Michael Mann Appeals to, Then Ignores Scientific Consensus on 60 Minutes

By James Taylor from Climaterealism.com

Prominent scientist and climate activist Michael Mann appealed to an asserted scientific consensus to chastise President Donald Trump on CBS’s 60 Minutes program last night. Ironically, Mann himself ignored clear scientific consensus in order to promote his own, out-of-the-mainstream climate change theories.

While interviewing Mann, CBS’s Scott Pelley said, “There have always been fires in the West. There have always been hurricanes in the East. How do we know that climate change is involved in this?” Pelley followed up with, “The president says about climate change, ‘Science doesn’t know.’”

Replied Mann, “The president doesn’t know, and he should know better. He should know that the world’s leading scientific organizations, our own U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and national academies of every major industrial nation, every scientific society in the United States that’s weighed in on the matter. This is a scientific consensus. There’s about as much scientific consensus about human-caused climate change as there is about gravity.”

Mann’s description of the conclusions of the “scientific consensus” however, is exactly the opposite of what scientific bodies report.

As documented in Climate at a Glance: Hurricanes, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) expresses “low confidence” in any connection between climate change and changes in hurricane activity.

Similarly, as documented in Climate at a Glance: U.S. Wildfires, U.S. wildfires are much less frequent and severe than they were in the first half of the 20th century – 100 years of global warming ago. Moreover, the IPCC reports a decrease in drought conditions – which is the primary climate factor regarding wildfires – in the global region including the U.S. West. Moreover, the IPCC finds no evidence of an increase in drought globally, either.

Ultimately, data, evidence, and scientific facts are far more indicative of scientific truth than a real or imagined consensus of scientists. Yet, to the extent Michael Mann wishes to invoke consensus as a scientific argument, the clear consensus of scientists is that Mann is promoting extreme climate theories that have no basis in reality.

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October 5, 2020 12:06 pm

Mr. Taylor’s comments are correct. If you wish to see the actual science on the topics of global warming and wildfires/hurricanes, please go here: http://www.mikesmithenterprisesblog.com/2020/10/when-it-comes-to-global-warming.html

Bill Powers
October 5, 2020 12:11 pm

“…our own U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and national academies of every major industrial nation, every scientific society in the United States that’s weighed in on the matter. ”

These organizations have something more intimately in common than a consensus. Government Funding. Without a problem, funding goes away. Jobs are in jeopardy.

Therefore, I consent because I want to keep my job so yeah Global warm…ahh climate change. Just tell me what you need me to say today. This popularity contest called consensus is no more complicated than government purchased affirmations.

John
Reply to  Bill Powers
October 5, 2020 2:45 pm

reminds me of “Peer Review” where it has been proven you can toss $100 to a board, and get “Peer Reviewed” tagged to whatever you want to publish, regardless of how inaccurate or simply wrong they may be.

Bill Powers
Reply to  John
October 6, 2020 11:49 am

Unless you wish to publish real science that contradicts the narrative John. Throwing money at a paper that contradicts the narrative of: “Man Bad because fossil fuel. CO2 causing end of days maybe in 12 years possible 50 years. Need Government to stop evil man and save planet. Stop.” But to you point, what an absolute joke a once valid scientific review process has become.

If you back real science with a bribe to a peer review process the GovMint will just double your bribe to hide the truth. I have to laugh every time a Soros troll sitting on comment boards jumps on with “Oh Yeah! Peer Review.” What a joke. I would put more trust in Mad Magazine than I would in the nebulous government funded “Peer Review Process”

ResourceGuy
October 5, 2020 12:29 pm

Thanks you for the follow up information and perspective. I love this site.

Mumbles McGuirck
October 5, 2020 12:39 pm

The problem is Mikey Mann is their “go to guy”. He always delivers alarmist soundbites, is always confident, and is willing to sling mud at opponents (especially Trump). He’s Bill Nye without a bow tie.
So they will always turn to him when they need to hit the alarm button. That
he is a poor scientist, a petty litigious child, and a liar matters not a whit.

