Claim: White Evangelicals Have Sold Their Souls on Climate Change

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Clean Technica author Steve Hanley seems to think White Evangelicals have traded their integrity for Big Oil Money.

Why White Evangelicals Don’t Care About Climate Change

The evangelical community has been coming in for a lot of criticism in recent months, much of it from religious leaders and conservatives. They seem to be unmoved by the president’s constant berating of Muslims, people of color, refugees, Jews, gays, and any others who are not typically associated with the evangelical community. Actually, make that the white evangelical community, more than 80% of whom voted for Donald Trump. Only about 20% of non-white evangelicals did so, according to the Pew Research Center.

Have Evangelicals Sold Their Souls?

Scratch the evangelicals who are parading around the corridors of power in Washington, DC, these days and you will find many of them are backed by the Koch Brothers. No one knows if either one of those old crocks attends church on a regular basis, but they have latched on to the evangelical movement and embraced it in a cynical attempt to solidify their political power.

Fossil Fuels And God

At this point, I am going to stop and suggest — no urge — you to read an article on this topic published last September by Splinter entitled How Fossil Fuel Money Made Climate Change Denial the Word of God. “Conservative groups, funded by fossil fuel magnates, spend approximately one billion dollars every year interfering with public understanding of what is actually happening to our world,” the article points out.

What the Koch Brothers and their minions have done is to cynically insinuate themselves and their desire to continue profiting from fossil fuels into the core beliefs of the evangelical movement. Writing in the Washington Post last year, Lisa Vox said, “When scientists began sounding the alarm over climate change in the 1980s, conservative evangelicals, who had been somewhat accepting of environmentalism in the 1970s, became convinced that the Antichrist would use the fear of climate change to seize power.”

Read more: https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/05/why-white-evangelicals-dont-care-about-climate-change/

Why should we even look at this vile discharge of delusional anti-Trump alarmist fantasy?

An experienced political campaigner once told me that you have to challenge every lie. The bigger the lie, the greater the risk that some people will accept the lie. The implausibility of a lie can actually add to the lie’s credibility. People find it so difficult to imagine someone would make up a story so ridiculous, they seriously consider the possibility that the story is actually true.

This kind of extreme fantasy might be the climate movement’s last gasp, but they have not lost yet. Clean Technica is not the Wall Street Journal, but people read Clean Technica and are influenced by it.

I have read such claims before, though this is probably the most extreme manifestation I have seen so far.

Allowing festering conspiracy theories like the above stand unchallenged, regardless of how implausible they are, can allow the infection to spread.

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136 thoughts on “Claim: White Evangelicals Have Sold Their Souls on Climate Change

  1. Wow, that tripe is horrific, but I think in a good way, this is a sign that they have become so desperate. The climate change lies have always sat with the super corrupt.

    • That said, many good people that I know have bought into the global warming general lie, we might warm, but the evidence suggests the opposite. So as the “great lie” comes to a close, the so called elite will try to profit as much as possible before they are marginalized.

      • It used to be that only Crazy People ran around with signage proclaiming the End of the World and the Second Coming of the Messiah….


        Good to see those same Crazy People are still employed as sign carriers…


        Nothing really changes does it??

    • Wrong. The deranged left is on the verge of taking power and imposing a racist thug tyranny on America that is difficult to fathom and hideous to consider.

      • And THIS – THIS exactly is why this is now a purely POLITICAL fight, being waged by the Left. Yesterday there was a thread saying “oh why do you blame the left for this, why antagonize them…” it is because it is the LEFT that is waging political war on everyone who does not buy into the Climate Change / Global Warming religion.

        If this was just about science, why would anyone care what evangelical voters think? Why would that ever be an issue? But this is NOT about science, this entire issue is about politics, and the left is furious that evangelicals have decided to support Trump (not because of Trump, btw, but because the left already hated and ridiculed evangelicals constantly). So, the Left is now manufacturing new rants daily not just to attack Trump, but to attack anyone who might even consider supporting him as an immoral, hypocritical, and totally Deplorable person.

        And that is all that this story is about.

      • It’s not just global warming, it’s there belief that government is the solution to all problems and that the more powerful government is, the closer to nirvana the world gets.

    • Note how in that rant the author claims that “Trump constantly berates Jews…” – even though Trump has been the most Pro-Israel President that the United States has ever had? And that it’s actually the Palestinians who are currently outraged by him, because Trump is so pro-Jewish?

      • It’s not like the author of the article is actually sitting down and thinking.
        In his mind, conservatives hate Jews, Trump is a conservative (not really, but compared to communists …),
        therefore Trump must hate Jews.

      • You’re right, of course, It’s especially notable because all of the most virulent jew-hatred today is found on the Left – just look at the troubles Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party has been having about that.

      • WWS – the left is constantly berating Jews in one form or another (Jackson’s “Hymietown”, Ferrakhan’s anti-Semite writings, MSM’s negative view of Israel, Bebe, and the backlash against the move of the embassy to Jerusalem, thier pro-Palestinian news articles, etc.). Still, the Jews in this country vote for them. Jews can’t help it. They have always loved big government – all the way back to Chronicles, before Kings. It is historical, with God punishing them on occasion for it.

