Essay by Eric Worrall
Dr. Will Happer served in President Trump’s first administration. Happer once told Al Gore to his face “What you’ve said is absolutely incorrect”.
Climate Misinformation by Source: William Happer – a big list of alarmist complaints about Dr. Will Happer.
Retired physicist leading new Trump effort to question climate threat to security
President Donald Trump’s administration found a way to formally question climate science after almost 2 years of false starts.
William Happer, a prominent opponent of climate science in the Trump administration, is heading a new White House effort to downplay the national security risks posed by climate change. It resembles the “red team” approach promoted by scandal-plagued former Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt.
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Read more: https://www.science.org/content/article/retired-physicist-leading-new-trump-effort-question-climate-threat-security
Meet The White House’s New Chief Climate Change Skeptic – … The four Democrats called it “deeply concerning that Dr. Happer appears to be spearheading” that effort. [to challenge climate alarmism]
William Happer: Trump aide pushing climate denial inside the White House – Happer, now 79, remembers standing from his seat in the back of a meeting and telling Gore, ‘What you’ve said is absolutely incorrect,’ according to Caleb Rossiter, who Happer helped recruit to run an organization he founded that questions climate science.
Will Happer in action.
There is an old saying from WW2, when you are taking flack, you know you are over the target.
Who else would like to see Dr. Will Happer once again in a position to jolt academia out of its comfort zone? I hear there are still a few positions vacant in the Trump administration.
👍 Well Said 👍
Happer is a straight talker. Which is always welcome except to those who are trying to bullshit us.
Off topic – Today EPA formally requested a Congressional review of the former EPA’s grant of a waiver to CA – and the other 13 blue states that adopt CA air pollution regs – to ban all internal combustion vehicles by 2035.
This is fantastic news. Under the Congressional Review Act it only takes a simple majority vote to kill any administrative action, dismissing it with prejudice (meaning another administration cannot reinstate the rule).
The GOP Congress will certainly pass the resolution and of course President Trump will sign the resolution.
The next best thing Congress can do is, as part of this year’s budget reconciliation, amend the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 to eliminate the power of EPA to grant waivers to states allowing them to impose more restrictive air pollution rules than adopted by the Federal government. Who knows, maybe the Resistance in CA may yet overcome their leftist overlords in Sacramento!
And it has a cascading effect. Virginia passed a law requiring the state to follow the vehicle requirements of California. If they go away, then the follow on in Virginia should too.
I think, at this point, it would be better for Dr. Happer to serve as an expert witness in the Senate and the House.
Here is a sample question, “Sir, you have been quoted to say, “Nobody knows how much of the warming observed over the past 50 years is due to CO2.” Do you stand by that statement? If so, on what grounds is that so clear to you?”
Take it from there.
(Here at WUWT a few weeks ago, I believe originating from a few years back.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/01/24/how-to-think-about-climate-change/
Maybe Clauser would be better as an ongoing advisor.
I like Clauser’s handle on the uncertainty problem in the claimed EEI values, and also about the overwhelming impact of cloud variation on reflected shortwave. Not sure about being able to put his points across clearly, though, to interviewers, etc. in real time. Advisor, yes.
The only reason the IPCC has made CO2 into its miracle mascot, is to tie it to fossil fuels which Europe does not have enough of.
The inane Euro elites went hog wild for wind and solar, but at about 30% W/S on the grid, costs increase exponentially, and operational difficulties become increasingly more challenging and expensive to counteract, as proven by the UK and Germany, already for at least 5 years in the UK and 10 years in Germany
Both have “achieved” near-zero growth GDP, very high electricity prices, stagnant real wages, and angry native populations, that are further burdened by the Euro elites bringing in tens of millions of uninvited poor, uneducated, inexperienced folks from all over, a chaotic burden the native populations never voted for.
After spending all that money, uglifying the countryside, etc., the Euro elites are richer, but the climate is not any different than 30 years ago.
Here in New England, we are freezing our butts off. Snow everywhere.
When will Europe finally admit, CO2 is a good gas, absolutely needed to grow more flora and fauna, and increase crop yields to feed hungry people?
The Euro elites are using Orwellian measures, such as censorship, misinformation labeling, throwing out elections if they do not like the results, freezing out political parties, etc., to cow/control their populations, similar to what the federally-subsidized, US Corporate Media are still doing.
“Both have “achieved”
near-Net-Zero growth GDP…”Sooner than promised! Next stop is De-Growth.
