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By Paul Homewood
Some cold weather heading our way next weekend, according to Willie and the ECMWF models!
The Met Office are hedging their bets:
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcqzwtdw7#?date=2023-12-30
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It may be cold, but it’s happy. Happy New Year!
I asked Sherry to marry me at the stroke of 00 1982-83. We tied the knot Sept 3rd 1983. Since then I have never missed asking her again at the stroke of midnight New Years. She has said yes every time.
Sept 3rd, ‘the day war broke out……’.
And she still keeps making the same mistake 😀
Congratulations on 40 happy years. 👍
Thank you!
Must be cold in the Arctic to.
Day 364 has Arctic sea ice extent (NSIDC) above every year back to and including 2004.
MASIE, not quite every year, but very close, shows where the main increase is..
…outside the Arctic Ocean region in the Bering Sea and Sea of Okhotsk area.
Why are you data mining the last five days of 2023 while completely ignoring the contrary trends for full year 2023 and the past 40+ years?
It would seem that you are cold weather biased and jumping to a conclusion that a 40 year Arctic ice extent trend reversed in the past five days. That seems very unlikely.
Data doesn’t care about your opinion. !
Current level is in the top 5% or so of the Holocene.
Starting in 1979 is a fool’s trick used by climate scammers.
Get over it, and learn some facts. !
There was global cooling from 1940 to 1975 so it makes no sense to start the sea ice extent declining trend chart before the 1970s
We have no accurate satellite data for the whole Holocene That is just your data free speculation
I reported the satellite data with a chart from another article at this website
You prefer data mining five days and insults
I prefer long term trends and never suggesting I know when the long term trend will end.
For mu New Years Resolution, I have decided to not insult you as I did in 2023, I have decided to insult you in new and better ways.
You prefer AGW scams as your starting point..
And to remain ignorant about the Holocene in general….
…. just to make some sort of non-intelligent AGW scam point ?? !!
Why do that !?
Data shows current level is above what it has been for the same day since 2004.
GET OVER IT !!!
Petty little insults from a non-science lukewarmer….. irrelevant !!
As an AGW denier ,you stand with fewer than 0.1% of the scientists on our planet
More CO2 can not cause warming?
Less SO2 can not cause warming?.
More UHI / economic growth can not cause warming?
Land use changes can not cause warming?
Inaccurate measurements / adjustments / infilling
can not cause warming?
You are an AGW denier so must deny
ALL these potential causes of warming.
If so, that would also make you a dingbat.
I consider a AGW “denier” as a person with advanced geological knowledge of past times that were warmer by far, without the influence of either man or the SUV. As a retired Geology instructor, it gets very annoying listening to short sighted people who only measure climate based on their life time . Change happens over scales of magnitude longer than our instruments have measured.
DD with all due respect, what geology informs us is what the full range of natural variation is likely to be.
That tells us that hair-on-fire alarmism over a trivial improvement in the weather is insane, that tipping points that do exist, lead away from our blissful conditions back to glaciation, and thence, after eons, back to life-giving interstadial conditions.
That knowledge shows us that it’s a scaremongering lie that it’s unprecedentedly warm or that there’s any risk associated with it getting even warmer. It shows us that what we have to fear is cold. (And also the irrational reaction to the fear of warming).
However, it does not show that there is no enhanced greenhouse effect—only that it is harmless or more likely beneficial.
It does not tell us that human activity is utterly incapable of altering climate—only that our impacts are limited at most, in comparison to natural factors.
It does not tell us that burning fossil fuels is irrelevant to the atmospheric concentration of CO2–only that the tiny effect we have had (raising it from 0.028% to 0.043%) is a minuscule change compared CO2 concentrations in geological timeframes and thus that it is illogical to think that retracing a few of the steps that nature took toward carbon starvation can be anything but a fantastically wonderful thing for human flourishing and for life in general.
That is my perspective. It is climate REALISM. Some will ridicule it as lukewarming. All I know is that there’s a multi-decadal trend toward a milder climate. And paleontology would lead us to infer that that is a good thing.
Happy New Year!
Most of what you’ve stated can cause regional or local changes but not global – less SO2 will not cause warming but it may reduce the cooling effect, as to CO2 causing warming you can take your pick from any scientist from negligible warming to 100%. This is all known and discussed on WUWT so I fail to see what point you are trying to make other than stirring things for your own sake.