        Or they’re masochistic. Or they like to keep their enemies close? Nah. But I don’t get it.

        Definitely not all of them. At least, not many in my family.

    • “Actually, make that the white evangelical community, more than 80% of whom voted for Donald Trump. ”

      That statement is laughably false. Less than 80% even voted.

  2. Any thoughtfu reading of the Bible and one understands that it is mankind’s ability to inflict tyranny one another is the far greater threat.
    And all thosenatural calamities of floods, fires, plagues, famines, droughts, etc occurred when atmospheric CO2 was at the supposed perfect level of 280 ppm.
    Furthermore, it is the Leftist Socialists that want society to disavow the Enlightenment and drag Western society society back to the Dark Ages of 6th Century Islamization.
    One final thought is that Evangelicals are warned every Sunday about evildoers trying to convince followers of Christ into accepting false prophets and pagan religions. Climate change has/is both.

    • A listener on Rush Limbaugh’s program called the Liberals “MODERN DAY PAGANS”. I wish I would have coined that phrase as it is SO appropriate.
      I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALL NOT HAVE GREEN GODS BEFORE ME. How’s that for an alternative?

      • While I don’t adhere to the traditional Christian definition of Satan, it is evident a strong majority of the left has morphed into satanic creatures. This is absolutely a religious war, and let us not mince words. There will come a day when these monsters, employing their paid mercenaries in badges come forcefully upon us at gunpoint. The question is, how many of you will die on your feet fighting against this tyranny?

        Monotheistic, traditionalist believers are under attack by Satan worshipping savages of the worst kind. They embody the identity of what Christians call Satan, and that is the idea that:
        1. man is God
        2. truth is relative
        3. the self is the utmost importance
        4. Self reservation at all costs, especially eugenics

        The virtue signaling is simply transference and projection, because they think we are so simple and unintelligent we can’t see through their think veiled mask of misanthropy. Simply put, they want us dead because that leaves more for them. But they are weak. They refuse to hunt to feed themselves. They refuse to understand firearms and the wonder of force multiplication for defense against larger, more powerful oppressors. They place their faith in government (man) while simultaneously chastising humans for being evil. They are the epitome of selfishness, narcissism, deceit, and self-loathing (gee, I wonder where they learned that behavior).

        I could go on, but the fact remains they despise doers, such as ourselves. They despise genuine thinkers, because they know deep down they lack the capacity. They don’t like competition because they are to weak to compete.

        So when we look at this group, this foul collection of broken individuals, a fear washes over. They are United in their hatred for humanity and they look to destroy it at all costs. They will be successful unless those individuals such as ourselves equally unite against them. The time has passed to continue remarking casually on these boards, but rather unite, get out and work together to change the discussion. We can’t change the minds of these barbaric creatures (not a slight, it’s an accurate description of their words and actions).
        We must assist the undecided, the unlearned, the unengaged, those who think they are powerless, etc… We need to show them that logic, reason, politeness, and compassion are real, not just words.

        The more these misguided humans act violent, the more we must confront them peacefully until physically attacked… At that point it’s fair game and they stand no chance against righteous anger.

        The tipping point was never about CO2. The real tipping point was already how far reasonable, compassionate, loving humans would permit these people to push until we were forced to push back.
        Well it’s time folks. It’s time to push back and stomp out this foul religion once and for all

  3. You have to think about where the white evangelicals live and what their circumstances are. Part of the issue is that they don’t want the east and west coast elites dictating their morality. link They are President Trump’s forgotten people. They have been deeply betrayed by both parties. They are bitter, they are drinking themselves to death, they are smoking themselves to death, they are committing suicide. link They voted for Donald Trump because they are desperate.

    The Democrat party doesn’t want to deal with the truth. It has all kinds of excuses for why it lost the election. None of those excuses deal with the pain it has inflicted on the people that it, the Democrat party, should have been standing up for. link

    Blaming the President’s victory on oil money is just one more way to ignore what’s really going on.

    • The Democrat party doesn’t want to deal with the truth.
      ==========================
      Trump was elected to rain the Swamp. Both Democrats and Republicans. George Washington left politics largely because of the corrupting influence of party politics. In the years since no one has been able to clean up the mess.

      The US did have a solution. The Line-Item Veto. This gave the President the power to veto specific items, such as the New York tunnel in the most recent Omnibus Spending Bill. However:

      Intended to control “pork barrel spending”, the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 was held to be unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 1998 ruling in Clinton v. City of New York. The court affirmed a lower court decision that the line-item veto was equivalent to the unilateral amendment or repeal of only parts of statutes and therefore violated the Presentment Clause of the United States Constitution.[4]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto#Federal_government

      • ” the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 was held to be unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 1998 ruling in Clinton v. City of New York.”

