
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
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I was curious to know if the Pope saw the crisis and the economic devastation it is wreaking as a chance for an ecological conversion, for reassessing priorities and lifestyles. I asked him concretely whether it was possible that we might see in the future an economy that – to use his words – was more “human” and less “liquid”.
Pope Francis: There is an expression in Spanish: “God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives.” We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods? I don’t know if these are the revenge of nature, but they are certainly nature’s response.
We have a selective memory. I want to dwell on this point. I was amazed at the seventieth anniversary commemoration of the Normandy landings, which was attended by people at the highest levels of culture and politics. It was one big celebration. It’s true that it marked the beginning of the end of dictatorship, but no one seemed to recall the 10,000 boys who remained on that beach.
When I went to Redipuglia for the centenary of the First World War I saw a lovely monument and names on a stone, but that was it. I cried, thinking of Benedict XV’s phrase inutile strage (“senseless massacre”), and the same happened to me at Anzio on All Souls’ Day, thinking of all the North American soldiers buried there, each of whom had a family, and how any of them might have been me.
At this time in Europe when we are beginning to hear populist speeches and witness political decisions of this selective kind it’s all too easy to remember Hitler’s speeches in 1933, which were not so different from some of the speeches of a few European politicians now.
What comes to mind is another verse of Virgil’s: [forsan et haec olim] meminisse iubavit[“perhaps one day it will be good to remember these things too”]. We need to recover our memory because memory will come to our aid. This is not humanity’s first plague; the others have become mere anecdotes. We need to remember our roots, our tradition which is packed full of memories. In the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius, the First Week, as well as the “Contemplation to Attain Love” in the Fourth Week, are completely taken up with remembering. It’s a conversion through remembrance.
This crisis is affecting us all, rich and poor alike, and putting a spotlight on hypocrisy. I am worried by the hypocrisy of certain political personalities who speak of facing up to the crisis, of the problem of hunger in the world, but who in the meantime manufacture weapons. This is a time to be converted from this kind of functional hypocrisy. It’s a time for integrity. Either we are coherent with our beliefs or we lose everything.
You ask me about conversion. Every crisis contains both danger and opportunity: the opportunity to move out from the danger. Today I believe we have to slow down our rate of production and consumption (Laudato Si’, 191) and to learn to understand and contemplate the natural world. We need to reconnect with our real surroundings. This is the opportunity for conversion.
Yes, I see early signs of an economy that is less liquid, more human. But let us not lose our memory once all this is past, let us not file it away and go back to where we were. This is the time to take the decisive step, to move from using and misusing nature to contemplating it. We have lost the contemplative dimension; we have to get it back at this time.
And speaking of contemplation, I’d like to dwell on one point. This is the moment to see the poor. Jesus says we will have the poor with us always, and it’s true. They are a reality we cannot deny. But the poor are hidden, because poverty is bashful. In Rome recently, in the midst of the quarantine, a policeman said to a man: “You can’t be on the street, go home.” The response was: “I have no home. I live in the street.” To discover such a large number of people who are on the margins … And we don’t see them, because poverty is bashful. They are there but we don’t see them: they have become part of the landscape; they are things.
St Teresa of Calcutta saw them, and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity. They are not things, not garbage; they are people. We can’t settle for a welfare policy such as we have for rescued animals. We often treat the poor like rescued animals. We can’t settle for a partial welfare policy.
I’m going to dare to offer some advice. This is the time to go to the underground. I’m thinking of Dostoyevsky’s short novel, Notes from the Underground. The employees of that prison hospital had become so inured they treated their poor prisoners like things. And seeing the way they treated one who had just died, the one on the bed alongside tells them: “Enough! He too had a mother!” We need to tell ourselves this often: that poor person had a mother who raised him lovingly. Later in life we don’t know what happened. But it helps to think of that love he once received through his mother’s hope.
We disempower the poor. We don’t give them the right to dream of their mothers. They don’t know what affection is; many live on drugs. And to see them can help us to discover the piety, the pietas, which points towards God and towards our neighbour.
Go down into the underground, and pass from the hyper-virtual, fleshless world to the suffering flesh of the poor. This is the conversion we have to undergo. And if we don’t start there, there will be no conversion.
I’m thinking at this time of the saints who live next door. They are heroes: doctors, volunteers, religious sisters, priests, shop workers – all performing their duty so that society can continue functioning. How many doctors and nurses have died! How many religious sisters have died! All serving … What comes to my mind is something said by the tailor, in my view one of the characters with greatest integrity in The Betrothed. He says: “The Lord does not leave his miracles half-finished.” If we become aware of this miracle of the next-door saints, if we can follow their tracks, the miracle will end well, for the good of all. God doesn’t leave things halfway. We are the ones who do that.
