Essay by Eric Worrall
In Australia and I’m sure in parts of the USA, we call temperatures above 100 a warm summer day. But this hasn’t stopped the BBC from trying to frighten their audience with a little warm weather.
Climate change: Vietnam records highest-ever temperature of 44.1C
Vietnam has recorded its highest ever temperature, just over 44C (111F) – with experts predicting it would soon be surpassed because of climate change.
The record was set in the northern province of Thanh Hoa, where officials warned people to stay indoors during the hottest times of the day.
Other countries in the region have also been experiencing extremely hot weather.
Thailand reported a record-equalling 44.6C in its western Mak province.
Meanwhile Myanmar’s media reported that a town in the east had recorded 43.8C, the highest temperature for a decade.
Both countries experience a hot period before the monsoon season but the intensity of the heat has broken previous records.
In Hanoi, climate change expert Nguyen Ngoc Huy told AFP that Vietnam’s new record was “worrying” given the “context of climate change and global warming”.
“I believe this record will be repeated many times,” he said. “It confirms that extreme climate models are being proven to be true.”
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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65518528
Britain is a cold country, the UK MET defines temperatures above approximately 28C / 82F as a heatwave – which allows the BBC to write lots of scary stories when a warm part of the world experiences some summer heat.
Are such temperatures dangerous? Sure, if you’re old or infirm – though even in hot countries like India, far more people die from cold weather than warm.
Most people can tolerate and work in seriously hot and humid conditions for an extended period, providing you have a few months of gradual buildup to get used to it, and providing you stay well hydrated.
I know this from personal experience. In my late teens I worked in a poorly ventilated factory with a tin roof. In Summer in Melbourne, the shop floor temperature sometimes exceeded 130F. Due to the leaky hydraulic presses, and vast amounts of steam released by cooking rubber and plastic, there were always big clouds of steam floating around the shop floor and condensing on anything cold, like cans of soft drink.
I don’t know what the web bulb temperature in that factory was, but I’m guessing that according to climate alarmists we should all have been dead – except we weren’t dead. Everyone was fine. And the rest of the workers weren’t all teenagers. At the stations next to me were a bunch of elderly chain smoking East Europeans, a bit further on was a smoking hot pregnant Samoan woman, and the rest were an eclectic mix of people of all ages.
Management did get a little worried sometimes, on really hot days they toured the factory floor, bringing us rehydration fluid drinks every 5 minutes, which I thought was nice. We certainly needed them.
One advantage of working in such extreme conditions, when I walked outside into 110F heat after work, it was like a blast of cold air. I felt cool and comfortable – no distress whatsoever from outside heatwave temperatures.
So when I read reports of what a dire threat to health 110F is, written by scientists or journalists who spend most of their time in air conditioned offices, let’s say I find such claims unconvincing. And I’m guessing most people who have ever worked in a factory or bakery feel the same.
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I’d like to see where that thermometer is located. In my location, maximum temperatures are often higher during the summer months. I’ll leave the city from work and my car’s thermometer will drop 11 degrees. Because of this phenomenon, even average Junes, Julys, Augusts, and Septembers are warmer than average.
Here are some pictures of the Concrete Jungle that is Thanh Hoa
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x3136f7fe237e2277%3A0xa13832367bfc213a!3m1!7e140!7smaps_sv.tactile_lite_mobile!15sCgIgAQ&viewerState=ga&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipNzJHxO6FXSp7qLEBgpeTuX6wcjkBYGzO2DnLS2
This is the location of the only meteorological station I could find in the city
https://www.google.com/maps/place/XJ8R%2BWXG+Meteorological+Station+Of+Yen+Dinh+District,+%C4%90%E1%BB%8Bnh+T%C6%B0%E1%BB%9Dng,+Y%C3%AAn+%C4%90%E1%BB%8Bnh,+Thanh+Ho%C3%A1,+Vietnam/@19.9673149,105.642455,19z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x3136f3021717a027:0x6a113aeba131c445!8m2!3d19.9673149!4d105.642455!16s%2Fg%2F1pzqk_gj0
Unfortunately the station I found is somewhat N/W of the city
When did temperature observations start?
It was hot in Vietnam in the mid- 60s – early 70s.
But nobody there was worrying about what the thermometers were reading.
I operated the cookroom of a tomato cannery, and was fairly often working on top of the continuous can cookers, which were 250 F or so. There was decent ventilation, but it was quite warm.