Yawn.
Your comment is just a meaningless mindless rant and has nothing to do with what is said above.
What do I “deny” that you can provide solid scientific evidence for?
“AGW” refers specifically to warming by human released atmospheric CO2..
Evidence is totally lacking.
More CO2 can not cause warming?
No evidence it does.
Less SO2 can not cause warming?.
Distinct possibility.. as it can alter the amount of sunshine reaching the surface.
More UHI / economic growth can not cause warming?
UHI certainly reflects in the surfaced data.. a lot.. but that is not “global”, and has nothing to do with atmospheric CO2.
Land use changes can not cause warming?
Local affects only… not global
Inaccurate measurements / adjustments / infilling can not cause warming?
Most definitely does, often intentionally..
… but that is spurious phantom warming, that is not real.
I enjoy your perspective as well, bnice, but I suspect your screen name is what your wife said while you were swearing at the computer screen. You be you I guess, but just a little New Year’s philosophizing here, the reason the world is going down the crapper might in part be due to the fact that nobody wants to take the time to listen to other points of view and be able to say I disagree but Happy New Year!
“is just your data free speculation”
So not understanding the science of basic biological proxies.
Better stick to low-end finance.
Science is definitely not your thing, is it. !
Trends are not data, nor are they particularly valuable except to provide extremely simple graphics for the scientific illiterati. Frankly I’m not surprised in the least that you prefer them to actual data.
Oh come on Richard!
It’s a shame that you add a valuable perspective here but your marketing department is terrible.
For my new year’s resolution I have decided to find new and better ways to chastise you. Happy New Year!
“There was global cooling from 1940 to 1975 so it makes no sense to start the sea ice extent declining trend chart before the 1970s”
Frankly, we don’t know if anything global has happened regarding temperature. Anyone showing you a “global temperature” graph is outright lying to you.
Jeff, I will reprise something I said to RG earlier…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/30/2023-germanys-warmest-year-ever-recorded-since-1881-was-also-among-the-wettest/#comment-3839793
“There was global cooling from 1940 to 1975 so it makes no sense to start the sea ice extent declining trend chart before the 1970s”
That really is a stupid statement.
You have just said that you specifically picked 1979 as the start point because you knew it was an extreme high anomaly.
Did you know that satellite records exist back to 1976, and show much lower levels of sea ice?
Scrape the face-plant BS off your face.
1973 actually.
Interesting new paper.
The Narrative That Polar Bears Need Sea Ice To Catch Prey Has Collapsed As More Evidence Piles Up (notrickszone.com)
Satellite data prior to 1979 is somewhat inconvenient and thus ignored by scammers.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/JC094iC10p14499
The graph taken , I think from that paper, shows 1974 considerably lower than 1990
(I don’t like the green line is such random fluctuating data. It is pointless)
PS, also shows 1979 as a massive + anomaly…
.. so a perfect place to start a propaganda scam.
Some highly gullible non-scientists still fall for such stuff.
Why are you data mining the period since the EXTREME HIGH of 1979?
Arctic sea ice has been far less for nearly all the last 10,000 years.
Or does your lukewarmer AGW scamming not allow you to accept that fact.
Sea ice cover can only be accurately measured with satellites
You are data mining again with a chart showing only
Chukchi Sea, which is 230,000 square miles
The entire Arctic Ocean is 5,427,000 square miles
Sea ice also forms in areas south of the Arctic Ocean in winter, including the Sea of Okhotsk, the Bering Sea, Baffin Bay, Hudson Bay, the Greenland Sea, and the Labrador Sea. The Bering Strait is one of the few outlets through which sea ice exits the Arctic Ocean.
Sea Ice | National Snow and Ice Data Center
Where is sea ice? In late winter, Arctic sea ice covers on average* 15.5 million square kilometers (6 million square miles), and Antarctic sea ice covers about 18.5 million square kilometers (7 million square miles).
bnice, the data mining king
Denial of science and climate change seems to be your “thing”
These are not tiny changes. The biological record, which you have zero possibility of understanding, show the Arctic has much lower levels of sea ice during most of the Holocene.
That’s just how it is..
And ignorant comments from you are not going to change that fact.
The same pattern is found all around the Arctic and matches very well to proxy data from everywhere else around the Arctic region.
