15 pm

Article 1 and 2. Live it or die

Frankemann
Reply to  MarkW
April 11, 2025 2:58 am

Make that Cabal of Activist Communists Association (or Abhorration if you please) for a better sounding acronym

davidinredmond
April 10, 2025 5:28 pm

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!

or was it Warning Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!

Reply to  davidinredmond
April 10, 2025 6:06 pm

Robbie the Robot starred in ‘Forbidden Planet’ ca 1956.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 10, 2025 6:22 pm

And in numerous other movies and TV shows.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 10, 2025 7:30 pm

The Robot in Lost In Space was the one that said Danger, Will Robinson!
It didn’t have a name!, he was just addressed as Robot ( or occasionally as B-9 “)

Reply to  StuM
April 11, 2025 3:58 am

I had hernia surgery in February. I was told by the surgeon there are 3 methods: open cut, laparoscopy, and The Robot. I envisioned Robbie the Robot doing it.

Reply to  StuM
April 11, 2025 5:11 am

But is AI B9, or will it turn out to be a Rottweiler K9?

Reply to  StuM
April 11, 2025 11:30 am

Robbie was a “guest prop” in a Lost in Space episode.
I don’t remember if he … er … “it” (don’t want to offend the pronoun people) was a good or a bad robot.

Reply to  Gunga Din
April 11, 2025 11:39 am

He was in every episode.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
April 11, 2025 12:22 pm

Lost in Space’s robot was in every episode but not Robbie the Robot from “Forbidden Planet”.
Another prop that had a recurring role was that contraption that had two long tubes of red light that would flash between one or the other. I remember it from the original Star Trek. The last last time I remember seeing it was in Airplane II. (As I recall, someone asked what it does and no one knew.)

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 11, 2025 3:56 am

I’ll never forget seeing that in a theater in ’56. I think there were some toy versions of Robbie too. Many of those early scifi films, though technically simple by today’s standards, were more believable. Same for Twilight Zone.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 11, 2025 2:11 pm

I remember seeing King Kong vs Godzilla in the theater.
(I guess you have a few years on me.)
The Twilight Zone vs The Outer Limits.
My impression after all these years is that The Outer Limits always had a plot that ended “dark”. The Twilight Zone had episodes that didn’t always end up “dark”. Sometimes even humorous.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 11, 2025 5:42 am

Forbidden Planet was a very well-done movie for the time.

I still like watching it on occasion.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 11, 2025 10:52 am

Yep. Different robot. The one in LIS didn’t have a name, did it?

Reply to  davidinredmond
April 11, 2025 5:49 am

I think it’s a precursor to Nadsat, the slang of A Clockwork Orange.

Барада is “about” in Kyrgyz
Никто is “no-one” in Russian.

Reply to  davidinredmond
April 11, 2025 2:20 pm

I think this thread has drifted into “Open Thread” territory.
I’d like to see the Open Thread drift into this kind of stuff more often.
But that’s just me.

Michael Flynn
April 10, 2025 6:35 pm

Greenhouse gases are colorless and odorless

The gases in a greenhouse are oxygen, nitrogen, argon, water vapour, and trace gases.

Colourless and odourless. Some people are nutters who believe in a mythical GHE, in which “greenhouse gases” have magical powers to destroy the Earth!



Reply to  Michael Flynn
April 11, 2025 4:00 am

That- a trivial increase in only one of them, alone will destroy the planet! So we must rebuild civilization using only magical green energy- regardless of cost.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 11, 2025 6:00 am

The only solution that achieves Net Zero is the elimination of all carbon based life on Earth.

D Sandberg
April 10, 2025 6:47 pm

Yes, the EF needs to go, but the consequences of a bad decision from the SCOTUS would be worse than the current situation. The first step has to be winning the case in the court of public opinion. Doing so requires that the IPCC political propaganda organization needs to be exposed for what it is and at a minimum shamed by a significant reduction in funding. If that can’t be done, winning the EF in court is unlikely. Everything is political, including the SCOTUS. The science is an interesting aside, but perception is what matters.

