The New York Times (NYT) recently posted an article, “A Climate Change Success Story? Look at Hoboken,” claiming Hoboken, New Jersey is doing a good job handling climate change related flooding. Although it is true that Hoboken has historically been prone to flooding it has nothing to do with climate change. Much of Hoboken is located in a flood plain. As a result designing infrastructure to handle flooding is a good idea, even if human-caused climate change is not responsible for the flooding.
The article starts off by admitting that Hoboken was “once a marshy outcropping that the Lenape inhabited only seasonally,” on the Hudson River, and “three-quarters of it occupies a flood plain.” The NYT even calls the city “a water magnet” before claiming that scientists say it might be underwater by 2100 due to rising seas.
This is an important admission, because flood plains are, obviously, prone to flooding regardless of climate change. The city’s usable land is just over one square mile, and sits at just 23 feet of elevation.
As discussed in many Climate Realism stories about various towns and cities on floodplains, including here, here, and here, for example, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports only “low confidence” that climate change is having any impact on flooding, despite contributing to a bit more precipitation in the mid-latitudes of the northern hemisphere.
Hoboken is across the river from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Tides and Currents sea level monitoring station in The Battery, New York, which shows relatively stable sea level rise since the 1850s. If this trend continues, Hoboken would probably have sea water lapping at their toes in more like two thousand years than by 2100, as NYT claims. (See figure below)
This data suggests no apparent increase in the rate of local sea level rise due to purported human climate change. Of course, sea level rise is just one possible factor in measured sea level rise, another factor, land subsidence (sinking) is also to blame, especially in nearby New York City.
Cities are prone to bad floods even if they aren’t already in a historic flood plain – the increase of impermeable surfaces like concrete and asphalt makes it difficult for water from heavy rains to soak into the ground, instead pooling on the surface and causing damage to buildings. The city council in Hoboken seems to be aware of this factor, fortunately, and much of the NYT article focuses on the infrastructure plans that the city has implemented over the years to improve water handling.
The NYT points out that old, aging “sewers like New York’s, which process both waste and storm water, were built to handle only a couple of inches of rain per hour.” They neglected to mention that undoubtedly the amount of waste has also increased, as the city’s population increased substantially over the decades.
Hoboken increased the capacity of their sewer systems, and added cisterns and basins to hold even more water underneath new parks and playgrounds. They also fixed power lines and improved building flood protection. All of these are good ideas for a city that has, due to its location, historically been prone to flooding, regardless of climate change.
The New York Times would do well to remove the climate change alarmist claims from this article, and instead focus on the reality of improving weather resilience to a city that badly needed it because hundreds of years ago, someone decided a patch of land that was mostly riverside swamp was a good place to set up a city.
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Effective sewers? Not the sort of thing an English Lit major thinks of.
The photo you have at the top is mostly of Jersey City. The Erie Lackawanna RR terminal marks the border between Hoboken and Jersey City. The photo is looking south through NY Bay
That is the view of lower part of Hoboken.
The higher part is towards Stevens Institute of Technology, which is on the hills of the Palisades; no change of any flooding there.
I used to live and study there in the 50s and early 60s
No one ever thought about flooding, because its has not been an issue for 170 years.
NYCITY, after a lot of building and paving, needs a much bigger and better functioning sewer/storm water system.
The present system is third world, due to $200 BILLION/y being used for Democrat priorities on the just walk-in border, and blackhole, corrupt Ukraine, and the Middle East blowing up.
I lived Jersey City the first 26 years of my life. Everything in the picture is Jersey City except the RR terminal
…and the portion of the railroad terminal in the picture is actually the ferry slips which offered a transportation alternative to lower Manhattan.
Yes and RR’s that terminated in Jersey City also had them
The Jersey Central Railroad. They had a terminal which was used to ferry railcars into Manhattan.
We were so smart back then
The Pennsylvania and Erie RR’s also had terminals in Jersey City with ferry service to NYC. Those and the old industrial sites now have high rise buildings on them
I am also an alumnus of Stevens Institute of Technology on Castle Point, whose summit is about 60 feet higher than the normal level of the Hudson River, on top of a cliff.