Don’t be a SCIENCE and CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER.
Real data , graphed correctly.. you should try it sometime, dickie. !
Average is 365 day average, not min+max/2 so is incomplete, and given as an open dot.
Remember 1979 was an anomalous high extent, and current levels are far more than for most of the Holocene.
“The Bering Strait is one of the few outlets through which sea ice exits the Arctic Ocean.
Not much ice exiting the Arctic at the moment,
Whole region is basically frozen solid !
Welcome to the new troll. Or are you an old one? Maybe you’re whatshisname….
Pick a trend :
a) Any trend, and/or
b) The trend that agrees with your pre-existing opinion
When you data mine the last 5 days of 2023
and “forget” to mention the current long term trend
you are trying to deceive people.
The current long term trend measured with satellites is far more important than wild speculation about the past 10000 years based on inaccurate local climate proxy reconstructions.
The reconstructions are also irrelevant.
Proxy reconstructions DO NOT include any effect of manmade CO2 emissions.
Manmade CO2 emissions became significant after 1975 and there was a declining trend of Arctic sea ice in the same period.
There is no logical reason to believe that correlation was a coincidence, or that the long term declining trend has ended based on data mining th past five days.
bnice gets very excited by a few days of regional cold weather
2023 was the warmest year in the instrument record since 1880
Never mind that
Can’t talk about such things!
Assumes “motivation(s)”, which is always (very) susceptible to human error and internal biases.
I might as well respond that if someone “only” mentions the “long-term” (complete dataset, 45 year) trend while “forgetting” to mention that the most recent (/ “current” …) 17-year trend (since 2007) is zero, then the only possible conclusion is that that person is (definitely, absolutely, guaranteed certain, honest guv’nor …) “trying to deceive people”.
There have been many, many, occasions in the past when I have been so concentrated on checking one specific aspect of an issue it took me a long time to “notice” something that from that point on was “obvious” in the dataset (/ graphic).
As a Canadian judge once put it, we should “play the Ball, not the Mann” …
Sorry you are totally incapable of accepting the FACT that day 364 of 2023 shows Arctic sea ice extent greater than any day 364 of the last 20 or so years.
But that doesn’t change the fact.. just make you look stupid. !
Denial of the Holocene Optimum and the higher temperatures and far less sea ice.. is just plain ignorance.
“ the current long term trend”
The “long term trend” ????
Arctic sea ice has been increasing trend wise for some 3000 years at least.
The drop from the extreme high in 1979 is a piddlingly “short term trend.”
It has also been a massive benefit to Arctic sea life, with creatures returning which were last in the region in the latter part of the MWP.
“Proxy reconstructions DO NOT include any effect of manmade CO2 emissions.”
what effects???
Provide scientific proof… sadly lacking
“correlation was a coincidence”
There is NO scientific reason to believe that correlation is NOT just a short term coincidence.
“Believing” that a short term correlation is proof , is the stuff of NON-science
Also the Holocene cooled over the last 3000 years.. CO2 went up..
This is called ANTI-correlation.
Arctic sea ice decline has basically levelled off in since around 2012, at a level still far above the Holocene normal.
CO2 emissions and atmospheric ppm have continued to climb
Random correlation… busted. !!!
Where skeptics get trapped is in taking the bait to refute that there’s a secular warming trend, while swallowing whole the whopper premise that a warming trend is ominous and harmful.
Similarly taking the bait to refute that fossil fuel emissions have raised CO2 concentration, while swallowing whole the whopper premise that higher CO2 causes dangerous warming.
Reality is that there’s a real warming trend and we don’t know for sure if it’s natural factors alone or in combination with modest anthropogenic factors that is causing that. Reality is that we emit roughly twice as much CO2 as the CO2 content of the atmosphere increases.
So if we’re baited into defending indefensible positions, we’re bound to lose the argument without having even questioned the alarmists’ unwarranted premises.
“2023 was the warmest year in the instrument record since 1880“
The so-called “instrumental record” is basically meaningless as measure of global temperature change over time.
It highly infected by Urban encroachment on surface sites.
It is highly mal-manipulated to match the AGW agenda.
Its coverage is random and sparse.
Much of it is just plain “made-up” especially ocean temperatures.
Isn’t the Michael Mann Hockey Stick graph also based on “Inaccurate localized Climate Proxy Reconstructions”?
