The Uranium – Hydrogen – Carbon Energy System of the Future

David Archibald

Following is a lecture given on 13th March at the Energy Exchange Australia convocation in Perth. It was a 20 minute slot.

This graph shows the last 26 years of the National Electricity Market which is the power grid on the east coast of Australia. The vertical blue bars are generating capacity. The orange line is demand. Demand used to closely track capacity up to 15 years ago. Now capacity is 80% higher than demand. The increased supply should have resulted in lower prices due to oversupply. Prices should have gone down, surely?

Power prices didn’t go down though, they doubled instead. The blue line is Australia’s Consumer Price Index from 1980. The red line is the Power Prices Index. They used to track closely up to 2008 where they parted company. We are now paying twice as much for power as we should be. And this is for stuff that is going straight to landfill. A power price twice as high as it should be is the price of stupidity.

The result of that is that Australia’s economy is shrinking. We have had three years now of declining GDP per capita. We are getting a lower standard of living.

This was entirely predictable, because it was predicted by a bloke called Brian Fisher in 2019. He predicted a GDP contraction of at least 10% for Labor’s then Net Zero target of 45%. We are feeling that contraction now.

Australia’s four remaining aluminium smelters account for 10% of the power demand on the east coast National Electricity Market. Almost all their production is exported. Power is their biggest operating cost. Neville Wran, when Premier of New South Wales, said that ‘aluminium is solidified electricity’.

So how do the aluminium smelters keep going after doubling the price of power? They are kept going by enormous subsidies paid by taxpayers.

With the result that our trading partners view those subsidies as an assault on their economies. Thus the US has applied tariffs on Australian aluminium equivalent to the subsidies. The same has happened to steel made in Wollongong. This hasn’t been explained to the Australian public.

The jerry-rigged power market fantasy of Net Zero has been smacked by reality. Net Zero is a house of cards.

Why are renewables and Net Zero so cursed? One reason might be that renewable energy is an ideology invented by the Nazis in Germany. Renewables was a major plank of Nazi ideology.

What you see on the left is the cover of a book published in Germany in 1933, the year that Hitler came to power.

The title says ‘Technif und Wirtschaft im Dritten Reich’ which translates as ‘Technology and the Economy in the Third Reich’.

On page 47 you read “The renewable energy is flowing and free.” You read exactly the same thing in today’s renewables propaganda. The opposite is true of course. Renewables may cost us everything.

And just like today’s renewables freaks, the Nazis were also big hydrogen enthusiasts. On page 60 you read the Nazi plan to use wind power to make hydrogen.

And why, why are we destroying our economy and the country? Ostensibly it is all about reducing our carbon dioxide output. The graph shows the carbon dioxide output of China, the United States and the EU since 1850.

What you see is China going flat out at putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, now outproducing the US and the EU together.

China knows that the carbon dioxide scare is a sham or they couldn’t care less, or both.

To add insult to injury, we export coal to China but don’t burn it ourselves.

In World War Two, former Prime Minister Robert Menzies was known as Pig Iron Bob because he allowed pig iron exports to Japan despite Japan’s invasion of Manchuria. We got some of that pig iron back in the form of bombs dropped on Darwin.

Next time round we will be getting some of the coal we export to China back in the form of the explosive filler of the bombs China will drop on Darwin.

China uses cheap coal power to make solar panels to sell to us. Solar panels last 20 years before going to land fill. They don’t have enough value to be worth recycling and the cadmium loading of up to 10 grams per square metre means that they have to go to an engineered repository.

Windmills are the same.

Has anyone thought this through, really? Solar panels are made in China using cheap power from coal at five cents per kilowatt hour.

Under the most ideal conditions on the planet, in the deserts of Australia, the same panels produce power at a cost of 20 cents per kilowatt hour. Then the panels go to landfill.

If you wanted to make solar panels using power from that first generation of solar panels, what would be the cost of power from that second generation of panels?  It would be at least 80 cents per kilowatt hour and so on to infinity. And all the panels end up in landfill.

Solar panels are neither renewable or sustainable. They are simply an artefact of cheap Chinese coal power.

And that coal won’t remain cheap for much longer. This is a diagram from a Chinese paper of a couple of years ago. It shows how much of China’s initial coal reserves have been mined to date, by depth.

Down to 600 metres, they have mined 80% of what they started with.

From 600 metres to 1,000, 60% is now gone.

Typically in resource extraction, once you have exhausted half of what you started with, the cost of mining starts rising.

China has now burnt through half of its initial coal reserves and the cost of doing everything in China will now rise. It follows that to rely upon China as a source of solar panels to replace the ones going to landfill would be unwise.

A bloke called Santayana said way back in 1905 that “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

So what is the best historic analogy that we can draw guidance from in terms of what Australia is doing to itself with Net Zero?

That would be the cattle-killing frenzy of the Xhosa tribe of South Africa in 1858.

A teenage girl called Nongquause had gone down to the river to fetch water. When she got back, she told the tribal elders that spirits had told her that if the Xhosa killed all their cattle, the spirits would replace them with bigger and better cattle.

So the Xhosa tribe killed all their cattle and three quarters of them promptly died. These are people who had been farming cattle for thousands of years but it did not stop them from doing something very stupid with their food supply.

We are doing the same with doing the same with our energy supply and it is within the realms of possibility that the result could be the same with 75 percent of Australians dead.

That is because Australia won’t be able to defend itself when the economy keeps shrinking due to an idiotic cost burden.

Two hundred years after the Enlightenment, we have chucked over science and gone back to a form of paganism.

And for what? We can quantify what would be achieved in destroying our economy.

This is a graph I popularised 20 years ago. The greenhouse gasses, water and carbon dioxide, keep the planet 30 degrees warmer than it would otherwise be.

So the average temperature of the Earth is 15 degrees instead of minus 15 degrees. Carbon dioxide contributes 10 percent of that which is three degrees.

The graph shows the heating effect of carbon dioxide in 20 ppm increments. Lo and behold, the first 20 ppm is worth half the heating effect to date. The heating effect of carbon dioxide is logarithmic, not arithmetic, so it drops away rapidly after that.

From the current level of 421 ppm in the atmosphere, each extra 100 ppm is only good for 0.1 degrees of heating.

