Stephen Dinan of the Washington Times reported on a new peer-reviewed paper that analyzes the results of the 2020 election and found Biden received 255,000 excess votes. It has been accepted for publication by the journal Public Choice and was written by Dr. John R. Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center. The linked pdf may not match the final printed version of the paper that will appear in the journal, but it is the copy that was peer-reviewed.
Both Dinan’s article and the paper are worth reading. Unfortunately, statistical analysis doesn’t prove anything, but I found Lott’s analysis impeccable and compelling. His discussion of the problems in several states with mail-in and absentee ballots is interesting and informative. He makes the following points very clearly.
- Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin did not match signatures on the outer mail-in envelopes to the official registration records. Some states, like Pennsylvania accepted ballots that were not enclosed in outer envelopes. These acts are in violations of the laws in many states and make it impossible to verify a vote’s legitimacy.
- Lott compares votes in adjacent voting precincts, where one of the precincts is accused of voter fraud, as with Georgia’s Fulton County, and finds statistically significant evidence of abnormal mail-in and absentee ballot results. In short, Trump’s absentee ballot share in the Fulton County precincts was depressed, compared to adjoining precincts. The largest estimate of depressed Trump votes was more than Biden’s margin in Georgia.
- In Pennsylvania and other states, numerous voters trying to vote in person were told they had already voted absentee, suggesting that someone else had voted using their name. The differences found to be statistically significant in Georgia were not significant in Pennsylvania, but Pennsylvania was missing some essential data for the study, which was a problem.
- In Nevada, 42,000 people voted more than once, 1,500 dead people voted, and 19,000 did not have a Nevada residence.
- In Wisconsin 28,395 people voted without identification.
- In Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania, the rejection of improper absentee ballots in 2020 were a fraction of those rejected in 2016.
The most serious problems in the 2020 election were the procedural changes made, generally illegally, in absentee and mail-in voting. This type of voting is discouraged by the Jimmy Carter and James Baker, 2005 voting commission (Carter & Baker, 2005, pp. 46-47). The past problems with absentee voting in Europe have been much worse than in the U.S., at least prior to 2020, and as a result the practice is banned in 35 of 47 countries in Europe. In ten of the countries that allow it, the voter must show up in person and present a photo id, to pick up their absentee ballot. The remaining countries temporarily allowed voting in limited cases. Europe learned the hard way what happens when mail-in ballots are not secured, just as we did.
Lott concludes that his study underestimates the extent of voter fraud because it assumes that no voter fraud occurred with in-person voting. He also concludes that there were 142,000 to 368,000 total excess Biden votes, enough to swing the election. The statistical methods used for the study look valid to me, but as noted above, statistics are not proof. They do suggest that the election should be investigated, and the study shows that the permissive, and mostly illegal, absentee, and mail-in ballot procedures used in 2020 should never be repeated. I recommend everyone read Dinan’s article and the paper.
Works Cited
Carter, J., & Baker, J. (2005). Building Confidence in U.S. Elections. Retrieved from https://www.legislationline.org/download/id/1472/file/3b50795b2d0374cbef5c29766256.pdf
Thank you Andy!
There is not one scintilla of evidence that there is any such thing as voter fraud!
That is a great graphic… and well used sarcasm.
Mr. McGinley: Thanks for that. I never cease to be amazed how hard it is to locate scintillas when one refuses to look.
Paul: Even though you can’t find a scintilla, your comment is quite scintillating.
Right. As the Obamination had also lied, “not a smidgen”.
Especially when one REFUSES to actually LOOK at the evidence! There are, literally THOUSANDS of affidavits, produced by people who were present during all the fraudulent activities! But, that’s OK, too, and easily denied by people who were NOT present, saw nothing, and, in fact, out right REFUSED to even look!
I thank you, Andy, too!
However, you said “Unfortunately, statistical analysis doesn’t prove anything”.
Maybe, not to the Supreme Court. But it does prove much in science, technology.
In science.
BTW, circumstantial evidence is important too, though in this case our Supreme Court, the valiant defender of the Swamp and Spamp’s ways, rejected it offhand.
Yes, without so much as a passing glance! It does make one wonder, though, just WHY we even have a Supreme Court, doesn’t it?
The only thing this proves is that Trump groupies are delusional.
Don Jinda wrote:
“he only thing this proves is that Trump groupies are delusional.”
Could you articulate an actual point? What is “this” and what part of “this” has anything to do with “Trump groupies”
If you try really hard to answer, you just might learn something.
Another new alias crawls out of the woodwork.
Hi Griff!
Buddy, you’re in the wrong forum. Go back into your hole.
I personally know poll workers who were afraid to testify that there was major fraud in Pa. Hope you enjoy the new world order. FJB
Hmm. Sorry, I’m neither a Trump ‘groupie’ nor am I delusional! I highly suspect, though, that many deniers are!
The Government definitely needs an enema…
Far too irregular
It ALREADY received the enema from Joe Biden’s 2020 election campaign, good liberal Administration and the Democratic party’s boots. That massive enema of overdue justice dislodged the flotsam torpedoes of feces and swamp sludge named Donald Trump and his Democracy-Wrecking Crew.
Trump himself, as a narcissistic non-functioning sociopath scumsocket waste product of (thankfully, dead) Welfare Daddy Fred Trump, is the epitome of “irregular.”
Go ahead, prove what a snowflake baby you are as a moderator, unable to accept valid criticism and established facts, by failing like some wimpHOLE lemming sheeple to publish this. And my previous comments.
They will be published to fully embarrass you on my Facebook page in any case.
Don’t mess with Tee!
Yours is the most reasonable, fact based, measured comment I have read today. Congratulations.
Of course yours is the only comment I have read so far. I guess I should read a few others and see how yours holds up. LOL (that stands for Lots Of Love, right?)
I predict Tee won’t be answering any questions.
Not even his or her’s scientific credentials questions?
On the other hand this is an inadvertent beacon of light in the vile darkness of fake left wing, vitriolic losers, showing why the these people who want to rule “one world” never will.
Tee sure is a persuasive devil. Actually he is a poster child of the Democrat political establishment. We won’t have to worry with such people in charge of our affairs.
And SO full of vitriol, but No facts.
So the massive irregularities with absentee ballots were justified? Because Orange Man Bad?
That is really what it boils down to…”Orange Man Bad”. DJT is still living in the empty heads of the commies rent-free.
Fact is, Orange Man *IS* bad. Reprehensible, in fact. Should already have been jailed for insurrection and treason against America.
Who cares that he didn’t do any of those things, we have a narrative to project.
“he didn’t do any of those things”
Another blind regurgitation of right wing echo chamber fantasy land talking points. More and more evidence is piling in every day that he absolutely did those things, and more.
MGC- I hope you are enjoying the gas prices.
Yer an idiot blinded by your own propaganda.
All of these fake posters: Griff, Tee, MGC, etc are paid Chinese trolls, and their drive-by comments are only intended to disrupt the conversation. It is a measure of truth: the more drive bys, the more accurate the article.
Aye, you have this right.
“paid Chinese trolls”
Ha ha ha ha ha !! Laughably wrong, Cube. Just like pretty much everything else on WUWT.
Not to mention that the conversation *should* be disrupted, seeing as it is little but blind regurgitation after blind regurgitation after blind regurgitation of nonsensical right wing echo chamber political propaganda talking points.
Then why are you here? Piss off already.
The FBI and the DOJ doesn’t think there was an insurrection, the few who have been charged were NOT sedition at all.
Nice to be able to publish your opinions on Facebook without censorship. Not everyone is afforded such luxuries.
I also not that your list of objections to Donald Trump does not include anything illegal.
Like most leftist rants, it basically boils down to Trump is evil because he isn’t a communist.
Hmmm. Sources missing to verify wild ass statements. Typical commie rant.
The left really does hate reality.
The essence of progressive-ism is a denial of reality.
The essence of conservatism is head-in-the-sand living in the past.
Throughout history, progressives have brought us pretty much *every* major socio-political advance. Women’s voting rights. Safe labor laws. The end of segregation. And so many many many more.
In contrast, conservatives have brought us little more than “maintain the status quo”, even when it is more than obvious that the status quo is a prescription for failure.
Folks seem to forget that even America’s Founding Fathers were the Uber-Liberal Progressives of their day. Had we listened to the conservative side of the aisle in 1776, we would all still be subjects of the British Monarchy.
MGC-Except that DJT brought the lowest ever unemployment to women, blacks, and hispanics. He also made America energy independent and a net exporter of oil and gas. Just to round things out, he brought about world peace and multiple Isreal/Arab peace treaties, which were unreachable to all previous Presidents.
What you are now experiencing is called Cognitive Dissonance.
It is doubtful if any of these things were actually the result of anything Trumpty Dumpty did.
For example, unemployment under DJT merely continued to follow the trajectory that it had already been on for years under Obama. Look at a graph of unemployment. There is no change whatever in the curve with the change of administrations.
Republicans regained the House in 2012 which coincides with the beginning of the declining unemployment rate.
Thank you for admitting the rate continued going down the first 3 years of the Trump Presidency.
Utter garbage.
Conservatives are sensible people who consider the potential for downsides to ‘progress’ as well as the oft ridiculous ‘expectations’.
Welfare has doomed millions to dependence both here and in the US but the claims of what it was supposed to deliver are simply shoved down the memory hole.
Its easy to be a delusional progressive with your placards ‘forward’ and ‘change’ as you revel in your self proclaimed moral superiority.
Thank goodness for conservatives who if they had a placard, and they don’t, would have ‘hesitate, think carefully’ written on it.
“Conservatives are sensible people who consider the potential for downsides to progress”
First reasonable comment I’ve seen here in a long time.
Yes, will grant that. Checks and balances are indeed necessary.
Still, conservatism brings nothing “new and improved” to the table. Just the same old same old. I’d rather be willing to try new things, even at the expense of being wrong at times, than to just wallow in the same tired old rut.
A little history lesson for you. The democratic party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, Japanese (and Italian and German) internment camps, redlining, segregation, and in the modern day, it is the party of identity politics, cancel culture, crime infested, rotting inner cities with failing schools, and has been exposed since George Floyd as the party of anarchy. The most insidious action was the federalization of redlining under FDR when he created the Fair Housing Administration which introduced redlining policies in over 200 cities across the US. There’s more. Maybe take your arguments to Carol Swain – https://www.prageru.com/video/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-democratic-party https://www.prageru.com/video/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-republican-party
https://www.prageru.com/video/what-i-can-teach-you-about-racism https://www.prageru.com/video/why-did-the-democratic-south-become-republican or Candace Owens https://www.prageru.com/video/the-plantation-then-and-now
Wow. Here’s a history lesson. The civil rights act was opposed by Dems and supported by Republicans. Slavery was supported by Dems and opposed by Republicans. Your knowledge of history is the equal of your integrity.
“Slavery was supported by Dems and opposed by Republicans.”
The Republican Party at that time WAS the *progressive* party and the Southern Democrats were the status quo conservatives.
Since then, they’ve both changed stripes. GOP folks are now the status quo conservatives and Democrats are the progressives.
Sorry, pal, but you’re the one who needs the history lesson, not me.
Haw haw haw haw haw, does this mean That Democrats up to the 1980’s became republicans while they hide behind the Democrat label?
Look up Bull Connor did he change to Republican?
What about Robert Byrd did he change to Republican?
There are many more like this you can’t answer because your claim is stupid and irrational.
Democrats are very progressive. After all, founded, funded, and provided logistical and legal support to the KKK for about 100 years.
Truly a proud moment for Democrats.
Southern democrats who left the party because of intergration.
The Democrat party started in the 1820’s but despite that didn’t advance womens voting rights until only 90 years later.
It was Jeanette Rankin a REPUBLICAN who authored the H.J R1
LINK
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Segregation was ended with the strong backing of the Eisenhower administration
Eisenhower was key desegregation figure
Democrats of the day were angered by his actions to carry out desegregation.
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There are more but these two makes you look very partisan thus unreliable.
Good stuff. Damn I wish this site would stick to climate. The rest of this nonsense just weakens their argument. The Washington Times really?
Being proven time and again.
Tee, you ignorant walking bunghole:
Come back and tell us how you feel next November 9th, and then again on November 6th of 2024.
Between now and those dates, you and your brain dead ilk have plenty of time to refurbish your safe spaces, and restock your supplies of crayons, pacifiers, and drool bibs.
Best to wait until just before to order your emotional support puppies, they grow up so fast dontchaknow.
Curious…how much you charging DJT to live full-time inside your head?
I suspect it is rent free, but that is between you and your shrink I suppose.
Now get back out there and glue yourself to a road, or whatever you effin’ morons are doing for a living these days.
Nice to know we have a president that speaks the truth.
Thanks for that. I have been posting that quote of biden’s for 2 years, and hoping to see it every time I visit the ‘net’.
I’ve got another version that plays the audio of Biden making that statement.
Perfect example of TDS level 10. Word salad of incoherent memes inserted into a person’s angry mind.
So Twitter and Facebook would ban you for this rant, so you come here ?
The left only bans rants when you use them against people they approve of.
Any attack on those who fail to support the narrative, no matter how vile, is perfectly acceptable.
Mark is right, Charles: Twitter encourages the LEFTist rants, and often quells truth and support of contrary information.
