Global warming on trial and the elementary error of physics that caused the global warming scare

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

This will be a long posting, but it will not be found uninteresting.

Global warming on trial: Global warming goes on trial at 8.00 am this Wednesday, 21 March 2018, in Court 8 on the 19th floor of the Federal Building at 450 Golden Gate Avenue, San Francisco. Court 8 is the largest of the courtrooms in the Federal District Court of Northern California. They’re clearly expecting a crowd. The 8 am start, rather than the usual 10 am, is because the judge in the case is an early bird.

The judge: His Honor Judge William Haskell Alsup, who will preside over the coyly-titled “People of California” v. British Petroleum plc et al., is not to be underestimated. Judge Alsup, as the senior member of the Northern California Bench (he has been there for almost two decades), gets to pick the cases he likes the look of. He is no ordinary, custard-faced law graduate. Before he descended to the law (he wanted to help the civil rights movement), he earned a B.S. in engineering at Mississippi State University.

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Don’t mess with me: His Honor Judge Alsup flourishing a tract by his mentor, the Supreme Court justice whom he once served as Clerk.

Six years ago, in an acrimonious hearing between Oracle and Google, the two Silicon-Valley giants were arguing about nine lines of computer code, which Oracle said Google had filched for its Android cellphone system. In preparation for the case, Oracle had tested 15 million lines of Android code, and had found that just nine lines – a subroutine known as rangeCheck – had been copied keystroke for keystroke. Oracle’s case was that these nine lines of code, though representing only 0.00006% of the Android software, were a crucial element in the system. Judge Alsup did not buy that argument.

Rumors gather about great men. In hushed tones, those who talk of Judge Alsup say he taught himself the Java programming language so that he could decide the rangeCheck case. In fact, he is not familiar with Java, but he does write computer code using qBasic, which used to be bundled free with MS-DOS. On the vast desk in his book-lined office sits a 2011-vintage Dell laptop, the only one he has that will still run qBasic. He has written programs for his ham-radio hobby, for the Mastermind board game, and for his wife’s bridge game.

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The 18-year-old Bill Alsup at his ham radio console in Mississippi.

This, then, is that rarest of creatures, a tech-savvy judge. And he has taken the very rare but commendable step of ordering both parties to answer nine scientific questions about climate change in preparation for what he has called a “tutorial” on the subject next Wednesday.

Hearing of this case, and of Bill Alsup’s starring role, I wondered what line of argument might convince a scientifically literate judge that the plaintiffs, two Californian cities who want the world’s five biggest oil corporations to pay them to adapt to rising sea level, that there is no cause for alarm about manmade global warming.

Judge Alsup might well be moved to dismiss the plaintiffs’ case provided that the defendants were able to establish definitively that fears of global warming had been very greatly exaggerated.

Two propositions: If the following two propositions were demonstrated, His Honor might decide – and all but a few irredentists would be compelled to agree – that global warming was not a problem and that the scare was over.

1. It can be proven that an elementary error of physics is the sole cause of alarm about global warming – elementary because otherwise non-climatologists might not grasp it.

2. It can be proven that, owing to that elementary error, current official mid-range estimates of equilibrium sensitivity to anthropogenic activity are at least twice what they should be.

Regular readers will know that my contributions here have been infrequent in the past year. The reason is that I have had the honor to lead a team of eminent climatological researchers who have been quietly but very busily investigating how much global warming we may cause, known as the “equilibrium-sensitivity” question.

We can now prove both points itemized above, and we have gone to more than customary lengths to confirm by multiple empirical methods what we originally demonstrated by a theoretical method. The half-dozen methods all cohere in the same ballpark.

Three days before His Honor posted up his list of questions on climate science, my team had submitted a paper on our result to a leading climatological journal (by convention, I am bound not to say which until publication).

The judge’s question: When I saw His Honor’s eighth question, “What are the main sources of heat that account for the incremental rise in temperature on Earth?”, I contacted my eight co-authors, who all agreed to submit an amicus curiae or “friend-of-the-court” brief.

