Cliff Mass Fights Back Against @knkxfm

Reposted from the Cliff Mass Weather Blog

Thursday, August 13, 2020

My Firing at KNKX

It is time for me to speak about my firing from KNKX and I will reveal much that is not known publicly about the station, its leadership, and the events that have occurred. This is a particularly sad task for me, considering that I played an important role in saving the station a few years ago and have worked hard for its success. 

This is a long post, so let me give you a quick overview of the key points I will cover:
1.  The leaders of KNKX justified my firing based upon my August 5th blog post that criticized violent individuals in downtown Seattle, criticized the City Council, supported Chief Best, and noted some similarities to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. 2.  The leaders of KNKX terminated me the next day without speaking to me before they made the decision.  They also did not discuss the matter with the KNKX Advisory Council. 3.  KNKX put out a statement that was factually untrue and easily can be proven false. 4.  Activist groups have been trying to get me dismissed from KNKX for over a year because they are unhappy with my science-based to climate change. 5.  KNKX did not oppose my advocacy when I supported progressive viewpoints, but was uncomfortable with my moderate stances. 6.  KNKX  management is beholden to and attempts to please left-leaning activist donors. 7.  That NPR is full of examples of calling Republicans and police Nazis and brownshirts, but if someone suggests the violent left have evinced Fascist behavior, that is reason for termination.
The Details
Last week I wrote a blog post–Seattle, A City in Fear Can Be Restored–criticizing violent individuals who have brought repeated destruction to downtown Seattle and attacked and injured numerous people (including reporters and dozens of police officers).  I also criticized the irresponsible and reckless actions of members of the Seattle City Council, who allowed the violence to continue, tried to cripple and defund the Seattle Police Department, and who have persecuted Chief Carmen Best.
The next day I received a call from KNKX station manager Joey Cohn and program manager Matt Martinez, saying that I was being ejected from the station because of my blog post.  They were not open to discussion on the matter; I was off the air and my weather segment, one of the most popular segments on the station, was discontinued immediately.
Their reason for my expulsion, provided in a statement released by the station, was both false and misleading.  For example, it stated that my blog “draws distorted, offensive parallels between protesters and Nazi Brownshirts”  

This is totally false. I NEVER suggested that peaceful protestors are like brownshirts, I was ONLY talking about violent individuals. 
Just to be completely clear I am a strong supporter of peaceful protests and assemblies.  It is an essential aspect of our democracy and protected in the U.S. Constitution.  Peaceful protests have played a critical role in many positive social movements, such as woman suffrage, ending the Vietnam war, and in promoting civil rights.  I have participated in peaceful protests myself.  But violence—destroying business and hurting people—is a different story.   It is not only illegal, and destructive, but it undermines civil society and democracy, and usually hurts the least advantaged among us the most.  That is what I was speaking out against.

Supported in Blog
Criticized in Blog


I made it clear to both Joey Cohn and Matt Martinez on the call that my remarks were limited to violent individuals and they still chose to send out the deceptive statement.  For the leadership of a major media group to do so is extraordinarily concerning and disappointing.
Ironically, the first sentence of their statement proclaims that the station has an “aim to present an array of voices that reflect our region.”  Clearly, they did not think my voice against violence was one of the “array of voices” that should be presented.
Furthermore, their statement suggested my blog was “inaccurate” and “misleading”—but never backs that up with any evidence.  There is no evidence.  My blog was both accurate and highly reasoned, and I challenge them to provide a single example to the contrary.
My sources inside KNKX tell me that station management went into panic mode after a number of activist folks emailed to complain about my blog.  They were desperate to get out a statement immediately that kicked me off the station in order to get the online mob off their back.  Putting out a deceptive, hurtful statement was OK if it did the job.
Backstory and Influence of Activists/Contributors
But as in any controversy, there is a backstory, and now I am going to reveal some of it to you, since public radio is, well, public.
A collection of activist folks has been gunning for me for a long time and have energetically tried to get me kicked off KNKX.   The reason:  the  discussions of climate and climate change in my blog.   No, we are NOT talking about what I said on air, where I stick to weather and the content was controlled completely by the station.  They objected to what I said in my outside blog about climate change.
Now I have probably written more papers and done more research on Northwest weather and climate than any other individual.  I know the literature. I attend the seminars. I wrote on book on NW weather and climate. I have spent a lifetime learning about it.  But a bunch of climate activists, such as groups like decided they knew better. They were particularly unhappy when I exposed some of the hype and exaggeration promulgated by the activist crowd (e.g., that climate change is a short-term existential threat to mankind). There were also some wealthy, activist KNKX donors that were unhappy with my blog.   These climate activists demanded that I talk about “existential climate threats” on KNKX and stop my climate fact checking on my blog.   I was a threat to them:  knowledgeable, credible, and with access to the media.  And they wanted that to end.
Well, all this came to a head this year, when put out a petition with the aim of getting me removed from KNKX (see below).  

I offered to come to a meeting to talk about the science with them, but they refused.  I asked them to specify what I got wrong, they could not.  But the station management was afraid of the mob and their KNKX donor sympathizes and decided to spend a great deal of money in getting me “evaluated.”   Unbelievable.
In March 2020, Joey Cohn and Matt Martinez hired the recently retired national NPR ombudsperson, Elizabeth Jensen, to do the evaluation.  And then they also arranged for an evaluation of my science.  Contrary to any good sense, they found a local aerosol expert who was an active member of to do the science evaluation.  I complained that this was grossly unfair, but Joey and Matt were unmoved.
Well, the good news is that their report showed that my science was accurate and that my segment with Bellamy was totally appropriate (read the report here:  In short, a total waste of KNKX listener contributions.
But the fact that station management spent a large amount of money (from donations, of course) and personnel time on placating uninformed activists was a very bad sign….one that was going to reveal itself when I posted on August 5th about Seattle and violence.
This was not the only incident of this kind that illustrates a serious bias at KNKX.  Two years ago I wrote some blog posts criticizing I-1631, which called for a carbon tax that would be distributed to activist groups especially.  I felt it was terribly regressive and hurt low-income groups preferentially.  Some of the activist KNKX contributors were unhappy about this and complained to the station (some even wanted me ejected right there).  Of importance, I was a strong supporter of I-732, which was a revenue-neutral carbon tax defeated two years earlier.  Joey Cohn took me out to lunch and had a “talk” with me.  He told me some of the contributors were upset and required that I talk to him before I publicly supported an initiative again.  I asked him why he was not concerned about and never mentioned my support of I-732 (which was approved by some in the activist community).  He smiled at me.  The answer was clear:  as long as I supported “progressive” initiatives things were fine.  Went I publicly opposed something the progressives liked, I needed to rethink my advocacy.
All of this revealed to me an Achilles heel of public radio.  Stations depend on contributions, and rich, activist contributors have enormous power on station management. They get appointed to station management boards.  They have access to station management. Joey Cohn and Matt Martinez feel encumbered to please and mollify them.  And that has a serious, and deleterious impact on what one hears on the radio station.
Joey Cohn and Matt Martinez threw away the foundational values of KNKX.  Why?  Because the station was saved to protect diversity of viewpoints in the region and they acted to reduce the exposure of their listeners to a different viewpoint that was different from their activist donors.
Hypocrisy The key aspect of my blog post that KNKX management claim to be upset about is my paragraphs providing a reasoned and careful comparison between what happened in 1930s Germany and in present-day Seattle. They claimed my blog post “draws distorted, offensive parallels” to what happened in Nazi Germany.  I have expanded on my reasoning below, which I will let each of you evaluate on your own. 
But don’t trust me.  I have had a number of other individuals, both Jewish and non-Jewish, tell me the same thing (see example below)—what has happened in Seattle has many parallels in the 1930s. I talked to a local Rabbi that concurred, and I spoke to a leader in a local Jewish advocacy group who told me that the blog was not offensive or problematic.  I would be happy to connect KNKX leadership with these local Jewish leaders.

 The great irony here and the sign of total hypocrisy on the part of KNKX management is that NPR is constantly providing folks a platform to call Trump, police, or Republicans fascists, Nazis or brownshirts.  You want proof? Here is an NPR story in which Rick Steves calls Trump a fascist.

Or this one:

I could provide a dozen more.  There are comparisons with fascists all the time on NPR, but references are almost always about Trump administration officials or police.  But when I noted actions reminiscent of 1930s done by those supported on the left, I am given the boot from the station.  Even with detailed documentation of my contentions and the support of others in the Jewish community.
There is a word for this. Hypocrisy.
Brownshirts and Kristallnacht
Now that you understand a bit about the serious issues at KNKX (and there are more that I could have included), let’s get to the brownshirt/Kristallnacht issue.   As made clear above, my concerns were NOT about peaceful protestors but violent types.  But a number of the activists deliberately misrepresented what was clear in the blog, and they accused me of calling peaceful protestors NazisThis is absolutely false.  Some even called me an anti-Semite, which is kind of ridiculous since I am Jewish. 
Ironically, a number of the social activists attacking Seattle police were very liberal in their use of brownshirts and Nazis.  But a Jewish individual whose family suffered in Europe could not do so.  Unbelievable.

So why did they home in on my reference to brownshirts and the like?  Because they were desperate to attack a blog post that they knew undercut their viewpoints, particularly about police violence in Seattle against “peaceful” righteous protestors.   Pretty cynical stuff.
In my blog, I noted some similarities of what happened here in Seattle and in Nazi Germany.  I did not say it was the same in magnitude or degree.  But that there were common elements that were chilling….and particularly so to a Jewish individual.  Consider:
1.      On Kristallnacht, violent individuals (brownshirts and others) had a target (Jewish businesses and homes) to which they caused huge damage, injuries, and loss of life. They were out to intimidate.  The violence was not done by the government, which looked the other way as it happened.  Many windows were broken and extensive glass was on the ground (that is why it was called Kristallnacht, night of broken glass).
In Seattle, there were also massive amounts of broken windows, violent individuals were pillaging and damaging targeted groups they felt were unrighteous (e.g., Amazon, Chase, Starbuck).  Some Jewish business were clearly targeted (e.g., Uncle Ikes, Samuel Jewelers)

Jewish businesses like Uncle Ikes were deliberately targeting during the Seattle riots
2.     Hurtful graffiti was applied in Kristallnacht, as it was in Seattle.  Some of the Seattle graffiti was anti-Israel.
3.      The brownshirts got the nod or indifference by the German government.  In Seattle, a number of government officials and representatives downplayed the violence, suggesting it was a” summer of love”, or actively attacked the police when they tried to restore order.  One city councilmember dressed her infant child in an antifa outfit.
Jewish Americans have a deep memory of what has happened during the past centuries.  When thuggish violent groups target those they don’t agree with, with the government not intervening to stop the violence, vulnerable groups (like the Jewish community) tend to get hurt.  We feel highly vulnerable.  Jewish Americans understand the value of American democracy, which protects and celebrates different viewpoints and traditions.  The antifa “brownshirts” are the antithesis of democratic values and respect for differing viewpoints. That is a critical point.

