Hilarious! @weatherchannel reporter fakes intensity of #HurricaneFlorence wind – gets caught

You can’t make this stuff up. The Weather Channel typically sends a reporter to hurricane landfalls to file live reports. Hurricane Florence is no exception. However, in this case although it appears in the video the reporter can barely stand up in the wind, but when the camera zooms out, his fakery is revealed.

h/t to Ronnie Rogers via Facebook

Update: Attemptng to save face, TWC made a statement to BuzzFeed about the fiasco:

“It’s important to note that the two individuals in the background are walking on concrete, and Mike Seidel is trying to maintain his footing on wet grass, after reporting on-air until 1:00 a.m. ET this morning and is undoubtedly exhausted,” the network said.

Update2:

Here is a better video.

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BigGG
September 14, 2018 1:50 pm

Oops.

Hot under the collar
Reply to  BigGG
September 14, 2018 2:10 pm

97% of climate scientists would also have been blown over by that wind.

ATheoK
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 14, 2018 3:21 pm

The consensus 97% are causing that wind.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 14, 2018 5:01 pm

Maybe Al Gore was bloviating right next to him.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 14, 2018 8:29 pm

97% of news reporters are actors.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
September 15, 2018 9:27 am

or actresses.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
September 19, 2018 10:07 pm

Not allowed to say actresses, or waitresses, or any esses. Everyone is an actor now.

Ernest Williams
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
September 15, 2018 9:45 am

Bill Nye comes to mind.

D. Smith
Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 16, 2018 10:36 am

How dumb does the WC have to be to put their reporters out there in danger (if it were real) in the first place? I hope they have great insurance coverage for their employees. I have always laughed at the fact that the “reporters” are warning people to stay inside, seek shelter – – whatever – – and yet they’re out there on some beach with the wind practically knocking them over. Complete stupidity. Yeah, in this case it looks like a pretty made-up job.

Menicholas
Reply to  BigGG
September 14, 2018 5:12 pm

Note he is saying “This is about as nasty as it has been”.
Perhaps the most important detail.

Harkin
Reply to  Menicholas
September 14, 2018 8:33 pm

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the wind near the reporter had been ‘adjusted’?

drednicolson
Reply to  Harkin
September 17, 2018 6:09 pm

Was there one of those giant shop fans ten paces left of the camera?

Sara
Reply to  BigGG
September 14, 2018 7:53 pm

I guess the Weather Channel hasn’t heard that it’s no takesies-backsies on stuff like this.

No, and I”m sitting here laughing, wondering what they will try next.

iggie
Reply to  Sara
September 14, 2018 9:20 pm

If you watch the video right through, one of the boys is seen walking on the grass on the other side of the road. He seemed to do OK.

Rich Davis
Reply to  iggie
September 15, 2018 7:11 am

My wife points out how unreasonable you’re being. Those young whippersnappers didn’t stay up all night broadcasting propaganda. They may be just going home from the all-night party.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Sara
September 19, 2018 10:08 pm

“takesies-backsies”

You forgot to say “my Precious!”

Jim G.
Reply to  BigGG
September 14, 2018 10:16 pm

Don’t be so hard on him.

1. It is always important to stretch before running.
2. He was not able to use the restroom for several hours.
3. It’s 3:00. (Movie reference)

R. Meigs
Reply to  BigGG
September 15, 2018 3:28 am

The reporter was not leaning into the wind, but away from it. Some struggle!

RexAlan
Reply to  R. Meigs
September 16, 2018 4:14 am

I agree, the best way to get blown over bye wind is to lean away from it.

Ackifr
Reply to  BigGG
September 15, 2018 7:52 am

Weather Channel explanation sounds like it’s right out of Trumps playbook.

[???? .mod]

Ernest Williams
Reply to  BigGG
September 15, 2018 9:59 am

I will say this about the media, if they have to create a bit of fiction to force many people to say “gee, it really is bad out there, maybe we should evacuate”, then more power to them (The media). What I will always call the media and the AGW alarmist is that these types of events are within statistical norms and so are our temperatures. The earth seems to be moving into a rapid cool down and the ice sheets at both poles bare this out, yet I hear no news on it because all the environmental wacos are will harping about global warming.

taz1999
Reply to  BigGG
September 15, 2018 10:22 am

I gave up on TWC a long time ago. However, before I gave it up they had way more sane hurricane coverage than our local news. I guess those days are gone…

A while back a hurricane headed for us button hooked away overnight. I paraphrase but the reporter was standing next to a storm grate telling us that if it had rained there could be serious flooding here. I guess if they’ve got you out live you’ve got to say something.

Clay SAnborn
September 14, 2018 1:51 pm

If it bleeds, it leads.

Ken Mitchell
Reply to  Clay SAnborn
September 14, 2018 2:33 pm

In this case, the “blood” is as fake as the news.

Not Chicken Little
September 14, 2018 1:52 pm

This is like the female reporter shown paddling in a canoe during a flood, and then in the background two people walked by, the water barely up to their ankles.

Our media is dishonest as a rule. They can also be malicious and malignant – this time it was just clownish.

Rhee
Reply to  Not Chicken Little
September 14, 2018 2:27 pm

That was on NBC during either Katrina or Rita, it was the funniest exposure of the hollywoodness of news.

Rhee
Reply to  Rhee
September 14, 2018 3:09 pm

oops, my mistake – I thought it was during a hurricane, but that reporter was just reporting on some flooding due to several days of rain in New Jersey.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rhee
September 14, 2018 5:02 pm

“oops, my mistake – I thought it was during a hurricane”

Pretty sure Katrina and Rita were hurricanes.

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  Not Chicken Little
September 14, 2018 2:48 pm

The very essence of ‘fake news’. And you wonder why President Trump has dined out on that phrase. It resonates at some level with everyone, not just those ‘deplorables’ who happen to live in ‘the rust belt’ but anyone with half a brain or more even Democrat voters.

The endless fakery by the a/v news media whether at the level of the buffoon in question or just the overacting bobble head we see at every ‘deadly’ or ‘catastrophic’ event around the world just eats away at their credibility.

Shanghai Dan
Reply to  Not Chicken Little
September 14, 2018 6:10 pm

Or this one:

Urederra
Reply to  Shanghai Dan
September 15, 2018 8:49 am

I love the first comment on youtube:

It´s Jesus!!!

simple-touriste
Reply to  Not Chicken Little
September 14, 2018 6:37 pm

Europe mainstream media tried to convince us that the mostly illiterate “migrants” from war zones such as Syria (more precisely central Africa or anywhere in Africa) were avid readers of Victor Hugo – well some of them (“y en a”) and the “middle class”.

Now it’s a running joke in France that migrants who are fighting are arguing about Victor Hugo and that they are all engineers.

Allencic
September 14, 2018 1:52 pm

Global warming winds are very localized.

toorightmate
Reply to  Allencic
September 14, 2018 4:30 pm

That is correct.
It always blows a gale on that side of the street, even when the other side of the street is becalmed.

Menicholas
Reply to  toorightmate
September 14, 2018 10:03 pm

That is the high CO2 side.

commieBob
September 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Is there an award for bad acting and bad special effects? Of course there is, The Golden Raspberry Awards. I nominate this news clip. Also, it should get special mention for the camera work that made the other two awards obvious.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  commieBob
September 14, 2018 2:01 pm

This comes from faking and lying having become acceptable. Remember its the feelings and why you do this that counts.

commieBob
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 2:11 pm

The end justifies the means. Robespierre had a wonderful idealistic vision. The result was the Reign of Terror. Robespierre was much like the social justice warriors who obviously have learned nothing from history.

rocketscientist
Reply to  commieBob
September 14, 2018 5:38 pm

It didn’t turn out so well for poor old Maximilian though did it?

Chris
Reply to  commieBob
September 14, 2018 4:42 pm
jorgekafkazar
Reply to  commieBob
September 14, 2018 10:16 pm

Last guy I saw dancing around like that had a full bladder and was trying to keep from peeing his pants.