Steve Case
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
October 5, 2020 2:47 pm

He’s Bill Nye without a bow tie.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Good one!

Greg
Reply to  Steve Case
October 5, 2020 3:10 pm

Bill Nye ( the science lie ) is NOTHING without the tie. He’s a clown, a childrens’ TV caricature of a scientist.

The oddball bow tie is meant to suggest that he’s a bit eccentric and thus a “real” madcap professor.

Apparently children find him “entertaining”.

Carlton Yee
Reply to  Greg
October 5, 2020 8:56 pm

I learned when a young squirt that I should never trust a man who wears a bow tie. He is a certifiable nut case.

Sara
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
October 5, 2020 3:10 pm

He needs to get the beard back on his mug. Seriously, it does make a difference when he doesn’t have it.

And he’s coming off as being whiny about the whole climate science thing, since he doesn’t have any real targets to attack. So he goes after dTrump. That’s just kind of lame.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Sara
October 5, 2020 4:14 pm

That’s not a beard on his mug but a misplaced merkin.

Our dear Shakespearean English is so depauperate bland since the SJW SJNetwsorks.

Sara
Reply to  Sara
October 6, 2020 5:28 pm

Oh, don’t give up! Just because they haven’t gotten out of kindergarten by the age of 18 doesn’t mean you have to mingle with them, you know. To them, someone using words of more than one syllable is a space alien. But not all of them are like that. I do know a few whose brains are fastened in properly and whose minds are not shredded by being told to conform.

October 5, 2020 12:41 pm

Seems that climate change, accounting for those devastating forest fires, is only occurring in CA, OR, and WA.

The other forests located throughout the other 47 states are successfully avoiding climate change !!!

Lance Flake
Reply to  Ronald Stein
October 5, 2020 2:39 pm

The media doesn’t want to cover the other states but I can assure you Colorado is having a big fire season as well. And just like on the West coast, natural climate change has little to do with it compared to government policies like decades of fire suppresion.

leowaj
Reply to  Ronald Stein
October 5, 2020 8:47 pm

Interestingly, the DNR where I live (in the Midwest) just did it’s brush clearing pass over the last 4 days in all the forests and timber along the trails. It’s amazing how far you can see into a forest when the dry dead underbrush is cleared away.

Mumbles McGuirck
October 5, 2020 12:46 pm

The 60 Minutes piece was very shallow too. That there were big wildfires this year and an active Hurricane season plus two years ago one high temperature reading tied an old record and it’s Thermageddon. Doesn’t take much these days to make an ‘existential threat’s.

niceguy
October 5, 2020 12:49 pm

He seems decrepit, used. He aged decades!

Scarface
Reply to  niceguy
October 5, 2020 2:07 pm

He sure is getting old very quickly. Probably because of global warming.
The picture of him for this item, on the homepage, made me think of Gollum!

‘My precious’, would that be a hockey stick? lol

philincalifornia
Reply to  Scarface
October 5, 2020 2:37 pm

There was some discussion of this on another thread this past weekend and the ….. wait for it ….. consensus was for Grima Wormtongue.

Derg
Reply to  Scarface
October 5, 2020 2:57 pm

I always thought Mosh was Gollum clutching his temp data crying “my precious.”

Then he moved on to contract tracing.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Derg
October 5, 2020 5:07 pm

The instructive part was that Gollum was necessary for destroying the ring

Just like Mann will one day be the death of alarmism as he is such a sewer sleazeball

Loving Steyn’s book

Gary Ashe
October 5, 2020 12:53 pm

Thats how Marxists roll, they infiltrate and infest all reputable organisations fast track their fellow journey men to the top ranks and make the organisation worthless, they speak on behalf of their members without even trying to gauge opinion because most of their members will not agree with their marxist anti capitalist view points or consensus as they lie to call it.

