From Dr. Koonin’s email:
Tuesday, June 11, at 1000 US East Coast time, I’ll be in a live online conversation with Andy Revkin and Roger Pielke Jr. The goal is to test some of the ideas in my book Unsettled, whose updated and expanded edition will be released that day.
Here is a description of the event and links to listen in/participate.
It’s rare to get a serious conversation between informed people who have significantly different points of view. So this session might be quite informative.
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Revkin? Informed?
Jeff ==> Revkin has a science journalist for decades and knows what he is talking about. I have gone back and forth with him for years and years during his ‘more alarmist’ periods, and supported him during his ‘more realist’ years. His opinion pendulum is currently swinging towards Climate Realism.
The Climate Catastrophists will be apologetic over his having both Pielke Jr and Koonin on his show, and agreeing with them.
I get that, Kip. But the fact that he started out with alarmism doesn’t speak well to either his intelligence, or his integrity.
The brainwashing is so intense, it’s easy to start off the wrong way. Here in Wokeachusetts, I was never exposed until a few years ago to smart climate skepticism- whenever climate skepticism is mentioned, it’s always in a very negative way. A friend pointed me to this site- and I discovered Tony Heller and others on YouTube. It’s not that I was really into AGW, it’s just that it’s presented here as fundamentalist fact. Now I try to spread the word- but nobody here is listening.
Apologetic or apoplectic? Maybe an auto-correct thingy.
“His opinion pendulum is currently swinging towards Climate Realism.”
Deserves credit for changing his mind- a not common behavior nowadays.
Devil’s portrait vandalised
Animal Rising protesters put a picture of the cartoon character Wallace from the animation Wallace & Gromit over King Charles’s portrait.
https://www.gbnews.com/royal/king-charles-new-portrait-vandalised-london-art-gallery
So very juvenile
Sort of appropriate. After all, Gromit (not Wallace) is the one with the brains.
And not even a good parody. Wallace’s ears are nowhere near as big as Chucks.
Hey, I like Wallace, but I can’t say the same about Charles.
“Smashing toast there, Gromit.”
Since the first edition was published in 2021 we’ve broken the global warmest year record yet again (2023), and by a significant margin.
Wonder if that makes the update?
Buy a copy and read it.
Thanks for confirming that the 2023 El Nino was the cause.
Effect started earlier in the year, lasted longer, consequently, a lot more of the year than usual was under El Nino event conditions, as clearly seen form the graph below.
Actually started at about the same temperature as the 2016 El Nino.. so no warming between the El Nino starts in 2016 and 2023
Do you have any evidence of human causation ??
“…. we’ve broken the global
warmest yearclimate improvement record yet again….”fixed it
Listen to the video..
Steven Koonin clearly mentions the very recent strong El Nino.
In the book or not, will depend on when the book was finalised, not when it was released.
I was disappointed in the content. There was an underlying assumption throughout the entire discussion that there is a “climate problem” that we need to solve. CO2 mitigation is the policy tool that will “heal” the climate. What nonsense. Will Happer’s statements at the beginning that CO2 is a positive externality hit the nail on the head.
Koonin’s comment at the end, drawing an analogy between the current condition of the “Energy Transition” and Wiley Coyote, having run off a cliff and briefly suspended himself in space was, for me, the most appropriate moment.
I think we have to accept some hesitancy on the part of these gentlemen to push forward too boldly, knowing the deluge of attacks that will rain down on them, regardless of what they say. Pielke’s subdued approach impresses me as one that is the most likely to enable actual productive dialogue.
Maybe subdued is best but I don’t agree- I favor pushing forward boldly. Why should they worry about “the deluge of attacks that will rain down on them”. Time to man up – it’s a war, a world war! What would Churchill say?
Where is it getting us?
Given the attacks on Roger i don’t think his ideas have been experienced as ‘subdued’. I think Koonin’s approach is much more acceptable to a lot of people who have doubts about the climate alarmism. In the end the sheer number of them will steer the ship unto a different direction. Pielke is academically solid but not as likeable. This will not be decided by academics but by politicians feeling the heat. My darker thoughts say that the politicians will keep accepting money from the big players, corruption being systemic in the US.
I am starting to believe we need to cease emphasizing the lies about climate and come down heavy on the financial realities that everyone will suffer from, if the “Green Transition” continues. The recent election results in Europe seem to reinforce that conclusion.
Agreed. And Koonin’s book is a big help. So is Lomborg’s. Those 2 books will persuade those on the fence to see sense. The green transition is of course a priori an impossibillity.
Great show, hoping for a transcript.
You can see the transcript on the YouTube version if you click on a button.
Good discussion. The point that Dr. Koonin raises is interesting. The world has warmed by 1.3C in the last 100 years and human prosperity has boomed. All good for every factor of life. Why then is the assumption made that further warming is a negative? Who says? Isn’t it more probable that another 1.3C will be a net benefit?
Yes, let’s go another 1.3C and see if the trend continues. In fact, lets not worry about it getting warmer until its clear that it is no longer beneficial.
My whole problem with Global Warming being a threat, let alone an issue, is that in the whole of the geologic record there are multiple instances where warming was beneficial to life and cold (as bad as snowball earth) was detrimental. So why are we so concerned about a warming of a degree or two from the low of a mini-ice age. This simply doesn’t make logical sense.
but… but… the wealthy have mansions on the coast- don’t your fear for them with rising seas? /s
Koonin has an article in today’s WSJ. I saw it in a library so I don’t have a digital copy. Perhaps one of the editors here can find a digital copy and post it as a new essay?
I agree w Pielke on most things in regards Climate but in this video he is grossly unfair to Koonin. There is no way one can come to the conclusion that Koonin somehow falls into a ‘manichean’ trap. He doesnt understand the real value of presenting people w the facts of an unsettled climate science to try and make people think about the mainstream narrative. He undervalues its effect. If Koonin had gone Pielke’s direction it wouldve been an academic discussion on the fringes instead of highlighting doubtful alarmist ideology. Maybe Pielke is bruised by his experiences having gone quite hard against the climate narrative and his unfair dismissal by the usual crowd. So, to me it is in the end a matter of efficacy. Koonin’s book is the one i give to those who might be willing to take a closer look at the climate narrative. It is non threatening and not easily dismissed. Plus, Koonin always appears suave and balanced. We need a nice guy. A bruiser will hit a wall..
After watching the whole video maybe i was a little harsh on Roger.
You should always trust the scientists and their settled science-
Why Dr Nick Coatsworth is done with any more vaccine jabs (msn.com)
and do as you’re told.
The video is well worth watching. [and works at 1.5x speed]
And both Koonin & Pielke should be supported since they both interpret the data in ways the alarmists have great difficulty in refuting [so they just attack the source & deplatform them].
I’m buying Koonin’s new book even though I’ve already read the 1st edition.
I’m already a paying subscriber to Pielke’s The Honest Broker substack blog. [Check it out: his recent climate related post (about RCP8.5) just got banned from Facebook. ]
Same here. I enjoyed Koonin’s book, and am looking forward to the update. I also am a paid sub to Pielke’s substack because I value his work and his efforts to keep research more honest, despite not agreeing with him on everything. Then again, if one agrees 100% with anyone else, it’s usually not a good thing. Differences force growth.
Both gentlemen serve highly valuable purposes in the larger discussion.