Government Science Frozen by Credit Card Freeze!

Guest “DOGE, Baby, DOGE!” by David Middleton

Federal Science Hamstrung by DOGE’s Credit Card Spending Limit

The agency froze most spending above $1. Government researchers now struggle to carry out basic functions of their jobs.

By Emily Mullin and Zoë Schiffer, WIRED
03.11.2025

Last month, President Donald Trump’s administration placed a $1 spending limit on most government-issued credit cards that federal employees use to cover travel and work expenses. The impacts are already widely felt.

At the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, scientists aren’t able to order equipment used to repair ships and radars. At the Food and Drug Administration, laboratories are experiencing delays in ordering basic supplies. At the National Park Service, employees are canceling trips to oversee crucial maintenance work. And at the Department of Agriculture and the Federal Aviation Administration, employees worry that mission-critical projects could be stalled. In many cases, employees are already unable to carry out the basic functions of their job.

[…]

The credit card program allows federal workers to bypass the typical procurement process required to buy goods and services. A 2002 report from the Department of Commerce said that, “by avoiding the formal procurement process, GSA estimates the annual savings to be $1.2 billion.” It also enables federal employees to avoid paying sales tax on expenses that the government is exempt from.

[…]

The spending limits reflect Musk’s belief in zero-based budgeting. After he purchased Twitter, he slashed the budget to zero and forced employees to justify every expense. He also froze people’s corporate credit cards.

[…]

Emily Mullin is a staff writer at WIRED, covering biotechnology.

Zoë Schiffer oversees coverage of business and Silicon Valley at WIRED.

Kate Knibbs and Aarian Marshall contributed to this reporting.

UNDARK

I’ve worked in the oil & gas industry since 1981, including a six-year stint as Vice President of Exploration for Company #4, I’ve never had a corporate Mastercard, Visa, American Express or other general purpose credit card. Back in the early days of my career, companies often issued airline and rental car credit cards, specifically for corporate travel. However, for the vast majority of my career, I had to pay for my own travel expenses and then submit an expense report for reimbursement.

This bit here is simply preposterous:

The credit card program allows federal workers to bypass the typical procurement process required to buy goods and services. A 2002 report from the Department of Commerce said that, “by avoiding the formal procurement process, GSA estimates the annual savings to be $1.2 billion.” It also enables federal employees to avoid paying sales tax on expenses that the government is exempt from.

This is from the actual report:

A U.S. government purchase card is an internationally accepted credit card issued by individual
contractors and available to personnel in all federal agencies under a single General Services
Administration (GSA) contract. The purpose of Purchase Card Programs is to minimize the paperwork needed to make, with proper authorization, purchases of up to $25,000. According to GSA, in 2000, the cards were used for more than 23 million transactions worth $12.3 billion. By avoiding the formal procurement process, GSA estimates the annual savings to be $1.2 billion.

Although they provide efficiency and savings to the government, Purchase Card Programs are high-risk because they allow the same individual to order, pay for, and receive goods and services. This offers the potential for fraud and abusive and improper transactions if not carefully monitored.

[…]

A Practical Guide for Reviewing Government Purchase Card Programs

It’s a 23 year old guidebook for reviewing government credit card use. There’s no documentation to support the claimed $1.2 billion in annual savings from “by avoiding the formal procurement process.” In the private sector, it’s very easy to get fired for “avoiding the formal procurement process.” The purpose of a “formal procurement process” is to strictly adhere to budgets.

This CNBC article is from 2014:

Widespread Abuse of Government Charge Cards

Published Tue, May 6 2014

For years, the federal government has struggled to provide sufficient oversight over its government credit card program—and a string of new audits reveals that it is still an ongoing and costly problem.

The whole point of government credit cards is to streamline the federal procurement process—but without proper supervision over what is being purchased—millions of dollars are misused and abused by federal employees.

[…]

The widespread abuse even prompted Congress to pass legislation in 2012 that required federal agencies to review their purchase card programs. New guidelines issued by the Office of Management and Budget even warn that workers caught improperly charging their cards could face dismissal.

Regardless, the problem persists and auditors still say some agencies continue failing to conduct reviews, leaving more money vulnerable to waste and abuse.

[…]

Once again, the competence of government IT systems as well as the managers in charge of spending taxpayer dollars are in question.

