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Climate change threatens nearly 40% of the world’s primates, study says
By Scottie Andrew and Saeed Ahmed, CNN
Updated 12:58 PM ET, Mon June 17, 2019(CNN) As cyclones and droughts are expected to grow in frequency and intensity while global temperatures rise, humankind’s closest relatives will become increasingly vulnerable to extinction, scientists say.
At climate change’s current pace, nearly 40% of the Earth’s primates will be threatened by the extreme weather events that accompany rising temperatures, a new study says. And with 60% of primate species already vulnerable to habitat loss and human activity, researchers are pleading that conservationists consider both human and climatic impacts in their efforts.
In the study, published in the journal Nature Climate Change …
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While “habitat loss and human activity” may very well imperil many primate species, they evolved and thrived through a helluva lot more climate change than humans will ever cause.
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Much of the ‘habitat loss’ is due to ‘green’ renewable schemes like the palm oil plantations that are destroying so much tropical rain forest. But like windfarms killing rare birds and bats – it is alright to destroy the environment if it is a green money making scheme.
AND THE TRUTH…SHALL SET YOU FREE!
If they’re worried about our planet’s non-human primates (not to mention raptors, bats, etc.), then they should end all of the ecologically destructive “green energy” schemes, since none of them are actually “green” and they won’t produce the energy needed anyway.
And it’ll be this 40%: “Birthstrikers: The Selfless Activist Effort to Cede the Future to Climate Skeptics”
Well, we can hope that stupidity, arrogance and hubris are either self-correcting, via birthrates, or we could actually force a dialogue that shows them how the only 97% that has any meaning in climate change, is that 97% of everything ever said about climate change was nothing more than propaganda, using every dirty trick in the propaganda playbook.
Bonobos (My choice) or Chimps? I am deliberately excluding humans because most seem to have forgotten where we are in the grand scheme of things.
That depends on whose version of the grand scheme of things you believe in.
Where humans fit in (African great apes) is less of an issue than tarsiers. Once considered prosimians, like lemurs and lorises, genetic analysis has shown them to be more closely related to us simians or anthropoids, ie “monkeys” and apes. For instance, tarsiers’ vitamin C-making gene is broken in the same way as is ours, while prosimians retain the ability produce the essential nutrient.
Tarsiers and simians are now both assigned to Suborder Haplorhini, and the prosimians to Strepsirrhini (the terms are based upon nose traits). Simians include catarrhines (Old World monkeys and apes), and the platyrrhines (New World monkeys). The English word “monkey” is thus paraphyletic, while “ape” is monophyletic, since it includes lesser and great apes but excludes Old World monkeys. It’s scientifically correct to say that apes evolved from catarrhines, not monkeys. Old World monkeys and apes share a more recent common ancestor than we do with New World monkeys.
The last common ancestor of all extant catarrhines would have looked more like a monkey than an ape, however, at least those monkeys with tails. Many OWMs share with us apes the trait of lacking a tail.
In some other languages, the words for both monkeys and apes are monophyletic. In Spanish, both monkeys and apes are monos (!). In German both monkeys and apes are Affen, however the ape superfamily Hominoidea, containing the lesser and great ape families, can be distinguished by the term Menschenaffen, ie Men-apes/monkeys. Or maybe that refers just to great apes, the Hominidae, but that would still be monophyletic, as long as it includes humans and our extinct ancestors.
Climate change porn … change the channel, please.
I may not be a scientist, but in the words of the SCOTUS Potter Stewart … I know Climate porn when I see it.
Nobody actually has any faith in evolution.
Not even from conception till death do us part. Well, not nobody, but certainly a large minority.
No faith required. Evolution is repeatedly observed, ie a scientific fact.
The share of Americans who recognize this fact depends upon how opinion poll questions are asked. Pew recently tried different survey questions. One approach produced 31% pro-creationist responses, versus 18% for the other.
https://www.pewforum.org/2019/02/06/the-evolution-of-pew-research-centers-survey-questions-about-the-origins-and-development-of-life-on-earth/
But in any case, far from nobody accepts the reality of evolution. It’s a majority.
On faith – the daughter of a colleague once said that she would have liked to study Marine Biology, but she couldn’t – because she’d have to believe in evolution!
If that were really her reason, it’s sad.