They cover all their bases by expelling anyone who dares to openly differ from them, its a bullet-less war, and in ways more destructive than armed conflict, just loo at the WHO and the lefts drive to fill the care homes full of corona virus so that it had maximum impact on lives lost, how is that any different than shooting or bombing people.

People like Mann .. you now the really really nice people are scum….. deadly scum at that.

Joel O'Bryan
October 5, 2020 1:04 pm

Wow! Michael Mann, the proven liar, lies again. I’m shocked.

Zigmaster
October 5, 2020 1:05 pm

When it comes to alarmism I believe in Mann made up climate theory but not in man made climate theory.

Tom in Florida
October 5, 2020 1:08 pm

I saw that James Hansen was going to be on. I didn’t watch because I didn’t want to blow my aortic dilation out. Was he on this same program?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 6, 2020 6:03 am

Yes, Hansen was also interviewed on the program He spouted the same old BS (Bad Science).

Hansen and Mann think forest fires in California and hurricanes in the Atlantic are proof that humans are changing the climate with their burning of fossil fuels. The only problem with that argument is there were forest fires in California and hurricanes in the Atlantic long before humans started burning fossil fuels.

It’s Mother Nature driving the Earth’s climate, until proven otherwise, and Hansen and Mann and the other alarmists have not proven anything. Everything they say is speculation and hyperbole with the aim of selling their Human-caused climate change narrative.

And they both looked so sincere in spreading this disinformation. I don’t know about Mann, he may just be stupid enough to believe his own lies, but Hansen ought to know better, so I think he is a deliberate liar.

After all, it’s Hansen’s US surface temperature chart I use:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

all the time to show it was just as warm in the 1930’s as it is today, and Hansen has to acknowledge this fact, but then he goes off and claims the global temperature profile is completely different from the Hansen 1999 US chart. You can compare the differences in the link above. The US surface temperature chart is on the left and the Bogus, Bastardized Modern-era Hockey Stick global temperature chart is on the right.

He has to know this doesn’t make sense. If the whole globe is warming, then it will warm every place on the globe including the United States. But the U.S. is in a temperature downtrend, and has been for decades, so in order to sell his narrative he claims the regional U.S. chart is different from the global surface temperature chart.

He is right in the sense that the global temperature chart is different from the regional U.S. temperature chart. The global chart is also different from regional temperature charts from around the world, which all look like the U.S. chart, not the Bogux, Bastardized Modern-era Hockey Stick global surface temperature chart. The Hockey Stick chart is the only chart in the world that shows a “Hotter and hotter and hotter” temperature profile. All the regional charts show the same profile as the Hansen 1999 chart where it was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century as it is today. The Hockey Stick chart is the only chart that doesn’t agree with that temperature profile.

The reason the Hockey Stick chart doesn’t resemble regional temperature charts is because the Climategate Charlatans and their Spawn realized that in order to sell their Human-Caused Climate Change narrative they had to get rid of the warm Early Twentieth Century. If they didn’t do that, then they couldn’t claim that we are currently experiencing unprecedented warming today and they couldn’t blame CO2 for this unprecedented warming because there is no unprecedented warming.

But if it was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century as it is today, then they couldn’t make the claim that we are experiencing unprecedented warming today, and they couldn’t blame the temperatures on CO2 because we would have more CO2 in the atmosphere today, but it would be no warmer than when there was a lot less CO2 in the atmosphere back in the 1930’s.

The Early Twentieth Century warming destroys the Human-caused Climate Change claims and so the Climategate Charlatans and their Spawn decided the only thing they could do was create a computer-generated global surface temperature record that distorted the true temperature profile of all the regional charts and turned them into a Bogux, Bastadized global surface temperature chart which makes it appear that the Earth has been getting hotter and hotter and hotter for decade after decade and we are now at the hottest time in human history.

And it’s all a BIG LIE. All unmodified regional charts from around the world have the same temperature profile as the US surface temperature profile, where it was just as warm in the 1930’s as it is today. None of them show unprecedented warming.