—By Brianna Ehley of The Fiscal Times

CNBC

From 2015…

Former DEA Employee Pleads Guilty to Credit Card Fraud Scheme

Tuesday, April 14, 2015

A former Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) employee pleaded guilty today to defrauding the government out of more than $113,000 using fraudulently issued government credit cards, announced Assistant Attorney General Leslie R. Caldwell of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein of the District of Maryland and Special Agent in Charge Michael P. Tompkins of the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General in Washington, D.C. 

Keenya Meshell Banks, 42, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, pleaded guilty today before U.S. District Judge Deborah K. Chasanow of the District of Maryland to one count of wire fraud.  A sentencing hearing is scheduled for June 29, 2015.  

According to her plea agreement, Banks was employed by the DEA as a Program Manager, and was responsible for the approval and issuance of government credit cards to DEA employees.  While serving in that role, Banks admitted that she submitted dozens of fake credit card applications to JPMorgan Chase & Co. for fictitious DEA employees, using names and identifying information of individuals who did not work at the DEA.  In at least one instance, however, Banks submitted the identifying information of an actual DEA employee.  Through this scheme, Banks obtained at least 32 fraudulent credit cards, which she then used to withdraw more than $113,000 from ATMs in Maryland and Northern Virginia.  As part of her plea agreement, Banks agreed to forfeit the proceeds she received as a result of the scheme and to pay full restitution. 

The case is being investigated by the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General and is being prosecuted by Trial Attorneys Richard B. Evans and Justin Weitz of the Criminal Division’s Public Integrity Section and Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas P. Windom of the  District of Maryland.

Updated February 5, 2025

US DOJ

From 2025…

Troops used government cards to pay for casinos, online gaming and Super Bowl parties

One Air Force cardholder took out over $10,000 in cash against their government travel card on 23 trips to a casino. Still, compliance is better than a decade ago.

Matt White

Posted on Jan 27, 2025

Military service members charged at least $500,000 on gambling, drinking, nightclubs and online games to their government travel charge cards in 2023 without triggering alarms among finance officials, an inspector general report found.

The report, “Audit of the DoD Government Travel Charge Card Program: The Visa IntelliLink Compliance Management System” reviewed the effectiveness of the system, known as VICM. The investigation found holes in the watchdog program, which allowed fraud and unauthorized spending to slip past officials. Many were minor, like paying for online gaming apps or drinks on holidays or during the Super Bowl, while others kept up fraudulent charges for months. 

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Task and Purpose

While government credit card abuse and fraud are a problem, the use of the credit cards to avoid “the formal procurement process” is probably much worse.

This isn’t a coincidence:

The spending limits reflect Musk’s belief in zero-based budgeting. After he purchased Twitter, he slashed the budget to zero and forced employees to justify every expense.

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Tom Halla
March 12, 2025 2:09 pm

DOGE, thus far, looks like a vigorous audit. Making employees justify their expenses is but one element.
If one was, in fact, money laundering, they would be quite upset.

KevinM
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 12, 2025 4:34 pm

It sucks for everyone subject to it, especially the most honest. I’m for it, but it definitely sucks, and also creates the unintended consequence of creating the role Federal Spending Auditor.

Reply to  KevinM
March 12, 2025 10:55 pm

Every Government agency with which I dealt throughout my career had internal auditors looking over every expenditure.

Reply to  Tom Halla
March 12, 2025 4:51 pm

If one was, in fact, money laundering, they would be quite upset.”

You have seen the response of many Democrats, haven’t you 😉



Tom Halla
Reply to  bnice2000
March 12, 2025 8:24 pm

I somehow think Stacey Abrams is not happy.

Lark
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 13, 2025 6:09 pm

“I used my 2 billion taxpayer dollars to buy energy-saving appliances for 74 people. This was clearly necessary — not waste, fraud, or abuse — so I am suing to get the rest of my money unfrozen.”

oeman50
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 13, 2025 6:29 am

My former employer (I am retired) in recent years issued employees credit cards to their travel (and other} expenses. Each charge had to be backed up with electronic receipts or photocopies and was approved by the employee’s supervisor.

But I have seen in government agencies (like the city where I live) where some of the supervisors spend thousands of dollars on their cards for lavish trips and office redecoration.