What we are living now is a place of metanoia (conversion), and we have the chance to begin. So let’s not let it slip from us, and let’s move ahead.
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Read more: https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/2/17845/pope-francis-says-pandemic-can-be-a-place-of-conversion-
.His holiness ideas for degrowth would devastate the poor. Modern prosperity gives us choices. Many of us might give to charities, because we can afford to give, but that generosity would dry up real quick if our own families didn’t have enough to eat.
Forced degrowth would remove those choices, we would all be limited to the choices poor people face. All except a very few.
The past has no answers for the poor. For most of human history the poor lived harsh lives and died young, their bodies broken by endless toil.
Today some poor people still slip through the net, but most, at least in wealthy countries, most poor people receive a level of care and help unimaginable even a hundred years ago.
It is in the future we will find a solution for poverty, by building on the successes of today.
Imagine a future of automation and unlimited consumption, where nobody goes hungry or is alone, unless they want some privacy. A future overflowing with enough wealth to satisfy the needs of everyone. A future of achievement and mastery over nature, of leisure and contemplation or excitement and joy, where disease and hunger and perhaps even old age are things of the past.
This is a future worth building.
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One sin that a church can commit is teaching that the poor must be lifted out of poverty by society as a whole while not requiring society to conform to the Church’s beliefs. So if the Pope says that governments must lift up the poor out of poverty, then he must also say that governments need to conform to Catholic teaching. That is not a bad idea in the context of what the bible actually teaches, but requires cooperation at a human level never before achieved. And I think the protestants would take issue with that request. There is so much history on the subject. And for a society to prioritize lifting the poor from poverty certainly denies that Jesus said the poor would always be with us. It also de-prioritizes societal achievements which tend to lift all boats. Jesus himself was not poor even while he adopted a life of servitude and self imposed poverty. His family was at worst middle class if not upper middle class given that his father was a carpenter, one of the most valued professions of the day. The story of the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem is one of government bureaucratic insanity where all of the Jewish society was required to conform to idiotic census requirements. Jesus became a Rabbi, a teacher of the law, and as such was a higher class member of society. He fought against an over reaching government (theocratic at the time) which impacted the poor the most. His family ensured that he was taught in good schools and most likely paid significantly for his education. He was God in human form and what he taught was for all people to recognize the creator and the gift of his son, at which time they would become rich with their inheritance of the kingdom. Rich. This Easter perhaps the poor and everyone else might choose to be rich and then the scourges around the world might start abating. With all due respect to the Pope, it is not the other way around.
Buy my own perception it’s often the very rich who show the least charity.
I did not in any way mention charity nor refer to it which tends toward personal choice and empathy. And charity is not what the Pope espoused in his speech highlighted above. What he said is that the priority of society must change to raise up the living standards of the poor. He believes that we must move from a capitalist system to a socialist system. Now he says that we brought this virus upon ourselves through the harvesting of the natural world and its resources. Yet the virus came from a communist nation where all wealth is redistributed. He blames our western heritage over communist bat crap.
There is no better historical example of raising the living standards of the poorest of people than western democracy and capitalism WITH religious freedom. This world is a transitory experience for people who, according to Christian beliefs, have souls. If a rich man gave all of his wealth away to the poor, he would not buy a spot in heaven. True charity of the spirit begins with acknowledgment that the kingdom will come and Jesus will rule there. That is the true lesson of the rich young ruler in the bible. Once that is accepted, we can expect an abundant life as promised.
Mark I didn’t expand on that comment because it’s a subject, the people who are wealthy to the extreme, I discussed in comments responding to others in this post.
I referred to the the obscene wealth of actors, sports people and people who are famous for being famous. Many of these people have joined the cult that is AGW. They feel that they have the right to promote AGW and it’s their duty to donate large sums of money for their cause. They have become the disciples of the AGW cult. They preach AGW as though it was real and with such a sense of self importance.
The money they have wasted on AGW propaganda and wind and solar renewables would have been better spent on Rehab Centres, temporary accommodation for the homeless, Training Centers and Scholarships, Research Centers and Environmental Studies around how to make practical differences.
Of course there are many philanthropists too who are seeking to make a difference, who have more wealth than they need and who have genuine altruistic values.
The money that has been thrown at the AGW cult amounts to trillions of dollars, and with this money they have spread lies and they have done enormous damage to the environment with their wind, solar and battery industry. To make matters worse they are pushing this industry harder than ever and they haven’t even thought about it’s disposal. This is a farce, a cult, this industry is not clean, green or sustainable, but they themselves are so heavily invested in it now they can’t back out.
Global Socialism is the aim, AGW was created as the new religion. Give the people something to believe in, that way they will think that they can make a difference, even contribute to, strike the fear of AGW into them. Gain power over them, make them feel that it would be wrong not to believe.
