Politico and The Guardian Falsely Blame California Wildfires on Climate Change

Recent reports in Politico and The Guardian make a now-familiar but false claim: California’s wildfires, particularly the devastating events around Los Angeles, are evidence of an accelerating “climate crisis.” The claims made in these stories are false. Data do not show wildfires are getting worse. The stories rely on oversimplified, headline-grabbing narratives that blame climate change without examining other critical variables. In addition, they continue to make the most basic mistake of conflating weather events with long-term climate change.

California’s landscapes have evolved alongside fire for millennia. Long before industrialization, periodic wildfires swept through these ecosystems, clearing out excess vegetation and promoting biodiversity. This is not conjecture, rather it is well-documented in history. Native American tribes understood this and used controlled burns to manage the land.

The problem today is not that California has fires—it always has. The problem is that modern fire suppression policies disrupted this natural cycle. For much of the 20th century, aggressive efforts to extinguish all fires, combined with the abandonment of Indigenous fire management techniques, allowed vegetation and underbrush to accumulate to dangerous levels. Other factors include a shift in forest management philosophy leading to decline in logging, resulting in overgrown forests with build-up of fuel, and increasing numbers of people moving to areas historically prone to wildfires. This surplus fuel creates the conditions for catastrophic fires and the increased population and all the buildings that come with them, leads to greater tragedy and cost when fires occur.  Climate Realism has discussed these facts on multiple occasions, hereherehere, and here, for example.

The media conveniently ignores this, preferring to frame every wildfire as an apocalyptic omen of climate change. By failing to include this historical context, publications like The Guardian and Politico mislead their readers into believing wildfires are a “new normal” caused solely by greenhouse gas emissions.

Also, the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) notes several factors that have been cited by media outlets as “enhancing” the fire situation that the IPCC says have not worsened as the climate has modestly changed, nor are they expected to worsen in the future. See the table below, and note the factors boxed in red.

The breathless media claims of increased drought, increased fire weather, and worse than normal winds such as the Santa Ana winds, just don’t hold up to scientific scrutiny.

Urban sprawl into fire-prone areas has also intensified the wildfire problem. The wildland-urban interface—where human development meets natural landscapes—is now home to millions of Californians. This expansion means more ignition sources, from power line failures, to campfires, to arson and more, and more structures vulnerable to fire.

For example, the Palisades Fire, referenced in recent media coverage, began in an area with a long history of human activity intersecting with high-risk landscapes. Investigations reveal that the fire’s ignition was likely human-caused, possibly by power line failure—a detail conveniently buried in the media’s climate-centric reporting. Cliff Mass, a respected atmospheric scientist, has written extensively on how human factors—not climate—are often the direct cause of such fires.

The media’s failure to acknowledge the role increased population has played in the recent wildfires is deeply irresponsible. Expanding urban development into high-risk areas, coupled with inadequate fireproofing measures, magnifies the destruction when fires occur. Yet, these factors rarely make the headlines. Why? Because they don’t fit narrative that climate change is to blame.

The policy failure that no one talks about is poor forest management.

Poor forest and land management is another critical factor contributing to California’s wildfires that is often ignored by the mainstream coverage. California’s forests are overgrown, with dangerously high levels of combustible material. Controlled burns and mechanical thinning are proven methods to reduce this risk, yet California has consistently fallen short of its forest management goals.

Governor Gavin Newsom has touted California’s “climate leadership,” but his administration and the U.S. Forest Service have quietly backtracked on the forest thinning, logging, and prescribed burn targets. A report from Climate Realism details how inadequate the state’s forest management efforts have been, leaving forests as ticking time bombs.

This policy failure is ignored by media outlets eager to blame a nebulous “climate crisis” rather than hold policymakers accountable for their neglect. How convenient.

There is no denying that naturally driven climate change may influence some environmental conditions, such as warmer temperatures or extended droughts. However, attributing wildfires solely to climate change ignores the larger picture. Consider this: the total area burned by wildfires in the U.S. has actually decreased since the early 20th century, according to data from the National Interagency Fire Center and summarized by Climate at a Glance.

Why hasn’t this fact been front-page news? Because it contradicts the media’s preferred narrative. Wildfires in the past were often larger and more frequent than they are today.