Germany, the UK, France, etc., are in chaotic de-growth mode.
They love their tens of millions of unvetted walks-ins, who make minimal contributions, cause maximum pain, crime and chaos, while sucking from the government tit.
Spending more on defense and green stuff, are accelerating de-growth
Europe also cleaned up air pollution, with more sunshine and milder winters as consequence, for which co2 is “blamed”.
By the woke elites, pre-maturely closing, already-paid-for, in good-working-order nuclear plants?
Europe would have enough fossil fuel, if it wouldn’t have banned the fracking technology and new exploration projets in it’s Green/climate crusade.
A decision made by the woke elites
‘…have “achieved” near-zero growth GDP, very high electricity prices, stagnant real wages, and angry native populations…’
As you say, this goes for New England, too. The problem, at least in CT, is that the ‘angry native population’ reliably votes for the Left.
No.
The problem is the very important results of DOGE are not reported by the lapdog, USAID-subsidized, Corporate Media, but the criticisms of DOGE are.
And so the people in New England are permanently kept in the dark, already for at least 5 decades, or more.
The Social Media, gaining eyeballs, are quickly ending the Corporate Media monopoly, losing eyeballs
We don’t know how much warming has been due to increasing CO2 because the radiative imbalance it causes is smaller than our knowledge of natural energy flows in the climate system. AFAIK, I’m the only one making that point, which I assume means no one knows what I’m talking about. :-/
Thank you for this reply. “…the radiative imbalance it causes is smaller than our knowledge of natural energy flows in the climate system.” Agreed, in so far that the static radiative imbalance computed from confirmed IR properties is accepted as a climate “forcing.” AFAIK, there are only a few who make the point that the dynamics of the general circulation show that this “forcing” paradigm about CO2, CH4, N2O, etc. should not be taken as a given. The “radiative imbalance it causes” could be effectively zero. It cannot be isolated for reliable attribution in any case. That is why I made this time-lapse video of plots about energy conversion, which I shared with you a short while back on another WUWT thread.
https://youtu.be/hDurP-4gVrY
Happer has an opinion about CO2 and there is no reason to believe he is right, or even close to being right. We need people in government with the right answer, which Happer does not have:
“We do not know the long term effects of CO2 emissions ,… but after the first 50 years, we know the effect is NOT harmful”
We don’t need more scientists with different opinion about CO2.
We only need to work on the important issues: Accurate measurements of global average cloud effects and global average absolute humidity. Happer can not help with those
Clapper’s also too old
The effect of CO2 in a lab is known and small
The BIG TMIN variable is the water vapor feedback
And clouds certainly have far more effect on TMAX than greenhouse gases, which mainly affect TMIN
Happer’s latest guess about the ECS of CO2 is 0.7, which matches the lab spectroscopy of CO2. That implies there are no net feedbacks. Could be right. I doubt it.
The data for global average absolute humidity is too inaccurate to calculate a water vapor positive feedback. to a warmer troposphere.
Without that knowledge there is no reason to assume any feedback, or anything more than a modest feedback. Unless you want to scare people!
The IPCC assumes a large to very large positive feedback, based on the Clausius–Clapeyron relation with no evidence of a large positive feedback
Happer is also guessing with what appears to be no net feedbacks. There is weak evidence he is wrong but the global average absolute humidity data are not very accurate.
Bottom Line:
If the first +100 ppm of added manmade CO2 was good news for climate change and plant growth, then why would the next +100 ppm addition of CO2 suddenly be bad news?
That’s a tipping point theory and tipping points are claptrap.
Stop whining.
The planet does not work on static radiative calculations alone.
The atmosphere is not a lab jar !
David Dibbell has shown very strong evidence that any tiny thermalisation from trace CO2 is totally swamped by atmospheric air movement.
Shula and several others have come to the science based conclusion that ECS of doubling is effectively ZERO.
Andy May has often stated the reality that “warming by atmospheric CO2 has never been observed or measured anywhere on the planet”.
Even with the satellite temperature data, no-one has been able to isolate any CO2 warming in the last 45 years.
Bingo!
My comments say something
Your comment says nothing
Liar.
“Stop whining”
was your entire “nothing” comment.
Stop whining.
What do your comments say ?
I can’t find anything, please Help 😀
Your comments say a lot about you!
“The effect of CO2 in a lab is known and small”
The “effect” of adding CO2 to air in a lab is certainly known. Not just “small” – nothing at all!
