From CLIMATE DEPOT
ANN ARBOR, Mich. — The auto industry is big business in Michigan, and a major round of layoffs is revving the election into high gear for industry workers in the critical swing state — who blame the Biden-Harris administration’s heavy-handed electric-vehicle mandates for the painful job losses.
Stellantis, which manufactures Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles, announced last month it will lay off 2,450 workers at its Warren plant. While industry jobs in the state have been declining since 1990, Michigan autoworkers explained to The Post why Team Biden’s green-energy rules are at fault this time.
United Auto Workers member Isaiah Gordon, 24, works on hybrid batteries at Ford’s Rawsonville plant and said the forced transition to electric vehicles is damaging the industry.
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Israel has shown how lithium battery powered devices can be detonated in unison. China must have noticed. China supplies an ever increasing proportion of the world’s lithium battery powered devices. That’s not just EVs, but all devices with a rechargeable lithium battery and some circuitry. They could easily fit them with a trigger that Xi Jinping could pull whenever he felt like it.
Israel did it with devices supplied by others. Imagine how much easier it would be for China.
They were fitted with explosives.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/3-grams-of-explosives-per-pager-israel-complex-op-to-hurt-hezbollah-6590229
Better check Chinese EVs for that then! Israel has surely given China a new line of thought.
The Apollo pagers were a Taiwan design but probably assembled in Turkey by a small firm. The owner of that firm will probably be under Israeli protection.
EVs and phones and cameras- and just about everything else.
OT side note: It was called “Operation Below the Belt”
Possible, but then the Chinese can almost certainly control many other deadly features of their cars via the internet, e.g. random (or structured) crash-braking on busy fast roads. Hackers will doubtless also be able to take control of any internet-linked autos.
Lithium batteries in pagers do not contain enough energy to explode.
Lithium batteries also have a pressure release feature that prevents explosion.
Having been involved in multiple battery venting and explosion events I am knowledgeable.
Having been a corporate SME on battery technologies in my career, I am knowledgeable.
Pagers do not use secondary cells. Too expensive to include the charging circuits. Lithium Ion Polymer Organic chemistry is more expensive than lithium ion primary cells.
That aside, the point of having countries in competition on the world stage providing key materials and products is a concern. One can speculate on the effect of a foreign country sending a signal and all wind and solar energy production went to zero across the country within seconds.
Just as one should be concerned about lots of other stuff. Voting machines, laptops, internet, cell phones. Not that the concern is proof of any nefarious conduct, but one should stay alert to the possibility, sadly, in this day and age.
All good, but surely “all wind and solar energy production went to zero” is a frequent event.
EVs will come. By 2030 most sold cars / trucks / busses will be electric. They should adapt as long as they have the chance. Not many job opportunities for farriers out there.
You are really a delusional moron. EVs are a FAD. Do you still have your Hula Hoop and Pet Rock????
Kind!
No they won’t. The insurance industry will kill BEV sales. China has banned BEVs in basement car parks.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/china-bans-electric-vehicles-from-underground-carparks/news-story/b7c07b8e942cb3076b704029e327d6cf
There will be a long road back to convince buyers that there are BEVs available without the self-immolation feature inherent in current models.
BMW have just recalled 140k Minis that are prone to self-immolation.
It is only a matter of time before there are massive loss of life due to a BEV fire in a basement car park. China has set a precedence. Governments see their job of making it “safe” for the governed so they are obliged to follow China. China leads the world on BEV production and use. The rest of the world will follow their lead in banning them from enclosed car parks.
No responsible adult should own a BEV. They are the source of deep seated fire that are proving impossible to control without submerging the vehicle.
Clarification, BEVs based on LiPO chemistry batteries.
There are other battery chemistries that do not emit fire when failing. Many are rechargeable (secondary chemistries), but they do not have the energy density.
The bottom has dropped out of the market. Have you done your bit by buying one?
roflmao.. You truly are living in a little FANTASY la-la-land aren’t you, Luser.
