Reuters:  How to Lie with Facts

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen —  25 July 2022

Reuters, the international news agency, has somehow involved itself into the murky waters of Fact Checking – and worse yet, apparently Facebook accepts whatever Reuters says without inspection or question.

William Briggs, who is a statistician and an anti-Expertism expert, used an example lately, of a Facebook using a Reuters  Fact Check of one of the oft-repeated  visuals of Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour – photos 100 years apart and yet showing no apparent alarming sea level rise.  

Facebook assures us that the little quip-and-photo thing is FALSE – after all, it has been “Checked by independent fact-checkers”.  Digging in a little we find that the fact-check (and I have resisted using scare quotes though they would be appropriate) has been supplied not by some real fact-checking organization, but by Reuters News Service and is found on the ‘Net in a October 25, 2021 article titled “Fact Check-Side-by-side comparison of two photographs cannot accurately determine sea level change”. 

Let’s do a little Fact Checking of our own:

1.  “Checked by independent fact-checkers”  The fact-check is done by Reuters Fact Check.  Reuters is a partner in the Covering Climate Now propaganda cabal (and I do not use those words lightly, I assure you.)  So the first lie we find is that Reuters Fact Check is labelled as “independent fact-checkers” when in fact they are part of a large news organization which has a openly declared and publicly admitted bias – they are “all-in” for the climate emergency story line.  Reuters, amusingly enough, I guess to bolster their fact-check as independent, refers to another article from the wildly biased Climate Feedback Group.

2.  Reuters boldly states: “It is not possible to accurately measure sea level rise just by looking at two images of the same location at different periods of time.”  This is trivially true (self-evident by definition).  Reuters fails to note that no one had suggested that the photos measure sea level rise.  Rather, of course, it seems obvious that the Facebook bit was simply meant to show that there had not been any large or dangerous sea level rise at Sydney Harbour over the last 140 years – if there had been, it would be visible.    That is also true, though Reuters goes the long-way around before they admit it.

“Between 1886 and 2010, sea-level rise averaged at 0.65 mm per year, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).”  [ That amounts to:  3.17 inches (80.0 mm or 8 cm). ]

3. Reuters, instead of just showing the NOAA or PSMSL graph of sea level rise at Fort Denison, blathers on with quotes from experts (I have never heard of any of them) about global sea level rise, starting with Global Sea Level Rise from satellites:

Prof Griggs said.: “This rate has averaged 3.42 mm/yr. but over the past decade or so has increased to 4.77mm/yr. over the past 10 years.”

and then proceeds to give not one, not two, but five different figures for sea level rise at Fort Denison – none of which could ever be considered alarming:  in mm/year: 0.93, 0.58, 0.86, and finally 0.65.

Here is the graph for Sydney 2 created from official  PSMSL data:

Another version of the above:

In the first scatter graph above, the variability almost overwhelms the long-term record, So I have included the decadal averages for the first and last ten-year periods of the record.  The month-to-month variability is far greater than the long-term change, which using the decadal averages, comes out to about 3.5 inches  ( 90mm) over the 107 year data set.

The NOAA graph, which blends two different records, which shows 3 inches (75mm) of Relative Sea Level Rise in 100 years:

So, we have to give Reuters two separate TRUE scores:  the  statement “photographs are not measurements” and  Relative Sea Level Rise at Fort Denison, Sydney has not been “0 cm in 140 years”  – but, rather a whopping 3.17 to 3.5 inches (80 mm or  full 8 cm).  These measurements agree with the intent of the Facebook meme  – there has not been not much discernible Sea Level Rise at Fort Denison.