Chief Best.

Chief Carmen Best
Carmen Best is the latest moderate who cared deeply about this city and been pushed out. In both of our cases, the activist left saw us in their way, representing values of tolerance, moderation, and thoughtful examination of the facts.  They wanted us gone and, quite honestly, they have been quite successful in the short term, in my case because of the weak management of KNKX.  It is not an accident that the blog that got me fired from KNKX was the one in which I criticized the City Council and strongly supported

So What Should You Do?
KNKX is in trouble and what happened to me is clear example of the power of special interest groups on a public radio station.  Importantly, KNKX management did not care about KNKX listeners when they made their politically motivated decision.  They cut one of the most popular segments on the station without even talking to the KNKX advisory council or polling KNKX listeners—a sharp contrast to their close attention to listeners thoughts during the first years.  Management of public radio station must reflect the interested and values of the public, not a limited group of activists.  In fact, the comments on their web site ran strongly against the firing.  And I have gotten roughly 450 emails from listeners who were outraged with how KNKX handled the situation.
 If you agree with me, please contact KNKX (see emails of management below) and ask that they reconsider their approach.  And if you are a contributor to KNKX, you might withhold your contribution until the station takes a different course.   Email Seattle City Council members about your concerns about their actions regarding Chief Best and the Seattle Police Department.
Finally, let me note that starting this Friday at 9 AM, I will provide an up-to-date forecast and weather analysis that you can view on my blog for those who enjoyed my KNKX segment. I have an even better weather podcast in the works. Stay tuned!
KNKX Management:
Station Manager: Joey Cohn, Program Director: Matt Martinez, Chair of KNKX Board, Claire Grace, send to

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Jim Steele
August 13, 2020 10:19 am

Keep up the good fight Cliff . You have been an extremely objective scientist. If the media truly wants people to listen to the science, they should listen to you

Reply to  Jim Steele
August 14, 2020 4:09 am

You cannot argue against “offensive” other than to totally reject it as the basis of any discussion or judgement.

Offense is in ear of the beholder. It is totally subjective and anyone can find anything they wish “offensive”. In short they now claim that anyone who does not hold the same opinions ( usually political ) that they is “offensive”. Recall the Google exec Sergey Brin who declared he found the result of the last election “offensive”.

That is the whole point of that line of argument. It is irrefutable.

Those promoting such a discourse need to grow the F up and realise we all have the RIGHT to disagree with what they think.

There is no point in going into the details of what was or was not said and how true of false it was until get rid of idea some arbitrary person declaring themselves “offended” is foundation of the argument.

Best wishes to Cliff. There is growing awareness this has got WAAY out of control and even traditionally “left” valued people have had enough of this BS. Now is the time to fight back.

Reply to  Greg
August 14, 2020 4:11 am

Thoughtful comments from Aussie musician Nick Cave.

Reply to  Greg
August 21, 2020 12:14 pm

“There is no point…” unless you wish to sue them for slander.

If they lied (and if you are willing & able to bear the expense and time, you can sue the bastards!

Reply to  Jim Steele
August 14, 2020 11:33 am

There is no point in reasoning with the mob. They are Procrustean utopians, dedicated to revolution. The US is dividing into “woke” cult race-mongering and guilt inducing tyranny — Leftist cities, mostly, on one side. And Patriots, normals, Christians, and those who will still fight to be left alone, on the other.

The Marxist media wants this war, a civil war like Columbia had that started 1946-6 called “La Violencia” which lasted many years. Personally, I expect street level riots, arson, and pitched battles between them in every of the next few elections. Dismiss this as speculation if you wish. But the unorganised militia membership has recently quadrupled in the face of rampant urban lawlessness. This is war, folks. Prepare to fight or stand far away.

David Yaussy
August 13, 2020 10:35 am

Good luck, Cliff. Hard to watch a great city like Seattle destroy itself. Hope you’re back on the air soon.

Reply to  David Yaussy
August 13, 2020 5:58 pm

When a city starts to destroy itself – sane people who have a moderating influence on extremes will leave that city – which leaves a higher percentage of insane extremists to continue destroying that city. I know of 6 people (progressives) who lived in Seattle, but could no longer stand the extreme lurch leftward. All but one are now embracing a middle-to-right ideology.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
August 13, 2020 6:46 pm

Thanks for your encouraging post.

I’ve previously floated the notion that the western world was facing a reversion to the Dark Ages, and that a contemporary Enlightenment was becoming sorely needed.

Hopefully your experience is being quietly repeated all across developed democracies around the world.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Mr.
August 14, 2020 11:16 am

Western Civilization was destroyed by WWI, when the best and brightest of Europe were slaughtered by the millions. Afterward, all of the old ways were gone and the rise of the “isms” began. Communism, Fascism, Nazism — all of those helped to destroy what was left of the Western Enlightenment, and we’ve been slowly sinking back into darkness again.

We’re just technologically advanced barbarians now.

Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 15, 2020 8:19 am

“What do you think of Western Civilisation, Mr Gandhi?”

“I think it would be a very good idea.”

Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 16, 2020 1:15 am

I have no disagreement with the comment by Cliff Mass, except that it was too moderate. Today’s Greenshirts are just like the Nazi Brownshirts of the 1930’s.

I first published the following note (“We are at war”) in January 2020, and it is even more clear now that the war has begun. Our world looks more and more like Germany in the 1930’s – the extreme left is emboldened and is plundering rule of law and human rights.
These rioters have an agenda, they are organized and paid, and they don’t care at all about the environment or the death of George Floyd – that tragedy is just an excuse to launch their assault on democracy.
Like Hitler’s Brownshirts, these Greenshirts are the shock troops of the Marxist Democrats, and this is their tactic to try to steal the election. If they win, it will be the end of America, the end of freedom.

Transcript of President Donald Trump’s speech at the World Economic Forum,
Davos, Switzerland, 21 January 2020


“Fear and doubt is not a good thought process because this is a time for tremendous hope and joy and optimism and action. But to embrace the possibilities of tomorrow, we must reject the perennial prophets of doom and their predictions of the apocalypse. They are the heirs of yesterday’s foolish fortune-tellers — and I have them and you have them, and we all have them, and they want to see us do badly, but we don’t let that happen.
They predicted an overpopulation crisis in the 1960s, mass starvation in the ’70s, and an end of oil in the 1990s. These alarmists always demand the same thing: absolute power to dominate, transform, and control every aspect of our lives. We will never let radical socialists destroy our economy, wreck our country, or eradicate our liberty.”
– Donald Trump, World Economic Forum, Davos, Switzerland, 21 January 2020

I believe this quote will define the Trump Presidency, in much the same way that Franklin Roosevelt trumpeted “A day of infamy” and Winston Churchill extolled “Our finest hour”.
Because we are at war, as surely as Britain was in 1939 and the USA was in 1941. And this war is for our democracies and our freedoms. It is abundantly clear that the global warming/climate change scam was never about the climate – it was always a smokescreen, a false front for a radical socialist takeover of our democracies – the end of freedom.
– Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc.,(Eng.), M.Eng., 23 January, 2020

Chad C. Mulligan
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
August 14, 2020 10:48 pm

In the English politics of the last century these people were called “trimmers”, after the sailors on racing yachts whose job it was to shift the balance of the boat with their weight. A very apt analogy.

David Kamakaris
August 13, 2020 10:42 am

Thanks for posting this article, Cliff. Thanks to our ever-so-unbiased media, I never would have heard of your situation. Wishing you the best.

Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 10:44 am

Excellent rebuttal of station management’s assertions.

What happened to you, Chief Best and Seattle’s police force is a travesty of natural justice and common sense.

Unfortunately, we have left and right activists and disturbers who take their relative positions to radical extremes. This is not good for the country or the reputation and influence of the USA abroad.

Fortunately, your views and opinions are less constrained than before the internet. We look to your expertise in weather and evidence-based climatology, well reported.

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 11:27 am

Give me an example of right activists and disturbers who take their position to radical extremes.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 12:19 pm

Er – that could be a question to which you don’t really want to see answers.

Remembering that far left and far right radicals basically operate within same spectrum of “loony”

Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 12:47 pm

I wouldn’t have asked if I didn’t want to know. Let me further qualify though. Show me an example of right extremism to the degree we are seeing now coming from the left.

Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 4:22 am

The Oklahoma City bombing for one.

J Wurts
Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 6:02 am

Steve…wow, only 25 years ago. How about something this Century?


Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 8:51 am

I’m w/you, icisil. Your point is: There AREN’T any recent examples of “right extremism”, even tho one constantly hears that drumbeat in the marxist-media (yet another example of projection by the leftists — just substituting right for left).

Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 11:24 am

Reply to Steve below:

The Oklahoma Bombing was planned and enabled by Iraqi and Palestinian jihadis, who found a weak individual to carry it out. Read “The Third Terrorist” by an Oklahoma journalist – Janya Davis – to get the whole story.

Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 1:38 pm

There was a recent story about some anti-abortion activists getting arrested for using chalk on the sidewalk. Things like that?

Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 12:56 pm

In other words, you can’t answer the question.

John Endicott
Reply to  Mr.
August 18, 2020 2:39 am

Er – that could be a question to which you don’t really want to see answers.

Translation: I have no such examples to give, so will hand wave away the question.

Keith Harrison
Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 12:34 pm

Charlottesville, Virginia.