But she wouldn’t have had to believe in evolution, just understand how biologists have discovered it works. There actually is at least one Harvard-PhD paleontologist who is a creationist and “baraminology” theorist. IIRC, his thesis advisor was Gould.
When teaching at a traditionally Baptist college, I told creationist students that they could inject God into the history of life on earth at any or all points. They just had to learn what science has discovered. They don’t have to believe it.
However it’s a lot easier to reconcile the Bible with biology than with astronomy. Except for the cud-chewing rabbits, which actually eat their excrement, not a cud. And except for the orders of creation in the two contradictory creation myths in Genesis 1 and 2.
Funny to see how the alarmist message gets ever more shrill and twisted. they just can not let go of this one (CC), they see it as their last hope to force a socialist utopia on others. Of course they will not be subject to the ramifications of their own policies.
“they see it as their last hope to force a socialist distopia on others.”
There that’s more like it! 😉
Alan the B
I’m in Johor watching the endangered primates through the open patio door right now. They are Lazy Leaf Monkeys and Greys (no doubt from another planet). They are discussing whether or not to try to get into the house to grab the fruit off the counter. They evolved this skill (consultation) over a short time – presumably the comma in a punctuated equilibrium – in order to adapt to the rapidly changing climate of Southern Malaysia where the temperature has remained unchanged for eons, literally.
This capacity for rapid evolution, possibly to include the formation of committees, dooms these two species extinction, apparently, because within a few generations they will learn how to make steam from coal. We will be gone and they will be monkeying around with the atmosphere.
In the meantime I think they will settle for peanuts. I wonder if I can get them to co-sponsor some CDM project papers before we move to the Paris Accord Article 6.4 in 2020. Hopefully that one that looks like a lawyer isn’t too bright. The spectacles don’t fool me.
Now, just what in the world would convince any Bible believing Creationists to forsake the covenant that exists between their God and themselves, ……. and again take up the belief and worship in/of “false idols” that are directly associated with the pseudo-religion of CAGW climate change?
Those whom are easily fooled have a history of being easily fooled. Why should you expect any different this time?
Oh dear, some of my best friends are primates, as am I.
So long, been nice to know ya.
I have only met the previous Archbishop of York.
“Primates in the Anglican Communion are the most senior bishop or archbishop of one of the 39 churches of the Anglican Communion” [Per the inimitable, and illimitably editable, Wiki-thingy].
There are, apparently, 41 of them [per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primates_in_the_Anglican_Communion%5D.
So, it seems that some 16 or 17 will have less than 11.5 years to live.
Or am I getting confused with the Seer of the Bronx, Representative AOC?
Auto
It’s CNN.
I believe it.
/sarc
How did primates make it through the Holocene Climate Optimum, I wonder…
Obviously they didn’t.
What you are seeing now is an illusion cast by climate deniers to fool the faithful.
They did – and they did just fine.
But there were 40% less of them at that time, anyways.
/sarc
They all went extinct, just like the Polar Bears.
Hope it’s chimps. Those buggers like to rip peoples’ faces off!
Nonsense destroyed by one comprehensive chart.
But the trick is to get the true believers to review independent data.
A better chart would be to show no increase in the purported disasters.
Well climate change activism as indeed wiped out 40% of the human primate sanity.
So there’s that.
“As cyclones and droughts are expected to grow in frequency and intensity while global temperatures rise,…”
Who expects that since we’ve seen the exact opposite over the last 30 years of global temperature rise?
Clearly Godzilla went extinct because of Global Warming and Climate Change. He couldn’t take the heat.
The Alarmist messaging has jumped the sharknadoes.
I am trying to figure out how cyclones and droughts could grow in frequency and intensity as global temperatures rise. Historically cyclones and droughts grow in frequency as the temperature at the poles decreases.
well good…and too bad….something made a bad evolutionary choice and can’t take the weather changing
…and that’s the way evolution is supposed to work
😀
You mean the 40% who are CAGWarmist nutters? Who would miss them. Now that’s natural selection!!
The arrogance of these warmists truly amazes me: to think that they believe they can beat the many massive forces of nature which dictate the climate. Their Bible and its disciples, the IPCC, have even less credibility than the Flat Earth Society and their followers.