        I have to disagree with that ruling. The line-item veto does not reduce the authority of Congress, it just makes the process longer for them. If the president vetos a line-item, the Congress can always come back and override his veto if the line-item is important enough to enough in Congress to vote to override.

        We will never get our budget under control without a presidential line-item veto. Obviously our Congresscritters are not going to make the hard choices needed to bring it under control.

        We should also amend the U.S. Constitution to require a balanced budget.

    • Did I miss the /sarc? Do you really believe what you wrote?

      I know countless evangelicals (both white and not). Smoking is extremely rare in this crowd. About a third of them do not drink alcohol at all and about 90% of the rest have only a few drinks a week. I don’t know of a single case of attempted suicide.

    • CommieBob – Go jump in a lake.

      Or, come over and let’s talk about God’s love for you.

  4. I feel left out! I am a White, Non-Evangelical, skeptical about the Anthropogenic part of Global Climate Change, who actually took money from BIG OIL, and nobody systematically insults me. Looks like the Evangelical part might be the link.

    • They want the Evangelicals to reject the Christ’s teachings and accept their pagan religion of Climate Change and that it is mankind’s carbon sins that they must make payments for.

    • “Looks like the Evangelical part might be the link.”

      Indeed. Mocking evangelicals goes back, way back, into history. But there is a similarity — strongly held beliefs on weak public evidence. [private evidence can be strong but cannot be demonstrated to others]

  5. The rank-and-file membership rejected the effort. Like the oil and utilities industries, they decided that recognizing climate change was against their political interests.

    This begs the question. It assumes that the rejection was due to their political interests. That is what is being asked. Did Evangelicals sell out their principles for political purposes?

    The implication is that certain Evangelical branches place faith before observation anyway. These would believe anything if it benefits them. But even Seven Day Creationists don’t believe anything. They choose to believe based on their reading of the Bible. They don’t write new Bibles as required. It is another leap of faith to say that not believing in evolution is to anyone’s actual benefit.

    Besides, a more likely reason for the rejection is that the science is very disputable, both from a lack of evidence viewpoint and because a group unified by faith is not likely to have a unified scientific position. They are likely to have a unified moral position.

    And that is where the article really fails.
    • It ignores the immorality of acting to prevent climate change at great cost to the poor as a precaution.
    • It ignores the corruption demonstrated by leaked emails and numerous attempts to pervert the scientific method.
    • It ignores the immorality of asserting absolute knowledge of the truth – breaking the 1st commandment.

    The article assumes this is political corruption and not a genuine disagreement. But it proves nothing.

    • Another point is the significant number of engineers Protestant churches. I have had numerous discussions over donuts and coffee debating theology and the environment. I’ve successfully convinced several people that the threat from climate change is exaggerated and that the proposed solutions wouldn’t work. I’m sure I’m not alone

    • M Courtney,

      I noticed that quote as well. If I were inclined to be less gracious than I am, I’d be forced to believe that this was a direct projection of the author’s own modus operandi.

      All in all, after reading the Splinter article (well, as much as I could stomach…after a while you realize that rolling in the mud is neither necessary nor beneficial) including many of the hyperlinked “studies”, what I’d say is, it’s not even wrong. It’s so divorced from reality that it’s basically indistinguishable from a pack of lies. Truly pathetic.

      rip

    • MCourtney: As usual, very good comment from a Courtney. Don’t agree, though, that it proves nothing at all. It proves the author was content to write on a subject of which he is ignorant, and didn’t clutter his mind with alotta “research”. So long as he slanders the right target, editors and publishers swim along.

  6. The AGW adherants just can’t stand people that can think for themselves instead of jumping on the bandwagon of group-think.

    • That would be liberals in general, not just AGW adherants.

      And before anyone complains, I am not saying that all liberals are AGW adherents, however the vast majority of AGW adherents are liberal.

  7. Well what are they supposed to do? I know from long experience trying to talk to CAGW friends that I cannot attempt to discuss science with them because few of them know any. So they rely solely on narrative and the opinions of Kos, Slate, etc., and the more ground they lose (poll after poll shows the issue is politically dead) the more enraged and irrational they get on this particular topic. Why, because their arguments have been mostly emotional, not rational, and as the whole 30 years of CAGW narrative collapses around them in every poll it shows up in, their emotions can only go in this direction – cornered-rat shrill and extreme.

    • There’s an old saying that you can’t use logic to talk someone out of a position that they didn’t use logic to form in the first place.

    • They always defer to “experts”, not realizing that some experts disagree with the experts that they believe. They think that there are more experts on their side so that’s where the truth (lies). Science has really gone down the s#!tter in the last 40 years. Hijacked by Marxist know nuthins

  8. Does this claim smack of fraud to anyone other than me?

    I maybe be “White” – actually, I’m Caucasian, mostly Cymric Welsh/Cornish/Scot/Irish, plus some French and German tossed in there – and non-practicing C of E, detest evangelism as another form of mind control and fraud, and have an open mind about the subject of climate change. I will listen to a reasoned argument, but when the fractious insults start, I’m gone.