Our reply: Our amicus brief, lodged for us by a good friend of the ever-valuable Heartland Institute, concludes with a respectful recommendation that the court should reject the plaintiffs’ case and that it should also order the oil corporations to meet their own costs in the cause because their me-too public statements to the effect that global warming is a “problem” that requires to be addressed are based on the same elementary error as the plaintiffs’ case.

In effect, the oil corporations have invited legal actions such as this, wherefore they should pay the cost of their folly in accordance with the ancient legal principle volenti non fit injuria – if you stick your chin out and invite someone to hit it, don’t blub if someone hits it.

The judge has the right to accept or reject the brief, so we accompanied our brief with the usual short application requesting the court to accept it for filing. Since the rules of court require the brief to be lodged as an exhibit to the application, the brief stands part of the court papers in any event, has been sent to all parties, and is now publicly available on PACER, the Federal judiciary’s public-access database.

Therefore, I am at last free to reveal what we have discovered. There is indeed an elementary error of physics right at the heart of the models’ calculations of equilibrium sensitivity. After correcting that error, and on the generous assumption that official climatology has made no error other than that which we have exposed, global warming will not be 3.3 ± 1.2 K: it will be only 1.2 ± 0.15 K. We say we can prove it.

The proof: I shall now outline our proof. Let us begin with the abstract of the underlying paper. It is just 70 words long, for the error (though it has taken me a dozen years to run it to earth) really is stupendously elementary:

Abstract: In a dynamical system, even an unamplified input signal induces a response to any feedback. Hitherto, however, the large feedback response to emission temperature has been misattributed to warming from the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases. After correction, the theoretically-derived pre-industrial feedback fraction is demonstrated to cohere with the empirically-derived industrial-era value an order of magnitude below previous estimates, mandating reduction of projected Charney sensitivity from clip_image006 to clip_image008.

Equations: To understand the argument that follows, we shall need three equations.

The zero-dimensional-model equation (1) says that equilibrium sensitivity or final warming ΔTeq is the ratio of reference sensitivity or initial warming ΔTref to (1 – f ), where f is the feedback fraction, i.e., the fraction of ΔTeq represented by the feedback response ΔT(ref) to ΔTref. The entire difference between reference and equilibrium sensitivity is accounted for by the feedback response ΔT(ref) (the bracketed subscript indicates a feedback response).

ΔTeq = ΔTref / (1 – f ). (1)

The zero-dimensional model is not explicitly used in general-circulation models. However, it is the simplest expression of the difference between reference sensitivity before accounting for feedback and equilibrium sensitivity after accounting for feedback. Eq. (1), a simplified form of the feedback-amplification equation that originated in electronic network analysis, is of general application when deriving the feedback responses in all dynamical systems upon which feedbacks bear. The models must necessarily reflect it.

Eq. (1) is used diagnostically not only to derive equilibrium sensitivity (i.e. final warming) from official inputs but also to derive the equilibrium sensitivity that the models would be expected to predict if the inputs (such as the feedback fraction f ) were varied. We conducted a careful calibration exercise to confirm that the official reference sensitivity and the official interval of the feedback fraction, when input to Eq. (1), indeed yield the official interval of equilibrium sensitivity.

The feedback-fraction equation (2): If the reference sensitivity ΔTref and the equilibrium sensitivity ΔTeq are specified, the feedback fraction f is found by rearranging (1) as (2):

f = 1 – ΔTref / ΔTeq. (2)

The reference-sensitivity equation (3): Reference sensitivity ΔTref is the product of a radiative forcing ΔQ0, in Watts per square meter, and the Planck reference-sensitivity parameter λ0, in Kelvin per Watt per square meter.

ΔTref = λ0 ΔQ0. (3)

The Planck parameter λ0 is currently estimated at about 0.3125, or 3.2–1 K W–1 m2 (Soden & Held 2006; Bony 2006, Appendix A; IPCC 2007, p. 631 fn.). The CO2 radiative forcing ΔQ0 is 3.5 W m–2 (Andrews 2012). Therefore, from Eq. (3), reference sensitivity ΔTref to doubled CO2 concentration is about 1.1 K.

