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Richard Greene
March 31, 2024 2:06 am

Leftists have been using the same strategy for over a century to gain power.

Create Fear with a boogeyman, which can be real and exaggerated (Covid) or fake (CO2), often based in junk science (CO2) or wild guess science (Covid)

Get the public to demand “Do Something”

Seize more political power and control over the private sector with new regulations and mandates for “public safety” or to “save the planet”.

Reply to  Richard Greene
March 31, 2024 2:26 am

Covid is real, contrary to the fear of rainbows. Or cities. Or public transport. Or..i don’t know, whatever fox news is pushing at the moment.

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 2:45 am

Leukophobia is very real.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 4:04 am

Covid is real and nasty. But nowhere near as nasty as the crappy modelling foretold. It was the hysterics prompted by the software that did the damage.

You’d think Boris’ famous inability to read a graph might have saved us. He started out advocating what Sweden persevered with, but then he lost his nerve. (Not that he is a man of great conviction at any time.)

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 4:18 am

Try to read some words about the German RKI files, than you know what Covid was and what not.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 5:08 am

It’s real- but Sweden had better luck dealing with it than most of the rest of the world. They did it without panicking and authoritarianism.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 31, 2024 12:07 pm

Mean distance between people and was much higher in Sweden than in say NYC, not to mention the number of people within 10 feet or so during a day being quite different, probably had a lot to do with Sweden’s “luck” and NYC hospitals needing refrigerated trucks for temporary morgues. Just sayin’…having said, agreed…the CoVid authoritarianism was over the top pretty well everywhere.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 7:38 am

Covid is real and is no threat to most of the population.

Simon
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
March 31, 2024 12:35 pm

Covid is real and is no threat to most of the population.”
Tell that to the 1.2 million who have died… Using your logic, cancer, or deaths by drug overdose, or drunk driving, are no threat to “most” of the population either, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take them seriously.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2024 12:43 pm

There is still no answer to the question:
“Did they die OF COVID or die WITH COVID?

Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2024 3:45 pm

Nobody takes you seriously simpleton…. you are a bad joke, if anything at all.

Editor
Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2024 4:06 pm

Yes, people did die from early strains of the coronavirus – but officialdom helped them to die by telling them to do nothing until they were so ill that they had to go to hospital. And just to make sure, they demonised and/or banned anything that night have helped.

Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2024 6:45 pm

Tell that to the 1.2 million who have died”, of, with, or what? Is there any possibilitly of getting reliable statistics on Covid mortality, given the way inflation of them was encouraged by governments and the medical community, and uncritically passed on by the mass media?

Simon
Reply to  otropogo
March 31, 2024 11:02 pm

 Is there any possibilitly of getting reliable statistics “

Yep… https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/countries-where-coronavirus-has-spread/

Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2024 5:38 pm

Such a pity the power behind Big Pharma didn’t allow the use of medicines that had been proven to work.

The losses and deaths are totally and squarely at the feet of those…

… who built the virus…

… who sent infected patients into nursing homes…

… and those who DENIED the use of proven anti-virals for early intervention.

A truly sickening sequence of events, supported by cretins like you.

Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2024 7:12 pm

“229 Countries and Territories around the world have reported a total of 704,541,829 confirmed cases of the coronavirus COVID-19 that originated from Wuhan, China, and a death toll of 7,008,961 deaths.”

And what evidence do you have that these “reported” figures are accurate, or even at all meaningful?

Early on in the pandemic, there was a report on CBC national news of five hundred people in British Columbia who were recalled to be revaccinated with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine (the only one available to most Canadians at the time), because it had been discovered that the vaccine was not stored at the proper temperature.

The story never came up again, and I have never seen another story of the same kind.since. Is it even remotely plausible that with millions of people receiving this extremely temperature-sensitive vaccine, this was the only such case in the world?

There’s never even been any discussion in the mass media about the uniquely remarkable vulnerabilities of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, beginning with the first-ever need for careful in the field assembly (dilution, then “stirred, not shaken”), followed by the unheard of storage requirements.

One would think there would have been many lots condemned to the garbage bin, but I never heard of any. Of course, all of these problems can easily be solved with fake statistics, silenced critics, and lots of propaganda from the same “trusted sources” whose intrepid investigative reporters gave us “weapons of mass destruction” and the 50 Kuwaiti premies “murdered” by the Iraqui army.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 10:41 am

That’s what RG said.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 3:46 pm

“contrary to the fear of rainbows… blah, blah…”

wt* are you yabbering about this time !!