4.  The back-up Fact Check suggested by Reuters:  “Photo meme of Sydney Harbour incorrectly claims no sea level rise has occurred” from Climate Feedback has one expert try to explain away the lack of dangerous sea level rise with an entirely false reference to Glacial Isostatic Adjustment:  “For Sydney, this means that the Earth is lifting up by about 0.3 mm/yr1, which could explain a part of the difference.“  Unfortunately for Climate Feedback, that too is false.  Vertical Land Movement (VLM) at Sydney, at least in the last 20 years,  is downward, not upward – thus adds to apparently sea level rise there:

 

Now, I hate to kick a man when he is down – or even an assertion once it has been kicked apart – but since VLM measurements began (looks like 2004), Sydney has been subsiding at a rate of ~ 1mm a year.  Relative Sea Level at Sydney has been rising at a long-term rate of 0.75 mm/yr (NOAA graph).  But 1 mm/yr of that has been the land sinking……which means that the height of the sea surface from the center of the Earth — Absolute or Eustatic Sea Level — has been going down by 0.25 mm/yr, not rising, at least since 2004 at Sydney, Australia

5.  So we are back at Reuters “Verdict”

False. It is not possible to accurately measure sea level rise just by comparing two photographs.

Which, of course, is true.

But their pendantic literalist Fact Check is FALSE – it gives false and misleading facts to arrive at a trivial conclusion countering a assertion which wasn’t made.

Bottom Line:

Reuters Fact Checks are not reliable for determining the veracity of information on topics as controversial as Climate Change.  They are proudly biased and use biased secondary sources without any check of the facts offered by them.

Reuters Fact Check does not check the premise or proposal, but makes up its own version of the fact they wish to check.

In this case, they should have checked:  “Has there been substantial, discernible, consequential or dangerous Relative Sea Level Rise  in Sydney Harbour, and if so, what are the causes?” Or even “If not 0 cm in 140 years, how much sea level rise at Fort Denison?” They would have found:  RMSL rise at Sydney has been a barely discernible ~ 3.5 inches over the length of the tide gauge record – an amount not discernible in simple photographs  or through personal experience at the site measured.  The downward Vertical Land Movement accounts for more than 100% of the RSL rise, at least since 2004.  (Tide Gauge up 0.75/mm year, VLM  downward – 1.0 mm year).  Short Form:  The sea isn’t rising, the land is sinking.

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Author’s Comment:

While this canard about Fort Denison – “0 cm of SLR in 140 years” – is not literally true, it is not pragmatically false at all – but rather true in all practical senses.  Tidal Range at Fort Denison is about 1.5 meters, low to high tide, with variability between tides being on the 4 cm range.  No one has noticed, or could have noticed, the 8 cm change over more than a century.

The important thing missed by all – not than any analysis was done by the fake fact checkers – was that the downward VLM exceeds upward Relative Sea Level Rise.

Those who write on the skeptical side of the climate change divide have to be careful not to repeat these types of silly memes that are not strictly true – it works against the cause of spreading the truth.

Thanks for reading here.

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John Garrett
July 24, 2022 6:06 pm

Kip,
I don’t know how you put up with all this crap (it really is like Whack-A-Mole)— but I’m immensely glad that you do.

Scissor
Reply to  John Garrett
July 24, 2022 6:22 pm

I heard that when Al Gore farts a polar bear cub dies. Waiting for the fact check to know for sure.

Ron Long
Reply to  Scissor
July 24, 2022 6:46 pm

Scissor, I just checked and it’s true.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 6:23 am

And who knows how many other creatures less robust than a polar bear bite the dust after an all-you-can-eat rib fest at the Gore mansion(s)

william Johnston
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 7:14 am

Source, please.

Dave Fair
Reply to  william Johnston
July 25, 2022 8:20 am

Source? Ron’s neither regions. He used the same technique used in all of CliSciFi.

Drake
Reply to  william Johnston
July 25, 2022 11:17 am

Why “Independent Fact Checkers” of course!!

Reply to  william Johnston
July 25, 2022 12:05 pm

BBQ!!! Chili source good, too!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 8:33 pm

Can’t possibly be true. Otherwise there would be NO life left on Earth.

BobM
Reply to  Scissor
July 24, 2022 8:06 pm

I heard that Al Gore said something on the order of “it is our democracy holding up the US response to climate change”, and that has to change, or something like that. If he really meant that, it sure says something about him, no? Scary that he was almost President.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  BobM
July 25, 2022 4:27 am

Very scary.

MarkW
Reply to  BobM
July 25, 2022 8:34 am

Your average socialist would be quite favorable towards a dictatorship, so long as the dictator was a fellow communist.