Do you have any experimental results that show otherwise? Of course not. Just more unsupported assertions.
Use HITRAN or MODTRAN as Happer and Lindzen do.
Stop whining
What do HITRAN or MODTRAN ‘say’ about the complete near-surface thermalization of excited GHG molecules by collisions with non-GHG molecules, resulting in a predominantly convective troposphere?
But you said that Happer is wrong. Which is it? Does it depend on the hour of the day, or whether or not it supports your most recent opinion?
Note that that air in the lab does not have any water vapor – humidity is 0.00. That’s the “Standard Atmosphere”. Totally unlike the real atmosphere. Got to get your experimental conditions right.
No convection, no air movement.
A TOTALLY UNREALISTIC representation of the atmosphere.
The radiative effect of water vapor is another lab spectroscopy measurement
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Also in the HITRAN and MOTRAN databases.
Simulations ca be done with various assumptions about how much absolute humidity will increase as the troposphere warms. This can be done at the websites. Maybe not by you.
There has been an uneven increase of absolute humidity from 1980 to 2020 as the troposphere warmed, suggesting there is a water vapor positive feedback of an unknown amount.
There is no positive water vapor feedback. 71% of the earth’s surface is covered with water and it does not need any help from carbon dioxide.
Sunlight heats the water and convection carries the water vapor into the atmosphere. Moreover the wind is a major force that sweeps water from surfaces of bodies of water into atmosphere.
Turn the TV weather channel and watch how the wind moves around large amounts of water.
HITRAN and MOTRAN are radiative calculators for a static atmosphere.
So they do calculation on something that doesn’t actually exist.
They do not take into account that radiative effects within the atmosphere are swamped energy transfer by air-movement etc.
Nothing looking at radiation from the earth to space, including UAH, can calculate path loss through the atmosphere unless they can simultaneously measure all the factors that contribute to that path loss, e.g. the volume of radiation absorbing and thermalizing molecules along the path. Without that knowledge of path loss any measurement of radiation will have a huge uncertainty as to what is actually going on in the atmosphere. Meaning any calculation will inherit that measurement uncertainty making it nothing more than a guess, an educated guess perhaps but still just a guess. That measurement uncertainty should be given along with the calculations. I’ve never read where HITRAN, MOTRAN, or even UAH list out measurement uncertainty due to path loss influences.
At their cores, the AFGL transmittance models are a bunch of lookup tables of gas absorption coefficients, without uncertainty intervals.
MODTRAN was developed as a tool to convert Landsat multispectral sensor digital number (DN) readouts to an approximation of actual radiance after scattering and absorption. There was never an attempt to make it useful with clouds because the Landsat targets were land and shorelines. The assumptions for the model of a ‘standard atmosphere’ were to optimize the DN-to-radiance conversion for conditions under which relatively cloud-free viewing conditions dominated. Like the temperature measurements, it wasn’t intended as a universal tool for climatology. Therefore, it has its limitations. Any skilled craftsman should know the limitations of his tools. I question whether Greene is qualified to understand the limitations.
Clouds are not the only factor that isn’t measured. Humidity, i.e. water vapor in the air, is also a factor in path loss. We always had to consider this when designing microwave links for telephone systems. Even wind and resulting dust in the air can impact path loss. Of course all we had to worry about was the ability to estimate worst case path loss, we weren’t trying to create a measurement protocol useful for estimating temperature or total radiation from the biosphere.
“Suggesting” is a far lower standard than “proving.”
“Clapper’s also too old”
I think that you just produced justification for being censored for discrimination if we were into such. Just happened to be talking to someone about her pilot father who bought two planes when he was 80 and I’m even older than that. Choosed my ancestors wisely! If you want to be read off with the ad hominems as I used to teach students.
I’m sure that Greene managed to insult many of the readers here.
Mr. Greene: Ever notice how, when a person is far, far out of his or her depth, the person is quite clueless about it?
You would be Exhibit A
100%. Only a fool like Greene can so confident he knows the answers to everything. The wise man would be first to admit he doesn’t. Really quite sad.
Are you calling Happer a Nazi too?
Richard, how would you know the right answer if you saw it?
Read your comments and assume the opposite is true?
Vainglorious. Yes, a new word for me too!
Mr. Greene: And how’s that working out?
Richard,
You would not know the right answer even if it was your own personal Lemmiwinks.