Michael F
September 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Love it. It says everything anyone needs to know about the extremist catastrophists on the planet.

Taphonomic
September 14, 2018 1:54 pm

Right up there with the newswoman canoeing in stormwater with people walking in the foreground.

Bryan A
Reply to  Taphonomic
September 14, 2018 2:11 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SC37kMlkI
This one followed it.
AT 2 min to 2:10 A man saunters in and throws a coin into his bucket then saunters out (With apparently unnecessary crutches)

RiHo08
Reply to  Taphonomic
September 14, 2018 2:34 pm

Watching the U-Tube video, reporter in canoe was asked if her paddle was hitting the bottom. She said no and then paddle hit bottom 3 inches into the water. The men walking in front of the canoe were also less than ankle deep, or, about 3 inches of water.

PSU-EMS-Alum
Reply to  RiHo08
September 14, 2018 3:18 pm

“She said no and then paddle hit bottom 3 inches into the water.”

In all fairness, the tone of her response (“Of course not. It’s as smooth as silk.”) was obviously sarcastic.

steve case
Reply to  Taphonomic
September 14, 2018 6:14 pm

Hilarious!

One of the reasons I frequent WattsUpWithThat is people like Taphonomic, that bring stuff like this up.

BCBill
Reply to  Taphonomic
September 15, 2018 9:20 am

They are all laughing but I suppose if they got away with it, it would have been dramatic journalism.

Brian R Adams
Reply to  Taphonomic
September 15, 2018 3:46 pm

You don’t expect her to get her feet wet do you? Those Gucci shoes are expensive.

Ian Magness
September 14, 2018 1:54 pm

Fantastic!
Best laugh I’ve had all week!

joe - the non climate scientist
September 14, 2018 1:58 pm

On a separate note –
Warmer SST are supposed to make hurricanes more intense.

Early this week, it was reported that the SST of the atlantic waters off the NC and Virginia coasts was abnormally high while the waters to the south were normal.

Interesting that hurricane florence fizzled from a CAT 4/5 hurricane to barely a CAT 1 when it hit the warmer waters.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  joe - the non climate scientist
September 14, 2018 2:17 pm

I dont buy that it was a Cat 4. Remember they changed the way of measuring wind speeds for classification for Hurricane Harvey from near the slower base of the hurricane where all the damage is done, to aircraft measurement which is from the top. They are supposed to calculate the speed from the aircraft measurement, not use it directly.

We are often branded conspiracy theorists but what does one do when inundated in biggest, perhaps the very first, global conspiracy. They are more constrained with their lies at landfall because there are sensors at the correct height maintained in all hurricane prone areas. Thats why they have to do these clown acts for the camera instead of simply reporting the “data”.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 2:29 pm

Here we had a supposed Cat 4/5 hurricane, speeding up into warmer waters and it hits the coast as a Cat1? Some 36 hours ago, the imagery showed an unraveling of the usually tightly compressed spiral arms that make up the central cylinder of the cane and the eye pressure was only ~10mb below standard 1000mb normal surface air pressure. This wasnt much above a tropical depression. I hope Joe Bastardi weighs in. Were there any deaths? What damage was done.

joe- the non climate scientist
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 2:52 pm

my only point was the theory is hurricanes will be more intense due to the increase in SST (at least that is what the models show). Yet, the hurricane fizzled when it entered the warmer waters.

Granted, there are a vast array of other factors that affect hurricanes, just noting that one of the warmists pet theories didnt hold true based on the empirical evidence.

menicholas
Reply to  joe- the non climate scientist
September 14, 2018 6:08 pm

Water temp is little more than a precondition.
Wind shear and dry air are death to hurricanes no matter the water temp.
Measuring water temp will not predict number or location or intensity or much of anything.
This is why tropical systems, while rare, have formed even in January in water that is under the supposed cut-off temp.

john harmsworth
Reply to  joe- the non climate scientist
September 15, 2018 9:46 am

You may come to notice over time that NO (zero) Warmist theories hold true.

ripshin
Editor
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 3:33 pm

Gary,

Joe’s been reporting on this all week, i fact, had highlighted it back on 9/2 I think. Even he was predicting a Cat4 to Cat2/1 decrease by the time it hit landfall. Btw, he has publookicly available daily vids on weatherbell.com.

rip

joe the non climate scientist
Reply to  ripshin
September 14, 2018 4:57 pm

Rip – My comment at 1.58 pm today was my first comment anywhere regarding florence or any other hurricane this season.

What does your allegation have to do with the point I made – specifically with reference to empirical evidence that doesnt support the theory of warmer SST causing more intense hurricanes

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 6:09 pm

I do not believe that the temperature was significantly warmer to the west. Someone had posted it.

Aaron
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 11:44 pm

Not just that. It used to be hurricanes weren’t declared cat 4 until 135 MPH. In 2012 they changed that to 130 MPH. Harvey was NOT a cat 4, nor was Irma at U.S. landfall. Both storms were at 130 MPH. Rich Johnson pointed out on twitter that there was no observable cat 4 structural damage in Texas, nor have I seen observable wind observations consistent with that in either Texas or Florida.

HD Hoese
Reply to  Aaron
September 15, 2018 8:54 am

While I understand your point I have looked over most of the Harvey landfall area. I have also seen much of the damaged area of Camille, Rita, a little of Katrina and Ike, and several others. A NWS report, link around somewhere, concluded that the highest winds, on the Lamar and Blackjack Peninsulas were not measured. Two portable units were flattened.

Hurricanes are all different and maybe idiosyncratic. A lot of the damage was preventable and predictable, expected by old timers for decades, but it was quite a storm, well near the top.

flow in
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 15, 2018 2:33 am

there were 4 deaths, (a cinderblock building collapsed) and one of them was from someone plugging a generator in.
Not sure what the normal death rate is, but 4 seems quite low for a region that big.

[Two others were lost when a tree fell on their car. .mod]

Rich Davis
Reply to  flow in
September 15, 2018 4:16 pm

Sad to see anybody die, but on the other hand, if you die from the effects of a hurricane when you were told to evacuate and chose not to do so, whose fault is that?

I know, I know, it’s Trump’s fault. But besides the obvious, whose fault is it?

Susan
Reply to  flow in
September 16, 2018 6:31 am

Two from carbon monoxide poisoning being reported.

Tweak
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 10:00 pm

Yeah, I did a slant range calculation on the doppler radar indicated speeds just before landfall and found the 109kt region was 500 to 1000 ft alt. Reducing the speed to 10 meters per NHCs documents, it worked out to around 80 to 85 kts.

hunter
Reply to  Tweak
September 15, 2018 2:23 am

So the obsessive fear mongering was based on a deception.
Not surprised at all.

littlepeaks
Reply to  joe - the non climate scientist
September 14, 2018 4:26 pm

It was reported that Hurricane Florence weakened when it ingested some drier air.

beng135
Reply to  littlepeaks
September 15, 2018 9:07 am

It sucked up a beer-ship & wobbled and stumbled.

DocSiders
Reply to  joe - the non climate scientist
September 15, 2018 5:05 am

We were told all week that there has never been a storm this powerful at this lattitude before.

I’d be willing to bet that there have been many thousands and probably millions of stronger storms at this lattitude. The earth didn’t just show up 100 years ago.

Eric McCoo
September 14, 2018 2:00 pm

A journalist is just a whore who lost her self respect.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Eric McCoo
September 14, 2018 2:12 pm

That sounds kinda sexist, wanna try again ?

Adam Gallon
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 2:14 pm

Nope, sounds about right to me.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Adam Gallon
September 14, 2018 2:25 pm

Maybe replace “her” with “their” ??

Eric McCoo
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 2:29 pm

I would have done that (their) if I’d thought of it. Thanks. Next time.

menicholas
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 6:10 pm

What happened to the edit function?

ShanghaiDan
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 6:14 pm

Too sexist. Make it “zheir” and we can be inclusive…. 🙂

Annie
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 15, 2018 1:05 am

One journalist isn’t plural. Their is plural.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 15, 2018 9:00 am

Journalists are just whores who’ve lost their self respect.