George
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2022 8:45 am

Every one of these baby socialists presume that he, she, it will be among the chosen elite and impose mandates on everybody else. When reality sets in, it’ll be too late. “Life is tough! It’s even tougher when you’re stupid!” –John Wayne

Coeur de Lion
Reply to  George
July 25, 2022 9:52 am

When the regime change occurs it’s the noisy activists who get swept into the three ton truck by the soldiers and shipped off behind barbed wire somewhere remote without decent lavatories.

MarkW
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 25, 2022 11:16 am

When you are getting set to run a country, who do you get rid of first?
Those who work hard and for the most part ignore the government, or those who’s only skill set is whining, complaining, and betraying the rest of the country?

Colin
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 25, 2022 4:34 pm

Or disappeared

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Martin Niemöller

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Colin
Reply to  George
July 25, 2022 4:33 pm

They will get eaten by their own side

Colin
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2022 4:33 pm

Look at all the “trusted” communists in Russia and China and Cuba and others that disappeared when they were no longer useful

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Scissor
July 25, 2022 4:01 am

And it stinks.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
July 25, 2022 8:22 am

If you listen to Al it doesn’t.

observa
Reply to  John Garrett
July 24, 2022 6:37 pm

Basically when we deplorables notice the movers and shakers fire-saling their Sydney Harbour waterfont properties and buying up big in the Blue Mountains we can sit up and take notice of their blatherings. That’s when any wind turbines in the vicinity will have to come down due to the noise compared to the pounding of waves and no seawater pumped hydro of course.

Old Cocky
Reply to  observa
July 24, 2022 8:37 pm

They did after the Japanese mini-sub attack during WWII

Tom Halla
July 24, 2022 6:11 pm

It is a matter of captioning. “Sea level rise in Sydney is negligible” is literally true, and the intent of the meme. No seal level rise is false, but the rise is not visible.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 25, 2022 1:26 am

Tom, we may actually have a “seal level” rise?
Counting their real numbers is a little difficult.

MarkW
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 8:36 am

Increased seal populations are drawing Great White sharks to many New England beaches.

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 10:07 am

Kip – As graphically displayed in this recent video, captured by a boater in South Puget Sound (now dubbed the ‘Salish Sea’), Orcas prowling beached seal food/prey. Sorry about the obligatory advert….

Video captures orcas and seals near McNeil Island – KIRO 7 News Seattle

Regards,

MCR

lee
July 24, 2022 6:27 pm

The next fact check? The rope ladder on the side of the ship shows sea level rise in real time. 😉

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Chris Hanley
July 24, 2022 6:32 pm

Those who write on the skeptical side of the climate change divide have to be careful not to repeat these types of silly memes that are not strictly true – it works against the cause of spreading the truth.

Well said, I sometimes wonder if such ‘memes’ are spread by spokespersons from the climate-industrial complex to damage the reputation of realists i.e. [non-racist] ‘black propaganda’: “a form of propaganda intended to create the impression that it was created by those it is supposed to discredit” (Wiki).

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Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 25, 2022 6:45 am

I disagree. “Memes” are intended to be pithy and witty while pointing out an underlying truth, not necessarily literally factual. These picture memes are, in my view, a direct response to the ridiculous scare-mongering photoshops presented by the other side depicting national monuments and cities under water “look what we’re doing to the planet!!!1111!!111”.

To the younger generation with the attention span of your average TseTse fly, memes like this will do more to sway opinion than a million uninteresting, boring, strictly factual statements. They directly point out that those doom saying images are exactly what they are: fake and sensationalist. That’s the point.

If there’s damage being done to the skeptic argument here, it isn’t being done by the memes; the damage is being done by the false “fact checks” and big tech companies working so hard to suppress any wrongthink which is what this post rightfully was focused on.

MarkW
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 8:38 am

As I’ve been saying

The solution to bad science is good science, not more bad science.

mkelly
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 25, 2022 6:48 am

I was not aware that “memes” were supposed to be strictly true when used. I thought they were to convey a simple message. Or a satirical point. Or just to make you laugh.