And so, Twitter has become an uninteresting lopsided rabbit hole…
Joe Biden has done more to destroy Democracy than anything President Trump did, both at home and abroad.
And he’s a regular Washington, DC guy, which is why he’s far more of the flotsam torpedoes of feces and swamp sludge than Donald Trump was — and this is even after acknowledging the fact that Trump is that kind of person, mostly because he had to learn to be such a person in order to function in the cesspool we call New York City.
I can’t think of anything that Trump did that could be characterized as damaging democracy, much less destroying it. Of course as the left constantly tells us, it’s only democracy when they win. When they lose it’s a travesty of democracy that must be fixed to ensure it never happens again.
When they say Trump is destroying Democracy what they really mean is Trump is destroying the Socialism practiced by the radical Democrats.
And they are correct, Trump did and would destroy socialism if given the chance. That’s what the Left is afraid of.
The radical Democrats confuse their selfish desires with Democracy.
>> The radical Democrats confuse their selfish desires with Democracy.<< conflate, anyway
Somebody forgot to take their meds this morning…
This morning? I think he has been off of them for several days. I do hope that he doesn’t hurt someone while in this ‘New York state of mind.’
I agree with most of your criticism of Trump’s extreme character flaws, but the side swipe at the mod was offensive, pointless and distracted from your attack on Trump. . . .
And inaccurate like the rest of his diatribe. One can at least say that he was consistent.
And then there is the epitome of moral, righteous behavior, Hunter Biden.
“The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”
Well said, Tee Shanny, and really, just the tip of the iceberg.
Trumpty Dumpty is already being written into American History in the same
“American Villains” chapter as Richard Nixon, Joe McCarthy, and Benedict Arnold.
TDS
MAGA
Tee Hee. Ta Ta.
I am embarrassed I have been a Democrat sine 1973 and just switched to Republican. The only Republican I voted for ever was a Clinton Democrat and one of the few non-libertarian anti-globalism conservatives in in either party.. Anti-globalism is a very hazardous political agenda indeed. It took a global pandemic, mass absentee balloting, censorship and a disastrous shift left to beat him…… even when his mouth went haywire far too often for most respectable people who would vote for him..
“unable to accept valid criticism and established facts”
Of which you provide the usual amount from a Lefty. i.e. Zero, nada, zilch.
well done in upholding the abysmal standards we have come to expect from the unreasonable true believers.
I/we get your drift, but, in our nation where we have a govt structure by which the people are intended and designed to be SELF-GOVERNING, it is WE THE PEOPLE … who need the enema.
Our Declaration of Independence and our Fed Constitution make it clear to see and understand that the BUCK STOPS WITH US, WE THE PEOPLE — and no one else; there is no army out there waiting to save us — but such designs work only IF AND WHEN We The People actually do our patriotic duty and MAKE IT WORK.
We can only be self governing when the elections are honest.
Or we form spontaneous Militias.
To think that a candidate that hardly got out of his basement and had rallies where there was more press than attendees got more votes than Obama just buggers belief.
Trump got more total votes and a higher minority percentages during his second election.
The press covered up damaging information about Joe using his brother and son for bagmen throughout his political career which would have given him even less votes.
The 2020 election will go down as the most “controversial” in history.
Thanks Andy and Dr. Lott.
HAHAHA, “BUGGERS belief!” Again, the pure stupidity of Trumpists and CONNEDservatives who completely fail to understand English is hilarious.
Yes, virtually all of your beliefs ARE “buggered.” They don’t rest on science, they don’t rest on reality, they typically rest on piles and piles of lies (including 22,000 Trump told as PresiDidn’t), and the poo-piles of obvious lies, fantasies and child’s tales akin to cartoons like Bugs Bunny, the Easter Bunny, Tinkerbell and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, yet presented as “sacred” to credulous, utter dopes in every world religion’s BuyBull.
Look it up. You have no clue what you just said, and how it reflects the pathetic truth of all broken brained CONNEDservatives.
“Out of the mouths of adult bab(ies)…”
Feel embarrassed as a cartoonishly drawn, underdeveloped and undereducated adult child of a Harry Potter-like character much???
Tee is really going to be unhappy, even more so than now, when November rolls around.
I suppose you think that Hunter Biden is the smartest person.
Well, unfortunately, Hunter and the Big Guy have gotten away with it so far. One can only hope that justice is delivered.
“…You have no clue what you just said, and how it reflects the pathetic truth …”
Project much?
““Out of the mouths of adult bab(ies)…””
I’m guessing you too are a product of the [laughable] American education system.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
And once again, not a shred of evidence. Not a single attempt to provide a coherent, much less a logical argument. Definitely a progressive.
Looks like tee is more focused on harassing and baiting with insults than stating anything factual.
That the moderators allow commenters whose sole goal is to berate with insults is concerning.
That tee fully intends to repost it’s nonsense on farcebook, actions similar to Sou, in lame attempts to increase tee’s adolescent audience.
tee’s TDS inflammatory incoherent muck are not worth reading, let alone a response.
The posts should stand and not be moderated. It’s a slippery slope and we the people can respond so that others can see what we are up against. Angry misinformed people who cannot be reasoned with are only exposed when people can hear all free speech.
They should be allowed to stand, but only so long as the volume doesn’t get so high that it interferes with actual conversations.
Perhaps like Barry, Tee should be limited to 10 rants per day.
I think the Mods have a good moderation criteria.
The point is that we should not resort to subjective quelling of free speech.
Inasmuch as he hasn’t contributed anything substantive in his second post, perhaps it would be best to let it stand at two posts. Definitely it should be “three strikes and you’re out!’
That the moderators allow commenters whose sole goal is to berate with insults is concerning.
I disagree. Let the Tees show themselves for what they are. Let everyone see that all they have is insults and harassment. And don’t give them the excuse to whine about being “censored” (even though they’re perfectly fine with it when done to THEIR ideological opponents).
Put it on display for all to see.
A “progressive” as in retarded Luddite.
I think he is going for the highest down-vote count (lowest up-vote count?).
Or a paid troll…
Oh Tee… why are you so full of hate?
The world hasn’t granted him the fame and fortune his mother and teachers have assured him is his birthright.
Tee I learned a long time ago to be a leftist you first and foremost have to lie to yourself and believe such lies. After that those on the left have no connection with reality. You live in a world of make believe. Your leftist tenants all you to believe a man/woman can be a woman/man just stating so. A complete denial of biology. You side also think that a same temperature rise we had for over the last 200 years is going to be catastrophic, even when the computer project temps don’t put the world temp where it was 8000 years ago. Due to the fact you and your ilk don’t live in reality we now have a president who can no longer control his emotions or his bowels. We a figuratively and literally in a shitty position because of you lack of honesty and stupidity.
Can you explain why a 6th-order polynomial can be used to predict with high accuracy the voter turnout by age in every county within the state of Washington and a different 6th order polynomial describes that of Arizona? Same is true for other states. All it takes is a idealist with a spreadsheet and one can alter elections, the climate, etc. etc.
You are on a real roll. Does it make you feel better to offer all those unsupported insults? I do hope you have scheduled a session with your shrink for the near future. As it is, you appear to be a danger to yourself and others. Such anger is not healthy. How is your blood pressure?
He/She/It probably is a shrink.
Try some Librium and Prince Valium, you’ll feel better, not that I give a rat’s ass, and there’s always the Golden Gate; the sharks have to eat too. Just think of it as Tee shagging a net zero CO2. But have a nice free speech day and thanks for participating.
Biden: Afghanistan withdrawal fiasco, highest inflation in decades, idiotic and incoherent energy policies, incredible tax and spend programs, no balls foreign policy, loss of respect (or fear) for America, corrupt dealings with China, loss of respect for law enforcement, inappropriate sex education for children, uncontrolled illegal immigration, woke and ineffective military leadership, racially driven appointments, support for the corrupt self-serving anti-education Teachers Unions, ….need I go on about this incompetent senile progressive ass kisser? At least he doesn’t do mean tweets – he’s mentally incapable of doing it.
Tee, I am sincerely grateful that you aren’t on the same political side of the spectrum as I. It would truly be embarrassing.
“The press covered up damaging information about Joe using his brother and son for bagmen throughout his political career which would have given him even less votes.”
Polls show that had the Leftwing News Media covered the Hunter Biden scandal, instead of censoring it, that a minimum of 10 percent of Biden’s voters would not have voted for him. Which would have been enough for Biden to lose and Trump to win, even in this rigged election.
I believe that if there were even less votes for Biden, that would just have added to the ballot box stuffing. That’s why several states stopped counting – at the same time – so that they could determine how many added Biden votes were needed.
There was an article stating the failings of the voting process and how it could be corrupted. I think this was used as a primer for the DNC to use in 2020 kind of like how the “progressives” use Orwell’s 1984 as a playbook.
Yes, thanks Andy and Dr. Lott. I am pleased to have contributed to CPRC since its inception. I am pleased to have a first edition of <i>More Guns, Less Crime</i>.
So, he won by 6.45 million votes, rather than 7 million?
I am not saying that this happened, but I recall that Stalin is said to have said,” It is not who votes that matter, but who counts them”.
Michael VK5ELL
Hello!! the same Federal Election Commission that oversaw and certified the election results of EVERY past President, congressperson and senator certified these. There’s absolutely no evidence that commission nor the Congress was corrupted or co-opted in any way — EXCEPT by January 6th efforts from Benedict Trumpold and his failed democracy-wrecking crew.
So keep fantasizing all you like while wasting hope and prayers on your 100% fictional BuyBull. Maybe ten people will buy your book of fiction. All ten with a brain on this website. The others who have money and no brains will buy it also, probably making it a best-seller falsely deemed nonfiction among broken-brained, undereducated, inbred Southern and Western gun-slinging Lemmings / sheeple / right-wingers. Whose GUNS, DESPITE CLEAR PARANOIA, have never been taken by anyone except Sheriff’s when those guns were used in THE MANY, MANY right-wing-idiocy-fueled terrorist mass shootings and other crimes – including by children of those idiots who own the guns.
Feel better now?
The rant is strong with this one.
Actually, I don’t think that he will ever feel better. He is not well.
Tee, you are good at one thing, insulting people. I will give you that. Love TRUMPS hate, so I appreciate you reminding me I am on the RIGHT side.
You really need to seek help for your mental illness. Anyone who is so infected with TDS and rage-filled hatred, as you have shown yourself to be by your rants, needs serious psychiatric treatment. You show no logic; rather you rant and spew ad hominem invectives. You are a sad, sad, sad, sick little puppy.
So much delusion, so little actual reality. Which college did you graduate from?
Harvard ?? That would make sense.
You are wrong. In the 2000 election, the Florida Supreme Court, with it’s Democrat majority, tried to alter state election law. Only State legislatures can make or change election laws and the U S Supreme Court ruled those changes were illegal and threw them out. In 2020, Georgia and Pennsylvania election officials made changes to those State’s election laws pertaining to when and how ballots would be accepted. They had no authority to do so and that those changes changed the election results.
Consider the possibility that the Jan. 6 riot was the modern equivalent of the 1933 burning of the Reichstag to bully Congress into not asking any question about voting irregularities. Even the New York Times admits at least two FBI informants participated in the riot. When Sen. Cruz asked an FBI official a few weeks back if any FBI agents or confidential informants engaged in acts of violence on Jan.6, she refused to answer because she could not reveal investigatory methods.
You live in a dangerous world. 80million people who voted for Trump must either be as evil as Trump or to stupid to recognize evil; take your pick.
Tee, next time try to work “deplorable” into your rant.
I worked hard to earn that badge.
“the same Federal Election Commission that oversaw and certified the election results of EVERY past President”
Wow, I did not know people lived for hundreds of years…
When you work for government, you are granted special privileges.
Not to mention that a presidential election is a series of simultaneous STATE ballots that are independent of each other. The FEC does not “oversee” anything.
I don’t think he gets the concept of united states of America.
Yep.
An old historian once told me that prior to the Civil War, people would refer to the US as THESE United States. After the war the phrase changed to THE United States.
You shouldn’t have to be a linguist to spot why the two phrases are different.
Well, no, the people have changed, but it’s the same Federal Election Commission that oversaw General Washington’s election.
“…the people have changed”
Yes, which makes his point invalid… The point is that different people with different agendas make different decisions. He implied that the name of the commission not changing validates his poorly worded salad.
“He implied that the name of the commission not changing validates his poorly worded salad.”
Excellent! 🙂
HA! thanks!
It’s kindof odd how Russia hacked the election in 2016 to help President Trump win an election, yet in 2020, it’s suddenly impossible for any election to be subject to voting fraud.
As for the “CLEAR PARANOIA” you mock gun owners for, it’s not as if there aren’t any prominent Democrats (say, Joe Biden, and Beto O’Roarke, just to throw a couple of names out there) who promise to take away our guns. Maybe if they didn’t want us to feel paranoid, they shouldn’t make such promises ….
Tee, if you really believed that Biden won then you wouldn’t feel the need to produce this volume of verbal diarrhea.
I actually feel quite sorry for you, assuming that you are a real person rather than a Bot, it must be awful living with the amount of insecurity and hatred you have.
Maybe you could get some help?
Interesting. In the old days they called guys like Tee ‘Bomb Throwers’.
Wild-eyed Bolsheviks!