Most of his Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age Cold Period eliminating reconstructions are based on similar Proxy Reconstructions.
One should never splice together Low Resolution Proxy Data with High Resolution Thermometer Data and pass it off as an accurate depiction of history
“wild speculation”
Dickie-bird’s idea of “wild speculation”, is actual science he doesn’t, and can’t be expected to understand or comprehend…
… and that counters his mis-understanding and/or lack of awareness of climate history.
Sea ice extent at both poles is higher than in 2005 at this time.
https://realclimatescience.com/2023/12/hottest-year-ever-16/#gsc.tab=0
https://realclimate.science/?attachment_id=134880
Why is this important? Because multiple alarmist “experts” said the opposite would happen.
Every alarmist long term climate prediction has been wrong for over a century. That takes talent.
But the prediction of less Arctic ice was correct.
5 days of data mining does not prove the long term down trend has ended
Alarmists were very wrong about Antarctica melting, with up to 90% of all land ice there, where a tiny amount of melting has had no visible effect on global tide gauge trends
Most of Antarctica can’t melt from more CO2 because of the permanent temperature inversion over most of the contient. (pink areas on chart below if it shows up)
There is some melting of the tiny peninsula and some ice shelves due to nearby underseas volcanoes. The peninsula is also affected by ocean currents.
The claimed ice mass loss, which seems like a wild guess to me, will melt Antarctica in 1.6 million years if the current interglacial never ends
Claimed ice mass loss 150 gigatons a year
Total ice mass 24.4 MILLION gigatons
Stat building an ark, folks!
lol! Keep on keeping on. More now than in 2005 and you can’t accept that FACT!
Dickie greenie has got a habit of ignoring facts and data, in a vain attempt to push his erroneous understanding of certain facets of the farce that is “climate change™”
04.03.2003:
Polar ice has been melting for 150 years WWF reconstructs climate change in the Arctic
Düsseldorf (rpo) The Arctic ice has been retreating for at least 150 years. This is the conclusion reached by the WWF and the Norwegian Polar Institute (NPI) in a new study.
The researchers consulted the records of long-dead polar explorers and discoverers and reconstructed the extent of the Arctic ice in different eras on the basis of these sources. The slow but steady melting of the ice can be traced on 6,000 maps.
Until now, observations of climate change have been based primarily on satellite images. To reconstruct the climatic conditions in the past, scientists rely on computer modeling or so-called ice core drillings.
The WWF study is the first to systematically evaluate climate observations from earlier eras. Among other things, the researchers analyzed logbooks of seafarers and whalers. The captains have been recording weather conditions and special occurrences, such as the appearance of whales or icebergs, for more than 500 years.
On this basis, the changes in the ice in the Arctic Ocean can be traced back to the 16th century. “The new archive makes it possible to better understand the consequences of climate change,” explains Regine Günther, Head of the Climate Protection and Energy Policy Department at WWF Germany.
Sir Hugh Willoughby’s records were the oldest document included in the investigation. The English captain set sail from London in 1553 in an attempt to find a north-east route to China. It remained an attempt. His ship got stuck in the ice near Murmansk and most of the crew perished. However, his logbook was found. It provides information about the weather conditions in the region almost 500 years ago.
The Arctic researchers spent more than 15 years compiling the data. With the support of the WWF, they created a historical map archive that is freely accessible to scientists from all over the world. They can go on an “ice-cold journey through time” on the Internet. The data can also be requested on CD-ROM from the Norwegian Polar Institute.
German source
Archive Qicklooks
Buy an “u”
Further links to the Archive under “Resources”
“The Arctic ice has been retreating for at least 150 years.”
Yep reached an extreme high during the LIA.
Icelandic sea ice records show this very clearly.
They also clearly show the peak around the 1979.
Properly graphed.
Looks so less scary, doesn’t it 😉
Remembering that 1979 was an anomalous high
note, average is 365 day average, (not max+min / 2)
This graph was done a few weeks ago. so 2023 is an open dot.