The fort meme worked because knowing Reuters spent time and money fact checking something so trivial makes me laugh.

Johne Morton
July 24, 2022 6:43 pm

The Left invents reality by fiat. They just say something is true, and it’s true, no argument allowed. They are also known to change the English language in real time, so that before they even finish a sentence, the words used at the beginning have already lost their meanings by the end (for example, Pete Butegieg and his recent denial of saying pain at the pump is helping electric vehicle users immediately after he said exactly that…).

Stevek
Reply to  Johne Morton
July 24, 2022 8:07 pm

Recently they have been trying to change definition of word recession so they can say we won’t be in one.

Duker
Reply to  Stevek
July 24, 2022 11:49 pm

A recession with 3.5% unemployment?

Bob boder
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 2:51 am

Another canard, look at total number of people employed and the true picture emerges. Pay people to stay home and they do just that.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bob boder
July 25, 2022 4:31 am

I heard the other day that during the pandemic the democrats took out a provision in the welfare law requiring welfare recipients to go look for work in order to stay eligible for welfare payments.

Maybe that’s why so many people are sitting at home not working. They get paid to do so.

Bob boder
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 25, 2022 3:22 pm

They can also get a job and resign and go back on the dole

HotScot
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 3:04 am

I found one folks…..Over here!

Someone who actually believes official government unemployment figures.

Rare as Rocking Horse shit, I know, so it’s a bit of a find. No idea of the rarity value, liable to be a lot at public auction as Joe Biden is sure to bid high for him.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
July 25, 2022 8:43 am

He only believes the numbers when a left wing Democrat is in office.

Bob boder
Reply to  HotScot
July 25, 2022 3:24 pm

Actually the numbers are probably not far off, but they only include people looking for work. Employers can’t find anyone to higher. They are home collecting.

Derg
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 4:09 am

Why not?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 4:52 am

You have to look at the unemployment rate in conjunction with the labor force participation rate (lfpr). Attached is a graph showing the lfpr since 2002.

The lfpr is atrocious today. It has recovered a little since Biden took office but it is not nearly as high as it has been even in the recent past. Far too many people are not in the labor force for the unemployment rate to be meaningful.

If we were at the 66% lfpr rate that we have seen traditionally the unemployment rate would be around 13%. *THAT* is how bad the economy actually is today.

Climate believer
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 5:21 am

… but the GDP growth rate is at -1.6… that’s probably not a good sign is it?

TonyG
Reply to  Climate believer
July 25, 2022 12:31 pm

Given that a recession is defined as 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth, I would say we’re there regardless of the unemployment rate.

Mr.
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 7:22 am

Governments soaking up unproductive labor.

MarkW
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 8:44 am

You are talking about the Democrat base.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 8:41 am

If you think that the unemployment rate truly reflects the state of the economy, then you know absolutely nothing about economics.

Only a fraction of those who want work, are included in the unemployment numbers.

DonM
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 10:27 am

just as the defn of ‘recession’ changes, the defn of ‘unemployment’ changes.

Rah
Reply to  DonM
July 25, 2022 12:39 pm

Just call it Bidenpression.

Drake
Reply to  Duker
July 25, 2022 11:29 am

Labor participation rate is over 1% below the pre pandemic level.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm

Note that Democrat policies during the Obama years rapidly reduced the rate, which stabilized then increased during the TRUMP! pre pandemic years.

Now Democrat policies are again reducing the rate.

BTW, @sshat, the unemployment rate is based on how many people are applying for unemployment or seeking a job.

And as others have responded to you, Democrat policies are paying “homeless” and other people not to work, so they are not considered part of the employment pool.

AND the unemployment rate stayed low even though there were over 300,000 less employed people.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

Bob boder
Reply to  Drake
July 25, 2022 3:26 pm

Correct

July 24, 2022 7:11 pm

Excellent article and graphics.
After the Hansen articles on strings and butterflies,
I was expecting an article on New Age music,
but then a science article showed up.
The fort photographs are not measurements
but they help confirm tide gauge measurements.