Eric McCoo
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 2:27 pm

I decided not to add more words to a very short post, especially as the word’whore’ is usually associated with women anyway.

I was very PC in 1975 but admit that modern, American identity politics makes me want to throw up. SNL is not funny.

John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAK0KXEpF8U

Doesn’t matter
Reply to  Eric McCoo
September 14, 2018 4:33 pm

Can I ask what your issue is with being respectful toward people is? Considering your that’s what your “identity politics” is stripped of oppositional buzzwording.

menicholas
Reply to  Doesn’t matter
September 14, 2018 6:12 pm

People who have not earned respect ought get none.

menicholas
Reply to  Doesn’t matter
September 14, 2018 6:14 pm

Can I ask you what your issue with free speech is, considering that without it, we might as well fold the whole civilization tent up and go back to the stone age.
I am fine in the jungle where might makes right.

tweak
Reply to  Doesn’t matter
September 14, 2018 10:03 pm

Don’t forget guile.

hunter
Reply to  Doesn’t matter
September 15, 2018 2:15 am

You are so far off with the claim that PC is about respect.
You are not even wrong, merely irrelevant.

beng135
Reply to  Doesn’t matter
September 15, 2018 9:20 am

Bunch of snowflakes triggered in this post. They’re melting, meeellltttiinngg.

Pass the popcorn.

JohnB
Reply to  Doesn’t matter
September 16, 2018 8:24 pm

@ Doesn’t matter Why should he have to justify his opinion to you? Can’t you just respect him as a human being with his own thoughts and feelings? Why can’t you just show some respect for his feelings?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 2:33 pm

You never heard of whores of other genders? He’ll the only thing sexist these days is if you suggested any of the other dozen genders COULDN’T get a job in this wonderful profession.

hunter
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 15, 2018 2:13 am

PC bullschitt is at least part of the problem.

Brian R Adams
Reply to  Eric McCoo
September 15, 2018 7:02 pm

Eric McCoo, you caved and genuflected too easily to that “sexist” card waved at you Try to grow a pair, pal. What you said was not sexist, except in the ear of the beholder, which says all about them, nothing about you. Use it.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Brian R Adams
September 16, 2018 11:47 am

Use it for what ??

Reply to  Eric McCoo
September 16, 2018 4:13 pm

OR a journalist is just a spineless cowardly corporation lackey who protects his sinecure instead of telling the truth.

Tom Halla
September 14, 2018 2:00 pm

I think The Weather Channel sorta forgot to check the backround?

Lank
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 14, 2018 2:22 pm

There was less CO2 in that part of the picture.

Mike Bryant
September 14, 2018 2:05 pm

The reporter is obviously doing his part to save the Earth.

littlepeaks
Reply to  Mike Bryant
September 14, 2018 4:27 pm

Wow. That blows me away.

joe- the non climate scientist
September 14, 2018 2:08 pm

On a separate note –
Warmer SST are supposed to make hurricanes more intense.

Early this week, it was reported that the SST of the atlantic waters off the NC and Virginia coasts was abnormally high while the waters to the south were normal.

Interesting that hurricane florence fizzled from a CAT 4/5 hurricane to barely a CAT 1 when it hit the warmer waters.

ralfellis
Reply to  joe- the non climate scientist
September 15, 2018 4:31 am

As I understand it, there was no depth to that warmth, so there was a low cyclone energy potential.

As a hurricane passes it churns up the sea to a considerable depth, so if the ocean warmth is shallow, it will cool very quickly due mixing. It might be nice to see a SST map following the hurricane, which should show a cool trail.

R

Menicholas
Reply to  ralfellis
September 15, 2018 12:55 pm

I posted about this very subject (SST and the trails of churned and cooled water left) on my FB page a few days prior to the storm intensifying.

Donald Kasper
September 14, 2018 2:14 pm

Global warming causes fake news.

HotScot
September 14, 2018 2:15 pm

The BBC is presenting it as a “catastrophe”!

10 O Clock News dissecting it with selected clips of houses flooded. They panned across beach front properties first, with barely a wave reaching them, then straight into a flooded basement from goodness knows where.

Mr GrimNasty
Reply to  HotScot
September 14, 2018 2:28 pm

The clip of the ‘storm surge’ flooding the BBC keeps showing has vehicles in the background and you can see ALL of their tyres.

It’s a bit like when it’s a bit cold in winter, they send a reporter up a mountain pass to stand in front of the last patch of snow looking as miserable as possible and give the obligatory ‘and temperature are still dropping and more snow is forecast’ line. Meanwhile 90% of the country hasn’t had a snowflake.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  HotScot
September 14, 2018 2:38 pm

Up until just a few hours ago the headlines were screaming about the “Monster” hurricane, even after it was declared to be a Cat 1.

simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Some photos of the LV shooting look a lot like that. The photos bother me. (That and the rest.)

Bruce of Newcastle
September 14, 2018 2:26 pm

Our old friend Dr Hothouse is at it again too.

Meteorologist Eric Holthaus on Hurricane Florence: Trump ‘Actively Making the Problem Worse’

I wonder if at last he’s stopped taking plane flights and had his vasectomy for the planet yet?

toorightmate
Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
September 14, 2018 8:53 pm

If Donald Trump was responsible for generating this hurricane then he needs to stick with his day job!

Sandyb
September 14, 2018 2:29 pm

Why didn’t Florence intensify? Seriously.

Ken Mitchell
Reply to  Sandyb
September 14, 2018 2:38 pm

Because President Trump changed it. We all know that he can control the weather, right? Here’s proof.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Sandyb
September 14, 2018 2:43 pm

The better question is, why did so many so-called experts, predict it would? Ocean surface temperature is only one factor in determining the strength of a hurricane, and even then, the temperature difference from out in the middle of the ocean to near the shore was not that great. They made it seem like it was a huge difference by showing it in lurid red hues, which made it seem like a no-brainer. In reality, it was the experts that weren’t using their brains.

Gordon Dressler
Reply to  Paul Penrose
September 15, 2018 3:50 pm

The so-called experts with help of today’s best supercomputers and near-real time data inputs cannot accurately predict the intensity and path of one hurricane 48 hours into the future, yet the—ahem—consensus of this category of “scientific” professionals is that their modeling can accurately predict Earth average global temperature, whatever that means, 100 years in the future to +/- 0.1 C precision.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Sandyb
September 14, 2018 2:43 pm

Because it never was a Cat 4 to start with. They have wind sensors on land in these places so it’s harder to lie – except to add 5knots to maintain Hurricane category, but out to sea its a free-for-all…They talked about 80ft waves 2 days ago but admitted satellites are confounded by the heavy rains and that they were probably 40 ft waves, neither of which seems to have come ashore. You can count on every opportunity to lie veibg taken.

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  Sandyb
September 14, 2018 2:47 pm

Wind shear was suggested by the BBC weatherman as he and the newsreader sucked back tears watching the speeded up satellite video of the collapsing eye.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/keynotes/keynotes_0715_windshear.html

Reply to  Sandyb
September 14, 2018 2:49 pm

it started ingesting dry air & that started cooling the core of the storm & caused it to start weakening. You can see the effect when the core clouds start to break up & thin out. That is dry air evaporating the clouds. Tropical cyclones don’t like that.

menicholas
Reply to  JKrob
September 14, 2018 6:20 pm

And now we know why cat 4 or 5 storms at this latitude are so rare.
Well, some of us never forgot.
Or forgot between last year and this year how quickly these things can fizzle, or ow there is no way to have any certainty beyond 24 to 28 hours.
Three days out, any forecasts are barely wild ass guesses.
And the first time, every time, they stop mentioning this, grab your bullshitometer.

Ian W
Reply to  JKrob
September 15, 2018 2:02 am

Not only that the amount of energy required to support a Cat 4 storm is enormous and the shallow water however warm it was could not supply that level of energy. So as soon as the storm got to the continental shelf its energy supply started to reduce quite markedly. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

Has anyone ever done a study of the subsurface currents caused by a hurricane? I would imagine an advection/convection circulation effect in the water as the water cooled by evaporation and falling rain sinks to be replaced by the warmer deeper water. If the depth of this subsurface effect was known then it could be possible to forecast the impact of shallower water on hurricanes.