You need to put the porn back on your website, and go entertain yourself.
Harold the Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: RG
On Jan 24, I sent an email to Prof. Happer, instructed him to go to
http://www.John-Daly.com, and obtain the chart (See below) for the plots of temperature at the Furnace Creek weather station in Death Valley from 1922 to 2001. The chart is empirical temperature data that shows CO2 does not cause warming of air and confirms his theoretical calculation that CO2 causes little warming of air.
In 1922 the concentration of CO2 in air at Death Valley was ca 300 ppmv (0.59 g of CO2/cu. m.) and by 2001, it had increased to ca. 370 ppmv
(0.73 g/cu. m.), but there was no corresponding increase in the air temperature at this remote desert. The reason there was no increase in temperature of the arid is quite simple: There just too little CO2in the air.
With this chart and the charts from many other weather stations, he and I now know with certainly that CO2 does cause any global warming. Moreover there is no need to phase out fossil fuels, cars and light trucks with ICE’s and to reduce the emission of CO2 from all sources.
Finally, Prof Happer said this to me: “John Daly’s death was a great loss for honest science”
NB1: If you click on the chart, it will expand and become clear. To return it to its original small size, click on the “x” in lower right hand corner. This will return you to text of the comment.
NB2: At the late John Daly website, from home page scroll down to the end and click on “Station Temperature Data”. On the “World Map”, click on country or region to obtain the charts of temperature for the weather stations located there. Be sure to check the temperature charts for the weather stations in Oz, especially the chart for Adelaide, which shows a cooling since 1857 to 1999.
Categorizing Happer’s estimate of 0.75C ECS based on W&H’s Schawarzchild calculation is disinformation as is saying that he is implying no feedback when he states it is for the feedback free case. Add clouds and it drops lower.
Edit: … calculation as a guess is disinformation ….
Greene has an opinion about pretty much every post and there is no reason to believe he is right, or even close to being right.
He’s very impressed with himself.
A few days ago, here on WUWT, we saw a calculation (Howard Hayden) that added 0.16°C to every 1°C temperature increase, based on 7% more water vapor at such an increase. Happer’s 0.7°C would then increase to about 0.8°C.
The thing about the Clausius-Clapeyron relationship is that it predicts the upper-bound increase — the potential not the actual. The water vapor tends to precipitate after a few days, and if the air mass is in the interior of the continent with minimal evapotranspiration, there won’t be sufficient water vapor to reach that upper-bound.
Why the downvotes? Is it a case of Pro Trump cancellation instead of pro woke cancellation\?
Its still cancellation …
This post appears to be substantially correct. The wotsit in the woodpile is the feedback. And whether or not the final change will be beneficial.
We live in a converging system.
“We need people in government with the right answer, which Happer does not have”
Well, then good thing we have Richard Green who does have all the answers. /s
Most humble of you to express your certainty that Happer is wrong because you disagree with him. One seldom finds that level of hubris outside of mainstream religions.
Interesting spelling:flack is a press agent, flak is German acronym for Anti Aircraft Artillery. The sentence works either way.
The term loses something in the translation:
“Flugzeugabwehrkanone” translates to “aircraft defense cannon”
Good gosh! 🙂
Dr. Happer is the most intelligent climate scientist in existence. Period.
I would modify your statement. Dr. Happer (Princeton emeritus) is the preeminent atmospheric GHE physicist. Dr.Lindzen (MIT emeritus) is the preeminent atmospheric GHG meteorologist. And Dr. Curry (Georgia Tech emeritus) is the preeminent (GHE/GHG) Arctic climatologist.
Funny ‘climate science’ thing. NONE think ‘climate science’ is legitimate.
Yes, the Climate Alarmists should listen to the experts!
Unfortunately, intelligence is no guarantee that the possessor’s opinions are correct.
Intelligence is no protection against gullibility, hubris, or just common everyday madness.
Phlogiston, luminiferous ether, and the Greenhouse Effect were all accepted by very intelligent people.
Ah, reminiscence of ‘scientific paradigms’ in Kuhn’s seminal book ‘The structure of scientific revolutions ’. Much influenced me.
Unfortunately, climate change is better classified as a new chapter of Extraordinary popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, MacKay, 1841.
Yes, one can be intelligent and dead wrong at the same time. We have countless examples.
Why?
And on what standards
do you base that conclusion on?
