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Westfieldmike
December 8, 2024 2:20 am
I hear that our communist regime in the UK is going to try battery vehicles for the army. Trials for electric construction plant didn’t go to well. They couldn’t last half a day. Imagine a heavy armoured vehicle. The battery life would be dire. A huge heavy battery struck by a shell would be very dramatic. The toxic smoke if blowing towards the enemy could be handy though. I think we need men in white coats as a matter of urgency.
“I hear that our communist regime in the UK is going to try battery vehicles for the army.”
Can you imagine the British Army sending a letter to the commander of the enemy forces asking him to please hold off with the upcoming battle because your army tank batteries are still recharging?
And by the way, are there any recharging stations on the battlefield?
Can you imagine the British Army sending a letter to the commander of the enemy forces asking him to please hold off with the upcoming battle because your army tank batteries are still recharging?
That’s ok, they can spend the time at their local Tesco getting their groceries. Because with the range a battery-powered tank is likely to have, that’s as far from base as they’re likely to get.
The UK needs the equivalent of Trump to be in charge to throw the elites of the Tory’s and Labor out and debilitate/lobotomize them to have them never rule again.
At present, both elites are ruining the UK to become the very sicko man of Europe
The UK people deserve much better than these two!
Ban the Expensive, Dysfunctional Offshore Wind Turbine Fiasco https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/ban-the-dysfunctional-offshore-wind-turbine-fiasco
by Willem Post
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Eliminate all subsidies of any kind for all industries, etc.
Federal government spending would be reduced by several hundred $billion each year
. Rotor Blade Test Requirements
Regarding the disintegrating rotor blades in Cape Cod, ultrasonic testing is fine, radiological testing is fine, but field testing of fully instrumented, 351-ft long, rotor blades on a mast, in a windy area of the North Sea, for at least one year, is the most important and vital part, which Quebec GE executives decided to “omit” to expedite delivery of rotor blades.
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These rotor blades are about three times as long as an airplane wing of a Boeing-747.
Nobody with a sane mind would ever “omit” field testing, including bend and torsion testing.
. Torsional Failure Issues Date Back to 1997
LM Wind Power, formerly LM Glasfiber, is a Danish manufacturer of wind turbine blades, had blade cracking issues, due to torsion, as far back as 1997 Blade cracks signal new stress problem, preventative investment needed on turbines with large LM blades
That was 27 years ago.
That involved Danish-built, 19 m blades at that time
The Cape Cod blades are 107 m
A rotor with 107 m blades scribes a circle of about 600 ft diameter
The wind speeds significantly vary from top to bottom, and from side to side
That 107 m blade sees all sorts of wind speeds, as it rotates, bends and twists, unlike the much smaller airplane wing of a 747
General Electric Bought LM Wind Power in 2016
The 107 m prototype, GE-LM blade,
never had a one-year field test in a rough ocean environment, and
never had a torsion test at the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center, because it was cut in two parts to fit in the building.
Torsion testing predicts a material’s behavior under twisting forces as one unit.
. 107 m Rotor Blade Failure
On July 13, 2024, a Vineyard Wind blade broke off Nantucket sending 60 tons of microfibers, fiberglass, and balsa wood into the ocean and onto beaches, damaging fisheries and tourism for many months, if not years
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What were these GE executives thinking?
How in hell did they get into these top positions?
. Falsifying Test Records
GE Quebec personnel falsified rotor test data, to expedite delivery, instead of admitting the design is a Rube Goldberg
The falsified test records endangered people, the environment, ocean fauna, fisheries, and tourism.
All these are felonious offenses.
Governments bureaucrats likely were involved as well.
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A major house cleaning is required.
All involved should be fired and prosecuted for gross malfeasance, and blacklisted, and never again be allowed to be employed in any industry.
. Treasonous Government Bureaucrats Bureau of Safety and Environment Enforcement, BSEE, (what a name for a useless bureau) wants to establish facts on the ground, by building wind turbine projects without rotors, so projects will be harder to cancel by sane people in early 2025.
SCIENCE IN BITS AND PIECES. The Scientific Process (please excuse my simple description) is basically detecting an anomaly, a signal, or a problem, then examining data associated with these signals and proposing a theory. Fanatics stop at this point and treat the theory as fact, usually reinforced by their friends and associates doing likewise. A Scientist should either collect or generate data relevant to the theory and devise a test of the theory. If the test refutes the theory we arrive at the Null Hypothesis. This process is lived out regularly by Geologists proposing the existence of large gold deposits, either the black or conventional yellow kind, then drilling a test hole directly through the proposed/theorized target. Confession: in this process I have sometimes arrived at the Null Hypothesis. Here’s the Bits and Pieces part. The test event may contain valid and useful data, some of it newly generated in developing the theory. So, every Null Hypothesis should not result in a discard of the data as the bits and pieces may directly result in formulation of the next theory leading to discovery. In the CAGW consideration we are seeing the generation of a lot of useful data and a lot of fabricated nonsense. We need to rescue the factual bits and pieces.
Of all the “factual bits and pieces” I consider the NOAA GOES band 16 images to be of gem quality, as I often post about in comments here at WUWT.