Ozonebust
Reply to  Sandyb
September 14, 2018 9:00 pm

Sandyb
Because there were three other cyclones active in the same basin, almost upstream that sure the total airflow available to Florence. Plus a larger cat 5 hurricane east of the Philippines at the same time, all responding to the same troposphere pressure rise. Cyclone activity drops troposphere pressure.

Look at the Arctic sea ice area over the same period. When Florence wained sea ice area stopped declining as fast as less atmosphere was displaced into the Arctic.

Rapid intensification is caused by restrictions to seasonally displaced atmosphere and tropical evaporation. That’s the short answer.
Regards

ralfellis
Reply to  Sandyb
September 15, 2018 4:33 am

As I understand it, there was no depth to that ocean warmth, so there was a low cyclone energy potential.

As a hurricane passes it churns up the sea to a considerable depth, so if the ocean warmth is shallow, it will cool very quickly due mixing. It might be nice to see a SST map following the hurricane, which should show a cool trail.

R

ralfellis
Reply to  Sandyb
September 15, 2018 4:38 am

And the further north the storm went, the greater the Coriolis force. That is why all cyclones widen and the peak windstrengths reduce, as they drift north.

Atlantic depressions that hit the UK are as powerful as hurricanes, but they are more spread out with lower peak winds, than tropical cyclones, due to higher coriolis.

R

Michael in Dublin
September 14, 2018 2:29 pm

My son pointed out a flag from a live broadcast that clearly indicated the force and change of intensity of the wind. This is not something reporters are likely to notice and fake.

I hope someone, with a clear memory, who has been living on the North Carolina coast for the past 60 to 70 years will tell us about the worst storms he or she remembers and how the present storm compares.

James A. Schrumpf
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 14, 2018 7:41 pm

Don’t need to be that old or even to live in the OBX. In 2003, Isabel came ashore right at the Outer Banks as a Cat2 hurricane, and proceeded to cut an inlet clean across the island north of Hatteras village. Washed a bunch of local landmarks away, and people reported a storm surge that came up to 2nd story windows.

I don’t think Flo is quite going to reach that standard.

tweak
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 14, 2018 10:08 pm

Dunno, I tend to say away from the Carolinas. The only thing that comes to mind is Hazel 1954.

Earthling2
September 14, 2018 2:30 pm

That about sums up the whole ‘climate change’ absurdity. This continual nonsense about ‘carbon’ supposedly responsible for now for all weather events greater than natural variability is just bizarre. The whole subject of dangerous ‘global warming’ by media, academia, and special interest groups, all of whom are a minority in the population is a bold faced lie, just like this video.

Radical Rodent
September 14, 2018 2:31 pm

The BBC were hardly better: the (female, natch) reporter stood in the pouring rain, saying: “I am in the eye of the storm, which is windy and wet…” If they cannot do the most basic research as to what to expect, how can they give anything near to an honest, accurate report?

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Radical Rodent
September 14, 2018 8:23 pm

There is usually little rain and wind in the eye of a hurricane. The Eye of hurricane Hazel passed directly over our house. My father took the opportunity to take the baby sitter home and get back in time for the other wall.

Amber
September 14, 2018 2:31 pm

Yawn ! Another fake news broadcast .

Killer Marmot
September 14, 2018 2:32 pm

Just as some people can withstand intense heat better than others, the wind might blow one person over while leaving someone else unaffected. True fact.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Killer Marmot
September 14, 2018 2:48 pm

Killer, you are on a site where their are a lot of snart people. Even the usual trolls are embarrassed by your “saving the day”.

Killer Marmot
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 14, 2018 4:50 pm

Can those snart people spell.

I was making a joke. True fact.

Ken Mitchell
Reply to  Killer Marmot
September 14, 2018 4:58 pm

Humor is, if not already dead, under severe attack from people who neither understand nor approve of jokes.

Sorry.

J Mac
Reply to  Killer Marmot
September 14, 2018 2:49 pm

The Weather Channels ‘hurricane reporter’ was acting like he was being hit with high winds.
He was FAKING it! True fact.

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  J Mac
September 14, 2018 3:15 pm

Yep, he was full on legs braced stance into the wind, and still getting blown back in hops. Faking it.

Claiming infirmity is as credible as claiming to be an innocent tourist after flying to England from Russia to spend a few minutes looking at a steeple, with multiple escape routes, sorry, return flights booked!

J Mac
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
September 14, 2018 3:41 pm

As the guy behind him in shorts was ‘faking’ calmly strolling through, talking on his cell phone?

The Weather Channel ‘hurricane reporter’ was not ‘getting blown back in hops’. Watch it again. He is just rocking back and forth, pretending…… Use your eyes man! Yes, it’s windy. No, he’s not being blown away.
You can believe this fakery, if you like, but it is just bad acting. Highly exaggerated fake news.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  J Mac
September 14, 2018 6:03 pm

J Mac
He was being sarcastic.
He wasn’t buying this story any more than he believed the GRU agents lame stories.

With such a love for religious architecture might one expect they would also make these day trips to the other notable sights? That could be easily checked.

Hal
Reply to  Killer Marmot
September 14, 2018 3:35 pm

Amazingly asinine statement.

Killer Marmot
Reply to  Hal
September 14, 2018 4:52 pm

When you read such an asinine statement, you should ask yourself “Is this person being serious?”

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Killer Marmot
September 14, 2018 5:09 pm

Maybe only marmots got the joke.

gnomish
Reply to  Killer Marmot
September 15, 2018 11:29 am

that is my favorite form of humor, marmot
it is similar to radar, in a way.
it locates the emotional reactionaries who have no sense of humor
it locates the snart folks who use language for making sense rather than pavlovian semiotics.
yu find out who can pay attention and who’s bankrupt.
the intellectually bankrupt are fair game.

Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 2:32 pm

“The Storm Channel” stopped being “The Weather Channel” years ago.

If there’s not a storm in a friend’s or family’s area or even your area, good luck trying to find out what kind of weather they or you might be having by watching them.
(And if there is a storm, good luck separating the facts from the hype!)

PS How do they expect the people to take evacuation orders seriously when they show some of their people they “say” are in the heart of storm?
What’s next? Use CGI to put Cantori or one of the bobble heads in the middle Jupiter’s Red Spot?

@njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 2:35 pm

WTF, I normally don’t defend the Weather Channel but I will this time bs of this BS smear of Mike Seidel.

When I saw this post and saw the short little video it’s clearly Mike Seidel.

Mike Seidel in an older veteran of The Weather Channel and always stands that way when it’s windy in the recent years with him getting much older and doesn’t want to fall.

The wuwt post is not funny at all, I’m surprised you would write something like this Anthony.

Gunga Din
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 2:46 pm

Don’t buy you’re excuse for a minute.
Whoever it is is clearing acting like the wind blew them back. They aren’t just “standing” in their usually stance on a windy day.
If it is Mike Seidel, maybe he’s bought into the theatrics in recent years?

@njsnowfan
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 2:56 pm

He older now and has hard time standing in any type of wind, he balances him self like that doing any type live reporting in wind.

The wuwt post is basically making fun of someone who is disabled, Mike’s disability is getting old and having a hard time standing in the Wind.

It’s truly sad that Anthony would write and allow a post like this

Latitude
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 5:05 pm

Anthony, he has no difficulty…he’s only 61 and in great shape

Here’s the longer version of the clip, it’s even funnier because the two guys keep walking around…Mike didn’t see them, so he kept the act going

https://youtu.be/XFh-X1bv4P0

ray boorman
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 9:34 pm

Latitude, just watched your clip & the reporter clearly said the wind is gusting at 60 mph.
Why is he bouncing around? Well, the word “gusting” is a clue. Gusty winds when you are trying to stand still mean you are continually bracing yourself against the wind, only to find it suddenly drops off – & you “fall” into the hole in the wind. Then another gust hits, & you get pushed by it until you can re-brace yourself. Then the cycle repeats, & repeats. The reporter may be over-dramatizing, but it seems that many commenters here do not have personal experience of standing in strong, gusty winds.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  ray boorman
September 14, 2018 10:04 pm

Then another gust hits, & you get pushed by it until you can re-brace yourself. Then the cycle repeats, & repeats. The reporter may be over-dramatizing, but it seems that many commenters here do not have personal experience of standing in strong, gusty winds.

