Antarctica Warmer 1,000 Years Ago… Now, *That’s* An Inconvenient Truth!

Guest re-blogging by David Middleton

From No Tricks Zone:

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The paper:

Lüning, S., M. Gałka, F. Vahrenholt (2019): The Medieval Climate Anomaly in Antarctica. Palaeogeogr., Palaeoclimatol., Palaeoecol., doi:10.1016/j.palaeo.2019.109251

The full paper can be downloaded here: The Medieval Climate Anomaly in Antarctica.

Figure 4 from Lüning, et al 2019
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Tom Halla
July 21, 2019 2:05 pm

But, but, but, . . .I thought Saint Michael Mann and associates did away with that inconvenient Medieval Warm Period?

commieBob
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 21, 2019 5:03 pm

I owe a great deal to Dr. Mann. He turned me into a skeptic.

Tom Halla
Reply to  commieBob
July 21, 2019 5:06 pm

That bit of historical preposterousness got my interest in the field going as well.

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 21, 2019 8:28 pm

preposterosity : > )

Sean Stowell
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 9:51 am

Hysterical (not historical) preposterosity

Rascal
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 8:44 pm

For me it was Michael Crighton’s “State of Fear “.

Gary Mullennix
Reply to  commieBob
July 22, 2019 8:02 am

Well, don’t leave East Anglica and Climate Gate out of the many reasons.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 4:12 am

But, but, but ……. have you all forgotten about the Piri Reis map?

JMichna
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 22, 2019 7:08 am

That map has long intrigued me, and I’ve done a bit of reading on that topic, along with papers regarding a likely cometary impact tied in to the Younger Dryas 12,800 years ago. In addition to the anomaly of the Piri Reis map, the past several decades of archeological excavations at the Gobekli Tepe site in eastern Turkey, putting that site’s age in roughly the same period as the Younger Dryas “climate change”… it seems to me that there may well have been a fairly advanced, fairly widespread human civilization in existence long before archeological “consensus” of the start of human agriculture, writing, religion, urbanization, etc. only four or so thousand years B.P. Our current “civilization winning streak” may only be our latest iteration… we are the ancestral remnants of the humans that managed to survive the comet-induced Younger Dryas! In any event, some fascinating geological and archeological evidence hints at this scenario.

Ken
Reply to  JMichna
July 22, 2019 9:03 am

Check out Zechariah Sitchin’s work starting with the Twelfth Planet.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  JMichna
July 22, 2019 12:36 pm

JMichna – July 22, 2019 at 7:08 am

…….. the Piri Reis map, the past several decades of archeological excavations at the Gobekli Tepe site in eastern Turkey, putting that site’s age in roughly the same period as the Younger Dryas “climate change”… it seems to me that there may well have been a fairly advanced, fairly widespread human civilization in existence long before archeological “consensus” of the start of human agriculture, writing, religion, urbanization, etc.

BINGO, BINGO

Oh my my, …. proof positive that “great minds think alike”.

J Michna, I agree 100%, ….. an earlier, more intelligent, greater advanced civilization had to have inhabited the earth in order to explain most all of the historical archeological sites, such as, just to name a few: Gobekli Tepe, stone ruins of Puma Punku, Great Pyramid of Giza, the Sphinx, stonework of Machu Picchu, etc.

Utter silliness of those who think/claim that the Egyptians constructed the Great Pyramid or that the Incas built Machu Picchu.

MarkH
Reply to  JMichna
July 22, 2019 2:16 pm

I think that much interesting archeology remains to be found, most under about 200 feet of sea water at present. Some interesting stuff of the coast of India.

EAB
Reply to  JMichna
July 22, 2019 3:54 pm

Are these your own theories or are there book(s) that explore this possibility (earlier advanced civilizations)?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  EAB
July 23, 2019 4:11 am

EAB – July 22, 2019 at 3:54 pm

Are these your own theories or are there book(s) that explore this possibility (earlier advanced civilizations)?

EAB, call them theories iffen you want to, ….. but they are the result of ….. common sense thinking, logical reasoning and intelligent deductions. The 1st clue of an ancient civilization is “where are the tools that had to have been used for construction”?

Search the internet for photographs of Gobekli Tepe, Puma Punku, Great Pyramid and Machu Picchu and then explain how that stonework was fashioned via use of a …… copper chisels and wooden mallets.

Anyway, I don’t know about published books on said theories except for the “unrealistic” science fiction publications ……. but there is lots of published/internet info/data out there about “unexplained” and/or ”unexplainable” physical items, remnants and constructions/structures that had to have been a “product” of an “intelligent” culture that our present culture has no knowledge of other than the aforesaid.