NOBODY WANTS THEM !!
EU car sales at 3-year low in August, EV sales down 43.9%, ACEA says | Reuters
Electric Car Sales Plummet 37% in Germany as Slump Deepens (yahoo.com)
What EV do you own, luser..
make it up if you are still locked in your little 15 minute ghetto or are too mentally deluded to have a licence.!!
Not if ‘most sold’ includes the used car and truck market, that’s for sure. Even new ones…?
From today’s UK Telegraph
European carmakers have urged the EU to delay new emissions targets as a decline in the electric vehicle market leaves manufacturers at risk of “multi-billion-euro fines”.
The European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association, known as ACEA, has called for “urgent action” before new targets come in next year.
The Brussels-based industry body said the latest vehicle registration figures show the electric car market is “now on a continual downward trajectory”.
Fully electric vehicles made up 12.5pc of all new car registrations in the EU from January to July, it said, well below the level needed to be compliant with new CO2 targets for cars and vans that come into effect in 2025.
It also urged the European Commission to bring forward the CO2 regulation reviews currently scheduled for 2026 and 2027, to 2025.
Will most new cars, trucks and buses be EVs by 2030?
It is possible that by 2030 most new cars will be electric. Governments have the power to do that that if they want to. I doubt they have the power to do it with trucks and buses – there are not going to be either viable electric long distance trucks or buses by 2030.
But the question about cars is not so much whether it can be done – that is simply a matter of passing a law and enforcing it. Its what the economy will look like after they do it. It seems likely that buyer resistance to EVs will continue, and that the result will be a shrinkage in the total car market. Modern ICE or hybrid cars can easily be driven for an extra few years, and that is what people will do.
As usual in these matters you can get a good idea of the direction by looking at the UK. The problem is that EVs are still substantially more expensive than ICE or mild hybrids, even though what you get is a far less performant car. But so far that has been somewhat made up by the fact that the electricity with which you charge them has been less taxed than the gasoline.
However, as EVs become a larger portion of the installed base, the UK Government is looking for ways to make up the lost tax revenue, and is now looking at pay-per-mile. So if you are a new car buyer, your choice at the moment is pay more, probably get taxed on every mile you drive, or either buy a new ICE or mild hybrid while you can, or keep the one you have. Its also been proposed to price car charging, via smart meters, higher than regular household use. Another reason for buyer resistance.
Buyer resistance is a real thing and is evidenced by the falling prices of used EVs. If you live in a big city or in the countryside, you never drive more than about 50-100 miles in a day, and mostly a lot shorter trips than that, you have off street parking, well, at the moment a used EV might make sense if its cheap enough. This is typically retired people who can plug in and charge overnight.
But I suspect that if in the UK Labour persists with a total ban on sales of ICE cars from 2030 the result will be to drop the new car market to at least one half of current levels, maybe to one third. And it will also change driving patterns in ways which have unexpected economic consequences. To give an example, vacation travel will change and shrink. Shopping will change. And even at those levels of charging, the local UK grid will have serious capacity problems, and that is even before you add in all the heat pumps.
Will all this affect UK CO2 emissions? Yes, it will be a recession, and it will. But will that affect global emissions? No, too small to measure.
Emissions will continue to increase regardless of Eco-Nazi stupidity in “western” nations as China, India, and other “developing nations” build up their economies using coal, oil and gas (and nuclear), in no small part building the worse-than-useless windmills and solar panels and EVs until they stop accepting the IOUs from the self-destructive “western” nations.
“They should adapt as long as they have the chance.”
The auto workers will adapt by voting for Trump.
For the first time in decades, the Teamsters Union has decided not to endorse the Democratic candidate Kamala Harris for the 2024 election. The Rustbelt may be turning Red.
Almost 60% of the union voted to support Trump. The union management just couldn’t endorse a Republican. They said it was because there wasn’t unanimous support. Since when is there ever unanimous support for anything?
This whole article is why we should elect Trump for the next four years!
He will not put up with this EV BS.