The “natural greenhouse effect” is not 32 K: The difference of 32 K between natural temperature TN (= 287.6 K) in 1850 and emission temperature TE (= 255.4 K) without greenhouse gases or temperature feedbacks was hitherto imagined to comprise 8 K (25%) base warming ΔTB directly forced by the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases and a 24 K (75%) feedback response ΔT(B) to ΔTB, implying a pre-industrial feedback fraction f ≈ 24 / 32 = 0.75 (Lacis et al., 2010).

Similarly, the CMIP3/5 models’ mid-range reference sensitivity ΔTS (= 3.5 x 0.3125 = 1.1 K) and Charney sensitivity ΔT (= 3.3 K) (Charney sensitivity is equilibrium sensitivity to doubled CO2), imply a feedback fraction f = 1 – 1.1 / 3.3 = 0.67 (Eq. 2) in the industrial era.

The error: However, climatologists had made the grave error of not realizing that emission temperature TE (= 255 K) itself induces a substantial feedback. To correct that long-standing error, we illustratively assumed that the feedback fractions f in response to TE and to ΔTB were identical. Then we derived f simply by replacing the delta values ΔTref, ΔTeq in (2) with the underlying entire quantities Tref, Teq, setting Tref = TE + ΔTB, and Teq = TN (Eq. 4),

f = 1 –Tref / Teq = 1 – (TE + ΔTB) / TN

= 1 – (255.4 + 8) / 287.6 = 0.08. (4)

Contrast this true pre-industrial value f = 0.08 with the CMIP5 models’ current mid-range estimate f = 1 – 1.1 / 3.3 = 0.67 (Eq. 2), and with the f = 0.75 applied by Lacis et al. (2010) not only to the 32 K “entire natural greenhouse effect” but also to “current climate”.

Verification: We took no small trouble to verify by multiple empirical methods the result derived by the theoretical method in Eq. (4).

Test 1: IPCC’s best estimate (IPCC, 2013, fig. SPM.5) is that some 2.29 W m–2 of net anthropogenic forcing arose in the industrial era to 2011. The product of that value and the Planck parameter is the 0.72 K reference warming (Eq. 3).

However, 0.76 K warming was observed (taken as the linear trend on the HadCRUT4 monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies, 1850-2011).

Therefore, the industrial-era feedback fraction f is equal to 1 – 0.72 / 0.76. or 0.05 (Eq. 2). That is close to the pre-industrial value f = 0.08: but it is an order of magnitude (i.e., approximately tenfold) below the models’ 0.67 or Lacis’ 0.75.

There is little change that some feedbacks had not fully acted. The feedbacks listed in IPCC (2013, p. 818, table 9.5) as being relevant to the derivation of equilibrium sensitivity are described by IPCC (2013, p. 128, Fig. 1.2) as having the following durations: Water vapor and lapse-rate feedback hours; Cloud feedback days; Surface albedo feedback years.

The new headline Charney sensitivity: Thus, Charney sensitivity is not 1.1 / (1 – 0.67) = 3.3 K (Eq. 1), the CMIP5 models’ imagined mid-range estimate (Andrews 2012). Instead, whether f = 0.05 or 0.08, Charney sensitivity ΔTeq = 1.1 / (1 – f ) is 1.2 K (Eq. 1). That new headline value is far too small to worry about.

Test 2: We sourced mainstream estimates of net anthropogenic forcing over ten different periods in the industrial era, converting each to reference sensitivity using Eq. (3) and then finding the feedback fraction f for each period using Eq. (2).

The mean of the ten values of f was 0.12, somewhat higher than the value 0.05 based on IPCC’s mid-range estimate of 2.29 W m–2 net anthropogenic forcing in the industrial era. The difference was driven by three high-end outliers in our table of ten results. Be that as it may, Charney sensitivity for f = 0.12 is only 1.25 K.

Test 3: We checked how much global warming had occurred since 1950, when IPCC says our influence on climate became detectable. The CMIP5 mid-range prediction of Charney sensitivity, at 3.3 K, is about equal to the original mid-range prediction of 21st-century global warming derivable from IPCC (1990, p. xiv), where 1.8 K warming compared with the pre-industrial era [equivalent to 1.35 K warming compared with 1990] is predicted for the 40-year period 1991-2030, giving a centennial warming rate of 1.35 / (40 / 100) = 3.3 K.