Climate alarmists also ignore the critical role of weather variability. For instance, Michael Shellenberger, a prominent environmentalist and author, has pointed out that many of California’s recent fires were preceded by unusually high wind events, such as Diablo and Santa Ana winds. These natural phenomena, not climate change, drive the most destructive fires.

What is most galling about media coverage of California wildfires is its selective focus and refusal to acknowledge inconvenient facts. By attributing every blaze to climate change, journalists are not just misinforming the public—they are actively undermining efforts to address the real causes of these disasters and thereby putting people at risk by encouraging poor public policies.

Blaming climate change for wildfires is an easy way to avoid difficult conversations about land management, urban planning, and individual responsibility. It allows politicians to deflect blame and activists to push sweeping policies that often have little to do with wildfire prevention. In short, it is a cop-out.

The conclusion? Media irresponsibility is the real crisis.

By refusing to discuss the true causes of wildfires, outlets like Politico and The Guardian are complicit in hindering meaningful action. It’s time for journalists to do their jobs: report facts, ask hard questions, and hold policymakers accountable. Until they do, they will remain part of the problem, not the solution.

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Anthony Watts

Anthony Watts is a senior fellow for environment and climate at The Heartland Institute. Watts has been in the weather business both in front of, and behind the camera as an on-air television meteorologist since 1978 and currently does daily radio forecasts. He has created weather graphics presentation systems for television, specialized weather instrumentation, as well as co-authored peer-reviewed papers on climate issues. He operates the most viewed website in the world on climate, the award-winning website wattsupwiththat.com.

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Scissor
January 13, 2025 10:07 am

Their biggest error was instead of building reservoirs they went overboard with dykes.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 10:17 am

🙂

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 10:34 am

I see what you did there! 🙂

jguenther5
Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 10:43 am

Wocka-wocka!!

NickR
Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 11:02 am

username checks out.

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 11:35 am

Having dikes around, simply for the sake having dikes is silly. If there is a need for a dike … and if it can provide a beneficial use, and the cost/benefit is there, then sure, have a dike. Otherwise, don’t have one. And there is definitely not a real reason to waste resources, time, and money, for a dike if the dike is substandard; and it is less than reasonable to have a dike when you don’t have a functional need for one. Spending extra public money specifically for a acquisition & maintenance of a dike, when a no specific dike is required, should be considered as criminal. Especially if a regular boring berm would fulfill the need.

The empty reservoir near the Palisades is an example of a useless impoundment structure. (Technically dikes keep water out; dams keep water in; and berms do a little of both … and then some.) If it was filled with water it would not have been useless, but calling it a dike while it is empty doesn’t make it a useful dike. In fact it doesn’t even make it a dike.

There is no need to add dikes where none are needed it is silly. And it is harmful to there is no to tear down or leave unused perfectly good dams/berms and replace them with dikes, just so you can say you have a dike.

(‘geologic dikes’ are a whole ‘nother thing. please don’t confuse the above with your standard concept of dikes)

Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2025 11:51 am

(‘geologic dikes’ are a whole ‘nother thing. please don’t confuse the above with your standard concept of dikes)

And fire chief dykes are a whole ‘nother ‘nother thing. 😉

Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2025 12:29 pm

“There is no need to add dikes where none are needed it is silly.”

Amen brother.

MarkW
Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2025 12:36 pm

Dyke, with a ‘y’, is another word for lesbian.

Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2025 2:35 pm
Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2025 12:36 pm

I can’t tell.

Does anyone know if DonM is being intentionally, or unintentionally, obtuse?

Reply to  pillageidiot
January 13, 2025 1:16 pm

As Peter Sellers might have said… “That dyke has got a nice berm.” 🙂

Scissor
Reply to  pillageidiot
January 13, 2025 1:26 pm

Not in so many words.

Derg
Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 5:01 pm

Comedy gold

January 13, 2025 10:21 am

On a family camping trip to Sequoia National park in 1958 the forest ranger told us
that the understory trees needed to periodically burn and when they do finally burn
it will be catastrophic.

So  knowing that “efforts to extinguish all fires” is forest mismanagement isn’t new.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
January 13, 2025 10:23 am

The propensity of the AGW crowd to blame every disaster on AGW is part of their DNA and only adds to their lack of credibility.

Scissor
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
January 13, 2025 10:29 am

This link from J Boles in an earlier post is relevant to your point. https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/01/13/democrat-senator-blames-trump-for-california-wildfires-n4935916

Senator Markey demonstrates no credibility whatsoever.

