Bankrupt, blackout Britain where the ever-expanding ranks of the poor get clobbered, open borders place intolerable burdens on public spending and services, the rich spivs get richer backing heavily-subsidised energy white elephants – and those of a certain age look back to the good old days of the 1970s. That isn’t quite how Professor Gordon Hughes spells it out in his excellent new report that crunches the energy transition numbers of the collectivist Net Zero project, but it might be considered a fair summation of reading between the lines.
The insanity of Net Zero becomes clearer by the day. The idea that hydrocarbons – a natural resource whose use from medicines to reliable energy is ubiquitous in modern industrial society – can be removed within less than 30 years is ridiculous. In his report published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation, Professor Hughes concerns himself with the transition from hydrocarbons to ‘green’ technologies such as wind and solar. Forget all the politically-inspired low-ball figures of transition, he is suggesting. Looking at you, Climate Change Committee. It is likely that the amount of new investment needed for the transition will be a minimum of 5% of gross domestic product for the next 20 years, and might exceed 7.5%. Gordon Hughes is a former World Bank economist, and is Professor of Economics at the University of Edinburgh.
There is no chance of borrowing such an “astronomical” amount, notes Hughes, and the only viable way to raise the cash for new capital expenditure would be a two decades-long reduction in private consumption of up to 10%. “Such a shock has never occurred in the last century outside war, and even then never for more than a decade,” he notes.
Recent polling in the U.S. has shown that the desire of a majority of citizens to pay for Net Zero barely stretches to more than the ‘chump’ change in their back pockets. “Commitment to the energy transition is a classic ‘luxury belief’ held most strongly by those who are sufficiently well-off not to worry about the costs… Indeed at least some of those who promote the transition most strongly are among those who expect to gain from the business opportunities.” On this latter point, Hughes was possibly recalling the recent activities of rising media star Dale Vince (£110 million in wind subsidies to date, and counting).
Politicians sometimes blather about the pioneering role taken by European countries in Net Zero. Hughes points out that leaders in China and India are not fools. “Posturing about targets that are patently not achievable and might be economically ruinous is unlikely to convince anyone, although most will be too polite to point this out,” he observed.
Writing a foreword, Lord Frost identified a make-believe world inhabited by Net Zero proponents where it is claimed costs will magically come down, new technologies will somehow be invented and promised green growth will pay for everything. “But they never give any evidence for believing this – and, where we can check what they say, for example in the real costs of wind power, we can see that these cost reductions are simply not happening,” he said.
On the immigration front, Hughes notes a 1% increase in the British population every year. He notes that 4% of GDP must be invested every year in new (not replacement) capital per head. Of course nothing like this is being spent and capital per head is falling rapidly. “Just maintaining the amounts of capital per head will eat up an amount of investment equivalent to that required for the energy transition,” he states.
Squeezing domestic consumption, in other words making the already squeezed poor even poorer by removing all their remaining luxuries in life (older cars, cheap foreign holidays, meat), is the only realistic way to fund the enormous sums required for the Net Zero energy transition. Possibly a glimmer of reality is creeping into political circles with the opposition Labour party having gone through “agonies” and ditched its £28 billion a year green deal. “Clearly, they concluded that it was impossible to sell an increase in the tax burden of that magnitude to a reluctant electorate,” he said. In fact, the sums involved in the Labour plan were only a fifth of the estimated cost of transition.
Any future Government wishing to travel the path of Net Zero must make the choices of reducing public services and mandating savage cuts in household expenditure. Needless to say, the general population is in almost total ignorance about these realities. Hughes notes that the electorate has given no indication that they are willing to bear the costs involved. “Indeed until now all they have been told is that there are few or no trade-offs required, and technology will somehow magically solve everything.”
Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor.
Not really. What they did was drop the spending pledge while keeping to the objective it was supposed to deliver.
So the implication is that the program, if its to be done, will be done by raising the cost of energy.
Hughes had an illuminating piece in the Telegraph on this subject. Paywalled unfortunately:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/labour-energy-prices-tax-rise-green-levy-net-zero/
Bhe biggest lie of the Green agenda is that “wind and solar are free”. Well, Coal gas and oil are all ‘free’, too. Mother Earth sends no invoices for any of them. The cost of energy stems from gathering it and getting it TO ALL OF YOU IN THE TIME AND FORM YOU NEED TOU USE IT. Certainly, coal, oil, and gas, are limited in location, and anyone who owns land, has access to some amount of wind and solar. The problem with that is that the cost of harvesting the wind and solar and getting it in sufficient quantities when and where it is needed is not even possible, much less probable today and in the foreseeable future. There is simply not enough wealth on earth to deliver green energy to all, even in the next century, much less in the next decade as some demand.