Oh my.

Rick C
Reply to  oeman50
March 13, 2025 9:20 am

When working I had a company credit card which simply meant that the company paid the annual fee ($50). But I had to pay the bill each month and submit the documentation for reimbursement. There were times when I had to pay out of pocket to avoid interest charges due to delays in getting reimbursed. I was a pain, but relatively fraud resistant.

However, I do recall an employee responsible for ordering office/cleaning supplies using an outfit that gave buyers “free gifts” based of value of orders. I was a total scam with inflated prices and off the books deliveries of stuff like TVs and watches delivered to the employee’s home. It was only discovered when a supervisor decided to check on competitive prices from other suppliers and realized how inflated the prices were. One wonders how many scams our being perpetrated in government purchasing.

Derg
March 12, 2025 2:22 pm

I was at an event recently with 3 hard core lefty’s and one right. One leftie made a Doge joke and the other 2 glared like they were ready to throw down. Me and the other guy gave a slight chuckle.

Doge is right over the target.

Reply to  Derg
March 12, 2025 3:28 pm

It used to just be metaphorical that you were receiving flak when right over the target.

Now it is literal. People are shooting into and firebombing Tesla dealerships.

If the crazies are going to start playing domestic terrorism “games”, they should be prepared to win domestic terrorism “prizes”, i.e. long jail sentences.

KevinM
Reply to  pillageidiot
March 12, 2025 4:35 pm

Which “wing” is supposed to do that?

Reply to  KevinM
March 12, 2025 8:34 pm

Only the crazies of course.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  KevinM
March 13, 2025 8:30 am

Either/both. Domestic terrorism does not have a club membership requirement.

Reply to  pillageidiot
March 12, 2025 5:25 pm

Lead poisoning.

March 12, 2025 2:24 pm

As someone who likes to point out the obvious, this bears repeating.

The only people who are opposed to eliminating waste, fraud and abuse (corruption) in government are those that are already corrupted.

observa
Reply to  doonman
March 13, 2025 3:01 am

You reckon?
Mental health advisory board member’s bizarre pronoun stuns meeting

The committee, whose budget during the 2023-2025 biennium stood at an astounding $35.8 billion, said appointing members to the council requires a joint effort between existing members on the council.

Nothing to see here DOGE folks move along

SCInotFI
March 12, 2025 2:33 pm

So much of the “demonizing” of a variety of areas and issues will be less and less tolerated, and I’m enjoying every minute of it.

March 12, 2025 2:34 pm

The news says they cancelled over 200,000 government credit cards.

starzmom
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 12, 2025 3:24 pm

YAY!!!

March 12, 2025 2:40 pm

In the early 1970’s when I showed up for my summer job—mineral exploration in the Western US—I was given a check that I had to take to the bank (where the company banked) and convert it to travelers checks. That was my expense money and I was required to submit an expense account with receipts every month. We drove pick-up trucks (8 to 10 mpg)all over and had a lot of gas receipts. The next summer we were still on travelers checks for expenses except for gas—we were issued a gas company credit card to be used only for gas. Never crossed our mind to abuse the privilege.

Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 9:06 pm

“…on trails I wouldn’t dive my Jeep Rubicon on…”

Ah yes, the government rig, aka the crummy. Off road was no exaggeration. And the interior was beat up worse than the exterior. It’s amazing what people will do to a car they don’t have to pay for.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  rocdoctom
March 12, 2025 6:16 pm

I don’t recall that you could use gas cards for anything other than gas. Back then gas stations weren’t supermarkets with gas pumps. They just sold gas and did car repairs.

Reply to  David Middleton
March 13, 2025 9:52 am

Our service and delivery truck drivers had credit cards. When used to buy anything but gasoline, oil, and service, the driver was often fired “with cause” after a “questions asked” meeting. Abuse was very low, but does takes supervisor a few minutes to check the bill and ask questions about occasional charges that weren’t pre-cleared. And it saved our procurement people from issuing many purchase orders, cheques issued from accounting, COD emergencies for flat tires, which all cost about the same as a half a tank of gasoline to process through the system, not to mentioned time lost while drivers stand around waiting for paperwork and phone calls from head office.