When we have dug up all the rocks we can burn, and burnt them, that will add another 200 ppm to atmospheric carbon dioxide. That will be only 0.2 degrees of warming. If you are scared by that prospect, you are beyond saving and I can’t help you.

So, we have established that renewables and Net Zero are ultra-stupid and we should be doing something else. The situation is a bit more complicated than simply going back to fossil fuels. The fossil fuels are running out and we need to leave fossil fuels faster than they leave us.

Take the case of oil which lubricates every activity in our economy. What this graph shows is US tight oil production since 2007. It started out with the Bakken Formation in North Dakota and now most production is from the Permian Basin of Texas and two counties in New Mexico.

Peak oil was supposed to arrive in 2005 but the supply increase from tight oil kept the oil price cheap for another 20 years.

Let’s look at Texas in particular. This graph shows the production profile of the top eleven oil-producing counties of Texas along with the rest of Texas. The biggest producing counties have tipped over into decline while total Texan production continued to rise.

In particular, Howard County tipped over into decline from May 2023. And the rate of its production decline is a lot faster than the rate of production increase up to May 2023. There was no production plateau for Howard County and that implies no production plateau for the whole of the Permian Basin.

This graph shows why Howard County tipped over into decline so abruptly. The X access shows the monthly gas/oil ratio from January 2018 to November 2024. This is the amount of gas that has come out of solution in the oil, in thousands of cubic feet of gas per barrel of oil produced. The Y axis measures total oil production for Howard County.

The gas/oil ratio was rising slowly until oil production peaked and then broke the trend shown by the red line. After that the gas/oil ratio rose rapidly as oil production fell. All this is explained by the reservoir pressure falling below the bubble point after which gas bubbles form in the reservoir. The energy that pushes oil out of the formation starts dropping faster and oil production falls.

And this is another graph of Howard County showing that gas production, the red line, held up for a while as oil production, the blue line, plunged. The two biggest oil producing counties in Texas, Midland and Martin counties, have now also broken through their bubble points.

The implication of all this that US tight oil production, which kept oil cheap for the last 20 years, has tipped over into decline and that there will be no happy plateau in production. The decline will be as fast as the rise at about one million barrels per day per year. As someone who lived through the oil shock of 1973, I can tell you that this has profound implications.

Now look at a bigger picture in terms of the energy available to humanity. This graph shows US oil and production, and Chinese coal production, from 1900. All in oil equivalent barrels so that apples can be compared with apples.

The US tight oil and gas phenomenon, big as it is, is dwarfed by the increase in energy supply due to Chinese coal production. In energy equivalent terms, Chinese coal production equates to oil production of 55 million barrels of oil per day. This is almost twice the energy from US oil and gas production. The rest of the world gets some enjoyment from Chinese coal production in the form of cheap goods. That will be no longer and standards of living will effectively fall.

Going back to coal won’t help much even for those countries, like Australia, that have a lot of coal. We know this because of a lesson from the 2008 commodities boom.

In 2008 there was a cargo of LNG that was imported into Thailand at above the then oil price. And the lesson learnt was that during tight oil supply, things that can substitute for oil will go to the oil price less the cost of conversion.

For a big chunk of the world, the cost of natural gas, imported as LNG, has gone to the oil price in energy content terms.

Coal is destined to also go to the oil price one day because coal can be converted to diesel and petrol using the Bergius process. So if you are relying on coal to keep the lights on and the wheels of industry turning, you will end up with a cost of doing that much the same as if you were burning diesel.

Now we need diesel to keep the economy lubricated and so making it from coal is a good thing to do. Bergius discovered how to do that via hydrogenation in 1913 and this figure is from his 1931 Nobel Prize acceptance speech. Simply, adding 5 kilos of hydrogen to 100 kilos of coal produces 100 litres of liquid fuel and another 20 kilos of hydrocarbon gasses.

A big chunk of the capital and operating cost is the steam reforming of part of the product stream to make hydrogen.

Thanks to nuclear power, we can skip that bit and make hydrogen from the electrolysis of water instead. This will make our coal reserves last 20 percent longer. We should do what we can to conserve our coal so that we can convert it to what which is most precious – liquid hydrocarbon fuels.

In the 1960s, Australian taxpayers used to subsidise oil exploration because everyone knew that having your own oil supply was essential to national survival. When the Bass Strait oilfields were discovered in the late 1960s, they weren’t competitive against cheap crude from the Middle East so Australian motorists happily paid a levy on petrol to get them developed. That paid off in spades during the oil crisis of 1973 when the rest of the world had shortages and Australia didn’t.

The last time we were near self-sufficient was 25 years ago as shown in this graph. The green is Australian oil production in millions of barrels per day and the orange is the balance of demand that is imported. Most of those refined product imports come from the same region where our next war will be fought, which is a very stupid situation to be in.

Note that once we start making enough for ourselves, we can start exporting diesel and petrol to our friends. Instead of being just another mendicant begging for supply, we can be a saviour to our neighbouring countries in the Pacific, which will bring a lot of diplomatic leverage with it.

In fact, if Australia’s current level of coal exports were converted to diesel and petrol, that would amount to seven million barrels per day – over half the rate that Saudi Arabia is producing oil at.

This graph illustrates how it would be achieved for the lowest capital cost and operating cost. In hydrogenating a reactive coal such as the Latrobe Valley lignite, you are adding another 5 percent hydrogen to something that is already 8 percent hydrogen to make diesel which is 13 percent hydrogen. Diesel is 13 percent hydrogen by weight but contributes 39% of diesel’s energy content.

The electrolysers which will convert nuclear power to hydrogen can be turned down to 25% of capacity without affecting conversion efficiency. That allows us to run our nuclear reactors at a steady state despite the big diurnal fluctuation in demand from the power grid. As demand from the grid drops off with the setting of the Sun, the electrolysers can step up and store hydrogen in gasometers.

This graph isn’t diagrammatic. It is scaled to Australia’s daily power demand and current fuel demand. We need 50 gigawatts of nuclear.

We have established that what we need is our nuclear future as soon as possible. There is no alternative, as a famous lady once said. It is a case of either going nuclear or it’s back to horse drawn carts and a seventeenth century standard of living at best.