It was more the actions to avoid dehydration, like the rule that if you have not peed in the last hour, you are in danger.
For a change, the Daily Mail, a British tabloid, calls anything over 20C a heat wave. Which says quite a lot about English weather.
It was a guarantee that the BBC and the Guardian, among other alarmist media outlets, would jump on any climate anomaly that occurs. I’m just waiting for the CBC to start telling Canadians and others that the current wildfire outbreak in Alberta is again positive evidence of climate change. Except to see how seriously both the Canadian government and consumers are taking the matter consider the following. The former has missed all eight of its emissions reduction plans over the past 35 years, and during that time the emissions have actually risen 15%. Meanwhile polls show that consumers feel it’s up to governments, businesses and industries to take any initiatives on the climate issue because they, the consumers, have few intentions of making any big sacrifices to combat the problem, and that’s if one even exists.
They have been screaming climate change for days. You must not be watching, like most.
Meanwhile at my lake in southern Saskatchewan April 27 2022 was the first ice free day last year
This year there was still 18” of ice and we had flooding from massive snow melt.
The BBC news already has blamed climate change for the fires in Canada.
Record breaking cold in the western US yet again this winter OTOH of course was just weather. Ditto record-breaking cold in Antarctica for six months in 2021.
Yes, but all they focused on was the warmth in the East. We had our ninth coldest March on record and despite that, crickets from the media. But in the summer, they’re so quick to point out the heat wave and tie to climate change. Their propaganda efforts are obvious.
A significant part of World War II and all of the Vietnam war were fought in tropical areas where the temperature was above 100F for long periods of time, and we survived the heat just fine…I can personally attest to that fact having spent just over a year living in those conditions during the Vietnam War. In fact, I much preferred the hot dry days to the cold monsoon rains and winds by far.
Hot and humid!
And then the cold monsoon comes. It’s surprising how cold 50 degrees can feel. You don’t think about it in our climate-controlled world (speaking here of air conditioning and home heaters).
I live in Arizona we finally have warmed up some. It dropped down to high in the 70s a few days ago and I felt very cold. It surprising how fast your body adapts. Can’t wait for more normal summer temperatures bring on the normal 107 please.
Given the modern history of the region it is impossible to be definitive about the climate trends.
According to GISS what data there is available for Thanh Hoa shows no trend between ~1900 and ~2015 then an abrupt jump from 2016 so the extreme recorded is probably due to some factor other than AGW, otherwise how to explain the earlier record (such as it is).
“we call temperatures above 100 a warm summer day”
But this was 111.2°F, which is hot in most places, especially humid ones like Thanh Hoa. Its previous all-time max was 42°C. 2°C is a big jump.
Change of thermometer ?
New building 2m away ?
Car exhaust or newly paved carpark ?
If you don’t know, then the measurement is meaningless.
Your task is to show us where this temperature was measured…
Now and in 2010.
We are waiting. !
hint:
” Thanh Hoa became one of the most populous cities in North Central Coast after expanding in 2012″
“Thanh Hoa is a new developing city although its central position was established centuries before. Nowadays, provincial administrators are trying to build and gentrify the city so that its important role for the whole province “
“2°C is a big jump.”
Looks like its FAKE !
Past Weather in Thanh Hóa, Vietnam — Yesterday or Further Back (timeanddate.com)
Weather.
Did I just read that?
Not showing on this link
Thanh Hóa, Vietnam Weather Conditions | Weather Underground (wunderground.com)
or this link
Past Weather in Thanh Hóa, Vietnam — Yesterday or Further Back (timeanddate.com)
The terrain is most dry just before the wet season, naturally.
Dry season runs something like December-May, before the subsequent monsoon.
As the dry-season drying gets progressively more dry, temperatures creep up.
Now the trouble is putting 2 + 2 together. Decades of shady land and water management makes for more easily parched terrain.
By the month of May, the unnaturally-parched dryness makes for increasingly toasty temps.
The BBC is really good at the vague ‘be afraid’ headline (wow a whole country, but they try to be helpful and narrow down to a province,lol). Would be interested in the specific location since Timeanddate website shows a max temp over the last few days of only 97F in the city of Thanh Hoa.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/vietnam/thanh-ha-a/historic
The BBC is also very good at not giving any information on when and precisely where this temperature was recorded. Meaning you can’t check for yourself whether it was one day, a peak in a month of hot days. Nor can you check against other neighbouring weather stations.