Not to mention that the energy inputs used to produce the devices that are used to “collect” the low density wind and solar energy all come from coal, oil and gas. D’oh!
Yep “wind and solar are free”. It just takes an arm, leg and couple of small children to convert it into juice coming out of the wall. That is the expensive part.
Damage the economy severely, eliminate industry that needs dependable energy delivery, run up costs dramatically, and the whole scheme doesn’t calculate to success, for, not only an unproven theory, but without regard to mitigation versus adaptation costs/benefits? What’s the real agenda?
Enslavement of the population, destruction of the free market, and one world order; anything but saving the planet.
You understand.
You will own nothing, and be happy. They’ll keep the populace stupid and drugged. You’ll live in the pod. You’ll eat bugs. They say it over and over at Davos. It’s an agenda as old as Plato. They’ve been writing about it for years.
But as long as their cell phones work and they can play on social media, etc., the masses will be happy.
Panem et circenses
China will control the world without firing a shot.
They do and they didn’t.
https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/how-china-is-remaking-the-un-in-its-own-image/
“the whole scheme doesn’t calculate to success” – the scheme IS DESIGNED TO DESTROY INDUSTRY – so it’s designers are very happy with the progress so far.
The TRUE cost..
… is the destruction of Western Society !!
It’s amazing how many people have fallen for the global warming scam.
Jim, not so amazing when you consider humanity hasn’t evolved biologically or psychologically in the three centuries since the witch trials. Widespread scientific illiteracy and magical thinking are the problem. For many, the analogy of a ‘blanket’ is sufficient to explain the complexity of climate.
“It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain
Many years ago, a climatologist on the Johnny Carson Tonight show stated: “Climate is what you expect; weather is what you get.”
I appears that he stole that quote from Mark Twain (although stolen, it wasn’t from Mark Twain exactly).
The quote is often attributed to Mark Twain, but apparently he never said it. Another similar quote is sometimes attributed to him: “Climate lasts all the time and weather only a few days.”
In any case, Mark Twain does and should get a lot of credit for many thoughtful and humorous quotes.
Most of the things people attributed to Mark Twain were actually said by some fella named Samuel Clemens 🙂
Very funny.
The problem with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is that they didn’t frame it as an emissions reduction scheme.
I doubt anyone in the administration knows what is really behind the retaking of Crimea. It’s a long and bloody history.
Why would they when history begins post 2010?
Rats are leaving the ship including a big one, Victoria Nuland. Kerry seems to be saying that some wind turbines could make it all better.
We agree 100% for the first timein history
Nut Zero is a fake engineering project based on a fake coming global warming crisis
The ultimate goal is leftist style fascism, which I call Rule by Leftist “Experts”. Unfortunately, they are only real experts on gaining political power.
Actually, dickie, we agree with most things…
I keep saying there is no scientific evidence that enhanced atmospheric CO2 causes warming…
.. and you keep proving me correct. 🙂
I’m backing slowly away. The idea of you and Richard agreeing on something is quite frightening!
Ah, the good old days of the 1970s. Yes, I remember them. I was in my twenties during most of that decade. I remember the incessant strikes, including the miners’ strike and the Winter of Discontent. The miners’ strike led to electricity rationing and the three-day week. There was the quadrupling in the price of oil. Inflation was in the high twenties. (They think it’s bad now!) We had high unemployment. Interest rates were in the teens for most of the decade. (They think it’s bad now!) From an economic point of view, I think I prefer living in the 2020s. Where life was better in the 1970s was that we didn’t suffer from Wokery and there was no such thing as Diversity, Equality and Inclusion. Also we didn’t have massive illegal immigration and all the problems it brings. And we didn’t have billionaires funding all sorts of civil unrest.
“”I think I prefer living in the 2020s””
I preferred it when we had a lot more freedom.
For example?
Walk into a gun store and walk out with a firearm.
Buy sudafed without having every purchase recorded/reported. Make large cash withdrawals without being questioned and recorded.
Not forgetting the terrible dress-sense 😀
Glam rock, hippie or punk?
You think it’s better now? Have you not seen the Walmart shoppers?
Campsiefellow, you say: “From an economic point of view, I think I prefer living in the 2020s.”
Consider:
1969: “Nixon’ revisions would reduce fiscal 1970 expenditures to $192.9 billion and leave a surplus of $5.8 billion, fourth largest in history.” An article from CQ Almanac 1969
2024: “The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that interest payments will total $870 billion in fiscal year 2024″
From a total budget of $200B to interest payments alone of $870B. The true Economic situation today is hidden by debt.