    The most despicable parts of this nonsense are the money-grubbing greed that sticks out at the top of the pile of phony claims, the corruption of turning a branch of science into a pseudo-religion, and the public tantrums/anger/threats launched at people who don’t swallow the propaganda, don’t toe the line, and can think for themselves.

    It’s just fraud in its purest form, not much else. But you’re right – we owe it to ourselves to be aware of this instead of turning our heads away from it. Otherwise, we will lose.

      • Beware the No True Evangelical fallacy! But I agree if you mean that the Church of England isn’t exactly typical of evangelicals; which is a rather fuzzy term that includes many kinds of evangelicals including Pentecostals which itself is a bit fuzzy and includes snake handling (if I remember right).

      • I said nothing about what a Evangelical does or doesn’t believe. I was objecting to the characterization of all Evangelicals in general as being mind control and fraud.
        Regardless, when the subject is an ideology of any form, then there is a no true Scotsman problem.
        For example, to be a Christian you have to believe in the divinity of Christ. Anyone who doesn’t believe in the divinity of Christ may call themselves Christian, but they aren’t.
        A libertarian believes in small government. Someone who believes in big government isn’t a Libertarian, regardless of what he may call himself.
        The No True Scotsman fallacy derives from assigning ideological conditions on something that is in that case, derived from an accident of birth.

  9. From the article: “They seem to be unmoved by the president’s constant berating of Muslims, people of color, refugees, Jews, gays, and any others who are not typically associated with the evangelical community.”

    President Trump only berates Muslim extremists.

    President Trump praises people of color.

    President Trump likes legal refugees.

    President Trump has never said anything against the Jews. He is one of their biggest supporters. If not *the* biggest.

    President Trump does not berate gays. He protects gays from radical Muslims.

    I see where George Washington University had a forum on “Christian Privilege” yesterday, a thinly veiled attempt to berate Christianity. When will they have a forum on “Muslim Privilege”?

    The author of this article is plainly ignorant about a lot of things.

    • RE: “The author of this article is plainly ignorant about a lot of things.”

      Not ignorant, just using the time tested technique of repeating the same lie over and over until the poorly informed begin to believe it. And it may be working.

    • It’s like the claim that blacks can’t be racist, because they have redefined racism so that it includes the power to do something about it.
      To them, blacks as a group have less power than do whites, so by definition, no individual black can be racist.

      I’ve always been told that judging people based on the group they are in, rather than by their individual behavior was racist. I guess that’s another rule that doesn’t apply to liberals.

      • ‘blacks as a group have less power than do whites’

        And that is extremely situational, depending on what room you happen to be standing in.

      • I’ve often asked liberals why they believe that the daughter of a black doctor is more entitled to help than the son of a white mechanic.

  10. I suppose it was inevitable that religion would get mixed up in the climate wars, muddying the waters even further. The ecofascist klimate kookaloos see white christian evangelicals as low-hanging fruit, and an easy way to bash all Skeptics/Climate Realists as well as Republicans and conservatives, using the divide-and-conquer tactic. They also love to trot out RINOs like Sheldon Wimphouse as supposedly “brave” Republicans bucking the status quo. They are becoming more and more desperate, and vicious, as they see their ideology circling the drain.

  11. From the article: “Actually, make that the white evangelical community, more than 80% of whom voted for Donald Trump.”

    And thank God for that.

    Whites make up about 65 percent of the population of the U.S., so when whites vote for you, it makes a difference. Some people wish they could change that proportion. They wish for it real bad. But it’s not going to happen in their lifetimes. Get used to it.

    And if you add in the people who are part-white, like me (or part Cherokee, whichever way you want to look at it), then that should tell you, you are fighting a losing battle by berating whites and Christian whites.

    The Left has to have someone to hate and blame for everything and whites are it, as far as they are concerned, so I don’t expect them to change their tactics. They have a convenient whipping boy and they are taking advantage of it. But they are not going unchallenged, and they haven’t won the battle yet.

  12. “Scratch the evangelicals who are parading around the corridors of power in Washington, DC, these days and you will find many of them are backed by the Koch Brothers.”

    Standard Leftwing Propaganda. They have to have someone on the other side to demonize and turn into the Great Controlling Evil of the World. The Koch Brothers are the current version of the Left’s “Masters of the Universe”. It used to be that the Jews controlled the Universe. Now it’s the Koch Brothers.

    These Lunatics on the Left really are mentally ill. So ill they don’t even realize they are ill.

    • On the other hand, the fact that their billionaires give way, way more money to causes than do the Koch brothers is not a big deal.

      • Christian voluntary giving is, by far, the most enormous charitable force on the planet.

        Along with everything else we might give, we give far more in aid to foreign countries than the U.S. “foreign aid” budget.

        I am an employed, degreed professional, so I pay upper middle class taxes. I give more to my church than I pay in Fed taxes, year after year.

        If the academics were honest, they would study this. But the academics are ANTI-CHRISTIAN, so they are voluntarily ignorant.