The current IPCC charter is built on the false premise that human activities, specifically creating greenhouse gases “threatening present and future generations with potentially economic and social consequences.” Fair and balanced reporting on the climate such as cost/benefit analysis is currently verboten, outside the UN IPCC charter.

Copy/post abbreviated:
The IPCC charter established by the UN General Assembly:
6 December 1988

43/53 Protection of global climate for present and future generations of mankind The General Assembly:

” …Conservatism of climate as part of the common heritage of mankind.”

“Concerned that human activities could change global climate patterns, threatening present and future generations with potentially economic and social consequences”.

“Noting with concern that the emerging evidence indicates that continued growth in atmosphere concentrations of “greenhouse” gases could produce (sea level rise)”.

Reply to  D Sandberg
April 11, 2025 4:02 am

“the IPCC political propaganda organization needs to be exposed”

That’ll be hard to do considering that most people still watch and trust the MSM which isn’t about to expose the IPCC. Maybe Trump and his people can do it somehow.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 11, 2025 5:59 am

“considering that most people still watch and trust the MSM”

Yes, that’s a HUGE problem. Maybe our biggest problem. People can’t govern themselves properly if they are lied to all the time and believe the lies. The leftwing media lies all the time.

The leftwing media fooled 72 million+ people into voting for an idiot like Kamala Harris. That’s too close for comfort.

Had Kamala been elected, we might not have ever had another free election in the United States. The Democrats/Swamp were very close to consolidating their power over the American people, by arranging to prevent a Republican from ever being elected again. They came uncomfortably close to doing just that.

They haven’t given up, either, although Trump’s election has derailed them temporarily.

We should be treating the radical Democrats like the Existential Threat to Freedom that they are. Republican congressional critters should keep this in mind when they cast votes. Saving our personal freedoms is much more important than standing on “principle” and saying “my way with the budget, or the highway” to your fellow Republicans, Mr. Massie, et al.

Stop voting with the Democrats, Mr. Massie, and Murkowski and Collins and Paul. Your Democrat votes harm the American people. Wake up and look at things beyond your personal desires. You, and your issues are not the most important thing in the world.

DD More
Reply to  D Sandberg
April 12, 2025 6:11 am

The Administrator … in accordance with the provisions of this section, standards applicable to the emission of any air pollutant from any class or classes of new motor vehicles or new motor vehicle engines, which in his judgment cause, or contribute to, air pollution which may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare.

So just put in an Administrator who Judges that CO2 will not reasonably endager any public health or welfare. It’s not like anyone has to Prove anything.

andrewsjp
April 10, 2025 7:09 pm

Steve, you understand EF without having to think what it means. I don’t. Every time you refer to EF I have to stop reading with understanding and remember that it means … what was it? … Endangerment Finding. Give us civilians a break and avoid using alphabetical shortcuts for words not in common use. Thanks for bearing with me.

April 10, 2025 7:10 pm

It is absolutely outrageous Obama weaponized the EPA to be against CO2, a VITAL ingredient to grow green flora all over the world
.
No CO2, no tropical forests, no life on earth, no flora and fauna, no crops to feed 8 billion people. What?
.
B. Hussein Obama and his clique of smart alecs misused the government-subsidized Corporate Media and their big foghorn on the misinformed American People to brainwash them into thinking “CO2 is evil”
.
How in hell did we let them get away with such malfeasance, and high crimes and misdemeanors?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  wilpost
April 11, 2025 6:03 am

Who stated it? Clinton/Gore. Obama was merely following the playbook.

April 10, 2025 7:16 pm

Does “reconsider” mean throwing the faked-up endangerment findings on a burning heap of camel dung where it belongs? Or having real scientists and statisticans contribute studies and evidence to the public record demonstrating the utter hoax that it is and having the EPA, under adult supervision for a change, denounce it and chuck it on that burning heap of camel dung? Either method works for me.