I like this guy! His word mash-ups are the Beeeee-Bestist ;0)
Far more entertaining than Griff
They really are entertaining.
It is often expressed thusly….
“It’s not who voted that counts, it’s who counts the votes….”
I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I believe it was Hillary Clinton who declared the Cincinnati Bengals Super Bowl Champions this past season because they kicked more field goals than the Rams last month.
Unfortunately for our former Secretary of State, she didn’t read the rule book before making her declaration, and the teams were playing under the NFL’s long-established rule set.
A good analogy is the World Series, where first team to win four games wins, regardless of the overall run totals.
1960
As he cheated, he did not win.
If you are referring to Trump’s Big Lie about Joseph Biden not winning the election, PROVE IT. HE COULD NOT.
With your ABSENT JD degree, from the Law College of Nothing in Nowhere, you will gain far less traction than ACTUAL TRUMP lawyers who were forced to admit “NO YOUR HONOR, we are NOT alleging fraud here,” in OVER 60 FEDERAL ELECTION CASES. Lest they lose their legal licenses for LYING in COURT.
NO. 1 POINT OF ALL LAW: LAWYERS MUST PROVE THEIR CASES USING FACTS AND EVIDENCE.
THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.
WHY?? THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE.
HELLO! WAKE UP and SMELL THE DEMOCRACY.
WOW, the stupidity amongst right-wing sheeple who believe every lie Trump tells. 22000 during his presiDIDN’Tcy alone!
“WOW, the stupidity amongst right-wing sheeple who believe every lie Trump tells. 22000 during his presiDIDN’Tcy alone!”
Wow, the stupidity among leftwing fanatics who believe every lie the Leftwing News Media puts out about Trump, 22000 during his presidency alone.
According to USA Constitution, Biden is not the President of USA.
Biden did not win the Presidency,.
It simply was awarded to him ‘The Big guy’, by the illegal tenants of Capitol Hill on the
6th of January, against and in clear infringement of USA Constitution.
Thanks mostly to
CONNEDservatives,
or shall we say;
CONNEDcowards.
Only a zealous idiot will really believe that Joseph could have ever won any meaningful number of votes from the people, to get the Presidency.
cheers
The idea that using computers in voting assures electoral integrity is erroneous: https://nailheadtom.blogspot.com/2020/11/it-would-be-impossible-to-rig-election.html
tom,
Besides and despite of everything else, the USA constitution prohibits categorically the Capitol Hill to elect the President.
What happened in the 6th of January was even worse than that.
Not only the USA Constitution was overruled and overwritten that day in the Capitol Hill,
but it was done so by a certain group,
after that very group, in its entirety, was evicted from power… by the edict of the People… as for the merit of and demand/obligation from/to the USA constitution.
cheers
“Not only the USA Constitution was overruled and overwritten that day in the Capitol Hill,
but it was done so by a certain group,”
Nothing was overruled or overwritten. The supposed winner of the election was confirmed by the electoral college. The “certain group”? Were the many people nationally that had doubts about the integrity of the election all card-carrying members of some “certain” or particular group or were they merely a heterogeneous crowd of people with doubts about the validity of the election?
“that very group, in its entirety, was evicted from power… by the edict of the People”
What does that stew of verbiage even mean? Who was “that very group”? The edict of the People? Perhaps English is your second language.
whiten word salads rarely can be understood without an on-line translator.
Carlo, I assure you, I do not mind at all your opinion about my wording, actually I like it, to a degree.
But got to ask.
Does your country has a Constitution at all?
Just asking Carlo…. please understand, no hard feelings, or anything like that.
cheers
The Electoral College does not confirm or elects the President.
The Capitol Hill, Congress, only confirms the President, in line with the provisions set by the USA Constitution.
USA Constitution stands above both and all.
Besides, the “certain group”, consisting as the Congress man and Senators plus the Vice,
(was it so hard for you to understand it)
were evicted from power in that 6th of January as within the provisions set by the USA Constitution, were they not…
before their act of electing Biden as President!
cheers
The process on Jan 6th is to count the electoral votes.
Amendment XII:
“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all certificates and the votes shall then be counted; the person having the greatest number of votes for President shall be President if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed…”
The certificates referred to are the State Elector lists of all persons voted for as President from that State (a similar list for Vice-President) and the number of votes for each. These lists are signed and certified by the Electors in each State and transmitted to the seat of the government of the United States directed to the President of the Senate.
The President and Vice President were elected on Dec 14, 2020 which was the day prescribed for the Electors in each State to meet and vote in their perspective States. The results are sealed, sent to the Senate and read aloud on Jan 6th as detailed above. The current President’s term ends on Jan 20 after the election and the next President’s term begins on the same day. The timing of the transfer is when the oath of office is taken by the new President. No one was evicted on Jan 6th and it was not done prior to whomever you think elects the new President.
Tom in Florida
And in the 6th of January the Vice President and the Congress decide to count selectively, not the all Certificates of Electors send to Congress… arbitrarily, against and in infringement of USA Constitution… specifically as you state it,
the Amendment XII.
In accordance to the clause of Dec 14, 2020, and the all actual valid Certificates of Electors, Donald J Trump was the President elected.
But all that changed on the 6th of January.
And there is no any provision, support or justification that can be found in the USA Constitution for such a travesty.
When it comes to the eviction, that act, that happening, you can call it whatever you like to, by many names, to your heart content…
like for example illegitimate, illegal, criminal, treason, patriotic, childish, vandal or an act of hooligans etc., but in the end specifically, clearly and simply it stands and remains an eviction.
There is no any other better or more simple correct and truer description for it.
Eviction.
Again, according to USA Constitution, Donald J Trump was elected as the 46th President of USA, but not confirmed by the Capitol Hill.
In disaccord, infringement and against the USA Constitution,
in the 6th of January 2020 Biden was elected and confirmed as a President of USA in the Capitol Hill by the Capitol Hill.
I am sure you may not like my position in this one, as many others, but;
We agree to disagree, Tom… hopefully.
cheers
How was DJT elected on Dec 14th when the results were sealed to be opened on Jan 6. Are you implying that the electoral votes were all counted on Dec 14 in violation of the Constitution and that DJT actually had more electoral votes than Biden and that this count was reversed on Jan 6? It certainly sounds like it. Please clarify.
As I said,
not all of the valid Certificates of Electors were counted and processed on the 6th of January.
And there happens to be not any provision(s), support or justification of any kinda
to be found in the USA Constitution for such a travesty.
What is that you do not understand there?
Are you playing the dumb now?l
cheers
No, I am honestly trying to understand where you heard that all of the certificates were not counted? And where did you hear that DJT had the majority of electoral votes on Dec 14th.
I am a DJT fan, and I despise Biden and the left liberals that are destroying this Country. I think they stole the election but at the local vote counting level not the electoral vote level.
So please inform me where you got this information.
Ok Tom,
Just tell me, or better tell yourself if you;
Are you claiming in one way or another that all the valid Certificates of Electors were counted and processed on the 6th of January as dictated by (the Amendment XII of) the USA Constitution?
Are you still claiming also that what happened in that day was not an eviction?
Did you not yourself stated that the President stands elected as per the premise of the 14th of December clause?
Tom, I also stated that we very much may agree to disagree,
where your position rightfully or not may not accept as valid my point or my position.
Fair enough,
but it requires understanding first of the point, the lack of which you keep brink it up, repeatedly.
Are you sure you really do not understand my point and my position in this regard?
I think I have being very clear with clarifying that point and position.
I am not claiming that understanding does necessarily mean validity, but in the other hand, lack of it, leaves no room for assessment in one way or another.
I understand you very well, I think.
Hopefully, at least you understand what I meant by;
CONNEDcowards.
Hopefully.
At this point, as per my position, I think I have being clear enough, I let you decide what you take way or not.
But no understand, or lack of understanding,
leaves no room even for the;
“Agree to disagree.”
Maybe my fault there, or maybe not!
Still your effort very much appreciated, and no any hard feelings on my part what so ever.
In the end of the day, it is actually about your Country and your Constitution.
🙂
cheers
OK for the last time. What is the source for your claim that all the electoral votes were not counted on Jan 6? It is a simple question and should be a simple answer. Either you have a source you can refer me to or you don’t really have any source and just choose to believe it. You seem to be avoiding that simple question. I will repeat it so you cannot misunderstand:
What is the source for your claim that all the electoral votes were not counted on Jan 6?
Reality, the factual one… as it happened…in the open…on the record.
Something that you seem to have missed, or pretend to have missed, or perhaps worse.
That is my answer to your question.
If you think this to be a figment of my imagination, well, so be it.
But that is the source you asking me about… as answered above.
And as far as am concerned it is a statement of fact, and not a claim… or opinion.
cheers
The answer should have been:
“As reported by xyz” or “I was there and witnessed it” or ” so and so told me” or at the least “I heard it through the grapevine”.
Having none of those or anything close to those, I will conclude that you are making it up or some nefarious reason.
Tom in Florida
It is a well known fact beyond any dispute, that not all them valid Certificates of Electors were counted and processed on the 6th of January 2020.
That is a clear real fact of reality, which needs not any specific, special or otherwise listed references to support it.
Now, the question here standing is, as already pointed to you earlier:
Are you claiming otherwise, therefor denying it… or not?
cheers
Saying “A well known fact” without a source or reference is just bullshit for “OK I really don’t know but I want to believe”.
So once again, where did you get this “well known fact”?
Somehow, somewhere you gained this information, so tell me how?
You would not know what evidence is.
As a progressive, he/she/it defines evidence as anything that advances the narrative.
Ah, so that’s why Democrats have been resisting audits and censoring everyone on Youtube and FascistBook who has questions — or even goes so far as explain aberrations that indicate election fraud — about the election.
Nope, nothing to see here, move along!
“FascistBook”
I like it! Accurate.
Tee Shanny – Making Griff appear as center-of-the-road. Never thought that would or could happen. Shanny, I am not going to take your verbal bait and respond in kind. To our moderator of the day: Appreciate your not having *snipped* this poster. As previously stated by others, it is good to see the type of rabid mind sets that are out there as we stay here in our veritable enclave at WUWT. This Tee Shanny appears to be the type of human that would verbally accost you – openly, in public, loudly and in full voice – for merely appearing to support a person or cause that they do not agree with.
Not the type to expend any type of energy in attempting to engage in rational discourse with.
I expect this human to respond with EXCLAMATIONS OF OUTRAGE to this relatively neutral observation.
At least it keeps one entertained..
Regards,
MCR
How is evidence obtained? With a Grand Jury or bi-partisan congressional investigative committee with the power to subpoena witnesses and evidence, and obtain testimony under oath.
Did any of that happen? No! That is why “There was no evidence.”
The only thing that can be said with certainty is that the election was certified and FJB was inaugurated. As to whether he legitimately won the election, nobody really knows because there hasn’t been a thorough investigation of the documented irregularities. Yet, there are those like Tee and the MSM who are absolutely convinced that FJB legitimately won. That says a lot about their state of mind.
I’m not a close election follower, I don’t now anything about total votes, but the conclusion quoted above says something much different your statement. Since the conclusion is in a peer- reviewed, published for anyone to read, study, I would tend to give it more weigh than a contention (yours) without any accompanying evidence.
Like most progressives, Adam doesn’t read for understanding. When he bothers to read at all.
I thought you won seats in USA politics but apparently not it’s a popularity contest first past the post … who knew.
No, because the Founders did not provide that the Presidential candidate with the most votes is elected. They provided that to get elected you have to get a majority of the states via the Electoral College.
Biden did not win by any majority of the popular vote. He won by getting a majority of delegates in the Electoral College. He could have lost in the College while still getting a majority of the popular vote.
This is why Presidents in the US regularly get elected with a minority share of the popular vote.
You can argue about whether this is a sensible way to elect a President, and people do. But at least get the facts right and understand how the Constitution works.
Right to the point, Michel. The blue states are going to cheat, and they can run up the vote total as much as they want, the Electoral College then puts everything into a Reality Check. The dastardly aspect of the 2020 vote was not only blue states cheating, via unwitnessed absentee ballots, but also the media falsely charging Trump with everything, including Russian Collusion, thus causing a lot of votes, not in favor of Biden, but against Trump.
‘The dastardly aspect of the 2020 vote was not only blue states cheating, …’
Under the Electoral College system, the progressives can cheat all they want in the blue states and not affect outcome. The problem is in the so-called ‘swing’ states, which are nominally red states that have at least one electoral district dominated by a Democrat political machine that can create as many votes as needed to ‘swing’ the entire state.
And even red states where the Secretary(s) of State have been replaced by Soros’ shills that aren’t afraid of violating election laws.
Exactly. So if you cheat you really only need to pick a few states.
Remember the pipeline that was hacked on the east coast and gas prices shot up?
I wonder if someone could hack an election 🤔
You really only need to pick a few cities. Extra votes in the right big cities can swing a state from one candidate to the other and take all the electoral votes, not just a portion of that state’s votes.
I’ve been advocating that all states adopt the system used in Maine and Nebraska. That the votes for each House seat be awarded to whichever presidential candidate wins that district, with the 2 senate votes going to whoever wins the state over all.
The Constitution tasks the state legislatures with the method to selecting Electors. Nowhere does it say it must be an election. State legislatures could just as easily appoint Electors. And the Constitution does not say how those Electors are to vote, in fact, the writings of Hamilton in the Federalist Papers confirm that the intent was for the Electors to be free to choose whomever they see as the best man for the job.
