What President Trump’s Landslide Election Victory Means for Science

Guest “Somebody call a wambulance” by David Middleton

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  • 06 November 2024

‘We need to be ready for a new world’: scientists globally react to Trump election win

Trump’s decisive defeat of Kamala Harris spurs fear about the future of the United States among many researchers.

Scientists around the world expressed disappointment and alarm as Republican Donald Trump won the final votes needed to secure the US presidency in the early hours of 6 November. Owing to Trump’s anti-science rhetoric and actions during his last term in office, many are now bracing for four years of attacks on scientists inside and outside the government.

“In my long life of 82 years … there has hardly been a day when I felt more sad,” says Fraser Stoddart, a Nobel laureate who left the United States last year…

[…]

Worries pouring in this morning align with those expressed by the majority of readers who responded last month to a survey conducted by Nature. Eighty-six per-cent of the more than 2,000 people who answered the poll said that they favoured Harris, owing to concerns including climate change, public health and the state of US democracy. Some even said they would consider changing where they live or study if Trump won.

[…]

Nature

“Some … said they would consider changing where they live or study if Trump won.”

“Well… bye”

Maybe this is the problem…

Eighty-six per-cent of the more than 2,000 people who answered the poll said that they favoured Harris…

This seems to imply that there was damn near one of those 95% scientific consensus thingies. I’m a scientist, a geologist, and I wasn’t surveyed. However, I’m fairly certain that the several dozen geoscientists and engineers I work with every day, would have expressed more than 85% support for President Trump. It all depends on who you ask.

Maybe these “scientists” need some therapy puppies

“Bonnie and Clyde” are ready and willing to help out.

Deal with it

Four years ago, we had to deal with the results of the shamdemic* and the 2020 coup d’état.

(*Shamdemic: government-imposed economic lockdowns and other tyrannical measures in response to ChiCom-19.)

Biden had literally promised to destroy our oil & gas industry and spent the next four years trying to deliver on that promise. We had to deal with that reality. He failed largely due to our victories in court, the resilience of our industry and the fact that the Marcellus Shale and most of the Permian Basin are under state and privately owned lands.

The silver lining to the shamdemic

They used the shamdemic to wage a tyrannical war on individual liberty. This assault on liberty changed our nation’s political dynamic. In 2020, could anyone have imagined that such a diverse a political alliance would form around Donald Trump? J.D. “Hillbilly Elegy” Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, Dana White, Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock and now… Joe Rogan? I used to ridicule many of those people. Now they are heroes to me.

(Truth Social / realdonaldtrump)

The Trump II administration will make science great again.

Making energy great again

Trump vows to cut energy costs in half — and he has a real plan to do it

By  Post Editorial Board

Published Aug. 29, 2024

[…]

He’ll “slash red tape,” ramp up approvals of new power plants, spur nuclear energy, and roll back Democrats’ fossil-fuel restrictions.

Hear, hear! It’s the all-of-the-above strategy that led the nation to become in Trump’s first term.

And it would once again yield huge gains not just for America, but the entire Free World.

As former Interior Secretary David Bernhardt made clear on a campaign press call, such plans are vital to future prosperity.

“Between soaring demand and retiring coal, we are facing a great [energy] capacity shortfall of at least 30% by 2032,” Bernhardt warned — arguing that Team Harris-Walz can’t make up the difference thanks to “their net zero vision.” 

Democrats are too obsessed with reducing carbon emissions, and so block not only new gas- and oil-drilling, but also new pipelines, refineries, fossil-fuel power plants (and cars and stoves and heating) and so on.

Under Trump’s plan, Bernhardt predicted, “every manufacturing plant, every data center, every semiconductor facility and assembly line will want to be built in America — because America will be the place where the cost of energy is lower than anywhere else on Earth.”

Those lower costs will help rein in inflation in America as well: After all, energy — electricity for manufacturing or oil for transportation — accounts for a hefty share of the cost of nearly every product.

[…]

New York Post

While I don’t see a pathway to cutting energy costs in half, relative to where they are today, ditching the Paris Accord and net-zero mandates will undoubtedly lead to much lower energy costs than the current trajectory. Making energy more abundant and affordable will lead to greater prosperity, which will make more funding available for real science.

To the “scientists” fretting about Trump and his allies:

“You ain’t seen nothing yet!”

Watching the Starship booster rocket land on the launch pad was like all of my favorite 196’s space movies and TV shows become a reality.

The fact that Elon’s Starship looks just like Fireball XL5 makes this even more priceless!

Trump & Musk: Ad Astra!

Mars quest: President Trump and Elon Musk’s grand vision 

by Greg Autry and Brett Mecum, opinion contributors – 09/28/24

In September of 1962, John F. Kennedy famously told Americans, “We choose to go to the Moon.” Former President Donald Trump recently echoed this sentiment with “Elon, get those rocket ships going because we want to reach Mars.” 

Trump has often talked about reaching Mars. We find his new challenge to be a continuation of the fruitful space initiatives of his first administration, complementary to the bold return to the moon under Artemis. 

[…]

There would be two launch windows for an efficient Mars mission during a second Trump administration — in 2026 and 2028. The remaining requirements are technical and political.

[…]

When SpaceX first launched a Falcon 9 rocket in 2010, America held a big, fat zero percent of the global commercial launch market today. Today, most payloads are launched by SpaceX, which now flies more rockets than the entire planet did in 2010.

In 2010 there were about 1,000 active satellites in orbit. Today, Musk’s Starlink constellation operates more than six times that number, more than the rest of the commercial, military and governmental world combined.  