        We know we are not the “favs” of the worldly people. We are told, quite directly, that we will be ridiculed, scorned, and persecuted.

        This just lets us know we are over target.

  13. From the Article: “Why should we even look at this vile discharge of delusional anti-Trump alarmist fantasy?

    An experienced political campaigner once told me that you have to challenge every lie. The bigger the lie, the greater the risk that some people will accept the lie. The implausibility of a lie can actually add to the lie’s credibility. People find it so difficult to imagine someone would make up a story so ridiculous, they seriously consider the possibility that the story is actually true.

    This kind of extreme fantasy might be the climate movement’s last gasp, but they have not lost yet. Clean Technica is not the Wall Street Journal, but people read Clean Technica and are influenced by it.

    I have read such claims before, though this is probably the most extreme manifestation I have seen so far.

    Allowing festering conspiracy theories like the above stand unchallenged, regardless of how implausible they are, can allow the infection to spread.”

    I agree completely.

    G.W. Bush *never* challenged the lies the Left told about him and they drove his approval ratings down into the low 30’s because of it.

    Trump challenges the Fake News every day and his approval rating just hit 51 percent, despite a relentless attack on his character and leadership by the Leftwing News Media. Trump didn’t hit 51 percent just because he takes on the liars, his tax cuts and other policies also put him up there.

    It’s really a little bit astonishing that Trump’s approval rating continue to climb despite the unrelenting hate spewed at him by the Left. I guess that says the American people are a little more savvy than some people give them credit for, and they can sort out the wheat from the chaff. That’s cause for hope.

    • Progressivism primarily acts by exploiting the mechanisms of bigotry. One of these is the easy, acceptable target. Trump does his best to make the bully bleed.

    • even the generation behind the millennials are more right wing than their parents and older siblings. These under 20s are waking up to the red pill quickly. It’s good to see.

    • “Trump challenges the Fake News every day and his approval rating just hit 51 percent,”

      It’s good theater! Combat.

  14. “What my vision for a good society is what we call a free and open society. Liberated people can do amazing things. They’re productive, innovative and entrepreneurial. People who are subjugated — intimidated, controlled or dependent — tend not to be.”
    CHARLES KOCH
    Warmunists really really hate the Koch brothers. Because they have money, and support candidates they see as being supportive of the US and of democracy. They are actually liberals, but in the traditional sense, which is why Progressives, who yearn for a government more along the lines of China’s despise them so much.

  15. And thus sayeth the Pagans. This is sort of like being an antelope that is being lectured by a lioness on how they should weal ankle weights so as to not mark up the range with their hooves when they run so fast.
    Most evangelicals I know practice discernment and almost always spot the pagans for what they are.

  16. As if the Koch brothers even have enough money to match even one of the green organizations? Or are the greens engaging in projection?

  17. From the article in Cleantechnica “It is time to make America great again by returning it to its roots — a pluralistic society that respects the rights of all citizens. That was the promise that set America apart in the beginning and it is America’s only hope of continuing to be a beacon of freedom in the future.”

    Did that America ever exist? Is the author not aware a history that includes slavery, segregation, the genocide of native Americans, prejudices against Irish or Mexican immigrants, or McCarthyism. The list could go on and on with almost every group, including warmists or skeptics, citing grievances.

    America may be one of the better examples of freedom but it is certainly not a shining beacon.

  18. It’s not about the science. It’s about the old Marxist Leninist evil ideology that has no soul, and has murdered millions throughout history. It’s back, and with new lies for old.

  19. Evangelicals believe in the Holy Trinity, while the author’s faith is in the not so holy trinity of Al Gore, Michael Mann and, and James Hansen.

  20. I have a rule of thumb. If any argument in the political, economic, social realms depends heavily on the characterizations of the Koch Brothers by people who’ve never met them, spoken with them, or know them at all, I discount the argument completely. It saves a lot of time and aggravation.

      • On the other hand, Soros giving millions of dollars to groups Bernie likes is a good thing.
        The Koch’s supporting groups Bernie doesn’t like is the ultimate evil and proof that conservatives should [not] be permitted to have wealth.

    • ” No one knows if either one of those old crocks attends church on a regular basis” … NO ONE!

      They are sneaky as well as evil.

  21. These are religious wars. Nothing to do with climate reality, nothing to do with energy policy, all about zealotry, thought control and the power and money money that brings .

  22. A new label is emerging. Instead of a “denier”, you will be labeled “evangelical”. I bet that Steve Hanley does not even know what the word means.

  23. White and Christian, here! Voted for our President, Donald Trump. And would do so again, today. You think his sexual exploits bother me? Sure. JFK seemed to have the same problem. And Bill Clinton. Get over it. King David? Worse. He had an affair after having the husband put in a deadly situation. That worked.

    We Christian know how the earth is destroyed. You don’t have to believe it. We do. Fossil fuels is a Godsend. Look at Texas. What a blessed state. We can have all kinds of energy produced.