Actually it bottomed out in 2012 according to your graph. Also, the 2023 summer low ice extent is the highest since 2007! Sixteen years of reversal is beginning to look like a recovery. Remember, too, that 1979 was the bottom of a 40yr T° decline, the famous “Ice Age Cometh” period that had climatologists worried! Err… that was also human’s fault, too. You do know that the 20th century T° highstand was in the late 1930 to mid 40s (until climateers began fiddling temperatures. )
Richard Green,
Using your own graph, it looks like 2007 was lower than 2023 in terms of September “extent.” Draw a “trend line” from 2007 to now and you’ll notice a rise. Would this not suggest the decline has “bottomed out”?
Met Office can’t get the forecast right for this afternoon.
I took a Weather class in College, and the Professor said something that the Met, and other similar forecast agencies, seem to not know: the first step in weather forecasting is to look out the window.
More modelologists than meteorologists now days:
The weather models get proven right or wring in a few days. I prefer blonde weather models.
The climate models need 50 to 100 years to be proven wrong
The climate models need 50 to 100 years to be proven wrong!
The UN IPCC says 30 years. But of course in this case since they have been already been proven wrong you are doing exactly what alarmists always do in such circumstances. Move the goal posts!
And yes there is a way to check climate model accuracy before the actual event happens. It’s called hindcasting! And the ensemble of climate models has proven miserably inaccurate when put to that test in an honest evaluation.
They are already proving they are running way too warm.
FAILURE in just a few years.. Not a good start, is it.
They will just have to adjust their baseline and past data a bit more, hey !
Yes, the “Long range” forecast is 4-13 of January this year! That’s about the same as 1944. And the Super Computer cost how much?
Looks like almost half the UK population is going to have a chilli Willie
Hope they enjoy their EVs and heat pumps.
“”A Cold Start to The New Year????
Not for The British Army haha, oh he11 no, ‘Cutting Edge’ Cylo Boilers ## are where the real action is
Headline:“Military shuns heat pumps and turns to ‘cutting edge’ boilers to warm homes
UK Daily Express
They still managed to spend twice what anyone else would for a boiler though.
The Blob is everywhere and will suffocate the whole damn lot of us.
## As best I can tell, they are a glorified immersion heater connected to a hot water tank – enabling it to be ’emission free’ and able to use ‘cheap electricity’
We are in sooo much trouble – these folks are given guns, ammo, tanks bombs and rockets and THEN, they think there is ‘cheap electricity’ in the UK
<runs for cover>
Even better, Cylo boilers are described as ‘Smart’
sigh
Oh, come on Peta electricity is cheap in the UK – it’s only almost 4 times as expensive as gas after all! 🙂
I have a PhD in Mathematics. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to predict the weather for more than FOUR HOURS in advance, as the weather is a “dynamical system” and is way too complicated to be anything resembling accurate, other that it is generally cold in the Winter, and hot in the Summer…. other than that, it is mostly a “crap shoot”
Up until I retired injured in 1998 our tame met. company would give forecasts for all berths in the river for a maximum of just 3 hours into the future, so it is good to know that things have improved.
Thay always said that forecasting any further into the future was just an educated guess.
But a guid newyear tae aw wur readers and lang may ler lums reek.
My lum canna reek, because I haven’t got one. (They don’t go well in flats).
But all the best to you and yours.
Bhliadhna mhath ure, Oldseadog!
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Lang+may+yer+lum+reek!
You just Piled it High and Deep
Study meteorology next time
Weather is easily predicted for a few days. Here in SE Michigan our weather is usually similar to the weather in Chicago in the previous day or two
A seven-day forecast can accurately predict the weather about 80 percent of the time and a five-day forecast can accurately predict the weather approximately 90 percent of the time. However, a 10-day—or longer—forecast is only right about half the time.
how about a climate forecast for the end of this century?
Easy to predict with 100% accuracy, which I did in 1997
The future climate will get warmer
unless it gets colder
I hop for warmer
Only ski bums like colder
The worst thing about climate change, except the leftists behind it, are claims to be able to predict the future long term climate after failing for the past century.. And that a lot of people still believe these wild guess climate astrology predictions. Maybe because computers are programmed to scare people and people like scary stories?
My computer model in 2004 predicted I could retire in January 2005 at age 51 and I would have one million dollars by 2023. And I did retore because I trusted the model. At the end of 2023 I calculated my net worth, which was $129.50 plus my copper penny collection and ten 66cent forever stamps. So much for computer models.
“The future climate will get warmer unless it gets colder”
Likely more accurate than the bog-standard “climate science” prediction. Well done. ! 😉
Better than a nothing degree in finance, though dickie. !