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 10:37 am

Markey- from the once great state of Wokeachusetts.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2025 1:45 pm

Spelling error: Malarkey

jguenther5
Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2025 10:46 am

He’s a Lie-beral.

Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
January 13, 2025 10:36 am

They’re as fanatic as some of my old friends who became “born again” religious types. There’s no enlightening them. It’s a one way trip into funda-mentalism.

jguenther5
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2025 10:47 am

Or fumble-mentalisn.

ElClima
January 13, 2025 10:28 am

If anything, climate change will make things better. According to climate simulations, Santa Ana Winds should decrease in frequency and slightly in intensity.
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-me-ln-climate-change-santa-ana-winds-20190131-story.html

Original paper: Guzman‐Morales, J. and Gershunov, A., 2019. Climate change suppresses Santa Ana winds of Southern California and sharpens their seasonality. Geophysical Research Letters46(5), pp.2772-2780.

willhaas
Reply to  ElClima
January 13, 2025 3:17 pm

The climate models are known to be wrong. The climate simulations are little more than make believe. I live in Southern Caqlifornia near the coast. The weather condifions were not abnormal for this time of year.,

Rick C
January 13, 2025 10:39 am

I’ve seen a number of responses to those calling for clearing out understory fuel buildup in forests that argue it’s too expensive. But they do not acknowledge that if logging companies were allowed to harvest timber in these forests they would build access roads, thin out trees to a healthy level and remove much of the undergrowth. And they’d do it for free. After all it is in a forestry company’s interest to maintain robust forest health and prevent massive devastating fires. Of course, such policies are completely unacceptable to the anti-capitalist socialist/Marxist who dominate blue state politics.

California’s failure to find ways to massively increase water supply availability and properly manage wildland fire risk will look like a pretty small cost saving once the cost of the LA fire disaster is determined.

Giving_Cat
Reply to  Rick C
January 13, 2025 11:30 am

> California’s failure to find ways to massively increase water supply availability…

California hasn’t even implemented the dredging of existing reservoirs to address silting over the 55 years since the last (New Melones) dam went on line.

Reply to  Rick C
January 13, 2025 11:55 am

What are the average costs of a big fire?
Fires provide opportunities for activists.

MarkW
Reply to  Rick C
January 13, 2025 12:42 pm

The area that is burning in the current fires is mostly chapparal. That’s brush. There are few trees in that area. The only way I know of to keep the fuel load under control there is for land owners to manually remove brush near buildings, and then for the fire department to conduct controlled burns during times when the risk of the fire getting out of control is low. (rainy season?)

jvcstone
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2025 1:09 pm

Or put a bunch of goats out there

Reply to  MarkW
January 17, 2025 4:17 pm
Tom Halla
January 13, 2025 10:49 am

California politicians rolling over for The Sierra Club and The Center for Biological Diversity blocking land management on various pretexts is the problem. The politicians set up the environmental review processes for the Green Blob to exploit, so it amounts to depraved indifference by both groups as to the foreseeable effects.

Giving_Cat
January 13, 2025 11:23 am

My neighborhood, Las Posas Estates lost more than a hundred homes in the Mountain Fire. My SiL is looking at 10-12 months before her home is repaired and she is one of the lucky ones in Camarillo Heights. Most of her neighbors lost all.

November to January there are always wind events. Our Nov event was exceptional because it was 80-90mph instead of 60-70mph. IMHO that would have made little difference as to outcome.

Ventura County is far more stringent as to fire buffers for properties than is Los Angeles. IMO this is a contributing factor to these losses in the Los Angeles January fires. Property owners are culpable as well. Their landscape choices pay little attention to fuel loading. Then there’s density. Los Angeles is, surprising many, very dense. And make no mistake, the burned neighborhoods will be rebuilt but sadly rebuilt denser. Urban planners don’t have a “LESS” button. Likewise pseudo ecologist types don’t have a more managed button.

As someone who has several properties directly on SoCal urban boundaries (deliberately) I feel for these victims but also note I am not yet joining them.

Indigenous flora have adapted to regional periodic fires to the point of some depending upon them for propagation. If only we were as adaptive.

Mr.
Reply to  Giving_Cat
January 13, 2025 11:55 am

Wildfires (and all fires) just need these basic elements –

  1. combustible materials (eg chaparral brush, eucalyptus trees, etc)
  2. oxygen (better if wind-assisted)
  3. sources of ignition (eg matches, embers, wind-borne flames)

1) can be managed / mitigated.
2) can be predicted and risk / likelihood prepared for
3) these are the wild cards requiring instant interventions.