Recounting a day of rage, hate, violence and death

How a rally of white nationalists and supremacists at the University of Virginia turned into a “tragic, tragic weekend.”

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 12:55 pm

Fascinating how the left automatically declares that anyone who is a racist, must be a creature of the right.

Reply to  MarkW
August 15, 2020 8:38 am

The difference between far left and far right is simple. The far left have a two stage programme:
1) Nationalise everything.
2) Erase all opposition.

The far right have a single stage programme: Erase all opposition.

Apart from that, there is little of substance between them.

Reply to  MarkW
August 19, 2020 12:34 pm

The 25 Points of National Socialism, in order to put Photios’s comment, below, in perspective.

(Translation of the 1924 program. Original text as printed in The National Socialistic Yearbook, 1941; translation as published by the US Government.)1

1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.

3. We demand land and territories (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.

4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.

5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.

6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.

7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all.

Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labor) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand that:

a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race.

b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language.

c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

Last Edited: Nov 20, 2019. Author(s): United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, DC

In other words, 1) Nationalize damn near everything
and 2) Erase all opposition.

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 1:12 pm

Nazi extremists, marginal players. Nothing like that since because they really are a marginal group in the US. That in no way compares to the violent leftist extremism we’re now seeing in US cities.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 1:57 pm

Keith gives an example of how the far left and far right extremists are both of the same ilk.
There are many many more examples of barbaric behavior from elements described as “left” and “right” wing.
Their behaviors are eerily identical. Loonies.
Which is the point I was making.

I have no truck for extremists on either ends of the political spectrum.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 3:47 pm

Nazi’s are socialists. They are critters of the left, not right.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 3:49 pm

I know you left wing nut jobs keep telling each other that anyone who a racist is a right winger, but telling a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true.

The vast majority of the racists that I have ever met or heard, were socialist through and through.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 4:32 pm

Mr, I agree that they’re both of the same ilk, but in terms of damage to society there is no comparison. Antifa and BLM are supported by the mainstream media, democrat politicians, the educational system, etc, and the latter is financially supported by over a hundred corporations. The damage both have done to US cities is incalculable. So the argument that the problem is extremists on both ends of the spectrum is not supported by the evidence.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 4:35 pm

“MarkW August 13, 2020 at 3:47 pm”

That was probably true in the early days but not so much after 1934.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 6:46 pm

Even after 1934. Look at how they organized society and the economy after they came to power. Strict top down, government makes all decisions socialism.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 8:09 pm

I have always thought that the left/right argument is false. it is more like a circle – The extreme “left” and the extreme “right” merely merge .

Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 5:27 am

Perhaps if we stopped using out-of-date labels like “left” and “right”. There is not a nanometre of difference between the so-called extreme left and the so-called extreme right.

Their visceral hatred for each other is the proof. As Monty Python pointed out all those years ago they are the difference between the Judean People’s Front and the People’s Front of Judea. Their aims are the same and they recruit from the same pool of disaffected cretins. For further details read ‘Animal Farm’ or more seriously Jonah Goldberg’s ‘Liberal Fascism’.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  icisil
August 14, 2020 11:04 am

“Unfortunately, we have left and right activists and disturbers who take their relative positions to radical extremes.”

There is one *big* difference between the two. The extremists on the Left are supported by the Democrat Party, and the extremists on the Right are all alone, and are *not* supported by the Republican Party.

The U.S. Republican Party wants nothing to do with extremists of any stripe. The Left lies when they try to tie extremists to the Republican Party.

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 4:04 pm


White supremacists are not right, nor are they far right.

Although ‘nationalists’, be they white or black or any other color, could be reasonably tied to the right side of the political spectrum.

But by including ‘white’ with nationalists and attempting to tie ‘nationalists’ with supremacist, you show your bias (or ignorance?).

The ongoing crap … weeks & weeks & weeks … has been embraced & rationalized as reasonable, and condoned by the local, regional, and national left organizations. THEY HAVE TOLD THE POLICE TO LEAVE THE RIOTERS ALONE. Radically extreme ‘activists and disturbers’ on the left have no equal on the right.

AND, what is bad for the Country and the Reputation of the Country is the embrace of the ongoing crap by one political party and its spectrum of supporters. This embrace is what emboldens/encourages the radio station management to do what they did (and maybe even think it was a reasonable action).

Reply to  DonM
August 14, 2020 12:31 pm

In 2016, KKK members and NeoNazis were estimated to be between 3,000 and 8,000 by the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League (a Jewish Civil Rights Organization).

After that year, suddenly White Supremacy and racist incidents were everywhere, despite the fact that FBIs official records of hate crime continued to indicate that the plurality of victims were Jewish, as they’ve been for as long as these records have been kept.

What changed? Trump was elected to the surprise, especially, to the Left, already trending far left during the Obama years, according to data kept by Zack Goldberg, political scientist at Georgia State University.

Goldberg points out that self-identified Progressives became the only segment of the voting population that prioritises other groups interests above their own.

Caroline Glick explains this sharp shift behind the polarisation of politics today in an early June column: “The violence we are seeing is a result of the steep radicalization of progressive white Americans. Biden gave voice to this radicalization last summer when, during a campaign appearance in Iowa he said, ‘We choose truth over facts.’

“Last year, political scientist Zach Goldberg published an article in Tablet online magazine where he presented statistical data demonstrating the depth and breadth of the radicalization of white progressives over the past ten years. Goldberg revealed that between 2010-2019, white progressives became the only demographic group in U.S. history to prioritize the interests of other groups over its own interests. White progressives prioritize the advancement of the interests of minorities and immigrants over their own and over those of American society as a whole. Moreover, as Goldberg showed, white progressive positions on race and immigration are more extreme than the positions black, Latino, and Asian progressives hold on these issues

“Goldberg argues that the massive increase in internet usage by white progressives over the past decade is responsible for the radicalization. Online platforms have created an information bubble which has created a warped presentation of reality to those inside the bubble. In this warped reality, race relations are far worse than they are in reality. Hence, those who inhabit this bubble prefer ‘truth’ as presented in the bubble to facts.

“Goldberg is undoubtedly correct that the more time people spend inside their internet bubble the more removed they become from objective reality. But internet isn’t the only source of the radicalization. The Obama presidency was also a factor.

“When Barack Obama won the presidential race in 2008, many Americans believed his victory was proof the United States had overcome its racist past. Obama however, did not support this view. Throughout his tenure in office, Obama used the power of his position to resonate and legitimize positions on race that until then had been relegated to the leftist margins of American politics.

“Obama cultivated the view that far from being a post-racial society, America is inherently racist and that American racism is structural – that is, it was baked in and impossible to overcome….”

The reported rise in racial attacks on black people, many turning out to be hoaxes because the power of grievance and victim demands more victims, reality be damned!

Hence, the Marxist BLM and fascist Antifa riots seen since the death of George Floyd, and the 75 days of violent protests in Portland, Antifa central and their training grounds — among many others, elsewhere, resulting in the razing of 4,000 buildings, 30 deaths (9 of them were black when the body count was just 15), over $100 million in damages in LA Nd New York City alone, in what the Marxist major media labels “mostly peaceful protests,” more gaslighting.

And thus, when Obama recently spoke at Congressman John Lewis’ funeral, he laid out a revolutionary political agenda to overturn minority rights protections and Representative Republican Constitutionalism in favor of unlimited majoritarian Democratic or mob power to rule America.

Thus, the ridiculous menace of “White Supremacy” and the spread of “racism” has been gaslit into existence, first by a demographic that’s already been propagandised, and then asides by flames from major Marxist leaning media.

And therefore the “cancelling” or electronic censoring of Cliff Maas for heresy to a cult.
See recent interviews with former math prof. Dr. James Lindsey at YouTube for more about “wokeness” and the dangers of the “cult of woke,” on the racialisation of social justice, an area of his expertise and current publishing.

Reply to  DonM
August 15, 2020 9:44 am


For smart people like Keith, understanding/accepting what you wrote would mean that they would need to lose their woke fiends, or accept their own hypocrisy. They don’t want to do either, so they rationalize being in the middle.

Louis Hunt
Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 5:43 pm

Everyone forgets that the “white nationalists” in Charlottesville had a permit for their rally. It was peaceful until Antifa showed up and started counter protesting without a permit. The violence was initiated by Antifa, who brought weapons with them. Somehow, Antifa violence always gets blamed on the right. I’m not ever sure white nationalists are right wing. For example, after David Duke was questioned about his political views, even he had to admit they were more in line with Democrats than Republican.

Reply to  Louis Hunt
August 13, 2020 9:33 pm

Thats because DD started off as a Democrat, getting in to office through a special election.

John Endicott
Reply to  Louis Hunt
August 18, 2020 3:29 am

Interesting thing about Duke, He ran for office under both parties at various times, but only one party denounced him when he ran under their banner and wanted nothing to do with him. Democrats never said a peep about him and his repellent beliefs when he ran as a Democrat (and he was still an active member of the KKK when he ran as a Democrat). Republicans up and down the party line denounced him when he ran as a Republican.

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 6:08 pm

Local authorities told the police to stand down while antifa attacked the otherwise peaceful gathering. James Fields was heading home when he blundered into a street blocked by demonstrators. GoFundMe refused to host his defense fund.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tim
August 16, 2020 5:08 am

There was a demonstration at Stone Mountain, Georgia yesterday, where “Rightwing” protesters showed up and got in fights with the Leftwing protesters.

Fox News reported this as: Rightwing protesters clash with counter-protesters.

My question is: Why wasn’t it reported as rightwing protesters clashing with leftwing protesters? Isn’t that the actual truth? So even Fox News downplays the leftwing protesters.

Don’t ask me why Fox News would do that. I could understand if it was CNN or MSNBC or any of the other leftwing networks. Fox News seems to be sliding to the Left. That will probably change after Trump wins in November.

John Endicott
Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 18, 2020 3:21 am

How a rally of white nationalists and supremacists at the University of Virginia turned into a “tragic, tragic weekend.”

Yeah, protestors (regardless of what you think of their repellent beliefs) with a permit were entirely peaceful before a far-left group (antifa) showed up with weapons and started the violence. Great own goal there Keith.