Leon de Boer
Reply to  rocdoctom
March 12, 2025 10:49 pm

We have weekly emails to company employees to only put fuel on company credit cards anything brought from the fuel station store goes on your card. The problem is on credit card report it does not identify what was purchased just a total.

starzmom
Reply to  Leon de Boer
March 13, 2025 6:24 am

With the price of gas these days, no one will notice the unidentified latte tacked on there. Just made for fraud.

Bob Rogers
Reply to  Leon de Boer
March 13, 2025 7:47 am

gas is 100% deductible but food is either 50% or 0%, depending on the circumstances. (In the US)

J Boles
March 12, 2025 2:46 pm

Story tip – Tens of Thousands of Acres of Amazon Forest Cut Down, and You’ll Never Guess Why – PJ Media

excerpt – Brazil is building a brand new, four-lane, eight-mile-long highway that will make travel to the small city of Belem easier. Called “Avenida Liberdade” by the state government, it’s being touted as a “sustainable mobility project, incorporating wildlife crossings, solar lighting, and bike lanes,” according to Carbon Pulse.

Rud Istvan
March 12, 2025 2:47 pm

So the credit card program was INTENDED to avoid formal procurement processes. That guarantees fraud and abuse, plus busted budgets.
Federal science hasn’t stopped—it’s just being held accountable. So of course federal scientists are whining to Wired.
DOGE on.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 3:17 pm

Yeah. Just put ship and radar repairs on the old credit card.

starzmom
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 12, 2025 3:26 pm

I wonder how far $25,000 goes when one is repairing ships.

Leon de Boer
Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 10:51 pm

Your employees would fast drain as much as they could 🙂

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 13, 2025 10:48 am

Like having a hydraulic hose replaced? The Purchase Order (PO) might cost $100, and the hose $50. And the vendor might balk at the PO. A box of RTV or specialty grease. Maybe its replace the winch cable for the small equipment winch. Maybe a $20 wrench was lost to the deep. You’re saying create a PO which costs over $100 to process, takes an hour from your employee’s time (another $200), NOW the $20 wrench costs $320.

Reply to  Lil-Mike
March 13, 2025 12:15 pm

The Purchase Order (PO) might cost $100

Why?

And the vendor might balk at the PO.

Why? I have yet to encounter a vendor who has a problem with a PO

This sounds like the standard procedure for almost every place I’ve worked. If I need a new mouse, I request one from IT (who follows their internal process which probably involved POs). If I don’t want to do that I can buy my own – with my own money. I can submit for reimbursement, which may or may not be approved. But I don’t get to just put it on the company credit card.

It’s about accountability.

Reply to  Tony_G
March 13, 2025 1:37 pm

A PO has to be touched by many hands, hands that sit at desks that cost a lot of money.

Something like NOAA is likely to be doing krazy stuff like servicing and upgrading remote equipment. That can run into renting ATVs or snow machines from small businesses that may not be set up to deal with POs.

Crews on research vessels may come into port and need to replace tools, ratchet straps, tag lines, whatever.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Lil-Mike
March 14, 2025 7:40 am

Your argument is completely ridiculous. POs can be and are written for large numbers of small purchases. The company gets a good price from the supplier and there is an accounting trail for the purchase and delivery of goods. You can’t use the PO number at the casino.

Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 3:30 pm

Not being able to do ship repairs is unfathomable?

ISWYDT.

Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 4:56 pm

Sort of allows things to become a money sink… they are out of their depth.

oeman50
Reply to  pillageidiot
March 13, 2025 6:34 am

I see what you did, there.

KevinM
Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 4:38 pm

Not everybody missed the wordplay

Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 5:32 pm

Never knew that NOAA scientists were that multiskilled … “when you’ve finished with the nuclear mass spectrometer, Mike, just nip down to the engine room and fix the #2 diesel generator. Take the credit card with you just in case you need to order replacement parts!”

Leon de Boer
Reply to  Streetcred
March 12, 2025 10:53 pm

Along with some beers and pizza from the gas store to tide you over and the boss will think it’s fuel.

Reply to  Streetcred
March 13, 2025 8:17 am

Sorry to be pedantic, but you have mixed up two different forms of analytical technique: mass spectrometry and nuclear magnetic spectrometry.