In addition the £billions already spent, and planned to be spent, on this crusade has clearly been ineffective: the dreaded “pollutant” of atmospheric CO2 unreasonably keeps rising! The conclusion is warmists must be masochists! The tragedy is that its our money that they are wasting and are spending from our funding of their perks and wages! They are so indoctrinated into this false religion that they deny any consideration of others’ lack of faith and contrary facts and evidence!
Put the problem in its true proportions! They say we must limit temperature rises by 2100 to 1.5 degrees C. Let’s consider what that means to the Earth System which acts and reacts in line with scientifically determined and confirmed processes, and not to any pleadings and theories of religious zealots, however penitent!
Such a temperature rise equates to roughly a 0.5% increase in temperatures when, scientifically, we use the Kelvin scale zero at -273 degrees C and do not cherry pick the artificial zero centigrade scale. That temperature rise equates to an average temperature rise per decade of roughly only 0.065% – far, far less than the error band widths on the warmists’ computer generated projected future average global temperature curve. The error band is so massively wide simply because of the very many adjustments that have to be made for the very many variables that need be taken into consideration which affect the accuracy and reliability of the weather stations’ recorded temperature around the world.
The 0.065% target rate of temperature rise per decade is far, far lower than the accuracy and reliability of the temperature data being used! How then do we adequately monitor the progress of any warmists’ policies, including spending of even more of our money, to see if we are on track to meet the set targets and to periodically making the right judgements and identify what revised or new measures are needed.
But I forget, they will just further adjust the computer inputs to provide the computer output answers their religion tells them are necessary.
CNN…is now Climate Nutters Nattering …
When they’re not hunting witches and dunking warlocks.
The 40% we don’t know, but assume to exist.
And everyone knows that habitat loss and human activity are both caused by CO₂ levels…
These alleged researchers likely assessed the trend of people promising to not have children because of “climate change”; extrapolated that trend out 100 years and concluding that mankind is going extinct.
Fluff and nutter mumblings from global warming religion zealots.
Hum …
And I foolishly thought that the supposition underpinning the cAGW idea was that the poles would warm more than the tropics.
Or are they only BSing about primates in the temperate and polar regions?
“As cyclones and droughts are expected…”
Bullshit.
to grow in frequency…”
Bullshit.
“and intensity…”
Bullshit.
“while global temperatures rise…”
Exactly the opposite of what any basic book on meteorology will tell you! I need not read another word of this nonsense.
, humankind’s closest relatives will become increasingly vulnerable to extinction, scientists say.
“Humankind’s closest relatives” are more intelligent than the so-called “scientists” who author this kind of blather.
My best primate story. Many years ago Carl Pribram came to speak – he was spectacular with sleek pale grey hair, a pale grey suit and a tie vertically split red and black, looking much more like a stage magician than a scientist. He showed a hologram to illustrate his theory of how the brain works. The talk was forgettable otherwise.
The next year neuroscience community heard that he put his finger in Washoe’s cage, and she bit it off (chimp that learned a bit of sign language). He sued for damage to his career as a neurosurgeon, but the notion of a neuroscientist sticking a finger in a chimp cage was hilarious to us.
https://oklahoman.com/article/1973653/doctors-suit-says-chimp-tore-finger
You folks have it all wrong. “Primate” is Brit-speak for Anglican cleric.
The headline is saying that climate change will obliterate 40% of the UK’s Anglican clerics.
Obliterate doesn’t mean die, don’t you know. It means to doff the cloth.
With the warming climate and all, 40% of British clerics are predicted to head for a life on the beaches. They all secretly yearn for that continually anyway, that nekkid in the sun business. Typical clerical fantasy. Now, with the proper heat, they’re off for it.
Not all Anglican clerics. Just the top dog-collar-wearers.
Primates in the Anglican Communion are the most senior bishop or archbishop(s) of one of the 39 churches of the Anglican Communion, such as the Archbishops of Canterbury and York in the Church of England, the only one with two. The Episcopal Church in the USA, like the others, has only one Presiding Bishop.
Darn, nothing like knowledgeable input. 🙂 Thanks, John.
And here I was hoping to witness a mass migration of British clerics to the tropics. 🙂
A lot of them went there when the Commonwealth was the Empire/Raj.
Since the mid-20th century, there has been a reverse flow.