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 22, 2020 4:53 pm

How gross you bring up this incident…

Fields was fleeing for his life. They attacked his car. I have watched all the videos. All the angles. His car was mobbed. The were smashing his tailights and windows and trying to get him out of the car. The dude was fleeing.

And his defense team were morons not finding the videos and using that evidence.

So yeah, gross of you.

Reply to  icisil
August 13, 2020 6:13 pm

Yeah, I’d like 3 examples of the right violating the rights and property of others…

Keith Harrison
Reply to  Wharfplank
August 14, 2020 4:34 am

Medgar Evers assassination – shot in the back in front of his family on his driveway;

Vernon Dahmer Sr murdered and the firebombing of his family home and business; and,

Addie May Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson and Cynthia Wesley – all teenage girls mudered in the bombing of the Sixteenth Stree Baptist Church in Birmingham , Alabama.

J Wurts
Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 14, 2020 5:59 am

Wow, well done. you only had to go back 50+ years to find what you think are examples.

How about 3 from 2020?

Any sentient American adult could find 300, if not 3000, from the left in 2020.

HOWEVER..All (the vast majority) of the anti-black violence/protests/activity from the 60’s was done by DEMOCRATS. The Governors, Sheriffs, Mayors, Police Chiefs etc. of all of the places where violence was tolerated were DEMOCRATS……just like today.

BTW, Medgar Evers was assassinated by Byron De La Beckwith, a DEMOCRAT. (He ran for the Democratic Party’s nomination for Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi in 1969)

The KKK was founded & run by DEMOCRATS.

I fail to see where the right is involved.

Try again.


Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 14, 2020 7:45 am

And once again, not a single shred of evidence that any of the assassins were right wing. Just the standard left wing assumption that all racists must be right wing.

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 17, 2020 10:25 am

All these actions taken by lifelong Democrats.

John Endicott
Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 18, 2020 3:13 am

1963, 1966 and 1963. Well done, you had to go back over half a century to find some examples (all of which were KKK crimes. Only thing is, the KKK was founded and run by Democrats. And just because you want to believe that racists = right-wing, doesn’t make it so). Now how about trying to find some contemporary examples? Why is it you have to reach back many, many decades to find examples that you can try to misrepresent into fitting your beliefs? hmmm?

Reply to  Keith Harrison
August 13, 2020 6:25 pm

Most of the people labelled “far right” are actually collectivists; ie, left-wing

Reply to  Observer
August 14, 2020 7:50 am

Progressives see themselves as the good guys. Those who oppose them are the bad guys.
Therefore anyone they disagree with must be right wing.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2020 11:49 am

The people of the world do not easily or naturally divide into “Left and Right” politics, thoughts or actions. We need a far better and more nuance-able spectrum where “moderate” is the desirable center. There are many kinds of extremism, just as there area many kinds of many kinds of illnesses. Being a violent paranoid schizophrenic does mean you also have cancer. Looking for far right political acts to compare with far left political acts is meaningless. Changing the definition until you “find something” has no meaning or value.

Perhaps a scale of “Divisive v.s. Unifying” would be appropriate. Many aspects of politics and acts would be considered divisive.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
August 14, 2020 12:36 pm

We need a far better and more nuance-able spectrum where “moderate” is the desirable center.

That “center” already exists. More and more individuals with good reason have chosen to reject the argumentum ad temperantiam position.

1) Oil and water don’t mix.
2) With modern progressivism, “compromise” means give them all of what they want.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
August 15, 2020 10:10 am

Compromise disappeared when they learned that ‘consensus’ could be abused to the extent to which it is abused.

Organized, low profile shills, show up at local planning or committee meetings to ask bogus questions that are intended to lead or confuse the useful idiots in the audiences. Others sit in the front rows and interrupt when questions become too difficult or embarrassing for the guy at the podium … then the guy at the podium says “well, this isn’t the time for this type of discussion, it would be best if you two just discussed this after the meeting”; that way he gets out of having to address what makes him look bad.

Divide and conquer and then unify under a specific power/leadership. People have been using the “unify’ is good, I am a unifyer, therefore I am good” angle for a long time. Unification as a goal is not necessarily a good thing.

Steve Keppel-Jones
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
August 17, 2020 11:53 am

Maybe people divide more easily than you think, Crispin. Just ask someone if they think they are responsible for their own well-being and outcome, or whether someone else (the government, acting as surrogate parents) is responsible. That’ll tell you which side they’re on 🙂

“Left” and “Right” are synonyms for “r-selected reproductive psychology” and “K-selected reproductive psychology”. r-psychology is chaotic, collectivist, and childlike (running on emotions and feelings rather than logic and reason, and shunning ultimate responsibility for outcomes). K-psychology is ordered, focused on family and individual responsibility, and adultlike (whether something is true is more important than whether it feels good, and the buck stops here, not with the government). These are fairly straightforward divisions, and with a little discussion, it’s not difficult to figure out whether you’re dealing with an r-selected childlike personality or a K-selected adult.

Note that you can’t really approach life with some kind of mishmash view – you have to be one or the other. Humans are biologically K-selected, but in times of plenty, like now, we can epigenetically remain r-selected and childlike for our entire lives.

Terry Sturgeon
August 13, 2020 10:45 am

Welcome to modern Marxism, called Critical Theory, that has permeated and overwhelmed our educational institutions and media. It creates victims, through creation of class identities, reinforces their feeling of victimization and oppression, and instills a need to completely overturn the existing structure of society though revolution that is primarily violent because peaceful protests don’t get the job done. BLM for example is avidly Marxist in this manner, it’s founders freely admitting it. Climate change activism is a second example – a continuing war against our capitalist system.
Wake up folks – life is turning hard hard left.

Caligula Jones
August 13, 2020 10:51 am

The problem with revolutions is that people think it will stop before it gets to them…

Trust me, here in Canada our Official Wokeness is not as violent as yours, but in many ways is much more insidious in that we don’t have a true source of power on the starboard side of the political spectrum to combat it. Every conservative or otherwise “grown up” person or group is already co-opted and weakened by trying to reason with an unreasonable and unlearned cohort of fanatics.

Best wishes on your new endeavour…and you might want to look into a U-Haul…

Bill Powers
Reply to  Caligula Jones
August 13, 2020 11:32 am

CJ, It simply goes to show the corrupting nature of Power (Lord Acton is turning in his grave).

Left leaning Puppet Politicians and their puppeteers in the Propaganda Press don’t care what they rule over just so long as they rule. What they always discover, too late, is that Dystopia is far more difficult to lord over than law and order they assisted in bringing down.

Violence is on its way to Canada. It typically coincides with food shortages and the eerie disappearance of the canine population. When your domestic pets start looking over their shoulders from Vancouver to Quebec it might be time to consider overthrowing you Progressive Government. You will want to first neutralize your TV and Radio Stations.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Bill Powers
August 13, 2020 1:00 pm

Well, right now I’m kinda stuck not only in the middle of a very liberal Toronto, but a very liberal neighbourhood. Nice folks, but you can’t discuss anything with them. I mean, of course, even mentioning the nice weather leads to a Greta-inspired lecture…before they head into their air conditioned million dollar homes…

I hope I can make it back up to Northern Ontario to rejoin my tribe of well-armed rednecks but I’m not hopeful. I mean, how to do you tell your 90 year old dad who puts down a 24 a week of Molson Canadian while he cuts wood and mows his lawn on his 97 acres that the world is going crazy and could I get my old room back?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Caligula Jones
August 13, 2020 1:06 pm

You help him split logs and cut grass. That’s how.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 13, 2020 1:26 pm

A case if Molson or Moose Head wouldn’t hurt, neither.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 14, 2020 11:23 am

Or even, buy him good beer.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Bill Powers
August 13, 2020 1:04 pm

In this time of uncertainty, there is certainty in my my two dogs, one is a female Belgian Malinois and the other a big boy Dutch Shepherd. Both are amazing animals and companions. I will starve before I would let them starve.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 13, 2020 2:36 pm

Joel When that time comes it won’t be their owners that they have to be concerned about. Just don’t let them out of you sight.
If you put them out in your backyard for their evening constitutional go with them. A loaded Mossberg would be a wise choice for protection. Once the starving unwashed masses go on the hunt it will look like something from the Walking Dead.

John Dawson
August 13, 2020 10:56 am

This won’t help you directly Cliff but, here in the UK, a journalist from The Spectator has started up something called The Free Speech Union. If you are a member you may be able to get them to help you in some cases and they have already had a couple of high profile successes, getting a radio broadcaster and a charity director reinstated after similar cases to yours.

Should you start up a crowd funding site to pay appropriate legal costs I would be happy to chip in. This witch hunt has gone too far!

I wish you well, nil illegitimi carborundum 🙂

Reply to  John Dawson
August 13, 2020 11:56 am

If I were Dr. Mass, I’m not sure that I would want to go back to KNKX, knowing that management wants you gone and will be watching your every move to find a new excuse to fire you. Or taking any actions they can to undermine your authority and good name.

Roger Knights
Reply to  MarkW
August 13, 2020 7:17 pm

“I’m not sure that I would want to go back to KNKX”

KNKX hasfive satellite stations in Washington that give it a wide geographical reach and a big listenership. And its listener base is mostly highbrow and interested in Cliff’s high-level broadcasts.

Bob boder
August 13, 2020 10:56 am

i don’t understand how this couldn’t be considered a work place hostile environment case. Cliff was clearly targeted for a simple and honest view point. Since NPR is funded by the federal government this should be a no brainer case for the DOJ.

Reply to  Bob boder
August 13, 2020 11:57 am

At least the current one. If Biden wins, next years DOJ will probably be bringing Dr. Mass up on charges for being a climate denier.

August 13, 2020 11:01 am

One wonders whether those intrusive, uncomfortable thoughts that invade our minds at 3am about the worthiness of our actions creep up on Joey and Matt from KNKX.

I’m betting they do a bit of tossing & turning until they can get their thoughts to pivot to matters more soothing in order to get a few hours of sleep.

But then in the morning, they force that rationalizing upon themselves that gets them through the day, viz –
“Hey, you’re only doing this because you need the income. Once you’re financially in the black, you can move on to doing something more savory for an income . . .”

But they will forever be haunted by their arrant hypocrisy during their KNKX gig.

Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 11:59 am

From what I’ve observed, leftists are never bothered by their actions. Since they are doing it for a good cause, their consciousness is always clear.

Reply to  MarkW
August 13, 2020 12:35 pm

Their “conscience” even . . .

Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 1:18 pm

Good catch on the grammatical intricacies of English Herr Reichsführer.

Hopefully, (but I confess my doubt) you also caught Mark’s observational analysis which, unlike your inane, contradictory speculation, provides the reader with the actual outcome of the modern Left’s moral (non)dilemma when rationalizing their behavior.

Reply to  sycomputing
August 13, 2020 2:13 pm

Au contraire mon ami.
(Sorry I can’t respond in German, but I have a peu of Francaise)

If leftists have to rationalize their behavior to attain a clear conscience , it means they recognize what they’re doing, and it gives them disquiet.

Which means they are only pretending to themselves that their conscience is clear.

Which was my original point.

(Sorry about my pedantry re English expression. It’s getting worse the more online mainstream ‘journalism’ I read)

Reply to  sycomputing
August 13, 2020 2:55 pm

If leftists have to rationalize their behavior to attain a clear conscience , it means they recognize what they’re doing, and it gives them disquiet.

Your premise is false.

Leftists don’t have to rationalize their behavior to attain a clear conscience. Leftists have no “disquiet” with their actions. Their behavior as leftists is wholly good and pure, otherwise they wouldn’t continue to do it. What sort of addlepate would continually behave in such a manner as to cause themselves harm via guilt, while at the same time vehemently attacking those who oppose them?

Is that what you do?

Perhaps you, but certainly not an egoistic egotist leftist. The entire philosociopathy of modern progressivism concerns the “Me, Myself and I” as elohim.

Reply to  sycomputing
August 13, 2020 5:19 pm

What sort of addlepate would continually behave in such a manner

You already know the answer to your own question since you just described leftists’ standard modus operandi (a bit of tautology there?)

Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 5:47 pm

. . . since you just described leftists’ standard modus operandi (a bit of tautology there?)

You should probably finish the quote lest you be caught trying to pass a fallacy as reasonable discourse wouldn’t you agree?

Your (first) logical fallacy is: Cherry Picking

Now then the query still stands: “What sort of addlepate would continually behave in such a manner as to cause themselves harm via guilt, while at the same time vehemently attacking those who oppose them?”

I’m sure you won’t bore me with silliness on your next go at it, yes? 🙂

Reply to  sycomputing
August 13, 2020 7:03 pm

You asked the question, so I’m assuming you already have your answer.

Or was it rhetorical?

And why would you accuse me of “vehemently attacking those who oppose them”?
That is surely ascribing a position to me that has no basis in anything I’ve posted.

Talk about “cherry picking”. Sheesh!

Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 8:04 pm

Still no answer to my question? Is it that difficult?

You weren’t supposed to be a boring bloke. I mean you *sounded* like an intellectual type what with your ostensibly eloquent assumptions and your correcting of people’s grammar and your love of typos and yada, yada, yada.

But as it turns out when pressed you reason like a poser. Or so I would argue.

Don’t you agree?

You asked the question, so I’m assuming you already have your answer.

So your assumption is that when one asks a question, one already has the answer? That seems odd. Is that why most people ask questions in your worldview? Because they already have the answer?

Or was it rhetorical?

Oy vey, and you accuse me of tautologies? 🙂

And why would you accuse me of “vehemently attacking those who oppose them”?

Is that what I did? You’ll quote me where won’t you? Looks to me like your second logical fallacy is Strawman. For shame!

So, obviously the question still stands. Are you able or should I give up believing you have it in you? Don’t let me down now!

Here’s my logical deduction at this point:

“See Mr. [Anonymous] run!”

Reply to  sycomputing
August 13, 2020 10:08 pm

Er, my phrase “standard modus operandi” was the reference to tautology.
I was pointing at myself, not you.

And the logical answer to your self-styled Rumpole-esque question would be –
“misplaced masochism”.

But leftists have so many dysfunctional traits, masochism might be hard to spot among the myriad psychoses.

And what’s the jibe about “Mr (Anonymous)”?
Sure I use a nom-de-blog here, as do most commenters.
Including you – “sycomputing”
That looks like a “logical fallacy” to me 🙂

Reply to  Mr.
August 14, 2020 9:41 am

And what’s the jibe about “Mr (Anonymous)”?

A bad mood. In fact, my entire diatribe toward you was the result of a bad mood.

Sorry about that. I was looking to toss a worthy opponent about the intellectual room for sport and you seemed like one who: 1) was worthy, and 2) would engage. I was right on both counts.

Not that I don’t disagree with you re: progressive motivations. I mean come on, “misplaced masochim”? Is that a clinical term? How in the world are you going to argue this when by your own admission, “masochism might be hard to spot among the myriad psychoses”?

Anyway never mind me on this front, thanks to you I’m much better now. 🙂

Sure I use a nom-de-blog here, as do most commenters.
Including you – “sycomputing”

Well no, not exactly. But you couldn’t have known that without first doing some checking and I gambled you wouldn’t, which of course is why I did it in the first place, i.e., so I could bust you for it when you didn’t. And even if you did I still win. More meanness.

Using my “nom-de-blog” and “The Google,” it shouldn’t take anyone much time at all to get driving directions to my shop’s front door. I’m here all the time.

Speaking of “nom-de-blog”? Am I missing something? I thought it was “nom-de-plume”?

Reply to  sycomputing
August 14, 2020 12:32 pm

Back at ya sycomputing.

I too enjoy the cut & thrust of a good debate.

Nom de plume is “pen name”

A long time since I wrote letters to editors and posted them. Then I used to use a nom de plume.

Have a good day. No doubt we’ll have a stoush over something here down the track 😎

Reply to  Mr.
August 14, 2020 12:40 pm

We’ll see ya ’round mister.

Take care!

Reply to  MarkW
August 13, 2020 1:47 pm

I can only wonder how Mass lasted so long at that station.

In my opinion he should be proud
of being fired – proof he was doing
a good job with his blog.

This attempt to defend himself
however is pathetic because
he doesn’t seem to understand
you can’t debate with keftists.

Sue them or get on with your life
Mr Mass.

They were probably reading every word
in your blog for years hoping for
something to get you out with.

Now they are happy and you are free.

I have been using the Internet since
1997. It is an unwritten rule that
arguments continue until mention
of N a z I s. or. Hit l e r. and then
the argument ends.

You broke that rule.

Another rule is for people to
pontificate online on subjects
they know nothing about.

You broke that rule too, Mr. Mass
because your blog is very good and
should be even better when you stay
away from those pesky leftists who
fIred you … which is like getting a Nobel Prize for a coming climate change crisis skeptic like you.

Three cheers for the Cliff Mass blog.

Abolition Man
Reply to  MarkW
August 13, 2020 2:26 pm

Sociopaths are generally lacking a conscience; which seems to more and more be an outcome of our “modern” indoctrination system known as college. The students are taught to be victims and poor employees by denigrating attempts to strive for the quality and excellence that are the source of our current wealth and prosperity. Much better to toe the Progressive line than become an outcast and a rebel among your peers, even if they’re 180 degrees away from the truth!
And I ain’t gonna comment on the whole grammar folderol as it ain’t that important!

J Mac
Reply to  Abolition Man
August 13, 2020 3:41 pm


Reply to  Abolition Man
August 13, 2020 3:52 pm

I believe it was Hamilton who once quipped that it is a mighty poor mind, that can only think of one way to spell a word.

August 13, 2020 11:07 am

A carefully nuanced letter.
It points out that authoritarians, either in the 1930s or now, will not debate.
And are moving to silence any opposition.
The station has a chance to back down from a potentially tragic situation.
Freedom of the press.

Donna K. Becker
Reply to  Bob Hoye
August 13, 2020 11:51 am

Nuanced, indeed. I noticed that no “wealthy activist” was identified by name, although certainly power and influence come into play.

Donna K. Becker
Reply to  Bob Hoye
August 13, 2020 11:58 am

Certainly nuanced. I noticed that no “wealthy activist” was identified. However, certainly power and influence were involved.

Reply to  Bob Hoye
August 13, 2020 12:43 pm

From the comments on Cliff’s blog:

Science and discussion should always be guiding the left, as it is the antithesis of what the right does.

No room for debate in that, the mind is already made up.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Bob Hoye
August 13, 2020 12:50 pm

Debate? You can only persuade someone with facts and reason to the extent their current position is based upon facts and reason.

These activist groups push people’s emotional buttons. They motivate with fear and anger (and lies, of course).

August 13, 2020 11:07 am

Cliff, Keep up battle for critical thinking. Science needs people like you right now as the many try to destroy it.
From a fan of yours in Eastern Washington.

Gary Pearse
August 13, 2020 11:21 am

“their statement suggested my blog was “inaccurate” and “misleading”—but never backs that up with any evidence.”

This is standard Alinsky-taught modus operandi for leftist activists, which mainstream Democrats have become these days. Michael Mann and his polar bear pseudo-science friends had Susan Crockford fired from U of Victoria in B.C. for presenting evidence that polar bears were healthy and thriving; this is exactly what Mann and other Climate Wroughters said about Michael Moores film “Planet of the Humans” takedown of renewables. No evidence because there was none.

Cliff, you are better shut of this organization. Also, as I advised lefty family and friends, they are not voting for the old party they think is out there. Only the name hasn’t been changed.

CD in Wisconsin
August 13, 2020 11:24 am

“.. If you agree with me, please contact KNKX (see emails of management below) and ask that they reconsider their approach. And if you are a contributor to KNKX, you might withhold your contribution until the station takes a different course….”


I am no legal expert, but I am wondering if you might have a case for defamation of character or violation of your First Amendment rights here. Or maybe both. Have you considered sitting down with a lawyer or legal team to discuss the possibility of a case here? If money is an issue, you could start a GoFundMe campaign just as Peter Ridd has done in Australia. Since your bosses and the station gave you no opportunity to respond to the accusations and/or apologize, you might have legal recourse. Maybe.

The worst the lawyers can tell you is that you probably don’t have a case. At best, they will say that you do. Either way you probably have nothing to lose. You should not just sit and mope as though there is absolutely nothing you can do here.