Trump’s space record is equally intimidating. No president has had a greater overall impact on U.S. space policy. Trump reestablished the National Space Council. He created the Space Force. He initiated NASA’s return to the moon under Artemis. 

[…]

We have no doubt that Starships will be standing on Mars by 2029 if the government doesn’t get in Musk’s way. After several test flights, Starship is looking capable, and landing one on Mars is easier in some ways than the moon mission that NASA has contracted it for. 

[…]

To achieve that, the second Trump administration must immediately streamline and simplify launch permit and license requirements. Musk has noted that launching each Starship requires “multiple fish licenses,” on top of FAA safety reviews. Requiring each launch to clear several hurdles is a waste of time we cannot afford in a globally competitive market.

[…]

America has always been at its best facing a crisis or a challenge. When we have the will, we have always found bold leaders able to answer the clarion call. Trump and Musk are ready to go: Are we? 

Greg Autry served as White House liaison to NASA in the Trump administration and is the co-author of “Red Moon Rising: How America Will Beat China on the Final Frontier.”  Brett Mecum serves on the Arizona Space Commission.

The Hill

Returning to the Moon and a manned mission to Mars… I can’t think of a better way to make science great again! So… Let’s…

Make Space Great Again!

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Reference

Tollefson, Jeff. ‘We need to be ready for a new world’: scientists globally react to Trump election win. Nature. Springer Nature. Nov 6, 2024

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November 7, 2024 10:17 am

“Trump’s Landslide Election Victory”

While there’s no “official” definition of a “landslide victory” that I know of, I’ve generally heard it expressed as 2/3 of the votes, i.e. about 65::35%.

In Trump’s mind, I’m sure he considers any margin to be a landslide win.

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 10:22 am

https://www.thoughtco.com/definition-of-a-landslide-election-3367585 suggests my ratio is too high:

One way to measure a landslide victory is by percentage points. Historically, many outlets have used the phrase “landslide” for victories in which a candidate beats their opponents by at least 15 percentage points in a popular vote count.1 2 Under that scenario, a landslide would occur when the winning candidate in a two-way election receives 58% of the vote, leaving his opponent with 42%.

There are variations of the 15-point landslide definition. Political news website Politico has defined a landslide election as being one in which the winning candidate beats their opponent by at least 10 percentage points, for example.3 And well-known political blogger Nate Silver of The New York Times has defined a landslide district as being one in which a presidential vote margin deviated by at least 20 percentage points from the national result.4 Political scientists Gerald N. Hill and Kathleen Thompson Hill say in their book “The Facts on File Dictionary of American Politics” that a landslide occurs when a candidate is able to win 60% of the popular vote.

It goes on to discuss the electoral college:

Again, there is no legal or constitutional definition of a landslide in a presidential election. But political journalists have offered their own suggested guidelines for determining a landslide victory over the years. Historically, news outlets have used the phrase “Electoral College landslide” when the winning candidate secures at least 375, or 70%, of the electoral votes.5

Sabato, Larry J. “How Goldwater Changed Campaigns Forever.” Politico, 27 Oct. 2014.

There are at least a half a dozen presidential elections that many would consider being landslides. Among them is Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s 1936 win over Alf Landon. Roosevelt won 523 electoral votes to Landon’s eight, and 61% of the popular vote to his opponent’s 37%.1 In 1984, Ronald Reagan won 525 electoral votes to Walter Mondale’s 13, capturing 59% of the popular vote.2

Bryan A
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 2:42 pm

Well Trump did I win 32 of 50 states while Kamala took just 18.
18 states is just 36% (by state count).
Trump took almost 2/3 of the state count.
Trump also took the popular vote by 4.6M votes (currently as Nevada 91% and Arizona 69% have yet to complete their counts and certify their results)
Their % complete hasn’t changed since Wednesday morning.

Provided their overall outcome doesn’t change the EC count will be 226/312 or 42%/58%

Bryan A
Reply to  Bryan A
November 8, 2024 4:20 pm

Apparently Trump even flipped a number of CA Counties…check out the difference between 2020 and 2024

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 8, 2024 2:01 am

Why are you arguing? Total disillusionment with the urban intellectuals is how it looks to me. Trump didn’t gain votes, but many democrats simply stayed at home.

Whatever you call it, under the rules the electorate gave Trump and the GOP a working majority everywhere.

What this means remains to be seen.

I have a stock of popcorn…

Bryan A
Reply to  David Middleton
November 7, 2024 2:48 pm

Sounds like a Hat Trick to me
House, Senate and Executive.

Ian_e
Reply to  Bryan A
November 8, 2024 5:47 am

And the popular vote.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Ian_e
November 8, 2024 8:37 am

And a clean sweep of all of the so-called battle ground states.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 10:47 am

Taking the key states is a landslide victory in my book.

Scissor
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
November 7, 2024 11:01 am

The blue wall was as porous as our southern border.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 10:54 am

Is it a landslide? Trump won the EC and the so-called “popular vote.” Republicans gained control of the Senate. It looks like the GOP will extend its control over the House. If not a landslide, it’s still a yuge win. Trump won bigly.

Meanwhile, almost 15 million Biden voters are missing. That is, Harris has almost 15 million less votes than Biden had in 2020. Curiously, Trump is about 3 million votes short. Where are these voters? Did they sit out 2024, an election where there were clear night and day differences between parties, or did these voters never exist in the first place?

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 7, 2024 12:23 pm

> did these voters never exist in the first place?

Quite likely!

Ian_e
Reply to  StuM
November 8, 2024 5:48 am

Quite so: the zombies finally took a stake to the heart!

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 11:17 am

As far as most “experts” were sure Harris will win the elections, at least as part of wishfull thinking or belief, the clearness of Trumps victory can be called a landslide one in my opinion.