But what sort of nuclear? It should not be the current dominant nuclear technology of U235-burning light water reactors. These have dominated since the original one in the first nuclear submarine, the USS Nautilus of 1956. The technology of nuclear reactors hasn’t changed much in the last 70 years.

This graph shows why that is such a bad thing. Producing one gigawatt of power continuously over a year requires the fissioning of one tonne of something. To achieve that in light water reactors, you start with 250 tonnes of uranium as mined out of the ground.

You then concentrate the U235 component up from 0.7 percent to 3.5 percent in 35 tonnes of what you started with. This is done at some expense and relies upon the 1.1 percent mass difference between U235 and U238. Nevertheless, 29 percent of the U235 you started with gets thrown out in the other 215 tonnes of uranium which is then called depleted uranium.

The 35 tonnes of enriched uranium are made up into fuel rods clad in zirconium. After three years in a reactor, they are pulled and put into long term storage. They contain one tonne of fission products, 300 kilos of unburnt U235 and another 300 kilos of plutonium that has bred from uranium atoms capturing a neutron. By the time the rods are pulled, half the energy being produced is coming from the plutonium created in the rods.

The whole process only uses 0.4 percent of the energy contained in the 250 tonnes of as-mined uranium. This is one two hundred and fiftieth.

Nobody could be proud of such a wasteful technology. Thankfully, there is a better way.

Before we get to that, there are two problems with nuclear energy that nobody on either side seem to want to talk about.

The big one is that once a reactor has settled down to a continuous power output, seven percent of that power is coming from nuclei that have absorbed a neutron but have yet to split and release energy. They will split, perhaps months or years later. That means you can shut a reactor down by with its control rods but it will still be producing heat.

So a 1,000 MW thermal reactor, which would produce 300 MW of electrical power, will be producing 70 MW of heat from delayed fission reactions. That drops away rapidly but remains significant. If the coolant pipes are broken or the coolant pumps have lost power, or the generators to power those pumps have run out of diesel, then the core heats up and the remaining steam reacts with the zirconium of the fuels rods to produce hydrogen. The hydrogen accumulates in the containment building and explodes.

That is what happened to the three operating reactors at Fukushima after the earthquake and tsunami on 11th March, 2011. Reactor No 1 exploded the following day with No2 and No 3 a couple of days later. Making your reactors bigger to achieve economies of scale makes the problem of shedding heat harder to overcome.

Also, most of the spent fuel rods produced each year around the world are not reprocessed. In the United States they are piling up at 2,000 tonnes per annum with the total now at 98,000 tonnes.

There is one reactor type that solves both those problems as well as the problem that the current dominant technology only uses 0.4 percent of our uranium endowment.

This is the plutonium breeder reactor which has been successfully operated in Russia for decades, and also successfully put into operation in France.

There is no waste. Everything is recycled until it is burnt up. They can be online two years after the concrete foundations have been laid. There are several designs available. We should install them all and see what works best.

The economics of plutonium breeder reactors are competitive with current coal-fired costs.

Adopting plutonium breeder reactors will unlock an even bigger energy resource. As well as breeding U238 to plutonium, thorium can be bred to U233.

Breeding U238 to plutonium has a theoretical margin of 30 percent. That is, under ideal conditions, you will produce 30% more nuclear fuel than you started with. Breeding U233 from thorium has only an eight percent margin which might disappear with neutron losses to the containment vessel and so on.

Every spare neutron from breeding plutonium from uranium should be applied to breeding from thorium. This means that our nuclear endowment would last 1,250 times longer than if just used the current U235-burning technology.

There is a better future, and there is an even better future. That is the promise of thorium.

Nuclear technology hasn’t changed for 70 years. We are just using variations of the first nuclear reactor that went to sea. The space business was the same with cost of getting stuff into orbit unchanged for decades. Then Space X came along and dropped costs by 90 percent. The same potential for much lower costs also occurs in nuclear power.

How fast can we do the nuclear reactor rollout we need to do as soon as possible? Let’s take the example of France after they decided to go all-in on nuclear in the 1970s.

This graph shows the contribution from hydro power in blue, yellow is the nuclear component, brown is fossil fuels and green represents the hopeless renewables.  The blue bar is 245 terra watt hours which is Australia’s current power consumption.

France was able to install 245 terrawatt hours of nuclear capacity over the twelve years from 1980 to 1992. To suggest that Australia couldn’t also install 245 terrawatt hours of nuclear capacity over twelve years would mean that the French are better than us, even the French of 40 years ago before all the improvements in manufacturing technology since. That is just not possible so we can also do it in twelve years.

The four pillars of civilisation are diesel, plastics, steel and concrete. All those things need carbon if made with current technology. So, when the fossil fuels run out, where will the carbon come from? That will require plantation forests of eucalypts. This graph shows the square metres of eucalypt plantation required per capita for each pillar of civilisation. All up it is about 300 square metres or less than a small suburban block, and eminently doable.

In summary, we will be going to Net Zero whether we like it or not. Because one day we will run out of coal and oil and all the other good stuff from the Earth.

But we have a perfectly wonderful future to look forward to with nuclear power by the breeder reactor route.

Instead of burning coal in power plants, it should be saved for making synthetic diesel. Our motto should be ‘conserve to convert”.

Hydrogen enables the conversion of electric power from nuclear reactors to chemical potential. Hydrogen will be a big part of our future.

Carbon is the carrier molecule that enables hydrogen to be used at room temperature and pressure. The sooner we start down that route, the safer we will be.

David Archibald 13th March, 2025

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March 23, 2025 10:25 am

why are we destroying our economy and the country? Ostensibly it is all about reducing our carbon dioxide output.

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Henry Pool
March 23, 2025 10:26 am

Hydrogen is very dangerous. It violently reacts with oxygen. In fact, that is where all the oceans came from. There is also Hydrogen embrittlement. Do you know what that is?

Reply to  Henry Pool
March 23, 2025 10:40 am

Well, many scientists believe that most of Earth’s existing water arrived in the form of icy comets impacting over some extended period after Earth formed as a solid body. Therefore, the “violent reactions between hydrogen and oxygen” occurred well away from Earth.