A full explanation is in the text description at this time-lapse video from last year. https://youtu.be/Yarzo13_TSE
strativarius
December 8, 2024 2:46 am
It’s too late to halt the climate crisis Nature is going to solve the problem by eliminating the modern human. – the Guardian
Really?
Saving ‘old and wise’ animals vital for species’ survival, say scientists – the Guardian
There is no burden on anyone to evidence someone else’s claim, no matter how much the claim might delight one. My intention was to provoke the OP into getting his data on the record here, for all to see. Besides, we don’t want end up rewarding the Grauniad with clicks because we all had to do our own searches.
Personally, if I’d bagged a trophy like that I’d want a picture of me standing with my boot on its dead carcass.
“Guardian” and “New Scientist” articles are the check-out aisle tabloid material of the new media. Unfortunately “Siri” pretends she isn’t smart enough to delete their stories from our news feeds.
The UAH update for November came out recently. It’s important to remember that these values are de-seasonalized anomalies. It is not a plot of the estimated global average temperature. Why does this matter? Because it can give the wrong impression about what is happening as the seasons pass.
So what? The surface of the planet as a whole warms and cools by about 3.8C every year, so the slow linear trend of warming computed from the UAH values (say 0.15C per decade or 0.015C per year since 1979) represents a tiny fraction of the real-time response of the surface to absorbed energy. Again, so what? It matters because it challenges the validity of attributing ANY of the detected warming trend to human causes, particularly to incremental CO2, CH4, and N2O. It does not seem reasonable to me to state with any confidence at all, that 1 part in about 250 of the annual warming must be caused by the rising concentrations of GHGs (by boosting the “warming” or inhibiting the “cooling”) when the remainder is obviously natural.
I like these plots which use the ERA5 values of the global average of the modeled 2-meter air temperature to get this point across. When the news repeats the “hottest year ever” nonsense for 2024, look at these plots for yourself. You can select World, NH, SH, Arctic, Antarctic, Tropics. https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/?dm_id=world
Sorry to rain on your parade David, but averaging temperatures, be it absolute temperatures or anomalies, is physically meaningless. Cold air has a higher density than warm air, and because of that cold air cools things more than warm air heats things up. This asymmetry in effect means that in general simple numeric averaging gives results that are too high.
And then you still have to factor in humidity and air pressure which can affect results either way. In a world where people talk about differences in hundredths of a degree, this is significant. Global averages are nonsense, and in many more ways than I highlight here.
I don’t disagree with your apparent point that temperature is a poor way to characterize what is happening to energy, and that a global average is not meaningful for diagnosis. But nevertheless, the “climate” movement claims harmful warming is indicated by the global average of surface temperature, and that the trend is driven by incremental GHGs. So my post responds to those claims on their own terms.
I’ll rain, a bit, on your parade, too. I live near the ridge of a steep hill facing south. We have a much different average temperature than the people across the street who live on a steep hill facing north. We both have much different temperatures than houses on the nearby crossroad which are facing east or west. (We’re in Texas’s Hill Country). That said, if there is truly a GLOBAL warming trend, we all should be seeing an increase in the averages of our temperatures if we were to measure them accurately enough and long enough to establish a statistically significant mean and variance. The point is that though an average temperature is meaningless for any of us, it can be adequate for determining an accurate trend in our temperatures.
So you’re banking on everyone using the same thermometers, all calibrated correctly, all read and recorded correctly at the same times, and none of them “adjusted”?
Any set of two or more numbers can be averaged. The issue is the value of the resulting number. I submit that intrinsic or extrinsic, properly measured temperatures over time can establish or dismiss a trend.
As this string of replies illustrates, I guess I need to do a better job of explaining the key point, so commenters might not so easily “lose the plot.”
I agree with mkelly. You can average two or more numbers in a phone book and that average is meaningless. If you measure temperature with a thermometer or something that acts like a thermometer, then you’re measuring an intensive property. Averaging intensive properties is meaningless.
“when the remainder is obviously natural.” meaning CO2 does not play a role in the arctic and antarctic, and in the tropics, etc.
It is a very weak IR photon absorber of mostly 15 micrometer photons, which at 16 C surface temperature, have a presence of 7%
CO2, 420 ppm (0.042% presence), a weak IR photon absorber, plays almost no role absorbing IR photons compared to water vapor, 17,700 ppm (1.7% presence near the surface, due to dew, fog, mist), a strong IR photon absorber, which absorbs much of IR surface photons via its many absorption windows.
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At 16 C surface temp, 15-micrometer photons are only 7% of all surface photons, which very much limits the absorption of such photons by CO2, because far more abundant WV also has a 15-mictometer window. https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hunga-tonga-volcanic-eruption https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/natural-forces-cause-periodic-global-warming
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Any IR photons not absorbed by WV lose their energy by collision with hugely abundant air molecules.
Almost all IR surface photons are exterminated about 10 meter from the surface.
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WV, being light, 18 MW, compared to air, 29 MW, rises until about 2000 m, where cooler temperatures condense it into clouds. WV ppm is greatly decreased from about 17,700 ppm near the surface to about 800 ppm at 5500 meter.
CO2 does not play any meaningful role regarding IR photon absorption, until WV ppm is greatly reduced, which is above the clouds
Any higher-altitude IR photons are colder, have less energy, have longer wavelengths that mostly are beyond the 15-micrometer absorption window of CO2.