Check these out: Mysterious Prehistoric Artifacts (Photos)

JMichna
Reply to  EAB
July 23, 2019 11:36 am

EAB,
Some of Graham Hancock’s books cover this topic. You can see his evolving thoughts on the matter if you read his stuff in chronological order, as written. “Fingerprints of the Gods: A Quest for the Beginning and the End A Quest for the Beginning and the End,” “Gobekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods: The Temple of the Watchers and the Discovery of Eden,” “Magicians of the Gods: The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth’s Lost Civilization,” and “America Before: The Key to Earth’s Lost Civilization” would be a decent selection to read. Be forewarned, some of it can be tedious, but it’s worth slogging through in my opinion. Though Hancock is a journalist, and not an archeologist nor anthropologist, he provides extensive reference materials and sources in his books, so you can dig as deeply as you wish.

F1nn
Reply to  EAB
July 25, 2019 9:37 am

Look this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzlqpQYU8Go

Graham Hancock : America before : the key to lost earth´s lost civilisation.
That´s a good start.

Scott A Royer
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 22, 2019 8:03 am

BINGO

Robert Alexander
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 7:15 am

The Wikipedia article on Medieval Climate Anomaly (redirects to ‘Medieval Warm Period’) has a very clear graph illustrating this warm period. It is very obvious and you can’t miss it.

chris
Reply to  Robert Alexander
July 22, 2019 10:20 am

This graph is about Antarctica. that graph is about north america and northern hemisphere. but yeah, you can’t miss it.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 23, 2019 5:19 pm

But, but, but, . . .I thought Saint Michael Mann and associates did away with that inconvenient Medieval Warm Period?

Not the first time the “inconvenient” were deleted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union

Peter
July 21, 2019 2:25 pm

The paper is dated 15 Oct 2019…..am I missing something?

Reply to  David Middleton
July 21, 2019 6:02 pm

… namely

This issue is in progress but contains articles that are final and fully citable.

Rod Evans
Reply to  David Middleton
July 21, 2019 11:49 pm

Yes Peter, you are missing a flux capacitor and the 2020 copy of Nature magazine’s 2019 science story round up section.
And, as we have all come to realise, looking into the future with absolute predictable certainty is just one of the great gifts given to us by AGW alarmists and modern media.

Ron Miller
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 22, 2019 11:18 am

Check and mate.

Robert Gallagher
Reply to  Peter
July 21, 2019 6:14 pm

If any of ya wanna debate the climate issue, look around i promise ya humankind has done nothing but destroy the ebvirinment. Any of ya that think different or wish to argue this point go ahead. Drink the water from any source other than treated or bottled. Explain in detqil any argument you have instead of manipulating numbers on either side.

Craig
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 21, 2019 8:22 pm

Robert, the manipulation of numbers is not coming from the skeptics side, we just simply use your false arguments and analysis and point them out to you.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 21, 2019 8:33 pm

Let me give a quick example here Robert.

Let us assume for a moment that I live purely in a location that we shall call ‘my lounge room’.

Assume that at one stage my lounge room was spotless like a catalogue photo.

Then I started throwing my washed clothes onto the lounge instead of folding them, storing half read books on the floor and putting off the vacuuming till next weekend.

You could say that in this situation I had changed my ebvirinment (sic).

However the climate in my lounge room would be exactly the same for all practical purposes and would remain exactly the same until either outside forces came into play (say the depth of winter kicking in) or I created a new heat source into the system (say by setting fire to the coffee table).

Climate and ebvirinment (sic) are not the same thing within the terms of your argument. I have successfully drunk non treated and non bottled water. What am I proving? That ‘Climate Change ™’ does not exist? What are you claiming? That humankind can no longer drink non treated/non bottled water? Sorry to break this to you, but for a significant part of the world over a significant part of human history it has not been safe to drink non treated water. One of the claims regarding the consumption of ale in human history was that even before germ theory was developed people recognised that ale was safer to drink. In fact rather than belittling humankind for their apparent evil, I think you should thank – possibly by drinking a refreshing glass of the substance in question – humankind for having the industrial skill to provide treaded water on a city wide scale so that you are not instead pants down in the small room dying from cholera.

As for manipulating numbers? 97% of Climate Scientists are now angry at you.

Wayne L. Purl
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 22, 2019 7:37 am

At my house we get our water from a well. It is completely untreated as is the water of many of my neighbors. Been drinking untreated water for decades.

Oakspring
Reply to  Wayne L. Purl
July 22, 2019 11:15 am

Ahhhh, but you are drinking TREATED water from your well. It’s been TREATED, i.e. filtered through feet, yards, probably even miles of soil, sand and rock. It may even be water from the last Ice Age depending on the aquifer you’re drawing your water from.

Kirk Echtenkamp
Reply to  Wayne L. Purl
July 22, 2019 3:30 pm

Amen to that. My folks well water is the best ! Drinkinking it 4 over 120 yrs in Nebraska ! How bout them plastic bottles that store water comes in ?