Sad that the Pope is being swayed by a cult, and in doing so gives strength to their cause, but then many scientists have sold their souls too, and journalists.
The Pope is a Dope. So, Nature is mad because of “climate change” and the coronavirus is her response. No need to propose a mechanism as to how this could come about…next we’ll find out the Pope believes in “turtles all the way down”…
And he proposes this right before Easter, the holiest of holy days, the bedrock and foundation of Christianity. The Pope does not believe in God, but in Gaia…
Needless to say, during the Black Death in the 1300’s people relied on praying to god for help, something the Pope would understand. Unfortunately that cure allowed 1/3-2/3rds of the population of Europe to die.
Our current pandemic, attended to by science and modern medicine, will be lucky to kill a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population.
I choose modern industrial society for the win
And people were called “conspiracy theorists” when they wondered out loud if politics were involved in replacing Pope Benedict with this charlatan. He has continually attacked church tenets and soiled the cloth given him. One has to wonder what he’s been promised for carrying out his subterfuge.
The church is maintaining its usual standards of scientific rigour. One word – Galileo.
I am usually proud to identify as an actively practicing Catholic but not at times when Pope Francis makes anti science statements like this. What makes it impossible to overlook is that I’ve been an operational meteorologist for 38 years, analyzing and forecasting global weather for energy and agriculture.
The last 40 years on this planet have featured the best weather/climate for life in at least 1,000 years, the last time it was this warm, during the Medieval Climate Optimum.
The Holocene Climate Optimum was WARMER than this in the higher latitudes from 9,000 to 5,000 years ago. There was less Arctic ice then. Note: Authentic climate science(before it was hijacked) always referred to it as an OPTIMUM because the warmer conditions were an optimum for life………just like they are today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
So the pope is full of science crap but so are many of the brainwashed that believe in the made up climate crisis. He is no scientist but gets his information from people that are deceiving him. The Pontifical Academy of Sciences and United Nations/IPCC for instance.
What if they told him the truth. What would happen if we cooled the planet by 1 deg. C and dropped CO2 from the current 410 parts per million to under 300 ppm…….the climate over a century ago, BEFORE it changed?
Plunging crop yields and food production would cause over 1 billion people to starve within 3 years and food prices to triple.
What if somebody explained the Haber-Bosch Process(using natural gas) to him and he realized that close to 50% of the nitrogen in human tissues comes from the manufacturing of fertilizers using this fossil fuel? Take this away and another 2-3 billion people would starve to death……….most of them poor people.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39215/
I’m convinced that he sincerely cares for the poor people of the world but has been fed a steady stream of misinformation, junk science and lies and believes in the manufactured reality, knowing nothing about the realities that I described above.
There are people smarter than me and the pope that have been misled to believe in the fake climate crisis. I just happen to be lucky enough, in a profession that has afforded me the opportunity to observe the reality every day for 4 decades vs needing somebody else’s (flawed) interpretation of it as a main source. So I know the truth.
Pope Francis thinks that climate change and fossil fuels are hurting the poor, when the polar opposite is the case.
Seeing this, is frustrating as a Catholic but the biggest concern that I had in his statement is his bringing up the comparison of Adolph Hitler with Donald Trump.
This is very revealing and disturbing. I am ok with popes having political differences with leaders (for instance, China’s government) but to use his difference of opinion with President Trump to compare Trump with the most evil person in human history, is an unjustifiable position(under any circumstances) driven by what appears to be hatred……….instead of love.
Hate is the most destructive of all emotions. It will cause you to discard your ethical standards in order to justify hurting the person that you hate. It will cause you to embarrass yourself in actions and statements because you are driven by and you are blinded by your hate.
President Trump is the easiest to hate political figure of our time………..if you disagree with his belief system. Many millions that hate him intensely, blame him instead of facing accountability for their own feelings of hatred.
President Trump represents many things that oppose the United Nations belief system. Their objective is to reduce consumption of natural resources by the rich countries(especially the US) and practice a much lower level of “sustainable development”. Trump is the complete opposite. He wants to ramp up the economy and consumption………. the very things they want to diminish.
When you think of the extreme measures that the UN has gone to over the last 4 decades in an attempt to impose their political, global socialism agenda on us(hijacking climate science and feeding lies to us for instance) this is a war that justifies everything. They believe so strongly in their cause that everything is justifiable to accomplish it.
And they have captured the popes brain. It’s like he’s been hypnotized, recruited as their most powerful priest in the climate religion because the pope cares most for the poor and has been hoodwinked into thinking the thing that is benefiting the poor most, fossil fuels is actually hurting them.