He has already said if you want to buy an EV, you will be allowed to, but gas is going to be cheaper and ICE vehicle manufacturing will thrive while he is president.
I just hope he can survive in the interim. I think the government is trying to kill him. Routh has no visible means of support, got an AK-47 with a scope (as a convicted felon), knew where Trump was going to be, has been charged multiple times for various felonies and never convicted, and travels all over the world. Tulsi Gabbard is on the terror watch list, but this guy isn’t? WUWT?
This guy really needs to get out of his basement and get a look at the real world.
My horse’s farrier makes well over $100,000 per year and has more business than he can handle. The farrier who works with saddlebred horses charges $400+ to trim and reset every 4-6 weeks. He stays busy too. You should double check your facts.
Maryland passed a law prohibiting internal combustion vehicles after 2035.
So much for supply and demand.
Maryland passed a law prohibiting internal combustion vehicles
That’s the only way most cars sold “will be” electric.
If that law comes to pass (and is not repealed) all of the supply will come from whatever neighboring states have not signed onto that insanity. West Virginia is one such state that buyers who want new gas powered cars will flock to. Many dealerships in Maryland will either sell only used cars or will go out of business.
That’s the reason then that the British Vehicle Rental and Letting Association (BVRLA) recently warned that fleet operators were having to swallow large losses when reselling EVs (usually after 3 years) because the value of a used EV had declined from 60% of it’s original value to 35% leaving the companies facing huge losses.
They also noted that the rate of used EVs coming to the market in the UK was about to double because of the end to salary sacrifice schemes.
The vast majority EV sales in the UK are to fleets and companies, not to individuals. If the fleets are going to be making losses 3 years down the line they are not going to be buying new vehicles in anywhere near the numbers they have in the past and the bottom will fall out of the EV market.
Do you live in the real world? I think not!
For the catastrophic depreciation of BEV’s I recommend watching some YouTube videos by a chap called The MacMaster, who has lost a veritable fortune on his Porsche Taycan.
You’ve out stupided yourself this time. 2030??????????
According to a truck owner of thousands of trucks, EV trucks will destroy all the bridges in the US due to the increase in weight. Stupid liberal ideas–like EV mandates–cause major problems. So they spent 9 billion dollars to build 500,000 charges and only built 9–and two don’t work. Never let the government do something that the private sector can do better and cheaper.
That’s off the wall. You are just stirring the pot.
What was that Hillary said about putting people out of work?
Hillary wants to put people in jail now, if those people say the wrong thing. The “wrong thing” being anything Hillary disagrees with.
Hillary keeps agitating the psychopaths. Even after two assasination attempts on Trump by the mentally ill, Hillary continues to call Trump a danger to democracy.
The truth is: Hillary Clinton and the other radical Democrats are the real danger to democracy.
When Democrats say Trump is the greatest threat to democracy they are telling the truth.
… wait for it …
What is missing is the Democrats definition of “democracy.” We are a Constitutional Republic. A true democracy is highly socialist.
Trump is a threat to radical Democrat rule. That’s what they are really saying. They want us to think radical Democrat rule is the equivalent of Democracy. I think it is closer to tyranny.
Haven’t you heard, Tom? It’s his fault he’s being targeted. And asking Dems if they’ll stop using “threat” is a “dangerous question”.
I see Trump just said the democrats are a threat to democracy. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5132995/trump-claims-democrats-real-threat-democracy
So he thinks when others use those words against him it incites crazies to shoot at him… but then he goes and uses those words against his political foes. In Trump world that’s ok. Hey Donald, either it’s ok or it’s not. Which one is it?
Where’s the people trying to shoot at Dems, Simon?
Do you agree with KJP that it’s a “dangerous question” to ask?
How long have Dems been going on with this rhetoric? (hint: it started before Trump was elected)
How much farther have Dems gone than just “threat to democracy”?
Here’s someone who has been listening: This guy doesn’t believe it’s violence to try to take out Trump, it’s defending the country: https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1836444033364955162
You’re perfectly ok with this from your side for years. You own this.