Any such IR photons not absorbed by CO2, may:
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1) lose their energy by collision with hugely abundant air molecules, which are spaced far apart, due to low density, or
2) travel towards outer space, or
3) travel towards earth.
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In all instances, this IR photon activity above the clouds has a very small impact, compared to IR photon impact at the surface, which, each day, evaporates and lifts huge quantities of WV to about 2000 m, especially in the tropics and sub-tropics.
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The tropics and sub-tropics are the engine of world’s weather.
Any harm to rainforests, due to clearcutting, extinguishes its flora and fauna
Clearcutting rain forests for ranching and crops 1) decreases the beneficial evaporation of former rain forest areas, and 2) causes more sunlight on clearcut areas, both of which have contributed to increased world temperatures, likely more than CO2 ever will.
““when the remainder is obviously natural.” meaning CO2 does not play a role in the arctic and antarctic, and in the tropics, etc.” Just to be clear, when I said, “the remainder” I meant that after considering the long term trend of 0.015C per year to be 1 part in 250 (approx) of the 3.8C annual cycle of warming/cooling for the “world”, the remainder is 249 parts.
One response to “Hundreds Of Millions In Subsidies For German Gigafactory In Jeopardy As Northvolt Files Chapter 11” “Yes, as we can see, philosophy is a great qualification for Engineering, Science and Financial decisions.”
Quondam
December 8, 2024 3:55 am
Déjà Vu Again
William Thomson, (Lord Kelvin, 1st Baron of Largs), may well claim to be the progenitor of Climate Existentialism. In 1862, he was first to propose atmospheric thermal gradients could be explained by an isentropic model of a humid troposphere he titled, “Convective Equilibrium”. Although never properly credited, it is this model which sets the cornerstone for all models of existential catastrophe – the adiabatic lapse rate. https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/39422#page/178/mode/1up
In 1898, Kelvin was first to forecast that the increasing use of fossil fuels would render the atmosphere unsuitable for human survival in a matter of centuries. But, he failed to realize global population would appreciate five-fold in the ensuing century, making his dire predictions of current urgency. https://zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/end_of_free_oxygen.html
Kelvin was undoubtedly a titan, but he also provided plenty of examples why one should not risk making appeals to authority. His views on X-rays and radio being just two garish examples.
South Australia shows the future of “renewable” energy in Australia.
The State has installed wind capacity of 2,763MW in wind farms and 587MW of solar farms. The minimum demand for the region today was 42MW. So there is 3,350MW of installed grid scale generation fighting over 42MW of demand. The prices went to MINUS $236/MWh to force the “renewables” to voluntarily offload.
South Australians have the highest uptake of rooftop solar in the world and there is enough of that to push out all the grid scale intermittent generation. The cashed up rooftop owners are now using batteries and are leaving the grid to those stuck with it.
Mainland Australia is close to unique in its solar resource. Almost every suburban rooftop gets enough sunlight to run the household off rooftop solar.
If the government does not wake up soon there will be an unreliable, expensive grid only serving those who cannot muster the capital to leave the grid. All the costs of “renewables”, batteries, Snowy 2, synchronous condensers, tens of thousands of kilometres of new transmission lines, smart meters, 20+ MW of new OCGT and hordes of system operators managing the complexity will be spread across an ever diminishing consumer base.
Most households in Australia can do quite well with under 10kWh per day using modern electric appliances. The capital outlay for say 10kW of solar panels and a 20kWh battery to meet that demand under adverse conditions is not not a lot to pay for a future without electricity bills. Very few people in Australia actually experience freezing conditions. Lack of heating is not a life threatening risk. Refrigeration is probably the most important household and commercial electrical load and it needs reasonably reliable supply to avoid food spoilage.
Chris Wright, President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee for energy secretary, says that climate change poses only a modest threat to humanity. The biggest U.S. oil companies disagree.
A fracking executive, Wright acknowledges that burning fossil fuels is contributing to rising temperatures. But he also says climate change makes the planet greener by increasing plant growth, boosts agricultural productivity and likely reduces the number of temperature-related deaths annually.
“It’s probably almost as many positive changes as there are negative changes,” he told conservative media nonprofit PragerU last year, referring to climate change. “Is it a crisis, is it the world’s greatest challenge, or a big threat to the next generation? No.”
Trump has repeatedly called climate change a hoax but hasn’t articulated his views in detail. The selection of Wright is one of the clearest indicators yet that the next administration is likely to push back on widely accepted scientific findings about climate change.
Much worse than that, they have the resources to ‘comply’, e.g., ‘carbon sequestration’, that their smaller competitors don’t have, hence allowing them to increase profits on the higher prices resulting from the government’s mandated scarcity. In other words, just another case of the regulatory capture that has been observed in the US since the beginning of the Progressive Era over 100 years ago.
Atmospheric CO2 ppm, human plus natural, it is near the lowest level in 600 million years.
Highly subsidized CO2 sequestering schemes and Net Zero by 2050 schemes are super-expensive, ineffective suicide programs.
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Crops in open fields, with CO2 at 420 ppm, require fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and much machinery to have high yields/acre.
Crops in greenhouses, with CO2 at 1200 ppm, require minimal chemicals, have 2 to 3 times higher yields/acre
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Many plants have become weak or extinct, along with the fauna they support, due to CO2 at 420 ppm, or less.