The universe has “violence” written all over its creation and existence, even up to today.

Hydrogen embrittlement, like rusting, is NOT a violent event.

Henry Pool
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 23, 2025 1:36 pm

So much water falling from outer space. What nonsense is that? Many scientists also believe that an extra 0.01% CO2 can heat earth by as much as 1 degree C. Once the hydrogen bursts though the pipe a violent event is likely to occur…

Michael Flynn
Reply to  Henry Pool
March 23, 2025 4:32 pm

Many scientists also believe that an extra 0.01% CO2 can heat earth by as much as 1 degree C.”

Well, they must be hallucinating. Adding CO2 to air does not make it hotter.

Capt Jeff
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 23, 2025 7:06 pm

In 2010, 7 operators at a refinery I used to work at were burned to death when starting up equipment that exploded due to hydrogen embrittlement. It is not rust.

March 23, 2025 10:28 am

All of the predictions about “peak oil” and “peak coal” and “peak natural gas” over the last 50 years or so have been proven to be completely wrong due to lack of knowledge/ignorance of (a) the true extent of possible FF reserves, and (b) the technology advancements that increase production from even known reserves (e.g., the technology of fracking).

Then too there is this:
“The latest estimates indicate that, worldwide, methane hydrates under the sea hold at least as much carbon as all the coal, oil and natural gas reserves on the planet. Yet few have been studied in detail . . . A recent geologic survey suggests that the hydrates off the coasts of the lower 48 states alone hold the equivalent of 2,000 years of natural gas supply at the country’s current rate of consumption.
— https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/methane-hydrates-could-power-the-planet-or-fry-it/
(my bold emphasis added, and please note this info was published back in 2014)

IMHO, if the demand for fossil fuel energy becomes strong enough, mankind will find a way to harvest methane hydrates from the bottom of the world’s oceans.

This is all by way of saying that the lead-in graph presented in the above article, featuring Hubbert’s 1956 prediction that shows fossil fuel use peaking in the next 200 years or so, and then to decline to essentially zero in the next 500 years, is complete, unadulterated BS!

Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 23, 2025 11:06 am

Sorry to have repeated most of what you said, the system hadn’t updated while I was typing

Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 23, 2025 5:14 pm

Let me call Doomberg..

KevinM
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 24, 2025 9:02 am

Hubbert’s 1956 prediction “
69 years ago. Must have been very urgent. People dying of starvation and not seeing snow everywhere.

Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 10:39 am

Have written extensively about this in ebook Gaia’s Limits.

Hubbert accurately predicted the peak in conventional US crude oil. But he also made two big mistakes. First, he did not envision unconventional crude oil (Athabasca tar sands, Orinoco heavy crude, fracked shale oil). Second, he used a logistics function when the correct function is a gamma with a long tail. After peak, there is a long slow decline. Is now proven by the North Slope and North Sea basins.

However, when corrected there will still be a shallow peak followed by slow decline in crude sometime between 2040 and 2050. The liquid fuels (gas, diesel, jet kerosene) shoe starts to pinch then.

His postulate does not apply for centuries, if at all, to natgas, thanks to fracked shale gas with recovery factors now approaching 25%.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 11:11 am

Is the author right about thorium? I keep hearing people say this and others then trash it.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  michel
March 23, 2025 12:57 pm

Is complicated, so yes and no.

It is a political decision not to recycle spent uranium fuel rods. They do recycle in Japan, the resulting fuel is called MMX (mixed metal oxide, U+P). The resulting concentrated radioactive waste is glassified for disposal.

It true that breeding thorium into fissile U333 is a viable alternative to U235 into plutonium. Could be done in a functioning thorium based molten salt reactor, which thorium advocates want.

But a functioning molten salt reactor could also run on spend conventional fuel rods using the U to P cycle, eliminating the need for Japan like spent fuel recycling while solving the spent fuel rod problem.
In essay Going Nuclear in ebook Blowing Smoke, I discuss all this is detail. One footnote leads to a serious and detailed concept paper by MIT spinout TransAtomic Power. The paper discusses the remaining engineering issues and multiple possible solutions to each. They eventually folded after failing to get Obama support. Nuclear wasn’t green enough.

Intelligent Dasein
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 6:31 pm

U333 is a very heavy isotope…

Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
March 24, 2025 2:38 am

LOL

David A
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 24, 2025 6:39 pm

technology does not stand still. We have developed several sorts of “Enhanced Recovery Techniques” that keep on “finding” more oil in old fields. This leads to the possibility that the front side of the curve to “Peak Oil” may be a bit of a fiction. Hubbert developed his thesis (which worked very well to predict individual fields over modestly long time periods) during a time before our more exotic techniques were developed. The thesis may not hold up over a centuries long time scale where technology changes have plenty of time to change the rules…

Most of the time the popular press is talking about economically recoverable reserves, so what is a “reserve” changes with the price and with technolgy. Basically, if the price rises, we “find” more reserves; and as technology advances, we “find” more reserves. This means that our present belief about what percentage of the “reserves” we have pumped is somewhat broken, especially in a future where oil prices are over $100 / bbl and 50 years of technology improvement have happened.
This could easily move Peak Oil out another 50 years.
We are also drilling in 10,000 feet of water and finding oil in geologic layers that prior theory said were too deep for oil formation. Much of the planet that has been “completely explored” was only explored to a much shallower depth because theory said oil could not exist deeper than that. There is now a whole new “shell” of depth to explore for oil. Who knows what we will find there (but Standard Oil found oil in the Gulf of Mexico at those extreme depths as has Petrobras in Brazil…)

What is Oil?All we have talked about so far is what is named “conventional oil”. There are at least 2 major “unconventional oil” sources that are vastly larger than all of conventional oil. These are the “Tar Sands” (much of which are in Canada) and the “Oil Shale” which covers hugh areas of the United States (along with other parts of the world). The shale is presently not considered an oil reserve of any sort, since nobody can make money off it at present oil prices. Trillions of barrels of oil that exist, but are not counted.
What is a ‘resource’ changes with price and technology.