More importantly, Congress needs to restrict the (illegal and unconstitutional) rule-making authority of the EPA and all Executive Branch agencies so this hoax can’t be resurrected like an undead zombie by a future leftist President’s administration. In the case of the EPA, specifically, a simple bill stating that it cannot regulate anything not expressly approved by Congress. For all agencies, including the EPA, a one paragraph bill reiterating that all legislative powers are vested in Congress only and that all proposed rules and regulations must be approved by a majority vote of both houses in order to be enforceable.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  stinkerp
April 11, 2025 6:04 am

The first is what is happening.
The second is highly preferred, but the cost of delay makes it inefficient. Enter Musk.

John the Econ
April 10, 2025 7:17 pm

The funny thing about the The Union of Concerned Scientists is that one does not need be a scientist to join; merely being “concerned” is enough.

Capt Jeff
April 10, 2025 9:54 pm

What concerns me is judges deferring to government scientists.
What we should be doing is attacking the misinformation government site push out of NOAA/NASA, EPA, etc sites much of which is contradicted by data.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Capt Jeff
April 11, 2025 6:06 am

How many years have you been deep diving into this morass?

How much free time does a judge have to bone up on science and the issues?

How much free time do you have to bone up on the laws?

strativarius
April 11, 2025 12:54 am

For climate change to affect anybody… they have to be 30+

ilma630
April 11, 2025 1:58 am

Rather than “[Every major scientific society has been taken over by leftist climate hoaxers.]”, you could say “[Every major scientific society has issued political statements making claims but have never provided any evidence.]”

Reply to  ilma630
April 11, 2025 6:14 am

Yes, we should tell people CO2-caused Climate Change is a political consensus, not a scientific consensus.

We should also tell them that science isn’t done by consensus. Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn’t mean it is so. People used to agree that the Sun circled the Earth. They were all wrong.

April 11, 2025 3:41 am

“The Trump EPA is planning to reconsider….”

reconsider? ha, ha, ha!

April 11, 2025 4:34 am

A formal proposal for reconsideration of the Finding (and all the agency regulations and actions that depend on it) is expected this month. [Don’t look for the proposal this month or even next month.]

[President Trump has determined that climate is a hoax. Administrator Zeldin is implementing administration policy.]

NB : President Trump … and you, and I, and every other individual on the planet … doesn’t get to “determine” a damn thing in the scientific domain.

1) My (vague) memory is that in several speeches / exchanges with journalists over the last decade or so Donald Trump has said that the proposed policies (/ “solutions” ?) to the “problem” of (anthropogenic) climate change were invariably either “hoaxes” or “scams”.

See also the comment by “StuM” above.

2) This EPA press release from the 12th of March starts with :

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Lee Zeldin announced the agency will be kicking off a formal reconsideration of the 2009 Endangerment Finding in collaboration with the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and other relevant agencies. EPA also intends to reconsider all of its prior regulations and actions that rely on the Endangerment Finding.

You are correct that the final “proposal” will not appear anytime soon, but the process has at least been “officially” started by Lee Zeldin’s EPA.

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As I’m already logged in, a few editorial notes …

Fact #1: The science backing the Endangerment Finding is beyond dispute.

“The whole point of science is to question accepted dogmas.” — Freeman Dyson

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.” — Richard P. Feynman

A longer quote from Richard Feynman that is relevant to the UCS’s attitude here :

When a scientist doesn’t know the answer to a problem, he is ignorant. When he has a hunch as to what the result is, he is uncertain. And when he is pretty darn sure of what the result is going to be, he is still in some doubt. We have found it of paramount importance that in order to progress we must recognize our ignorance and leave room for doubt. Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty — some most unsure, some nearly sure, but none absolutely certain.

Our freedom to doubt was born out of a struggle against authority in the early days of science. It was a very deep and strong struggle: permit us to question — to doubt — to not be sure. I think that it is important that we do not forget this struggle and thus perhaps lose what we have gained.

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[Every major scientific society has been taken over by leftist climate hoaxers.]

This is a “political” or “emotional” response, not a “scientific” one.

The proposal by “ilma630” looks good to me as an alternative.

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[ Enter “extremely pedantic” mode … ]

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[ … No climate model has correct predicted anything. … ]

That should be “correctly”.