Pile the Net Zero costs on top. How long can this go on? Stagflation of the ’70s may seem like good times.
For a fair comparison$193 billion in 1969 dollars is $1,622 billion in 2024 dollars.
Fair point, my bad.
To my point?
In 1969 debt to GDP was 36%.
In 2023 debt to GDP was 123%, G7 average was 128%.
Add in the cost of the Green Leap Forward.
Sustainable? Or will there be a reckoning?
Te debt will never be reduced, just rolled over
What counts most is interest on the debt as a percentage of GDP. We are not in trouble yet but are heading in the wrong direction for the long run.
Interest on the debt peaked at about 3% of GDP from 1985 to 1995
Was 1.25% of GDP in 1969
Was 2.4% of GDP at the end of 2023
SOURCE:
Federal Outlays: Interest as Percent of Gross Domestic Product (FYOIGDA188S) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
See my comment above. Remove the mostly unproductive government spending from the GDP in both years and recalculate those interest on debt to GDP numbers.
Exactly, the amount of “GDP” that is government spending is a major problem. And yes, the debt is staggering, some trillion dollars a quarter now.
Actually, we are adding a cool trill to the debt every 3mo, and what matters is that we are now spending more on interest than on national defense. So, I’m not sure what you mean by “not in trouble yet.”
It’s worse than it seems, because government spending, most of which is non-productive, makes up a much larger portion of “GDP” in 2024 than it did in 1969.
Remove government spending from the GDP in both years, then recalculate those debt to GDP numbers.
1969 is not part of 70s! And he was talking about the 70s after the oil embargoes and such, mmm 72, 73?
Maybe 74, my dad had 1974 Mercury Rideau 500 (but only 400 cu. in.) land yacht that I got to drive around 1982. 50¢/L back then in Canuckistan. There was still a half sensible abortion law and nobody was falling over themselves to appease the perverts and groomers.
Also to be fair, he was talking about the 70’s in the UK, not necessarily the USA – you may have your own ideas on that.
Correction. Diversity,
EqualityEquity, and Inclusion.Division, Exclusion and Inequity.
What can you say with fantasists on drugs?
Electrifying the US truck fleet is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE | MGUY Australia (youtube.com)
We’re pouring in record migrants with a housing and rental crisis and this is what you get from the brains trust-
“There has been a catastrophic failure in future planning at SA Water” – CEO responds – ABC listen
and they reckon they can change the weather too????
Alcohol is a dangerous drug. When opiates and alcohol were both legal to use, around 1900, alcohol killed about 3,000 people per year, and opium and opiates killed around 35 people per year.
Making it illegal raised the price which forced people who needed it to feel normal to have to inject it to be able to afford it and that’s where the large number of deaths come from.
People’s bodies make opioids called endorphins and some don’t make enough, probably because their ancestors came from opium-producing and consuming regions.
“”Any future Government wishing to travel the path of Net Zero…””
Don’t you mean “the future government” – whoever forms it?
The Liberal Democrats are few and can enter coalitions with Labour or Conservative. Their view?
“”Remove restrictions on new solar and wind to accelerate the deployment of renewable power, providing more funding, and building more interconnectors to guarantee security of supply.”
…
Establish a Net Zero Delivery Authority sponsored jointly by the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero and the Treasury to oversee the delivery of Net Zero….””
https://www.libdems.org.uk/conference/motions/spring-2023/f10
The Labour party view
“”Labour’s mission to make Britain a clean energy superpower will create jobs, cut bills and give Britain energy independence.””
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/just-announced-labour-will-build-a-clean-energy-grid-for-britain-to-cut-bills-and-create-jobs/
And the the blue rinse Labour party’s view
“”Reaching Net Zero by 2050 with investment in clean energy solutions and green infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions and pollution.””
https://www.conservatives.com/content/conservatives/gb/en/our-plan.html
We’ve had two bouts of net zeroing in Wales and the results were not exactly as described by the Labour party. First, at great taxpayer cost Port Talbot is going green with ‘efficient’ electric arc furnaces – steel recycling – and this new green wonder is throwing 3,000 skilled people out of work.
Next up is a fun one, the new Welsh farming deal.
“”Under Welsh Government proposals being put forward in the sustainable farming scheme, set to be implemented from 2025, farms would need to dedicate 10% of their land to tree planting and another 10% to wildlife habitats to qualify for payments.
…
Thousands of farmers descended on the Senedd and a long line of tractors shut a major road in Cardiff in a protest over issues threatening the industry. Protests have been taking place across Wales over the last few weeks triggered by the Welsh Government’s sustainable farming scheme which the government itself admits could result in 5,500 direct job losses.””