Richard,
As your only (occasional) defender on WUWT, won’t you take my advice and quit digging?
At this point you’d probably get down-voted for admitting you were wrong, apologizing abjectly for trolling everybody, invoking Tiny Tim saying “God bless us, every one”, and ending with an adorable kitten video link.
What motivates you to post like this? It can’t be to try to persuade anyone, so what is it?
BS. Unless you’re talking about a VERY large region where fronts will affect at least a good portion of it.
“Smaller” regions – like SE Arizona (larger than most New England STATES), where I live? THREE DAY forecast on Sunday had over 60% rain starting Monday night. Two glorious sunny days immediately followed.
I do not believe ANY forecast for longer than 24 hours – and still hedge my bets if they’re forecasting good weather.
Don’t understand why you got so many upvotes for that statement of utter crap.
Just by reading my barometer and wind direction and any signs shown from the clouds and sky, l can make a good forecast of what the weather likely to be over the next 12 to 24 hours.
I heard Benko pays his relatives $1 each for upvotes.
OK. So yours won’t upvote your comments for any amount then? Seems about right.
Dickie is jealous.
So sad !
Hint, dickie.. type common-sense as opposed to arrant garbage..
… and you may be able to get out of negative territory.
depends on how you define “predict”, the word that Benko used- and the word “good” that you used
Well when want to shift my forecast from good to predict then l check out the rain radar
Was watching the rain radar the other day.
Weatherzone has a 1 hour forecast which was showing a strong storm cell coming right at us and giving us a right little drenching.
Most we got was a few random sprinkles.
Gee! Then you have rain gear and cold weather clothing on your person 24/7 365?
It’s coming big time for a whole lot of us. Joe Bastardi has been looking at it for weeks and now all the models are starting to catch on.
Real winter will start next week for a lot of us. Subzero stuff for many and possible temps running 30 degrees below average right down to the Gulf coast.
Plenty of snow too!
Warm up towards the end of the month and then we’re likely to plunge into the deep freeze again in Feb. strat warming event that is likely to bring the 2nd wave of polar air in Feb is starting now.
Europe is going to get their share.
It’s always unusually cold somewhere and unusually warm elsewhere.
Predictions beyond a week are wild guesses.
“Predictions beyond a week are wild guesses“
So you say, that is unless they are about the climate 30 or more years out! Then “predictions” are to be believed/
Admitting that this is all totally natural variability.. Well done.
One doesn’t NEED to invent a CO2 boogieman
I’ve got a problem.
When the leaves fell I noticed a hornets nest high up in the silver Maple in my front yard.
Some of them have decided to try and winter over in the firewood I have stacked under the lean-to off the back of my old garage.
When I bring firewood in for my insert they get reanimated as they warm up and crawl up the wall or out onto the carpet. I got stung by one I didn’t see yesterday. I’m hoping the subzero temps we’re likely to get at my Central Indiana home will do them in.
Ouch. Bee’s I’m ok with but Wasp’s and Hornet’s are to be avoided or removed with extreme prejudice. Get rid of the Hornet’s nest first if they’ve all left, then hope the cold does for the ones in the wood pile.
It’s yellow jackets that I hate. I was once out marking timber and stepped on their nest in the ground. I was wearing coveralls- the kind with straps over the shoulders and wearing it loose. Several got into the coveralls and started stinging me. Quickly I tore off all my clothes and ran back to my truck buck naked. 🙂
Do them in with chemical sprayed from a distance
Interestingly, all the worker hornets die during winter while the fertilized females live. They hibernate in shelters until the temperature rises above 50 degrees. Mated queen hornets seek shelter anywhere it’s warm. This includes under tree bark, roofing tiles, and mulch.
What do hornets hate the most?
Peppermint oil: Wasps and hornets hate the smell of peppermint oil! So, take a cotton ball soaked in peppermint oil and place it near areas where you’ve seen wasps and hornets. You can also add a few drops of peppermint oil to a spray bottle filled with water and use it to spray areas.
Here’s a non-chemical approach.
Get a tough transparent plastic bag fill with logs to burn, seal and bring inside. Any wasps will become active as they warm and they’ll try to get out of the bag but you’ll be able to see them. They’ll usually crawl on the inside of the plastic trying to escape and you can kill them by squeezing them between the plastic.