When the going gets tough, the tough get gong.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 13, 2020 11:32 am

I wouldn’t say he’s “moping” but I agree fully with the legal assault, and would happily contribute to a crowdsource fund.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  brians356
August 14, 2020 9:46 am

How much would a full fledged legal battle cost?
There is the additional risk to run into a leftist judge which means you lose the case…
How about using the crowd funding money to found a new radio station? Competition would really hurt KNKX more that legal action, especially if a lot of Mass’ supporters would change to the new station….
But then, there’s the risk that antifa would burn the place down… with support of the Democrats in Seattle…

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 13, 2020 12:32 pm

” . . . the tough get gong.”
🙂 🙂 🙂

I love typos – they can produce some extraordinarily evocative ideas.

(I’m picturing a state of “gong” looking like that big green comic guy The Incredible Hulk.)

One day, I’m going to assemble a collection of the most amusing typos.
Watch this spack.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 12:53 pm

….the tough get going.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 1:20 pm


I anybody’s gong deserves to be banged, its that radio station’s…..

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 13, 2020 2:19 pm

Thanks CD. Blondie is still in the top 10 on my playlist.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 13, 2020 3:29 pm

T-Rex (1971) Bang a Gong (Get it On) (with Elton John)

Alan in Kansas
Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 2:36 pm

Nowadays automatic data validation takes typos to a whole new level. One of my favorites:

A priest, a minister, and a rabbit go into a bar.
The bartender looks at the rabbit and says,”What will you have?”.
The rabbit says, “I don’t know__ I’m only here because of AutoCorrect.”

Reply to  Alan in Kansas
August 13, 2020 4:48 pm

🙂 🙂 🙂 Good one Alan.

There’s also an old snorter of a joke about the panel of 3 spiritualists at a seminar where an audience member asks them if they’ve ever had sexual intercourse with a ghost.

The 1st panel member says – No. The 2nd says – can’t say that I have.
The 3rd member says – yes I have to say that I have.

Everyone in the audience and the other panel members were aghast at his answer.

A follow-up question from the audience member was – did you know this ghost when she was alive?

The panel member answered – ghost? Oh, I thought you said GOAT.

Reply to  Alan in Kansas
August 13, 2020 7:44 pm

The rabbit says, “I don’t know — I’m only here because of AutoCarrot.”

Roger Knights
Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 7:25 pm

“I love typos – they can produce some extraordinarily evocative ideas.”

When trying to type “the human comedy,” Aldous Huxley accidentally hit the letter next to the “c” and came out with what he considered a great variation: “the human vomedy.”

Reply to  Roger Knights
August 13, 2020 9:02 pm

Back in the 60s there was a private college newspaper whose front-page lead article was about an upcoming open-house in one of the women’s dormitory. In big bold letters the title said that the dormitory would be open for “Public Display” — except that they left out the “l” in “Public” — and no one caught it until part way through the printing run. Needless to say, a photocopy of that typo made it into Playboy magazine.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Mr.
August 13, 2020 9:17 pm

When the going gets tough, the tough get groin injuries.

h/t Garret Morris, SNL

Roger Knights
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
August 15, 2020 10:37 pm

When the going gets tough, make lemonade.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 13, 2020 4:20 pm

One can certainly file any suit one chooses, for any reason, but I doubt there is much actionable ground here. First, the protection of the First Amendment accrues to individuals in regards to their relationship with the state and federal governments, not private employers. I am not free to sound off to the detriment of my employer and expect that the First Amendment will shield me from any retaliatory response. I certainly do not think Cliff’s blog could be considered a “shot over the bow” at KNKX, but they are free to draw their own conclusions, however ill-considered, baseless, and misbegotten they may be.

As a public figure, the defamation bar is really high for any plaintiff in Cliff’s position to clear. You have to prove that the statement or statements were wrong, they knew they were wrong, they published anyway, AND that Cliff suffered damages of some sort. Reasonable individuals will instantly recognize the flimsiness of the station’s position so he isn’t damaged there, and the hyenas on the left can’t hold him in any worse regard, so no damage on that side either.

Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
August 14, 2020 7:55 am

All you need to prove is either malice, or an flagrant disregard for the truth.
In this case, they never asked for an explanation and they never gave any evidence that their charges were true.
That should cover the flagrant disregard angle.

If you could get your hand on internal e-mails, I wouldn’t be surprised if the malice part could be proved as well.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
August 14, 2020 8:43 am

The Left has made suing their enemies a standard practice – “the process is the punishment”

August 13, 2020 11:28 am

Sue the diapers off them!

August 13, 2020 11:28 am

Does the NPR network have any influence over how member stations like KNKX operate? That is, does comment from outside the KNKX area help?

Reply to  pouncer
August 13, 2020 12:02 pm

I’d be very surprised to find out that any of the other affiliates have any issues regarding Dr. Mass’s treatment.

Reply to  pouncer
August 13, 2020 12:24 pm


The lot that will shoot you at the spot within the least challenge you opposed to them.
Even when in many ways of propaganda and dogma the Nazis will propagate them self as the superior,
the lucid lot of making the world a better place, and saving it from the “vermin”, aka the rest that will not please, support or worship them lot and their insanity.

The worst fascist exercise ever applied en masse,
well till now, in the day of Neo Nazis.
Which makes the ones of past look literally like “monkeys” in comparison of/for the evil acts considered,
as for the latest insane lot.

The main problem then, same as now,
the people at large, never will have consider it and believed the actual proposition of that evil, and its outcome consequences, till it was too late.


George Daddis
Reply to  pouncer
August 14, 2020 7:54 am

When Cliff asks “What should you do?” I’m surprised no one has suggested a renewed effort to remove government subsidies from ‘public radio”. The concept has long ago outlived (and violated) its original intent – adding an unbiased non political voice to a limited choice of broadcast media.

Many PBS stations have mirrored the BBC and declared any guests who challenged the orthodox position on climate was providing a “false balance” on the subject.

Reply to  George Daddis
August 14, 2020 9:36 am

Balance would be two guests, one who claims CO2 is going to kill us in 20 years, and the other who thinks we have 100 years left.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
August 18, 2020 2:52 am

Balance, to the left, is two wolves and one lamb discussing what’s for dinner, with only the wolves being allowed to speak.

Nick Graves
August 13, 2020 11:34 am

There are clearly some sinister actors in the USSA these days.

Keep up the good fight, Cliff.

August 13, 2020 11:34 am

Like all other “isms’ out there, facism is thrown around with abandon..we’re approaching the point where no one will understand what the real thing looks like when there actually are real facists and I believe this is intentional. Reading this piece only further serves to reinforce what I’ve known all along to be true about public radio..It’s a safe-space, echo chamber for left leaning idealists incapable of hearing any dissenting opinion from what they consider to be heretics. The whole lot of them are nothing but a bunch of dyed in the wool hypocrites for what they’re doing..Keep up the fight Cliff.

August 13, 2020 11:38 am

Seattle is lost to the Progressive Fascists. Time to leave and let the city burn itself down.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Graemethecat
August 13, 2020 11:53 am

REI, the outdoor equipment and clothing conglomerate, just finished a beautiful NEW campus in Seattle. Outdoor spaces, walkways, green forest meeting areas. Cost $10’s of millions of dollars.

They are now trying to sell it. Never used.

REI claims it is because COVID wrok place restrictions have pushed so many employees to work remotely. While that may be true in the short term, everyone knows COVID work place limits are temporary. Anyone who doesn’t realize this is likely more related to the business and safety climate now in downtown Seattle is just deluding themselves and ignoring what serious businesses, even “progressive” minded businesses have to do now to have safe, stable working environments and not endure shake-downs for “head” taxes by socialist City Councils.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 14, 2020 7:57 am

BLM is now demanding that whites who live in gentrified neighborhoods give their homes to poor blacks, so that “historically black” neighborhoods could remain black.

Aren’t these the same guys who got upset when whites tried to keep their neighborhoods white?

Roger Knights
Reply to  Graemethecat
August 13, 2020 7:30 pm

“Time to leave ….”

Amazon had enough of the city council a couple of years ago, when it abandoned its plan to expand in Seattle and instead decided to locate the next 50,000 HQ employees out of town. Another instance of Bezos’s foresight.

Joel O'Bryan
August 13, 2020 11:42 am

This is why I have such contempt for today’s (il)Liberals and Democrats. Calling them names though simply isn’t enough. They claim tolerance and free-speech. But they are clearly the intolerant and will do anything to suppress speech which does not conform to their views. Cliff gave multiple examples of this here in this blog post. We all have seen hundreds of very public examples of this in the last 4 years, in news, on other’s blogs across the English speaking Democracies, and here on WUWT posts.

It is time to put the Left out of any semblance of political power. Vote them out of office. Punish the Democrats for their leftward lurch towards Marxism with fascist tactics used against political foes.

Yes, the Trump visctory of Crooked Hillary was pivotal moment in our history. In the 3 1/2 years since, the Democrats’ left moving forces have now fully shown themselves for what they are, Marxist-fascist seeking power over a free People by any means, and they have lots of like-thinking allies now in the media outlets.

Vote and make sure your family and friends votes. Make sure they understand what is at stake. The people of Seattle now face an uphill battle to fund the recall election ads versus a well-funded anti-Semitic, Muslim-loving crowd of well-funded Progressives. It would have been easier if Seattle voters had never put them in office and handed them keys to power.
But even with recalls, voting the the Leftist-Marxists out of office will be a lot easier now than having to force them out later.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 13, 2020 2:46 pm

It seems that Progressivism has attained it’s goal of becoming the new secular religion of the our elites! Whether in government, media or education; Progressives can congratulate themselves on being THE most woke and aware of all! Sadly, their theology has little or no connection to reality and humanity!

You are absolutely right that we need to vote them out of office, but we also need to ensure that this religion of bigotry and lies is not taught in our schools or encouraged in our media! The dumbing down of our children by Progressive teachers and professors will take at least a generation to reverse and may never occur because of the malignant forces behind it like the Chinese Communist Party and the puppet masters using $0R0$ as their cats paw.

City’s like Portland, Seattle and San Francisco will not return to prominence for years due to their deep compliance with the Progressive dogma and fanaticism!