With oil over $100 / bbl the “oil” reserves of the world double or triple…
How much is “ultimately recoverable”? Nobody knows, but it is immense.
This puts us at somewhere around 200 years out before we are really at risk of “running out of oil”… But even this ignores an “oil” source.
Synthetic Oil & “Oil” Products; CTL – Coal To LiquidsCoal can be easily turned to gasoline and Diesel (as done by SASOL in Africa, or Rentech, Syntroleum, and Synthesis Energy Company in the U.S.A.) or into “petro” chemicals as is done by Eastman Chemical company (ticker EMN) today.
See: The SASOL site for more.
And they are not the only ones doing this. The process was invented in Germany prior to the Nazi era by FIscher and Tropsch so it is commonly called FT technology. During WWII, the Nazi war machine ran on FT fuels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch
During the Arab Oil Embargo of the 1970’s, South Africa was threatened with a cut off of fuel from the west. They dug out their history books and SASOL was born. They have been running a modern economy on synthetic oil ever since.
Their economy has benefited from the stable energy costs and foreign exchange retention (i.e. not sending gold to OPEC). They are the most industrially advanced economy in Africa. They are an existence proof that this technology is all that is needed to provide all the “petroleum” fuel products we need, even if we don’t have enough “petroleum”.

David A
Reply to  David A
March 24, 2025 6:40 pm

All you need to do to make synthetic crude oil is take any material that contains a hydrocarbon component (plastic, paper, biowaste, coal, tree chips, garbage, slaughter house waste) put it in a pressure vessel and cook at high temperature with a little water, and pressure (500 degrees Fahrenheit and pressurized to 600 pounds per square inch, for about 20 minutes). Out comes a synthetic crude comparable to a high quality crude oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/anything-oil
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/agricultural_waste.pdf
There is a new microwave process that is also being worked on to do the same thing.
Basically, we run out of “Oil Products” long after we run out of oil, since we can use coal or any other carbon source.

David A
Reply to  David A
March 24, 2025 6:41 pm

This is not to say a major move to nuclear is not needed and worthwhile. I think it is.

March 23, 2025 11:00 am

Uff…lenghty article, nicely ilustrated and heard of it already. Peakwhatsoever might happen BUT:

– not all deposits have been discovered yet
– demand and supply regulate the price and thus make exploitation profitable
– technological improvements have an impact on exploitation costs as well as consumption

Long story short, hell freezes over before mankind runs out of hydrocarbons of any kind. All that pseudo synthetic fuel pipedream only increases taxes and the cist of living. A ludicrous attempt to solve a non existent problem.

The real BS is forcing people against their will back on a horse driven cart, even if that horse is electric and the cart carries batteries or a hydrogen tank.

The world ran fine with a well balanced energy mix during the 20th century, until in the 21st century some ecotards found a way to screw things up.

To quote from a science fiction movie with Kurt Russel: ” My father who was in maintenance had a saying: IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX IT!”

Well now that you’ve broken it in roughly two decades fix it in less time..don’t get your hopes up

Reply to  varg
March 23, 2025 12:05 pm

Peakwhatsoever” isn’t so much about running out as the whatsoever becoming economically unviable.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  varg
March 23, 2025 1:10 pm

VARG, read my Ebook Gaia’s Limits. Hubbert was wrong about crude oil, but most assuredly so are you. Take your observation that not all crude deposits have been discovered. True, BUT there is a way to estimate how much remains to be discovered by basin and for the whole world using hyperbolic ‘creaming curves’. When I wrote the book (published in 2012) the answer was that only about 25% of conventional crude remained to ever be discovered. That did not even then offset conventional known depletion.
What has and will until maybe 2040 or so is unconventional. The Athabascan tar sand recoverable reserves are known. The Orinoco heavy oil recoverable reserves are known. Not all the frackable shale oil is known, but the main problem there is that presently recovery factors are about 2%. Even the most optimistic frackers think they might eventually reach 4% because of viscosity.
By comparison, fracked natgas recovery is already reaching about 20-25% (depends on the shale details) because it by definition doesn’t have a significant viscosity problem.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 8:06 pm

Point(s) taken.

Anyway the shallow peak followed by a long and slow decline in crude oil production is managable by adapting correspondently on various levels (as long as politicians get out of the way)

This forcefed nonsense we’re facing nowadays is quite the opposite of a viable solution.

Politics is the real and only problem mankind has.

Ebook sarc comment:

I prefer my old R5 over any battery powered crap and (please don’t be offended) so do I paperback.

Reply to  varg
March 24, 2025 5:41 am

Russia has access to vast quantities of oil and gas off the coast of Siberia.

The US is trying to muscle in by owning Greenland and Canada, so it has a long coast line
on the Arctic Sea, similar in length to Russia.

It is all about the US elites owning resources to extract profits to further enrich themselves.

Regarding hydrogen, California threw several hundred million dollars at its hydrogen program and only a few cars use hydrogen.

The program has fizzled out while choking on complexities and costs, similar to high-speed rail

KevinM
Reply to  wilpost
March 24, 2025 2:32 pm

off the coast of Siberia”
Japan?

Reply to  KevinM
March 24, 2025 7:11 pm

Get a map

Bruce Cobb
March 23, 2025 11:03 am

Sounds good, in theory anyway. Instead of calling it Net Zero though, how about maybe Net One Thousand? As in, supplying our energy needs for the next thousand years (or whatever).

Alan Dunn
March 23, 2025 11:13 am

fascinating article – and compelling on the need to quickly develop nuclear power.

HOWEVER, – story tip – a graph and some language is missing in the middle part immediately following the paragraph that opens with this language:

Now look at a bigger picture in terms of the energy available to humanity.”

If you have a chance, please update this article and add the graph and language that was intended for this segue.
 

Erik Magnuson
March 23, 2025 11:15 am

“Delayed fission” needs to be replaced by “decay heat” as 6% of steady state power is from the decay of the fission products.

Using uranium in light water reactors is not necessarily wasteful as the Pu, remaining 235U and 238U can be used in fast breeder reactors or Pu cycle molten salt reactors. In the latter case, removal of 135Xe and other neutron poison fission products may improve the neutron economy enough to make them self sufficient in 239Pu.