I’ll do my usual complaint about this incomplete report. I’ll get my usual response experts from XYZ said it was true but they’ll make a note of my complaint. I’ll appeal on Nullius in verba and you still haven’t told me when and where because you don’t know, they’ll say I’m still wrong.
Not being a Paul Holmewood I’ll give up at that point rather than go to the next level.
Years ago when safety wasn’t as important as it is today, the military became curious how long a human could withstand very high temperatures. They build an oven large enough to hold a human and put a man in it with a sheet of cookies. The cookies cooked while the man drank large quantities of water. After a short while they took the man out and the only lasting effect was that his skin acquired a red tint. I don’t recommend you try this experiment at home but it proves that humans can be pretty adaptable.
How were the cookies?
Warm records are climate change. Cold records are weather.
The world has been warming since the Little Ice Age end. Imagine how many records we’d see if we had daily records around the world since 1800.
But rational presentation of climate change doesn’t help the Climate Emergency data. So we don’t see it and won’t see it. That’s too much to ask in a world where Greta is a climate expert.
only an organized political program can reverse the alarmists hold on public policy. Time is not our friend.
There’s the old saying about how those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. And then there are those who do not know history who end up sounding like fools when they spout such alarmist drivel.
I’d love to know how they think that life on earth survived for so many millions of years where global temps were higher, and often much higher, than they are today. 111F likely would have been far more common in many more locations in the Jurassic. Past worlds where ice was rarely seen, and most of the dinosaurs – and our mammal ancestors – didn’t know what snow was. How did they avoid dropping like flies in the hot, humid primeval jungles? Or frying alive in broiling, sand-swept deserts?
Science tells us that dinosaurs were closely related to both birds and crocodiles, and therefore physiologically they would have had similar adaptions to cope with ambient temperatures. And of course, both birds and crocodiles (and mammals) are still around today, their ancestors having lived thru some of the hottest periods on this planet. And not just lived, they thrived!
This is not unlike the polar bear thing – claiming the bears will die if temps get any warmer. Which is of course bunkum, since polar bears are still with us. The species having survived various much warmer spells during the last quarter of a million years of their existence.
BATTLING UNDER TORRID SUN
HANOI, Indo-China (A.P.): Despite a torrid heat wave up to 120
degrees daily, the Communist-led Vietminh are stepping up
their attacks against French Union posts
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169472818?searchTerm=heat%20wave%20indo-china
August 1952
So much for ”modern records”! Someone is lying and I don’t think it was a paper in 1952 somehow. (120F = 48.8)
So, nothing unprecedented here.
Climate alarmists are always making mountains out of mole hills. That’s because all they have to work with are mole hills.
The only thing this BBC article demonstrates is that any suggestion that the BBC exhibited any form of intelligence ended some time ago.
Weird how the Roman and Medieval warm periods are mere local phenomena that are no evidence of a warmer climate in past periods, but just one single hot day in Vietnam is full confirmation of the most extreme climate models.
The report on the BBC also mentions
Dhaka since the 1960s
Population gone from <1million to >23million in that time UHI?
Spain record temperature 38.8C
Forecast hype on BBC before event in excess of 40C
My wife and I worked outside in 42°C heat in Chennai for several days training Indian fumigators to fumigate containers to Australian required standards.
Yes it was hot, and yes we were knackered by nightfall as we were not used to it, but we kept well hydrated and wore light clothes and hats and showed the Indians that we could keep pace with them!
This is what wikipedia says about Thanh Hóa
The hot season: Beginning in late spring to mid-autumn (April to mid-November), weather is extreme heat with sunny and sometime Foehn wind. The highest temperature may reach over 40 °C or 104 °F. In this period, flood and drought occur frequently.
and
Foehn wind: Blowing from Bengal passing on Laos to North Central CoastVietnam. Thus, it’s called “Gió Lào” in Vietnamese referred to the wind from Laos direction. The wind occurs in summer, normally July or August and causes the hottest atmosphere in a year.
Was there a Foehn Wind that day?
Good information. Thanks.