Stop whining
He is primarily a Modern Physics specialist, who published hundreds of scientific papers and was head of the Princeton Physics Department.
Einstein, etc., spent several decades there.
“Happer, now 79,”
He’s actually 85.
Are you all tucked up in bed this summer morning Nick with your flannel pyjamas on as you shiver through the latest bout of global warming in your area?
Victorians were caught off guard over the weekend after the state recorded its coldest February morning since 1993
It’s currently 18.6C (65.5F)
From 5C to 18.6C in just a few hours.
Now THAT’S a climate that’s demonstrating a proper commitment to doing its bit for the AGW conjecture 🙂 🙂
I can see a special mention and maybe even a certificate coming up for Moyhu at CoP 30 next November in Brazil.
(I hear there are going to be a lot of unsold tickets though 🙁 )
The cold morning in Melbourne was Sunday, over 48 hours ago, and it was 9.9C. Coldest ever was 4.5C in 1924. Lovely sunny day now, like yesterday.
I read that Sunday was the coldest Feb summer day in Vic since 1993.
So that’s over 30 years ago.
A whole climate period ago.
Is this new climate period setting the scene for coldest evah mornings in Vic now?
“Coldest ever was 4.5C in 1924”
coldest ever Feb day
Didn’t I say Feb day?
I wanted to clarify what I said.
Do not confuse Mr. with data
he is already too confused.
Yes, yes I do get confused Richard.
Mainly by your self-contradictory comments here.
(and I don’t think I’m alone . . . )
No, you aren’t alone. His opinions lack consistency and seem to change with the day of the week.
Give it 5 minutes. You’ll get a southerly and a shower 🙂
And so it came to pass 🙁
You wouldn’t bet against it, would you?
>>> I can see a special mention and maybe even a certificate coming up for Moyhu at CoP 30 next November in Brazil. <<<
I think he could be having to do a presentation because the top emitter (China) has exemption, Second highest USA won’t be there, 3rd highest (India) has exemption and 4th highest (Russia) doesn’t care. That is 57.3% of world emissions basically will do nothing at COP30.
If you lump all of the EU together they are 6.1% of world emissions and if they went to net zero tomorrow it won’t change a thing.
The absurdity of the whole AGW “stop climate change” shitshow is there for the world to see.
Bit there are none so blind . . .
“If you lump all of the EU together they are 6.1% of world emissions and if they went to net zero tomorrow it won’t change a thing.”
The EU Elites don’t seem to be able to understand this concept.
That’s why the EU is in the sad shape it is in.
It’s time for EU voters to change the direction of their nations by electing smart, reality-based leaders this next time around.
Hang on,
“Moyhu Primary School is committed to providing a safe, supportive and inclusive learning environment for all students, staff and members of our community. Our school recognises the importance of the partnership between our school and parents and carers to support student learning, engagement and wellbeing”, said the wokerati …
While the kids are pawns in the overall scheme of things, they pay ‘consultants’ and ‘communicators’ enormous amounts of dosh to write this crap (https://www.moyhups.vic.edu.au/).
Just thinking how decadent and bland the broken state of Victoria has become .. As the tinny-voice in the lift says “going down“….
What say you Nick Stokes?
Cheers,
Bill Johnston
It’s okay the Vic government has not learnt the lesson from Queensland and is going to end up in their supreme court. The current labor government is seeking to limit building on coastal properties much like Queensland tried. They can only hope they have stacked the Vic Supreme Court with enough lefty judges to uphold the law because you can’t win such a ban on merit.
I believe you are right. We should not wish upon Dr. Happer another appointment but rather profusely thank him for his courageous service and invite his Congressional testimony as required.
Born July 27, 1939
(age 85 years, 7 months),
Vellore, India
FAR Too old for a full time job
Also, in the recent Happer 2021 lecture published here, he closed with the completely false statement that climate models reflected 2x to 3x the warming rate as reality. A lie. The average climate model when used with actual CO2 growth since 1975 was very accurate for predicting the claimed surface global warming (+0.2 per decade predicted vs. +0.2 per decade actual).
NOT 2x to 3x higher.
Ending his decent slide presentation with that 2x to 3 lie was like Happer throwing his pitch in the Crapper!
Re “… he [Happer] closed with the completely false statement that climate models reflected 2x to 3x the warming rate as reality… Ending his decent slide presentation with that 2x to 3 lie …”
Please take the trouble first to read the published transcript — and checking the narrative against the graphical illustrations. (Not just the brief concluding remarks.) Then come back & tell us where he (Happer) has gone wrong.