Leon de Boer
Reply to  David Middleton
March 12, 2025 10:50 pm

Yeah true what the US government couldn’t get an account with the supplier?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Leon de Boer
March 13, 2025 8:38 am

Point well made.

Reply to  Leon de Boer
March 13, 2025 10:52 am

If you need to replace a computer mouse or monitor do you go with Dell, or Amazon? Dell will sell you a mouse for about $100, and it costs the government another hundred to process the purchase order. Amazon delivers for about $14.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  David Middleton
March 13, 2025 8:36 am

Credit cards are faster, of course.
Submitting a requisition and getting a purchase order requires how many signatures?
Of course that does not stop waste and abuse, but at least it creates the opportunity for review.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
March 13, 2025 10:53 am

Not only the time, but the cost. Purchase Orders cost well over $100.

Reply to  David Middleton
March 13, 2025 10:40 am

It boggles your mind because you have no experience in the scientific realm.

When I was testing clocks for USB (10 GHz) we needed to buy software licenses from Key Sight (nee Agilent, nee Hewlett Packard). We needed to rebuy these licenses every year. Since we had a fleet of these scopes—all purchased at different times—the license timing was random. It was much easier to pay online with the credit card, and we could get back to testing today; going through the Purchase Order (PO) process may take a week. A PO costs several hundred dollars to process; whereas a credit card justification is just through your boss. There’s a million little bits-n-bobs that need to be purchased, Giga Hertz coax, specialty tools or parts that would cost hundreds of thousands per year to keep in stock, but can be had online for a reasonable cost, in a reasonable amount of time.

If your computer mouse poops-out, you just go online and order another one, delivered in two days, paid with a credit card. Its the same with government; for this they need credit cards. A PO would cost over $100 to process, for a $15 computer mouse.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Lil-Mike
March 14, 2025 7:45 am

You sound like you’ve never had a job where cost mattered, just government jobs where the taxpayer pays for waste and fraud. Smart buyers have POs for almost everything, even if they get small deliveries every day. For unforeseen needs, there is always petty cash.

Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 14, 2025 2:58 pm

For unforeseen needs, there is always petty cash.

Which, in most cases, is also carefully monitored and requires receipts and justification – i.e. accountability.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 13, 2025 10:26 am

You have to realize a purchase order costs several hundred dollars to process. You might need some $5 tool you can buy on Amazon, and a credit card is the most efficient method. I once needed a 4mm Allen nut driver. I just went on Sears website and ordered ten of them—for the entire shop—it cost under $30 delivered.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Lil-Mike
March 14, 2025 7:47 am

If you don’t have a PO with a tool supplier than your organization is stupid and inefficient. If it is a government organization then DOGE will have a field day.

starzmom
March 12, 2025 3:24 pm

Knowing something about how the federal procurement system works (or doesn’t as the case may be), I can appreciate the desire to circumvent it. However, the answer to the problem is to fix the inefficient and broken procurement system, not to give people credit cards with little oversight to bypass the system.

atticman
Reply to  starzmom
March 12, 2025 3:32 pm

Indeed! A person with a government credit card is a pig with its snout in the trough, even if they weren’t before they had the card. Taxpayers beware!

Rud Istvan
Reply to  starzmom
March 12, 2025 3:57 pm

Yes. And they haven’t and apparently cannot.
FAA ATC system is over 30 years old, and three separate upgrade attempts costing billions have failed.
I use TurboTax, easy in line filing for over a decade. Yet IRS still doesn’t have a general on line filing system. Heck hire Intuit and it’s done by next year. DOGE out the entire IRS IT department.

starzmom
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 13, 2025 6:18 am

The problems are apparently much below that as well–like down at the contract writing level. If you can’t get the government to write the necessary contract for the necessary approved work to be done, it doesn’t get done. it is not much consolation when the consequence is sending out a ship or submarine without really necessary repairs having been made to the life support system. It seems that 40% of the US Navy fleet is not fit for duty.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  starzmom
March 13, 2025 8:39 am

Send an email listing 5 things you accomplished last week.

starzmom
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
March 13, 2025 10:20 am

Why? I don’t work for the federal government.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  starzmom
March 14, 2025 6:15 am

It was not intended to be addresses to you personally. The point being the employees were asked and if they were doing contract work that would be on their list of 5.