Climate Change fraud already has the ‘Birthstriker’ primates self-eliminating their potential progeny from the gene pool.
On that basis, “It’s for reals!”
The prophecy of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is a clear and progressive risk, and planned parenthood is a known first-order forcing of Dodo Dynasties.
Maybe because all the left leaning primates went on a “Birthstrike” ! lol..
Here is a little climate-sham game one can play. Make a list of all academic life sciences specialties including agriculture, forestry, etc and select which ones haven’t yet made an effort to game the alarmosphere trough for research cash.
A few days ago here on WUWT we had microbiologists deciding that viruses and bacteria were on course for extinction if we didn’t fork over a grant ransom. The first tier of alarmist zoocash went for saving the cute cute mammals, then amphibians, then shellfish and fish. As néomarxiste desperation mounted, they threw in beautiful monarch butterflies, then a few million ugly insects and finally the microbes. Yes, even the spermatoza worriers have ejacted their sujet into the ring.
So, what have we left? Mushrooms, nematodes, algae, plantars warts, amoeba, poison ivy, jellyfish, weeds, … Perhaps advocacy for these can be viewed as a final countdown to the end of the pandemic of mass idiotry.
Nematodes can survive abd thrive even under the heat and pressure of the deepest mines. Some like it hot.
What’s bad for primates is cold. There was a lot more primate habitat–including Wyoming–in the hothouse Paleocene and Eocene than since.
https://www.wired.com/2010/09/tracking-notharctus-wyomings-prehistoric-lemur/
The largest known primate, Gigantopithecus blacki, an enormous orangutan-relative from SE Asia, went extinct about 100,000 years ago. The genus* had survived many ice ages during its nine million year-long run, but the onset of the last glaciation coincided with spread of Homo erectus into its jungle habitat, as the bamboo forests were giving way to grassland in the colder, drier world.
Estimates of its size vary, since it’s known only from teeth and jaw bones. Giant porcupines may have chewed bones from other parts of its skeleton as a calcium source, but fossil preservation is low in woodland environments anyway. G. blacki was a veritable King Kong, possibly standing 11.5 feet tall and weighing over half a ton.
*Its oldest relative, G. giganteus (previously bilaspurensis) from Late Miocene northern India and China, was placed in a separate genus, Indopithecus, in 2013.
When they use a cLIEmate “Emergency” as an excuse to replace the population of Ireland it kinda puts the prediction into context…
Canada’s own Clueless cLIEmate Barbie just declared the same cLIEmate “Emergency”. I would like to see the talking points script they get from their globalist puppet masters.
David Middleton June 17, 2019 at 6:48 am
Splicing instrumental data onto ice core data is 100% fraudulent.
Certainty is a delusion. Thats the trouble with being 100% certain about anything isnt it? Is it bias confirmation? A genuine mistake? Or are you just full of your own deluded certainty?
It’s fraudulent, pure and simple. In the private sector, comparable malfeasance gets you fired, probably sued, and possibly prosecuted. In government, it gets you promoted. In academia, it gets you tenure.
It’s the equivalent of splicing a well log into a seismic profile and calling it an anomaly.
Bs. You’re just petrified of the implications so you’re trying to discredit the blindingly irrefutable evidence. You’ve done your own splicin’ above: SST temperatures onto ice core data. Double standards or just full of certainty?
Plenty of simians are now toast. This “100% fraudulence” https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/ clearly demonstrates humans are having a profound and geologically rapid effect on atmosheric and oceanic chemistry and thus likely on the biology too. AGW is overlying the other thousand changes humans have made to the biosphere in the last 50 years. Meh, you say? You know lots of geology and oil mining but apparently, but no matter the mountain of colorful graphs and 70s Ice agery, you know diddly squat biology.
Stupid simian.
Displaying different data sets, properly annotated, on the same graph is not splicing instrumental data onto proxy data to generate a fraudulent anomaly.
The only thing that can be concluded with reasonable certainty is that the current CO2 level is the highest of the past 2,000 years.
“properly annotated”?
That’s all it takes to redeem a graph from 100% fraudulence? But the graph I linked to had the exact same level of annotation as the graph you posted above. Reflexive bias much?
Out of your depth and blinded by deluded certainty.