Say what you want, I’m not going to respond to you further on this thread.
Have you noticed that Democrats try to project their looniness onto conservatives. I agree–I don’t see any MAGAs trying to assassinate their leaders.
Democrats say Trump is an “existential threat to democracy”, “he’s Hitler,” “he’s Mussolini,” and so on. It’s quite a bit more over-the-top than what Trump says. It’s too bad that there isn’t a vaccine for TDS. Every Democrat needs it.
Hah! They should just apply for one of the many well-paid ‘green jobs’ that we’ve been assured will be created by the pursuit of net-zero.
/sarc/
Portugal discovered that every “green job” eliminates three jobs that actually produced something useful.
What Scared Ford’s CEO in China
Jim Farley is changing strategy to combat what he calls an ‘existential threat’ from China’s electric carmakers
Yes, its an interesting piece. The same reason the Japanese got a cost advantage in manufacturing – the network of low cost component and subassembly suppliers, and a focus on automation for quality control. All against a background of minimal unionization and very low regulation.
Not the kind of society or economy that the EU has in mind when moving everyone to EVs.
But the piece is not addressing the main point about EVs. One, there is no EV solution for long distance trucking or buses. Two, governments have it in their power to abolish the ICE car, but the economic and social consequences, which will be very large, have not even begun to be addressed.
We could, in the West, move to all-electric transportation, but it will be a very different society and economy. And we can only do it with much more generating capacity, and that will not come from wind and solar.
China Bans Electric Vehicles from Underground Carparks – Watts Up With That?
The existential threat is Chinese EVs.. that is for sure !!
Just not in the way your tiny little mind thinks.
duplicate. sorry
well, you can’t “own nothing and be happy” if you still have a job, so there’s that.
In their defense…it is Chrysler. They’ve been making crappy products for so long I’m actually shocked they still sell any. They’ve been bought and sold now, what…5 times? 6?
One of my few brand new car purchases was a Chrysler Lebaron GTS in 1987. I bought it based on reviews in magazines and I really enjoyed the car on its face. It was comfortable, fast, good looking, handled amazing…and was a complete piece of crap. It spent more time at the dealership getting warranty work than it did in my driveway. I got rid of it as soon as the warranty expired. Last Chrysler product I ever owned.
I travel a lot for work. A few years ago I was “upgraded” to one of the new Chargers. It was virtually brand new and I hated it. It handled like a pig, throttle was boggy and most of the interior was plastic that felt like it was made in a Chinese toy factory.
It’s such a shame. In my youth I was a dedicated MOPAR guy. My first car was a ’73 Dodge Charger SE with a 440 Magnum and Carter Thermoquad 4barrel carb. I loved that car. I sold it when I got married because I didn’t think the 2 door, 10mpg land rocket was a much of a family car, but I still have very fond memories of it.
You will have nothing, but you will be happy.
— WEF
As usual Trump was right, and also as usual, the democrats and media lie about what he says. He stated that there would be a ‘bloodbath’ in Michigan if they reelected Biden or Harris, specifically referring to the EV mandates and job losses. The media and dems lie and accuse him of inciting violence. When you have no policy – lie.
What’s that old saying about the most feared words? “Hi! I’m from the Government and I’m here to help you.”
Those laid off auto workers learned the hard way why that still rings true.
(Maybe, someday, welcomed words will be, “Hi! I’m from the Government and I’m going to get out of your way.”)
It was a Reagan quote, and he said, “The nine most feared words are: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” “
If government entities, Federal, State, and local were required to transition to EV’s first, that would be the end of EV mandates, pure and simple.
It may not be the end of the mandate, but they would never be able to accomplish the mandate.
I don’t see how anyone can be surprised that we have gotten to this point. Democrats are not communicating in code, They have flat out told us they intend to move to fossil fuel/carbon free society. What did the auto unions think that the democrats meant everyone but them? Their first target was coal it only makes sense that oil would be next.