This (below) is taken verbatim from the core of the report:
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“So, we know what the temperature of the atmosphere has been from these really good balloon records. The warming observed from balloons is about a third of the warming that has been predicted by models. [furthermore:] Nobody knows how much of the warming observed over the past 50 years is due to CO2. There is good reason to that think much of it, perhaps most of it, would be there even without an increase in CO2, because we are coming out of the Little Ice Age. We have been coming out of that since the early 1800s, before which the weather was much colder than now. The green curve is measurements from satellites, very much like the measurements of a temporal scanning thermometer. You can look down from a satellite and measure the temperature of the atmosphere. The satellites and balloons agree with each other, and they do not agree with the computer models. This is very nice work by John Christie at the University of Alabama-Huntsville.”
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Source:
“How to Think about Climate Change”
By WILLIAM HAPPER
Publication Date March 11, 2021
“The satellites and balloons agree with each other, and they do not agree with the computer models.”
And they do not agree with NOAA and NASA’s surface temperature data, either. Both computer models and the surface temperature data are wrong, and running too hot.
I am disappointed. The articles you lined above are 6 years old.
From when Happer was working for the last Trump administration.
I nominate Anthony Watts.
Three observations.
a. Brought up a pure case directly challenging 1935 Humphry’s Estate on presidential firing power. The precedential ‘stare decisis’ reversal result flows directly from the Dobb’s rationale overturning Roe v Wade, last year’s novel presidential immunity ruling, and the ‘easy’ CFPB director ruling two years ago.
b. Brought up multiple additional cases questioning district court national PI rulings, which Thomas and Gorsuch have already signaled are unconstitutional. A black and white case was already pending on the SCOTUS docket for this term. Desperation to bring so many more.
c. Brought multiple cases bringing the 1974 Impoundment Control Act into question (President’s ability to not spend funds Congress authorized). Easy resolution, since Authorizations and Appropriations funding are Article 1 section 7 (so not Laws). Congress is only enabled to pass laws by A1 section 8 where the President is obligated to ‘faithfully execute’ by A2§3 next to last clause. New OMB director said in his Senate confirmation hearings he also thought the Act was unconstitutional.
d. Birthright citizenship under 14A section one. Also ‘easy’ on two separate grounds: the meaning as understood at the time passed (Scalia original intent analysis, and separately WV v EPA ‘major questions doctrine’), underscored by the later sole exception Indian (Reservation) Citizenship Act of 1924 changing a clear 1886 law using Congressional powers bestowed by A1§8.4 clause 1.
In shorthand, ‘and subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ means fealty only. Simplest example is Ambassedors and their families. Owe fealty to the sponsoring national. If break US laws ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’, only get expelled rather than imprisoned.
So illegal aliens did not owe US fealty, or would not have broken the law to be here. US v Wong Kim Ark is NOT determinative, as in 1894 SCOTUS held both parents were here LEGALLY, did no business with or on behalf of China (no China fealty), so therefor Wong was a 14A citizen. Key is both parents were here legally.
”and Subject to the Jurisdiction thereof” = fealty solves three problems:Visa birthright tourism, TPS (illegal but not subject to immediate deportation), and illegal alien subject to deportation. The ‘asylum seeker’ pretense needs to be addressed by Congress by simply adopting the EU minus Schengen rule of first refuge country entered.
Bottom line, a good time to be alive and following closely.
The number of SSN payments to 100+ year olds is crazy.
Not crazy—per se. Just proves big time organized fraud, which explains much. Too big to be ‘simply’ excused by SSN bureaucratic incompetence. DOGE has now caught them out for sure, on a scale exceeding by hundreds of billions per year ‘simple’ USAID.
You were fooled by Musk and Trump BS because you start with the false belief they are honest people
RG, he posted the data goods. What you got?
That describes me: I think both Trump and Musk are honest. I trust both of them. I think they are working for the benefit of the nation, not for themselves.
Some people get their “opinions” from “The View”.
They also have deep-seated TDS and MDS.
Treasury Access Symbol field routinely left blank:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/whoa-doge-reveals-4-7-trillion-taxpayer-money/
Some people were older than the US Constitution, and getting SS checks every month.
The SSA should no checks to anyone over 110 years old, and see if any of these “dead people” make any noise.
In Australia we have the registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages.