    We are used to the criticism. We’re no better than our Lord. He is criticized all the time.

    My two cents.

  24. “They seem to be unmoved by the president’s constant berating of Muslims, people of color, refugees, Jews, gays, and any others…”
    —————————————————————
    What president is he talking about???

  25. “Conservative groups, funded by fossil fuel magnates, spend approximately one billion dollars every year interfering with public understanding of what is actually happening to our world,…”

    It’s okay. I speak post-modern, neo-marxist double speak. Translation: We don’t give a s$!t about reality or the condition of the world. That’s completely subjective nonsense. We want power and control, because that is the only thing that matters. If you get in our way…we will demonize you in any and every way possible. People are too stupid to see what we are doing, which is proof they need to be enslaved by our rule. You jive-ass dudes ain’t got no brains anyhow!”

  26. Another Ad Hominem attack. Only too lazy to single out a person for their vile propaganda. Might as well smear an entire group. It saves time and it increases the target / lies ratio. An important ratio that editors use to determine if a story will run and how prominently it will be displayed. Gossip sells, and the further it is from actual thinking the more it taps into raw emotion.
    When you can’t pound the facts, you pound the desk. The facts are not what was “prophesied through the holy computer models”. So time to start burning some witches. It is a good way to divide the opposition and get them fighting among themselves.

  27. Fascinating how liberals define any criticism of a protected group as invalid “berating”.
    I guess it’s easier than actually dealing with the issues, just declare that those who disagree with you are evil and can be ignored.

  28. Steve Hanley claims are 180 degrees wrong.
    ‘White evangelicals’ and a whole lot of other people are not ‘selling’ their souls.
    They simply are not ‘buying’ the valueless catastrophic anthropogenic climate claptrap!

    The rest of Steve Hanley’s screed is just political hate speech…..

    • Liberals believe in banning hate speech.
      The problem is their definition of hate speech is any speech that they disagree with.
      Anything that they say, by definition, can’t be hate.

      • Socialist democrats preach ‘tolerance’, while denouncing all who disagree with their narrow, myopic perspectives. How they reconcile the resulting cognitive dissonance baffles experts worldwide.

      • A woman in S Africa recently got 2 years for a gibsonesque “kaffar” rant.

        2 years in jail for hate speech.

        (she should have used the Sri Lanka defense … where the ethnic Kaffars are just fine with the name/word.
        “Yes your honor, I truly believed they were dirty Portuguese Sri Lankan Kaffars … I meant no offense to the South Africans that don’t like the word”).

  29. Suggest reading the comments to the article . You may remember a certain person who no longer posts here …insightful ?

  30. Deliciously, Lisa Vox of WaPo actually described the real Big Lie and fell for it precisely because it is so ‘implausible’ that a conspiracy of this size could operate. That’s exactly how it works Lisa. Oh, and it wasn’t your fictitious experienced campaigner who described how the Big Lie works, it was the Big Liar himself: Goebels.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

    Look at what Soros, Steyer and the rest of the Davos set have been up to. Read the quotes of the creator of the UN bureaucracies that run this show (Maurice Strong) and such as former UNFCC head Chistiane Figueres. The “Antitrust” is using climate fear to seize power. Your article even stupidly doubles down on the Deplorables gaff that sunk He’s election chances

    • Mods: The irony is too good and very much on topic – please let it go. The topic itself begs for this type of response.

  31. “An experienced political campaigner once told me that you have to challenge every lie. The bigger the lie, the greater the risk that some people will accept the lie. The implausibility of a lie can actually add to the lie’s credibility. People find it so difficult to imagine someone would make up a story so ridiculous, they seriously consider the possibility that the story is actually true.”

    Ignoring what people are doing is how the battle is lost.

  32. The rampant paranoia and projections of the Steve Hanley’s of this world is really something quite special to behold. His side has almost the entire lame-steam media in their pocket; most ‘public’ institutions and politicians also pay obeisance to their global-warming-alarmism brand of communism/politics; they also get the benefit of political support from numerous billionaires, from social media giants at Google, Facebook, Twitter etc; they also outspent Trump by $1Billion in the last election. In fact, they appear to have every gust of the prevailing wind blowing behind their sails.

    And yet, and yet…apparently two aged philanthropist brothers by the name of Koch are supposedly able to out-compete and out-scheme all the many other billionaires who are trying to do the same thing for their own political goals? And the Koch’s double-handedly also thwarted the best efforts of all those other big actors combined? And they supposedly accomplished this unbelievable feat together with the alleged collusion of a handful of Russian trolls (who can probably barely speak English) buying a few cheap adverts on Facebook?
    No. No they didn’t. It’s just not logical, Captain.

    These people are so desperate to find an enemy-within, someone to hate and someone to blame, someone to shame for their own failures, that they are able to suspend every last vestige of analytical common sense that they ever owned. Even if their enemies were as guilty as imagined, any sensible person would be asking how so few managed to achieve so much, and not be spending so much time and effort cursing the darkness of their own ignorance. I dunno, sometimes one’s political opponents seem so delusional that it only evokes pity and the desire to tell them where they are going so wrong. But not today. The irony is that they are the last people willing to listen to sensible advice, even from people like Roger Pielke Jr. who are, or were, on their side.