As a result, many areas of the world lost resilience, became arid and deserts.
Current CO2 ppm needs to at least double or triple. Unfortunately, not enough fossil fuel is left over to make that CO2 increase happen. . Earth temperature increased about 1.2 C since 1900, due to many causes, such as long-term cycles, fossil CO2, and permafrost methane which converts to CO2.
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CO2 ppm increase from 1979 to 2023 was 421/336 = 1.25, greening increase about 12%, per NASA.
CO2 ppm increase from 1900 to 2023 was 421/296 = 1.42, greening increase about 19%
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Increased greening: 1) Produces oxygen by photosynthesis; 2) Increases world flora and fauna; 3) Increases crop yields per acre; 4) Reduces world desert areas
. Energy-related CO2 was 37.55 Gt, or 4.8 ppm in 2023, about 75% of total human CO2.
One CO2 ppm in atmosphere = 7.821 Gt. Total human CO2 was 4.8/0.75 = 6.4 ppm in 2023. See URLs
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CO2, human plus natural, to atmosphere was 421.08 ppm, end 2023 – 418.53, end 2022 = 2.55 ppm; to oceans 2.3 ppm (assumed); to forests and other sinks 1.55 ppm; natural CO2 increase is assumed at zero.
Forests net CO2 absorption = absorption 15.6 Gt – emission 8.1 Gt = 7.6 Gt = 1 ppm https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-satellites-help-quantify-forests-impacts-on-the-global-carbon-budget/ . Mauna Loa curve shows a variation of about 9 ppm during a year, due to seasons Inside buildings, CO2 is about 1000 ppm, greenhouses about 1200 ppm, submarines up to 5000 ppm
Emma Pinchbeck, the elfin student of Classics and inexplicably the CEO of the UK’s Climate Change Committee, is moving her lips again. This time it is the BBC that has drawn her into making statements manifestly outside her competence, viz: the UK is “off track” and must do more do prepare for scenarios like flooding and intense heat.
Presumably this interview was occassioned by the crummy weather over the weekend. (I am not joking. I woke up to find a garden chair had been blown over.)
Also presumably, the BBC was eager to burnish her profile and importance. The fatuous contents of her head were not required in order to provide balance and impartiality.
Here in NE Wales the “crummy weather” resulted in electricity only available on Saturday from 10am to 11am and 8pm to 10pm. No electricity after that until after 7pm on Sunday and minor outages over night and on Monday morning.
A group of Korean polar scientists have made the astonishing discovery that summer temperatures in Antarctica plunged by a massive 1°C in just 20 years from 1979-1999 and have since been on pause.
The cleanest of the new vessels spearheading wind’s embryonic revival are almost pure-sail vessels like Grain de Sail II. Half the length of a soccer field and able to carry 350 tons of goods in its holds
350 tons compared to tens of thousands in a modern bulk carrier, thus vastly more expensive to operate, and the fuel savings will never make up the difference.
Sail power simply cannot scale up to the size needed to be remotely economic.
Reminds me of a tv programme I saw a few years ago about a rich Icelander building a large facility to mine bitcoins on hundreds of computers using the country’s cheap geothermal power.
I hear that our communist regime in the UK is going to try battery vehicles for the army. Trials for electric construction plant didn’t go to well. They couldn’t last half a day. Imagine a heavy armoured vehicle. The battery life would be dire. A huge heavy battery struck by a shell would be very dramatic. The toxic smoke if blowing towards the enemy could be handy though. I think we need men in white coats as a matter of urgency.
“I hear that our communist regime in the UK is going to try battery vehicles for the army.”
Can you imagine the British Army sending a letter to the commander of the enemy forces asking him to please hold off with the upcoming battle because your army tank batteries are still recharging?
And by the way, are there any recharging stations on the battlefield?
Don’t worry, we don’t really have an army
And by the way, are there any recharging stations on the battlefield?
Massive DIESEL generators, of course ! 😉
Wouldn’t it simply be easier to build the diesels into the vehicles? Oh, no… that’s not green!
That’s ok, they can spend the time at their local Tesco getting their groceries. Because with the range a battery-powered tank is likely to have, that’s as far from base as they’re likely to get.
They will all be ‘Hybrids’. They will carry their own generators.
So why bother with the batteries at all?
Stealth? They would be quieter.
The ‘camp followers’ will be selling PV electricity while providing other ‘comforts’ while waiting for the tank batteries to charge.
I have read that in days of yore battles were paused to straighten swords. Ah, those were the days.
In the Ukraine some 80% or electricity generation is off line due to being targeted, fat lot of good electric tanks would be in that situation.
That would be worse, if they had highly subsidized, super-expensive, weather-dependent, grid-disturbing wind and solar in the mix
The Bidenistas made this idiocy a goal for the US Army at one point, haven’t about it for a while though.
The UK needs the equivalent of Trump to be in charge to throw the elites of the Tory’s and Labor out and debilitate/lobotomize them to have them never rule again.
At present, both elites are ruining the UK to become the very sicko man of Europe
The UK people deserve much better than these two!
I thought that a requirement to run for parliament was a certificate of lobotomization.
Ban the Expensive, Dysfunctional Offshore Wind Turbine Fiasco
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/ban-the-dysfunctional-offshore-wind-turbine-fiasco
by Willem Post
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Eliminate all subsidies of any kind for all industries, etc.