But you must take the Electoral College method in context of the Founders intention not to have the President, the Senate and the House be elected by the same method. The President by a commission of electors chosen at each election (so as not to have a permanent commission), the Senate by the State Legislatures to represent the State in the Federal government, and the House directly by the people. The term for the House was set at 2 years because the Founders wanted those directly elected by the people to stay in touch with the people. Unfortunately when they passed the 17th Amendment to make Senators directly elected by the people, they failed to follow that advice and did not change the term of Senators.
Interestingly, they hoped to make the House more sensitive to the current political climate while the Senate would provide the long term, stable leadership. As it turns out, the “churn” at each election cycle is higher in the Senate than the House. On a percentage basis, more incumbent Senators than incumbent Congressmen are likely to loose their seats.
As it turns out, the “churn” at each election cycle is higher in the Senate than the House.
Of course, they never anticipated people making lifelong careers in politics.
Absolutely true. I have no sense of when that started to happen, but I’m sure the Founders would be appalled and the current circumstance.
The original selection of Senators was an integral part of the check and balance system of government. The state legislators selected the Senators for their respective states. This gave the state legislatures a ‘hook’ in the national government.
There would be no unfunded mandates to states had that not changed, and likely a much more secure southern border. The average voter does not have the same level of understanding of state issues as the state’s legislature.
It also devalued the importance of state legislators. How many here could name their local elected officials of their state’s legislatures?
Direct election of Senators was a monumental mistake.
Atlanta and the Philadelphia area were two that changed the election.
In the 1960 Kennedy win over Nixon, it took less than ten thousand fraudulent votes (out of several million) for Kennedy to give Kennedy Illinois and the Presidency. Nixon was urged to challenge it, but refused for the good of the country.
“Exactly. So if you cheat you really only need to pick a few states.”
Yes, exactly. And that’s what happened in 2020.
Half pint understands how it works, he just doesn’t like how it works because it’s a roadblock to his preferred global communism.
Democrats might be stupid but they are not dumb. They knew the districts and precincts they needed to infiltrate and subvert to tilt the Electoral College. Like the Bolsheviks they are.
“Democrats might be stupid but they are not dumb.”
Democrats know how to cheat. And now they have the DC Swamp and the Leftwing News Media on their side, so they had a pretty easy time of it.
As an example of the DC Swamp being on the Democrat’s side: During the election, Hunter Biden’s laptop was discovered with tons of incriminating information in it, but none of the Leftwing Media would report on it and 51 DC Swamp retired “intelligence” officials, including four former CIA Directors all signed a letter claiming Hunter Biden’s laptop was just Russian disinformation.
Now, the Leftwing Media is acknowledgeing the existence of Hunter Biden’s laptop and the ramifications thereof, presumably because now Hunter is about to get indicted on federal charges, and this puts the lie to the 51 DC Swamp “intelligence” critters who claimed it was Russian disinformation.
So the DC Swamp critters had no idea that Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation, yet they came out publicly at a critical time in the election process and said it was disinformation. So they deliberately lied to get Biden elected.
Florida Representative Matt Gaetz says if the Republicans gain control of the House of Representatives this next election that he is going to introduce a bill to take the securty clearances away from all 51 of the DC Swamp liars. I think that’s the minimum that should be done.
And I’m sad to announce that Trump says he is not interested in becoming Speaker of the House next January. He has other things to do he says.
That would have been SO delicious. We would get to see all these leftwing fanatics in full TDS, pulling their hair out. Oh well, I guess we’ll just have to wait for the 2024 election for that. 🙂
‘….a bill to take the securty clearances away from all 51 of the DC Swamp liars.’
It amazes me that this privilege is extended in the first place.
Frank,
Agreed. There is absolutely no reason why a person who is no longer in government service should have a security clearance, much less access to classified material.
Tom, not only do the Dems have “the DC Swamp and the Leftwing News Media on their side” but also S450,000 ,000 from a tech billionaire which funded election offices and demanded revised election rules (with claw back provisions). This also included staffing of poll workers, placement of drop boxes in favorable locations, and likely the funding of ballot “mules” who illegally harvested votes and then went from drop box to dropbox and district to district for mass deposits.
The latter is now under investigation in Fulton county GA.
The lies and coincidences are still piling up. The US funded Gain of Function research which was done in Wuhan and probably accidentally released (documented sloppiness in the lab) was the cause for all the lock downs and mail in ballots. They jumped on the chance like an angry rabbit.
The 2000 Mules film by Dinesh D’Souza purports to show detailed cell phone tracking and videos of the ballot box stuffers in all the swing states. Should be icing on the cake for the midterms.
“Democrats know how to cheat. “
Remind me again Tom, which of the two candidates said to an official “I need you to “find” me 11000 votes?”
Got a link, Simon? Your question is rather vague.
The purpose of my request is to demonstrate that you are getting your information from leftwing propagandists who lie constantly about everything Trump does.
Sure do. But it’s not important who reports it, Trump is recorded saying it. This link is Forbes… considered centre right. Certainly not left.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/01/03/fellas-i-need-11000-votes-trump-pressures-georgia-election-officials-to-overturn-election-in-leaked-audio-clip/?sh=1742b211e2bc
And here is the recording
And this proves what, Simon the Shill?
Still trying to defend CTCL?
It proves Trump was the one trying to subvert the election Monte the moron. He is recorded saying he wants the republican offical to find him the 11000 votes he needs to fraudulently win the election. Listen for yourself. Seriously, are you that corrupted by your political views? Here is it on a plate for you.
I don’t open kooklinks as a matter of policy.
And a one-liner proves zippo.
Oh yeah, Rafsenberger, the RINO GA Secretary of State who caves to the CTCL and WhuFlu fear p0rn pressure and illegally allowed mass mail-in balloting, bypassing the state legislature.
Great source, virtuesignallyleftistbatterycarboi.
Coming soon to a theatre near you:
You believe that you believe anything. Oh wait you believe anything.
Like the CO2 climate control knob?
Like Russian Colluuuuuusion?
Is anonymous voting and ballot harvesting legal in kiwi-ville?
You never read or heard your own link since he wasn’t asking for them to manufacture votes, he was asking them to look up the votes that can be shown falsely recorded in favor of Biden and give him those to the number needed to win the state.
He didn’t break any laws in the process.
So how do you explain Trump saying to them that “there is nothing wrong with saying that you recalculated.”
Recalculated is Trumps way of saying find votes that aren’t there. Cheating pure and simple.
To make it worse his own republican team were telling him “the problem you have Mr President is that your data is wrong.”
In spite of that he still asked them to “give me a break” and find 11000 votes.
It is the word “find” that has landed him in trouble. And after all this is going through the courts so we will see how it turns out.
Thank you for proving you never read the transcript of the phone call.
He never asked to have them recalculated you made that up, he was being specific in asking for the votes that in his view was wrongly given to Biden therefore wanted the ones that were really his all along be given to his vote total.
He never asked them to make up 11,000 new votes which YOU are insinuating which is a blatant lie.
“He never asked to have them recalculated”
Huh?
His exact words “there is nothing wrong with saying, you know, you’ve recalculated.”
At 1.02
“So how do you explain Trump saying to them that “there is nothing wrong with saying that you recalculated.”
Recalculated is Trumps way of saying find votes that aren’t there.”
You know that how?
That’s a politically-biased opinion, Simon. You are seeing what you want to see, not what is there.
Tom?? What??? How do you recalculate votes. You count them, end of story. Recalculate means find a different way to get a final number. Recalculate is Trumps way of saying “find” some votes. Oh wait he said that too. And Tom, we will see whose political opinion is biased when this goes to court.
“He didn’t break any laws in the process.”
I think that’s the important part. As you said, Trump wasn’t asking anyone to manufacture votes.
If you had read the transcript, you would have learned the 11,000 + votes that were actually his and not bidens that is what he was asking for.
Never asked for brand new votes at all.
“If you had read the transcript, you would have learned the 11,000 + votes that were actually his and not bidens that is what he was asking for.”
Well then let’s see where he says that? where is that on the utube clip. Give me a time?
Hmmm?
Simon,
The ‘all I need is 11,000 votes’ quote is taken out of context from a lengthy call where Trump argued with GA state officials that the margin of his loss was so close, 11k votes, and that the allegations of fraud were so large, perhaps 150k votes, that a recount was justified.
The following quote, on the other hand, is much more difficult to explain away.
“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” —Joe Biden
What??? there is nothing to explain. If you seriously think he was announcing on television that they were looking to defraud, you are sadly miles from the mark. He was merely stating that they had put together a strong team to combat voter fraud, but misspoke.
Read about it here… https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/12/greg-kelly/newsmax-host-recycles-out-context-clip-call-joe-bi/
Is muleling harvested mail-in ballots legal in NZ?
Not legal anywhere…. didn’t happen. But it seems you don’t have the filter to work that out.
Yes it is illegal, and how do you know it did not happen in the 2020 US election? The MarxStreamMedia told you so?
THOUSANDS of ballot mules in key cities were caught on video surveillance taking photos of the ballots they had harvested (to get paid with Zuckerbucks) then dumping them in ballot drop boxes.
Secretaries of State illegally allowed mass mail-in ballots by fiat, bypassing the state legislators who are tasked with running elections by the US Constitution.
You haven’t been paying attention because of your blind HAET for DJT.
LOL, better to just read the ENTIRE Transcript but that will not happen because you are NOT interested in finding out that the MSM cabal mislead you because they count on you NOT reading the transcript.
He never asked for new votes but to find the already existing 11,000+ votes he claims were changed to Biden then switch them back to Trump that is what he was asking for.
No new votes at all.
This was one of the mysterious negative vote updates that were captured on live TV on election night (including CNN!), it was not the only one.
“So, he won by 6.45 million votes, rather than 7 million?”
Total votes don’t tell the story. It’s how many States you win that counts.
In this case, Biden won about six States by about 10,000 votes each, give or take a few thousand.
And in each one of those States the vote is highly suspect. And the results are still being reviewed by many people, and the results are not all in yet, so stay tuned.
What can be proved is that hundreds of thousands of votes were cast illegally in the 2020 elections. It is not possible to determine who those illegal voters voted for, since it is a secret election, but there were many illegal votes.
The best way to guarantee a fair vote is to have paper ballots, which are hand counted. This is the original method of elections and exists in pretty much every other jurisdiction in the world, including Canada.
Paper ballots are difficult to fake, at least where there is widespread scrutineering. Having computerized voting machines is the stupidest and least reliable way of ensuring a fair vote, save perhaps the widely suggested “internet voting”.
Paper ballots should only be cast in person, by clearly Identified voters, in particular polling places under all party scrutiny. Any other method is criminally unreliable.
You know about the electoral college right?
Adam,
You write: “So, he won by 6.45 million votes, rather than 7 million?”
As already commented, the U.S. election is won or lost by state electoral votes, the vote totals for the country don’t count. In the election the states accused of fraud and that were close were studied in the paper, which I recommend you read. But below is a summary:
Contested states won by Biden (Biden margin):
Georgia: +11,779
Nevada: +33,596
Pennsylvania: +80,555
Wisconsin: +20,682
Arizona: +10,457
Total: +157,069
Statistically, Lott found 255,000 excess votes for Biden, more than enough to make a difference. For example, in Georgia Biden has 16,749 excess votes, many more than the margin above. In Nevada, 42,000 people voted more than once, again more than the margin. In Wisconsin, 28,395 voted without an id, and so on. Not proof that voter fraud turned the election, but evidence enough for a proper investigation, so it doesn’t happen again.
Being a progressive, I take it as a given that you don’t understand how the American electoral system works. It isn’t a popularity contest.
He won Ga, which would have been enough to give him the presidency.
Are you really as stupid as you make yourself out to be?
If he wasn’t as stupid as he is, he would not have written his stupid analysis and hit the post button.
Sometimes, you just have to accept the fact that publicly educated people are incapable of being logical. There are the top and bottom of every graduating class.
You obviously are not an American as you do not understand that the popular vote means nothing. Or perhaps you are an American who has no idea how our President is elected.
This is an article on climate?
If this is a climate site, this article has no place here!
I agree.
So why are you still reading?
Mr. Carlo: You said it more succinctly, you win.
You are free to not read any article you are not interested in.
Mr. .1: If your goal here is to show your vacuity, you are succeeding. You complain about the quality of commenters here, now you don’t like articles on statistical analysis. Thanks for reminding us that you are with griff in the “waste of space” bin.
OBVIOUSLY. BUT obvious facts and science, obviously produced by incredibly well educated and intelligent scientists is NOT important to this website.
This is a WHINING SITE by and for poorly educated and quite possibly inbred troglodytes with a dire learning disabilities and likely severe mental illnesses, who feel disaffected and BUTTHURT by LOSING the election of their favorite wannbe dictator and unprecedented lying presiDIDNtial candidate, FAILING to understand science, FAILING to understand logic and FAILING to grasp basics of reality and evidence.
[You aren’t obliged to be here you know . . . mod]
Tee probably won’t be here long.
Tee suddenly appeared here when the post evidenced political chicanery. Tee’s comments are no more than lurid vitriol. Febrile and vacuous.