1) and 2) are ever-present, and therefore require constant vigilance by “the authorities” paid and equipped by taxpayers to apply such constant vigilance.

Failures of basic governance cannot be attributed to “climate change”.

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Giving_Cat
January 13, 2025 12:26 pm

Thousand Oaks passed a weed abatement ordinance in the early 1960’s, which might have been in response to the Bel Air fire. I remember seeing equipment clearing weeds on what is now the park adjacent to TOHS not too long after the ordinance passed. Before the ordinance, weeds were often kept under control by herds of sheep – the land that TOHS sits on was used as a grazing area up to about ’60-’61.

Building construction makes a difference as well, cedar shake roofs were very common up to the 80’s when people got the message that they are a fire hazard.

willhaas
Reply to  Giving_Cat
January 13, 2025 3:24 pm

I live in Southern California. These fires happen all of the time. The burnt out buildings will be replaces by buildings that will burn down just as easily. The powers that be never learn.

January 13, 2025 11:29 am

Sure, if climate change causes arsonists to start wildfires.

Reply to  Shoki
January 13, 2025 11:54 am

That’ll be the next paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.
🙁

Reply to  Shoki
January 13, 2025 7:47 pm

Yes, and they do it to prove that it’s climate change that causes the wildfires, not arson.

That’s how the Gaussian distribution of climate change warriors works when the wrong end of the distribution gets down to single digit numbers, and is well into the psychiatric range.

January 13, 2025 11:39 am

I hope when they re-build, that they think more about what building materials are appropriate for a fire-prone area.

willhaas
Reply to  bnice2000
January 13, 2025 3:26 pm

But they never do. The replacement buildings will burn down just as easily. This has been happening over and over again.

Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 11:43 am

“Data do not show wildfires are getting worse.”

Data certainly shows that Californian wildfires are getting worse. Here is a listing from the 2024 Cal Fire year in review of the largest by area since 1932. I have marked those since 2016 in yellow (there were 13), and those of last century in pale green (1):

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Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:25 pm

Historically in the early 1800’s it was millions of acres burnt every year, not hundreds of thousands.

In recent decades deranged sicko humans have ignited around 90% of the fires, helped by terrible land management practices and corruption.

“Climate change” has nothing to do with it.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Alpha
January 13, 2025 12:56 pm

“Historically in the early 1800’s it was millions of acres burnt every year”

In California? Who was counting?

John Hultquist
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 2:04 pm

Do some homework kid. Natives set fires; they did not put them out. Smokey Bear arrived in 1944 to stop fires and protect Bambi, who arrived on the silver screen in 1942. Since then fuel has been growing. Want to know more? Try this:
Paul Hessburg Era of Megafires Wildfire Forest Health — Era Of Megafires
I went to this presentation 10+ years ago. Paul Hessburg, Research Ecologist with Pacific Northwest Research Station (near me) was the lead, but county and state officials and home owners were involved.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 13, 2025 2:22 pm

So whowas counting? Early 1800s?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 2:56 pm

Same folks that were measuring.

But since it is way easier to count than measure, I’d give any benefit of doubt to claims of historical counts over claims of historical measure.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2025 4:22 pm

Measuring, counting, who were they and what were their numbers?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 17, 2025 4:34 pm

The main evidence is what remains to be dug up and analyze.

In the Sierra foothills, where many went prospecting (gold found at Sutter’s mill in 1849), the usual construction was all stone walls, iron roofs and doors plus iron shutters for any windows. All that because fires were so common. Some of those buildings are still in use by foothill businesses in many small towns.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 13, 2025 4:02 pm

John, your presentation starts out:

“Wildfires have always been a part of our ecosystems in the Western U.S, but their steady increase in size and destructive power over the last 40+ years has been unprecedented.”

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 5:02 pm

And continues with

 As they began to discover the ecology behind what’s happening and its relationship to forest management, an epiphany came: the rise of megafires might have an ecological explanation, but in reality, they are a social problem, with social solutions

ie.. the increase is related totally to greenie anti-environment agendas that allow for feral, uncontrolled bush growth.

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 5:03 pm

They had thermometers back then that went out to the hundredth place

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 11:54 pm

Probably the same people counting CO² particles.