Reply to  Richard Greene
March 31, 2024 6:55 am

In the case of CAGW the activity of the “leftists” continues to enrich the big businesses that are providing the renewable infrastructure. There may well be a hefty percentage of “leftist” thinking in the government, academia, media, finance and legal industry, gathering in what funds they can but in the end their efforts result in enormous revenues for corporations that build wind farms, CO2 sequestration projects, solar arrays and hydrogen generation facilities with public subsidies. These corporations are led and staffed by individuals that move back and forth between academia, government and business. This isn’t only true about the renewable energy field. It’s also the case with defense research and spending, agriculture and almost any branch of science.

The corruption in US society has always been present but is now so prevalent that it can no longer be ignored even if it’s tolerated.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  general custer
March 31, 2024 7:39 am

Ike warned us.

Reply to  general custer
March 31, 2024 7:46 am

What you have stated very well applies across the entire span of economic activity. I don’t blame ‘corporations’, but rather the rise of a regulatory ‘state’ that has allowed corporations to do what they were never able to do before, namely to effectively ‘cartelize’ the production of goods and services.

The question is the remedy. Maybe we can vote our way out of this, but I think it more realistic that relief will require some serious pushback from the states if we are to avoid falling into a collectivist abyss.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 31, 2024 8:38 am

Corporations are a creation of the regulatory state and wouldn’t exist without it. Corporate taxes make the state a shareholder in the business, just as other taxes make the state a dominant member of each and every family. As the state continues in its effort to eliminate the family, it concentrates on its relationship with the individual, erecting an inescapable regulatory structure around each one. Previous empires merely sucked the wealth excess to that needed for survival without requiring that every citizen and even the rest of the world’s population ascribe to their ideology. We’re living in a time truly unique in world history.

Reply to  general custer
March 31, 2024 10:07 am

Corporations choose to ‘incorporate’ in a specific state, e.g., Delaware, under whose laws (UCC) they legally operate, while limiting the liability of their investors to the latter’s investment in the corporation. The vast majority of corporations have no ability to coerce other corporations, non-corporate firms or individuals to do anything. The actual problem is the symbiotic relationship that has developed between corporations and a coercive regulatory state that benefits both at the expense of consumers and/or taxpayers. Reducing the scope of the Federal regulatory apparatus is the cure, not the elimination of corporations.

ethical voter
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 31, 2024 12:43 pm

You are already in a collectivist abyss. The towering walls around you are political parties. Both left and right they are all collectivist constructs built by deluded voters. Yes you can vote your way out by voting for independents a.k.a. individuals. The antithesis of collectivists.

Reply to  ethical voter
March 31, 2024 4:32 pm

‘Yes you can vote your way out by voting for independents…’

Bernie Sanders is an ‘Independent’.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 31, 2024 7:11 pm

Where is Bernie, BTW? I haven’t seen him on BBC, PBS, Amanpour, or CBC. Is he being held chained and gagged somewhere? I see and hear American, English, and Canadian Jews being interviewed on all the above “news” channels, often by fellow Jews, but never hear the words murder, massacre, or genocide from their mouths. I guess we’re never going to see “Nurnberg- the sequel”…

It’s like we’re at the Hypocrisy Olympiad.

The country that conceived and put on the Nurnberg Trials, and later extradited John Demianjuk to be tried convicted and condemned IN GERMANY! to die in prison for 27,000 counts of “accessory to murder” for taking a job in a German death camp to escape starvation as as a Ukrainian POW , has now itself racked up more than that number in just six months, and is still supplying the murderers with the tools to continue the massacre.

I’m guessing the intrepid German prosecutors who went after Demianjuk won’t even ask to extradite the Biden administration and the members of Congress who enthusiastically supported this bloodbath.

ethical voter
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 31, 2024 8:04 pm

I did not say any independent. The point of independents is that the bar is very high and those who are successful still require majority support of coleges to achieve objectives. This would be a level of democracy that would make the status quo look as sick as it is.