Gerard Flood
July 24, 2022 7:22 pm

How much of the globe’s ocean surfaces is the Fort Denison measuring station an approximate ‘proxy’ for? Probably no other such station on the globe exceeds Ft Denison’s ‘representative’ ambit?

Reply to  Gerard Flood
July 25, 2022 4:35 am

There are NOAA tide gauges all around the world that tell the same story

Rah
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 9:58 am

Unless it is tied in with GPS. Then VLM can be factored in.

Drake
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 12:01 pm

Kip,

Years ago when I first started looking into AGW as it was called then, before I first found WUWT, I read a post that brought reality to the forefront. The gentleman mentioned 3 things.

1) The hokey stick didn’t show the MWP or the LIA so must be false.
2) If CO2 did what is claimed, measurement of absolute 0 as measured over 100 years ago done at the same place under the same method should give a different reading due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.
3) If the sea level was rising so fast the length of a sidereal day would be getting longer due to water moving towards at the equator.

#1 was obvious to me so the basis of the AGW religion was provably false.

#2 Does not appear to have been done.

#3 hard to research, for me anyway.

What say you?

Rah
Reply to  Gerard Flood
July 25, 2022 5:36 am

Check out the battery tide at NYC.

Jeff L
July 24, 2022 8:11 pm

“Those who write on the skeptical side of the climate change divide have to be careful not to repeat these types of silly memes that are not strictly true – it works against the cause of spreading the truth.”

Amen, my brother! Words to live by for a true scientist

Duker
Reply to  Jeff L
July 24, 2022 11:51 pm

The other side constantly replaces weather with the term climate

Keith Woollard
July 24, 2022 8:16 pm

All you need to do to get around the “fact” checkers is use a slightly different meme. I wonder why they didn’t fact check this one

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H.R.
Reply to  Keith Woollard
July 25, 2022 5:42 am

It would still get quashed by fact checkers because the word ‘scary’ is false. It’s not scary at all.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Keith Woollard
July 25, 2022 8:37 am

I love the changing skyline between the dates. If it keeps up Sydney Harbor will tip over, the same as for Guam. Fact check: Democratic Party U.S. House Representative Hank Johnson says its true so it must be.

Go Home
July 24, 2022 8:17 pm

Wouldn’t high and low tides make the biggest difference between two pictures.

LdB
Reply to  Go Home
July 24, 2022 9:22 pm

Obviously unless the whole structure is floating 🙂

John Hultquist
Reply to  LdB
July 24, 2022 9:55 pm

A group could sprint back and forth, side to side. If it is floating it should tilt.
Bottle is empty. I’m going to bed!

H.R.
Reply to  John Hultquist
July 25, 2022 5:43 am

That’s Guam you’re thinking of John. 😉

Dave Fair
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 8:39 am

That’s because the naval ships are packed full of semen.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Go Home
July 24, 2022 9:49 pm

Yes Go Home you’re absolutely right. Photos like these are pretty meaningless if you don’t know if one was done at high tide and the other at low. As Kip notes there’s about a 1.5m tidal range at Fort Denison.

rah
July 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Tony has been on the story of sea level in Sydney for quite some time.
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Terrifying Sea Level Rise In Sydney Harbor | Real Climate Science

Rah
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 10:06 am

I pay no attention to “fact checkers”. The very term implies bias to me. It has been quite evident to me for a long time their claims of objectivity are merely a blind for their deceit.

Stanley
July 24, 2022 8:38 pm

At the recent (July) Pacific Forum, a lot of air was given to rising sea levels caused by, you guessed it, climate change caused by bad humans burning fossil fuels and its solution being $$$$ provided by the rich foreigners and their governments. The accompanying foreign media took the bait, drank the kool-aid and reported on the situation at Togoru where “sea level rise” has inundated the settlement and graveyard. The current locals were interviewed and blamed the situation on “climate change”. The fact that Fiji has a volcanic / tectonic origin was ignored by the media as well as the fact that sea level rise has not affected all of the Fiji coast, which would be expected if there was global sea level rise.