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[Indeed. With the EF reversed, all federal climate regulations;ation will come to a halt.]

After stumbling over this a few times I think you meant to write something like “regulations and/or regulation” ?

I would (probably) have written it as “… all federal climate regulation(s) will come to a halt”, but excessive use of parentheses can cause (justified) confusion in some readers.

Maybe something including separate references to “rescinding specific regulations” and “reducing regulation in general” … more long-winded, but easier on the brain (?) …

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Mark BLR
April 11, 2025 6:11 am

I suspect (without any supporting evidence) that regulations;ation might have been regulations and actions Irrespective of evidence, I would have phrased it that way.

Reply to  Mark BLR
April 11, 2025 6:24 am

Always good stuff from you, Mark. Thanks.

As you said, Trump says the schemes climate alarmists come up with are hoaxes. My apologies to our friends from the UK and elsewhere in the Western world who think of “scheme” as plans, whereas in the U.S. a scheme is a scam.

I have never heard Trump ever address whether he thinks CO2 needs to be regulated. So, there is a possibility, Trump thinks CO2 could cause noticeable warming, but have a problem with how the “problem” is solved.

Some reporter should ask Trump what he thinks about CO2. Is it dangerous, or not? Does it need regulation, or not? I would love to know what he actually thinks about it.

Nobody has ever asked him this question. Which is kind of puzzling in itself, seeing as how it is the obvious question to ask.

April 11, 2025 5:44 am

That’s pretty much the standard stuff from the Union of Corrupt Socialists.

Sparta Nova 4
April 11, 2025 5:51 am

set pollutions limits for heat-trapping emissions

I am still puzzled how one “traps heat.”
Heat is defined as the flow of thermal energy across a temperature gradient (hot to cold).
If heat is “trapped” it no longer flows and therefore is not heat.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
April 11, 2025 9:25 am

Close the oven door?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 11, 2025 1:04 pm

That creates a greenhouse.
/s

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
April 11, 2025 11:13 am

And if you can solve that conundrum, then your next challenge will be to determine what they mean by “radiative forcing”, since force is by definition measured in Newtons (or equivalent), not Watts 🙂

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  stevekj
April 11, 2025 1:05 pm

It’s a long list and your contribution is appreciated.

Still trying to figure out how electromagnetic radiation and thermal energy are one and the same.

Sparta Nova 4
April 11, 2025 5:52 am

Heat is already the leading cause of extreme weather-related deaths in the United States and studies show that heat-related mortality is on the rise.

Swing and a miss. Cold is the leading cause of weather-related deaths in the world.

Sparta Nova 4
April 11, 2025 5:55 am

I read this piece of SciFi and wondered how any scientist worth his keep could put pen to paper and record such prose.

Then I looked again. The author, Rachel Cleetus, is a Policy Director, not a scientist.

tjag
April 11, 2025 9:37 am

The Endangerment Finding greenhouse gasses that are listed are: carbon dioxide (CO₂), methane (CH₄), nitrous oxide (N₂O), and fluorinated gases (like hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons, and sulfur hexafluoride). H2O is not listed probably because of the following reasoning – H2O- The most abundant greenhouse gas, its concentration depends on temperature and meteorological conditions, not directly on human activities (Google search).
There are many sources of H2O on the Earth – all animals exhale it, all combustion produces it, many production processes produce it. Most are natural, but human activity produces huge quantities of H20 – way more than the quantities of listed gases!
The EPA finding omission of H2O is never explained.
The question has to be asked -‘Why was H2O not addressed in the Endangerment Finding?”

April 11, 2025 10:49 am

It should have been overturned on the major questions doctrine. Congress needs to pass a law to legally enable the EPA’s regulations of greenhouse gasses. Otherwise, the agency does not have the power.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
April 11, 2025 1:07 pm

I read the EPA was established by EO (allegedly Nixon).
Definitely as you point out, Congress needs to act.
But it should also act to “make an honest woman” of the EPA by creating the agency by legislation, if the wisdom of doing so is real.