Not a bad idea! Thanks! Now to find a tough, resealable, clear, thick plastic bag. Thinking on that.
You could alternatively heat some logs up to about 200F in an oven for a little while, but your wife probably wouldn’t appreciate that.
Yes its shaping up to be some classic northern blocking.
Every winter should have at least one if just to remind the public of the utter follie of net zero.
Yea! The nest is coming down. No worries because it’s too cold for them to do anything at all. My neighbor and friend has an old utility truck with cherry picker that reaches high enough. But I want to wait until the ground is well frozen before we use it.
Hi rah, great reply but maybe needs to go one comment further up?
Yes. Too late now.
Heaviest snow in South Korea’s capital Seoul for more than 40 years
Here in the UK one of the reasons l think that recent winters have been warming is because there has been a decline in this type of northern blocking along with increased blocking over th Azores and europe.
A other factor am now starting to believe is also that the switch from recording temps with manual thermometers to digital thermometer over recent years is the sole cause of this so called man made warming and has nothing to do with CO2.
l mean “the sole cause of any man made warming”
It’s difficult to refute that conclusion, given other evidence from US, Australian, and other sources saying much the same thing. The only question in my mind is whether it’s a) intentional, b) accidental but the climate enthusiasts are aware and taking full advantage, or c) it’s accidental and the climate enthusiasts are completely ignorant of this. I’m edging away from c and towards either a or b, b if I’m feeling generous!
Is Climate Change really caused by electronic thermometers? (The BOM don’t want Australians to see the data)
You may have a look to Jo Novas blog about the subject.
Yeah, I saw this, also read Jennifer Marohasy’s site on it. Shaping up to be a very big deal (hopefully).
Add that to urban and other encroachment of temperature surface sites..
There is not much left , is there !!
Yeah! am growing more and more convinced that this made a important difference in the recording of temps. Am currently doing my own study on this at the moment.
lts early days but one thing that maybe causing the warm readings is that when sun starts shinning the weather stations they are not fully offseting its warming effects it has on the thermometer.
As to your question l think b is the most likely.
They are adjusting the temps to try and show a direct correspondence between the rise in atmospheric CO2 and rise in temperature.
Yes am starting to think there is a cover up here and this could end up been a big story.
Lets hope more reseach goes into it and to get more people aware of whats been going on.
A look at the NAO may help to have a partial idea of the coming weather.
The alarmists call it climate. Never mind that the North Atlantic multi decadal osilation tends to run on a 60 to 80 year period.
Currently the short term ones, NAO, EPO, AO, PNA, WPO, are negative or forecast to go negative shortly.
Joe Bastardi is thinking there is a fair chance that some of us in the lower 48 may experience winter storms the likes of which we have not seen since the winters of 78 and 79.
Ouch, that could get very painful – especially if we get a second dose in Feb.
Even worse for Europe as far as the cold goes. Good chance they don’t get much of a break and most of the continent will remain colder than normal for the balance of winter.
Didn’t talk about AMO 😀
No you didn’t. I did! Should have inverted the paragraphs.
Yes shifts in the longer term weather patterning would help to explain the UK’s warming winters while at the same time having little effect on the timimg of the first snow.
The cold weather has not gone away, its just not turning up as often.
Probably a good time to compare the 60’s to 70’s winter weather patterns (mild, cold or very cold) with what we’re getting just now. Weather patterns do repeat, although not exactly, so we could maybe make a few good guesses as to what the weather may do for the next few years.
Enter increased WV in that equation.
Here in Cheshire, we’ve had the first chequer board spraying of the New Year.
The day started off clear and sunny with a lovely blue sky. Then the wanton vandals struck and now it’s just that awful dull grey as far as the eye can see.
In the next few days, the polar vortex will form two centers in accordance with the centers of the geomagnetic field in the north.
Isobars show how the circulation in the tropopause will proceed. Warmer air from over the Atlantic will reach Svalbard, and the Russian high will strengthen in eastern Europe.
About time. The Central England Temperature (CET) series just equalled it’s warmest year on record. With an average annual temperature of 11.1C, 2023 and 2022 are statistically tied as the two warmest years in the world’s oldest temperature series (starts 1659).
cold kills Nail.
Warm is good. CO2 is plant food.
But it’s not about “warm is bad” is it Nail? it’s about reducing carbon, i.e. us.