Interestingly, in 2004 on wwf.panda.org, village patriarch Kini Dunn (then in his eighties) said this: “When I was a young man, the village graves were a long way inland. We thought of ourselves as living ‘on the coast’ then. Now the house where I was born is a couple of hundred metres out to sea. Things began to change after the big earthquake in 1953. The coastline eroded much faster and the sea washed away our land.”

The WWF scientist  Dr Tony Weir, Senior Research Consultant and postgraduate teacher at the Pacific Centre for Environment and Sustainable Development at the University of the South Pacific, Fiji, wrote this, totally ignoring tectonic effects such as fault caused displacements and tectonic subsidence as witnessed by Mr Dunn:

“Coastal erosion continues to occur in many parts of Fiji. There are many contributing causes, including natural currents, storm surges (especially from cyclones), and removal of mangroves (which tend to anchor the coast and beach). The slow rise in sea level due to climate change will make these problems worse.

A horizontal movement of 200 meters is larger than usual. But Togoru is in the floodplain of the Navua river, which is a flat, low-lying area, with an extensive mudflat offshore. Thus a small vertical change in sea level can make a large horizontal change.

Although some research is under way to assess the extent of coast-line movement, using comparisons of old aerial photos with new satellite images, there is not yet a systematic mapping of coastal change in Fiji. But Kini’s observations are somewhat consistent with scientific reports about climate impacts at other particular sites in Fiji.”

Just more lies.

Mr.
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 7:32 am

Coastal mudflats and sandbanks are totally inappropriate places to conclude anything about slr, because they’re constantly in flux.

Stanley
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 26, 2022 2:03 am

It’s extreme but the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake involved an estimated 1,600 km fault surface slippage of about 15 m along the subduction zone where the Indian Plate slides under the over-riding Burma Plate. A similar event along the San Andreas Fault might induce some relative “sea level rise” over western USA.

spangled drongo
July 24, 2022 9:53 pm

Thanks Kip, for such good instruction.
I’ve provided this before but when you look at this BoM website on Fort Denison, the first recorded mean sea level was done in May 1914 showing a MSL of 1.111m and the latest one in March 2022 is 7mm higher at 1.118m:

http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70000/IDO70000_60370_SLD.shtml

You’ll notice that the previous one in Feb 2022 was actually 99mm LOWER than May 1914, as were many of the recent monthly MSLs.
So according to these MSLs, which is the best way to measure sea levels, there has been nothing happening or changing.
When we allow for the land actually sinking there then there is obviously a sinking Pacific Ocean which is supported by the increasing coral atoll areas.

yarpos
July 24, 2022 10:11 pm

Fort Denison is clearly in the cross hairs for adjustments, normalization and replacement of faulty measuring devices.

Waza
July 24, 2022 10:19 pm

In most locations Mean Sea Level MSL and Highest Astronomical Tide HAT do not really cause any problem.
It is the Storm Tide that actually causes the highest levels and subsequent damage.
You need to have an offshore low pressure system, onshore wind, high inland rainfall ( large river discharge) to all work in sync with the high tide to create the highest water level and thus damage.
So alarmists predictions of more or less storms must be taken into account.

Rah
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 10:12 am

What people forget is that in many places government has allowed development on coastal flood plains that should never have been built upon.

Then when a hundred year storm or hurricane comes the government screams climate change.

Rah
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 26, 2022 12:48 am

Someday Tampa and some of its suburban communities are going to pay a terrible price for that practice. I’m sure there are many others.

Brad
July 24, 2022 10:58 pm

Yeah, I can see 3mm/yr, 🤣🤣

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paul courtney
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 26, 2022 10:52 am

Mr. Hansen: With Brandon Admin inflation, it now takes two half dollars to get to 3mm.

Ken Irwin
July 24, 2022 11:43 pm

“It is not possible to accurately measure sea level rise just by comparing two photographs.”

I recall reading on this site that climate change can be discerned in old photographs of the tour de France as well as in the changes in menu items.

So the science of taking accurate data observations from photographs must be robust ?

Harupspicists and Necromancers every last one of them.