Tim
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 22, 2019 7:51 am

My heavens. This site is refreshing. Reasonable rational logical comments

Cody
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 22, 2019 9:51 am

Craig,

Thank you for this post. I was going to try and explain exactly this to Robert but could not find the right ebivirinment (sic) to do so… I cannot stop laughing my day has been made.

Ray Bolger
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 22, 2019 12:20 pm

Hilarious! Bravo good sir!

JE
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 22, 2019 1:39 pm

And that is how you throw down…

Dave Kline
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 22, 2019 3:21 pm

We have perfectly delicious well water here in upstate NY. No treatment necessary.

John in Oz
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 21, 2019 8:50 pm

Destroying the environment is a different issue to anthropogenic CO2 causing climate change.

If you want to debate the climate issue, stick to the topic.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 21, 2019 10:56 pm

I recall from my yoof of hill walking & mountain climbing, I was taught to avoid drinking any water from a low lying source, because it would be full of the urine & poop of cows, sheep, wildlife, what the hell throw in the Abominable Snowman too, I suppose that’s why these days one can browse a booklet/catalogue for the great outdoors, & buy “carbon” water filters, NB, the filters are not there to filter out carbon, it’s the evil, wicked, nasty, planet killing, carbon that does the filtering, has done for donkeys years! Mind you, I’ve heard rumours that the Greenalists are developing a filter to remove carbon from such devices, called “Alice filters”, take a few drinks via one & you’d soon be in wonderland! 😉 some SARC!

Tom Halla
Reply to  Alan the Brit
July 22, 2019 5:54 am

In the US, at least, it is unsafe to drink from mountain streams because of giardia.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 6:12 am

That’s why I was taught to carry some Chlorine tablets & a portable water filtration system, like a activated charcoal (carbon) based system when hiking/walking! The chlorine kills the bacteria, the carbon filters out the chlorine! (No I don’t work for a walter filtration company of any discription!) AtB 😉

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 9:19 am

Agree with Alan. You NEVER want to get these little bugs into your digestive tract. OMG. Chlorine tabs and Carbon filters

walt
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 11:51 am

Surface water is typically problematic. It is not a climate issue. walt

Daniel Sichel
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 22, 2019 2:08 pm

Absolutely true ANYWHERE in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Humans have changed the natural environment the same way bears and wolves have. We are part of the natural history of our planet.

James McCulley
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 23, 2019 3:00 am

I drink from mountain streams here in the Adirondacks all the time. Just don’t drink from the low side of a beaver pond.

PeterW
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 1:34 am

There has never been a treated water supply in my home. The water I drink straight from the tap has less taste and dissolved solids in it than the bottled “spring water” sold on supermarket shelves.

I have drunk the water – untreated – from high-country streams in Australia and New Zealand many times.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  PeterW
July 22, 2019 3:57 am

There has never been a treated water supply in my home.

Treated or filtered, which are you referring too?

If “non filtered” then source must be “rain/snowmelt water” most of the time

Darrin
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 22, 2019 7:16 am

It’s called a well or a natural spring, not treated or filtered. Keep the outhouse, septic system and the livestock down hill/far away from the well head/spring to maintain potable water. Most of us non city folk grew up on them.

Francisco Machado
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 22, 2019 8:37 am

The source of virtually all the planet’s terrestrial water is rain, snow (or ice) melt. A natural distillation process, precipitation of water evaporated from ocean water.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 22, 2019 12:41 pm

It’s called a well or a natural spring,

That’s what I figured, ..… which mans that your H2O supply is “filtered”.

cheers

Rascal69
Reply to  PeterW
July 22, 2019 5:58 am

Hopefully for you, the squirrels and raccoons weren’t pissing upstream from where you drink.

Gary Mullennix
Reply to  PeterW
July 22, 2019 8:15 am

I think a little research would convince you that treated water, to remove deadly bacteria and other microbes has dramatically improved the lives of billions of people. And, water without dissolved minerals adds nothing to your need for minerals.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 2:39 am

well I drink my rainwater direct from the tanks..can I suggest you stop drinking the koolaid?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 23, 2019 4:17 am

Luv drinking that dilute carbonic acid, …….. do ya?

Dan
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 4:58 am

Ebonics??

Brian McCormick
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 5:46 am

You are off topic but let’s talk about untreated water nonetheless. If you go hiking up in the mountains and drink untreated pristine water from snowmelt you stand a good chance of getting Giardia among other things. It isn’t from humans but from the wild animals that reside there. These animals and their water born diseases have been living there long before humans were around in meaningful numbers. I’ll be the first to agree that the increase in population has caused additional problems. I think science can solve those problems. I think this is a better solution that getting rid of all the people. Obviously you think all the people are the problem. If that is what you think then start with yourself.