Given that level of intellectual nothingness, the sudden appearance, and Tee’s political offal, I suspect Tee was assigned to the job. An operative; a semi-professional troll sent here to degrade the conversation.
You won’t succeed, Tee. Loudmouths get nowhere here, and empty insults are cause for amused dismissal.
Why hully gee!Who are you using as a source? MSNBC or CounterPunch?
WUWT must be making waves nowadays since it is attracting hysterical bedwetting Lefties like Tee Shanny above, who would normally never give it a mention.
Is that you, Putin? You sound like a Russian troll, becoming so frustrated over your continued failures in Ukraine that you have to rant and rave against Trump, the man who kept you in check for 4 years and kept you from continuing with what you did in Crimea under Obama/Biden? Afraid that continued investigation of the 2020 election might threaten your buddy Biden, whose policies and dementia set you up to go into Ukraine? I think maybe you’re really Vladimir Putin, who also demonstrates the insanity shown here in your posts. Go away, Vlad!
Most of the commenters here are not whining. tee, however is whining in unhinged emotional rants, totally sans facts.
Tee, you really do seem rather unwell and on top of that you deliberately expose your ignorance and prejudices for all to see.
Does that make you happy ? or provide you with some sick sense of fulfillment ? Or is it that your mental state allows you to do nothing else?
Get your own website.
Tee can’t complete a full sentence before vomiting forth a word salad of liberal political porn. Reminds me of the old Charles Manson interviews. I wonder if they both have the same crazy eyes. Quite entertaining really.
Word salad? Might this be Bigoilbob with a new nome de plume?
It’s a climate article, because look what US taxpayers got, an Administration that talks about Climate Change 30 times more than inflation or illegal immigration. The Biden Administration has even charged the Defense Department with fighting against climate change (think this had an impact on Russian strategy?).
Also, it’s not WUWC. WUWT is NOT “Watts Up With CLIMATE?”
It’s “Watts Up With THAT?”
“THAT” is anything that Anthony Watts thinks is interesting.
The griffendope knows this of course.
Ron,
Good points, but the main reason I put up this short introduction and plug for the Washington Times article and Lott’s Public Choice paper because it is the first peer-reviewed, properly done analysis of the election that I’ve seen. The paper has not been formally published yet, but when it is, we will hear a lot about it. Most of the media will scour academia until they find someone willing trash it for their articles or TV shows. But I’m a believer in primary sources, that is reading the actual peer-reviewed article and I know many of you are the same. I wanted the preprint available to you as soon as possible.
Mr. May: Thank you for a good article on math analysis. I recommend The Federalist, they are the only other site I’ve seen running articles on how the dems did it in WI. GA and others. The media shut out of any info questioning ’20 election is quite thorough.
My first thought when I saw this article was, “how does this have anything to do with the climate issue?” Sadly the voting public do not force their politicians to spell out their policies, briefly and clearly, before elections and then compel them to stick to these. It is easy for politicians to hide behind statements that are attributed to scientists and experts without a careful examination of these and the consequences.
We recently had an excellent presentation by Prof Michael Kelly on “The Cost of Achieving Net-Zero in Ireland.” The most important considerations were spelt out. Then I found a glossy political presentation, “Home Energy Upgrades” in my postbox. I doubt any politician in Ireland has even glimpsed at the important work of Prof Kelly and the results of pilot projects in the UK yet these are the same people that denigrate people calling them climate deniers and telling us we must follow the science. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Why should they?
Biden’s campaign was nearly identical to Hillary’s and Obama’s campaigns where the democrats paid contractors to hold extensive focus groups in each state, then the candidate would espouse that state’s desires.
With zero intention to fulfill any campaign promise.
The delusional believe what their party’s candidate politicks.
The disbelieving are left throwing darts for which liar they believe will actually make a decent president.
What was that legendary quote about not saying anything less you might prove yourself to be an idiot? Mind you, bit late in your case given your posting history.
griff, if you go to the WUWT ‘About’ page, you’ll find this.
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What part of that do you not understand? I can type it again, but much more slowly, if that would help you.
In addition (directed to griff):
typing slowly won’t help, can you draw some cartoons?
Make it a coloring book. We are dealing with high functioning idiots.
Make sure to only use words of one syllable or less.
It was just meant to send you up.
“If this is a climate site, this article has no place here!”
Anthony decides what belongs here on his website. You know that. Not all subjects pertain to climate change on WUWT. You know that, too.
If you don’t like this particular subject, move on to the next.
Yesterday we had an article about a solar flare.
I didn’t see griff whining about that one.
I had the same thought. 🙂
Stop whining.
Griff, “The Green New Deal” is supposed to be about stopping “Climate Change”.
But it’s all about (Far) Left-wing politics.
See the connection?
You bet it belongs here! The results of the 2020 election had extremely profound effects on the policies concerning climate and fossil fuels, probably THE most important issues of the current administration. If the election was as fraudulent as the claims of the “climate woke”, that news belongs here as the highest priority.
Isn’t it amazing how this becomes a climate only site whenever we talk about things the far left would rather be kept quiet.
Phony-far left of course. These current scammers wouldn’t know left wingness if Karl Marx got in the shower with them.
I did not need that image. Where’s the mind bleach when you need it.
Hillary has some. It’s on a “clothe”.
Some things one can never unsee!
You should be happy, Griff – some of the commenters here are making you look like the voice of sane, sound reasoning.
In any case – as you have been told MANY times before – this is a SCIENCE site, not a climate site.
WUWT is a science and analysis site.
This is the first time I’ve seen griff deny a peer reviewed study.
One must note that today, he has changed his mind.
It is germane because FJB has drunk of the alarmist Kool-Aid and as soon as he was inaugurated he signed an executive order to stop the oil pipeline and re-join the Paris Agreement (actually a treaty). He is promoting the replacement of reliable electricity with intermittent sources, and electric cars for which there will be problems obtaining enough cobalt and copper, if not lithium.
The whole boondoggle with respect to so-called Climate Change is political and not about physical science, although many attempt to convince the uncommitted that science supports the politics. The irregularities of the 2020 election are extremely important with respect to the question of AGW.
“What am I signing?” — FJB
What! Am I signing?
I’m reminded of the Benny Hill comedy routine on “What is this thing called love.”
None of that mattered apparently, at least not to soft Left Australian commentator Andrew Bolt back in late 2020.
His argument was that despite the fraud (Bolt admitted there were massive irregularities) the ‘Conservative Thing’ for Trump to do was to clap politely, say ‘well played old chap’ and back away. Biden, Bolt argued, ‘deserved a chance to be President’ because Biden had used ‘Fine Words’ during the debates.
Andrew Bolt made this his clear public opinion on the matter.
And… if that had been that, then whatever. He is a media head. He lives on making public editorial.
the problem I have with Bolt is that the moment it became clear that not only was Biden mentally porridge, but it was also cool to mock him for drooling in public, Bolt jumped right onto the ‘Ho Ho Ho, Look at Biden’s latest word salad and see if you can work out what he is really saying Ho Ho’ bandwagon.
No Andrew, YOU said he had ‘Fine Words’ and despite the clear examples of irregularities, Biden should still be the next president. You loved him when Anti-Trump was cool, then the moment mocking his dribble because a ratings winner you jumped ship so fast.
Even the so called ‘Right’ media is two faced and in it for the head lines.
For people who rely on facts, not idiotic pronouncements by conservative Confederate flag pole jerkers, it’s very clear that Joe Biden is a very intelligent president, an accomplished politician and leader of over 30 years.
He does not spew word salad (the likes of which plagued nearly every Trump pronouncement, including terrible lack of ability in spelling even basic English), has had a well-known propensity to stammer which is extremely difficult to overcome but which he’s done a fine job doing with very few setbacks.
Compare with the ugly-mouthed, paunchy, morbidly obese, orange behemoth with fake hair and spray tan skin, who can barely complete a sentence without interrupting himself, turning the subject toward his own accomplishments (almost all of which are lies), and ridiculing and attacking verbally almost every opponent on a personal basis, which every intelligent person (of course, NOT right-wingers because THEY aren’t intelligent, for the most part) knows are FAILED, illogical, pointless, ad hominem attacks.
Oh, they aren’t *quite* pointless. Those 3rd grade attacks DO continue to rile up the 30% of Americans known as right-wingers toddlers / morons / dumbasses uneducated / CONNEDservatives. Trumpists in a nutshell.
Tee, you use the word “fact”, I don’t think it means what you think it means. But well done jumping again into the fray. You still are in the running for the longest and least factual comment today. Don’t be put off by the competition. I have faith you can capture the MOM to put on the shelf with all your other participation trophies.
We get it, Tee. You don’t like Trump and you don’t like conservatives.
We don’t care about your “argument”, Tee. We don’t care because it is delusional. Very delusional. You won’t be taken seriously just spewing vitriol.
This is a fact-based website. Spew some facts instead.
Tell us about his son’s laptop, We’re all ears.
“Compare with the ugly-mouthed, paunchy, morbidly obese, orange behemoth with fake hair and spray tan skin, who can barely complete a sentence without interrupting himself, turning the subject toward his own accomplishments (almost all of which are lies), and ridiculing and attacking verbally almost every opponent on a personal basis, which every intelligent person (of course, NOT right-wingers because THEY aren’t intelligent, for the most part) knows are FAILED, illogical, pointless, ad hominem attacks.”
Mr. Shanny, could you diagram this sentence for me? Start with the subject….
For someone who claims to be concerned about foul mouthed insults, Mr Shanny sure knows quite a few himself. What is it about leftists and their complete inability to live up to the standards that they demand of others.
(Heck with ability, they even lack the desire to live up to their own standards.)
I suspect a big part of Tee Shanny’s vitriol towards Trump is because he can’t pull a girlfriend, let alone one as stunning as Melania.
Shill alert…how many think “Tee” really believes this? The White House staff have their hands full “walking back” the dangerous nonsense that proceeds from the mouth of Creepy Dementia Brandon.
Here you go, Tee. Hope you feel better.
OK Tee, I had to stop at your first sentence. Anyone who claims that Joe Biden is “very intelligent” is dwelling deeply on the left hand side of the IQ bell curve.
“He does not spew word salad”?!? Have you actually watched him try to answer a question or speak extemporaneously? The man’s an advanced Alzheimer’s patient and that is plain for all to see.
“it’s very clear that Joe Biden is a very intelligent president, an accomplished politician and leader of over 30 years.”
Isn’t this the same Joe Biden that had to pull out of a Presidential race because of plagiarism? Who blamed the death of his wife and one son on a “drunk driver”, despite there being no evidence that the driver (who also died) was drunk at the time? That said “nice things” about minorities, that are properly condemned as racist? That has been wrong on every foreign policy issue in the last 50 years? That Obama himself warned us to “never underestimate [his] ability to f* things up”? That said out loud in a press conference that we wouldn’t do anything about “minor incursions” of Russia into Ukraine, and that American troops will soon be going to Ukraine to fight, and that Putin needed to be taken out of power (and thus undermine Ukraine/Russia peace talks)?
Isn’t this the same Joe Biden that always seems tired, and that says the weirdest things in answering questions, enough so that people justifiably believes he has dementia?
“… has had a well-known propensity to stammer which is extremely difficult to overcome but which he’s done a fine job doing with very few setbacks.”
As someone who stammers myself, I can’t help but notice (1) there’s no evidence of Joe’s “propensity to stammer” in the 30 years he’s been in Congress, and (2) even now, he doesn’t stammer that much, he just says weird things, and when he goes “off the script” to say things, those things can have pretty disastrous consequences internationally. This one excuse is merely an example of the MSM and people like you gaslighting us.
You omitted Biden’s fully-documented and deeply distasteful conduct towards young women and girls.
Creepy
What planet are you from?
Uranus.
You’ve gotten to the point, that I longer read your comments. I just down vote because I know that there will be nothing but hate in them.
What did Andrew Bolt have to say about the Democrats attempts to remove Trump over the 100% phony Russian Collusion scam?
I should add that the “moderators” on the Bolt site deleted my post on this paper which contained the title and the words “a peer reviewed statistical analysis of the 2020 election” five times. It really makes you wonder what is so scary about discussing this subject.
The Truth hurts sometimes.
Stephen Dinan of the Washington Times …found Biden received 255,000 excess votes.
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Nation wide?
Wisconsin’s population 2016-2020 increased
60,000 to 120,000 depending on what source
turns up on your internet search.
The number of votes for president in Wisconsin
2016-2020 increased by 450,000
In other words, the number of total votes
for president in Wisconsin increased faster
than the population by a factor of 3.9
between 2016 and 2020 or maybe 7.9
It’s kinda hard to really know.
Nation wide the number of votes cast
for president compared to the U.S.
Population was:
2012 40%
2016 40%
2020 48%
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Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin did not match signatures on the outer mail-in envelopes to the official registration records.
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Here’s what Wisconsin’s mail in vote looks like:
There isn’t an inner envelope. Who ever opens the envelope can see how the ballot was voted and who it was from. Somewhere it says that we vote by secret ballot. But that’s not true in Wisconsin if you vote by mail.
LAST LOGICAL, FACTUAL PERSON STANDING HERE!
Congrats!
Now prepare to be banned by biased, rude, weakling, mentally broken, wimpy and gun holding, fear-mongering, hate-filled, butthurt moderators who FAIL to tolerate ANY shred of Truth here.