KevinM
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 7, 2024 12:16 pm

Most right-handed people I know expected right-handed victory
Most left-handed people I know expected left-handed victory
Intersecting with the point of the article – the “science” of polling was overwhelmed by politics. I don’t know how it improves.

Reply to  KevinM
November 7, 2024 12:22 pm

?

Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 7, 2024 1:13 pm

Intersecting with the point of the article – the “science” of polling was overwhelmed by politics.”

I might be wrong in what he meant, but, maybe if he had used “voters” or “people” instead of “politics” in “overwhelmed by politics”, his point would have been clearer?

KevinM
Reply to  Gunga Din
November 8, 2024 11:51 am

Yeah. People who like politics run political polls. I lumped all people, pollsters, and voters into the category “politics”. How do we get any accurate polls if people who like politics run political polls? How could they possibly avoid bias?
In order to fix the bias, the pollsters would have to confront the idea that they’re biased as humans AND fix it.

KevinM
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 8, 2024 11:45 am

The right/left stuff was an attempt to say people who are ‘R’ or ‘D’ tend to associate with other people who are ‘R’ or ‘D’. The easiest example is right here, where certain repeat ‘D’ commenters are heckled relentlessly for supporting team ‘D’. If they only hear ideas from their own team then they might not be aware that the other team has ideas too.

People who I know from team ‘R’ expected team ‘R’ to win last Tuesday’s contest. People who I know from team ‘D’ expected team ‘D’ to win last Tuesday’s contest. Accurate pollsters would help both ‘R’ and ‘D’ not feel dumb when the other team wins.

The author implied political opinion polls are consistently inaccurate. I was trying to express I don’t know how anyone could fix it. Even if we say we are not on a team…

Phillip Bratby
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 11:34 am

At the UK general election, Labout were supported by less than 21% of the electorate and received about 30% of the votes cast. That was stated by the BBC to be a landslide victory! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-4d9584ef-134b-478c-9bdc-783915e8b562

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 12:35 pm

Anything to deflect and divide.

It’s all hyperbole and does not meet any definition, nor is it required to.

People conflate the language and sensationalize to fit the moment. So lighten up Francis.

Whether is is a legitimate landslide by your definition or not, the fact is Trump won convincingly. Maybe you should talk to Harris about accepting the outcome.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 5:39 pm

Only half of the u.s. electorate is democrat. But most of the press are. This could be called:

A Landslide Against the Media
News organizations tried to prop Biden and Harris up. How did that work out?comment image

(Today’s WSJ), article by Kim Strassel

The recriminations are flying, as Barack Obama’s and Joe Biden’s forces go to war over who’s more to blame for Democrats’ humiliating defeat Tuesday. So long as the left is pointing fingers, let it direct a big, fat digit at the outfit that played the biggest role in losing it this election: the U.S. media.

Anton Eagle
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 6:40 pm

A more fair analysis would look like this…

In the US, there are only a handful of states that are actually in-play in elections. These battleground states are North Carolina, Georgia, Penn., Mich, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada. All other states are baked-in, as far as electoral college is concerned.

Trump swept the battleground states… 7 out of 7. That, plus winning the popular vote. That, my friends, is a landslide.

Reply to  Ric Werme
November 7, 2024 11:34 pm

Here you go. And the final counts aren’t in yet. Trump winning the popular vote after 9 years of relentless attacks, the greatest persecution in American history of a sitting and former president in the form of investigations, impeachments, and sham prosecutions, and an almost daily barrage of blatant lies about him from the deranged legacy media and their minders, the Democrat party, is as close to a landslide as there is in modern times. Trump increased his share of the popular vote over every election. Obama’s popularity decreased over 2 elections. So did Biden/Harris. Yeah, that’s a landslide.

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John XB
Reply to  Ric Werme
November 8, 2024 5:50 am

And you know what is in Donald Trump’s mind?

I have only heard commentators call it a landslide – not Donald Trump. The landslide to which they refer is winning the electoral college, popular vote, Senate and probably the House.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  John XB
November 8, 2024 8:40 am

Mostly called it a comeback win.

Len Werner
November 7, 2024 10:21 am

Dave, I hope you didn’t write the headline. Winning with support of 51.7% of the voters does not constitute a ‘landslide’, it’s a sluggish mass that barely slumped and just inched over the line.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  David Middleton
November 7, 2024 12:19 pm
CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  David Middleton
November 7, 2024 3:33 pm

Whatever. I won’t argue with you David.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
November 7, 2024 4:43 pm

That was an avalanche.

Reply to  David Middleton
November 7, 2024 2:12 pm

Trump and MAGA won bigly!

Len Werner
Reply to  David Middleton
November 7, 2024 5:43 pm

As a geologist I do appreciate the win the way it went and understand the emotion of all the downvotes of those who remained rational and cognizant of the obvious, but the popular vote numbers reflect the mindset of the actual people allowed to vote in the US irrespective of the Electoral Vote weighting of the results according to population densities (and again I do understand the logic of that EC system), It remains disconcerting that with all that has happened during the last 4-year Biden/Harris term, that still over 47% of the people supported Harris. We have no justification for getting euphoric about this, the danger remains high; the margin of safety is far too low to relax. The battle with leftist liberal thinking is far from over, and with barely over half of the voters supporting a change many of us will remain vigilant; this is no time to relax.

This is what a ‘Landslide’ victory looks like–

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election

–and still the majority of the American people voted Biden/Harris in the 2020 election. Nothing is safe as long as Saul Alinsky’s book is still available.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Len Werner
November 8, 2024 8:42 am

Freedom requires constant vigilance.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Len Werner
November 7, 2024 10:54 am

I would call winning with 312 electoral votes and about 5 million popular votes a landslide. Too big to rig.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 11:07 am

and now with all of Congress and a majority of conservatives in the Supreme Court- so context is relative and the context is looking good – no, looking fantastic!

