By P Gosselin
New paper in ‘Nature’: Himalayan glaciers melting much more slowly than expected, researchers blame warming!
Image: NASA (public domain)
Germany’s online Frankfurter Rundschau (FR) reports on “baffled scientists” and how the Himalayan glaciers are cooling, yet insist the reason is global warming. The FR reports:
This development is unusual because the Himalayan glaciers have continuously lost mass over the past five decades. The main reason for this is the continuing rise in temperature. However, the glaciers appear to be melting much more slowly than expected. According to the researchers, this is due to so-called katabatic winds. These occur over cold, partly icy surfaces of glaciers. “The air above glaciers cools down, becomes heavier and then flows downwards to warmer surroundings,” writes swz.at. The researchers have not yet been able to fully determine whether the Himalayan glacier becoming colder is positive news. “While the warming of the atmosphere is increasing glacier melting, the lowering of near-surface air temperatures has shifted the extent of cooling,” writes the team of researchers. Initially, a slower melting glacier would be positive news, but will it last?”
The original study appeared in ‘Nature’: Local cooling and drying induced by Himalayan glaciers under global warming
Hat-tip: Klimanachrichten hier
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If they keep trying to prove a disaster in the face of evidence to the contrary they will do permanent damage to their brain cells.
Self evident that permanent brain damage was already there. Stuff like ‘model data’ and ‘intermittency solution is grid storage’ are robust clinical indicators of severe cognitive impairment.
Both of ’em.
I didn’t know that they had two brain cells between them 🙂
like that of religious fanatics
What brain cells?
Mr. Nice: AGW cultists have many, many brain cells, but only one gives a “reading”- they infill the rest.
And they don’t even have the slightest idea of how absurd they are
What brain?
I am reminded of the scene when (in The Young Frankenstein) Marty Feldmann was told, “Damn your eyes”.
“Too late” he replied.
Climate researchers don’t know squat.
Wrong! They’re very smart grifters.
They’re right up there with divinity students, like AlGore was.
(still is?)
I saw Al Gore giving a speech at Davos yesterday. He still thinks his opinion matters, and he has enough money to attend such functions.
I think ordinary people ought to look at the bozos at Davos who are planning our future. These authoritarians know every little nuance about CO2. The only thing they don’t know is their knowledge doesn’t matter because CO2 is nothing but a benign gas, so figuring out numerous ways to reduce CO2 is a waste of time.
Of course, reducing CO2 is not a waste of time for those at Davos. They get to demonstrate their virtue and caring, and get to make a lot of money, too. So, to them, it doesn’t matter if CO2 is a benign gas because it has a higher purpose.
The real-time Global Temperature on the WUWT site on the right is 57.81°F / 14.34°C.
That is too cool for humans to live in without lots of technology in the form of warm clothes, warm shoes, warm houses, warm cars, warm office buildings, warm factories, warm stores, warm restaurants, etc.
But of course, nobody actually lives anywhere where a “global average temperature” actually prevails.
Or is there such a being as a “global average” human being?
BS numbers
The global average temperature is about 15 degrees C., not 14.34 degrees C., and 59 degrees F., not 57.81 F.
“Himalayan glaciers are melting much more slowly than expected.”
Instead of going sciency, why not just admit your alarming melting expectations were just wrong? Katabatic winds are NOT new news.
All quite alarming for climate alarmists. The UK Center for Countering Climate Hate will hate this good news.
When apologia like this—for being wrong yet again—appears in Nature, you know the ‘carbon’ climate alarm end is neigh.
That plus the renewable grid ‘remedy’ is proving ruinable—as Germany is finding.
There’s that horse again, Rud.
It’s dead, Jim,
(Dr. Spock)
Or is it just the horse’s head at the foot of alarmists’ beds?
Isn’t Dr. McCoy supposed to say that?
Is Dr. Spock the mutant offspring of Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy?
6. Those Polar Bears still refuse to die
“the renewable grid ‘remedy’ is proving ruinable—as Germany is finding”
Except to politicians in the UK
I have always read that glaciers main melt through the direct absorption of sunlight. The key variables are cloud cover and snow cover. Air has an extremely puny heat content
Mike, every climateer knows that global warming causes glaciers to grow. Cuz the warmer sea air holds more moisture that snows out high up on the glacier as the winds carry the moisture to higher elevations.
That’s their story and they’re stickin’ to it…..
So the 80k year period between 2 interglacials is when we have the warming to build the ice sheets.
Yes Robertvd, the warming occurs during glaciation which is when the globe cools. When the cooling starts, everything gets warmer.
Katabatic winds are simply colder, more dense air from a higher elevation that density-flow downslope, the process not requiring any glaciers, snow, or ice. Katabatic winds were not invented/innovated/caused/etc by some warming rebound from the Little Ice Age. Glaciers are dynamic systems that recharge at upper levels, from compacting snow fall, then flow down slope where their terminus is due to an ambient temperature higher than freezing. Considering the behavior of the Glacier National Park glaciers, and the Himalayan glaciers, looks like the glaciers just aren’t getting with the program.