Nope. You’re making excuses for the Fake News you want to support. A gust then, if it actually has hit the man standing, leaves off its pressure suddenly – the man HAS TO straighten (or relax pushing) for a moment (or he/she/it) falls forward into the wind! – then the next gust comes. NONE of those instinctive muscle reactions takes place in the man, the relaxed walkers behind him, nor the are the gusts “visible” in the water at their feet. (Been there, fought those winds.)

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 9:38 pm

He said no one get killed in Blizzards what an idiot, four people died on nineth ave in Fargo in the eighties less than a quarter mile from NDSU farm and a half mile from the airport. I told my wife never to drive that street in a snow storm. If you are caught on a open road in a blizzard it a seriously life threatening event. If you are a farm you may loose your live stock. Loss of power is common and in below zero weather that serious no mater where you live.

coaldust
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 11:24 pm

In that video the graphic says “wind 29”, then “gust 48”. 29 mph sustained is not that much. Not even tropical storm strength. Gust to 48? Well the walkers in the background were handling it no problem. It is funny when he throws the shingle and it doesn’t go very far.

Latitude
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 15, 2018 5:46 am

“Why is he bouncing around?”

…because he’s faking it

You want a bigger shovel?

Gordon Dressler
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 15, 2018 4:12 pm

Not only doesn’t smell right, but doesn’t look right either. If the “reporter” was indeed responding to wind gusts of 60 mph or so (as others suggest), how then to explain the two younger persons in shorts in the background show no evidence that their strolling gait or balance was affected by those same presumed gusts?

John Endicott
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 17, 2018 7:38 am

“Then another gust hits, & you get pushed by it until you can re-brace yourself. Then the cycle repeats, & repeats.”

Sorry ray, but watch the video, you can see the direction the wind is blowing from the movement of the grass and other objects in the camera’s view. He’s standing in the wrong direction relative to the direction of the wind for the wind gusts to be affecting him like that. And those same wind gust magically miss the two passersby in the background (who are having no difficulties in walking around) and magically don’t affect anything else in the cameras view.

Mike Bryant
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:12 pm

It’s truly sad that you are such an… I started to say “idiot” but that would be making fun of idiots… I know how you hate that.

Steve Johnston
Reply to  Mike Bryant
September 14, 2018 7:50 pm

I thin the appellation you are looking for is “tool”.

Mike Bryant
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:16 pm

It’s truly sad that you think Anthony is cruel. He demonstrably NOT.

George Daddis
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:17 pm

If he is as disabled as you describe, they have no business putting him out there in a hurricane no matter what category it is.

To a reasonable person, your excuse does not pass the smell test.

K. Kilty
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:17 pm

If so, then what business did the weather channel have sending him into potentially dangerous winds?

michael hart
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:22 pm

I’ll assume you’re not being serious, @njsnowfan.
But just in case, look at the video again and watch the objects that ARE being blown by the wind. They appear to be actually travelling in the opposite to direction to that which his “bracing” implies! 🙂

Gunga Din
Reply to  michael hart
September 14, 2018 3:58 pm

After your comment I looked again. You’re right.
But, to be fair, he may have put his back to the wind to cover the mike so he could be heard.
But, yes, the whole scene was an exaggeration by The Storm Channel … until those guys casually strolled by in the background.

PS If conditions were as bad at that spot as “TSW” implied, why weren’t the guys in the background reacting to the conditions?

Roger Knights
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:24 pm

“He older now and has hard time standing in any type of wind, he balances him self like that doing any type live reporting in wind.”

So why didn’t he move back ten feet and brace himself against the in-ground sign?

Roger Knights
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:30 pm

“He’s older now and has hard time standing in any type of wind, he balances him self like that doing any type live reporting in wind.”

Then why didn’t he move back 10 feet and brace against the solid sign?

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Roger Knights
September 14, 2018 3:58 pm

It is also possible the “wind tunnel” around the buildings were greatest where he stood.
It makes for better theatrics, and gets more viewers to stay tuned.
TV news has turned into entertainment.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 6:46 pm

Great post Tony!

Ian W
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 15, 2018 2:12 am

There is another explanation. In any wind in an urban area there are various turbulent and venturi effects. So a relatively gentle wind can be magnified if you are in just the right spot. I would suspect that the reporter found ‘just the right spot’ to make a report about the wind – possibly the only spot in the area that had any real wind strength – and then stood on sloping ground to improve the optics.

There are some places between high rise buildings in cities that pedestrians can be blown off their feet by wind increased by the venturi effect between the buildings with the ambient wind being relatively low.

R Shearer
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 7:12 pm

Bull, you liar njsnowfan.

simple-touriste
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 7:30 pm

“someone who is disabled”

Are you really accusing that TV channel of putting a disabled person in harm’s way by sending him to areas where he is most likely to fall?

Cube
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 7:39 pm

Hi Griff! B. S.! Can smell it a mile away!

John Dilks
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 9:00 pm

What is truly sad, is that you assume that someone is making fun of an infirmary that they have no way of knowing exists.

simple-touriste
Reply to  John Dilks
September 15, 2018 4:15 pm

“disabled” is the new black/gay/trans?

Avspatti
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 15, 2018 9:13 pm

He is 61 years old which is NOT in any way disabled and is NOT old. For someone truly old, check Ruth Bader Ginsberg. You sound like you are twelve years old. Good grief.

Photios
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 10:52 pm

“your’

Latitude
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 4:50 pm

“Mike Seidel in an older veteran of The Weather Channel and always stands that way when it’s windy in the recent years with him getting much older and doesn’t want to fall.”

…he’s 61…..are you so stupid you think that’s old?

ossqss
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 6:43 pm

Why the heck would he be there if he was unable to do it safely. It was an obvious stunt to embellish the shot. No other excuse even comes close. Just look at the longer video posted by Latitude above. Speaks for itself. He was faking it. Period!

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Menicholas
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 15, 2018 1:25 am

Also, it does not hold water as an excuse.
There is concrete one step away from where he is, plus the guys in the background walk on grass too.
Also note Mike is saying that the gust he is in is as bad as it has been.
He is clearly faking.
Note he picks up and object and tosses it in the air…it went about 20 feet and hit the ground. Not exactly astounding.
On top of everything else, he is smart enough to know if it was too windy to stand, it is too dangerous to be in a place with tree branches and shingles blowing around.
I went outside last year in Irma about an hour or two before the eye wall passed over my house, and it was way windier than were he is. I did not dare let myself get exposed in the open…I could have been killed in an instant by any number of objects, like branches shingles…or anything else travelling at 60 mph.
Sheet metal would slice your throat, a branch could spear your to your heart or jam into your eye…and at any moment something could fly along.
And I can tell you…in a really strong storm, leaves are blowing off trees.
If he is standing in the open, it is not more than a tropical storm wind, if that.
How did the wind speed defining a storm even get decided on?
I suspect it has to do with just the question of blowing people around: Tropical storm force winds are the point at which the wind can physically move a person, and winds above hurricane force will be enough lift them off the ground. YMMV depending on weight and surface area, but if you are not being knocked around, it is not 60mph.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Menicholas
September 15, 2018 4:22 pm

Grass has extreme adherence. Try to ski on even a tiny spot of grass with snow elsewhere. In fact even grass stalk is enough to stop a ski.

Grass is extremely dangerous when skiing.

iggie
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 15, 2018 4:47 pm

At the end of the video, one of the ‘passerbys’ actually walks up on the grass and appears to have no problem.