Rick C
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:16 pm

Maybe Trump winning both the EC and popular vote by large margins will at least shut up the democrats pushing to eliminate the EC.

Len Werner
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 8, 2024 10:10 am

I wouldn’t argue the importance of all the comments about the win, but we must remember that winning with about 5 million votes depends on how many votes were cast–about 140.6 million. That’s a margin of only 3.6% which remains uncomfortable; Reagan’s win was with 16.9 million votes out of 92 million. The EC system is a manipulation of the value of each individual vote according to where the vote is cast; of course my viewpoint on that system, while I do understand its validity in the US, is from a country that has no such system, each vote in Canada carries equal standing. All that stated, the comment that the margin was ‘too big to rig’ may be an important one, as the suspicion of some rigging certainly might be justified–and it still wasn’t enough. THAT might constitute a ‘landslide’.

I was a mine manager at the time of Reagan’s election, and was politically active as there were powers trying to gain control of mine permitting; that’s why I remember what a landslide victory looks like. We had a similar but reversed landslide in our 1993 election, with the Conservative Party going from 156 to 2 seats in our parliament. Jean Charest self-deprecating joke was that ‘Even a Toyota pickup has 2 seats’.

hdhoese
Reply to  Len Werner
November 7, 2024 11:17 am

You can argue about technical statisticals, but you might consider all the names I encounter about the oceans, “boiling, warm hole, cold blob, delicate, fragile,” with some even in ‘science’ journals. I was once on a research ship running for port on the edge of a hurricane. Have to wonder how many have seen it outside of their computer or the TV. One modeler just discovered a little over a decade ago that the ocean was three dimensional.

KevinM
November 7, 2024 10:39 am

Science is difficult to work in, because at some level every person you encounter grew up as the smartest person they knew. I don’t know that the pattern holds for the under-30ish generations. Too many kids going to college to filter.

Scissor
Reply to  KevinM
November 7, 2024 11:09 am

That may have been in the past.

I work in a pretty well known science institute. It’s not uncommon for me to overhear hallway discussions concerning personal pronouns. The institute has a director of diversity, who I would guess makes over $200k/year compensation her/his/whatever self and oversees a budget probably in excess of $500k.(These are guesses on my part.) He/she/whatever is frequently away on travel to some diversity conference (with attendees who work in other primarily government organizations).

November 7, 2024 10:50 am

STORY TIP:

Bees reportedly stopped Meta from building a nuclear-powered AI data center

https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/bees-reportedly-stopped-meta-from-building-a-nuclear-powered-ai-data-center-143050114.html

A rare bee species was discovered on the land earmarked for the project, says the Financial Times.

John XB
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 8, 2024 5:55 am

It’s amazing how many rare – previously unknown – species of fauna and flora choose to have as their habitats places where somebody wants to do something of which the Environmentalistas disapprove.

On the other hand windmills, solar panels and any other pet project of the Environmentalistas can disturb and/or destroy any species, rare or otherwise, with impunity.

Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 10:51 am

“Favored Harris owing to concerns about climate change and public health”

I was concerned about public health because of RFK Jr., especially after he promised to recommend removing fluoride from drinking water on day 1. So I did several hours of research. Adding fluoride was first recommended when science showed it reduced cavities by about 25%.

BUT it has never been proven truly safe! Among the known problems is fuoridosis in children under 8. As a result, many nations including Italy, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Japan, and Israel stopped adding it years ago.

And guess what? Their cavity rates did not increase! Further research made the reason obvious. P&G figured out how to add fluoride to Crest toothpaste decades ago. Today almost all brands globally are fluoridated. That applies fluoride directly to tooth enamel (where it helps) avoiding the safety questions that arise when it is administered systemically via drinking water.

RFK Jr. was onto something I did not know. And now that he has promised to leave true vaccines alone (they are obviously safe and effective—the UK MMR scare was a deliberate hoax), he says he will get Trumps green light to do three things:

  1. Go after the FDA/CDC bureaucracy that has been captured by big pharma and big ag.
  2. Restore gold standard science (which we did not get with COVID19 mRNA)
  3. Go after chronic childhood disease. Certainly asthma and obesity are among them. Used to be Type 2 diabetes was called adult onset diabetes. Sadly, no longer.

I am OK with all 3.

Reply to  David Middleton
November 7, 2024 11:22 am

Today’s vaccines aren’t like the ones I had growing up in the 60’s and 70’s. I have lifelong immunity to some diseases.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 7, 2024 11:37 am

True vaccines confer true immunity, sometimes for life (smallpox, polio), but always for a significant period of time.
The flu ‘vaccine’ really isn’t, for two reasons. First The virus mutates. Second, even in a good year the efficacy is maybe 60-70%.
The COVID mRNA ‘vaccine actually definitely never was. It never conveyed immunity, so was originally justified as reducing severity—no longer needed. As expected, COVID19 has evolved to simply become the fifth adenovirus causing the common cold, along with about 90 rhinoviruses.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:42 pm

Before I retired, we had to do an annual physical. (Mainly aimed at lung function since I routinely wore a respirator at times.)
Anyway, every year we had fill out the same health survey. (About twice as long as the one you fill out when going to a new doctor for the first time.) One of the questions was to list all the vaccines you’ve ever had.
After filling that thing out for about 20 years, I remembered that I’d had the smallpox vaccine. Caused quite a stir among the staff.
I still don’t know if it was because they’d never encountered someone who had had the smallpox vaccine or if they thought it was a new vaccine that I had gotten.
(I suspect the former since some of them wanted to see the scar.) 😎