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/live-updates-thousands-farmers-set-28707123
So, for two green schemes we have almost 10,000 green jobs, sorry 10,000 lost jobs – and another drain on the treasury as a result.
Now that we are beginning to see how going green works economically, did Professor Hughes factor in the dole queue?
“”Remove restrictions on new solar and wind to accelerate the deployment of renewable power, providing more funding, and building more interconnectors to guarantee security of supply.”
What, are they going to change the laws of physics?
What, are they going to change the laws of physics?
Well, they’re just like any other law, right? Just pass a bill to revoke thermodynamics, problem solved.
Physics and Climate Science are no more closely related than Astrology and Chemistry. Physical science is based on observation of the natural world and lab experiments. Climate Science is based on faith. Like astrology, any deviation that occurs in the natural world is ignored or used to “confirm” predictions made after the observation.
No, as Portugal figured out, for every (useless) “green job” created you lose THREE actually productive jobs.
Story tip – Auto Grand Theft Auto
“”£80,000 electric Jaguar rammed off road after brakes fail at 100mph””
Nathan Owen, 31, was travelling on the M62 yesterday when the brakes on his £80,000 car began to fail – for the second time in three months.
The crisis support worker was forced to weave between traffic without braking for more than half an hour until the electric vehicle began to run out of power, and police were able to force it to stop.
…
‘The car was in its own world – it just had no brakes. The speed was going towards about 100mph in the high 90s, going to 100. I thought this was a bit wrong.
…
‘It came up on the dashboard saying there was a battery malfunction in my car. I kept trying to press the brakes but nothing was happening.
…
The car only came to a stop after the miles started running out.””
https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/07/80-000-electric-jaguar-rammed-off-road-brakes-fail-100mph-20416713/
Flat battery saves the day.
Sounds like they need an emergency battery isolator-
Speeding Tesla kills 2 in China, carmaker denies claims that brakes failed – YouTube
Man ‘kidnapped’ by his runaway electric car | SWNS (youtube.com)
MG once made some nice sports cars.
Not anymore, they like every other manufacturer have gone for the sports shoe on wheels look.
Do we really need proof that Chinese are terrible drivers?
No one could possibly know the cost of Nut Zero because Nut Zero is not feasible and will not happen. You might as well claim the cost is infinite — no amount of money will replace burning fossil fuels.
And Nut Zero will not stop the rise of the atmospheric CO2 level because the smart nations, with a combined population of almost seven billion people, could not care less about Nut Zero.
I suppose China is hoping to sell a lot of EVs and solar panels to the Nut Zero Cult nations, but their main environmental concern is reducing air pollution. One of the fixes is replacing old coal power plants with new cleaner coal power plants. Their air pollution may have peaked 10 years ago.
Pollution levels globally have fallen slightly from 2013 to 2021 – which a report said was “entirely due to China’s progress.” Without China’s improvements, the world’s average pollution would have risen instead.
India also has a lot of air pollution. Indians are exposed to an average of 83.2 μg/cubic meter of PM2. 5 pollutants compared to cleaner countries which record a relatively tiny figure of just 8μg / cubic meter.
If Asian nations reduce air pollution over their cities, the cities will get warmer.
If global warming bothers anyone, we can always start polluting the air like in the 1970s to block some sunlight: Pollution Geoengineering
It is a well known internet fact that some Chinese air pollution drifts east to the US Left Coast and causes the average IQ to deteriorate by about 1 point per year. That is why Californian turned into Commiefornia.
“” You might as well…””
Model the costs…..
California also has lots of capitalists hoping to get much richer from the $200 trillion in so-called “Climate Change” spending that Bloomberg estimates it will cost to stop warming by 2050.
The capitalists are the ones who own the media in the US and control the politicians with their campaign contributions.
Not the capitalists. The trough feeders and rent seekers.
Capitalists would never build wind farms or solar farms, they would build coal, gas and nuclear plants.
I wish you were educated by non-Marxists. You would know the difference between crony capitalism and capitalism. Then anything else you had to say might be worth listening to.
Roughly when the “Pause” ended and temperatures starting going up again.
There’s a lot to be said for better environmental standards lead to clearer skies and warming temps.
“Ner Zero” is a joke. Production, installation, and operation of combined wind, solar, intermittancy backup, and transmission systems are net CO2 positive compared to conventional systems. I have never seen the “green” zealots prove otherwise. They don’t seem to care that their beliefs are false.
I’m not laughing.
Lying to us to achieve a nefarious agenda? But they’re selfless public servants.