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Ireneusz Palmowski
July 25, 2022 12:09 am

La Nia is almost certain as heat from the western Pacific disappears and the Humboldt Current remains cold.comment imagecomment image

Peta of Newark
July 25, 2022 2:37 am

I was on a little explore over the weekend and, thanks to fascination with water, found myself on the banks and bridges over 2 very large Fenland drains – The River Nene and River Great Ouse. Both happened to be flowing out to sea at the time.
(They are very carefully managed = why I call them ‘drains’ and not ‘rivers’

Despite our recent heatwave and that only 2mm of rain has fallen on The Fen this month, both of them were running a flow of brown muddy water.
So brown and muddy that A Great White might have been 2″ below the surface and you’d have never known..
And that is why sea level is rising, we are filiing it with mud, silt and farmland soil.
Doubly hertbreaking as that Fenland soil is some of The Most Fertile Dirt anywhere on this Earth

But on top of that pretty basic Archimedes Science, is that the profile of the beach (as it disappears underwater and goes out to sea) is being changed by all that mud, silt, soil and dirt.

My thinking uses 2 scenarios:

  1. A very steeply sloping beach
  2. A shallow gently sloping beach

1/ On the steep beach, when the tide comes in it will behave in parts of the world visited by surf-boarders.
That is, the tide will ‘break’
It will hit what is effectively a solid wall, break itself up and disperse the energy it was bring ashore in turbulence, violent waves and high-speed (rip) currents
Thus it won’t get far up the inland part of the beach.

(Akin to the ‘stall’ process in aircraft – beyond a certain angle of attack of the wings, the airflow ‘breaks’ and the plane loses lift.
Boeing will tell you all about that if I recall correctly.)

2/ With the shallow beach, ther’s nothing to cause waves, currents and turbulence – so the energy (momentum / inertia) will be conserved and it will simply roll gently up the beach.
And the more gentle sloping, the further inland it will roll.
A lot like how Tsunamis behave

And *there* is why some places see a lot of sea level rise and others not.

My testable assertion is that the ‘high rising’ places will be near where large rivers are flowing out to sea and those rivers, like the Nene and the Ouse, are carrying large amounts of, what was, farmland soil
We all know the words for that.
i.e. Soil Erosion is changing the offshore profile of the beaches and when it does, affects how far inland any given tide will come, thus affecting Tide Gauges sitting there waiting for it.

OK, now go look. Am I right?

Richard Page
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 9:54 am

Nope. Given that the sediment is well mixed with water, even when it has settled to the bottom, it’s contributing a negligible amount to the overall volume of the sea; so little that it’s effect is dwarfed by even the tiny amount of thermal expansion and contraction of the water.

Sandy Seafloor
July 25, 2022 2:38 am

Relevant fact: the head of Reuters is also a higher-up in the WEF. Conflicts of interest abound in the corrupt world of climate-change-pushers.

Richard Page
Reply to  Sandy Seafloor
July 25, 2022 9:58 am

Now on the other side of the equation, I wasn’t aware that Mark Steyn had joined GB News but he hosts his own show there now, as well as guest appearances on other shows on the channel.

paul courtney
Reply to  Richard Page
July 26, 2022 11:12 am

I heartily recommend Mark Steyn’s GB News show (Fox News loss), he is the brightest porch light on the block of the world.

Sparko
July 25, 2022 6:08 am

It’s fairly easy to insert completely fake news into the cycle. Most journalists fact checking amounts to checking other newspapers to see if they’ve printed it. The intelligence agencies have been using this method to spread propaganda since forever.
Pal review at its finest.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Sparko
July 25, 2022 8:56 am

That’s how the FBI justified their operation “Crossfire Hurricane” beginning in 2016 targeting Donald Trump and people involved in his campaign. They used the technique in getting FISA approvals.

paul courtney
Reply to  Sparko
July 26, 2022 11:22 am

Sparko, Kip and David: It is surprisingly easy IF you are confident that your “journalist” will play. While it’s true that intel agencies in US have used this technique for decades, Hillary Clinton showed that you could play both ends, feed lie to intel and to the press, and use the press to justify the intel boys to “investigate”. She did have this advantage, both the press and the intel boys wanted SO MUCH to believe the lie! Oh, and Hillary was 100% confident that both groups would never push back.