Laws of Nature
March 23, 2025 11:24 am

I believe this is a key premise of your article:
>>If you wanted to make solar panels using power from that first generation of solar panels, what would be the cost of power from that second generation of panels? It would be at least 80 cents per kilowatt hour and so on to infinity.

And I am quite certain that the production cost of making a solar panel using solar panels does NOT depend on if any of them were made using coal, whatever that cost is, there is no runaway effect!

Also, I agree that electrical power produced by coal is typically cheaper than the one from solar panels, but in your example the electrical power making solar panels comes from the company´s own solar panels, which avoids the market,at that stage there is no cost involved!

>>And all the panels end up in landfill.
This seems not a principle problem, but a result of current technology and it seems fixable using for example organic solar cells.

MarkW
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 23, 2025 12:28 pm

Even making panels using power from your own power involves cost. The solar panels, their installation, maintenance and eventual retirement cost money, and that money has to come from somewhere. Where the money comes from is from the products made by that energy.

First off, the so called organic solar cells are much less efficient than standard cells. Secondly organic cells are no more recyclable than are standard panels.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  MarkW
March 23, 2025 1:20 pm

>> [..] from is from the products made by that energy.
Indeed, and this direct dependence means the runaway argument from the original poster is still refuted!

>> First off, the so called organic solar cells are much less efficient than standard cells
True, but irrelevant as long as you get a net positive energy balance!
>> organic cells are no more recyclable than are standard panels.
Google disagrees with you in that, but after all they were only an example.

My point was and is that there is no runaway effect and the idea of making solar panels from electrical solar panel power has merit, even so in the age of cheap coal power that merit for sure seems very tiny.

Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 23, 2025 7:58 pm

No. When you make your original solar panel from fossil fuel, the cost of the power produced by the solar panel is higher than the cost of the power of the fossil fuel used to make it. That means anything produced by that solar panel has a higher cost, including the second generation of panels. The added costs raises the cost of the power produced by the second generation panel, including the cost of the third generation panel. Now the third generation costs more, so that added cost makes the power it generates more expensive.

Every new generation of solar panels cost more, resulting in higher power prices.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  jtom
March 23, 2025 10:02 pm

Why doesn’t the same logic apply to trees? They are even worse at converting solar energy to useful stuff than solar panels and so they should also be subject to the same law of diminishing returns. Yet trees have been around for 100 of billions of years.

Simon Derricutt
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 24, 2025 7:15 am

Izaak – trees grow without any other work needing to be done, though maybe you’d want to grow them in neat rows to make harvesting easier, giving you some expenditure at the start. After that, you don’t need to do anything except wait until you want to harvest them.

Not a clever comparison against making solar panels, which need an energy input to mine the materials, convert them and purify them, and to assemble the panel and ship it to where it’s wanted.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 24, 2025 8:41 am

When a tree creates another tree, the ‘cost’ is the same every time. If it ‘cost more’ in any way, there would be no trees.

KevinM
Reply to  jtom
March 24, 2025 2:54 pm

Making the 10,000th solar panel does not cost more energy than creating the 1st solar panel with the same process. Energy input, measured in energy units, would stay the same.
The cost of energy input would increase (and reliability decrease) as solar energy changes from 0 percent to 100 percent.
Once solar energy reached 100 percent, the cost of energy could not be driven higher – it reaches a non-runaway limit.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 24, 2025 6:41 pm

trees have been around for 100 of billions of years.

Sure they have izzy. Way before the Big Bang, there were the trees, am I right?

KevinM
Reply to  jtom
March 24, 2025 2:48 pm

Both sides of argument agree that “When you make your original solar panel from fossil fuel, the cost of the power produced by the solar panel is higher than the cost of the power of the fossil fuel used to make it.”

Both sides of argument agree that “That means anything produced by that solar panel has a higher cost, including the second generation of panels.”

The argument is over “Every new generation of solar panels cost more”

Once all power is solar (both sides see why it is a bad idea) cost changes stop being controlled by the cost of electricity. Electricity will then have a fixed price (agreed, fixed price of solar electricity would be higher than a fixed price of coal electricity)

KevinM
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 24, 2025 2:42 pm

You are not yelling into space.
MarkW responded with correct information that supports “100% solar is a dumb idea” but does not refute “100% solar is possible”.

Michael Flynn
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 23, 2025 4:35 pm

“. . .it seems fixable using for example organic solar cells.”

Do you mean those things referred to as “leaves”?

KevinM
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 24, 2025 2:40 pm

Agreeing with LoN’s point – there is not a runaway.
Yes making solar with solar is more expensive than making solar with coal.
Yes making solar with solar keeps all the known disadvantages of solar.
Neither cost nor intermittency cause a runaway effect unless you try to apply supply/demand models or manufacturing resource constraints or something.
The cost of making solar with solar settles at a price. The price might be “too high”, but there is a price.

rckkrgrd
March 23, 2025 11:27 am

The end of oil is not imminent or even foreseeable, but the end of affordable oil may be closer than we would like. It doesn’t hurt to explore new technology for this reason, rather than the panicked and expensive excuse of unlikely harm from a warming planet.

Corrigenda
March 23, 2025 11:29 am

But we have huge reserves world wide and nuclear fusion will be in hand in a few decades

MarkW
Reply to  Corrigenda
March 23, 2025 12:31 pm

Fusion has been 20 years off for over 50 years.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
March 24, 2025 6:46 pm

To be fair, it fluctuates between 5 and 40, with a mean around 22.5

Sustained fusion on earth is coming. With the sun going red giant and engulfing the earth. But commercial viability is a never thing.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Corrigenda
March 23, 2025 1:14 pm

My personal belief after much study is that commercially viable fusion will never happen. Reasons given is essay ‘Going Nuclear’ in ebook Blowing Smoke.
Or to paraphrase a French physics Nobel prize winner, “The idea of fusion is pretty. We just put the Sun in a box. The problem is, we do not know how to make the box.”

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 2:41 pm

And we will never know how to make the box. Spending money on fusion is the next largest energy investment scam after wind & solar.

KevinM
Reply to  Corrigenda
March 24, 2025 2:57 pm

and nuclear fusion will be in hand in a few decades
Ow! my hand hurts?

I know you were joking about fusion. How did regular readers miss the sarcasm?