If all regional surface temperature charts from around the world show the same temperature profile, then that *is* the global temperature profile.

The computer-generated Hockey Stick chart is a lie that is wreaking terrible damage around the world.

One day there will be a consensus that the Hockey Stick chart was a lie.

October 5, 2020 1:12 pm

Come on mann…you know the thing…..that hockey puck graph of yours was mann-ufactured….mann up and stop this nonsense.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  T. C. Clark
October 5, 2020 2:02 pm

Not to mention mann-ipulated.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
October 5, 2020 2:34 pm

You mean Mann-splained.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  T. C. Clark
October 5, 2020 4:23 pm

FYI: “Marlarkey” is Dementia Joe’s go to word there for nonsense.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 5, 2020 4:27 pm

“malarkey”, sigh spell-check doesn’t work on that word.

Thomas
October 5, 2020 1:13 pm

Funny how climate change is always worst in an election year.

rah
Reply to  Thomas
October 5, 2020 1:43 pm

And homeless vets usually reappear in the news about this time. Their problem is that the Trump administration has really made great strides with the quality and quantity of care for veterans and they don’t want to go there.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  rah
October 5, 2020 2:10 pm

Too bad the People’s Republic of Massachusetts hasn’t done so well with vets. They run a home for vets in Holyoke where a very high percentage have died from Covid. The guy running the place, like most with state jobs, was a political hack with zero medical experience! They did everything wrong there. I believe it had about the worst record of any such place in the nation. The governor tried to fire the guy- but the court system said only the board of directors could do so- so he’s now off duty with full pay. This state is so f****d up!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 5, 2020 4:20 pm

2 indicted for handling of virus outbreak at Massachusetts veterans home where 76 died
“Two former leaders of a Massachusetts home for aging veterans where nearly 80 people sickened by the coronavirus died have been criminally charged for their handling of the outbreak, the state’s attorney general said Friday. Former Holyoke Soldiers’ Home Superintendent Bennett Walsh and former Medical Director David Clinton were indicted by a grand jury, Attorney General Maura Healey told reporters.
Each is charged with 10 counts – five counts of criminal neglect five counts of serious bodily injury.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-holyoke-soldiers-home-deaths-2-charged/

Abolition Man
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 5, 2020 6:05 pm

Joel,
Hopefully just the first of many such indictments, with some for well deserving governors and mayors!
I’m hoping President Trump spent a lot of time during his three day visit to Walter Reed researching what the rest of the world has done to handle the ChiCom virus and he will now push Fauxi to the sidelines and let Dr. Atlas start aggressively pushing back the madness of the US response so far!

Bruce Cobb
October 5, 2020 1:19 pm

Yeesh, if those eyes were any beadier, you could string a necklace with them.

October 5, 2020 1:30 pm

Mann is a numbskull. Full stop. BTW, Canada’s communist broadcasting corporation (CBC) turns to him for opinion as well.

westcoaster
October 5, 2020 1:34 pm

Well then Mikey maybe you could then give us an explanation of gravity, and while there tie it into quantum theory.

Gunga Din
Reply to  westcoaster
October 5, 2020 3:35 pm

“Man made CO2 weakens Gravity. That’s why so much of what I’ve said is still afloat. (Well, there is another reason why it might still float but that’s not up for debate. The Science has settled! … er … uh … and I’m on top!)”

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 5, 2020 7:28 pm

Whether it floats or not depends on what he’s eaten.

Editor
October 5, 2020 1:48 pm

Michael Mann Appeals to…..NO ONE.

Stay safe and healthy, all.

Regards,
Bob

PS: That’s as far as I got in the headline.

Joseph Zorzin
October 5, 2020 1:59 pm

Off subject (sorry again)- but I just watched David Attenborough’s latest film on Netflix, “A Life on Our Planet”. I’d like to see a review of it here. I’m no scientist but I see a lot of errors in it. It includes some brief clips from earlier films by him- including the sea lions falling off cliffs!