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 8, 2024 8:47 am

Biden advertised the mRNA COVID vaccine as the means to protect yourself and your loved ones from COVID. It was safe and effective.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 11:10 am

My dentist surprised me when he said if you use a fluoride toothpaste- don’t rinse your mouth or drink anything for at least 20 minutes or you’ll lose it or eat it.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 7, 2024 11:41 am

My research said that is also correct—for maximum efficacy. But brushing then rinsing is ‘good enough’ at the recommended 2x/day for 2 minutes.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 11:13 am

I vaguely recall President JFK saying, “let us have vigor” with a strong Boston accent- and he promoted 50 mile long hikes. I never see anyone mention this. Maybe the other geezers here will recall Kennedy saying this. 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 7, 2024 11:24 am

50-mile hikes? It takes me about 90 minutes for a brisk 5-mile walk.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 7, 2024 1:04 pm

Just for the sunlight you get in (outdoor) long slow distance training, it’s worth it. An hour of it / day probably “enough” for most people. Now in my 70’s I’m listening closely to Peter Attia’s emphasis on the need for muscle strength. Different roads to achieve good health (“vigga”), but it looks like the two: steady state endurance exercise and muscle strength (needed to not fall stepping off a curb) are necessary adjuncts. But of the two, Attia says the latter is most important: grip strength, hanging from a bar, squats, stair steps, leg extensions, etc. Falls lead to early death in old farts, so I’m trying not to fall down. .

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bill Parsons
November 7, 2024 1:43 pm

Agree. In my mid 70’s I now do two things even though we have a well equipped gym in the building that I used to frequent every other day for an hour in my 50s and 60s.

Every other day, a long brisk walk ‘on the beach’ for cardio. Sand and water provides extra resistance. When Patricia was alive and younger, we used to do 3 miles, down to public beach in waist high water, back on wet sand. Now just a mile round trip.

Plus almost every evening a series of 8 weight training exercises using 15# dumbbells. Squats, curls, leg extends, arm extends… now up to >10 each in two reps. Goal is three reps. Also helps get to sleep.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:54 pm

“Goal is three reps. Also helps get to sleep.” Which is where I fall down.

I try to bike and swim now that arthritis has messed up an ankle. I was swimming next to a middle aged guy recently who was doing non-stop freestyle and flip turns like a teenager. He was bald and hairless like a cancer patient. Pausing, he caught my attention and pointed over a few lanes at a younger man who was tearing up and down the pool. He said something to the effect, “Now there’s a really good swimmer. He’s on the team at Stanford.” We watched him for awhile, then I said, “You’re no slouch – probably as fast as he is.” He replied, “Nah. Just a work in progress.” I thought that expressed a good attitude toward life in general.

Mac
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 5:00 pm

Look at blood flow restriction training with BFR bands. Lots of evidence of physiological benefits. Many articles on the internet. I use Rock Cuffs BFR bands. Again low weights with multiple reps. I’ve been using them for years.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 7, 2024 2:57 pm

I remember that quite well. I was in high school at the time. While it might well be a good thing for the body to be able to do 50 miles continuously it is as stupid today as it was then for any and every untrained person to go out and try it on a whim. With the proper training and practice, which starts out at a much more modest goal, it is almost certainly possible for a majority to achieve but it is a way to disaster without the buildup.

Reply to  AndyHce
November 8, 2024 4:46 am

He may not have meant to 50 miles non stop- with a backpack, take 2-3 days. But I seem to recall reading that the Roman military would do that on a regular basis- maybe over a few days- and carrying heavy weight. Then arrive- build a fort- and have a battle with barbarians. Tough people.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 8, 2024 12:39 pm

I recall the press eating up “the challenge” and somehow I misremember that it was JFK that made the walk. Apparently it was Robert.

One AI generated summary gave some interesting background:

While John F. Kennedy did not explicitly advocate for the general public to walk 50 miles, he did publicly promote physical fitness and famously highlighted a challenge from Theodore Roosevelt that required military officers to be able to cover 50 miles on foot within 20 hours, essentially encouraging a high level of physical exertion among the military, which was seen as a message to the public about fitness standards; this is often referred to as the “JFK 50-mile challenge.”

RE: Roman foot soldiers… makes you wonder what they were wearing: https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/romans/2000-year-old-roman-military-sandal-with-nails-for-traction-found-in-germany

Scissor
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 11:18 am

Yeah, toothpaste typically contains over 1000 ppm fluoride which is applied directly to teeth. But I guess there just aren’t enough opportunities for kids to eat candy and junk food.

Reply to  Scissor
November 7, 2024 12:34 pm

Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses
The problem with fluoride is, you have no control about the quantities you take in, we find f.e. in salt, toothpaste…

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 11:20 am

I was very surprised to learn of thousands of chemicals the EU bans in foods that are legal in the US. Is the EU just an over-protective Big Brother Nanny State, or on they onto something?

Yes, the EU is an over-protective Big Brother Nanny State. That doesn’t mean they aren’t occasionally right about some things.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 7, 2024 11:48 am

Just looked it up out of curiosity. There are about 10000 FDA approved food additives in the US. In the EU there are about 300. That means about 9700 need more serious US scrutiny.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 12:25 pm

300 are more than enough.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 12:53 pm

Approved additives and E numbers
Additives and E numbers for colours, preservatives, antioxidants, sweeteners, emulsifiers, stabilisers, thickeners and other types of additives.
Most additives are only permitted to be used in certain foods and are subject to specific quantitative limits, so it is important to note this list should be used in conjunction with the appropriate legislation:

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:52 pm

But on the flip side, the UK approved thalidomide for morning sickness way back when. The FDA never did.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 11:48 am

“And now that he has promised to leave true vaccines alone (they are obviously safe and effective…”

Love to see a link to this. If it’s true it’s a reversal. It was his big thing for years.