Rob Sjoberg
Reply to  Brian McCormick
July 22, 2019 10:04 am

Every time I’ve hiked up near the Continental Divide in Glacier Park I’ve filled my water bag directly from the small streams up there. I’ve never had a bad experience from it except people exclaiming, “Your not going to drink that are you?”.
Once I was up there eating some late season huckleberries off the bushes and a bunch of Japanese tourist came by. I explained that I was surprised to find the ripe hucks up there because the season was past only a little lower down. I expected them to join in sampling some of the berries, but they just looked at me like I was some sort of native savage.

Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 6:21 am

if you feel so strongly that humans are destroying the planet kill yourself & help out the cause

Bernard Neyer
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 6:36 am

There is an easy way to solve this, alternate breathing days. On odd numbered days, starting tomorrow, July 23rd, global warming purists will not breath for 24 hours. On July 24 the problems will be solved and we can all go back to doing what we were doing, before this nonsense reared its ugly head.

MarkW
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 6:39 am

Another troll who believes that any change, if it’s caused by man is evil.
He also believes that the entire world looks like the big city that he lives in.

Calvin Wolfe
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 6:59 am

Gee, you seem very educated…………………lol

Praedor
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 7:16 am

Yes, humans have wrecked the environment but that is totally different from climate change. Pollution of rivers and streams with toxic chemicals, hormone mimetics like RoundUp and other agricultural chemicals, fertilizer runoff, heavy metal toxins, habitat destruction ALL are bad and real. What is NOT real is “human caused climate change” or, if you prefer, a climate catastrophe due to human caused climate change. Nonsense.

Yes, focus on the real: reduce habitat destruction and pollution and dumping plastics into the ocean, etc…REAL issues. Leave the [snip~mod]dictatorship agenda (climate change hoax, Agenda 2030) in the trashbin of history.

Reply: Behave. We do have a minimum level of decorum required.~mod

TM
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 7:20 am

I drink my well water. Many homes here have well water. I drink water from a road side spring in town, as do many others.

I breath the air here in town and I have not have the flu or a cold in fifteen years.

Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 8:00 am

Robert,
Please describe the “climate issue” you mention. I wasn’t aware of any issues.

Gary Mullennix
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 8:09 am

With whom would we debate? And, what would be the topic? Please frame it in a statement form.

Josh
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 9:28 am

I don’t want to debate the climate issue with you but I would like to state for your information in case you are not already aware that you have an extreme bias. Your statement ” i promise ya humankind has done nothing but destroy the ebvirinment” shows you are not objective when looking at the evidence.

If you start from that position then your are only going to find things that back it up and you’ll completely ignore anything that opposes your viewpoint.

Wharfplank
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 10:31 am

Don’t tug on this thread…

Ron Miller
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 11:29 am

As weird as it sounds, even to me ; New York City water is cleaner and better tasting than most bottled water.

Jack Van
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Alexander died from drinking the river water on a dare to prove he was a god. We here drink beer and whiskey instead of wine because the little ice age made wine here impractical. Franklin said that beer was proof god loved us because no city had a good water source. All were the toilet. Mann’s compatriots use the end of that little ice age to define the start of man made global warming. Pandering for grant money.

John Locke
Reply to  Robert Gallagher
July 22, 2019 2:56 pm

I would invite you to drink the untreated water of the Pacific Northwest, gaze upon the growing forest and cleaner air. Man does pollute, but there is no evidence of a climate change, merely weather. Models are garage in, and that garage is the economics of federally funded research

nearboston
Reply to  Peter
July 22, 2019 5:22 am

Yes,

When Global Warming Advocates lie, it’s called a “Typographic Error”
When Global Warming Skeptics produce a Typographic Error it’s called a lie.

Rich Davis
July 21, 2019 2:31 pm

Sudden cooling? Evidence that Al Gore has been spending time in Antarctica?

Citizen Smith
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 22, 2019 10:28 am

I checked some temps in Antarctica on windy.com the other day. I found a -94f. How much colder should it be? Global warming is better than the alternative.

Dan J. Cody
July 21, 2019 2:32 pm

It’s time for Al Gore the bore to pull his head out of his a$$.

Curious George
July 21, 2019 2:35 pm

A nice picture of Al Gore. Doesn’t he look rather prosperous?

beng135
Reply to  Curious George
July 22, 2019 6:41 am

Prosperity can indeed encourage gluttony.

robl
July 21, 2019 2:47 pm

It is no surprise that earlier in the neoglaciation things were warmer. Also the southern hemisphere lags the northern hemisphere by some decades or hundreds of years. It seems that the neoglaciation has finished. This is a good thing, but maybe we should not overdo the lovely warming.