Paul Massey-Reed
July 25, 2022 6:19 am

Doug Lord and Phil Watson did a study on tidal gauges in Australia and New Zealand. Doug and Phil we/are leading NSW Coastal Engineers. The found constant minor sea level rise. Phil later confirmed the same trend in North America and Europe, once you allow for the sinking or rising of the land. I trust Phil and Doug before Reuters.

See also a paper by
You, Zai-Jin; Lord, Doug and Watson, Phil. 2009: Estimation of relative mean sea level rise from Fort Denison tide gauge data [online]. In: Coasts and Ports 2009: In a Dynamic Environment. [Wellington, N.Z.]: Engineers Australia, 2009: [587]-[592].
Watson P.J and D.B Lord (2008). “Fort Denison Sea Level Rise Vulnerability Study”, a report prepared by the Coastal Unit, NSW Department of Environment and Climate Change, October.

Phil (now at Sydney University) later did studies including;
Watson PJ and Frazer A (2009), A Snapshot of Future Sea Levels: Photographing the King Tide 12 January 2009, Department of Environment, Climate Change and Water NSW, November 2009.
Watson, P.J., 2016a. Identifying the best performing time series analytics for sea-level research. In: Rojas, I. and Pomares, H. (eds.), Time Series Analysis and Forecasting: Contributions to Statistics. Cham, Switzerland: Springer International, pp. 261–278.
Watson, P.J., 2016b. How to improve estimates of real-time acceleration in the mean sea-level signal. In: Vila-Concejo, A.; Bruce, E.; Kennedy, D.M., and McCarroll, R.J. (eds.), Proceedings of the 14th International Coastal Symposium. Journal of Coastal Research, Special Issue, No. 75, pp. 780–784.
Watson, P.J., 2016c. Acceleration in USA mean sea-level? A new insight using improved tools. Journal of Coastal Research. In press. doi:10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-16-00086.1
Watson, P.J., 2017. Acceleration in European mean sea-level? A new insight using improved tools. Journal of Coastal Research, 33(1), 23–38. Coconut Creek (Florida), ISSN 0749-0208.

Last edited 14 days ago by Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 6:29 am

Hm…Do they ever bother to “fact check” the doomsayer pictures of, say, the statue of liberty half underwater? or New York buildings jutting up from the ocean?

Those meme pictures are in direct response to those doomsaying predictions. If we can expect the world’s cities to be inundated in the near future, why don’t we see obvious evidence of it yet in places where we have historical pictures to compare?

How about fact checking that assertion?

Richard Page
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 25, 2022 10:02 am

Exactly. Most people don’t need to fact check something like that because we are capable of telling fantasy from reality. For the ones that can’t, facebook and twitter are available, as is psychotherapy.

Colin
July 25, 2022 4:18 pm

facts? We don’t need no stinking facte

paul courtney
July 26, 2022 12:37 pm

Recent news in US revealed that Feds were creating a disinformation board, probably because they had a world-renowned expert on disinformation. It was a great idea, but it fell apart because the world-renowned expert was named “Ninny” and it made the Brandon Admin look ridiculous. And Joe Brandon is not a man who can be made TO LOOK RIDICULOUS!!!!
As bad as Reuters is biased, the US system is a brilliant solution- you give freedom of the press and the press serves as the disinfo board- for free!! This has worked, and will continue to work as long as somebody can set up to compete with Reuters. This may be tough to swallow in the face of the open abuse by Reuters (and the AP too) of its privileged position in our system, but it works in the long term. Last point- very few people appreciate the brilliance of getting a free disinformation attack squad, not staffed by government employees. Again, I realize that our press is so far gone, it’s hard to see, but I believe it works better than all the other methods.

andy
July 26, 2022 3:38 pm

The Lord Mayor of Sydney has declared a ”climate emergency” – perhaps Reuters could fact check the accuracy of that pronouncement

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andy
July 26, 2022 3:47 pm

Sonel shows that something odd is happening with the sea level at Sydney, so the better point for Reuters to make is that Sydney (Fort Denison) is an outlier, hardly representative of anything to do with climate change

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