March 12, 2025 4:25 pm

Issuing credit to speed up procurement sounds like a good idea on the surface.
Dig (DOGE?) a bit deeper and it becomes a quick way to steal a buck from the taxpayers.
DOGE the credit card receipts!
Who bought what and for what?

Reply to  Gunga Din
March 13, 2025 5:41 am

The Purchase Card system where I worked under the DoD was well regulated.

  1. Funds must be available for that project.
  2. As part of the approval process, the amount of the purchase is held and cannot be spent on anything else.
  3. The Purchasing Agent (CC holder) was always different from the one submitting the purchase request. Justification for the purchase must be included as part of the purchase order.
  4. In general, purchase orders must be less than $5,000. In research, most technical items are very expensive and a $5,000 purchase limit is easily reached.
  5. The equipment and supplies are justified by the researcher because he/she is the only one with the knowledge and expertise to know what is required for the project.
  6. Project needs change with time during a project. So, being able to make quick purchases are required for the project to remain on schedule.
  7. Research is research. If one knew the answer ahead of time then it would not be research.
  8. Prior to Purchase Cards, using the regular contract purchase system, it would take months to get purchases. Sometimes the contract purchase agent would purchase something different than that specified by the researcher because it was cheaper. However, that item would not exactly fit the specifications or communicate with the existing equipment.
  9. There is nothing like burning salary and not being able to work in a project. The project clock was always ticking.
  10. As a researcher, I was never able to report that I could not complete my project because I could not purchase the equipment and supplies required in a timely manner. It was always my fault that the project was not competed on schedule.

With any system there will always be abuse. People will always find a way to steal. But many times these are caught and punished.

Time is money. My salary was almost always paid out of a project. I did my best to protect the project funding and prevent theft.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  George B
March 13, 2025 8:46 am

I was working a project and needed a few hundred dollars of connectors.
I filled out the purchase request and got it approved.
I hand carried it to what was then called the buyer.
It was put on the bottom of the stack (first in first out system) and I was told it might take a day, possibly 2.
I visited the buyer daily for a week. Each time I was told a day or 2. The stack was not all that thick.
After a week, I went to the supervisor. A couple days later I went to the manager. A couple days later I went to the VP and explained that this was costing time and schedule and we would not be able to deliver on time without the parts.
The next morning when I visited the buyer I was informed the purchase order had been sent.
Got the connectors, finished the program, and delivered on time.

I can understand the use of credit cards. Here we have a maximum. We can order parts directly with no questions asked, but only parts and related materials and with a reasonable low cap.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
March 14, 2025 7:53 am

Unless you have a large number of potential suppliers with very different prices, POs for parts and services from a subset of suppliers makes sense. The large companies I worked for all had POs based on negotiations on price and delivery time which could be used to procure needed supplies.

KevinM
March 12, 2025 4:31 pm

I’ve worked in … industry since 1981, … never had a … general purpose credit card. … for the vast majority of my career, I had to pay for my own travel expenses and then submit an expense report for reimbursement.

Yup. I’ve never been that high in the chain but I’ve travelled all over earth in the 1990’s.

This is another difference between private industry and public spending that mid/high public employees are learning. Not as big a disconnect as retirement plans, but a big disconnect still.

The story has always been private industry = income and public employment = benefits. Public employment has tried to “make it fair” by evening out income without looking at benefits. My generation of retirement are on track to see what that does to USA social security.

Reply to  KevinM
March 12, 2025 5:05 pm

When I was doing research, only the boss had a “limited” credit card, linked to his expenses account… and he had to justify every cent that he put on it.

Yes, handy for business lunches, accommodation etc, and we once had to purchase a new laptop will out of state…

… but all had to be accounted for when we got back..

… anything not deemed as “business” had to be paid back within a month.

Bob
March 12, 2025 5:47 pm

My, my, my, who could have predicted that?

March 12, 2025 7:06 pm

I traveled a lot on business for my company. I was required to justify every dollar spent.

Reply to  MIke McHenry
March 12, 2025 10:02 pm

But these are Federal employees using taxpayer money..

It appears that, until Trump and DOGE, NONE of it needed to be accounted for. !!