This coincidence of values allowed us to compare the 1.2 K Charney sensitivity derived from f on [0.05, 0.12] in Eq. (4) with the least-squares linear-regression trend on the HadCRUT4 monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies over the 68 years 1950-2017. Sure enough, the centennial-equivalent warming was 1.2 K/century:

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The centennial-equivalent warming rate from 1950-2017 was 1.2 K/century

Test 4: We verified that the centennial-equivalent warming rate in the first 17 years (one-sixth) of the 21st century was not significantly greater than the rate since 1950. We averaged the monthly global mean surface and lower-troposphere temperature anomalies from the HadCRUT4 terrestrial and UAH satellite datasets and derived the least-squares linear-regression trend (the bright blue line on the graph below).

The satellite data were included because they cover a five-mile-high slab of the atmosphere immediately above the surface, and have a coverage greater than the terrestrial measurements. The trend was found to be clip_image012, equivalent to clip_image014/century:

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Test 5: To confirm that we had understood feedback theory correctly, one of my distinguished co-authors, a hands-on electronics engineer, heard of our result and built a test rig in which we were able to specify the input signal (i.e., emission temperature TE) as a voltage, and also the direct-gain factor μ to allow for direct natural or anthropogenic forcings, and the feedback fraction β (we were using the more precise form of Eq. 1 that is usual in electronic network analysis). Then it was a simple matter directly to measure the output signal (i.e. equilibrium sensitivity ΔTeq).

The most crucial of the many experiments we ran on this rig was to set μ to unity, implying no greenhouse forcing at all. We set the feedback fraction β to a non-zero value and then verified that the output signal exceeded the input signal by the expected margin. Not at all to our surprise, it did. This experiment proved that emission temperature, on its own, induced a feedback response that climatology had hitherto overlooked.

This is where the elementary error made by climatologists for half a century has had its devastating effect. Look again at Eq. (1). The input signal is altogether absent. Although it is acceptable to use Eq. (1) to derive equilibrium sensitivities from reference sensitivities, the mistake made by the modelers was to assume, as Lacis et al. (2010) and many others had assumed, that the entire difference of 32 K between the natural temperature TN in 1850 and the emission temperature TE was accounted for by the natural greenhouse effect, comprising a direct greenhouse warming ΔTB = 8 K and a very large feedback reponse ΔT(B) = 24 K to ΔTB.

However, in truth – this is the crucial point – the emission temperature TE (= 255 K), even in the absence of any greenhouse gases, induces a large feedback response ΔTE. This feedback response to the input signal is entirely uncontroversial in electronic network analysis and in control theory generally, but we have not been able to find any acknowledgement in climatology that it exists.

Just as Lacis (2010) did, the modelers assumed that the industrial-era feedback fraction must be every bit as large as the pre-industrial feedback fraction that they had erroneously inflated by adding the large feedback response induced by emission temperature to the small feedback response induced by the presence of the naturally-occurring greenhouse gases.

It was that assumption that led the modelers to assume that there must be some very strongly positive feedbacks, chief among which was the water-vapor feedback. However, although the Clausius-Clapeyron relation indicates that the space occupied by the atmosphere can carry near-exponentially more water vapor as it warms, there is nothing to say that it must.

Suppose there were a water-vapor feedback anything like as large as that which the models have assumed (and they have assumed a very large feedback only because they are trying to explain the large but fictitious feedback fraction consequent upon their erroneous assumption that emission temperature of 255 K somehow induces no feedback response at all, while the next 8 K of warming magically induces a 24 K feedback response). In that event, atmospheric dynamics requires that there must be a tropical mid-troposphere “hot spot” [I had the honor to name it], where the warming rate should be twice or thrice that at the tropical surface. However, the “hot spot” is not observed in reality (see below), except in one suspect dataset that Dr Fred Singer scrutinized some years ago and determined to be defective.

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Models predict the tropical mid-troposphere “hot spot” (top, IPCC 2007, citing Santer 2003; above left, Lee et al. 2008; above right, Karl et al., 2006).