Francesca
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 15, 2018 9:06 pm

61 years is NOT much older. Try again.

Eben
September 14, 2018 2:36 pm

should get drama queen award

kenji
September 14, 2018 2:38 pm

Just as FAKE … just as FABRICATED … as the Puerto Rican hurricane DEATH “TOLL” … attributed to PDJT.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  kenji
September 14, 2018 4:00 pm

The Puerto Rico “death toll” was arrived at using a computer model. The people who did the report did not do an actual body count. That’s how fake this story is.

Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 2:38 pm

Side Note:
I just noticed the “like” thing is gone. It’s behaving like the old system.
Did I miss an announcement?

RicDre
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 3:12 pm

Also, “Leave a Reply” is back on the bottom like it used to be on the “old system” instead of on the top where it has been with the “new system”.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 14, 2018 3:20 pm

Thanks!
I thought maybe something was wrong with the time-space continuum. 8- )

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 3:38 pm

Oh, there is, just not that…..

RicDre
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Also, the ability to Edit a comment seems to be missing.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 3:21 pm

Ditto. Also gone is the checkbox for notification of replies. Instead, the old, unsatisfactory checkboxes are in place, whereby one can either sign up for all comments on this thread or all notifications of future threads.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 14, 2018 4:14 pm

It looks like the WUWT website has reverted back to the old setup. I like the new setup much better.

Lank
September 14, 2018 2:45 pm

The Weatherchannel reporter is very likely ‘unbalanced’, perhaps needing the support of a psychiatrist. Other alternatives could include recent excessive consumption of alcoholic beverages or perhaps he’s just a downright dishonest climate alarmist. My best guess is all three.

NZ Willy
September 14, 2018 2:57 pm

Really, was Florence ever a category 4 hurricane? They say it was, when there was nobody to see it. Once it hits land, it’s just a tropical storm, i.e. cat 0. Maybe in fact it was never more than a cat 1. What are the chances the climatistas are hyping everything?

u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 2:58 pm

Oh well, if nothing else, I got to watch something of interest on the Weather Channel, instead of my usual fare of switching between Fox and MSNBC.

Gary
September 14, 2018 3:06 pm

Gives new meaning to the term bad actor.

Barbee
September 14, 2018 3:14 pm

***Snowflake***

@njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Take this BS Smear story down Anthony.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 4:45 pm

Then all his traffic could migrate to your blog, you have one don’t you ??
My quick search turned up nothing.
You need to pretend you have been invited into his living room, and behave properly.

That is not to say you can’t disagree, but show some respect.

Menicholas
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 4:48 pm

How about you STFU and quit trolling.
Why are you shilling for the fake news media?

Latitude
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 14, 2018 4:56 pm

“Take this BS Smear story down Anthony.”…

…snowflake, Mike Seidel is 61 years old, he’s not old and frail, and yes, he’s been caught pulling this crap before…

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But he’s all time funniest one…was this one

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Latitude
September 18, 2018 10:09 pm

Is it just me or does Lester Holt look like this guy?

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Fred250
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 15, 2018 3:09 am

Not your call. snowflake !

Don’t like it ?????

CRY elsewhere.

kramer
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 15, 2018 6:35 am

“BS Smear” The statement by the WC on this video said nothing about his age and alleged stability problems with wind.

The only BS and smear here might be from @njsnowfan. Perhaps you should consider changing your screen name to @njsnowJOBfan

John Endicott
Reply to  @njsnowfan
September 17, 2018 7:29 am

The only BS around here is the nonsense you posted about the reporter being old and frail. Not even the weather channel was willing to trout out that nonsense when they trotted out the nonsense about him being on the grass (you can see one of the guys in the background also walking on the grass without difficulty).

so either
1) the weather channel was “faking it” as everyone watching the video can see for themselves (in which case you are the one pedaling BS)
or
2) the weather channel is intentionally putting old and frail people into situations that could be harmful to their wellbeing.

not a good look for the weather channel in either case.

ATheoK
September 14, 2018 3:19 pm

Yup!

Just heard one of their doofuses report the maximum wind gust recorded at the airport; then finish his sentence with,”But, I can guarantee there are 75mph+ gusts mixed into the winds…

He’s also pretending to “stand against the wind”, except he keeps straightening and standing easily as he looks around.

Weather Channel for chumps: 90 percent show and 10% good radar images.

MrGrimNasty
September 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Watch the Weather Channel’s storm surge virtual reality, and then compare it to the pictures of unimpressive damage in reality, here:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45517260

(This is not intended to insult people who have suffered from this event, it is of course horrible, it is a comment on the hysterical exploitation of this event and those who have suffered by the MSM and climate change activists – there is almost a sense of celebration in the BBC’s declaration that it is now a ‘deadly’ hurricane.)

NZ Willy
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
September 14, 2018 9:34 pm

People should stop using the word “horrible” except in its intended meaning, such as if your family is chased by a pack of wolves then that’s “terror”, and when the wolves are among you then that’s “horror”.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  NZ Willy
September 14, 2018 10:04 pm

But the wolves think it is “nice” and “supper time”.

Mike Thies
September 14, 2018 4:06 pm

Great example of weather porn.

Will
September 14, 2018 4:40 pm

The wind is so light the reporter doesn’t have a sense of which way to (fake) brace himself. The wind is right to left and he is bracing to the left.

Menicholas
September 14, 2018 4:44 pm

I just saw this and rushed over to share it, but see you all beat me to it. I am glad it is obvious to everyone what is going on here: Even the man on the street weather reporting is fake news now.

kramer
September 14, 2018 4:51 pm

Love that video, already emailed it out!

And isn’t this an example of fake news?

Mike Nussman
September 14, 2018 5:22 pm

Yeah reality does not provide for their sustenance.So they throw BULLSHIT Balls all the time. At 4AM this morning I assume I’m not the only one who noticed the 10″ tree that was snapped off on their on the scene show , about 2/3 of the thing was diseased.Dont be a subliminal receptor, television tends to do the thinking and processing for you.And quite frankly,DR Handjive who moves his arms in-sync with his lips is damn annoying.

yarpos
September 14, 2018 5:27 pm

Been interesting watching Florence’s wind levels slowly reducing, the MSM seem dissapointed they havent got a disaster to confirm their biases.

A while ago we were visiting NYC and after a day or two it was reported a storm /potential hurricane was coming. The media went into full DEFCON4 mode, cub reporters were reporting from fishing dinghies reporting on a slight chop (seriously if its going to be that bad what are you doing out there in that?), then the best one was a reporter talking from the beach with the wind picking up alledgedly. The camera panned backed and there were two kids throwing around a beach ball and a couple sunbaking, looking at her like she was from another planet.

K. Kilty
September 14, 2018 6:04 pm

I happened upon the Harrison Ford Climate Summit clip where, in his new costume as gray-bearded kook, Harrison tells us to stop denying science. Yet, I read today, all over the internet, that Trump is partially responsible for this hurricane. I ask, Could anything more clearly be a denial of science than the think Trump can control a hurricane?

K.Kilty
Reply to  K. Kilty
September 14, 2018 6:05 pm

Darn. No editing? “thinking Trump”.

hunter
Reply to  K. Kilty
September 15, 2018 2:09 am

Bingo.
Only superstitious crazy people think that a person’s beliefs are responsible for bad weather.

iggie
Reply to  hunter
September 15, 2018 4:56 pm

As TH points out,
‘Your task is to identify which one was caused by President Trump.’

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stan
September 14, 2018 6:14 pm

Trump’s fault. CNN said so.

Ve2
September 14, 2018 6:47 pm

Reminds me of that clown trying to convince us of the severity of Super Storm Sandy while wearing a baseball cap when a man walking his dog strolled across the intersection behind him.

kent beuchert
September 14, 2018 9:03 pm

They have atrributed 5 deaths to the storm including one froa heart attack. SO if you have a heart attack while a hurricane is hanging ariound, it gets blamed?