For anyone who isn’t trolling like Nick Stokes, there are many ways to determine fire regimes.

Dendrochronology (Tree-Ring Analysis)
Natural fire rotation technique
Fire Scars Growth Patterns
Charcoal Records
Soil and Sediment Cores
Pollen and Macrofossil Analysis
Ethnographic Studies
Ecological Indicators
Fire Spread Models
Climatic Data

and then Cross-Validation.

Further reading:

https://studylib.net/doc/11860979/fire-regimes-and-approaches-for-determining-fire-history-

https://www.sierraforestlegacy.org/Resources/Conservation/FireForestEcology/FireScienceResearch/FireHistory/FireHistory-Stephens07.pdf

John Hultquist
Reply to  Alpha
January 13, 2025 1:54 pm

” humans have ignited around 90% of the fires
Something humans are involved with, such as pulling a vehicle to the grassy edge of a highway, flinging sparks from a rim when the tire blows, non-approved wires to out-buildings, fire works, and so on. A study about 10 years ago claimed about 84% were ignited by these sorts of things. A relatively few are arson.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:30 pm

You conveniently ignored the fact that just about every single fire in your list was caused by either lightning (natural cause) or Human Related/arson. Not a single one has “Climate Change” listed as a cause.

Another point. In 1932 (your green highlight) the population of CA was 5,894,000. In 2024 (latest fire date on your list) the population of CA was 39,431,263. Do you think the increased population and population density might have a little something to do with the increase in fires caused by humans (either accidental or by arson)?

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:40 pm

FWIW, the 2003 Cedar fire was caused by a lost hunter starting a signal fire to alert rescuers. The San Diego County Sheriff’s department told the USFS that there was a fire when rescuing the hunter, the USFS refused to send out a fire fighting aircraft (close to sundown) and ordered the Sheriff’s department to stand down from their attempt at putting out the fire.

Also bear in mind that the period from 1932 onwards to the 1980’s was where fires were quickly suppressed as well as very active harvesting of trees. The western US had some very large fires prior to 1932.

Idle Eric
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:47 pm

Is dried wood and grass noticeably more combustible at 73f than it is at 72f?

Does the extra 1f make a difference when a wildfire can burn at over 2,000f?

aussiecol
Reply to  Idle Eric
January 13, 2025 1:17 pm

Exactly… a few degrees rise in temperature is not the main driver of wildfires, it is the wind.

Idle Eric
Reply to  aussiecol
January 13, 2025 2:54 pm

Sounds to me more like it’s bad management, they’ve decided to ignore everything that has been learned over the last thousand years or so, and allow vast amounts of fuel to build up over multiple years, but are now surprised that if you do that, then the fuel burns.

Reply to  Idle Eric
January 17, 2025 4:40 pm

Actual scientific study of what works and does not work. Much is counterintuitive.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/

willhaas
Reply to  aussiecol
January 13, 2025 3:35 pm

And winds like this are normal in Southern California for this time of year..

Derg
Reply to  aussiecol
January 13, 2025 5:05 pm

You also need fuel…lots and lots brush

willhaas
Reply to  Idle Eric
January 13, 2025 3:33 pm

And it is winter time and relatively cold outside. The outside temperature had nothing to do with it. Last year was very wet and thiis year it is dry in January which is not unusual for Southern Californis. It has been like this at least since I was born in 1949. Nothing has changed.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:48 pm

From the CA wildfire website.

https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents

Although California experienced a higher-than-usual number of fires this year, total acreage burned remains slightly below the five-year average but exceeds last year’s figures.

There were over 8,000 wildfires in 2024 with a total acreage of over 1,000,000 acres burned. You can cherrypick all the individual fires all you want, but total acreage burned is below the five-year average.

The comment “Data do not show wildfires are getting worse” is correct.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Phil R
January 13, 2025 12:53 pm

The five year average? That would be 2019-2023? Yes, they were bad years.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 1:27 pm

The slight increase after 1995 is purely down to bad fire management practices brought in by the ignorance of the greenie anti-environment agenda.

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Bill Parsons
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:50 pm

Sequoia burn scar records and pollen core samples show far more wildfires in the middle ages than Cal has today.