Mods, go ahead and delete the comment above, proving you have no shred of reality, Humanity, decency or logic about you in the face of your butthurt failing insipid arguments in favor of posting something in no way REMOTELY relating to the subject of climate change, as per the alleged purpose of this website.
You see, Tee, they won’t. You are a perfect example of all that’s wrong with Demonrat libtards, and no one wants to remove such a jewel from public view. Plus, censoring, banning, and the like is what your mouth-breathing ilk indulge in, not us.
So, your are trying to insure that your redundant, emotional diatribes don’t get stopped. You have had more than enough time to make a coherent case, and you have failed. It is time for you to remove yourself from the podium. Nobody will miss you.
1) This is a CLIMATE CHANGE website.
2) This is a CLIMATE CHANGE WEBSITE.
3) THIS IS A CLIMATE CHANGE WEBSITE.
Your peer-reviewed study, the first-ever that has been brought up on this website, has no bearing on climate change.
Therefore, this is NOT a climate change website, it is a Trumpist political website.
4) Your LIE that up to 355,000 incorrect, miscounted or fraudulent votes could “affect an election” that Joe Biden WON by 7 million VOTES IS A LIE that ONLY IDIOT TRUMPISTS can believe.
5) The forgoing is 100% proof this website is partisan, 100% magical Echo Chamber trash with no validity whatsoever.
6) FYI, to repeat, for idiot non-reader, under-educated Trump BJers who stuff this site with their abjectly insipid vacuums for brains, THIS IS A HIJACKED *FORMERLY* LIES-FILLED CLIMATE CHANGE WEBSITE.
[It is sad to see how threatened you are by this article and this site. You might want to protect yourself from the mental anguish you are going through and navigate your way back to more friendly waters. . . mod]
And the moderators haven’t censored any of Tee’s rantings.
What do you think about that, Tee? The moderators just let you rant and rant.
I guess you must spew this garbage elsewhere and get banned for it, so you expect it here, too.
You probably will get banned eventually, if you don’t go away voluntarily, if all you are going to do is express your hatred. Nobody wants to hear that kind of stuff.
You’ll be given a chance to show some redeeming value, but it’s not looking good so far.
Tee does harm to whatever cause he/she/it believes it is supporting just by posting.
So much hatred, no attempt at anything resembling logic. Definitely a grad student from some kind of “Studies” program.
A few days back, I posted an article about a new graduate level program at some northeastern “college”. Love Studies, or something like that.
I wonder if Tee is part of that program.
Tee, “The Green New Deal” is supposed to be about stopping “Climate Change”.
But it’s all about (Far) Left-wing politics.
See the connection?
This and Tee’s other comments are a perfect example of TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. He should be committed or he will seriously hurt someone, mainly himself.
1) No it isn’t
2) No it isn’t
3) No it isn’t
4) The popular vote does not elect the President and is meaningless
5) Yet you are allowed to post here.
6) Your comments are juvenile and show lack of intelligence. Pot calling the kettle black.
7) Go away if you don’t like this site.
WUWT: not a safe space. 🙂
Annnnd, let’s keep it that way.
Since you seem to be only interested in climate change, and since this website has demonstrated that they are open to covering whatever subject catches its interest, it may be time for you to reconsider your reading habits.
I, for one, can’t stand it when some commenter comes to a blog — which is always a personal thing — and says “But you aren’t on topic!” The only topic for any blog is “what the blog poster finds interesting”.
Also, considering the kinds of climate articles this blog finds interesting, I somehow doubt you would have considered this blog anything other than a “Trumpist political website” even before this particular blogpost, if you had truly been paying attention all this time.
You’re a day early Tee. April Fool’s day is tomorrow. But you didn’t fool me anyway. Nobody on Earth is as stupid as you sound.
Tee…you seem to be missing something very important here. The reason we talk about climate change isn’t about debating about what the temperatures are doing or not doing, but what, if anything, as a society we should be doing about it. Like it or not that makes the election germane to this website because Biden is making energy policy which is being informed by the debate on climate change. Now…you seem like a very angry individual and my advice to you is to take a break. Go for a walk or play with a puppy, your blood pressure obviously needs it.
The climate in your head is obviously changing. I’ve never seen you post here about anything before, so that’s a big change.
You might want to fight your head’s climate change a little. Hysteria is a recognized mental illness.
It seems most people love to live in Big Brother country and not the land of The Free. Every form of direct taxation tells you you are not free.
This is just more of the same on election fraud; Republicans still have nothing they can go to court with- any court.
Tom,
As far as I know it is the first peer-reviewed and technically correct analysis of the election to be published, all the prior stuff I’ve seen was opinion or court filings. So, it isn’t more of the same.
So how many peer reviewed climate change studies have you seen that are not worth the paper they’re written on (metaphorically speaking)?
“peer reviewed climate change studies … that are not worth the paper they’re written on”
Pretty much every single climate modeling paper published since 1985.
And a good case can be made for every global air temperature record paper published since 1986.
And every single proxy paleo-temperature reconstruction paper published since any time.
All grist for future sociologists studying the psychopathology of politicized scientists.
That will be possible after sociology manages to purge itself of the wokester psychopathology of its current practitioners.
Pat- so, you would agree that just because something is peer-reviewed doesn’t mean you should accept it as significant.
Our philosophy here is generally to treat each paper based on it’s merit.
Perhaps you should try that for once.
Those papers prove that peer-review in consensus climatology stamps its approval on artful pseudoscience.
How about you, Tom? Uncritical acceptance of peer-reviewed papers?
Tom, peer-review lends a paper credibility. But the acid-test is reproducibility. Can another researcher duplicate your results independently? There are very, very few climate-science papers from the past 40 years that meet that standard, and most of them are on the skeptical side of the debate, as far as I can remember.
Not just reproducibility, Andy. Are the data of good quality? Is the analysis correct? Do the conclusions match the results?
For that last, I have Jeffrey Kiehl’s 2007 paper in mind. He wrote about model tuning to achieve offsetting parameter errors, the wide spread in model ECS, and then genuflected to the reality of AGW. An analytical nonsequitur.
Point taken, many Atmospheric Fingerprint papers have been written by many researchers, but in the end, they are still not definitive or persuasive. However, while peer-review and reproducibility are not definitive, both lend credibility to a paper. I’ll take them over news media, op-eds, books, and blog posts any day.
The courts punted, basically demanding proof of sufficient fraud before they would grant discovery, or even litigate the case.
Other courts have ruled that since the politicians elected have already been seated, any case regarding the election is now moot and won’t be heard.
What needs to happen is people who committed fraud in the 2020 election need to be investigated, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to the fullest degree. Somewhere in that process they should be offered immunity to start singing and name names.
“Oh, it’s a moot issue let’s just get on with life” is complete and total bullshit. Letting criminals off only encourages them.
And you are quite wrong, merely parroting Democrat talking points.
This has been explained to you many times. That you still cling to this frail reed is just evidence of how little you have to go on.
The Supreme Court shirked their duties by allowing changes to state election laws that were not passed by the state legislatures per the Constitution. In 2000 we had a SC that did not shirk their duties.
The Florida SC should have told the Federal SC to butt out. The Constitution is quite clear that each state manages its own electoral process.
The Constitution is also quite clear that each State is supposed to be a Republic. If a State’s Supreme Court is rejecting the State Legislature’s defined procedures for an election (which is the body the Constitution declares should be the one who manages electoral process), shouldn’t the Federal Constitution step in and require the State to stick with their processes?
Or should States be free to do whatever they want, without regard to their own laws, even when the outcome of a national election is on the line?
Each state is allowed to set up their own rules, however they need to follow their own rules.
Also whatever rules they set up must follow constitutional guidelines, such as equal protection.
As I recall it, the SCOTUS stepped in without allowing the Florida SC to adjudicate the problem. The SCOTUS is not superior to the state SCs in matters internal to the state.
You remember incorrectly. The Florida SC had adjudicated the problem, the US SC was asked to step in, in order to block the solution that the Florida SC had ordered. That being, the Florida SC ordered what the Gore campaign asked for, a selective recount in only those cities and counties that were heavily controlled by Democrats.
By a vote of 7 to 2 the US SC ruled that such a solution violated the equal protection clause of the US constitution. By a 5 to 4 vote, the US SC refused to order another full state wide recount, arguing that there wasn’t enough time left to complete such a count.
PS: Media led recounts using the standards the US SC was being asked to impose resulted in Bush winning. Indeed, every statewide recount resulted in Bush winning.
And those rules are put into law by state legislatures and are not subject to change by the courts or any other entity.
My understanding came from observation 2500 miles away. It could well be wrong.
The Court documents are here. I plan to study them.
However, in the application for a stay before the SCOTUS (531-US), I find Steven’s dissenting opinion far more convincing than Scalia’s rejoinder.
On the other hand, any ballot that is so damaged or ambiguous as to require a subjective judgment of ‘voter intent’ should be discarded. Subjective process allows far too much opportunity for prejudice.
I lived in Florida during that time period.
Pat,
The Constitution is quite clear that State Legislatures determine how the electors are appointed not the courts.
Artcile II, Section 1
“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct…”
The Florida Legislature set up dead lines by law for each county to certify the votes and send them to the State government. The Florida SC changed those dates by decree. The U. S. SC made it clear the Florida SC had no authority to do that. The lawful certification dates were adhered to, the date for the electors to vote was adhered to and the electoral votes for Florida were sent to the U.S. Senate and counted in the election.
BTW, the Constitution is also quite clear that the day the electors meet to vote in their state be the same day in every state. That is what is meant by:
“The congress may determine the Time of chusing the electors and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.” That day in 2020 was Dec 14th.
Justice Stevens, in his dissent, observed that, “It is certainly not clear that the Florida decision violated Federal law,” and that, “Its ruling was consistent with earlier Florida cases that have repeatedly described the interest in correctly ascertaining the will of the voters as paramount.”
Of paramount interest implies that rational slippage of less-than-paramount legislated due-dates is warranted if an orderly and accurate vote count requires it.
If the state vote is not certified by the legal date, the electoral votes will not count. This was the Dem plan all along, delay the certification of the state vote. The only other choice was for the Florida Sec of State to certify all counties except for the ones who were late, which were all Democrat controlled, which would than give the Dems reason to claim the outcome was illegit. The Dems were playing games with voting.
The question concerns the Florida SC, not political games.
If you’re right, the Dems should have been accused of bringing a frivolous case before the court.
The Republicans could have asked for a summary dismissal.
The court of public opinion will offer its decision in November.
I see the clapping minus monkeys are out in force, or should I say farce.
You are surprised that posting clear nonsense gets down voted?
That does seem to be a repeated pattern with you.
The other day I pointed out to someone that a grandfather clock was not a perpetual motion machine as he had claimed. I got voted down on that too. Amazing huh?
While walking away from the nonsense you posted prior to this one, ignoring the criticisms of same.
When tripped up on a previous claim, you try to change the subject. And you wonder why you get down voted.
Tom,
(I don’t downvote, only adds.)
Griff(s), Duane, Oily Bob & Simon repeatedly show their goofiness, ignorance, and bias through their comments. Enough so that people see their names and routinely expect ignorance & bias … they down vote without checking further on the content.
You have apparently gotten into the boat with Griff(s), Duane, Oily Bob & Simon, with respect to others’ perception of you. You have shown your ignorant bias to such an extent that, to some, you have lost all respect.
It is a little sad that you do not recognize this … you are so annoying in your arrogance (to some) that you could simply post “good comment” and base simple on who your are, you would get a few negatives.
(or mebbe you do recognize this, which does then lend to your annoying manner. In which case – – – – -)
Mr. W: I conclude he is a tr*ll and have said why. He simply confirms it here.
Two questions, for which no election fraud skeptic has yet been able to provide cogent answers; perhaps you can be the first:
1) Why does commercial election software store vote totals as floating-point real numbers instead of unsigned integers?
2) How is it possible that, during post-election reporting of election results, a candidate can receive negative numbers of votes, and have his/her total decrease?
Mr. .1: It used to be that election fraud was a concern for Dems. too. As for courts, you are not paying attention, WI has ruled ZuckBucks are bribes. Waste of space.
How about the prominent, fraud democrats who still say the 2016 election was invalid? MSM doesn’t talk about them, only republicans.
Interesting to see what attracts the trolls. And their ever diminishing quality.
It is difficult to imagine just what Tee expects to accomplish with his vitriol other than to disrupt the thread. He, or its employers, must be concerned about this study being treated with the respect that should be provided to John Lott.
My guess is that as well as attempting to disrupt the thread Tee had the motive of discrediting the entire site with a heads he wins tails we lose attempt to get banned.
If the admins ban him he wins because it shows the admins are censorious. If the admins don’t ban him it shows the admins are fearful. He said as much in almost those words.
And he has managed to get good people to waste their time dealing with him. In the longer term providing readers with the ability to block is probably part of the solution.
When I went to the reader view of this article it has the date as October2011. ??
In Nevada ……. 1,500 dead people voted
Is it just in Nevada where that is allowed?
There is an old joke, my father was a Republican all his life, but he’s voted Democrat ever since he died.
One of my fellow geo’s put a meme up on my office door. It was a picture of a woman crying and saying, “My father never would have voted Democrat when he was alive.”