The closer you try to get to NET ZERO, the more FF you have to use to do it, and of course you can never get there.
And twenty years down the road, the impossible astronomical costs have to be repeated.
Not to mention all the energy inputs needed to build and frequently replace all those worse-than-useless windmills and solar panels come from fossil fuels.
Nothing but a tail-chasing wealth transfer scam.
There have been legitimate technological advances in solar power and wind turbines over the past many decades.
The flaw is forcing in on the population rather than letting economics (supply and demand) make it happen.
There is a finite limit of coal and oil. How big and how long it will sustain us is the point of debate.
There are evolving technologies that become self-sustaining. MIT has an invention that creates methane out of CO2 using solar irradiation, a process similar to photo synthesis in plants.
The overreach to control every aspect of our lives is, frankly, terrifying.
They have collected everyone’s fingerprints with their phones.
“There is a finite limit of coal and oil. How big and how long it will sustain us is the point of debate.”
We will run out of energy, when we run out of earth…
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/there-is-no-energy-shortage/
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/there-is-no-shortage-of-stuff/
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/nro/
Further, if there’s a “finite limit” then we shouldn’t be wasting it manufacturing worse-than-useless windmills and solar panels, which CANNOT provide the energy needed since they are not dispatchable and their energy production doesn’t match demand.
The only use case for wind or solar, irrespective of “technological advances,” is “off grid” use in small scale, remote locations. Using wind and solar on an industrial scale for grid power is sheer idiocy and always will be.
Absolutely correct.
“Indeed until now all they have been told is that there are few or no trade-offs required, and technology will somehow magically solve everything.”
Basically, they were lied to – totally lied to. The politicians were arranging all kind of taxes on the populace and subsidies for their crony friends, all the while saying the NetZero transition will actually save people money – that is a bald faced lie!
Where is the cost/benefit analysis of so-called “climate change” spending?
Just a back-of-an-envelope analysis shows the costs to be far higher than the benefits.
The cost that Bloomberg’s green energy research team estimates to stop warming by 2050 is $US200 trillion, and they call that cheap, some other estimates are higher.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-05/-200-trillion-is-needed-to-stop-global-warming-that-s-a-bargain#xj4y7vzkg
There are about 2 billion households in the world with 90 percent of them unable to afford anything extra.
That leaves about 200 million households to share the $US200 trillion cost or about $US1 million per household.
Almost all households would rather have $US1 million in the bank and a degree or two of warming than not having the money and it staying the same temperature.
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Bargain?! Amazing how making the “climate” WORSE by stopping it from getting warmer, which is of course pure fantasy since our pittance of “greenhouse gas emissions” is NOT the driver of the Earth’s temperature to begin with, is a “bargain.”
Since “Bloomberg” stands to profit handsomely from the “trading” around such a futile squandering of treasure that would achieve nothing productive even if their fantasy world where humans control nature was real, I’m sure it seems like a great idea to them, but if it’s such a “bargain” let their founder pay the bill from his own pocket.
I could write some details but I’m tired. And there someone far better at summarising the problem that has come to pass, for the reasons he predicted so well.
The absolute ignorance of an unquestioning public regarding the science their society is “exquisitely” dependent upon.
Deterministic science has even been banned in public discourse, to make sure people can’t hear the facts from the few who know them and can communicate the reality. with the data.
The charlatans are amongst us. Gore, Kerry, Mann, Marcot, Oreskes, Biden, Milliband/Blair, Vince, Worthington, Gummer, Johnson (S&B), Goldsmith, Sunak, Starmer, etc. All liars for their own profit, at the expense of their developed country’s cheap energy dependent prosperity.
Nonsense. Barack Obama campaigned on a platform of higher energy costs.
He said very clearly that “Under my plan, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”
https://youtu.be/-NKzVvKIoLI?si=4I21giPevVpeMTKO
The majority loved Barack Obama and his plans. That can only mean they love higher electricity prices and higher medical bills.
Obama also said there would be a pandemic in the next administration.
odd term to use … “Population” ??? vs voters, citizens, rate payers etc …
Very nice Chris. Two things.
Number one Net Zero is purely a government creation and a very bad one at that, even for the government. The government must be removed from power generation and transmission business.
Number two,
“Hughes notes that the electorate has given no indication that they are willing to bear the costs involved. “Indeed until now all they have been told is that there are few or no trade-offs required, and technology will somehow magically solve everything.”
The government can go to hell, if we can educate the common guy how badly he is being screwed all of this nonsense will end. We need to make our message short and simple and repeat it over and over ad nauseam.
The true cost? What price a civilization?