Kasmir
March 23, 2025 11:36 am

The concerns about the longevity of nuclear wastes are misplaced. Non-radioactive heavy metal wastes (say) are also poisonous, carcinogenic and mutagenic — forever — yet are routinely disposed of. No one talks about guarding the those disposal sites for all time. That high level radioactive waste rapidly decays into low-level waste is a feature not a bug. Low level radioactive wastes are no more dangerous than the enormous volumes of “forever poisons” produced by many industrial processes — ironically including those produced as byproducts of the life cycle of the renewables industries.

KevinM
Reply to  Kasmir
March 24, 2025 3:00 pm

Comment deserves a “paying attention” award of some kind.

Mr.
March 23, 2025 11:36 am

What an informative article.
Thanks David.

In answer to your question
Has anyone thought this through, really? 
The answer is clearly, emphatically NO!

However –
Australia seems well placed to exploit Thorium deposits –
https://www.ga.gov.au/bigobj/GA10954.pdf

So there’s that . . .

worldwide-throium-reserves
MarkW
March 23, 2025 12:02 pm

While it is true that someday we will run out of fossil fuels, since that day is well over 1000 years off, I see no reason to start wasting money on alternae fuels just yet.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  MarkW
March 23, 2025 12:19 pm

On the other hand, if it can be competitive with coal and NG,why not do it now?

KevinM
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 24, 2025 3:04 pm

I see no reason to start .. just yet.
“…why not do it now?”
If only there were some economic system that allowed this sort of disagreement to be resolved by competition between different producers.

hdhoese
March 23, 2025 12:11 pm

Interesting article, a little aside in a stack of predicted to be extinct marine science reprints this was exposed. Atkinson, L. P. and F. A. Richards. 1967. The occurrence and distribution of methane in the marine environment. Deep-Sea Research. 14:673-674. Dissolved in sulfide rich waters of the Black Sea, Lake Nitinat and the Cariaco Trench. Concluded that it forms slowly following sulfide. They did not find it in low oxygen basins but cited some interesting papers on gas in sediments. Richards was well known for his studies on ocean oxygen.

March 23, 2025 12:26 pm

Did Nongquause have pigtails?

strativarius
March 23, 2025 12:50 pm

And just like today’s renewables freaks, the Nazis were also big hydrogen enthusiasts.

Indeed.

[Miliband] is consulting on plans for a new levy on gas shippers to bankroll the rollout of hydrogen.
In official documents, his department admits: “It is our assumption that gas shippers, and suppliers, will pass on costs directly to their customers.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/33990005/ed-miliband-eco-levy-hydrogen/

That’ll force prices down /sarc

March 23, 2025 1:20 pm

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Mr.
Reply to  _Jim
March 23, 2025 1:38 pm

Is that a transcript of a Joe Biden speech?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Mr.
March 24, 2025 6:54 pm

The Demented One reading a Kamalamadingdong word salad off a glitching teleprompter.
“Repeat the line”.

Bob
March 23, 2025 2:04 pm

There is a lot of good information here. It would be helpful for some of us if it were divided into different posts.

One for the effectiveness of CO2 as a greenhouse gas. The chart showing the effectiveness for each added 20 parts per million is the most important in my view, it should be plastered all over the US. It shows that CO2 does not do what they are saying it does therefore there is no need for net zero, therefore there is no need to transition to wind and solar.

Next a post showing that if there were a need for net zero wind and solar are not the answer. They can’t replace fossil fuel, hydro and nuclear, they are expensive, they are not green and they are not recyclable.

Next a post on fossil fuels pointing out how important and effective they are even if there isn’t a limitless supply and how we can address that issue. I don’t think we will run out of them but we will surely reach a point where they are no longer our best most cost effective source of energy.

Next nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is clearly the way forward for our electrical needs and may play a big part in providing transportation fuel in the future. We have talked about what kind of nuclear process to use to death. It is time to get off our backside and start building them, We know how to build gen threes let’s build a few of them where they are needed most, In the meantime build demonstration projects of SMR, thorium, breeder reactors and what ever else is out there. The point is it is time to start building and stop talking.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Bob
March 23, 2025 3:05 pm

Here in the year 2025, buiding new reactors in the US is strictly a public policy decision and will require direct funding from state governments and from the federal government to go forward.

Even this will not happen unless the nuclear construction industry can demonstrate it is capable of delivering new-build projects on a reliably accurate cost and schedule estimate.

The next decade will see a reduction in the NRC’s basic nuclear safety, ALARA, and LNT requirements. But we will not see a reduction in the nuclear quality assurance requirements being applied to safety-affecting systems and components.

It is the failure to meet nuclear QA requirements which has been one of the major drivers of cost growth in nuclear construction projects, in addition to a failure to develop and implement an accurate and honestly-stated cost and schedule baseline for the kind of quality work nuclear construction requires.

Bob
Reply to  Beta Blocker
March 23, 2025 6:26 pm

There are I think 93 working nuclear reactors in the US at this time. How did we build them?

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Bob
March 23, 2025 7:53 pm

A lot of the institutional knowledge that went into building those 93 reactors has retired. With nuclear generating plant construction in the doldrums for decades, the skill set for building went away.

My understanding of the two new units at the Vogtle plant was that the construction of unit 4 went more smoothly after the lessons learned from building unit 3.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Erik Magnuson
March 24, 2025 4:39 pm

At the end of the 1980’s the nuclear construction industry was well equipped to build more reactors while doing so on time and on budget.

But the orders didn’t come. A power utility could build a gas-fired plant quicker and cheaper than even the most well-managed nuclear plant project.

When we were doing feasibility estimating for Nuclear Renaissance 1.0 in the mid-2000’s, it was recognized that the nuclear construction learning curve had to be passed through for a second time. Which we knew would be a painfully arduous task.

Those estimates were done under an assumption that although the in-field workforce and the component fabrication workforce needed significant attention to make them once again nuclear capable, the managerial side of the nuclear construction industry would take advantage of all the hard lessons learned from the late 1970’s and early 1980’s.

It didn’t happen that way. The management teams for Vogtle 3 & 4 in Georgia and VC Summer in South Carolina were woefully under-prepared to take on these two projects.