  33. As an Evangelical let me state that real Christianity is about your personal walk with God. It has nothing to do with the world. We are to be in the world but not of it. There is much more, but suffice to say it does not include Climate Change, Social Justice, or any other made-up phrase from the Left. Those words are merely attempts to insert their Paganism into the Church. The first clue we Evangelicals get about such ideas is they are so vague they can be defined many different ways. There is nothing vague about God’s take on anything.

    • Actually the Original Sin was pride that Adam and Eve could be like God. Sex was actually commanded by God prior to the fall. “Be fruitful and multiply”

      • I vote for eating the forbidden fruit as the original sin. Of course Adam and Eve could be like God; formed in his image, presumably immortal and their descendents were commanded “be ye therefore perfect” — what do you suppose happens then?

      • The serpent told Eve that the reason why God didn’t want them to eat from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, was because if she did, she would be like God.

  34. Translation: We don’t give a s$!t about reality or the condition of the world. That’s completely subjective nonsense. We want power and control, because that is the only thing that matters.
    ===================
    Old Time religion was all about controlling Sex. If we aren’t getting any, neither should you. The new religion is all about controlling free money (grants and handouts). If were aren’t getting any, neither should you.

    • Speak for yourself, here. I didn’t expect you were anti-Christian. Back when, controlling sex was a means to control disease and to see that children were cared for by both parents. There were plenty of sinners, of course. Today, STDs are rampant. I wonder why?

    • Did you have any particular old time religion in mind? There’s about 7,000 old time Christian denominations, several major Islamic denominations, quite a few flavors of Judaism; and we haven’t even started on *really* old time religions such as Buddhism, Shinto and so on.

      • According to Wikipedia, Buddhism arose during the 5 century BC. Older than Islam and Christianity, but a thousand years or more younger than Judiasm.

    • The only sex they tried to control was sex outside of marriage.
      Most societies have tried to control that, not just Christian ones.
      Please try to learn a little about real Christianity, not the cartoon versions that are popular with most atheists.

    • Ferdberple:

      You have bought a modern idea – “religion was invented to control sex – duh, duh, duh, ” produced and sold by someone. Go investigate. This is one of the most retarded posts on the internet this week.

  35. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think I had stumbled upon a blog about Jordan Peterson and post-modern new marxism.

  36. It’s the UNDERSTANDING of science that’s at issue here — an issue, given the sad state of our schools, not likely to be resolved in our time. In the meantime it’s hugely important that we ‘deniers’ take measures to disallow the ‘collectivists’ from defining the Kochs — tough assignment given the current ‘pre-sets’ of today’s media.

  37. Well, that was a hate filled screed of putrid fecal matter.

    First of all, evangelicals as a whole have a multitude of different reasons for not voting for Hillary and the Democrat party, which by the way, is what the author is really angry about.

    Democrats made it plain before the election how much they despised evangelicals. They made it plain that evangelicals were deplorable. They made it plain that evangelicals should be silenced and even jailed for their beliefs. They made it plain that they hate evangelicals.

    I know of very few evangelicals that believe in AGW, but most of them cannot give a scientific reason as to why they feel that way. Instead, many feel that way because the very people who hate them also have a love affair with Gaia and AGW.

    Then there are those evangelicals who do know the scientific principles and the historical record and reject AGW based on those things. I fall in that category.

    Finally, there are the evangelicals who see it more through a political eye and reject AGW because they are well aware that the principles of socialism and central planning are inimical to the constitution, whose amendments allow them to practice their religion.

    However, I don’t know, will never know, nor will I ever meet someone who knows the Koch brothers.

    The Democrats, also known as the Social Progressives, need someone to hate. Hatred gives them power. Hatred gives them meaning. Hatred gives them purpose.

  38. I’m an old white evangelical! I follow the “scientific method” and maintained my interest in physical geology since university in 1950. I wouldn’t know the Koch brothers if I fell over them, but I do know the difference between field work (outdoors) and sitting behind a computer monitor. My old geology prof would be having fits over modelers.

  39. Posting my little hymn for those who might not have seen:

    An Ode to the Church
    On Fighting Climate Change

    Bureaucrats and Global Planners
    Speak in agitated manners,
    Predicating great disaster:
    “Climate change we now must master!”

    Human guilt and blame beseeching:
    “Children, shame we should be teaching!
    Man has sinned by overreaching
    Fragile Gaia’s limit!”

    Beware: this bold apostasy
    Spins prophesy from vanity!
    The firmaments will never be
    Controlled by mortal hands!
    So, use this world as best you can
    To take care of your fellow man,
    And leave Earth’s destiny to God’s great plan!

    This Universe is God’s, alone
    Commanding elements He owns.
    Perplexes any man’s control,
    Yet, still provides for every soul!