Fres
October 5, 2020 2:04 pm

Funny how Anthony has time to post all these articles over the last 8 years but still doesn’t have time to get his UHI paper peer-reviewed like he promised his followers he would do.

maurizio rovati
October 5, 2020 2:21 pm

it seems that Manny has lost weight lately… Because of climate change I suppose.

ResourceGuy
October 5, 2020 2:26 pm

The 60 Minutes viewers don’t know any better and they don’t question anything.

Gandhi
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 5, 2020 3:30 pm

I was a PR director for a national company when Sixty Minutes decided they were going to “go after” our company. They made up stuff and pretty much created fake news before fake news was cool. I have never watched Sixty Minutes since…because I know they’re journalistically DISHONEST.

Shoki Kaneda
October 5, 2020 2:48 pm

Michael Mann is not a scientist. He long ago abandoned that for a career as a fear porn hustler.

Brian Johnston
October 5, 2020 2:53 pm

The driver of climate change alarmism is a New World Order.
The question that needs to be asked is,
Where does Mann stand on the NWO

October 5, 2020 3:14 pm

Mann has the warmist dogma deep within him….he must bark it forth…consensus…consensus….you must listen and obey…..I am Scientist.

Gandhi
October 5, 2020 3:28 pm

I can’t help it, but every time I see Michael Mann, I laugh out loud. He’s such a funny-looking fellow. He reminds me of a comedian who used to be on TV in Cleveland, Ohio named “Little John.” He was part of “Big Chuck and Little John” and they did local comedy skits on Friday night TV. So “Little Michael” could be Little John’s brother…and I have to chuckle every time I see Michael Mann…he really needs a pie in the face to complete the skit!

Michael Jankowski
October 5, 2020 4:05 pm

“…our own U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and national academies of every major industrial nation, every scientific society in the United States that’s weighed in on the matter…”

Then why didn’t 60 Minutes talk to one of those more interesting people instead of you?

U.S. National Academy of Sciences? Like Dr. Edward Wegman?

ironargonaut
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
October 5, 2020 6:08 pm

He never answered the question asked. He created a new question and answered it, just like a politician answers questions. My follow up question would have been what causes gravity?

Baronius
October 5, 2020 4:25 pm

Remember that the everyday science that makes stuff work is not the same as science used to justify public policy. One is wont make money until it is correct and the other is rewarded for interpreting graphs, tweaking computer models and writting reports in support of the one who funds the research.

Nicholas J Harding
October 5, 2020 4:49 pm

So I don’t watch 60 Minutes as I find they pick sides. Did 60 Minutes ask him how his litigation in Canada went against Dr. Ball? If he has paid Dr. Ball the money ordered by the Court? Has he paid the money ordered by the DC Court in June of 2020 in the National Review Litigation? Just when is that litigation going to trial? When will discovery end?

My guess is not.

ScienceABC123
October 5, 2020 6:04 pm

Past “scientific consensuses” included: the Earth is flat, lead can be changed into gold, and the Earth is at the center of the Universe. Any “scientific consensus” can be be destroyed with a single piece of evidence that shows it’s wrong, that’s how science works.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  ScienceABC123
October 5, 2020 8:02 pm

Lead can be changed into gold, just not the way medieval alchemists thought (and hoped).

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ScienceABC123
October 5, 2020 8:10 pm

“Past “scientific consensuses” included: the Earth is flat”

I don’t think that’s true.

leowaj
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 5, 2020 8:57 pm

Jeff Alberts,

I think ScienceABC123 put “scientific consensuses” in quotes to indicate that science has been and continues to be commandeered to fit to some prevailing orthodoxy. In times past, there has been a prevailing orthodoxy that bloodletting cured certain diseases, there was nothing to the West of Britain but empty water, and, yes, the Earth is flat. All because authorities of the times said so.