Federal government spending would be reduced by several hundred $billion each year
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Rotor Blade Test Requirements
Regarding the disintegrating rotor blades in Cape Cod, ultrasonic testing is fine, radiological testing is fine, but field testing of fully instrumented, 351-ft long, rotor blades on a mast, in a windy area of the North Sea, for at least one year, is the most important and vital part, which Quebec GE executives decided to “omit” to expedite delivery of rotor blades.
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These rotor blades are about three times as long as an airplane wing of a Boeing-747.
Nobody with a sane mind would ever “omit” field testing, including bend and torsion testing.
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Torsional Failure Issues Date Back to 1997
LM Wind Power, formerly LM Glasfiber, is a Danish manufacturer of wind turbine blades, had blade cracking issues, due to torsion, as far back as 1997
Blade cracks signal new stress problem, preventative investment needed on turbines with large LM blades
That was 27 years ago.
That involved Danish-built, 19 m blades at that time
The Cape Cod blades are 107 m
A rotor with 107 m blades scribes a circle of about 600 ft diameter
The wind speeds significantly vary from top to bottom, and from side to side
That 107 m blade sees all sorts of wind speeds, as it rotates, bends and twists, unlike the much smaller airplane wing of a 747
General Electric Bought LM Wind Power in 2016
The 107 m prototype, GE-LM blade,
never had a one-year field test in a rough ocean environment, and
never had a torsion test at the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center, because it was cut in two parts to fit in the building.
Torsion testing predicts a material’s behavior under twisting forces as one unit.
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107 m Rotor Blade Failure
On July 13, 2024, a Vineyard Wind blade broke off Nantucket sending 60 tons of microfibers, fiberglass, and balsa wood into the ocean and onto beaches, damaging fisheries and tourism for many months, if not years
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What were these GE executives thinking?
How in hell did they get into these top positions?
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Falsifying Test Records
GE Quebec personnel falsified rotor test data, to expedite delivery, instead of admitting the design is a Rube Goldberg
The falsified test records endangered people, the environment, ocean fauna, fisheries, and tourism.
All these are felonious offenses.
Governments bureaucrats likely were involved as well.
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A major house cleaning is required.
All involved should be fired and prosecuted for gross malfeasance, and blacklisted, and never again be allowed to be employed in any industry.
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Treasonous Government Bureaucrats
Bureau of Safety and Environment Enforcement, BSEE, (what a name for a useless bureau) wants to establish facts on the ground, by building wind turbine projects without rotors, so projects will be harder to cancel by sane people in early 2025.
“Nobody with a sane mind” Aye, there’s the rub.
Going to have to cut down all the balsa trees in the Amazon rainforest to save the environment.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/10/27/cnn-proposes-climate-friendly-battery-powered-military-vehicles/
SCIENCE IN BITS AND PIECES. The Scientific Process (please excuse my simple description) is basically detecting an anomaly, a signal, or a problem, then examining data associated with these signals and proposing a theory. Fanatics stop at this point and treat the theory as fact, usually reinforced by their friends and associates doing likewise. A Scientist should either collect or generate data relevant to the theory and devise a test of the theory. If the test refutes the theory we arrive at the Null Hypothesis. This process is lived out regularly by Geologists proposing the existence of large gold deposits, either the black or conventional yellow kind, then drilling a test hole directly through the proposed/theorized target. Confession: in this process I have sometimes arrived at the Null Hypothesis. Here’s the Bits and Pieces part. The test event may contain valid and useful data, some of it newly generated in developing the theory. So, every Null Hypothesis should not result in a discard of the data as the bits and pieces may directly result in formulation of the next theory leading to discovery. In the CAGW consideration we are seeing the generation of a lot of useful data and a lot of fabricated nonsense. We need to rescue the factual bits and pieces.
Of all the “factual bits and pieces” I consider the NOAA GOES band 16 images to be of gem quality, as I often post about in comments here at WUWT.
A full explanation is in the text description at this time-lapse video from last year.
https://youtu.be/Yarzo13_TSE
It’s too late to halt the climate crisis Nature is going to solve the problem by eliminating the modern human. – the Guardian
Really?
Saving ‘old and wise’ animals vital for species’ survival, say scientists – the Guardian
Shurely shome mishtake?
Quite. That is beyond deranged.
Pics please, or it didn’t happen.
Nullius in verba
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2024/dec/01/its-too-late-to-halt-the-climate-crisis
I mean, it took all of 10 seconds for Brave (search engine) to find it.
Uh-huh.
Perhaps my point was too subtly expressed.
There is no burden on anyone to evidence someone else’s claim, no matter how much the claim might delight one. My intention was to provoke the OP into getting his data on the record here, for all to see. Besides, we don’t want end up rewarding the Grauniad with clicks because we all had to do our own searches.
Personally, if I’d bagged a trophy like that I’d want a picture of me standing with my boot on its dead carcass.
Fair point.
You know the source, if you can’t join the dots they’ll probably give you a job.
Government “healthcare” seems to be giving nature an assist.
As long as it’s only ” modern” humans being eliminated, I’m ok with that.
By “modern”, I take it they mean “progressive”.