March 31, 2024 2:08 am

Yeah, Open Thread Time! All the bookmarks I saved for you.
BYD says plug-in electrics will exceed 50 pct of new car sales in China in next 3 months

https://thedriven.io/2024/03/19/byd-says-plug-in-electrics-will-exceed-50-pct-of-new-car-sales-in-china-in-next-3-months/

Filling Nuclear Power’s $5 Trillion Hole Is Beyond the Banks
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/filling-nuclear-power-5-trillion-095534377.html?_guc_consent_skip=1711875876

Portuguese consumers barely noticed energy crisis thanks to renewables:
https://www.rechargenews.com/wind/portuguese-consumers-barely-noticed-energy-crisis-thanks-to-renewables-official/2-1-1617307

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 2:36 am

Thanks… but no thanks.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 4:07 am

Let us know when you buy your BYD, muppet !!

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 4:17 am

Portugal has a lot of HYDRO and uses GAS for back-up.. and always will.

Reality is they import a LOT of their energy and fossil fuel is a very major part of their energy consumption.

Following recent elections, the leader of a centre-right coalition has been invited to form a minority government, which could be less enthusiastic about the country’s green power expansion than its socialist predecessor administration.

Portugal-energy
Reply to  bnice2000
March 31, 2024 4:48 am

Germany to shut down seven more coal power plant units as country exits winter
Seven lignite-fired power plant units with a combined capacity of 3.1 gigawatt will finally be shut down in Germany at the end of March, after their decommissioning had been postponed due to the energy crisis, news agency dpa reported in an article published in the Süddeutsche Zeitung.

That will be tomorrow…

Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 31, 2024 5:22 am
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 31, 2024 6:05 am

“after their decommissioning had been postponed due to the energy crisis,”

The energy crisis is ongoing. Germany should keep all their powerplants running.

It is shocking that German politicians cannot see the writing on the wall. They are doing all the wrong things. As fast as they can.

A real, dangerous, destructive, lack of competent leadership in Germany.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2024 6:18 am

Unfortunately you are absolut correct.
If only they would know how to use a pocket calculator or how to start Excel and how to use it.
But to follow their belief and ideology is much more simple.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 31, 2024 4:39 pm

And next Winter…????

Reply to  bnice2000
March 31, 2024 4:56 am

Permit issued for dismantling of Isar 2
Germany’s PreussenElektra has received approval from the Bavarian State Ministry for the Environment and Consumer Protection for the dismantling of the Isar 2 nuclear power plant.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 31, 2024 6:06 am

Pure stupidity.

Reply to  bnice2000
March 31, 2024 12:15 pm

If you have hydro, the cheapest back-up somewhere 3/4 of the way along the grid is a natural gas powered turbine generating station. Sounds like Portugal is doing a good job. Gov’t sponsored monopoly or private enterprise would be the appropriate question. Of course having hydro available is a blessing.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 5:09 am

don’t believe everything you read on the internet

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 6:13 am

Kook links DENIED.

Scissor
Reply to  karlomonte
March 31, 2024 7:21 am

Your filter is better than mine.

Simon
Reply to  karlomonte
April 1, 2024 12:05 pm

“Kook links DENIED.”
Says the man who references the racist “Gateway Repugnant.”

Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2024 5:22 pm

Another irrelevant and moronic comment… a standard simpleton post !!

Scissor
Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 7:19 am

China is still building coal power plants at a high rate. For them, it makes economic sense to displace petroleum with coal.

Editor
Reply to  Scissor
March 31, 2024 4:11 pm

So China’s EVs are coal-fired. They are smart people.

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 7:45 am

I like it when you try to post a joke 😀

Reply to  MyUsername
March 31, 2024 4:09 pm

The BYD piece is interesting. The picture is completely different from that in the UK market. [Assuming the numbers in the piece are correct. It would be nice to see confirmation from other sources.]

The Chinese have taken the other horn of the dilemma from the UK – well, they don’t consider there to be any dilemma so much as one obvious choice – they have opted for heavy investment in coal power generation, which will give them enough dispatchable power to convert transport to electric, if that’s what they want to do.

They may be right – their course will lower immediate air pollution in the cities, at least from exhaust fumes, though it may increase particulate pollution. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

They have the power which the UK lacks of being able to just issue instructions to their population, so they can fairly easily make the large social changes that a largely or wholly EV system will require. Be interesting to see what they are.