Mark Broderick
July 21, 2019 2:55 pm

“Tony Heller & Dr Tim Ball invited to the Australian Senate by Queensland Senator Malcolm Roberts”

Craig
Reply to  Mark Broderick
July 22, 2019 2:45 am

Its an old video, 2 years ago before Senator Roberts got caught up in the citizenship debacle and had to leave parliament along with a few others tripped with the same problem. However, Senator Roberts is back in parliament to continue his work thanks to being re-elected 2 months ago and we shall see how he pursues this matter of corruption in the Australian CSIRO and BOM.

GeoNC
July 21, 2019 2:57 pm

Hard to see from that abstract how the Medieval climate relates to the data they present. Those data seem to relate to changes in the last 50 years or so.

Pamela Gray
July 21, 2019 2:58 pm

Been looking for the article. There are lots of yeh/nay articles about Antarctica temperature reconstructions, fraught with blending different proxies into a smoothie and some force fitting to Northern Hemisphere proxies as a “thing” people love/hate. Call me unimpressed till I can lay eyes on the study telling us what ingredients were used and how to come up with their version of the Antarctic Temperature Smoothie.

Reply to  Pamela Gray
July 21, 2019 3:47 pm

“I can lay eyes on the study telling us what ingredients were used”
Well, you’ll have to scrutinise carefully anything that comes from NoTricksZone. The graph featured here is actually extracted from a panel of plots, without subtitle. That result isn’t from the Luning study at all, but from a 2017 paper by Stenni et al. The conclusions of Luning et al are mixed; they don’t say anywhere that “Antarctica Warmer 1,000 Years Ago”. They say:
“A generally warm MCA compared to the subsequent Little Ice Age (LIA) was found for the Subantarctic Islands south of the Antarctic Convergence, the Antarctic Peninsula, Victoria Land and central West Antarctica. A somewhat less clear MCA warm signal was detected for the majority of East Antarctica. MCA cooling occurred in the Ross Ice Shelf region, and probably in the Weddell Sea and on Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf.”

You probably could have got a similar spatial mix of ups and downs over any period.

Gwan
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 21, 2019 4:40 pm

Nick ,For some one who works with graphs ans considers them selves science savvy the red spikes are hotter and the blue spikes going down are colder .
Nick you are being disingenuous and attacking the web sight and not the content
Enough said
Graham

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  David Middleton
July 21, 2019 5:27 pm

Nick’s worthless nitpick is that the “Whole Antarctica” graph is from Stenni et. al., 2017 and not original research presented in this paper.

“…You probably could have got a similar spatial mix of ups and downs over any period…”

Except they didn’t.

Hugs
Reply to  David Middleton
July 21, 2019 11:58 pm

Clearly a sign of climate distruption. /sarc

Thanks David!

Kevin McNeill
July 21, 2019 4:00 pm

I thought all of Antartica was north, am I mistaken?

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Kevin McNeill
July 21, 2019 4:23 pm

No, you are correct, except for the ice sheets, which are east and west.

Richard
Reply to  David Middleton
July 21, 2019 6:04 pm

Everything on earth is north of the South Pole! Not a single thing is either east or west of it. Or am I in the wrong dimension again? Damn!

Editor
Reply to  Richard
July 21, 2019 10:58 pm

The prime meridian divides the earth into the western and eastern hemispheres. “West Antarctica” is in the western hemisphere, hence the name.
https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/50423/what-determines-west-in-antarctica#50424

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Richard
July 22, 2019 4:27 am

Geographic South Pole verses the Magnetic South Pole, ….. that is the question.

Ernest Bush
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 22, 2019 7:50 am

The Magnetic South Pole has left the continent of Antartica and is also headed north.

Praedor
Reply to  Ernest Bush
July 22, 2019 7:54 am

And, natch, THAT is caused by humans too!

Chaamjamal
July 21, 2019 4:27 pm

In terms of agw the role of antarctica has been the fear of sea level rise by way of dramatic ice disintegration events. The case can be made that these events that have occurred in the current warm period can’t be explained as atmospheric phenomena. Therefore atmospheric temperature trends, even for a thousand years, may not be as relevant as it may appear to be in the context of catastrophic ice melt and sea level rise. Two links below.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/07/16/antarctica-slr/

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/06/27/antarctica/

WXcycles
Reply to  Chaamjamal
July 21, 2019 6:43 pm

Given the mass of the ice-sheet has increased (as reported above) then what’s with this misleading and unscientific language of, “… catastrophic ice melt and sea level rise. …”?

New and improved ‘truth’, contains 78% more BS!

Johanus
Reply to  David Middleton
July 22, 2019 2:32 pm

I tried that link and logged into to my ScienceDirect account. Said I had to purchase for $37.50 because I am not a “subscribed” user.

Sara
July 21, 2019 5:48 pm

If Al the Gorebull regrew that beard he wore a while back, he’d look less like a windup toy.