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John Hultquist
Reply to  Bill Parsons
January 13, 2025 2:15 pm

Yes, and those doing sediment cores** and dendroecology reconstructions have shown past fire regimes. Early photos compared with recent confirm the growth of trees and other vegetation.
These sorts of studies do not get much space in the Guardian and other main media outlets.
**A friend does these, so I know more of this than of dendroecology.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 12:55 pm

Newsome has forced insurance companies out of California by capping premium costs. By rescinding those caps – allowing insureres to raise premiums to levels commensurate with risk – would force builders to stop building tinderbox homes and start observing common sense building methods for this fire – and flood – prone area.

BTW, floods and landslides are coming. After hillsides are denuded by fire, there’s nothing to retain soil. Insurance companies must spell out the conditions under which they will insure, and communities which comply can then bargain for more affordable rates. They’ll never be cheap in California. Maybe some Hollywood millionaires who have lost their homes can bring up this inconvenient truth.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 1:21 pm

Its not at all remarkable that wildfires spread more and are more severe when the bush around is left feral..

The size of this disaster is TOTALLY down to greenie-agenda idiotic lack of bush management and preparedness.

Reply to  bnice2000
January 17, 2025 4:44 pm

Actual studies suggest otherwise. See video at post above.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 2:02 pm

US-fires
Reply to  bnice2000
January 13, 2025 7:52 pm

I wonder if Nick will ever be able to connect the dots to his support of involuntary manslaughter.

Reply to  philincalifornia
January 13, 2025 8:56 pm

is “involuntary” the correct word ??

Surely they have told often enough that they need to keep the forests, particularly near housing, clean and clear of flammable undergrowth.

Their neglect is on purpose.!!!

Scissor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 13, 2025 6:43 pm

Democrat rule will do that.

January 13, 2025 11:46 am

this U.S. Geological Service video provides a much better view into human caused fire damage in southern California

Reply to  AndyHce
January 13, 2025 11:53 am
Scissor
Reply to  AndyHce
January 13, 2025 6:48 pm

A million dollars was a lot of money back then (60s).

Seems like houses need to be made more fire resistant and properties need to be maintained for ignition resistance as others here, particularly from Australia, have mentioned.

Has this research helped at all? Seems like ineffective models again have failed. Unfortunately, this present event will present them with lifetimes of data for research.

Reply to  Scissor
January 17, 2025 4:52 pm

The research suggests fires are unavoidable. Clearing the native Chaparral just invites even more flammable invasive grasses while destroying native habitat. Firebreaks are useless against the yearly winds. Homes could be built better but the local conditions make that extra difficult.

January 13, 2025 12:19 pm

From the Onion 2008

Californians Celebrate Annual Wildfire Tradition

warning …volume on video is loud

Rud Istvan
January 13, 2025 12:20 pm

No surprise that folks like Politico and Guardian spin the LA disaster as climate change.
But this time it really isn’t working. Pictures of empty water reservoirs, unfunctional fire hydrants, the infamous extinct in the wild delta smelt, public records of LAFD budget cuts, and a new LAFD chief whose written top priority is DEI are inescapable media evidence of liberal democrat malfeasance.

When someone as left wacko as Adam Schiff calls for an independent investigation, you know the climate blame game is up.

Randle Dewees
Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 13, 2025 1:07 pm

What is your take on the LA city mayor Karen Bass?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Randle Dewees
January 13, 2025 6:13 pm

I presume you joke.
She was on a trip to Ghana after the severe Santa Ana wind warning. She appointed the LAFD DEI fire chief. Upon her return from Ghana, she refused to answer on camera 90 seconds worth of questions.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 14, 2025 10:46 am

I think there is a good joke about Bass and the Santa Ghana winds in there somewhere, I just can’t come up with it.

Bob
January 13, 2025 12:31 pm

Very nice Anthony. I agree with everything here. My problem is language. We must stop talking about climate change. We must force the conversation to what the CAGW scoundrels are really talking about and that is the CO2 that man is releasing to the atmosphere. We must present a clear understandable explanation of how CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas. It does not act as a shield or a blanket holding long wave radiation near the earth. Rather it is more like a filter slowing down the escape of LWR to space. Most importantly we must explain that CO2’s effect as a greenhouse gas is logarithmic, that more CO2 does not mean more warming, that there are limits to how much CO2 can warm the atmosphere. It is up to us to say this relentlessly so the common guy understands that the other side is untrustworthy and disingenuous.

Reply to  Bob
January 13, 2025 1:34 pm

Basically all CO2 frequency surface radiation is absorbed within 10m or so of the surface and thermalised to become part of the convective/conductive/air movement energy transfer.