Those two projects made every serious mistake a management team can make in running a nuclear construction effort. They didn’t miss a one — lack of proper work scope definition, inaccurate and dishonest cost and schedule baselines, lack of design maturity at the beginning of construction, lack of in-field and component fabrication QA oversight, lack of effective contractor interface control, lack of system and component configuration control, many and continuing changes to design specifications for systems requiring NRC review and approval — the list went on and on.

The management problems at VC Summer were so bad they went into the realm of criminal negligence. The Vogtle plants weren’t quite that bad, but were close. Southern Nuclear fired the original Vogtle management team but that project would still have been terminated had the Georgia PSC not decided to allow the project to go forward regardless of what the two reactors might ultimately cost.

The next nuclear construction effort which is realistically on the horizon on the North American continent is Ontario OPG’s Darlington project, which will build a first GE-Hitachi BWRX-300 SMR by 2030. If that first one is brought in on cost and on schedule, three more will be added. I don’t see any other large-scale nuclear projects being initiated on the North American continent unless and until the Darlington project is clearly demonstrated to be a success.

Michael Flynn
Reply to  Bob
March 23, 2025 4:38 pm

One for the effectiveness of CO2 as a greenhouse gas”

That’s wasting a perfectly good blank piece of paper. Everyone knows that adding CO2 to air does not make it hotter, don’t they?

David Loucks
March 23, 2025 2:09 pm

Very informative article, but Happer has a better idea. Use the electricity from Nuclear to make liquid fuel from Limestone instead of Hydrogen and then use the liquid fuel in our existing infrastructure. The need to do this may be some time in the future, but we need to develop the nuclear infrastructure before that date.

March 23, 2025 5:11 pm

This is going to piss off the burn (coal) baby burn crowd..

March 23, 2025 5:14 pm

we can also do it in twelve years.

The sad fact is that lawfare is moving at a much faster pace than engineering. There is 40 years of evolution in lawfare over the last 40 years. Most of the engineering needed to build nuclear power stations has remained static over the past 40 years and I expect that the young engineers needed to design, develop and maintain nuclear plants are being trained to build and maintain solar and wind farms. I know for a fact that University of Newcastle dropped its combustion engineering education for a degree in “Renewable” Energy.

There is very little prospect of Australia building a nuclear power station by 2050. Australia may be able to partner with Korea or China to build a nuclear plant within the next 15 years but that would be a stretch.

Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 6:47 pm

Late continuation, mostly for the record. There are two different Gen3 fission reactor designs actually constructed and operating. Three in Europe all based on the EDF ‘EPR’ design. All three way late and bigly over budget. Two in US, (Voglte 3/4), also way late and over budget. Two others in South Carolina were cancelled before completion—their situation was deemed hopeless.
Given these commercial failures, I think the best way forward wherever possible is CCGT (fast, relatively cheap, very reliable) while we spend maybe a decade or two sorting out the various gen4 proposals (SMR, ceramic pebble bed, two different molten salt, traveling wave breeder…), build a couple of pilots of the best, learn how to fix any design/operation bugs, and then go nuclear with the best gen4 decades from now. Advocating nuclear now means gen3, a certifiable commercial disaster.

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 23, 2025 7:56 pm

A large part of the problem is that industry has forgotten how to build a nuclear generating station. I suspect that construction of a new plant will go smoother.

KevinM
Reply to  Erik Magnuson
March 24, 2025 3:10 pm

That’s a big bet for “I suspect”

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Erik Magnuson
March 24, 2025 4:45 pm

See my comments here.

March 23, 2025 9:27 pm

Along with the rest of the biosphere, humanity rides on a raft of basalt floating on a spherical ocean of molten rock which contains about ten billion years worth of heat energy at the present level of all types of human energy consumption. Also, the geothermal flux is twice the present level of all types of human energy consumption. At some point in the past couple of decades, the Energy Information Agency asserted that geothermal electricity production was the least expensive means of producing electrical power.

P.S. You left geothermal energy out of your mix.

altipueri
Reply to  MaroonedMaroon
March 24, 2025 3:01 am

There’s a few bits on geothermal energy here: https://www.gchqventures.com/gallery

22% of power in the Philippines comes from geothermal. There are about 40 countries that have reasonable geothermal potential.

Geothermal is Eternal™

(I actually made that TM phrase up myself after a few too many drinks – and paid to register it. 🙂

KevinM
Reply to  MaroonedMaroon
March 24, 2025 3:12 pm

Continental US is not Iceland. Neither is Australia. Neither is UK.

son of mulder
Reply to  KevinM
March 25, 2025 1:08 pm

Drill deep enough and it is.

March 24, 2025 3:02 am

I agree broadly with this excellent article.
Fossil fuel wont run out so much as get extremely expensive, Already pump prices of diesel and gasoline are climbing,
The effective cost of hydrocarbon fuel already would make nuclear the electricity generating source of choice but for the regulatory burden that increases its cost.
Synthetic hydrocarbons powered by nuclear will eventually be lower in cost than fossil fuels.
But the arguments about which nuclear are all faux. The nuclear you want right now is whatever nuclear you van get up and running right now. Armchair theorists working out the best form for 50 years down the line does not get plant built today.

PWR is known. Mass produced PWR is known to be cheaper than breeder reactors. Who cares if its inefficient of fuel – there is plenty of fuel.

The first steam locomotives were about 1% efficient, but there was plenty of coal. The last steam locomotives 100 year later were maybe 20% efficient.
A coal power station with steam turbines is maybe 37% efficient.

Spending billions on better technology is not worth it – that’s renewable idiocy all over again, Technology evolves and better breeders will become cost competitive when uranium prices go up. The same is true for reprocessed fuel Its currently more expensive than new,.,

The nuclear power industry is all working towards one goal at the moment – mass produced cheap small reactors, to get costs down. Mainly these are PWR because its the most well understood tech.

Once the infrastructure and supply chains are in and the profits flowing THEN we can look at investing in breeders and thorium fuel.
Australia is blessed with uranium, and Gaba.
The Great Australian Bugger All is land ideally suited for waste fuel storage. No one goes there anyway,
What Australia needs is Plain Ordinary Nukes – loads of them – near population centers and forget the fancy stuff. Fords, not Ferraris.