Okay, so it was warmer down south 10 centuries ago and the Earth didn’t explode or go into a circle of fire.

Is that warmer temps data possibly related to the reason for the Vikings getting frozen out of Greenland? Just askin’. My cat is wondering if all the cod went north because the South was too warm. (If that seems like a specious question, it isn’t. Wind patterns matter.)

John F. Hultquist
July 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Drake
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
July 21, 2019 8:44 pm

Always love seeing a bird blender burning down. I think of the avian lives saved.

I hope the generator’s owner will be required to reimburse the fire department(s) responding to the fire. The landowners should pay their fair share also if they were given rent of any sort for allowing the construction of those useless monstrosities.

Smart Rock
July 21, 2019 6:37 pm

I’m not convinced that blending all those proxies leads to a meaningful graph of temperatures for “whole Antarctica”. But if that synthesized plot has any real-world meaning, it shows that the MCA (formerly known as the MWP), which they identify as lasting from 1000 to 1200 AD, was just the tail-end of a 600-year (plus) warm period.

Not the MWP we know and love from the NH.

Dan J. Cody
July 21, 2019 7:48 pm

what do Eskimos get from sitting on the ice too long? Polaroids.

beng135
Reply to  Dan J. Cody
July 22, 2019 6:49 am

Ugh, unpleasant picturing that.

Loydo
July 21, 2019 9:59 pm

Antarctic temperature hasn’t changed much, that is not unexpected. For obvious reasons the Antarctic is expected to be far less sensitive to global over-heating than the Arctic. Apart from giving you an excuse to throw mud at Al Gore, what is inconvenient about it? Further, I don’t see any significnat Medieval warm period signal in the data. The Whole Antarctica plot shows zip.

PaulID
Reply to  Loydo
July 21, 2019 11:26 pm

Well of course you don’t see it you are ideologically blind and are therefore unable to see anthing that doesn’t fit your world view.

Loydo
Reply to  PaulID
July 22, 2019 2:19 am

Did you atually look at the plot I referred to?

Graemethecat
Reply to  Loydo
July 22, 2019 1:18 am

Why should we not laugh at Gore? He made a fatuous prediction about an ice-free Arctic and promoted the greatest scientific fr@ud of all time, while enriching himself enormously by peddling carbon credits.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Loydo
July 22, 2019 2:47 am

ah yes well the msm and funded scientists views expressed recently in Aus suggests climate emergency down sth and lots n lots!!! of money ships and people are needed to go study it..
this paper suggests otherwise
as a taxpayer and a skeptic Id prefer this paper got some media time
of course it wont
its “off meme”

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
July 22, 2019 6:44 am

I’m fascinated how Loydo goes from cooling, to not warming as much.
It’s almost as if he is once again desperate to change the subject.

Hubert
July 21, 2019 11:57 pm

With all these thousands and thousands studies we cannot verify , it’s impossible to say which are correct and which are wrong, so better wait and see. But at the end ,we must replace fossils by renewable sources to get energy in the future, the sooner the better. So stop arguing and start doing something !

Disputin
Reply to  Hubert
July 22, 2019 2:49 am

The future is a long time!
There is plenty of time before we run out of fossil fuels – at least several centuries, and panicking now before we have enough data is almost certain to result in going the wrong way.
This is a case of festina lente.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Hubert
July 22, 2019 2:50 am

if it cant BE verified then its NOT a decent study its just a claim and theres little reason to replace reliable fuel with expensive UNreliables in such a bums rush as were getting now.

Susan
July 22, 2019 1:00 am

One thing the graphs do show is the importance of comparing proxies from several areas since there is one (RICE) which is roughly opposite to the others. If that had been the only one used there would have been a very different conclusion – think bristle- cone pines!

July 22, 2019 3:18 am

Remember, thousand years ago that was weather not climate.

S.S. McDONALD
July 22, 2019 4:48 am

Name ANYONE who tracked weather at Antarctica 1,000 years ago. Name ANYONE who knew Antarctica exited 1,000 years ago. Speculation is STILL theory.

George Mihailides
Reply to  S.S. McDONALD
July 22, 2019 5:31 am

Proxies….you know, the same thing Michael Mann used.

MarkW
Reply to  S.S. McDONALD
July 22, 2019 6:46 am

Speculation is theory, and proxies are data.

jv jj
July 22, 2019 5:21 am

And in another thousand years it will be colder than it was today. Pretty simple, and no need whatsoever for any long-winded, boring speeches from Al-Buffoon!

George Mihailides
July 22, 2019 5:27 am

So the thing that strikes me about this is how it challenges Mann’s view that the Medieval Warm period was a local event rather than a global event

Loydo
Reply to  David Middleton
July 22, 2019 3:56 pm

If there was a Antarctic Medieval Warm “event” wouldn’t it show up in the Whole Antarctica graph?