KevinM
Reply to  Bill Parsons
November 7, 2024 12:27 pm

safe and effective” means different things to different people

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bill Parsons
November 7, 2024 12:43 pm

MSNBC interview Nov6. To paraphrase when asked if he wasn’t anti vaccine?. ‘I am not anti vaccine. Many work. I am in favor of providing parents with the best information, and then let them and their pediatrician decide what, what order, and on what schedule.’
RFK Jr is aware that the UK MMR scare was a deliberately planned (for $) hoax. Covered it at length as an example in my ebook Arts of Truth.
Reported also by Newsweek (anti Trump). Google will take you to several MSM reports on the interview.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 12:12 pm

The efficacy or safety of vaccines, fluoride etc. is not the issue but the freedom of informed individuals to choose to utilise them or not, the proper role of government is to provide the disinterested advice not coercion.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 7, 2024 3:03 pm

I agree. If these three can bring transparency and fewer rules and regulations, it should be a great four years. Hopefully Trump will reconsider his pledge to start using executive orders in the first few days. With the support of House and Senate maybe he doesn’t have to use that tool as much.

Derg
Reply to  Bill Parsons
November 7, 2024 4:40 pm

No he needs to do them as quickly as possible. The border doesn’t need more bills it needs enforcement.

Reply to  Bill Parsons
November 7, 2024 5:52 pm

My guess he will use executive orders to get things started.

Then push laws through the House and Senate to fortify those executive orders.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bill Parsons
November 8, 2024 8:52 am

In my singular opinion all Executive Orders need Congressional oversight of some nature. Even a declaration of an emergency. The question is how to do so that is efficient (meaning no debilitating timing).

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:04 pm

Not saying fluoride should be removed from drinking or not, but I will say that, as a retired drinking water operator, it was the only we added that wasn’t to make the safe, esthetically pleasing and economical for the user (that includes preventing corrosion in the distribution system and home plumbing).
We fed 25% fluorosilicic acid. Nasty and dangerous at those concentrations but safe at the level we fed for the consumers water. (There are other forms used.)
As I understand it, back in the 1960’s in the US communities (states?) could vote on whether or not to feed it at all.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:24 pm

 In the US, the average level of fluoride in surface water, such as rivers and lakes, is about 0.2 milligrams per liter (mg/L).

The recommended level of fluoride in drinking water is 0.7 milligrams per liter (mg/L), or 0.7 parts per million (ppm). This is the level that’s most effective at preventing tooth decay. 

Europeans get fluoride through a variety of methods, including:

Fluoridated salt
At least 70 million Europeans consume fluoridated salt, which is the most common method in Europe. This method is used in countries like Germany and Switzerland, which have some of the lowest rates of tooth decay in Europe. 

Fluoridated milk programs
Millions of Europeans receive fluoridated milk, especially in Eastern Europe. 
Natural fluoride levels

Some areas in Italy have water supplies with natural fluoride levels that are already optimal.
 
Fluoridated water
In Europe, Ireland and some regions in Spain and the UK add fluoride to drinking water. However, water fluoridation is not widespread in Europe due to technical challenges. For example, in France and Switzerland, there are tens of thousands of separate sources for drinking water, making it logistically difficult to fluoridate. 

Fluoride in toothpaste and mouthwash
Most toothpaste and some mouthwashes also contain fluoride. Fluoride in tea and coffee

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Richard Greene
November 8, 2024 8:53 am

What quantity of fluoride will affect the ocean pH?

R_G
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 8:06 pm

What I understand from watching RFKJr presentations is that he never was set against traditional vacconations. He was pointing out that none of the children’s vaccination were ever tested against true placebo (saline injection). If someone is interested there is an excelent book titled “Turtles all the way down” that documents this issue. Therefore, he wants force FDA to execute such randomized control trails to get an answer for the two important questions:
1) are some vaccines causing autism in some childrens
2) is there a link to sudden baby death syndrom.

Initially, as a legal person he was not involved in the health space. He was pursuing companies poluting water with mercury. But when people pointed to him that some children’s vaccinations contained mercury he become involved.

John XB
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 8, 2024 5:59 am

The UK MMR was a deliberate hoax? Are you sure? Details are emerging which suggest otherwise.

Like the mRNA snake-oil being ineffective and dangerous was a deliberate hoax?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 8, 2024 8:45 am

Hmmm…. adding fluoride to water lowers its pH (more acidic). I wonder…..

November 7, 2024 10:57 am

Scientists Wokesters around the world expressed disappointment and alarm as Republican Donald Trump won the final votes needed to secure the US presidency….”

fixed it!

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 7, 2024 3:02 pm

There are scientist who study the climate to further understand just what is going on.
Then there are scientist who are just out to promote “The Cause” (or preserve their research grants).

November 7, 2024 10:59 am

I’m more interested to see how Musk does with a government efficiency commission, whatever it may be called. It will be more interesting to see if American voters have a stomach for a smaller government footprint. I hope so, but there are many people living off Uncle Sam’s teats for too long.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 7, 2024 11:55 am

Some numbers. Twitter employed 7300 before Musk. It now employs 1300. Sounds about right end goal ratio for right sizing the federal bureaucracy.
Actually, Musk says his goal is $2 trillion reduction on $7 trillion spend.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 12:49 pm

Musk’s mother says Musk is underestimating the savings. 🙂

Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 7, 2024 2:32 pm

Comparing Twitter before Musk with Twitter after Musk is comparing apples with oranges.
Before Musk, Twitter was very profitable. After Musk, not so much.