Reasonably good check on people.
IIRC, deaths are removed from the Electoral Rolls as part of the Death Certificate process.
You have to be on the electoral roll to vote, which means you will have had to prove resident status through a 2 or 3 step ID check.
“IIRC, deaths are removed from the Electoral Rolls as part of the Death Certificate process.”
There’s a good idea!
I think one of them was 309 years old! They were sending out social security payments before the United States was established as a nation! 🙂
What Musk is uncovering is crazy! Just what we expected was going on in this crazy government.
And Musk has just scratched the surface.
Tell the radical Democrats it’s all over but the crying.
May you live in interesting times ..
Ancient Chinese ‘curse’. I feel blessed.
I think we are all blessed with the way things have turned out so far, even those who don’t feel blessed. Someday they may understand.
Who knew that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson voted for Biden, along with all those other 115+ year olds?
And millions of them, to boot!
“false for 25 million ‘active payments’ over age 100!),{
Tital BS from Musk and Trump
The computer default for missing age data is a birth date from about 150 years ago. That does NOT mean the person is 150 years old.
Don’t you realize almost all politicians and CEOs like Musk are world class liars. Not only Democrats. Grow up and face the truth.
LOL, you are spinning faster than a tornado, put the bong down sir.
And what about those over 150? Did the default change?
You’re obtuseness is quite boring. Do you not see the faults in a system that allows null or empty values in critical fields? Do you not see the faults in a system that doesn’t perform basic data validation? Do you not see the faults in a system that doesn’t routinely audit data?
““false for 25 million ‘active payments’ over age 100!),{
Tital BS from Musk and Trump
The computer default for missing age data is a birth date from about 150 years ago. That does NOT mean the person is 150 years old.”
If the age data is missing, how are they getting Social Security?
I had to prove my age before I could begin collecting.
Constitutional scholar Mark Levin cointends that the Wong Kim Ark case was wrongfully decided, as the legislative history, including colloquies among the Senators who sponsored that language in the 14th, specifically excluded persons who were under the jurisdiction of another power, such as foreign ambassadors, consular officals and the like. Wong’s parents were here legally, but they still were under the jurisdiction of their native country. It’s also instructve that Amerinds were not officialy made citizens until 1924, even if they were born and lived off their reservations. Gradually that changed for lack of enforcement, difficulty of obtaining birth certificates, and the small number of cases scattered acoss the US..
Other scholars have argued that the pertinent language of that section of the 14th addressed the legal problem that slaves freed by the Emancipation proclamation were not treated as citizens by the former members of the Confederacy. Congress stepped in to make it clear that they were citizens.
In short, there’s no way the framers of that lanugage in the 14th countenanced waves of illegal immigrants streaming into this country, giving births to kids here, then claiming citizenship for them—and with it access to welfare and a free ticket into the US for the parents and their extended families.
I very much doubt the Supremes will allow the country to be destroyed by alllowing millions of illegals to game the system at the expense of American taxpayers.
What needs to happen is firing alarmists from NASA and NOAA. This could be accomplished with DOGE but not sure they have the expertise.
True, but would be DOGE ‘plinking’. 25 million active SSN over 100 in age is more what I think DOGE should be shooting at. Let 47 and DOGE go after the big money. The relatively small ‘climate’ science/NGO money will whither as a result. Climate skeptics ‘win’ as a mere byproduct without doing anything different.
74 million Americans receive SS benefits each month
If Musk is claiming 25 million are over age 100, he is wrong and a fool. Even more foolish would be believing him.
As a percentage of all payments, improper payments account for 0.84% of the total, the inspector general has found.
That’s “better than any private insurance company in the nation,” and with a lower cost of administration, said Henry J. Aaron, a fellow with the Brookings Institution think tank and a former chair of the Social Security Advisory Board.
Musk is a BS artist who knows nothing about government finance but thinks he is a genius after one week. He jumps to false conclusions like a child.
Yawn, it is clear you didn’t understand the revelations.
If I may suggest it, I don’t think it is the intent of the “RG” commenter account to ‘understand the revelations’ because the account doesn’t actually appear to be a real one manned by one person. Too inconsistent all the way around on claims, along with other problems, which indicates it is a troll account likely having basic bad intentions wherever it lands.
A hijacked account?