Great article! Pile on top of this that polls clearly show that if the Hunter Biden laptop story been accurately reported and not suppressed by Twitter, CNN, NY Times, etc., Biden wouldn’t have won, even with the fraud.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/24/poll-one-in-six-biden-voters-would-have-changed-their-vote-if-they-had-known-about-scandals-suppressed-by-media/
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2022/hunter_s_laptop_from_hell_is_an_important_story_voters_say
It’s possible anyplace where the dead aren’t removed from the voter rolls, and nobody checks ID when voting.
Just think of how your ballot can be destroyed. You have no carbon copy, so how hard would it be to either destroy your ballot or replaced it?
Election fraud is possible other places also, not just involving the dead.
When Obama ran, a poll worker in Cincinnati was convicted of election fraud. She sent in an absentee ballot for herself then voted in person (she was a poll worker). She also sent in a ballot in her daughter’s name plus ballots for 3 other people she said “used to live there”.
When arrested, she said she didn’t think she did anything wrong.
Ohio requires a request with some form of proof of ID/residency for an absentee ballot be sent out.
There’s a reason why Democrats are dead set against any efforts to clear the dead and those who have moved out of district from the voting roles. It’s the same reason why they are willing to make any argument, no matter how absurd or illogical in their fight against voter ID.
BTW, of all the countries that have elections, the US is pretty much the only country in the world without some form of voter ID.
What is that sound? I can’t hear it over the roaring cacophony from the left about slapping and Ukraine.
D J T likely to be proved right again.
thanks andy. after reading some of the posts here, you are clearly over the target.
Taking a lot of flack but still flying.
Come on man – there ain’t nothing wrong with dead folks voting for old Joe – his thinking is much the same as theirs.
I would take Lott’s estimate on the cockroach principle, that what one sees is probably only a small proportion of the actual number.
Well folks. I think it’s time to admit defeat. @Tee has won me over with his air-tight logic and persuasive rhetoric. His command of the facts is beyond my comprehension. I will now go home and rest up for my job sorting recycling on the graveyard shift.
@Tee, I concede the field. You are free to go win hearts and minds elsewhere on the interwebs. Good day, sir.
Thank you. I was trying to come up with a way to really respond to “Tee” without being totally rude. The sarcasm you posted fits the bill. Unfortunately, this too will zoom right past the “Tee”. Cheers.
You say “he” like it is a guy.
It is obviously a person transitioning to a protagonist of Gaia and the Biden crime family with a yet unknown (even to it) gender affiliation. After all, there are something like 56 possibilities.
I work on a health care based information system. At present, the field that holds gender is only a single character. ‘M’, ‘F’ and ‘X’ for unknown. No not that unknown, not provided.
Anywho we are in the process of modifying this to a two byte field. Not a simple process, because every piece of code and every existing query has to checked to make sure it won’t break when we go to 2 characters. We also have to check every report that reports out gender to make it can handle a two character field and that the rest of the report still lines up properly. We are projecting several hundred hours of work for coding and testing.
Ugh, what a waste of resources.
Multiply that by all the other companies that maintain some form of demographic data on their customers or employees. (Which is pretty much all companies.)
Another thing comes when doing claims validation. In the past we could make some basic assumptions, such as if a claim was submitted for man for pregnancy services, we would deny the claim and send it back for review. Now days???
Well of course there’s always the possibility that your data is wrong. Take the Polish athlete who in 1967 was given a chromosome test and declared to be male and had her Olympic medals taken from her. About a year later she gave birth to a son, oops!
Great discussion. But the focus now needs to be focused on the 22 election and not what happened in 20. How many of these last minute changes to election laws are going to happen again? If COVID infections have an uptick this fall (as projected) will these states again sacrifice integrity of the vote for convenience (and the real possibility of fraud)?
We have to understand what happened in 2020 before we can prevent the same kind of cheating in 2022.
I’d like to see an investigation right to the rock bottom of the 2020 fraud. And those who conspired jailed and the rest publicly shamed.
In the last NY Mayor race a far left candidate was on a radio show and I heard the clip saying how everyone knew the democrat party runs the election and he had no chance. I laughed at that one.
How about felony convictions for election fraud to disbar them from running for a public office?
How about disbarred and jailed, both, Clyde? I’d settle for that.
Well, the COVID scare has been muted but is being kept alive. For the midterms? Maybe. If that is the case then expect state election laws to again be violated.
(Though in the last election they only needed to target a few places in a few states to swing the Electoral College. This will be tougher unless Dominion Voting Machines are relied upon.)
I got these figures from the My Pillow Guy:
Arizona
Margin of victory = 10,000 votes; Illegal or questionable votes = 660,892
Michigan
Margin of victory = 147,000 votes; Illegal or questionable votes = 633,227
Nevada
Margin of victory = 34,000 votes; illegal or questionable votes = 212,508
Pennsylvania
Margin of victory = 68,000 votes; illegal or questional votes = 866,284
Wisconsin
Margin of victory = 20,000 votes; illegal or questionable votes = 400,000
Georgia
Margin of Victory = 10,000 Votes; illegal or questionable votes = 1,507,146
So you see there are a lot of questionable votes in the 2020 election, at least according to the My Pillow Guy. The problem is we can’t tell who those questionable votes were cast for at this stage.
Republicans will be paying much closer attention next time.
Please, make no mischaracterization: this is NOT “voter fraud” — that is, a fraudulent voter/vote here and there — rather, most likely, as probabilistically demonstrated, this is full-blown, party-driven, politically-motivated INDUSTRIAL GRADE “ELECTION FRAUD“.
Just exactly what is it about election month that perturbs you?
The county-by-county analysis done by Seth Keshel was eye-opening.
https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/election-analysis-by-seth-keshel/
In Colorado (100% mail-in ballots, Dominion machines), the Secretary of State erased all the electronic files for the 2020 election in May 2021, in complete contravention of Federal and State election laws.
https://freedomizerradio.com/2022/03/12/two-colorado-county-clerks-sue-deceitful-secretary-of-state-jena-griswold-ask-court-for-permission-to-use-their-saved-voting-machine-data-to-see-if-griswold-illegally-meddled-with-machines/
Just yesterday, the Arizona Attorney General referred the Secretary of State for election law crimes:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/just-arizona-attorney-general-mark-brnovich-refers-criminal-action-az-secretary-state-katie-hobbs-election-crimes/
In Wisconsin a judge ordered the Assembly Speaker held in contempt for failing to disclose emails about his investigation into the 2020 election:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/wissconsin-judge-orders-vos-held-contempt-election-records/
Thanks Monte, great links. It seems that some of the people who violated election laws will be arrested and tried. The story about the Arizona Secretary of State is very interesting.
People have been worried/predicting that AZ was going to just sweep it all under the carpet, which has now been shown to be not true.
And if we include the massive disinformation campaign waged on Biden’s behalf by the mainstream media …
And the efforts of Zuckerburg to get Biden elected:
https://citizensunitedmovies.com/
Besides the irregularities of election engineering due to Covid, (which is extremely questionable) and just plain old general dirty election cheating as we saw on live TV, there was also a type of ‘legal’ rigging of the election in the suppression the Hunter Biden laptop scandal.
50 Intelligence officers signed off on that just prior to the election (Oct 22) that it was Russian dis-information and was actively suppressed by social media like Twitter/Facebook et al, and no cable/network TV covered it except for Fox News. Only the New York Post published a front page report on this, which was also mocked and suppressed that this story was complete fake news.
Had only that information about Hunter Biden’s laptop and his connection to his father as a presidential candidate been honestly covered, (and a participant in the crimes being committed) that alone would have led to President Trump have being re-elected as many Democrats say they would not have voted for Biden. Given the general weakness of the Biden win, and in only a handful of counties in 6 swing states that made his win possible, this would have made a material difference to election outcome. Even AG Bill Barr agrees with that. And this doesn’t even include dirty money like Mark Zuckerberg into select swing states and counties to take over parts of the actual election process.
Stolen elections have consequences, as we now see the good Earth devolve into madness because of the Biden Chaos. It would have been a different world had President Trump had a level playing field in the basic honesty of the citizenry having access to the truthful reporting of the news.
The 2020 election was rigged on so many levels, and yet barely just squeaked out a ‘win’ for Biden. I do believe that history will reflect what really happened, and how this influenced events to this very day. Which is turning into a total global catastrophe.
People voted out an unlikable, but very competent and honest guy who wrote mean tweets and elected a corrupt, but likeable buffoon. Now we face a possible third world war, the worst inflation in decades, China on the march in the Southern Pacific, regulatory strangulation of critical fossil fuel energy …
I might add that Trump was not a career politician but an outsider who did not need the swamp’s money. He and anyone else like him are a threat to the career politicians and their corruption. Because the American people rally around someone like Trump, they can never allow an outsider to be elected again. They will support each other in this endeavor no matter what they must do and no matter which side of the isle they are on.
Exactly. I lump Mitt Romney and Liz Chaney in with the establishment.
I did not need this mental image.
I’d not think Biden is personally likeable. Clarence Thomas mentioned he’d had to hold his tongue during his confirmation hearing when exposed to Biden’s incoherent rant.
Scott Adams was invited to the Oval Office and met Trump personally. In this video he talks about Trump in person. He is apparently very likeable.
Absolutely true, I remember the Thomas hearings, Biden was a total @$$-hat attack mongrel. When Barry O made him veep, my first thought was “this has to be for impeachment insurance, no way that idiot could ever be president.”
I suspect that one-on-one Trump is likable, most very successful people are. But his public persona I found objectionable, and his tweets were awful. He badly needed some of the charm that Reagan had. But all that said, he was incredibly smart, an effective manager, and a terrific foreign policy President. Let us never forget, there was not even a foreign policy debate in 2020 because there were no foreign policy problems! Now 18 months later …
Maybe Trump just gave as good as he got, Andy. He was vilified like no other president in living memory, not even Richard Nixon.
Trump was and still is attacked from every side.
Trump’s natural inclination is to attack back harder than he was attacked, and he usually goes for the personal if he really wants to hurt someone and he has a special ability to know just what that most hurtful little something is for his opponents (like John McCain’s pride in his war record), and he lays out their foibles/the truth in public for all to see.
It’s not pretty but you know what you are going to get if you attack Trump. If you don’t like being humiliated, then leave Trump alone because he will tell the truth on you.
“People voted out an unlikable, but very competent and honest guy who wrote mean tweets and elected a corrupt, but likeable buffoon.”
I’m constantly reminded of Chamberlain and Churchill. More so now with what’s going on in Ukraine.
Let’s remember that even “likable” is questionable: he has said and done some particularly nasty things as Senator and VP.
He’s only “likable” if you like that kind of nastiness.
Further he is as corrupt as they come.
Nobody would come off as likable given the lies the media told about Trump on a daily basis.
Good point.
“People voted out an unlikable……”
He was only disliked by the swamp critters including the RINOs. The people who actually care for the US loved, and still do, him. He risked his personal wealth and freedoms for MAGA!
Yes, I love it when the leftwing press talks about a subject and calls it controversial, like the education law DeSantis just signed into law. What they really mean is it is controversial to the Left.
The Left always assumes they represent the majority of people in the United States, but if you go by the polls, only about 40 percent or less of the population is hard-core Democrat. That’s the number that currently supports Biden, so they have to be the hard-core base because those are the only ones who would support such a stupid man as Joe Biden and the damage he has done to the United States in a few short months.
So no, the Left does not represent the majority of Americans. The real number is about 40 percent or less.
30+ years ago I worked 2nd shift. Not much on TV back then … and I followed politics more closely back then. I watched a lot C-SPAN. I say a lot of reruns of Senate and House hearings. Schumer (in House then), Lee, Biden, Ted Kennedy, etc. I saw Brandon in his prime. I didn’t like him then. I don’t like him now. (Though I do feel sorry for him. He’s lost his marbles in his pudding.)
I don’t like Biden, either, and never have
I saw Biden in a video taken about 10 years ago, and the difference between him then and now was striking. Ole Joe is going down fast. He’s barely maintaining. He should be removed from office for his inability to carry out his office/dereliction of duty.
Republicans should impeach Biden as soon as they take over the House.
This might send a message to Kamala to rein in her ambitions and move a little closer to the center, and if it doesn’t, then impeach her, too. And don’t worry about what the Leftwing press says about it.
It’s time to fix America’s problems and Biden and Harris are two of the main ones at this time. The whole radical Democrat Party comes in third. They all need to be ousted from power ASAP.
I can’t say that I ever found FJB to be likeable. I found him to be creepy. His propensity for inappropriately touching females and smelling their hair should even give a Democrat pause. He has a reputation for getting angry when someone asks a tough question. Not the kind of personality one wants in someone who is constantly followed by someone carrying the ‘nuclear football.’ Our present situation with the highest inflation rate in 40 years, unprecedented fuel prices, a supply chain problem that hasn’t been addressed adequately, and his handlers constantly having to walk back his off-script comments speak to more than being a buffoon.
Sorry, I don’t find Biden likeable. Never have. Not in 1972 and not now.
Irregularities, fraud, misinformation, and disinformation determine democratic progress in our ostensibly first-world nation. Demos-cracy, democracy are aborted in darkness and at the Twilight Fringe (i.e. emanations from penumbras).