What Elon failed to realise was that Twitter was as business, not a welfare scheme. The people he cut were doing important things. The company broke without them.

Of course, the same is true of Government, in spades. Because they really do have welfare schemes so they never need to employ people, just as a favour.

Derg
Reply to  MCourtney
November 7, 2024 4:42 pm

lol very profitable?

who paid for all those servers 😉

think deeply

Tom Halla
November 7, 2024 11:21 am

I wonder just what sort of “science” those surveyed do.

cuddywhiffer
November 7, 2024 11:25 am

One of the snowflakes near me, wrote…

‘I am in mourning for America.
Those of you who elected him: You have voted for hate, bigotry, fear and revenge. You have handed the reins of power over to a dangerous narcissistic, misogynistic, racist madman who will sneer in the face of democracy. You have sold your souls to the devil.
You have unleashed the monster.’

Poor dear!

Scissor
Reply to  cuddywhiffer
November 7, 2024 11:52 am
Rud Istvan
Reply to  cuddywhiffer
November 7, 2024 11:55 am

Looks like that snowflake has melted.

KevinM
Reply to  cuddywhiffer
November 7, 2024 12:30 pm

Does the writer understand their own irony?
e.g. “sold your souls” requires a worldview not compatible with the belief system I suspect from context.

Reply to  cuddywhiffer
November 7, 2024 1:17 pm

Obviously a sucker for “media” propaganda.

Reply to  cuddywhiffer
November 7, 2024 3:21 pm

Is that snowflake on The View?

ferdberple
November 7, 2024 11:25 am

energy — electricity for manufacturing or oil for transportation — accounts for a hefty share of the cost of nearly every product.
===≈====
ultimately what other costs are there. Even labor costs are tied up in the energy required to feed, clothe, house and train them.

November 7, 2024 11:29 am

Here’s how to unleash Americas energy.
Here is President Donald J Trump-elect, speaking today about the climate HOAX
https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1854482837350555810

Bob
November 7, 2024 11:42 am

I have zero respect for those whining CAGW climate scientists. No matter what degrees they may hold or positions they occupy they are not practicing science rather it is pure politics and bad politics at that. In my view the only job they are suited for is dismantling wind and solar systems.

Reply to  Bob
November 7, 2024 1:49 pm

whining CAGW climate scientists

They are also know as “welfare queens in white coats”, a term coined by Penn. U. material scientist Rustum Roy many decades ago. They live and work in the academic ghettos and receive generous welfare funds (i.e., gov. research grants).

Richard Greene
November 7, 2024 1:49 pm

We will be hearing two months of wishful thinking about all the great things conservatives imagine Trump will do in 2025.

Somehow the lack of Trump’s climate and energy accomplishments during Trump 1.0 are long forgotten.

Trump in 2017 and 2018, with Republicans controlling BOTH houses of Congress (as in 2025 and 2026), did not halt government funded climate science scaremongering or even end the false definition of CO2 as a pollutant.

During the Biden administration US oil production reached an all time record and natural gas prices reached the lowest price since the 1920s adjusted for inflation

Current oil and gas prices are historically low — too low for private companies to benefit from “drill baby drill.

Frackers Plagued By Ultra-Thin Margins | OilPrice.com

As of September 2024, 18 states in the United States have set net zero targets, and five of those states have earlier targets than the federal government’s 2050 target. In addition, nine states have set 80% emission reduction targets for 2050. 

Trump can not stop them.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Richard Greene
November 7, 2024 2:32 pm

I am not as pessimistic. Trump accomplished a lot in his first term despite Mueller and two impeachments. And he had bigger fish to fry than what you mention despite McConnell and Ryan opposition in his first Congress. And he had precious little Cabinet help. Despite everything, he kept his word on a lot of things.

  1. Built most of the wall.
  2. Achieved energy independence.
  3. Protected steel and aluminum with tariffs.
  4. Replaced bad NAFTA with good USMCA.
  5. Rationalized taxes.
  6. Initiated a rational Afghan withdrawal.
  7. Created the Space Force, and rejuvenated a depleted military.
  8. Rebuilt the SCOTUS.
  9. Forged the Abraham Accords (and moved embassy to Jerusalem).

Now in his second term, there are many things in his favor that were not there first term.

  1. He now knows the players, and will get his people choices installed.
  2. He now has significant outside help with Musk, RFK Jr, and Gabbard.
  3. He has repeatedly articulated clear agendas that led to a landslide election. These include removing millions of illegal aliens, tariffs to move industry back to US, and further tax code rationalization. Plus ending wars sponsored by Iran and Russia (and preventing China from starting one over Taiwan).

It is my hope that all this will also enable him to also accomplish lesser second order second term agendas. For example, amend CAA definition of pollutant. For example, permanently remove the California vehicle exception. For example, remove renewable subsidies and EV mandates—which will automatically mean the ‘Net Zero’ states will fail without him doing anything. Newsom clearly sees this. He just called a special legislative session to ‘Trump proof’ California. Good luck with that.

Reply to  Richard Greene
November 7, 2024 2:44 pm

Ah…. the constant AGW-cultist based negativity. !

November 7, 2024 1:55 pm

Walk on MARS!

abolition man
November 7, 2024 2:19 pm

Trump may go down in history as one of the greatest salesmen and comedians EVAH!! He may also be known as a highly effective president if he can surround himself with more people like those that helped him to decisively win the 2024 campaign!
Whatever I think of him is irrelevant, as I watched the corporate/media/military/drug/intel complex try in every way possible to take him out or obstruct his presidency! Often people are described better by who their enemies are than their friends, and considering who is standing against President Trump; I have to believe that he is working on the behalf of me and the American people!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  abolition man
November 8, 2024 8:59 am

Excellent points.