Loydo
Reply to  David Middleton
July 22, 2019 10:21 pm

Actually it clearly doesn’t. There is a fairly steady, if somewhat noisy, decline in temperature from the start of the data until the very end where there is a slight up-tick. I am not saying there is no effect, there does seem to be a bit of see-sawing between different regions, but net warming as a Whole insignificant.

Some things make you go blind, stop it.

Ronald Staiger
July 22, 2019 5:41 am

It is also an inconvenient truth that the earth was 3 degrees Celsius warmer 12,000 years ago. Two distinctly different issues are being conflated to confuse people into believing that the only way to save the earth is to seize corporate monies through the Carbon Exchange. Those two issues? First, the ridiculously pedantic argument that our climate changes- as if it ever hasn’t. What they conveniently leave out is the fact that we currently are experiencing one of several warming periods within an Ice Age that began 2.5 million years ago. That Ice Age will not have ended until there is no longer ice at either pole. That’s right, that’s where we are headed- no ice at either pole. BUT, that will not happen within the lifetime of anyone living today or for thousands of years and it is silly to make climate observations during ones lifetime and attempt to extrapolate the results to predict the future. Second issue, the absolutely unfounded, unscientific and unproven argument that climate change is a function of anthropomorphic activity. How then do we explain the proven fact that 11,000 years ago, during an even warmer period, the earth was 3 degrees Celsius WARMER than today? Do we perhaps blame that on Cro-Magnon and Neanderthalian flatulence? This unscientific conflation of two completely separate issues has only one goal which has NOTHING to do with saving the world!

Praedor
Reply to  Ronald Staiger
July 22, 2019 8:02 am

Oh it is MUCH more ominous that simply stealing corporate money for carbon exchanges. Agenda 2030 plays into all this as do any and all forms of “green new deals”. The real agenda is POWER as well as money. Tax carbon and you can tax literally all of modern life. Via taxation and regulation you can control nearly every aspect of EVERYONE’S life. You gain control of what car they can buy or IF they can even own a car (the Irish PM is now seeking to ban cars in Ireland, rendering life in rural communities impossible, forcing them to all move to megacities ala Agenda 2030). You control access to food, especially meat. You control housing, home size, and location (again forcing people to move out of rural areas into easily controllable and monitorable big cities). You control use of any and all electronics because that creates carbon! It’s all about control, control, control and tracking your evey move, every purchase…all under the guise of controlling carbon emission.

walt
Reply to  Praedor
July 22, 2019 12:22 pm

All too true. The climate change plan is to justify extending government control. Every decision would be justified by saying it is for our own good. We are just being protected.

Loydo
Reply to  Ronald Staiger
July 22, 2019 10:22 pm

“the earth was 3 degrees Celsius warmer 12,000 years ago”

Citation?

Shanna Lee
Reply to  Ronald Staiger
July 23, 2019 10:20 am

Thank you! We all know that the Earth is a dynamic active planet. Why is is so hard to believe that change is normal. In fact, without change, we wouldn’t be able to grow and expand our comprehension of the natural world. As far as the panic about global warming, blame it on the media. True scientists always have an open mind, willing to explore options. The media gets stuck on an idea and likes to sensationalize to make more money.

Flatearther65
July 22, 2019 6:14 am

Antarctica is not a continent,but an ice ring ,and the Sun determines climate change,not man. 7 previous ice ages according to ‘science’ was man responsible? It is also silly to believe man can stop climate change, seems more like a way to control people with more taxes, regulation and loss of freedoms. Screw Al gore , his arctic ice shelves never did melt .

Flatearther65
July 22, 2019 6:15 am

Antarctica is not a continent,but an ice ring ,and the Sun determines climate change,not man. 7 previous ice ages according to ‘science’ was man responsible? It is also silly to believe man can stop climate change, seems more like a way to control people with more taxes, regulation and loss of freedoms.

Loydo
Reply to  David Middleton
July 22, 2019 5:03 pm

I don’t think “plate tectonics” has anything to do with this:comment image

Micha
July 22, 2019 6:39 am

Oh, Hockey Sticks.

Dwayne Keith
July 22, 2019 6:40 am

So sick of this issue and the harm it has done to the younger generations. The earth has been warming for tens of thousands of years since the end of the LAST Ice Age. Evidence abounds that the planet has been Water World and an Ice Cube many times over. The left has seized upon a natural phenomena to justify it’s capitalist killing agenda. Get the rest of the world up to western standards of emissions and environmental stewardship before focusing exclusively on us. I can’t get a straw in a restaurant even though our straws don’t end up in the ocean. It is Chinese dumping that is responsible. Take their straws away!

rupert boone
July 22, 2019 7:31 am

Demand Penguin reparations !!!