Joel Snider
August 13, 2020 11:45 am

If more people were as courageous back in the day the Third Reich might not have happened.

We still have time to stop the Fourth.

Reply to  Joel Snider
August 13, 2020 3:45 pm

The people in Germany with the most to lose were carried along with the flood. Their 30-odd political parties were unwilling or unable to compromise and unite against the National Socialists and the Communists. Even today we see traitorous “Old Republicans” obstructing the President’s campaign against the Deep State. Here in Calizuela, the incestuous Democrat Party is planning local-level changes to create a Socialist nightmare.

Rick C PE
August 13, 2020 11:49 am

I feel bad for Cliff as I’ve read his blog regularly and I would hardly consider him a right winger. The “cancel culture” seems to go after anyone who is deemed insufficiently progressive (Socialist/Marxist).

There are a few programs on NPR stations that I enjoy listening to, although less since Car Talk, Prairie Home Companion and Whad’Ya Know went away. I even sometimes feel I should make a contribution to financially support them. But then I see the overwhelming progressive bias and constant stream of propaganda and realize that they are already getting some of the taxes I pay to support this crap.

As far as I’m concerned they don’t deserve any financial support – government or private, but if they can survive on donations from left wingers only, fine by me. There’s always AM talk radio.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Rick C PE
August 13, 2020 11:58 am

Cliff blindly aligned himself with those same elements in the Climate Scam.

When they came for the climate change skeptics, I said nothing, for I was not a skeptic.
Now they come for me. Who will speak for me?

This is always been how totalitarians gain power. Cliff closed his eyes for years at what was happening on campuses and in the public discourse. Now it has come for him, for thinking critically and voicing those concerns. There is certainly is a bit of schadenfreude in my observations of this set of events for Dr Mass.

J Mac
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
August 13, 2020 3:48 pm

Spot On, Joel!

Reply to  Rick C PE
August 13, 2020 1:02 pm

“The “cancel culture” seems to go after anyone who is deemed insufficiently progressive (Socialist/Marxist).”

That’s the way the progressives always work. The more power they acquire, the less tolerance for dissent they have.

August 13, 2020 11:52 am

“3. KNKX put out a statement that was factually untrue and easily can be proven false.”

That sounds a lot like libel.

Reply to  MarkW
August 13, 2020 6:52 pm

That they didn’t check with you prior to releasing the statement.
That they don’t have any evidence to back up their statement.
That they refuse to retract the statement even after your correcting them.

That speaks to the reckless disregard for the truth that is necessary for a so called public figure to prove libel.

August 13, 2020 11:53 am

These tales are always sad ones.

When you are an abused spouse, full of bruises, maybe broken bones – there is no way to “reform” the abuser and save the marriage. The only route is to divorce, take them for every bit of money you can, and advertise them far and wide.

Unfortunately, Dr. Mass is exhibiting all of the behaviors of the abused spouse. This should maybe be called “abused liberal syndrome.”

Hari Seldon
August 13, 2020 11:57 am

Dear Mr. Cliff,

Thank you for your contribution. The good news for you (and for others in similar situation like your situation): Both nazism and marxism-leninism have ended in a total bankruptcy. I am too young to know personally nazism, however me (and my family) have practical experiences with marxism-leninism (I was born in East-Europe). I know exactly that marxism-leninism is a dead-end street. As a sportsman I can only advocate you: Please, never give up, we shall win. You (and us) are on the right side. Of course it is very bad to see, that marxism-leninism will destroy US and the EU. The current situation remembers me to be very close to a Seldon-crisis. But the only one possible solution to a Seldon-crisis has not crystallized yet, currently there are more possible outcomes. So we should wait some more time to narrow the set of potential options to only one, to the SOLUTION. Everybody should deliver his/her small contribution to the solution. However, it is felt that the automatic opening of the Seldon-crypt and the appearance of Hari Seldon is very close.

Reply to  Hari Seldon
August 14, 2020 10:35 am

Unfortunately, I doubt there’s a real “Hari Seldon” working in the background to help civilization like in the story. And even in the story, they were still looking at 10000 yrs of dark-ages….

Reply to  beng135
August 17, 2020 11:18 am

If there is no Hari Seldon, how the hell did Trump get elected?

August 13, 2020 12:00 pm

Hi Cliff, great post, thanks a lot.

You wrote

Jewish businesses like Uncle Ikes were deliberately targeting during the Seattle riots

Shouldn’t this be “targeted” instead of “targeting”?

Reply to  lb
August 13, 2020 3:54 pm

It’s clear in context, but I had not read anywhere about this targeting, not even on the Internerd.

August 13, 2020 12:01 pm

Hi Charles–thank you for taking a stand at such a high cost! So many of us do not have the courage. I did write to the station about your firing–not that they will listen, but I stand with you and want others to know it.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Shelly
August 13, 2020 11:15 pm


HD Hoese
August 13, 2020 12:12 pm

I have some interests up that way, discouraging that most counties are sanctuaries. Wondered about the local coverage.–found this–

I remember WWII quite well, Twain is usually given credit for history not repeating itself, but “it rhymes.”

August 13, 2020 12:13 pm

“People deserve the government they elect” and the people of Seattle are getting it real good. What did they expect when they elect a bunch of hard lefties? Well, you now see the results, and you shouldn’t be surprised. Loss of free speech, riots and destruction, loss of a very good police chief, lack of law enforcement and public protection, higher taxes and more to come.
Just remember all this when you vote in November.

August 13, 2020 12:19 pm

people ask why I say NPR and PBS are a waste of money…’s why.

Justin Burch
August 13, 2020 12:30 pm

Seems to me to be yet another case of the left eating their own. I’m sorry you got burned but play dogs, you’re going to get fleas, and probably worms too. Somewhere is a nice conservative station that will appreciate you.

Jason Foster
August 13, 2020 12:32 pm

One more way you can reach out and let KNKX know about its egregious mistake, just go on their FB page and leave an appropriate review:

My negative review:

Whatever happened to the free speech ideal “I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”?

It appears at KNKX this ideal has transformed into “We disagree with what you say, and will do everything in our power to silence you.”

As a public organization your duty is to represent the public, in its entirety, including the public that may agree with Cliff Mass on various topics.

But your organization only seems interested in representing certain political voices, thus you are derelict in your duty and your mission is corrupted.

If the management and directors at KNKX have an ounce of integrity, they will correct this shockingly bad mistake.

In the context of current political affairs, you do not fix injustice with more injustice, and I believe your treatment of Cliff Mass is an injustice.

August 13, 2020 12:40 pm

1st Amendment violation.

CM focuses upon his personal experience with ONE NPR station, understandably. However, believing the offensive conduct, to silence discourse, is an isolated instance would be grossly naive. It is now pervasive. Most disturbing is the practice by publically-funded broadcasters: NPR and PBS, who maintain little more objectivity than corporate counterparts like NYT and WP. But for those scurulous outfits the public does not pay. Nor should it any longer for NPR and PBS. Defunding the agenda-driven machine is the only way to reverse the pattern.

This conclusion has been recognized by the British public who, increasingly, are calling to defund the BBC.

Curious George
Reply to  Alex
August 13, 2020 3:03 pm

The fact that you noticed parallels is most offensive. The behavior of KNKX confirms that you did not distort anything. Just curious .. the two managers who fired you.. were they with the station when you helped to save it?

August 13, 2020 12:41 pm

You proved their point though. Firing someone who disagreed with them is exactly the kind of behavior one would expect from really bad people. These people are not just people with who we have a difference of opinion. They are evil.

Jeffery P
August 13, 2020 12:43 pm

This is 21st century method of dissappearing people.

Instead of armed thugs in black clothes taking you from your home in the middle of the night, they no just literally attempt to ruin your life by getting you terminated, ostracized and bullied online. You will be censored and deplatformed. More than just terminated, they may force you to change cities, careers or both.

On the outer Barcoo
August 13, 2020 12:46 pm

Riots and looting in Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles and Chicago: all with city and state administrations controlled by the Democratic Party. The MSM cognitive dissonance is stunning.

Reply to  On the outer Barcoo
August 13, 2020 1:21 pm

They are the democrat party, never call them democratIC.


Jeff Alberts
Reply to  SteveT
August 14, 2020 7:27 am

The only correction I would make, Capital “D”.

August 13, 2020 12:54 pm

We stand with Mass and Ridd in Thailand at a time when Western Civilization has lost its way.

Maybe the old civilization cycle … Strong men bring good times. Good times breed weak men. Weak men bring bad times. Bad times breed strong men …. Strong men bring good times….

Reply to  Chaamjamal
August 13, 2020 9:42 pm

You impress on more than one front.
When are you going to do a guest essay Chaamjamal?
It’d be a smart move . . .

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Chaamjamal
August 14, 2020 7:28 am

Chaamjamal, why do you only mention men?

August 13, 2020 1:30 pm

This reminds me of NPR’s firing of Juan Williams in October, 2010. He made a truthful statement that was politically incorrect and it got him fired. It was also ironic in his case as Juan was and is if a very committed liberal but he just had to make one politically incorrect statement and he was fired.

Bob Ernest
August 13, 2020 1:35 pm

There is a quote out there (or two) about good people having to stand up and be counted, when the weight of the bad guys is agin ya.
You have fought the good fight and it has been and is important. The old saw about a lie running around the world before truth gets “its boots on” is important here. Your documenting what happened will allow others to better understand what we are up against. My best friends are NPR devotees. They have no clue about the dark side.
Thanks for you testimonial.

August 13, 2020 3:20 pm

One thing I have learned in life: The quickest way to make someone angry is to be right. What happened to Mr. Mass once again proves that adage correct.

History repeats itself. Mao’s Red Guard waged a war against the Four Olds: Old habits, old customs, old culture, old ideas. What are modern progressives doing? Removing old culture by destroying statues and calling for a ban of history. Removing old customs, such as religion, family, and respect for police. Removing old ideas, such as “give me liberty, or give me death”. Removing old habits, such as hard work.