My point of voting is, Trump can not be bought.

November 7, 2024 2:39 pm

Elon Musk supports Trump in order to try and save Tesla.
It’s obvious that Tesla cannot compete with BYD and the other Chinese EV makers.

Tesla cannot compete on quality as the key issue of range is limited by battery technology; no-one has found a more electropositive element than Lithium despite scouring the top left of the periodic table.

Tesla cannot compete on price as Chinese labour is dirt cheap, and so is the cost of living there relative to the West.

So Tesla goes bust and the US middle class get cheaper EVs? Not if Trump can help it.
The world’s richest man needs to be protected from the greed of working Americans who just want cheap vehicles.

Reply to  MCourtney
November 7, 2024 3:20 pm

Elon Musk supports Trump in order to try and save Tesla.

Indeed, very smart move by Elon. The market will decide Tesla’s fate. Current total EV market penetration in the US is 9%, 5% of that is Tesla.

Anyone buying a Tesla outside of the US, the car is made in Shanghai China.

Reply to  MCourtney
November 7, 2024 3:42 pm

Americans want affordable vehicles that work for the purpose they were chosen.
EVs don’t fill the bill, whether a Tesla or a cheap Chinese EV.

So Tesla goes bust and the US middle class get cheaper EVs? Not if Trump can help it.”

The US wants a choice on whether to buy an EV or a real car.

Reply to  Gunga Din
November 7, 2024 6:11 pm

100% – Trump has nothing against EV’s. If EV’s work as a business proposition, EV manufacturing businesses employs legitimate American workers, no problems.

What Trump and anyone that is not a climate loony rejects summarily is a government mandate to phase out ICE vehicles and transition people to EV’s. Not going to happen.

I’m afraid for the climate luvvies, the USA has just woken up from the de-carbonization dream….Drill Baby Drill, Frack Baby Frack.

I’d love to be with Trump when he tells the communist Gutierres to shove his alarmist climate lunacy, together with the UN’s utterly undemocratic intervention into countries’ individual sovereignty. Trump won a landslide on a ticket of, amongst other things, energy independence, an increase in FF exploration and production, and winding back the waste, environmental destruction and idiocy of renewables.

BTW — Where’s John Kerry? Anything to say?

Reply to  MCourtney
November 7, 2024 5:04 pm
  • “Tesla cannot compete on quality as the key issue of range is limited by battery technology …”

(???)

* “Tesla cannot compete on price as Chinese labour is” … forced when needed.
(Tariffs, with or without Musk)

  • So Tesla goes bust and the US middle class get cheaper EVs?”

(Tesla goes bust IF the world middle class opts for cheap(er) EV’s … with or without Trump)

Reply to  MCourtney
November 8, 2024 12:58 am

I see you still have deep-seated case of TDS, as well as a case of MDS.

So sad.

laraleepn
November 7, 2024 3:37 pm

Team Harris-Walz can’t make up the difference thanks to ‘their net zero vision.’ “

If I may be so bold as to slightly modify the statement in the article 🙂

November 7, 2024 4:28 pm

“Worries pouring in this morning align with those expressed by the majority of readers who responded last month to a survey conducted by Nature. Eighty-six per-cent of the more than 2,000 people who answered the poll said that they favoured Harris…”

And in other news, a survey of the long term subscribers/readers of Penthouse Magazine showed that 98% of the respondents favoured pornography over other literature such as medical & science reporting (the other 2% said would they would consider climate porn as science, and as a reasonable alternative).

November 7, 2024 5:48 pm

Susie Wiles as first ever female chief of staff.

Eat your words, Cuban

Reply to  bnice2000
November 7, 2024 6:56 pm

How will the left luvvies square this one!!!

First move by Trump – Checkmate already!!!! Brilliant..You gotta love the bloke. I reckon notwithstanding Wiles as a brilliant operator, she’ll run the joint like a well oiled machine, Trump just loves rubbing the left’s nose in it. Many more to come..

MAGA

November 7, 2024 6:44 pm

Excuse my ignorance, I believe it is a valid question but I have never paid great attention.
Isn’t is possible, under the legitimate operation of the Constitution, for the Electoral College to disregard the election results and vote for Harris?

Yes it would be a travesty but would it be a crime? Is it something strictly not allowed?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  AndyHce
November 8, 2024 10:05 am

If a sufficient number of State slates of Electors were successfully challenged and overturned by the Senate and the Supreme Court confirms, then yes, per the Constitution.

The the removal of electors by challenge results in a tie, it goes to the House for a one State one vote selection of the next President.

The Electoral College is a safeguard for the Constitutional Republic.

November 7, 2024 7:19 pm

Those scientists whose emotions are involved, not their brains, will understandably be upset.

David S
November 7, 2024 8:29 pm

“Some even said they would consider changing where they live or study if Trump won.”
Well OK then. Adios.

November 7, 2024 9:37 pm

David: I’d push the 5th star a hundred times if it was possible!

For those whining leftist crybabies threatening to leave the country, in the immortal words of Art Bell:

“Mind the A$$-door interface as you go!”

Capt Jeff
November 7, 2024 11:19 pm

First thing, submit the Paris Accord for Senate ratification so it will officially be killed.

Reply to  David Middleton
November 8, 2024 3:18 pm

A President’s agreement that is treated as a Treaty is similar to a regulation being treated as a Law.
Both abuses of power need to be reigned in.