There is a climate ‘science’ irony here. Higher temperatures were supposed to melt Himalayan glaciers. Yet higher temperatures were also supposed to increase the monsoons—alarmists blamed recent Himalayan flooding on that.
The irony is, higher Himalayan monsoons also mean more snow at high elevation so more glacier replenishment.
Trying to have it both ways at the same time usually does not end well. As here.
Climate ‘science’ illogic removes the ‘science’ part of the assertion.
Those glaciers at Glacier National Park are representative of the deficiencies in today’s education system.
They just can’t read simple signs saying they’re not here any more/
They removed those signs. They were starting to look silly, since the glaciers are still there.
Katabatic winds? Some journalist just misspelled skatabatic.
Climate scientists baffled? Really? I think that’s normal!
Par for the course.
They deserve the Lysenko Prize for anti-science: first you come up with a theory, next you convince yourself it must be true, and finally you ward off any actual data with verbal jujitsu until your arms fall off.
Well, they ignore Feynman’s dictum: “if the experimental data doesn’t agree with your theory, your theory is wrong.”
I prefer Walker’s dictum.. Murphy’s Law says ‘Everything that can go wrong, will go wrong’. Walker’s dictum: Murphy was an optimist.
What’s the evidence for Feynman’s observation?
How many ‘likes’ did he get for that TikTok post, ’cause that’s all that really counts these days.
Story tip.
Meanwhile the ‘global warming’ is causing hundreds of flights cancelled across Germany, Scandinavia and Central/Eastern Europe with traffic accidents and school closures adding to the mayhem. They’re seeing heavy snowfalls, freezing rain and black ice across much of Europe as the weather front heads towards the UK. Energy systems are, apparently, being ‘tested’ in the freezing conditions.
It’s all expected because global warming is an average. That means it has to be warmer in some places while colder in others. But since it never cools over glaciers or oceans where people don’t live then it has to cool where they do live. It’s science, you know. That’s why colder weather is always evidence of global warming.
All I can say is, South America must be on fire to offset this amount of cold weather!
I guess melt-resistant ice can be blamed on global warming. 😉
Maybe the glaciers are made up of Pykrete?
Mother Nature flexing her muscles again moderating change and restoring equilibrium. How puzzling / sarc
Not sure if it’s positive news?
Positive news?
POSITIVE???
Climastrology 101: EVERY outcome is negative news. It’s ALWAYS (much) worse than we thought!
At some point people will begin to realize that since climate is ALWAYS worse than we thought, that the people doing the original thinking weren’t very competent.
Also, when assigning blame for the incompetence, notice that the pronoun used is always ‘we’, not ‘they’.
You would certainly have hoped so, but I have my doubts after 40 years of Chicken Little Climastrology that whipsawed from Ice Age to Venus Hellscape without so much as blinking and shaking their heads (like the A Team emerging from a dramatic rollover crash totally unscathed).
You must remember that the propaganda media will never relent in their mission to destroy western civilization. They will always cover for even the most obvious lies and absurdities. The only silver lining of Nut Zero is that the Gaslighters will be left without any fuel. /rant
For those who don’t know The A Team…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6kEsloMdE
I seem to recall these same glaciers were supposed to be gone by 2035 according to the IPCC.
Ah yes, here it is:
They had to admit their mistake in 2010.
report: Link goes to ‘Page not found’.
It seems they’re going the way of the snow cap on Mount Kilimanjaro.
(Has Al Gore ever been to the Himalayans?)
I read recently that this was the deadliest year on Mt. Everest. They are blaming in on the unusually cold weather on the mountain.
Sorry folks but we haven’t got a clue what’s going on but rest assured you’re still all doomed-
Tropical cyclone fears grow as it’s revealed Australia is on track for fourth ‘La Nina’ event in five years despite earlier predictions of a long, hot, dry spell (msn.com)
No way you should act upon our forecasts except for the dooming of course-
BoM’s El Nino prediction ‘cost a lot of farmers a lot of money’ amid rush to beat the heat and sell off stock | Sky News Australia
Well, as that old truism observed –
economists are only there to make weather forecasters look good.
(or was it the other way around?)
I’ve been liking that El Nino circulation which is bringing mild air into the United States off the Pacific Ocean. I hate to see it go, but it does look like El Nino is weakening a little bit.
This is seriously disturbing. What to do, what to do!
“When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout”
Have a meeting. Meetings are wonderful ways to waste time, ‘raise awareness’, make everbody feel like they’re contributing and have a real sense of accomplishment while doing absolutely bugger all.
Ah yes, and thanks to gorebal warming, that snow they just had in Mississippi and Alabama feels a little bit warmer than it otherwise would. I love how they can prove a counterfactual!
Climate science is full of counterfactual facts.
Schrodingers Global Warming.
The ice is simultaneously melting whilst growing
The one question global warming activists refuse to answer – “What conditions would indicate there is no global warming?”
Getting warmer is bad news, but getting colder might also be bad news? So things must remain exactly the same?
They don’t live in the real world.
And frostbite is due to sunburn.