Chris Hoff
July 22, 2019 7:38 am

Another nail in the coffin for, only Greenland was warm 1000 years ago. That’s what I’ve heard university educated people insist, that everywhere surrounding the Greenland Vikings was freezing. They offer no mechanism for retaining the heat in Greenland while the rest of the N. Hemisphere was cold, they can’t accept their religious upbringing was wrong. Make no mistake, it is their religion, Christianity was abolished for them as a choice before they were born. It’s only people from older generations that remember going to church as children, with a few exceptions. I used to wonder what it was like for the older people living in Rome, living through the period before and after the fall, when all those Roman ruins we see went from being in regular use to complete abandonment. If your older like me, you can see it happening with local churches, or maybe if your an older person who was born in Detroit you’ve seen it with a whole city.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Chris Hoff
July 22, 2019 8:50 am

People of an older generation can also remember the last climate “emergency” in the 1970’s, how the Earth was going into a new Ice Age. That was a lie, just like CAGW.

Loydo
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 22, 2019 10:25 pm

There was no climate “emergency” in the 1970’s – that is a lie.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Loydo
July 23, 2019 2:17 am

You’re quite correct – there was no climate “emergency” in the 1970’s, just as there isn’t one today. There was, however, a big scare about global cooling. I was there and I remember it very well.

Unfortunately for you, there are hundreds of newspaper articles from that time on the impending global cooling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKTEIDH_qfU

Graemethecat
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 23, 2019 4:38 am

David Middleton: Thank you for rubbing Loydo’s nose in his lies.

There has been a determined and concerted effort to erase the Great Cooling Scare of the 1970’s from the Internet.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Loydo
July 23, 2019 5:15 am

Loydo, you are either trying to gaslight us, or you are fairly young, and do not remember the 1970’s. Ice age cometh, all the time.

Francisco Machado
July 22, 2019 8:54 am

The Climate Alarmists made the transition from an impending ice age which didn’t happen forty years ago to rising oceans and desertification of habitable areas which didn’t happen by their “end times” predictions either so they should have no problem going back to impending ice age if things keep cooling off. Like the Heaven’s Gate fanatics, if the world doesn’t end on the scheduled date, reset the date. They, of course, ultimately resolved the problem to everyone’s satisfaction and relief.

Jordan Erickson
July 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Imagine if, I dont know, there is an actual reason why the temperature raised a thousand years ago. Lets say, with a meteor that released CO2 into the atmosphere, or
perhaps a large volcano. You all are so quick to deny antheopogenic climate change just based on the fact that the earth has experienced fluctuations in temperature in the past, without actually asking whether there was a cause to these temperature fluctuations in the past.

It has been proven that a large meteor or a large volcano can cause these types of temperature fluctuations.

If you examine the relevant data, it shows there is a strong correlation between measurable CO2 and methane output with current temperature increase. This is the only relevant fact.

This isnt rocket science people.

Liber8
July 22, 2019 11:31 pm

Love the misinformation on this website. A quote from one of the authors of the paper :

I don’t want anyone to leave thinking that this is evidence that CO2 doesn’t affect climate,” Stott cautioned. “It does, but the important point is that CO2 is not the beginning and end of climate change.” […] “In addition, the authors’ model showed how changed ocean conditions may have been responsible for the release of CO2 from the ocean into the atmosphere, also accelerating the warming.”

“The outgassing of this significant greenhouse gas [CO2], then contributed to warming globally.”

“That warmed things up locally and shrank the sea ice back toward Antarctica, uncapping the Southern Ocean and freeing much of its carbon dioxide to begin warming the whole world.”

Ryan Bliss
July 23, 2019 12:20 pm

We’re experiencing a polar shift. It isn’t man destroying our planet, but rather our planet going through a gradual process. As scientists are aware, poles are rapidly moving. As this happens, the planet’s Ozone weakens. A weaker Ozone lets in more UV rays, which cause glacial melt, higher cancer rates, and etc.

Eventually our poles will settle, the Ozone will strengthen significantly, and our planet will cool down a lot (another possible ice age of the many Earth has already experienced).

The process takes hundreds to thousands of years, while the human attention span is lucky to last longer than a week. Which is why we keep freaking out about the end of the world…

Relax. Our planet will be fine. In the meantime, focus on surviving through the intense temperature fluctuations that we’ll be enduring.

itfarmer
July 23, 2019 2:55 pm

Eh… before we all get excited..

This report is due on 15 October 2019.

Why are we worrying about it already?

Tim
July 23, 2019 11:14 pm

Iam new to this fantastic site and as an uneducated, knuckle dragging prison guard I would like to say THANK you gents for the enlightenment and entertainment!

Tim CO
July 29, 2019 12:34 pm

It’s nice to have the last word !

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