Nope… the ever-encroaching World War, presented to you by the American See-eye-eh? will eliminate the ‘modern’? human.
The CIA is too busy trying to undermine Trump.
The CIA needs a lot of reform. It’s coming in about 45 days.
“Guardian” and “New Scientist” articles are the check-out aisle tabloid material of the new media. Unfortunately “Siri” pretends she isn’t smart enough to delete their stories from our news feeds.
The UAH update for November came out recently. It’s important to remember that these values are de-seasonalized anomalies. It is not a plot of the estimated global average temperature. Why does this matter? Because it can give the wrong impression about what is happening as the seasons pass.
So what? The surface of the planet as a whole warms and cools by about 3.8C every year, so the slow linear trend of warming computed from the UAH values (say 0.15C per decade or 0.015C per year since 1979) represents a tiny fraction of the real-time response of the surface to absorbed energy. Again, so what? It matters because it challenges the validity of attributing ANY of the detected warming trend to human causes, particularly to incremental CO2, CH4, and N2O. It does not seem reasonable to me to state with any confidence at all, that 1 part in about 250 of the annual warming must be caused by the rising concentrations of GHGs (by boosting the “warming” or inhibiting the “cooling”) when the remainder is obviously natural.
I like these plots which use the ERA5 values of the global average of the modeled 2-meter air temperature to get this point across. When the news repeats the “hottest year ever” nonsense for 2024, look at these plots for yourself. You can select World, NH, SH, Arctic, Antarctic, Tropics.
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/?dm_id=world
Sorry to rain on your parade David, but averaging temperatures, be it absolute temperatures or anomalies, is physically meaningless. Cold air has a higher density than warm air, and because of that cold air cools things more than warm air heats things up. This asymmetry in effect means that in general simple numeric averaging gives results that are too high.
And then you still have to factor in humidity and air pressure which can affect results either way. In a world where people talk about differences in hundredths of a degree, this is significant. Global averages are nonsense, and in many more ways than I highlight here.
I don’t disagree with your apparent point that temperature is a poor way to characterize what is happening to energy, and that a global average is not meaningful for diagnosis. But nevertheless, the “climate” movement claims harmful warming is indicated by the global average of surface temperature, and that the trend is driven by incremental GHGs. So my post responds to those claims on their own terms.
I’ll rain, a bit, on your parade, too. I live near the ridge of a steep hill facing south. We have a much different average temperature than the people across the street who live on a steep hill facing north. We both have much different temperatures than houses on the nearby crossroad which are facing east or west. (We’re in Texas’s Hill Country). That said, if there is truly a GLOBAL warming trend, we all should be seeing an increase in the averages of our temperatures if we were to measure them accurately enough and long enough to establish a statistically significant mean and variance. The point is that though an average temperature is meaningless for any of us, it can be adequate for determining an accurate trend in our temperatures.
So you’re banking on everyone using the same thermometers, all calibrated correctly, all read and recorded correctly at the same times, and none of them “adjusted”?
Pristine probity – I’d like to see that.
Nope. Temperature is an intensive property and cannot be averaged. You cannot pick and choose which physics rules you’re going to follow.
Any set of two or more numbers can be averaged. The issue is the value of the resulting number. I submit that intrinsic or extrinsic, properly measured temperatures over time can establish or dismiss a trend.
Nope.
As long as they possess the same units.
As this string of replies illustrates, I guess I need to do a better job of explaining the key point, so commenters might not so easily “lose the plot.”
I agree with mkelly. You can average two or more numbers in a phone book and that average is meaningless. If you measure temperature with a thermometer or something that acts like a thermometer, then you’re measuring an intensive property. Averaging intensive properties is meaningless.
Yep, the probity of GAT is preposterous.
Yet it is the single metric upon which all of climate “science” is hung.
Indeed so.
“when the remainder is obviously natural.” meaning CO2 does not play a role in the arctic and antarctic, and in the tropics, etc.
It is a very weak IR photon absorber of mostly 15 micrometer photons, which at 16 C surface temperature, have a presence of 7%
CO2, 420 ppm (0.042% presence), a weak IR photon absorber, plays almost no role absorbing IR photons compared to water vapor, 17,700 ppm (1.7% presence near the surface, due to dew, fog, mist), a strong IR photon absorber, which absorbs much of IR surface photons via its many absorption windows.
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At 16 C surface temp, 15-micrometer photons are only 7% of all surface photons, which very much limits the absorption of such photons by CO2, because far more abundant WV also has a 15-mictometer window.
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hunga-tonga-volcanic-eruption
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/natural-forces-cause-periodic-global-warming
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Any IR photons not absorbed by WV lose their energy by collision with hugely abundant air molecules.
Almost all IR surface photons are exterminated about 10 meter from the surface.
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WV, being light, 18 MW, compared to air, 29 MW, rises until about 2000 m, where cooler temperatures condense it into clouds. WV ppm is greatly decreased from about 17,700 ppm near the surface to about 800 ppm at 5500 meter.
CO2 does not play any meaningful role regarding IR photon absorption, until WV ppm is greatly reduced, which is above the clouds
Any higher-altitude IR photons are colder, have less energy, have longer wavelengths that mostly are beyond the 15-micrometer absorption window of CO2.