Here is an example.
This opinion piece says that the 1st amendment is bad. Part of this amendment also protects free speech. The progressives work double-overtime to make sure only their speech is heard and all offending speech is cancelled. Already they say that all speech is free except for “hate speech”. And who defines “hate speech”? Why, they do, of course. And nothing is more hateful than the truth. We are not yet prosecuted for ‘wrong’ speech or truthful speech, but I sense it is coming. If the 1st amendment goes, so will the 2nd, and the 5th. It is coming. The Marxists are growing up, the conservatives are dying of old age. As soon as the democrats regain control of Congress and the Presidency, look for our rights to be taken away. Probably by backdoor means, a treaty with the UN.

Javert Chip
August 13, 2020 3:37 pm

I’m in complete support of Dr Maas against this fascist mindset, but if you try to teach a pig to sing, you’ll only get dirty and irritate the pig.

R Taylor
August 13, 2020 3:38 pm

A “revenue neutral” carbon tax is just great, although it is more “neutral” to the Woke than to the farmers and truckers that supply them with high quality food. An “activist empowering” carbon tax isn’t OK because it gives a little more to the Woke who call the farmers and truckers names for their trouble. Got it.

Richard Ilfeld
August 13, 2020 3:57 pm

Several of our cities have entered a death spiral. The tax base can no longer support reasonable services even if the politics, by come miracle, reforms. One would have thought Seattle far too wealthy & sophisticated, and full of 21st century businesses, to follow a city with years of issues like Chicago. One might be wrong, if things are bad enough that the reasonable vote with their feet before the left loses its grasp. We’ve been a nation with a warehoused underclass in lawless urban ghettos before, and have put forth much effort to repair this. But the strange alliance of the supposedly oppressed who have been making gains for generations and the revolutionary left is rapidly undoing the progress. One wonders if we will have and interest in trying again; we have accepted from Dr. King that we shared responsibility, but these trouble seem more like self inflicted wounds. 260 million of us in 95 percent of the land areas can manage without urban America if Urban America rejects us. I notice these folks don’t ply much in smaller towns where they can’t remain anonymous.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Richard Ilfeld
August 14, 2020 7:34 am

All it will take is for Amazon and Boeing to completely leave Seattle, then the money from all the highly paid employees will dry up. The homeless will take over more than they are now. It will be a dead zone.

August 13, 2020 4:39 pm

“Jewish Americans have a deep memory of what has happened during the past centuries.”

With respect, I disagree. Only some Jewish Americans remember what really happened between 1924 and 1945. What too many “remember” is fiction: that Nazis were not Socialists, that Hitler came from the Right wing, that the Big State is a wonderful and generous thing. They ignore obvious, rampant antisemitism in the Democrat Party, and they vote Democrat. The next Hitler will come from where the last one came–from the Left. It’s silly to say “Never again!” and vote for Leftists.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
August 13, 2020 10:18 pm

It’s silly to say “Never again!” and vote for Leftists.

Its not silly. Its suicidal.
Aside from that, as the son of a holocaust survivor, every word jorgekafkazar said bears repeating.

August 13, 2020 4:42 pm

Cliff: Thanks for this important post. I think you can count on help if you need to set up a GoFundMe page. Good luck, don’t give up.

Jarryd Beck
August 13, 2020 4:51 pm

Sounds like unfair dismissal. Can you take them to court or some tribunal?

David Long
August 13, 2020 5:10 pm

Was I just unaware, or wasn’t there a time in this country when employers didn’t have a claim on every minute of your life? Didn’t we used to believe that what you did on your own time was your own business as long as it was legal?

Reply to  David Long
August 13, 2020 6:55 pm

For most people in prominent, or public positions, there are provisions in your employment contract that you can’t do anything that will embarrass or bring shame on your employer.

David Long
Reply to  MarkW
August 14, 2020 5:55 pm

I never thought about that. But it does seem like were seeing those kind of standards, freely interpreted, being applied to everyday folks lately.

August 13, 2020 5:36 pm

Government funding any media like NPR or PBS is akin to communist run state media. It has no place in America. We see the results.

Roger Knights
August 13, 2020 7:55 pm

Here are three successive comments I posted on Judy Curry’s Climate Etc. site:

1. Roger Knights | August 8, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Reply
KNKX said, “We turn to our regular commentators for their expertise and points-of-view when it comes to sports, food and the weather. But if a commentator, even on his own independent platform, delivers rhetoric that is offensive and inaccurate, we cannot support it.”

So will it dismiss leftist commenters for “rhetoric that is offensive and inaccurate”? To ask the question is to know the answer, as the French are wont to say.

BTW, KNKX isn’t just a Tacoma station; it has about five affiliated stations elsewhere in Washington that merely rebroadcast its signal.

2. Roger Knights | August 8, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Reply
PS: Of course Mass’s near-equivalencing of the Seattle CHAZ/CHOP occupiers to 1937 brownshirts was quite a stretch—one could even call it “extreme”—because ALL the brownshirts were extremists and were PRIMARILY “looking for trouble.”

3. Roger Knights | August 8, 2020 at 11:59 pm

Joshua: “Part of their very existence hinges on their appeal to their audience. Cliff Mass knows this when he speaks publicly.”

But did he? The station didn’t cite any contractual language obliging him to be discreet, or mention any informal “understanding” to be so.

“It’s fascinating that so many people think that he should be protected like a snowflake from facing easily predictable consequences for his actions.”

The consequences were not “easily predictable.” AFAIK, he hadn’t engaged in that sort of comparison before (i.e., he wasn’t a repeat offender), he wasn’t broadcasting his opinion to the KNKX audience, he hadn’t been warned not to do so elsewhere, and probably less than 5% of the audience would have learned of what he blogged.

And Mass’s main criticism was sound—it was of the authorities for backing down in the face of rioters who were attacking buildings and people (and police stations). His criticism of the rioters as acting like anti-democratic bullies was not far from mainstream opinion of them, and shouldn’t have been a firing offense.

So I don’t think the station itself would have dismissed him if it hadn’t been threatened with (donation-diminishing) abuse by activists if he had been let off with only a warning, although that would have been an appropriate response. I think what’s happened is a lamentable example instance of the power of cancel-culture Jacobins to cause a dismissal for stretching an analogy too far.

“It’s fascinating that so many people think that he should be protected like a snowflake from facing easily predictable consequences for his actions.”

Besides not conceding that dismissal was easily predictable from the making a Kristallnacht analogy, my other objection, in common with the objection of many others (of those who are objecting), is that this standard of punishment will not be applied even-handedly. I strongly suspect that many of NPR’s regular commenters have repeatedly characterized others as fascists—not just of acting like them—but that they will not endure any consequences. THAT’S what’s predictable. And annoying.

August 13, 2020 8:25 pm

Orwellian thought police are here and alive. I remember reading
1984 and wondering how could George imagine such a world. All he
got wrong was the year. It’s here and and frighteningly real.
WUWT is an island of sanity in a dystopian sea.

Reply to  Dan-O
August 14, 2020 8:32 am

Wikipedia says in early drafts of the novel Orwell was still calling it “The Last Man in Europe”. Then he called it 1980, then 1982, and only later 1984. Imagination? He had WWII to work from. He fought in the Spanish Civil War. See also his previous essay: “Notes on Nationalism”. He defines nationalism as the desire for power, and includes communism. He considered himself a democratic socialist.
His life was his influencer:

Darren Porter
August 13, 2020 8:40 pm

if you go far enough to the left or right you just come about full circle

Nick Graves
Reply to  Darren Porter
August 14, 2020 12:55 am

That’s why I prefer the Political Compass – it’s more accurate.

Komerade Cube
August 13, 2020 8:47 pm

“Public” broadcasting long ago outlived its usefulness. Its time to defund it.

Mike Dubrasich
August 13, 2020 9:29 pm

Follow the money is one approach. KNKX and all of NPR relies on G. Soros funds filtered through various secretive entities. The purpose is to wreak havoc, destroy capitalism, and thereby disrupt and dismantle the USA.

But the toadies at KNKX are low paid. Their financial incentives are meager. They are dedicated to the Cause, which is to wreak havoc, destroy capitalism, and cripple the USA. They don’t need much incentive to pursue their mission.

Their madness is inculcated to the bone by their peers, teachers, employers, and possibly their parents. They would pursue their petty revolution for food stamps and dope. They are diehard adherents and utterly blind to reason, rationality, critical thinking, history, or real science. Or even personal gain.

That’s why they are utterly blind to the destruction of Seattle: the riots, looting, arson, vandalism, abuse, murder, and other agonies of societal collapse. That’s why they can’t see the parallels to Kristalnacht and Nazism. That’s why they can’t tolerate a discussion, or a discussant of such, in their midst.

Nor are the KNKX toadies alone. A militant army of anarchist/communist (paid) youth are rampaging numerous cities. The politicians there and in various capitols are cowed or complicit. This well-funded insurrection by paid fanatics is not going to fade away after the election no matter who wins. There is a reckoning coming, and it’s going to be ugly.

August 14, 2020 1:36 am

Meanwhile, climateers prepare plan B, justifying cancellation of fossil fuels in the case that the climate change CO2 story turns out to be false. It’s all about air quality!

August 14, 2020 2:57 am

De-Fund NPR!

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  john
August 14, 2020 8:46 am

De-fund the Left!

August 14, 2020 10:06 am

Rioting does not equal protesting. They are entirely different events.

August 14, 2020 12:02 pm

Juan Williams was another victim of NPR’s boutique Leftist orientation. He’s certainly not a man of the Right, but got screwed for a personal comment that he made that did not comport with NPR’s editorial “values.” While they probably had a right to do so, it betrayed the official lie that the organization is politically impartial. There was no respect for what appeared to be a sincere and serious concern coming from an American. I encourage readers to do a little research on this one.

I was once, a very long time ago, a very hardcore listener of two NPR stations, despite having pretty conservative beliefs at the time and to this day. After an angry hatchet job on the Catholic Church, I punched out. There was no rebuttal, no differing position or objection aired. Again, they were within their rights to broadcast the program, but it alienated me terribly. They lost my contribution.

David Gump
August 14, 2020 7:59 pm

Cliff, you have about 14 months to file a competing application to the FCC for the license your former bosses now hold. It’s the only way to have a station that presents all sides without bias. You should try a global GoFundMe to raise cash from conservatives and actual liberals (who still believe in open discourse).

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