Adding a bit of extra CO2 might drop that down to 9.9m…

ie.. will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.

January 13, 2025 1:06 pm

Whilst the focus is always on forest management in order to control the fuel load, there seems to be no direct focus on the fuel load in the built up areas, by that I mean the houses and other infrastructure. What level of fuel load per acre do they provide? Has that ever been calculated?

Mass evacuations ordered leaving homes unprotected provides similar conditions as a forest that has been allowed for the fuel to build up.

If rebuilding is allowed in such areas prone to such fires, not only should authorities address the matter of reducing the forest fuel load but also the urban fuel load with building codes and the installation of means of each residence being defendable, as once one house catches fire it creates a possibility of a runaway domino principle catastrophe which appears to be what happened with entire neighborhoods wiped out.

Reply to  kalsel3294
January 13, 2025 1:42 pm

I look at the post-fire images, and all I see is ash, and the occasional concrete pillar.

That means that basically everything was combustible.

I read of tar/wood shingles on the roof, and plywood exteriors, and have to wonder what people were thinking… if at all.

John Hultquist
Reply to  bnice2000
January 13, 2025 6:52 pm

You are being unkind. People built with the standard products of the time whether 1900s or 1980s. I’ve lived in both. Money was a limiting factor for many.

Reply to  John Hultquist
January 13, 2025 9:03 pm

That area above the Palisades looks fairly new ? !

But they should know better now.. Let’s see if they have learnt anything.

jvcstone
January 13, 2025 1:18 pm

Story tip
Over on Lew Rockwell, David Stockman (of all people) had a great article on climate change, the fires, touching on most every real scientific base.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/01/david-stockman/wildfires-fried-smelt-and-the-hoary-hoax-of-a-burning-planet/
I was impressed enough to book mark it to send to the grandkids who are bombarded with woke BS in school every day.

Chris Hanley
January 13, 2025 1:22 pm

Odd that Trump doesn’t get a mention in The Guardian piece, Elon Musk does as an aside, but the main villain is of course fossil fuels but Los Angeles would not exist without them.

January 13, 2025 1:45 pm

The other factor rarely mentioned is the vulnerability of housing to ember attack. Spot fires can start up well away from the main blaze. I suspect that timber cladding may not be the rational choice for LA rebuilds.

Reply to  jayrow
January 13, 2025 3:49 pm

I think they need to adopt something like the BAL rating used in NSW Australia.

What is a bal rating? – Buildi

Your building design has to meet the BAL rating for its location before you can build.

There are companies that are certified to do BAL ratings

Reply to  bnice2000
January 13, 2025 4:30 pm

Landscaping material was also a major issue in during the 2003 Canberra (Australia) bushfire. Tea Tree brush fencing and wood chip garden mulch was considered an environmentally friendly material for gardens, but proved to be highly susceptible to ember attack, especially when the pine forests to the west of the city literally exploded in flames. Spot fires broke out well ahead of the main blaze.

willhaas
January 13, 2025 3:11 pm

I live in the area. The weather conditions were not unusual for that time of year. We have wild fires all the tiem so you would think that the powers that be would have been more propaired for them but they were not. The buildings suseptable to these fires just catch fire too easily. They keep replacing the burnt out buildings with new buildings that will burn just as easily. You would think that after this happening time and time again that the powers that be would have learned a lesson and would have worked to solve the problem but they have not.

Reply to  willhaas
January 13, 2025 4:00 pm

See comment on Australian BAL rating above.

Here is a guide of what I had to follow, being BAL29 rated.

BAL 29 | Bushfire Construction Reference Guide | AS3959:2018

Bushfire Resisting Timber | Reference Guide | AS3959:2018

Yes, it adds cost.. for instance my large back veranda had to be built with Merbau instead of pine.. a BIG price difference.

Metal frame underfloor, 9mm compressed fibrous cement boards, 5mm tempered glass in the aluminium window frames, metal fly screens, corrugated iron roof with extra sarking… etc etc

I could have used a different Australian dense hardwood timber, but finding enough properly seasoned and finished timber was basically impossible.. at any price !!

John Hultquist
Reply to  willhaas
January 13, 2025 7:51 pm

I live in a fire prone environment — east side of the Cascades in WA State.
I had it re-sided: Hardie® Plank Lap Siding on the top and Versetta® Stone Veneer (false sandstone) on the bottom 4 feet. I’ve also cleaned-up the surroundings to meet “firewise” criteria.