Leon de Boer
Reply to  MIke McHenry
March 12, 2025 10:55 pm

Wonder if anyone got there house extensions and patios done you could just clock that up at the local hardware store. Timber, electronic cable etc sure a good story could be made.

heme212
March 12, 2025 8:16 pm

so what you’re saying is “you’ve got 3.8 years to do your kitchen remodel with a gas stove” and “kill all lobsters?”

akirk256
March 12, 2025 11:13 pm

Who let the DOGE out? TRUMP – TRUMP – TRUMP – TRUMP, TRUMP!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  David Middleton
March 13, 2025 8:47 am

Steel? Beware the Trump tariffs on aluminum and steel.

observa
March 13, 2025 12:57 am

She said it was an important area to keep researching, with rubble areas increasing due to climate change.
Scientists observe crabs eating juvenile crown-of-thorns starfish

There’s always more credit card required whatever the news with the climate changers.

March 13, 2025 1:07 am

People can easily “meet online” with today’s communication possibilities, which are also extensively used to save money. A lot of administrative trips are no longer necessary or justifiable.

Reply to  David Middleton
March 13, 2025 8:39 am

Another geo here. You are right. In the company(s) I worked for we recognized that meetings were the place you went to get no work done.

observa
March 13, 2025 1:53 am

It’s every citizen’s fundamental right to put their hand out for whatever pork is going around but that still doesn’t mean you think it’s a sensible idea-
How the government’s lofty net zero EV target is helping make us broke

March 13, 2025 8:05 am

Last corporate employer I had issued credit cards to employees, but expense reports had to be submitted and approved before the bill was due. Travel arrangements (airfare, hotel) had to be made through the company portal and it would only allow the lowest cost flights and stays at approved hotels. There was also a per diem limit on meals. Any charges other than permitted expenses were your personal responsibility. Travel expenses had to be charged to an approved project.

P-cards do make sense for relatively small expenses to minor vendors where processing a PO was unnecessary overhead. For example we charged our ARIN registration fees to a P-card and submitted an expense report.

Any system can be abused, but with controls common in the private sector flagrant abuses are rare.

March 13, 2025 9:33 am

In the 1970’s I flew in P-3’s hunting Russian subs. We often had a special red bag with us in case we needed to land somewhere other than home. The bag contained a credit card to use for fuel for the plane, lodging and food if necessary. Credit cards aren’t new but the proliferation is.

March 13, 2025 10:15 am

I disagree with your premise.

Back when I was nah-but a lad, in high school, I had an internship at the local Army Depot as a bicycle messenger. Back in the Hollerith card days, computer work for the government required bicycle messengers … ah that’s government efficiency for ya.

My very first day, this lady Connie—whose desk sat next to the messenger crew desk—had a broken 8″ off-brand Crescent™ wrench. Being motor-head adjacent, I knew an off-brand Crescent™ wrench could be found on the local market for about $3. Sears had actual Crescent wrenches for $9, and would replace it if broken. And for $20 Snap-On would deliver their name brand adjustable wrench to you, come back, apologize, and replace it if you broke it.

I explained my brilliant knowledge to Connie, who replied: “Young man, this is the US government. We will do no such thing however efficient it may be. We will pay over $75 to replace this wrench, and you’ll be off in college—nine months later—before the replacement arrives.” Which is what happened.

When you work in scientific endeavors, you need a credit card for the odd bit-n-bobs to get your equipment running, keep it running, and provide for the odd specialty tools and expendables mostly unforeseen. Many years after the Army Depot gig, I’m a tech for INTC working in a shop. Where we have a need for a bunch of 4mm hex nut drivers. With my credit card, I can just go to Sears web page and buy ten of them for $2.80 each. They get delivered for less than the cost of the purchase order. Likewise KeySight (nee Agilent, nee HP) oscilloscopes need licensing if you want to run at 10GHz—USB speeds—this is license is easily paid for with a credit card.

People doing actual work have to rent cars, rent equipment, do all manner of krazy unforeseen stuff, and a credit card is the most efficient method.

Granted there were issues, more government credit cards than employees …

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Reply to  Lil-Mike
March 14, 2025 6:19 am

The problem is not when it is done correctly. The problem is the excessive number of times (and dollars) it is done incorrectly.

A lot of people think that if the speed (80 in a 65 zone) and do not get caught, they have not broken the law.