Ken Mitchell
Reply to  kent beuchert
September 14, 2018 9:45 pm

“SO if you have a heart attack while a hurricane is hanging ariound, it gets blamed?”

Yup; the idea is that if there hadn’t been a storm, he wouldn’t have been working, or stressing.

It’s like that everywhere. Several firefighters have been killed in the recent California wildfires. They weren’t fighting the fires, but they were driving on the freeways TO the fire zones. Still counts as a fire-related death. Because if there hadn’t been a fire, they would have been home in bed, or watching TV or something.

Menicholas
Reply to  Ken Mitchell
September 15, 2018 1:31 am

By that method of accounting, we have to subtract the number of fatal car wrecks that do not occur because everyone is hunkered down and most are off the roads.
Roughly three people per state per day are killed in car wrecks.
So anything under that is a net savings of lives.

Go Home
Reply to  kent beuchert
September 14, 2018 9:50 pm

I think if the storm prevented the ambulance getting to the victim, yes it is considered a hurricane death…. when a republican is president.

Patrick MJD
September 14, 2018 9:15 pm

This actually got reported here in Australia which is a real surprise. Hummm…thinking about it, Australian media is heavily in to fake news.

ossqss
September 14, 2018 10:24 pm

Best explaination I have viewed so far.

From Privateidaho.

“To be fair, he was standing in the eyewall and those bystanders are still in the eye…..explains everything.”

There ya have it! 😉

Arbeegee
September 14, 2018 10:38 pm

So if President Trump is somehow responsible for Hurricane Florence, perhaps then he was responsible for the recent ten years of diminished US hurricane activity too? Impressive.

ren
September 14, 2018 10:45 pm

Eye of tropical storm Florence is now on the coast of South Carolina. It moves to the west at a speed of just 7 km / h. The wind is blowing at speeds up to 100 km / h.

amber
September 14, 2018 11:04 pm

I like the raised arm to protect himself from flying cars .
Great acting in a drama series .
I thought CNN had cornered the market . What no Anderson Cooper ?

J.H.
September 15, 2018 12:12 am

More Fake News….. They just cannot help themselves. They are so used to manipulating the images we see and the discussions we get to hear…. But now with the Internet we can expose their falsehoods and deceit, discover the facts for ourselves or send their slip ups viral…. Which is why they want to Censor us and regulate the Internet. They want their “Power over the Narrative” back.

Well they are never going to get that “Power” back as long as a Free American Society reigns…. I was going to say as “long as free Western society reigns”, but too many free Western societies have given up their freedoms to an entrenched political class and the Welfare state.

ren
September 15, 2018 12:27 am

“As Super Typhoon Mangkhut continues to sweep across the island of Luzon in the Philippines, it appears that the massive eye of the storm has collapsed in on itself. Even after making landfall and losing its eye though, the storm is still a massive Category-5 strength, shooting out rain, thunder, and lighting across thousands of square miles. In other words, if Hurricane Florence was Loki, joyfully spreading disaster and chaos, then Mangkhut is definitely Thor. Or, maybe it’s simply the Hulk. Actually, it’s more like a typhoon angel and a mutant pirate missing an eye had a baby, that baby was an avenging pirate/angel, then the angel baby grew up, it exposed itself to gamma radiation, gained incredible size and strength, stole Thor’s hammer, and used it to attack the Philippines.”
https://www.facebook.com/Okinawatyphoonpics/

Susan
Reply to  ren
September 15, 2018 6:51 am

I’m glad someone has mentioned that one, Florence is rather hogging the limelight!

Charles Nelson
September 15, 2018 12:33 am

Just so that you know how bad it’s getting….we are unable to see the clip here in Australia…I guess they pulled some kind of copy-right move…but, so much for internet freedom!

Derg
Reply to  Charles Nelson
September 15, 2018 6:22 am

Yep, very hard to find it on uTube.

Menicholas
Reply to  Charles Nelson
September 15, 2018 1:05 pm

Check Breitbart.
This video is now viral, being played all over the world and is front page news on many websites.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/09/15/watch-weather-channel-reporter-mocked-for-appearing-to-exaggerate-florence/

Flight Level
September 15, 2018 12:35 am

Hey, I didn’t know weather systems can be that local. Aw, is there something global warming can’t do?

30 years ago I jettisoned my TV and never bought another one. Guess why.

Edim
September 15, 2018 1:57 am

He’s not leaning against the wind!?

buckeyebob
September 15, 2018 2:07 am

If no one already commented, he’s bracing the wrong direction to the wind. The wind is coming from right to left and he’s braced for a left to right wind. Another reason I stopped watching TWC.

hunter
September 15, 2018 2:19 am

The Weather Channel’s culture is one of deceptively hyping weather events for ratings and politics.
The reporter is just a willing part of his employer’s culture of deception and corruption.

hunter
September 15, 2018 2:29 am

The reporter lied about the wind speed as well, claiming that the wind speed was over 60mph when it was actually around 35.
What a useless channel TWC has become, all over the desire to scare people about the weather and climate.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
September 15, 2018 3:02 am

Funny clip. After a quick search he seems to have resisted the cAGW bandwagon otherwise. Pretty impressive after 25 years in the network. I’m giving Mike Seidel the benefit of the doubt – gusts do throw trash around. Same weatherman during Hurricane Nate:

Menicholas
Reply to  Jaakko Kateenkorva
September 15, 2018 1:11 pm

Gusts do not throw trash around?
That seems to be the opposite of what I have observed.
Rapid changes in wind speed have a greater tendency to lift objects and hurls them than steady wind.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
Reply to  Menicholas
September 17, 2018 9:37 am

If you read again, you notice we agree.

Menicholas
Reply to  Jaakko Kateenkorva
September 19, 2018 9:52 pm

10-4, sorry.
My bad.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
September 15, 2018 3:15 am

He had to land under sniper fire.

marty
September 15, 2018 3:26 am

I bet they have a fan set up outside the picture 🙂

Johanus
September 15, 2018 3:44 am

Mike Seidel’s movements in this clip are most certainly “gesticulations”:

gesticulation – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gesticulation
Noun. gesticulation (countable and uncountable, plural gesticulations) The act of gesticulating, or making gestures to aid expression of thoughts, sentiments or passion. A gesture; a motion of the body or limbs when speaking, or in representing action or passion, and enforcing arguments and sentiments.
‎English · ‎Noun

Are they justified? In a “religious” sense, yes. Climatism is a religion, and Seidel has apparently taken holy orders as one of its priests. He is seen here delivering a sermon on “The End is Near”.
/s

Jaakko Kateenkorva
Reply to  Johanus
September 15, 2018 4:44 am

Gesticulation suits the “Religion Which Must Not Be Named” globally.

But, there are many deserving candidates. One of my personal favourites reached a milestone based on Indian Penal Code Criteria yesterday:

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/pachauri-to-be-charged-in-sexual-harassment-case201809141614270001/

Johanus
September 15, 2018 3:53 am

Mike Seidel’s movements in this clip are most certainly “gesticulations”:

gesticulation – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gesticulation
Noun. gesticulation (countable and uncountable, plural gesticulations) The act of gesticulating, or making gestures to aid expression of thoughts, sentiments or passion. A gesture; a motion of the body or limbs when speaking, or in representing action or passion, and enforcing arguments and sentiments.
‎English · ‎Noun

Are these gesticulations justified?

In a “religious” sense, yes. Everyone is entitled to freely practice religion. Climatism is a religion, and Seidel has apparently taken holy orders as one of its priests. He is seen here delivering a sermon on “The End is Near”.
/s

Johanus
Reply to  Johanus
September 15, 2018 4:07 am

Sorry about the “echo”.
When I pushed “Post Comment”, the screen went blank for a moment and then reappeared with my text still in edit mode. So I made a small edit, pushed the button again and then both posts appeared in print.

[So, remove the first dupe? Or leave them both as-is? .mod]

Johanus
Reply to  Johanus
September 15, 2018 11:39 am

“[So, remove the first dupe? Or leave them both as-is? .mod]”

Doesn’t matter. Important thing is to get WUWT working normally again.