Exposure to 11C can cause hypothermia and death in hours.
Not when it’s an annual average temperature.
So at least half the temperatures are LESS than that
Gees, you don’t understand basic mathematics either, do you !
Does your boyfriend call you his “pet rock “?
CET is heavily affected by population growth and the UK has had a period of more sunshine
(that is a really bad thing according to warm-mongers) 😉
So it is just LUCKY natural variability…
NO evidence CO2 has anything to do with it.
Natural variability doesn’t produce statistically significant trends (otherwise they wouldn’t have statistical significance).
Why does everyone here but me mention CO2?
So you don’t believe the whole CO2 warming malarky then.
How do you know natural variability doesn’t create trends !!
Even from you that is a completely MORONIC statement, based on absolute ignorance. (as usual)
Natural variability is responsible for ALL the massive changes in climate over billions of years.
“average annual temperature of 11.1C”
OMG, that is seriously COLD !!
And an annual average is basically meaningless.
We expect nothing more from you.
It’s HadCET – they’ve been criticised many times for adding UHI adjustments, ie – moving the temperatures upwards not downwards. It’s all a bit of a con really.
CET is adjusted for UHI. It’s in all their published papers.
Yes.. the wrong way.
Ignorance is your only meme, isn’t it.
Did you know that the NATURAL VARIABLITY of the incoming solar energy is a really good match to the slight warming.
At least you have now admitted that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Yawn, no one died from it, why don’t go read a book on logic.
Everyone here knows there is a warming trend since 1979 since around 1920 since around 1850, since around 1700 thus you can drop the stupid warmest year, month, day, second, nanosecond on record crap it is BOOOORING!!!
I remember, a while back, when Homewood championed the 30-something coldest March in CET. This was clear evidence, apparently, that CET wasn’t getting warmer.
Two consecutive warmest years in CET and Homewood gives it barely a mention. Suddenly, it becomes ‘stupid’. Yet he maintains a separate section of his site on CET (which he pretty much now ignores).
Such a yappy chappy.. mindlessly persistent on showing his abject ignorance.
Hilarious !!
Ignore the sunshine and the urban warming.. and go into full-on PANIC mode over a bit of minor NATURAL warming in an otherwise RATHER COLD country.
Do you know just how STUPID and chicken-little you sound !
I noticed you ignored my post because you know it is true.
LOL.
So when do we finally get to the dreaded “Tipping Point”, when the atmosphere goes crazy due to a never ending cycle of unnatural feed backs?
Forecast on my weather app says the high here today will be 37 F. I don’t care! We’re ready for steaks done on the grill. So about 16:00 I’ll be in my winter coat grilling two ribeyes that have been marinating all night in the fridge. Meal rounded out with a salad of 50% spring mix and 50% baby spinach and a baked potato.
Glutton for punishment.
Why can’t you just cook them in the kitchen where you won’t need the coat?
Are you serious? The difference in taste! I just wish I had the Pitboss wood pellet grill and smoker that my son gave me for Christmas put together. But my well seasoned old IR will have to do.
I’ll likely be sipping on an adult beverage to help me feel warmer while grilling.
My home weather station shows a temp of 36.1 F, humidity 78%, wind out of the North at 6 mph with a maximum gust of 12 mph in the last hour, and shows it feels like 30.7 deg. Pressure 30.16 so precipitation shouldn’t be a problem.
“I’ll likely be sipping on an adult beverage to help me feel warmer while grilling.”
A right and PROPER life-style ! 🙂
Hadn’t decided what the beverage would be at the time I wrote that. Now have a Jack Daniel’s old #7 in hand, on the rocks with just a little cola in it as the grill warms up. Happy New Year!
And BTW to ALL of you at WUWT and posting here. I sincerely wish you ALL a happy and healthy 2024!
You can keep your American whiskey, I have a very nice 10 yr old single malt Jura whisky that I am working my way through! All the best.
More into a nice solid Hunter Red with steak. 😉
I finished off a very nice Barossa valley red on Boxing day. I do like the SE Australian wines but getting one that specifically mentions the location can be difficult in the UK. Have to keep looking.
Huh. You could have put them outside in a sealed container to marinate. (Or what was your low? Might have frozen.)
Ah, yes. Well, always remember, unusually cold weather is always a sign of global warming.