Welcome to 3rd world voting. When the end wanted by the few justifies the means a nation is in its last stages. Every year I say the “This is the most important election ever.” and every year it is true. As far as I can see 2022 is make or break for the draining of the swamp and the continuation of elections that are not predetermined.
You don’t want to look do you 😉
When I first became interested in this, I went to this website and reviewed a lot of their data. It mostly looked like individual voters committing acts of fraud on their own. I haven’t seen anything to convince me that it is anything else.
Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation
You’re opinion of one web site, early on in the investigation is definitive and therefore everything else is to be ignored.
Keeping an open mind isn’t your forte, is it.
Mr. W: Sometimes, his mind is so open, he comments and then researches, and comes back to tell us he’s now looked into it. His forte is gaslighting, and he’s not good at that.
“An actual conspiracy to commit widespread fraud would be very hard to conceal.”
With regards to this point, (1) no one is claiming conspiracy to commit widespread fraud — the fraud happened in about six States, and one or two counties per State, and (2) even then, we don’t consider it that well-concealed.
“Republicans have failed to produce anything but circumstantial evidence of meaningful fraud”
Circumstantial evidence isn’t something to shake a stick at — indeed, people have justifiably been convicted of murder with nothing but circumstantial evidence, and what’s more, the alternative — eye witness evidence — is also known to be fairly unreliable in and of itself. Furthermore, there’s been plenty of evidence, including video showing poll workers being denied the ability to watch the counting, and eye-witness testimony to irregularities, that are being ignored (and in some cases outright censored by Big Tech) — so “only circumstantial evidence” is a ridiculous claim to make, too.
Democrats who say that Republicans “need to produce some real evidence” have simply refused to open their eyes. I have no reason to believe they are sincerely interested in examining the possibility of fraud, and considering that they want to take away as many voting safeguards as possible — and that they want to do this nationally — forces me to conclude that they want to make cheating universal.
Nothing is hard to conceal, when nobody is permitted to look.
In more than one state, election officials are refusing to release records.
It’s to find anything when you refuse to look.
I take it you didn’t actually read the article, since it presents much of this evidence that you keep claiming doesn’t exist.
I’m down-voting you for items 5 & 6 primarily. “Republicans” don’t individually have the power and authority to obtain prosecutable evidence. There are organizations such as the Department of Justice and the FBI, and Congress, that have the organizational tools and experience to search for evidence and none have been willing to do so. Thus, there is no evidence. Had any of the responsible agencies done a diligent search for evidence and not found any, it may have removed the cloud over the legitimacy of the election. However, nobody wanted to touch the accusations. Wouldn’t it have been in the best interests of the country to do an investigation? So, why didn’t they? And don’t give me a circular answer of there not being any evidence!
It is good of you to explain your disagreement. In general crimes require more concrete evidence than statistical voting anomalies. Often there are witnesses or physical evidence, which cannot be ignored. Nothing is ever going to happen because of voting “irregularities”. Where are the elected Republican office holders and voting officials who have come forward with credible complaints? I’m sorry if this seems circular, but as the saying goes “politics ain’t beanbags”. It’s going to take something a bit more real than the complaints of one Donald Trump who tried his best to brow-beat everyone he could to change things and it didn’t work. None of the court cases that were brought got anywhere; why is that? On top of this, you have a coterie of completely blinkered and credulous people like the ones on this thread who swallow the stolen election line without question. I am not some left-wing goof ball, and I have probably voted for more Republicans for POTUS than most of the people criticizing me. I was born at night too, but not last night.
Because the courts nearly always took the easy way out and declared the plaintiffs to not have legal standing.
There was tons and tons of evidence presented at the state legislators, obviously you didn’t pay any attention.
There have been hundreds of credible complaints. The article which you have yet to read documented 10’s of thousands of instances of illegal voting. It’s a lot more than complaints from Trump, as you well know, however you have to minimize the complaints of those who disagree with since you are still incapable of actually addressing, much less refuting the facts being presented.
If you find that your bank account doesn’t balance, and it isn’t your fault, then you have a problem. It is time to escalate and have an auditor or bank examiner find the reason.
Donald Trump isn’t the only one complaining. However, whenever the MSM even bothers to deal with the issue, they say things like “unsupported” or simply accuse the person of lying. It is difficult to know where the truth lies when obvious irregularities aren’t investigated, and the Fourth Estate insults those who dare raise the question of possible fraud.
“It’s going to take something a bit more real than the complaints of one Donald Trump who tried his best to brow-beat everyone he could …”
Why is that? If a woman goes to the police to file a complaint about being raped, do the police ask for witnesses or all the evidence necessary for a conviction before accepting the complaint? No! If there appears to be reasonable evidence that a crime has been committed, the police have an obligation to investigate. The problem seems to be that there are no ‘Election Police.’
I predict this paper will get little, if any, mention in the MSM.
It will get less mention than the fact that Hunter Biden’s laptop turned out to be real and contained e-mails implicating Biden in decades of corruption.
Voting is one of the most important rights we have, and we do nothing to protect the validity. I can’t wait for the Republicans and Independents to own all branches of government so we can start fixing problems like this.
I can’t wait for the Republicans and Independents to own all branches of government so we can start fixing problems like this.
Hopefully it’s a new breed of Republicans. They’ve never been effective in the past under the same circumstances. At least not for a long time.
The most egregious aspect of the whole debacle is that the courts uniformly declared the complaints had no standing because there was no evidence presented along with the complaint.
All Hell would break loose if a woman went to the police with a complaint of being raped, and was turned away without investigating, based on the excuse that she couldn’t provide the name, address, DOB, and social security number of the assailant.
The fact that FJB and the DNC were not anxious to clear the cloud hanging over the legitimacy of the election, so that FJB could declare that he was operating with a mandate, suggests to me that they knew full well what would crawl out into the daylight if they started overturning rocks.
And there is this today about CTCL and Zuckerbucks:
https://slaynews.com/news/evidence-mark-zuckerberg-350m-election-spend-helped-democrats-win-2020/
And Simon the Shill mocked me when I brought the subject of CTCL in front of his face.
“In Pennsylvania and other states, numerous voters trying to vote in person were told they had already voted absentee, suggesting that someone else had voted using their name”
A more likely explanation is that the same person was trying to illegally vote twice. And given the data we already have of *confirmed* fraudulent voting, they were also more likely to be voting for Trump.
Cite, mr. sockpuppet?
Trump told his supporters to mail their vote but to check it by also voting in person, if their vote had been counted then they wouldn’t be able to vote in person.
This paper doesn’t prove anything. On top of which it is biased towards finding evidence of democratic fraud. Note that the author states:
“the results are equally consistent with vote fraud in Republican counties and the destruction of Democrat absentee ballots. But no allegations of such fraud have been made for Republican counties.”
so in other words if somebody had alleged that republicans had been destroying ballots to favour Trump then this analysis would prove it as well. And any analysis that can prove that either Trump cheated or Biden cheated clearly doesn’t prove anything.
It is also worth noting the large selection bias involved in the study. Lott starts by stating that “I gathered precinct-level data for Fulton County and four Republican-majority counties that border it wherein no allegations of fraud” so again he his choosing which precincts to compare and not surprisingly there is a difference in voting behaviour between counties that voted for Trump and counties that voted for Biden. And given that the counties are different is it surprising that they preferred to vote in different ways — Trump voters were told repeatedly that mail-in ballots were fraudulent while Biden votes were told that they were a safe and secure way of voting. Given these different messages is it surprising that the voters in each county voted differently?
Another shill weighs in…yawn.
This nonsensical post has nothing to do with climate or science. Please keep this political crap off this very useful website.
I thought statistics was a science. They are the bread and butter of the model-makers, are they not?
The article fits in with the mission statement of this site too bad that distresses you so much.
About the only thing this WUWT website is “useful” for is the dissemination of anti-science propaganda to so-called “skeptical” sheep.
Oh the irony is deep today.
You could also look here for more evidence https://frankspeech.com/
Thanks for this. It just adds Truth to Mike Lindell’s efforts, computer experts, and videos. There is ABSOLUTELY no denying the extent of voter fraud in the 2020 election, and it has most likely been ongoing for several elections (my opinion).
There’s also the place in Georgia where ballot box stuffing was caught on a security camera. There was a claim of a gas leak so everyone had to leave. But not everyone left. On the video you can see there’s one table with a black cloth over it. After the poll workers are out, a box is taken from under that table, ballots taken from it and run through the counting machine.
Election fraud in plain sight.
How about the county in Michigan that recorded (IIRC) two votes for Trump and one of those voters said he knew there had to be more because he knew everyone in his family eligible to vote had voted for Trump?
In the 2016 election in one of the primaries, a similar event was caught on video of poll workers shoving a whole bunch of ballots into one of the boxes. Had to ensure Hillary got the nomination. (Nevermind the DNC shenanigans in awarding Hillary more delegates after some primaries where Sanders won the vote.)
There have been many cases of local elections where the winner’s number of votes were larger than the population of people in the town, county etc they were running in for the office.
Election fraud exists at all levels of elections in the USA but is rarely investigated, and even less often is there any prosecution for it.
This is the abstract from the study (emphasis mine- how can this be considered compelling evidence).
This study reports three tests measuring vote fraud in the 2020 US presidential election, although they provide inconsistent evidence. To isolate the impact of a county’s vote-counting process and potential fraud on candidates’ vote margins, I first compare voting precincts in a county with alleged fraud to adjacent precincts in neighboring counties with no allegations of fraud. I compute the differences in President Trump’s vote shares on absentee ballots in those adjacent precincts, controlling for the differences in his vote shares on ballots cast in person. I also control for registered voters’ demographics and compare data for the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections. When I examine Georgia and Pennsylvania separately, weak evidence of vote fraud on absentee ballots is found. However, combining the samples produces significant results and implies at least 10,000 additional votes for Biden in Pennsylvania’s Alleghany and Georgia’s Fulton counties. I then apply the same method to provisional ballots in Alleghany County, where, contrary to state law, voters were allowed to correct alleged defects in absentee ballots by submitting provisional ballots on Election Day. My analysis finds that such permission contributed to a statistically significant additional 6,700 votes for Biden. Finally, vote fraud can show up as artificially larger voter turnouts. Fraud can take many forms: higher rates of filling out absentee ballots for people who hadn’t voted, dead people voting, ineligible people voting, or even payments to legally registered people for their votes. The estimates for Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin combined indicate an average of 255,000 excess votes for Biden.
This is from page 8 of the report (emphasis mine) So, the Trump undervote could be zero or 11.53 percent. This is not the stuff of which overturning elections is made of.
The empirical results imply an unusual drop-off in Trump’s share of the absentee ballots for Fulton County, which ranges from zero to 11.53 percentage points. Given that 145,267 absentee ballots were cast for Trump and Biden in Fulton County, the largest estimate of 11.53 equals approximately 16,749 votes, which is 32% more than Biden’s margin of victory over Trump
Still running away from points put to you.
No surprise.
Five states Trump winning by wider margin immediately “stopped counting” at mindnight, only to resume 3 hours later with Biden ahead with 100,000 ballots coming in at 90% for Biden during that “not counting” period.
That, right there, is fking proof. Anyone who said Biden won is a naive loser.
It’s extremely disappointing to see so many people completely blinded by the truth because of their politics.
Tribalism now trumps science, authentic evidence, data and facts for BOTH sides:
Indisputable corruption perpetrated by Trump and those on his side:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/80894/#80938
Indisputable corruption used AGAINST Trump:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/80894/#80939
Incredibly, instead of people being able to recognize the blatantly obvious corruption in both cases, most people can only see the corruption in 1 of those cases……while being convinced that the other case was based on real truth……..totally based on their political affiliation.
A person’s political affiliation now determines what the truth is. Not just in all things politics but science and even in the most extreme cases of their own party’s abhorrent corruption and DIS/MIS information campaign’s.
Want to know a person’s view on the election of 2020?
Just ask them what party they are from.
Or the election of 2016 and the Mueller investigation?
Your guy won? It was fair and legit.
Your guy/gal lost? It was rigged or fraud or colluding with Russia caused it.
Want to know what a person’s view is on the vaccine or COVID(science and medicine)?
Good chance their political affiliation is all you need to know!
Want to know a person’s view on the fake climate crisis?
Political affiliation is the biggest determinant of the view NOT the authentic science!
“A person’s political affiliation now determines what the truth is. Not just in all things politics but science”
I would say this is not the case when it comes to climate science. Too many Republicans believe in this human-caused climate change scam. They are just like Democrats when it comes to this subject. Climate Change Cluelessness crosses party lines.
I agree with that Tom.
The ratio of those bamboozled in a sample of 100 is a function of party affiliation.
I agree with that, Mike. 🙂
Having read the “down thread” and seen some pretty strong reactions, it seems this statistical project has rattled a threesome of individuals beyond all reason. They are just the tip of a politically nervous “ice burg” that has to have some serious misgivings about the election outcome, and elections to come. They are representations of a core of political extremists who, incredibly, have screwed their thinking into believing Joe Biden is doing a good job. These three are unable to stand the unsettling implications of the inquiry and therefore revealing their extreme nervousness about the election. I think they do protest WAY too much, and it is very informative. Informative as a warning, anything is possible when this level of agitation is in play. Let’s hope none of them are in a high place of authority or responsibility.