Melvyn Dackombe
September 15, 2018 5:23 am

To make it even more stupid, he is not leaning into the wind.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Melvyn Dackombe
September 15, 2018 9:03 am

It seems to me that if you were trying to hold your position in a strong wind, you might want to turn your back into it, less chance of debris/raindrops hitting you in the face.
And FWIW, I’ve worked outside all day in strong winds, it wears you out just trying to keep your balance.

Melvyn Dackombe
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 15, 2018 11:55 am

Yes UK, I see your point.

Menicholas
Reply to  Melvyn Dackombe
September 15, 2018 1:15 pm

If the wind is strong enough to knock you around, leaning away from it will make it easier to be knocked over.
We naturally lean into forces which push against us.
And looking away from strong wind in dangerous situations is just dumb…I think you want to see it if something is flying towards your head and body.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Menicholas
September 15, 2018 5:50 pm

Look at the knee joint and in which position it might be better
aligned to absorb a sudden stress.

Tom in Florida
September 15, 2018 5:39 am

I think the biggest take from the video on Update 2 is the posted wind speed and gusts in the upper left corner.
Too many people think the wind that is being shown is a hurricane. As the video shows that wind is only 29 mph. So many people do not understand how powerful 74+ mph winds really are.

Menicholas
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 15, 2018 1:19 pm

Force is proportional to the square of the velocity, a 29 mph wind is about 15% of a hurricane force wind.
It takes 40 MPH to push a person at all, unless you are on roller skates or something.

Menicholas
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 15, 2018 1:21 pm

Doing the math, a 40 mph minimal tropical storm wind is almost twice as forceful as a 29 mph wind.

tty
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 15, 2018 3:59 pm

29 mph is Force 6 on the Beaufort Scale, i. e. a “Strong Breeze”

Jason
September 15, 2018 5:56 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaEwYWkKAk

funny response to this fakery

John Garrett
September 15, 2018 6:06 am

I think the S.O.B. should be prosecuted for perpetrating a fraud on the public.

Sabre22
September 15, 2018 7:03 am

Blaming it on Wet grass is ridiculous but typical for climate change idiots

September 15, 2018 7:06 am

So many people involved producing a simple news segment are willing to LIE.
Gee, makes you wonder what else they would LIE about.

Menicholas
Reply to  Matthew w
September 15, 2018 1:08 pm

Everything and anything.
Any.
Thing.
Every.
Thing.
Period.
.

Dennis Bird
September 15, 2018 7:08 am

This video is a perfect example of MSM and their continued psychological warfare. To what end? 1984 is here people. While the commenters on this forum are awake, most of the populace are not. Time to break up the monopoly the MSM has worldwide.

beng135
September 15, 2018 7:35 am

Hilarious. Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a big wind-machine set up just out of view.

Ve2
September 15, 2018 8:51 am

I particularly like the way he was leaning forward when the wind was coming from behind him.

Jeff Labute
September 15, 2018 10:23 am

So now after the hurricane, CBC has been interviewing Kevin Trenberth. Kevin says climate change will make for stronger and longer hurricanes. The CBC knows no limits to natural disaters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_E._Trenberth

Bob Denby
September 15, 2018 11:09 am

Haven’t taken the time to read all comments but it’s clear that the guy has his back to the wind while his posture makes it seem he’s facing (and bracing) it — note the direction of the plants bending with the wind in the sign planter nearby.

Another guy (on FOX I think) stood up, extending his upper body through the sunroof of a moving car (side and background revealing the movement without showing any part of the car), making it seem as though the relative wind was the REAL wind! When the floor director signals ‘you’re on’, YOU’RE ON! (story or no story — make it up if you have to).

Pop Piasa
September 15, 2018 11:16 am

as Pappy would say:

dmacleo
September 15, 2018 11:26 am

notice he is leaning AWAY from the wind (watch the grass) and not INTO it to keep balance/footing.

UK Sceptic
September 15, 2018 11:39 am

Actually it looks like the type of dance a youngster performs when he needs to go to the toilet.

Jeff Labute
September 15, 2018 1:16 pm

This video was played on CBC. CBC reports that the weather channel said the reporter was tired. CBC can’t be taken as seriously if they really believe what they report. No infirmity, no physical or mental problems, ok, maybe mental problems, but just tired as the weather channel said.

Superchunk
September 15, 2018 1:29 pm

Even if this had been radio, it seems like the real story should have been that conditions were surprisingly mild compared to what had been predicted.

Typical Leftist
September 15, 2018 1:32 pm

Obviously you Climate Deniers don’t understand the difference between Weather and Climate.

The two guys in the background are experiencing Weather.

Mike Seidel is obviously experiencing Climate.

See? So easy an inbred, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, right-winger can understand it.

Andrew Dickens
September 15, 2018 2:45 pm

the reporters on British tv looked as if someone had chucked a bucket of water over them just before the broadcast. For the sake of verisimilitude of course.

flynn
September 15, 2018 4:05 pm

Best post ever.

John
September 15, 2018 4:28 pm

Everyone in this thread is wrong about what’s happening in the video, clearly the green screen operator loaded the wrong background video, had the proper video been loaded we would have all been duped into thinking Florence came ashore as a cat 9 hurricane and he would have been leaning in the right direction as the cars, trucks and freight trains flew past him ;0)

richard butler
September 16, 2018 9:47 am

Look at the grass and the object blowing past in the background. They’re blowing from right to left. He is struglling AGAINST a wind that’s blowing from left to right. WTF! Another example of fake news.

September 16, 2018 10:06 am

When I look at that video, I notice the predominant direction in which the wind is blowing — it’s blowing towards the reporter’s BACK (from right to left). But the way he is bracing himself suggests that the wind should be blowing from his front (from left to right). His back leg is behind him, and he is leaning forward, which is a stance that you would take to brace against a force coming from your FRONT, but he is bracing opposite from the way you would brace against a wind blowing from his back.

As for the statement in his defense, that’s a load.

He should have faced in the opposite direction, but that would have put the rain blowing into his face, and we couldn’t have that, could we.

Amber
September 16, 2018 2:26 pm

Pull that shot back a little further and they were probably using a wind machine .
But hey they spent some money getting this weather actor down there so they better get some
value . Whoops got caught …. again .
When I was a kid my Nanna used to get national enquirer type magazines and we used to just roll our eyes
but they actually look more legit than most of the click bait complete shit that is passed off as news these days .

September 16, 2018 3:06 pm

I don’t think that they were using a wind machine. I think that the wind was blowing as depicted, but he was trying to fake how STRONGLY it was blowing, but he blew it (pun intended), because he was posturing in the WRONG direction to even fake it.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 17, 2018 3:20 am

He doesn’t look like he’s ever been in a high wind situation. Leaning in the direction of the wind is a #fail first up!!!!

Gary Meyers
September 16, 2018 4:27 pm

He learned that trick from Jim “Thunder Snow Cantori

fxk
September 17, 2018 3:45 pm

Oh, he was standing on grass… Really? Talk about a fake leaning into the wind even without those guys walking completely unaffected by the wind.
Laugh it off, morons. “…is there a dropoff or something, or those two guys walking on water…” That producer and TV face should be fired!

What ever happened to any form of journalistic integrity? I mean… this a WEATHER event, for God’s sake. If they can’t be trusted with the facts of weather, how can they be trusted saying anything. Oh yeah, let’s chalk it up to the producers trying to think of something cute to do.
Freaking morons.

simple-touriste
Reply to  fxk
September 18, 2018 10:55 am

Not only that, they are acting as if they had no interest in preserving their r-i-s-p-e-c-t capital.

John Endicott
Reply to  fxk
September 20, 2018 11:09 am

Oh, he was standing on grass… Really? Talk about a fake leaning into the wind even without those guys walking completely unaffected by the wind.

Not only are those two guys completely unaffected by the wind, but one of them is completely unaffected by the grass (watch the full video, at least one of the two guys is seen walking onto the grass across the street without suffering any of the problems of our intrepid weather channel reporter ham-actor)