Any such IR photons not absorbed by CO2, may:
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1) lose their energy by collision with hugely abundant air molecules, which are spaced far apart, due to low density, or
2) travel towards outer space, or
3) travel towards earth.
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In all instances, this IR photon activity above the clouds has a very small impact, compared to IR photon impact at the surface, which, each day, evaporates and lifts huge quantities of WV to about 2000 m, especially in the tropics and sub-tropics.
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The tropics and sub-tropics are the engine of world’s weather.
Any harm to rainforests, due to clearcutting, extinguishes its flora and fauna
Clearcutting rain forests for ranching and crops 1) decreases the beneficial evaporation of former rain forest areas, and 2) causes more sunlight on clearcut areas, both of which have contributed to increased world temperatures, likely more than CO2 ever will.
““when the remainder is obviously natural.” meaning CO2 does not play a role in the arctic and antarctic, and in the tropics, etc.”
Just to be clear, when I said, “the remainder” I meant that after considering the long term trend of 0.015C per year to be 1 part in 250 (approx) of the 3.8C annual cycle of warming/cooling for the “world”, the remainder is 249 parts.
Oh dear, what a pity !!
Hundreds Of Millions In Subsidies For German Gigafactory In Jeopardy As Northvolt Files Chapter 11
Pity?
Foolishness, from the beginning, institutional, nothing else.
Pity? ..
Was my attempt at sarcasm. 😉
I imagine most readers ‘got it’.
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“Yes, as we can see, philosophy is a great qualification for Engineering, Science and Financial decisions.”
Déjà Vu Again
William Thomson, (Lord Kelvin, 1st Baron of Largs), may well claim to be the progenitor of Climate Existentialism. In 1862, he was first to propose atmospheric thermal gradients could be explained by an isentropic model of a humid troposphere he titled, “Convective Equilibrium”. Although never properly credited, it is this model which sets the cornerstone for all models of existential catastrophe – the adiabatic lapse rate.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/39422#page/178/mode/1up
In 1898, Kelvin was first to forecast that the increasing use of fossil fuels would render the atmosphere unsuitable for human survival in a matter of centuries. But, he failed to realize global population would appreciate five-fold in the ensuing century, making his dire predictions of current urgency.
https://zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/end_of_free_oxygen.html
Kelvin was undoubtedly a titan, but he also provided plenty of examples why one should not risk making appeals to authority. His views on X-rays and radio being just two garish examples.
Yes, while the good Lord advanced thermodynamics, it seems as though he was ignorant of photosynthesis as most were.
pretty obvious he was probably on about urban smog.
South Australia shows the future of “renewable” energy in Australia.
The State has installed wind capacity of 2,763MW in wind farms and 587MW of solar farms. The minimum demand for the region today was 42MW. So there is 3,350MW of installed grid scale generation fighting over 42MW of demand. The prices went to MINUS $236/MWh to force the “renewables” to voluntarily offload.
South Australians have the highest uptake of rooftop solar in the world and there is enough of that to push out all the grid scale intermittent generation. The cashed up rooftop owners are now using batteries and are leaving the grid to those stuck with it.
Mainland Australia is close to unique in its solar resource. Almost every suburban rooftop gets enough sunlight to run the household off rooftop solar.
If the government does not wake up soon there will be an unreliable, expensive grid only serving those who cannot muster the capital to leave the grid. All the costs of “renewables”, batteries, Snowy 2, synchronous condensers, tens of thousands of kilometres of new transmission lines, smart meters, 20+ MW of new OCGT and hordes of system operators managing the complexity will be spread across an ever diminishing consumer base.
Most households in Australia can do quite well with under 10kWh per day using modern electric appliances. The capital outlay for say 10kW of solar panels and a 20kWh battery to meet that demand under adverse conditions is not not a lot to pay for a future without electricity bills. Very few people in Australia actually experience freezing conditions. Lack of heating is not a life threatening risk. Refrigeration is probably the most important household and commercial electrical load and it needs reasonably reliable supply to avoid food spoilage.
and what about the significant numbers of households that are multi-storey flats, condos, apartments?
The lower storeys get to hang their solar panels out of their windows?
In South Oz…. Adelaide…. The place is hardly the gold coast.
Some say it would be nicer if it had a city nearby.
Careful – I have a few old friends from Adelaide.
(note that I said “from Adelaide”. That all moved away decades ago)
Yep, SA doesn’t really “do much” or “make much”.
Its usage is quite small compared to the big states.
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The How-Dare-You special-needs child is at it again…
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/12/08/greta-thunberg-yells-fk-germany-fk-israel-at-pro-palestine-rally/
Clearly climate activism isn’t paying what it used to.
Trump’s Energy Secretary Pick Preaches the Benefits of Climate Change
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/who-is-chris-wright-trump-energy-secretary-9eb617dc?mod=hp_lead_pos4
So some big oil companies don’t agree? Probably because these cowards are so terrified of being sued- they feel they need to say that.
Much worse than that, they have the resources to ‘comply’, e.g., ‘carbon sequestration’, that their smaller competitors don’t have, hence allowing them to increase profits on the higher prices resulting from the government’s mandated scarcity. In other words, just another case of the regulatory capture that has been observed in the US since the beginning of the Progressive Era over 100 years ago.
Atmospheric CO2 ppm, human plus natural, it is near the lowest level in 600 million years.