In the UK its becoming obvious that running an EV will be both very expensive and very difficult for most people – because of lack of charging points, and the use of smart meters to limit charging. And the lack of charging points is down to lack of power capacity, which is only going to get worse as the attempt to move to net zero generation or close to it by 2030 continues.

Years ago the UK went through its own energy crisis. The saying then was, make sure your heating and cooking runs on gas. Because its impossible to turn off gas, turning it back on again is a logistical nightmare. Whereas electricity, strikes can produce power outages of any duration at any time. Or they could back in the day.

The UK is getting to the point where people will be buying ICE cars for a similar reason, you can be sure of being able to refuel them….

The UK, interestingly enough, people have resorted to powering charge points with diesel generators. Strange, what can be classified as green when you are in a tight corner.

Reply to  MyUsername
April 2, 2024 7:02 am

From today’s FT.

BYD reported a 42 per cent fall in its electric vehicle deliveries in the first three months of the year compared to the final quarter of 2023, setting the stage for Tesla to reclaim the crown as the world’s largest seller of battery electric vehicles.

Flagging demand and increasing competition in its home market, as well as the timing of Chinese new year, saw BYD sell 300,114 battery-only vehicles in the March quarter, a Hong Kong stock exchange filing showed on Monday.

strativarius
March 31, 2024 2:34 am

Going net zero

Labour: the party of deindustrialisationThe Port Talbot job losses are just a taste of the green-fuelled misery to come.

Jo Stephens was in Holyhead, north Wales, standing beside Labour leader Keir Starmer as he proudly announced his party’s plan to ‘decarbonise’ the UK’s electricity supply. A Labour government, Starmer promised, would set up a nationalised renewable-energy firm to help reach his party’s goal of a carbon-free electricity grid by 2030 – five years ahead of the Tories’ current target.
In the space of just a few days, Labour higher-ups went from bemoaning the destruction of industry, jobs and community that is being wrought by the Net Zero agenda to boasting about their plans to vastly accelerate the Net Zero agenda. What is going on?
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/30/labour-the-party-of-deindustrialisation/

A green job is an ex job.

Reply to  strativarius
March 31, 2024 3:03 am

Having no electricity will certainly be carbon free.

March 31, 2024 3:38 am

Roger Caiazza’s recent post about the New York situation mentioned this NYSERDA solicitation for public relations services. Please take a few minutes to read the entire Scope of Services section.

https://portal.nyserda.ny.gov/servlet/servlet.FileDownload?file=00P8z000003pFfoEAE

The train is accelerating toward the foreseeable wreck, but they are determined to squelch the “negative viewpoint” of anyone who sounds a fact-based warning.

An excerpt:

*************
“NYSERDA requests proposals from public relations professionals or public relations firms interested in providing public relations/communications services to advance the goals of NYSERDA and the Climate Leadership Community and Protection Act (Climate Act) by building awareness of and support for the Climate Act and assisting in developing a narrative around New York State’s clean energy and climate priorities and providing rapid response communications services, if necessary. Services will be sought to assist in the following areas:
• Support NYSERDA in managing current events related to NYSERDA’s work;
• Ensure reputation management for NYSERDA and New York State as a clean energy leader by building awareness of and support for the Climate Act and its initiatives; and
• Assist with developing messaging through various communication channels around New York State’s clean energy and climate priorities while also being able to rapidly respond to negative viewpoints and perceptions about the State’s climate and clean energy goals under the Climate Act, the costs associated with the Climate Act, and challenges to particular policies and programs.” 
**************

Half a million dollars of New Yorkers’ OWN MONEY to counter the “perceptions” that are obvious to all.

Not that many years ago, NYSERDA had an incentive program for CNG-fueled cars and other vehicles. It made sense with the success being achieved through “fracking.” How times have changed.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  David Dibbell
March 31, 2024 4:43 pm

A lot of “talk”… to the tune of chattering teeth during cold weather?

UK-Weather Lass
March 31, 2024 3:47 am

Meanwhile another EV self destructs in Buckingham Gate, London SW1 an access route for Buckingham Palace etc..

