Definitely. Fifteen years is nothing. Thirty years is nothing.
We have written temperature records that go back several hundred years. Those written records show it was just as warm in the recent past as it is today.
There is more CO2 in the atmosphere today than there was in the recent past, yet it is no warmer today than then, so it is logical to assume that CO2 has had little effect on the atmospheric temperatures. More CO2 today, but it’s not any warmer.
A couple of decades ago, I was arguing with an alarmist about what was causing the surface to warm up. I said that a simple atmospheric model I had created indicated that it wasn’t due to the GHE but to a change in albedo. (Two patches of land, one without vegetation and one with vegetation—all else being equal the patch with vegetation will be darker and absorb more sunlight.) He asked me how many layers that my model had had, and I said four or five. He said I couldn’t model the atmosphere with just five layers—I needed hundreds. I told him that one layer would be sufficient if it was reasonably accurate. And I wasn’t modeling everything about the atmosphere—just the energy flows.
It’s interesting, but a couple of years ago I checked with the current crop of climate models, and they only had about thirty layers—not hundreds. Since that time, I have made a few simplifying assumptions and created a model with n layers. Then it’s easy to take the limit as n goes to infinity. So much for hundreds of layers.
“A couple of decades ago, I was arguing with an alarmist”
It’s amazing this insanity has been going on this long. As long as the internet is old.
Not that there were not arguments pro and con before the internet, but the internet made these arguments available to all.
I so much wished there had been an internet back in the 1970’s when the Human-caused Global Cooling nuttiness was going on. Oh, how i wanted to weigh in on the unscientific behavior I was seeing.
The climate alarmists did the same thing with Human-caused Global Cooling that they did with Human-caused Global Warming: They presented speculation, and assumptions as proven facts.
They *never* had any evidence that humans were causing the climate to cool. And they don’t have any evidence that humans are causing the climate to warm today, either.
The difference is I can complain about it now. This, the internet, is much better than writing a complaint to the Letters section of Scientific American.
This “Human-caused” Delusion has become a Monster. Based on nothing. It’s Mass Hysteria. Unfortunately, the internet helps to foster this delusion. That, and the Big Bucks (money).
“I so much wished there had been an internet back in the 1970’s when the Human-caused Global Cooling nuttiness was going on.”
I remember having to dial-in with a phone modem. The software allowed you to edit offline and then when you dialed-in, it uploaded your comments and download any new comments. That was also back when Compuserve was going strong. My argument happened to be on the Republican forum. The Science and Math forum was being held in sway by a retired meteorologist who absolutely believed in global warming. For some reason, the sysops protected him.
I also spent some time on the SciFi Forum. They had a science section. The usual argument was about evolution. The various creationists who engaged loved to argue that Evolution was only a theory. They apparently thought that laws were “proven theories.” Then a new group showed up promoting global warming. They sounded exactly like the creationists.
CD in Wisconsin
September 17, 2023 5:05 pm
Update from Berlin: Activists spray paint the columns of the Brandenberg Gate to demand action on climate. These idiots appear to be getting desperate.
story tip: https://www.noaa.gov/news/world-just-sweltered-through-its-hottest-august-on-record
story tip
https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/the-most-accurate-record-of-us-temperatures
I think it’s misleading to say the U.S. is warming rapidly given that this is using only 15 years of data right?
Definitely. Fifteen years is nothing. Thirty years is nothing.
We have written temperature records that go back several hundred years. Those written records show it was just as warm in the recent past as it is today.
There is more CO2 in the atmosphere today than there was in the recent past, yet it is no warmer today than then, so it is logical to assume that CO2 has had little effect on the atmospheric temperatures. More CO2 today, but it’s not any warmer.
A couple of decades ago, I was arguing with an alarmist about what was causing the surface to warm up. I said that a simple atmospheric model I had created indicated that it wasn’t due to the GHE but to a change in albedo. (Two patches of land, one without vegetation and one with vegetation—all else being equal the patch with vegetation will be darker and absorb more sunlight.) He asked me how many layers that my model had had, and I said four or five. He said I couldn’t model the atmosphere with just five layers—I needed hundreds. I told him that one layer would be sufficient if it was reasonably accurate. And I wasn’t modeling everything about the atmosphere—just the energy flows.
It’s interesting, but a couple of years ago I checked with the current crop of climate models, and they only had about thirty layers—not hundreds. Since that time, I have made a few simplifying assumptions and created a model with n layers. Then it’s easy to take the limit as n goes to infinity. So much for hundreds of layers.
“A couple of decades ago, I was arguing with an alarmist”
It’s amazing this insanity has been going on this long. As long as the internet is old.
Not that there were not arguments pro and con before the internet, but the internet made these arguments available to all.
I so much wished there had been an internet back in the 1970’s when the Human-caused Global Cooling nuttiness was going on. Oh, how i wanted to weigh in on the unscientific behavior I was seeing.
The climate alarmists did the same thing with Human-caused Global Cooling that they did with Human-caused Global Warming: They presented speculation, and assumptions as proven facts.
They *never* had any evidence that humans were causing the climate to cool. And they don’t have any evidence that humans are causing the climate to warm today, either.
The difference is I can complain about it now. This, the internet, is much better than writing a complaint to the Letters section of Scientific American.
This “Human-caused” Delusion has become a Monster. Based on nothing. It’s Mass Hysteria. Unfortunately, the internet helps to foster this delusion. That, and the Big Bucks (money).
“I so much wished there had been an internet back in the 1970’s when the Human-caused Global Cooling nuttiness was going on.”
I remember having to dial-in with a phone modem. The software allowed you to edit offline and then when you dialed-in, it uploaded your comments and download any new comments. That was also back when Compuserve was going strong. My argument happened to be on the Republican forum. The Science and Math forum was being held in sway by a retired meteorologist who absolutely believed in global warming. For some reason, the sysops protected him.
I also spent some time on the SciFi Forum. They had a science section. The usual argument was about evolution. The various creationists who engaged loved to argue that Evolution was only a theory. They apparently thought that laws were “proven theories.” Then a new group showed up promoting global warming. They sounded exactly like the creationists.
Update from Berlin: Activists spray paint the columns of the Brandenberg Gate to demand action on climate. These idiots appear to be getting desperate.
Climate activists spray-paint Brandenburg Gate to demand political action | AFP – YouTube
News Tip
As most here already suspect ….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/17/schumers-first-ai-conference-sets-goal-of-2024-election-with-big-tech-embracing-govt-regulation/
What is with this ?
https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1703436144526889045
Climate change: the dimensional haircut?
https://ptolemy2.wordpress.com/2023/09/18/the-dimensional-haircut/