Captured brain or not, statements from Pope Francis that target President Trump as another Hitler, to hurt him………that would be offensive if made by anyone…… are the opposite of what we expect from a pope. Nobody can say what is in his heart when he states something this shocking and a blatant lie to smear a political opponent but typically, others do this when they target a person that they hate or want others to hate.
This contradicts much of his preaching of mercy and humility, which he practices in most realms.
Despite that, I truly believe that if Pope Francis knew the truth, his position would be entirely different. He is altruistically motivated and though seriously misguided and possibly affected by the human emotion of hate, I will not completely reject everything about him. There is good in everybody, including Pope Francis.
Here is one view.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/good-bad-and-merciful-pope-francis-after-six-years
“Seeing this, is frustrating as a Catholic but the biggest concern that I had in his statement is his bringing up the comparison of Adolph Hitler with Donald Trump.”
He didn’t name Trump, did he? He probably had in mind some of the leaders in Central Europe who have closed their borders to Middle Eastern refugees, made ethnic-tinged statements, scorned the EU, and attempted to usurp power from their parliaments and rule by decree.
But those behaviors and beliefs are just those of strong-man governments and still pretty far from Nazism, whose basic beliefs were racialism, expansionism, and militarism. (And a hefty dose of paganism.)
Roger,
Thanks for pointing out something I assumed incorrectly.
I was thinking of his stating that Trump was not a Christian back in 2016 for his southern border wall position and some here comparing Trump to Hitler without actually reading his statement closely.
He was probably referring to European leaders as you suggested and I was out of line for suggesting that he hates Trump.
Mike I sympathise with you for how you are feeling in regards to the actions of the leader of your church. Though I am not myself religious I respect and would not begrudge your right, or the rights of followers of other religions to practise their faith. Though sadly some religions have strayed from their original teachings, the basis of most major religions came from a place of love, of seeking forgiveness and understanding and of tolerance. Religious teachings taught us morals.
The Pope has lost sight of the true meaning of being equal in the same way that the AGW cult has. Some people have started calling them a religion, I believe that ‘cult’ is more applicable. They have set themselves ‘above’ us in their quest for global socialist government. They talk about ‘equality’ yet they seek to label and devide humanity. In doing this, the ‘inclusive’ way that people are supposed to treat each other is impossible. This is why we ourselves use the labels ‘left’ or ‘right’ to describe ourselves or others, we want to make our stance clear.
It used to be that you could gauge the way a conversation could go on whether or not you felt comfortable with a person. People did not assume an insult unless of course that was what was intended. I was raised to understand that I would meet alot of people in life who would be very different to me and that was OK. You treat those people with respect and the majority of the time that’s what would come back to you. Get to know them a little and it’s likely you could call them a friend. We didn’t need labels, people were people. You either liked them or you didn’t and it had nothing to do with a label they might wear under today’s rules.
Of course labels are not always divisive, mother is a label I happily wear. The cult is seeking to take these labels from us, mother, father, her, him, she, he etc. Of course the label fireman would have to go too and policemen, and that even applies to men! There are many descriptive terms that we have used for centuries without offending anyone. It is the people of the cult who have declared that we are offended. This is where it’s becoming tricky, the cult are deciding lots of things for us, and if we don’t agree they treat us with disdain and shout us down. There taking the labels we are happy to wear and applying labels we don’t usually deserve, hateful labels such as racist, bigot, far right, Nazi, denier, homophobic etc. They have labelled us with hate. I refuse to wear that label, and the others.
They themselves are spreading hate with incredible speed, not just through MSM but with social media too, newsprint, in fact any way they can. Unfortunately we have been largely shut out from opportunities to fight back, but that is truly what we need to do.
As I said, I am not religious but I still find it appalling to see a man of God promoting a cult.
Peronism is a contagious disease.
“St Teresa of Calcutta saw them, and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity.”
That is what “mother” Theresa saw: Calcutta’s poor as easy pray to crank up the conversion statistics, in the race with other Christian and Muslim powers. She only helped them die, and only after conversion to Roman Catholicism.
Imagine a religion named after the force that empowered it – the Roman Empire – while before 313 AD it publicly tortured Christians to death for public entertainment and even executed the first Christian – Jesus. Theresa fits right in.
https://babylonbee.com/news/pope-says-he-will-address-sex-abuse-scandal-once-hes-finished-talking-about-climate-change
“Did the Pope say Covid-19 is Nature’s Response to Ignoring Climate Change?”
No. Betteridge’s law of headlines is an adage that states: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no”.
Otherwise there would be no “did” and no question mark. At any rate, the Spanish Flu cannot very well be blamed on Climate Change ™.
Nature?? There is a growing body of evidence that this virus very likely could have come from a government lab in China. Not developed by them, but identified and isolated by them for what purpose we don’t know, but possibly escaped and caused this pandemic. What will the Pope say about China if this is shown to be the case?? Nothing I imagine.