Hard to tell, I was asking that question back in Jan 2024, and as I detailed a little more in a late March 2024 comment here, the account seemed to change from being a benign commenter offering unremarkable pro-skeptic opinion, and turned into someone practically guaranteeing loads of down votes.The indicator of the problem for me was his quote (and oddly non-functioning link that a subsequent commenter noted) which sourced word-for-word straight from Greenpeace. Not helping his situation is how his other Disqus commenter account erupted out-of-the-blue in 2023 which then racked up thousands of comments while putting out the kind of anti-skeptic ad hominem that the other side routinely puts out. Unresolved question concerns what intent his alleged “Honest Climate” blog site serves, the thing is basically unreadable, yet he claims it all is approaching a million page views. Yet he said within his site that it was previously 3 different blogs (his ‘collective page views’ includes counts from those), one of which I could see was essentially nothing more than soft porn photos, the type of thing that rakes in loads of repeat page views.
My opinion, but his whole deal looks hugely suspect.
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You should read your comments before posting. Musk isn’t claiming 25 million Americans age 100 and over. Musk is pointing out the flawed system.
I bet Peter Kalmus would cry.
Yes, if we get rid of the people calling ‘fire’ the fire will magically go out.
Except there isn’t a fire. Ice continues to be the greater danger.
Many a true word was spoken in jest …..
If Mann, Hansen, Jones, Trenberth, that fat bloke from Texas, and those other clowns who liked to dress up, and the execrable grifters Gore and Kerry had never existed, no one anywhere in the world would notice any difference in the climate, or the weather even. Some might possibly say that the weather has been really nice the last few years. Only the misanthropes like you would be able to find something negative about it.
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There is NO climate emergency developing, you need to drop your delusions and grow up.
There is no fire to put out it must be your hallucination ramping up again….., go visit your ophthalmologist… today!
Deleted, too many dodgy numbers
Well, the crap the Gore was spreading was bad science, but boy did it make him rich!
It wasn’t science.
Not flack. Flak = Flugabwehrkanone
Fair point 🙂
Wow, he questions climate science. In other words, he actually practices science instead of bowing to dogma What a threat he must be.
Just finished reading the entire page, including all comments. Richard Greene et al are attempting to derail productive, interesting, scientific discussion and I suggest: IGNORE THEM. Zero response will have a far more profound impact, as vitriol and attention is what they crave.
Simple. Don’t feed the trolls.
CO2 a half life of 120 years, which, if correct, means that the scourge of this gas and its connection to the Industrial Revolution is already being eaten into.
Half life of 120 years? No.
Much, much shorter and half-life technically is the wrong term.
William Happer . . . WOW, what a brilliant mind with an ability to communicate to the “person of average intellect” (my words), as evidenced by his IPA presentation video linked in he above article.
I absolutely love this quote:
“You know, it’s disappointing . . . when I was younger, I thought that we would set a higher price to be bought, but apparently not.”
— William Happer, “The Crusade Against Carbon Dioxide”, presentation at meeting of the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), Brisbane, Australia, September 2023
video at https://youtu.be/v2nhssPW77
The Deep State has recently deleted a web file of monthly measured average global water vapor increase. The file, showing data reported by NASA/RSS from before 1988 through Dec 2023 had been available at https://data.remss.com/vapor/monthly_1deg/tpw_v07r02_198801_202312.time_series.txt Measured water vapor has been increasing more than twice as fast as possible from just planet warming and can account for all climate change attributable to humanity with no contribution from burning fossil fuels. https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com
The attached graph which was generated using algorithm (1) in the analysis made available at Sect 17 of http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com had no contribution from CO2.
I am always very concerned when something “matches” HadCrut or Giss.
Since HadCrut and Giss are both manufactured from fake non-existent ocean data and heavily mal-adjusted urban-affected surface data,…
… this implies the end result is either deliberately matched by adjusting parameters.. which is not science..
… or is most probably, just incorrect.
“I am always very concerned when something “matches” HadCrut or Giss.”
Me, too. I suspect when I see this that some shenanigans have gone on so that there is an appearance to a match because the global temperature profile represented by HadCRUT and GISS (the Hockey Stick chart) does not match reality, so whatever matches the bogus temperature data is itself bogus and was created with the goal of matching the bogus temperature data.
The regional, written, historic temperature data refutes the bogus Hockey Stick chart profile (hotter and hotter and hotter). None of the regional temperature data from around the world show a similar temperature profile. Instead, they show it was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century as it is today. The bogus Hockey Stick chart erases the Early Twentieth Century warming.