This time the vehicle involved is an electric rickshaw whose demise was apparently accompanied by popping sounds and a fire quickly extinguished by London’s brilliant fire brigade. The story of course is how close this happened to our Monarch’s London home and not the fact that these battery powered vehicles can be real menaces.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68700768

MrGrimNasty
March 31, 2024 4:16 am

If we’re leading the rest of the world, why is the rest of the world laughing their faces off?

https://twitter.com/NetZeroWatch/status/1774345095199810031

March 31, 2024 4:58 am

Excerpt from:
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hunga-tonga-volcanic-eruption
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Molecules Absorbing Photons Excites Molecules and Creates Heat 
https://nov79.com/gbwm/ntyg.html
.
Photons are very small packets of energy with various frequencies; E = h x f; h = 6.626 x 10^-34, Planck’s constant.
c/f = y, is wavelength; c = 3 x 10^8 meter, the speed of light in a vacuum.
Infrared photons have low energies, because of low frequency and long wavelengths.
If y = 15 micrometers, E = 1.325 x 10^-20 joule; 1/y = wavenumber.
,
Molecules, Photons, Total Extinction
Excerpt from article by Dr. Cyril Huijsmans, a Dutch Research Scientist Retired from Shell
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-greenhouse-model-and-co2-contribution
.
C.7.1, CO2
Radiation, E, emitted by the earth at 15 micrometer wavelength, and line width of 2 micrometer, is 0.0042 W/cm2  C.6.3
Photon energy, per Planck is Ef = hc/λ  C.7.1
Ef = (6.626 x 10^-34) x (3 x 10^8)/(15 x 10^-6) = 1.325 x 10^-20 joule
Photons emitted is 0.0042/(1.325 x 10^-20) = 3.17 x 10^17 per cm^2, per second.
At sea level, at 288 K, air density at 1.223 kg/m^3, CO2 at 400 ppm, CO2 molecules is 1.012 x 10^22 per m^3
.
The Dr. Heinz Hug (ref #1) experiment measured virtually total extinction within 10 m.
Time frame for absorption is 10/(3 x 10^8) = 3.333 x 10^-8 second, or 0.0333 microsecond.
In such a timeframe, emitted photons is 3.17 x 10^17 x 0.0333 x 10 ^-6 = 1.0556 x 10^10 
In a column of air, 1 cm^2 and 10 m high, for extinction, CO2 at 400 ppm, CO2 molecules is 1 x 10^19
Ratio of CO2 molecules and photons for extinction is (1 x 10^19)/(1.0556 x 10^10) = 9.47 x 10^8 molecule/photon
.
In a column of air, 1 cm^2 and 80 km high, CO2 at 400 ppm, CO2 molecules is 8.28 x 10^21
Fraction of CO2 molecules participating in extinction is (1 x 10^19)/(8.28 x 10^21) = 0.0012, or 0.12%
This is independent of the way the excitation energy is dissipated, be-it by collisions or by radiation.
,
C.7.2, WV
WV is the most dominant greenhouse gas.
Above about 10 km, WV ppm is near zero. 
Average concentration of WV in the TS is about 0.4% volume, or 4000 ppm.
With average WV density of 0.6 kg/m^3, in a column of air, 1 cm^2 and 10 km high, WV molecules is (volume x density/mol wgt.) x number of Avogadro x concentration, or 600 kg/29 x (6 x 10^23) x (4000 x 10^-6) = 4.96 x 10^22 molecules 
.
In 150 m there is full extinction of BB radiation. It sets a time frame of 0.5 microsecond
A column of air, 1 cm^3 and 150 m high, at 288 K, at 10^5 Pa, at ρ = 1.223 kg/m3, contains 0.0183 kg air. 
Air molecules is (18.3/29) x (6 x 10^23) = 3.79 x 10^23  C.1 and C.2
At 4000 ppm, within 150 m, WV molecules is (4000 x 10^-6) x (3.79 x 10^23) = 1.516 x 10^21
WV molecules participating in full extinction is (1.516 x 10^21)/(4.96 x 10^22) = 0.305 x 10^-1 = 0.0305, or 3%. 
.
Average wavelength in BB radiation is about 15.4 micrometer
Energy of average photon is Ef = hc/λ = (6.626 x 10^-34) x (3 x 10^8)/(15.4 x 10^-6) = 1.291 x 10^-20 Joule
Total BB radiation is 0.0459 W/cm^2 C.6.6
Photon flux is 0.0459/(1.291 x 10^-20) = 3.56 x 10^18 per cm^2, per second
Photon extinction, within 150 m, timeframe 0.5 microsecond, is (0.5 x 10^-6) x (3.56 x 10^18) = 1.78 x 10^12 photons
Ratio of WV molecules and photons, for extinction is (1.516 x 10^21)/(1.78 x 10^12) =
8.51 x 10^8 molecule/photon.
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Those percentages fully absorb the earth’s BB radiation, at their specific absorption wavelengths, at 300 K. See Image 11A and URL
The rest of the WV molecules first gained their energy by evaporation, then by collisions.
The rest of the CO2 molecules, and almost all other atmosphere molecules gained their energy by collisions.
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http://www.john-daly.com/forcing/hug-barrett.htm
http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm

Reply to  wilpost
March 31, 2024 5:07 am

https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hunga-tonga-volcanic-eruption

NOTE: This graph is: 1) Based on a low value of WV at the surface of 7750 ppm. See pg. 9 of ADA URL; 2) Does not account for WV-to-CO2 molecule ratio; 3) Understates the H20 area and overstates the CO2 area (the 0 ppm squiggle should be lower). See pg. 4 of clintel URL; 4) Does not sufficiently account for overlap of WV and CO2 spectra; 5) Should be based on 14500 to 17722 ppm, because almost all IR photon extinction occurs less than 200 meter from the surface.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA175173.pdf
https://clintel.org/doubling-co2-increases-absorption-by-only-a-few-percent/
.
https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/12403702655?profile=RESIZE_710x

Reply to  wilpost
March 31, 2024 12:41 pm

Wilpost,
Windtaskforce articles are pretty good, as always good john-daly. But I find Nov 79 site contains fundamental errors about IR and BB such as “The emissivity of nitrogen and oxygen gasses should be closed to 100%, since they do not reflect IR significantly.”….which is nonsense…N2 and O2 are transparent to IR at Earthly temperatures. So when your IR camera looks through N2 and O2 it “sees” only IR emitted by whatever is on the other side….which is not 100% emissivity but 100% ineffective…..

March 31, 2024 5:06 am

I like the image at the top- reminds me of a nice summer day back in ’70. 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 31, 2024 12:59 pm

A big problem is that the more articles are requested of ChatGPT and subsequently get put “out there” by the media, the more its research algorithms reinforce its consensus view.

For example, an internet search and thus ChatGPT will tell you that old glass is thicker at the bottom because glass “flows” over time, when in fact that is not true at all. Much like increased extreme weather due to AGW. But how do you get the falsehood deleted from cyberspace when so called “fact-checkers” aren’t smart enough to interpret the validity of their own searches.

David Wojick
March 31, 2024 5:33 am

My take on chat bots:
https://www.cfact.org/2024/03/16/ai-chat-bots-are-automated-wikipedias-warts-and-all/

They can be wrong, biased or lying, just like humans.

Reply to  David Wojick
March 31, 2024 6:09 am

Artificial Intelligence should be fact-checked every time it is used.

David Wojick
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2024 8:04 am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)#:~:text=ChatGPT%20has%20also%20been%20observed,provide%20even%20more%20misleading%20information.

The AI industry calls it hallucinations. Bit of a mystery. Chat GBT sometimes makes up journals that it cites.

Curious George
Reply to  David Wojick
March 31, 2024 10:04 am

AI has to be “trained” on a huge collection of texts. It does implement the great ide of Dr. Joseph Goebbels: A LIE REPEATED 1000 TIMES BECOMES TRUTH.

Reply to  David Wojick
March 31, 2024 10:51 am

Sounds like it is qualified to run for president on the Democrat platform.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  David Wojick
March 31, 2024 1:00 pm

If you task true AI (I suspect much claimed AI is just sophisticated programming with an agenda to spread), the true AI will find the best way to accomplish the task without regard to what we call lying. True AI does not possess morals and deceit is not anything it knows. It only wants to complete the task as soon as it can with the least amount of energy spent. But,if you could write the code for morals, who’s morals would you code for…. Muslims. Hebrews, Christians, Pedophiles, Nazis, etc?

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2024 12:38 pm

Artificial Intelligence should be fact-checked every time it is used.”
Absolutely, couldn’t agree more Tom. I fact check Trumps artificial (waning) intelligence every time he uses it.

Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2024 3:32 pm

Don’t worry, reading your posts I know there is neither natural nor AI behind, no check necessary 😀

Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2024 3:50 pm

Trump’s intellect is about 10 magnitudes more than yours will ever be, simpleton.

You are one step away from that of a Biden . !

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
March 31, 2024 11:00 pm

At least I don’t resort to hocking bibles. It’s like mother Theresa trying to flog machine guns

Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2024 3:25 am

Trump spent his time last Friday consoling a murdered policeman’s wife and family, including the policeman’s one-year old child.

They said Trump leaned over and kissed the baby on the forehead right before he left the room and the baby clapped for Trump.

And the priest who married the couple and presided over the funeral said that when Trump left the room containing all the relatives, that the relatives broke out in spontaneous applause, and the priest said he had never seen that happen before at a wake.

Trump’s visit also sent a message to every first responder in the nation that they are important, and deserve respect, and they matter, at least to former president Trump (and to all of us).

Joe Biden, on the same day, was at a fundraising gatherining in New York City. He didn’t bother to acknolwledge the murdered policeman’s death, he didn’t contact the family, and he didn’t cosole the police. So we see what is important to Joe Biden.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 1, 2024 7:31 am

And Creepy Joe tried to relabel Easter as “trans”-something-or-other.

What a classy creep.

Simon
Reply to  karlomonte
April 1, 2024 12:19 pm

Ah yes, but he has a long way to go before he out creeps the man who was screwing a porn star while his wife was giving birth. Now that is the king of creep.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 1, 2024 12:13 pm

“They said Trump leaned over and kissed the baby on the forehead right before he left the room and the baby clapped for Trump.”
Trump is a politician it is what they do… kiss babies. And babies clap. Are you trying to imply that this baby somehow had a sense for the mans moral character? If so I would argue that’s not true given the baby didn’t vomit.
And it is a pity Trump wasn’t so keen to support the police who endured violence and death on Jan 6, because of his selfish attempts to subvert the democratic process.

Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2024 5:32 pm

Your TDS knows no bounds does it.

A deep abyss of ignorance and mindlessmess.

The police and security actually led people through the building.

People trying to make sure the democratic process was not subverted by the fraud of the Biden counting machine.

Death was an un-armed female, shot by police.

But let’s not go look at the thuggery and hatred of the far-left AntiFa, BLM etc.. where police were actually badly injured and massive damage done to property..

Donald’s character is many levels above anything you will reach

You are stuck in the bottom of your putrid little mind-sewer.

Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2024 11:29 am

“Are you trying to imply that this baby somehow had a sense for the mans moral character?”

No, the baby doesn’t have any more of a sense of Trump’s character than you do.

But the family members had a sense of Trump’s character and they applauded him as he left. They appreciated the gesture he made.

You have TDS real bad, Simon. Stop listening to the leftwing propagada because all they do is lie about Trump.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 2, 2024 12:34 pm

But the family members had a sense of Trump’s character and they applauded him as he left. They appreciated the gesture he made.”
I am sure they did. And what a terrible tragedy for them. But, from Trumps point of view, was it a nice gesture, or a political move to highlight a point? My distrust of “all” politicians says it was maybe a mix of both, but probably more of the latter, particularly so going into the election months.
“You have TDS real bad, Simon. Stop listening to the leftwing propagada because all they do is lie about Trump.”
I’m surprised you have not worked this out yet, but I do listen to both sides of the political argument. It’s how I determine whether a news story has any merit. It’s why I am here. And you are right I have determined another 4 years of Trump will be problematic for the US and the world…. but you can not tell me given the number of times you have said “Biden is the worst president in history” that you don’t share my intense views on politics?
Anyway I wish we know each other in real life. We would have some great (robust) conversations face to face. It’s what makes the world interesting.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 3, 2024 11:26 am

Further to this (politicians using people) I would really like your take on this Tom. Trump has just had a press conference where he said he met the family of a young woman killed by an illegal. But according to them that never happened….. he lied. In my world that is beyond despicable or have I missed something here?

Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2024 5:26 pm

Poor simpleton.. another mindless empty comment…

…. pertaining to absolutely NOTHING.

Reply to  David Wojick
March 31, 2024 8:06 am

They can be wrong, biased or lying, just like humans.