    • Or, may I put it this way…

      Ode to Climate Activism
      A Limerick

      I long was a fan of Ecology,
      ‘Til it became ‘Gaia’s Theology’.
      To question the memes
      Is heretical it seems,
      And errant exceeding apology!

      Rather than Meteorology,
      These pontiffs employ Ideology.
      Political gain
      Is their pleasure – our pain,
      As they garner support by Psychology.

      Yes, the science-of-climate’s esteem
      Is built on ‘unprecedented extreme’.
      It appears the mundane
      Would be ill to their gain,
      As it’s lucrative for them to scream.

      So, it’s up to the people to learn,
      And facts, from spin to discern.
      Is the planet in harm,
      Or just false alarm?
      Which way will society turn?

  40. The difference between “ideology” and “theology” is the “ideo” and the “theo” parts. Man’s ideas versus God’s ideas.
    Now, I admit that there is way to much of Man’s ideas mixed in with “Religion”, Christian or otherwise, including the idea that Man “owes” something to the Earth or that putting the Earth First is what He had in mind. (Beginning to root out Man’s ideas and philosophies from Christianity, what God did in Christ, is what the Reformation was all about.)
    As far as “White Evangelicals” goes,
    KJV Acts 17:26a And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth …
    Man has placed a difference between themselves based on “race”. God hasn’t. John 3:16 is His offer to all equally.
    In other words, just because Al Gore, Hayhoe, (et al)’s egos and pocketbooks have been greased by the lure of fame, power and profit.
    My skepticism has not been greased by Big Oil.

    • TYPO of omission?
      “In other words, just because Al Gore, Hayhoe, (et al)’s egos and pocketbooks have been greased by the lure of fame, power and profit.
      My skepticism has not been greased by Big Oil.”
      Should be:
      “In other words, just because Al Gore, Hayhoe, (et al)’s egos and pocketbooks have been greased by the lure of fame, power and profit, doesn’t mean that those who don’t agree with them have been “greased”.
      My skepticism has not been greased by Big Oil.

  41. What do progressives seek? The goal has been the same for thousands of years, since at least the time of Plato’s Republic. They seek a godless (secular) Utopia by which humanity is transformed and attains a higher consciousness. But this is just a deity-free religion, just as depicted by Marx and his “scientific socialism. But in reality, it is a religion because it seeks to allow humans to transcend their current bounds of body, mind and spirit. It is thus “transcendent” If anyone doubts, just look up “New Man”

    New Man (utopian concept)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Man_(utopian_concept)

    It should be plain by now that because all of this effort to change society, so as to change humanity is only for the good. So, anyone who disagrees with the effort and especially anyone to works against it, is delaying this Utopia, and therefore must be destroyed or at least silenced and neutralized.

  42. ead an article on this topic published last September by Splinter entitled How Fossil Fuel Money Made Climate Change Denial the Word of God. “Conservative groups, funded by fossil fuel magnates, spend approximately one billion dollars every year interfering with public understanding of what is actually happening to our world,”

    In my guest-thread, Notes from Skull Island: Why Skeptics Aren’t Well-Funded and Well-Organized, at https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/16/notes-from-skull-island-why-skeptics-arent-well-funded-and-well-organized/ , I listed 22 things that would be happening if contrarians were in fact well-organized and well-funded, but aren’t.

  43. Well I’ve worked out by reading this and a few other posts both here, on Willis site
    https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/ and elsewhere that I am part of the most hated group in existence— Older, white, balding, overweight, male and now I can add Evangelical Christian to be the icing on the top (UK sugar tax allowing) there is just one slight hiccup in that some of my older, white, balding, overweight male, evangelical friends believe the CAGW claims so something doesn’t add up somewhere.

    James Bull

  44. “You don’t care about climate change?” is a loaded question. It assumes that climate change is a problem and bigger problem than everything else like poverty.

    And ofc there’s this “Argumentum ad Aurum”, or “follow the money” -fallacy. When the article won’t or can’t prove that climate change is indeed a serious problem, it has to resort “you are paid shills” -fallacies, which are basically ad hominem attacks. Where the person gets his or her money, doesn’t have anything to do with the argument. And yet, I have seen practically everyone use it. Alarmists and skeptics alike. Besides, don’t we all get paid by someone? Therefore we all sold our souls to someone. Reasonable people won’t and shouldn’t be convinced by nonsense like this.

    Sigh… I wish someday we will finally be able to leave the middle ages behind, and use reason and logic instead of emotions and feelings.

  45. Hypocrisy, total and typical, from the servile and not-so-bright ecofasc1st press. For every dollar used politically by the “Koch brothers” who they are stalking, 10,000 are donated to ecofasc1st loudmouths and dandified pipeline saboteurs by luvvie-billionaires, celebrities, Putin, Arab oil interests etc.

  46. Political demonologists once again resort to conflating different groups they identify as hobgoblins – in this case evangelicals and climate skeptics – in a pathetic effort to keep their prejudices in the public eye and to delude themselves into believing themselves relevant.

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