From Google Maps, Thanh Hoa is close to the coast (with the sea to the east), and a wind blowing from Laos would blow from the west. This would be a down-sloping wind, which tends to compress and heat up the air, leading to sunny and hot conditions. Thanh Hoa is about 20 degrees north latitude, meaning that in May, the sun would be near the zenith at solar noon, with maximum solar heating in clear weather.
However, at 20 degrees north latitude, this is also within the range of prevailing trade winds, which blow out of the northeast, which would bring in monsoonal moisture off the sea in late spring and summer. Northern Vietnam needs to just wait until a local anticyclone moves away, and the monsoons will kick in with cooler and wetter weather.
Foehn winds, or down-sloping winds from mountains to the lowlands, occur in many places in the world, usually bringing sunny, dry, and relatively warm weather for several days. One such area is the city of Toulouse in southwestern France (about 43 degrees north latitude), in a plain just north of the Pyrenees mountains between France and Spain. If a storm is approaching from the west over the Atlantic, southerly winds ahead of the storm blow down from the Pyrenees into the Toulouse area, with moisture raining out over the mountains, bringing sunny, dry, and unusually warm weather to Toulouse, where temperatures can reach 75 F (24 C) even in winter, and over 104 F (40 C) in summer. Of course, this doesn’t last long, as after the storm center passes over land, the winds shift from the west or northwest, bringing cooler, rainy weather to Toulouse, and snow to the Pyrenees.
“Foehn winds, or down-sloping winds from mountains to the lowlands, occur in many places in the world, usually bringing sunny, dry, and relatively warm weather for several days.”
Yes, and every time this results in high temperatures, the Climate Alarmists attribute the temperature increase to CO2 rather than its real cause, which is a Foehn wind. Just like they did here.
Hammer, Meet nail:“In Australia and I’m sure in parts of the USA, we call temperatures above 100 a warm summer day.
Exactly – it is what you are used and acclimatised to that is important.
i.e. How you live & work and not least, how you build, arrange and organise your infrastructure.
Nail #2:“But this hasn’t stopped the BBC from trying to frighten their audience with a little warm weather.
=Precisely where the BBC is so full of themselves, self-importance and BS
i.e Vietnam is not The UK and it will never ever be
What they’re doing there is unspeakably wrong and bad
missed adding the picture but many of you have seen it already.
What you see here is where the heat was recorded, at near or in a very large city surrounded by rapidly eroding farmland
(= All the muck in the river and washing out to sea. That ‘muck’ is actually the physical and mental health of all the people critters and animals that live there. Watch for it in a river near you next time it rains)
Yet the image the BBC show, if you visit their link, is of a rural idyll farmer lugging a bale of hay
This thing is sooooo bad – rotten to the core.
Thanh Hoa is at the same latitude as the centre of the Sahara. I’m shocked to learn that it gets hot there.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Thanh+H%C3%B3a,+Thanh+Hoa,+Vietnam/@23.5772389,65.599398,3.5z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x3136f7fe237e2277:0xa13832367bfc213a!8m2!3d19.806692!4d105.7851816!16zL20vMDdtMjBt?authuser=0
I live in Hanoi which is just north of Thanh Hoa Province. The temperature here never exceeded 105F on the day it was supposed to be 111F in Thanh Hoa. I am more than a little concerned about how that measurement occurred. Northern Vietnam is a concrete jungle in the urban areas. Concrete is abundant and used for everything. Thermometers in Hanoi we’re registering 130F temperatures on the sun baked concrete roads and people were cooking eggs on them as a joke. I suspect the registering thermometer may have been too close to some overheated concrete. BTY- its been cool and rainy in all of northern Vietnam since the day 111F supposed occurred. Highs in the 70s and 80s the last two days. Guessing the media won’t be reporting on unseasonably cool weather in Vietnam.
“Guessing the media won’t be reporting on unseasonably cool weather in Vietnam.”
I’ll bet you are correct. We won’t be hearing anything about cool weather from the climate alarmists. Thanks for the on-the-scene reporting.
I remember approaching Nam from the South China sea. The surface was as smooth as a mirror with only ripples visible in the wake of thousands of sea snakes. About 15 miles out, well out of site of land, we began to smell it.
I was on a ship designed for a crew of 40, with another 119 men. We slept on ‘4 high’ racks. My bunk, the topmost, had a steam pipe wrapped in asbestos running its full length. Berthing area was always 120F plus with AC running.
The global warming was enough to make me sleep on deck most of the time. It was only 100 there.