You linked to a page, not an image. This image from that page is 100% fraudulent…
The “Keeling Curve” starts in 1959. It’s not annotated; but it’s obviously either the Vostok ice core or a composite of Antarctic ice cores. Only one Antarctic ice core, so far, could reslove the Keeling Curve. That’s the DE08 core from Law Dome. It can resolve shifts with durations as short as ~10 years; but it only goes back about 2,000 years.
The Vostok core and other long record length cores have resolutions measured in 100’s of years. The Keeling Curve would be expressed as a single data point at about 315 ppm on the Vostok core. It would be an average of the last 500 years.
Loydon, “diddly squat biology”:
Loydon, you like to mingle “human responsibility with “catastrophic anthropogenic climate change” :
“Poaching is the illegal hunting, killing or capturing of animals contrary to national and international conservation and wildlife management laws and regulations. … Wildlife species that may be legally hunted are defined and regulated through special open seasons.”
https://www.google.com/search?q=poachers+primates+extinction+meaning&oq=poachers+primates+extinction+meaning+&aqs=chrome.
You’re the king of distracting puppet theatrics fake news.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&ei=8TMOXaTcC4TPrgTYiaeoCw&q=Puppet+theater+meaning&oq=Puppet+theater+meaning&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&ei=mTQOXZXgN7yHwPAPgYqjqAw&q=Puppets+Theatrics+meaning&oq=Puppets+Theatrics+meaning&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.
The previous interglacial period, the Eemian, was warmer than this one with more ice cap melting and higher sea levels yet the ancestors of today’s primates survived. The problems that today’s primates have has nothing to do with climate change. The problem is loss of habitat caused by mankind’s out of control population.
Human population growth rate is falling, and liable to continue so doing. In some countries, it’s still too high, but demographic transition such has ended expansion in the developed world will eventually contol gains in the developing world, too.
This is not to say that human activities don’t threaten many of our fellow primate species. They do. But wealth creation, aided by fossil fuels, will help save the endangered species, while also ultimately limiting the number of people.
My prof, prophet of doom Paul Ehrlich, made the mistake of extrapolating rapid population growth of the 1960s out indefinitely. No wonder then that he now extrapolates the natural warming cycle of the late 1970s to 2000s out indefinitely.
The fact that trends reverse is how fortunes are lost and made in markets.
The people who say/do these things are primates, aren’t they?
Won’t they be the first to go while the rest of us watch?
Pick your spot, folks. They’re going away.
On a sordid note – because of the mass suicides that happened in the 20th century – I have this deep-down gut feeling that this alleged “extinction event” is going to one that is self-imposed. I dislike voicing such an idea, but it has happened before on a small scale.
Droughts might affect primates, but “cyclones”? Most primates live either in Africa and South America which are almost never affected by hurricanes, and neither is Indonesia (too close to the Equator).
About the only places where primates might be affected by hurricanes is parts of Central America, Madagascar (lemurs only), parts of India, Indochina and southern China.
The primates most affected by cyclones are humans, which species is hardly endangered.
Philippine tarsiers have survived much stormier epochs than the Holocene.
Seriously we have to accept that the primates living in the wild are at great
risk of extinction from the fact that their relatives the human primate is
taking over their habitat.
Plus the fact that so called “Bush meat” is popular, i.e. he wild primates.
The only long term hope is to select breeding pairs and move them to
big open air Zoos such as we have here in South Australia, a sort of
present day Jurassic Park.
MJE VK5ELL
Michael – and it’s a an African status symbol too:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/08/14/431965684/laws-to-prohibit-bush-meat-are-actually-a-boon-for-the-bush-meat-biz
Irresponsible fake news. Let the blame lie where it belongs: with the poachers. Don’t give them an excuse that the apes were going to die in a cyclone anyway.
I think endangered primates have more immediate concerns than climate change.
Clearing for agriculture, logging and hunting for meat and the exotic pet trade seem to their chief problems, particularly for those that are specialists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_25_Most_Endangered_Primates
A few parades by school chilkdren to raise awareness about the tyhreat to these beasties might be more useful than self righteous virtue signalling about a few carbon dioxides.
And, even if true, The Green New Deal will cripple Man’s ability to do anything about it.
(Well, then again, if we paid them all a “Living Wage” of $15 an hour……..)
Great graphics, great compilation – Thanks!