LdB
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 6, 2020 12:39 am

The Earth being a sphere was known in early BC years by greek scholars but even in the 17th century the vast majority believed in the flat earth. Read about Columbus having to lie about how far they had sailed so as to not alarm crew they were about to sail off the edge … Columbus believed in Ptolemy and the world was a sphere but his men did not.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 6, 2020 2:17 am

Hence why it was “scientific consensuses” (with quotes) and not scientific consensuses (without quotes). You’re letting the grammar Nazi side down by not recognizing the difference.

Walter Sobchak
October 5, 2020 7:29 pm

“There’s about as much scientific consensus about human-caused climate change as there is about gravity.”

You realize that scientists know that both the Newtonian and Einsteinian theories are at best incomplete and cannot explain easily observable phenomena such as the shape and sizes of galaxies.

Clive Dawson
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
October 5, 2020 10:20 pm

The words of Michael Crichton from his 2003 lecture at Cal Tech are relevant here:

“Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Clive Dawson
October 6, 2020 11:14 am

“Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough.”

Love it!

That’s just what we have with alarmist climate science: No solid evidence.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
October 5, 2020 10:40 pm

I realize those things, but Mann doesn’t.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
October 5, 2020 11:57 pm

So, what he is saying is there is no consensus. Frankly, I would title this article as “Michael Mann admits there is no consensus on climate change.” Then explain the line you quote as evidence. People, don’t deny gravity exists. Yet, the cause and the mathematical models for gravity are under debate. Just like the cause and effects of CAGW are under debate.

If that is not what he meant to say let him clarify it.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 6, 2020 1:20 am

To equate his climate fables with what we know about gravity is an insult to the many serious researchers who spent their lives on understanding gravity.

TheLastDemocrat
October 6, 2020 5:03 am

What is the hurricane claim?

Al Gore made claims that they were going to get more frequent and stronger. I believe his claims were in 2006, right after Katrina, 2005.

Is this what Mann is referring to?

The hurricane data are on Wikipedia. You can get the Atlantic Hurricane Season data there, and do the calculations. Overall, the number of “major hurricanes” is on a slight downward trend. For the recent 100 years or so.

“ACE,” Accumulated Cyclone Energy, the composite measure of a hurricane season, including number of tropical storms and how powerful they were, for how long, has been trending down, not up. For the recent 100 years or so.

We have NOT been hearing about hurricanes for a couple years now, since it has been over a decade since Katrina, and the fear-mongering projections have shown to be wrong, at least thus far.

A couple years ago, they tried to refurbish the Killer Hurricanes mythology by declaring that Global Warming was making hurricanes go SLOWER, and thus more destructive in whatever area they slowly meandered over.

Of course, this “slow hurricane” was NOT a prediction of the Global Warming hucksters; they just capitalized on it after the fact.

This “slow hurricanes” meme will also die out, as Nature plays out her variability – more here, less there, slower here, faster there. Laura and Marco were pretty fast.

I am not sure what they will come up with next.

At least they do have “property damage.” Yes, as there is more property across time to get flooded and destroyed, if we have normal hurricane occurrences, we have increased property losses.

I predict that they will eventually be forced to come around to declaring that fewer hurricanes are a sign of Global Warming.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200422151312.htm

October 6, 2020 11:26 am

It was shameful of 60 Minutes to air this interview without any criticism. This well-respected program has simply become a propaganda channel for the apocalyptic left.

James F. Evans
October 6, 2020 11:35 am

When you drill down, inconsistencies, contradictions & failed predictions abound in the alarmist pseudo-science of man-made global warming.

Mann is a liar.

He was caught long ago with his so-called “hockey stick.”

Why pseudo-science? Because intellectual dishonesty disqualifies it from actual science.

October 6, 2020 11:46 am

Elmer Fudd

October 6, 2020 11:52 am

Does anyone else see a resemblance to Elmer Fudd?

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