No, they can’t. Those terms aren’t even wrong when applied to AI. Chat bots create a (more, or less) convincing illlusion.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  quelgeek
March 31, 2024 8:59 am

Thirty-eight years ago, I was sitting in a project status meeting for a nuclear consruction project which had been in progress for five years and which was experiencing the usual issues such large projects experience when senior managers take an undisciplined approach to doing basic Project Management 101.

During the meeting, a senior manager had a slide up on the overhead projector which showed where we were at on the latest project schedule and what was expected of us to meet the next series of schedule objectives.

It was readily apparent to everyone who knew the score that the stated schedule progress as depicted on the slide was neither honest nor accurate, and that the project’s estimated remaining time to complete was delusional.

After the status meeting concluded, in a hallway out of earshot of the senior manager, one of our staff engineers said, “This presentation gives new meaning to the term ‘artifical intelligence'”.

David Wojick
Reply to  quelgeek
March 31, 2024 10:20 am

It is okay to use anthropogenic language because it is emulating human behavior. It is true the machine is not doing this things but those are the things being emulated.

sherro01
Reply to  David Wojick
March 31, 2024 7:59 pm

David W,

Having considered their potential to advance genuine knowledge, I elected to avoid social media soon after its debut. I am now going to avoid pop AI, since it has demonstrated its capacity to mislead.

I have more to do with my short remaining time, than to imitate what woke teenagers find interesting.

Geoff S

March 31, 2024 6:16 am

Happy Easter to all.

He lived, He was crucified, He rose forgiving our sins. Take heart that you are loved.

Rich Davis
Reply to  mkelly
March 31, 2024 7:05 am

He is risen indeed, mk. Happy Easter!

Reply to  mkelly
March 31, 2024 2:55 pm

NAS Romans 1:1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
 2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
 3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
 4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord

sherro01
Reply to  mkelly
April 2, 2024 11:59 pm

mkelly,
If you are replying to my comment just above yours, I am grateful for the recognition and deserved praise. Happy Easter to you.
Geoff S

March 31, 2024 7:23 am

This for all the TDS-inflicted clowns who hang out in WUWT:

https://vigilantnews.com/post/donald-trump-scores-yet-another-major-victory/

Scissor
Reply to  karlomonte
March 31, 2024 9:38 am

It’s quite amazing that in contrast, Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme actually defrauded thousands of investors for billions in losses and his bond was set at $10 million.

Reply to  Scissor
March 31, 2024 10:29 am

I wonder which politicians he donated to.

Richard Page
Reply to  karlomonte
March 31, 2024 4:56 pm

Bernie Madoff got away with his scheme for so long because the investigators made so many mistakes – I’ll stop just short of labelling it incompetence but it was a huge scandal for the SEC – complete and utter embarrassment might have been a reason for the $10m bond. It’ll be interesting to see what happens after Trump holds them to account for their dishonesty and incompetence.

Reply to  karlomonte
April 1, 2024 3:44 am

From the link: “A New York appellate court lowered Trump’s bond from the absurdly high $464 million dollars set by Judge Engoron to ‘only’ $175 million.”

That is a victory for Trump, but the new bond should not have been $175 million, it should have been zero.

There is no victim in this case. Nobody lost any money. Nobody Trump did business with is complaining. Why should Trump have to put up any bond money under these circumstances?

Scissor
Reply to  rhs
March 31, 2024 9:42 am

Anyone can use logic and reason. The author of that piece is a master of fallacious reasoning.

observa
March 31, 2024 8:55 pm
ferdberple
March 31, 2024 10:22 pm

The feds gave hospitals $10k more if a patient died from the covid. It didn’t take long before hospitals chaged with covid to from covid.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  ferdberple
April 1, 2024 5:29 am

Same in UK. Hospitals got extra money in relation to the number of people who died of Covid

ferdberple
March 31, 2024 10:29 pm

Interesting result. A photon with wavelength of Planck length has a schwatzchild diameter greater than Planck length. Theoretically this prevents the photon from emitting EM radiation, only gravitational radiation. This would fit the definition of dark matter and black holes with photon stars at their core.

Reply to  ferdberple
April 1, 2024 3:50 am

Dark matter’s existance is being questioned lately.

The expansion of the universe is being questioned.

Black holes too big for theory are being found.

No tropical troposheric hotspots due to CO2 are being found.

The Science is not settled.