Reply to  John Hultquist
January 13, 2025 9:10 pm

Roof ? window frames ? Even my front and back door are “fire” rated.

I feel about as safe as I can make it.. but under no delusion that it is 100%

That Hardie® Plank Lap Siding looks like the 9mm fibrous cement siding I have on my house..

Have used off-cuts for the sides of a fire pit… 🙂

willhaas
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 14, 2025 1:55 pm

Many of the houses here in Southern California have fire resistant aspects but not nearly enough to stop the fires under windy conditions. They have too much exposed wood, and combustable vegistation right up against the house. It is no wonder that many insurance companies will no longer offer fire insurance in some areas. Most likely when they rebuild the new buildings will have that same flaws.

January 13, 2025 4:10 pm

Just how long does a “Climate Change” effect need to be happening before it’s frequency earns a name such as “The Santa Anna Winds”?
How long has that name been around?
LA is a desert region that used to build dams to store water and even now imports it from out of state.
They now divert a bunch of that water into the ocean to save a fish that might not be there anymore.
They also forbid clearly dead brush because it’s the habitat of the Kangaroo Rat which also might not be there anymore.
What California policies seem to be is homelessness and illegal’s forevermore.
(They need to build fires to cook their food. Right?)

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Gunga Din
January 13, 2025 9:14 pm

The weather phenomena is known as the Santa Ana winds – just one “n”.

Reply to  Erik Magnuson
January 14, 2025 8:16 am

Thanks for the correction.

willhaas
Reply to  Gunga Din
January 14, 2025 1:58 pm

The native Americans called the LA basin the Valley of the Smokes because of all of the fires that naturally happened there.

January 13, 2025 6:27 pm

Climate change is warming the highest latitudes the most and tropics the least. Decreasing the meridional (north to south) temperature contrast which decreases the pressure gradient and wind.

A big reason for these extreme winds in California is the pressure gradient between the intense Arctic Highs with bitter cold dropping down from Canada into the middle of the country and low pressure in the Southwest……the complete opposite of global warming!
How many of these incidents did we have last Winter that was record warm in the Midwest???
None because of the warmth and lack of massive Arctic highs with bitter cold. And it rained alot the last 2 Winters in Southern California.

We have a natural La Nina in place. La Nina’s are COLD water in the tropical Pacific. Global warming can’t cause cold water in the tropical Pacific. La Nina’s suppress rains in Southern California during the Winter. El Ninos are the complete opposite. WARM water in the tropical Pacific increases rain in South California, like the El Nino last Winter did.

More warmth in the tropical Pacific Ocean = more rain in Southern California in the Winter.
In fact, many climate models INCREASE rains in California for just that reason.

As usual, every time there is a natural disaster where the weather played a role, we can expect the same people that don’t understand the basics of meteorology 101 to embarrass themselves with the climate crisis blame game.

They’ve decided that everything bad is being caused by the climate crisis and nothing good.
According to their anti science world, we’re killing the planet…….despite it greening up from the only true “green” energy……… fossil fuels.

The indisputable, scientific law of photosynthesis uses CO2 to grow plants faster and food for the creatures on earth, with its booming biosphere. Food production by humans is +26% just from the added, natural atmospheric fertilizer, CO2.
The optimal level of CO2 is just over double this. In fact, fossil fuel emissions rescued the planet from near CO2 starvation. Burning them returned the CO2 that was once there back to the atmosphere.

The climate CRISIS is almost all politics, junk science and complete nonsense!
This is irrefutably a SCIENTIFIC climate optimum.
Most life on this planet would like it to get a bit warmer yet and would greatly appreciate doubling the level of this beneficial gas.

Reply to  Mike Maguire
January 14, 2025 9:01 am

More on the meteorology of this event, which is the result of natural variability in the WEATHER:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/109456/#109543

JackT
January 14, 2025 5:18 pm

While wildfires can’t be eliminated completely, there are basic policy changes that will reduce their severity. Implementation of these reforms is complex, but they can be summarized in a few words: Deregulate the process whereby public and private land managers can do controlled burns, thin vegetation, graze goats, cattle, and other herbivores, and harvest marketable timber.
https://californiapolicycenter.org/a-firestorm-of-failures/