Highly subsidized CO2 sequestering schemes and Net Zero by 2050 schemes are super-expensive, ineffective suicide programs.
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Crops in open fields, with CO2 at 420 ppm, require fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and much machinery to have high yields/acre.
Crops in greenhouses, with CO2 at 1200 ppm, require minimal chemicals, have 2 to 3 times higher yields/acre
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Many plants have become weak or extinct, along with the fauna they support, due to CO2 at 420 ppm, or less.
As a result, many areas of the world lost resilience, became arid and deserts.
Current CO2 ppm needs to at least double or triple. Unfortunately, not enough fossil fuel is left over to make that CO2 increase happen.
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Earth temperature increased about 1.2 C since 1900, due to many causes, such as long-term cycles, fossil CO2, and permafrost methane which converts to CO2.
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CO2 ppm increase from 1979 to 2023 was 421/336 = 1.25, greening increase about 12%, per NASA.
CO2 ppm increase from 1900 to 2023 was 421/296 = 1.42, greening increase about 19%
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Increased greening: 1) Produces oxygen by photosynthesis; 2) Increases world flora and fauna; 3) Increases crop yields per acre; 4) Reduces world desert areas
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Energy-related CO2 was 37.55 Gt, or 4.8 ppm in 2023, about 75% of total human CO2.
One CO2 ppm in atmosphere = 7.821 Gt.
Total human CO2 was 4.8/0.75 = 6.4 ppm in 2023. See URLs
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CO2, human plus natural, to atmosphere was 421.08 ppm, end 2023 – 418.53, end 2022 = 2.55 ppm; to oceans 2.3 ppm (assumed); to forests and other sinks 1.55 ppm; natural CO2 increase is assumed at zero.
Forests net CO2 absorption = absorption 15.6 Gt – emission 8.1 Gt = 7.6 Gt = 1 ppm
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-satellites-help-quantify-forests-impacts-on-the-global-carbon-budget/
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Mauna Loa curve shows a variation of about 9 ppm during a year, due to seasons
Inside buildings, CO2 is about 1000 ppm, greenhouses about 1200 ppm, submarines up to 5000 ppm
Emma Pinchbeck, the elfin student of Classics and inexplicably the CEO of the UK’s Climate Change Committee, is moving her lips again. This time it is the BBC that has drawn her into making statements manifestly outside her competence, viz: the UK is “off track” and must do more do prepare for scenarios like flooding and intense heat.
Presumably this interview was occassioned by the crummy weather over the weekend. (I am not joking. I woke up to find a garden chair had been blown over.)
Also presumably, the BBC was eager to burnish her profile and importance. The fatuous contents of her head were not required in order to provide balance and impartiality.
Is she closely elated to camela? more ‘interbreeding’ somewhere along the crooked line?
Here in NE Wales the “crummy weather” resulted in electricity only available on Saturday from 10am to 11am and 8pm to 10pm. No electricity after that until after 7pm on Sunday and minor outages over night and on Monday morning.
From the good folks at The Daily Sceptic:
Dramatic 1°C Plunge Recorded in Recent Antarctica Summer Temperatures
“Dramatic” “massive 1°C”
Really?
Another ice free Artic prediction, this time within our lifetime!
https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/arctic/ominous-milestone-for-the-planet-arctic-oceans-1st-ice-free-day-could-be-just-3-years-away-alarming-study-finds
The first arctic ice free day has already occurred many times perhaps most recently only some 6000 years ago. In any case, I’d like to make a wager.
Hilarious how many pieces of total FALLACY there are in the link.
For example, they say Arctic sea ice is reducing at 12.5% per decade, ..
.. but the Arctic sea ice extent has been basically zero trend for nearly 2 decades.
Don’t blame CO2, blame Mars bringing us closer to the sun?
https://www.earth.com/news/mars-gravity-pulls-earth-closer-to-the-sun-warming-our-climate-scientists-say/
Guess that Leaded Gasoline was the cause of all mental problems through the years:
https://www.iflscience.com/leaded-gasoline-was-responsible-for-150-million-cases-of-psychiatric-disorders-in-america-alone-77087
Question is, why does it only affect Democrat voters !?
Sniffing glue isn’t a Republican thing.
But now it is junk food, climate anxiety and various medications.
Some of us knew not to drink it. The others, well what can you do. Call Darwin.
A step backwards with old fashion sails?
I know they work, but trying to use them for 70% of navigation seems like a pipe dream.
https://apnews.com/article/climate-clean-shipping-sail-carbon-emissions-environment-0c191cb3674e157e66f65c8e58e7c0ce
350 tons compared to tens of thousands in a modern bulk carrier, thus vastly more expensive to operate, and the fuel savings will never make up the difference.
Sail power simply cannot scale up to the size needed to be remotely economic.
Modern container ships can carry 20,000+ 20 foot containers.
How many thousands of sail vessels would be needed to match just one modern container ship?
Some people live in la la land.
A match made in Ethereal Hell, Bitcoin mining and a dedicated wind farm:
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/bitcoin-miner-texas-power-energy-19964243.php
Do they turn off the mining computers when the rotors stop spinning?
Reminds me of a tv programme I saw a few years ago about a rich Icelander building a large facility to mine bitcoins on hundreds of computers using the country’s cheap geothermal power.