Most of the remainder of Hoboken is relatively flat, but elevated several feet above the normal level of the Hudson River. There is a road along the shore, now called Frank Sinatra Drive, and in the four years I attended Stevens (1974-1978), it never flooded. Back then, nobody worried about “global warming”, but mainstream media were warning of a coming ice age.
There are tidal flows in the Hudson River at the level of Hoboken (the water flows north during a strong incoming tide), but since Hoboken is about 8 miles north of the inlet of The Narrows (where the Verrazano Bridge crosses the Hudson River), the tidal effect is relatively weak near Hoboken. Sea level rise would have very little effect on flooding in Hoboken.
If there was to be a major flood in Hoboken, it would likely be due to heavy rains (or rapid snow melt) in the Catskill (NY) and Berkshire (MA) mountains, which could cause the Hudson River to flood, particularly because it is channeled by the Palisades cliffs on the west bank of the river to the north of Hoboken.
“NYCITY needs a much bigger and better functioning sewer/storm water system.”
You mean besides the subway system tunnels. Or are they only for extreme events?
“ no change of any flooding there.” So, how much flooding has there been, there.?
Does Hoboken have any spare cash?
“”Climate reparations can curb Middle East instability, rich nations told – Dr Friederike Otto of World Weather Attribution project fame””
https://www.thenationalnews.com/climate/cop28/2023/11/14/climate-reparations-can-curb-middle-east-instability-rich-nations-told/
Finger pointing comes easy
Linnea ==> Nicely done. Hoboken is doing all the right things — things it should have done decades ago.
What isn’t being done is to re-cut the channels to the Hudson River so that the flood plain does its historical job. Had water been able to easily flow into that vast floodplain, Sandy would not have caused as much damage.
Most of the flooding problems in northern New Jersey are not along the Hudson River, but along the Passaic River, particularly in a flat area just west of the Willowbrook Mall in Wayne, NJ.
The Passaic River flows into that area from the hills to the northwest, then turns northeast, then south in a relatively narrow channel, eventually emptying into New York Bay.
Some decades ago, a developer decided to build houses on a few square miles of flat land west of Wayne, which does have easy access to the highways passing through that area (I-80, US 46, and NJ State Route 23).
However, after heavy rains, water rushes down from the northwestern hills, but the narrow channel downstream of Wayne doesn’t allow it to drain very fast, so it accumulates in the plain, and causes frequent flooding in that area. It would be difficult to widen the channel downstream, which flows through a heavily populated area.
To paraphrase “My Fair Lady”, the rain in Wayne stays mainly on the plain.
Yes absolutely. I’ve been playing with water for nearly 65 years and one thing I’ve learned, you can get really immense and satisfying returns from very modest investments of time, materials and effort.
Some measure of patience is useful too.
Respect water and it will do whatever you want.
It is truly amazing stuff and Climate Science could do well to recognise that
Story Tip
Germany presents hydrogen core network plan in bid for 2045 climate neutrality
Much more craziness isn’t possible.
A Green as Federal Economics Minister (and Climate Minister)…. only following his ideology…
“”Much more craziness isn’t possible.””
You would have thought so, but I’m not convinced they’ve hit peak lunacy by a long chalk.
If everything is warming faster than the global average as they claim…
“”The science is irrefutable’: US warming faster than global average””
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/14/us-national-climate-assessment-global-warming-report
Still, they take solace in their belief
As most ‘sane’ people realize, changes in climate have, and will, always be with us. It is very, very frustrating to watch all of this wasted ‘energy’ and increased economic pain.
They are going to ruin those existing gas pipelines with Hydrogen embrittlement. Then they will have no gas infrastructure at all.
Yeah, and those pipelines are incapable of keeping the hydrogen inside so there will be hydrogen leaks all over the country. Don’t they remember the Hindenburg?
“The project will be privately financed.” Gee, it would be interesting to have the names of the fools, and how they got their money… couldn’t have been from wise decisions.
news tip
Keeping an eye on the regions when it comes to climate change
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231106134804.htm
The long-term climate of the Earth is a 2.56 million-year ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation. About 20% of the land is permafrost or covered by glaciers and it snows every year..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation
Very nice. The CAGW crowd have nothing but lies, they are doomed.