However, the “hot spot” is not observed in reality (see below). Our result shows why not. The “hot spot” is an artefact of the modelers’ error in misallocating the substantial feedback response induced by emission temperature by adding it to the very small feedback response induced by the naturally-occurring greenhouse gases.

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The model-predicted “hot spot” is not observed in reality (Karl et al. 2006).

Test 6: Even after we had built and operated our own test rig – as far as we know, this is the first time anyone has tried to test climatological feedback theory empirically rather than simply modeling it – we were not satisfied that anything other than tests performed under rigorous conditions at a government laboratory would be found widely acceptable.

Accordingly, based on the results of our in-house test rig, we drew up a more sophisticated specification for a new rig, together with four test groups comprising 23 sets of three quantities – the input signal, the direct-gain factor and the feedback fraction. Armed with the specification, I commissioned a government laboratory to carry out the experiments.

However, a problem at once arose – indeed, it was a problem with which our own engineer had wrestled. So very small were the feedback responses predicted by long-established control theory that even the presence of the operator in the same room as the test rig tended to bias the results.

Accordingly, I worked for months with a patient and amiable scientist at the government laboratory. Eventually, by somewhat altering the initial-state values specified for the 23 tests, I was able to give the scientist values that would yield results to the required precision but without loss of experimental integrity.

In due course the laboratory reported, and the results of all 23 tests – to within one-tenth of a Kelvin – were exactly as we had been able to predict theoretically. Again, the most important results were for the group of tests in which the direct-gain factor was set to unity, so that we could reassure ourselves that control theory was correct in predicting that, in the presence of a non-zero feedback fraction, even an unamplified input signal would induce a feedback response that would either amplify or attenuate it.

Another snag arose. When I had originally approached the laboratory, I had not mentioned that the research had anything to do with climate change, because all I wanted to do was to establish that we had understood the relevant control theory correctly.

When the laboratory reported, I sent it a copy of our draft paper, in which the lab results were mentioned. The laboratory panicked and said we were not allowed to use its report.

However, I had written into the contract a term to the effect that we intended to include the laboratory’s results, and a discussion of them, in an academic paper. A compromise was reached, by which we are free to include the laboratory’s results in our paper, as long as we do not mention either the name of the laboratory or the name of the scientist there who built and ran the high-specification rig for us.

The laboratory also kindly confirmed that we had represented its results fairly in our paper and had drawn justifiable conclusions from them. Furthermore, much to our pleasure, it promoted the scientist who had assisted us. He wrote us a charming letter to say that he had not allowed, and would not allow, politics to intrude into the work he had carried out for us.

With these results from a national laboratory (we cannot even mention which country it was in) we were at last content that we had established our conclusion with sufficient rigor.

The true picture: How should the 32 K difference between emission temperature and natural temperature be apportioned? Approximately 23.4 K of the 32 K is the feedback response to emission temperature; 8 K is the directly-forced warming from the presence of the natural greenhouse gases; and just 0.7 K is feedback response to that 8 K warming (panel b):

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(a) Erroneous apportionment of the 32 K difference between natural temperature in 1850 and emission temperature in the absence of any greenhouse gases, given in Lacis et al. (2010).

(b) Corrected apportionment of the 32 K, allowing for the feedback response (blue) to emission temperature; the directly-forced warming from the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases (yellow); and the feedback response to that greenhouse warming (red).

Looking at it the other way about, if the feedback fraction were really as large as the 0.75 imagined by Lacis et al. (2010), then the Earth’s emission temperature of 255.4 K would induce a feedback response of 766.2 K, and the 8 K greenhouse warming would induce a feedback response of 24 K, so that the pre-industrial or natural temperature in 1850 would be 255.4 + 766.2 + 8 + 24 ≈ 1054 K, about three and a half times the true value of 287.6 K.

We also considered whether non-linearities in individual feedbacks might vitiate our result. However, to obtain even the 1.5 K minimum Charney sensitivity predicted by IPCC one would need to multiply at least fivefold the empirically-derived industrial-era feefdback fraction f = 0.05.

The reason why even a very large nonlinearity in the feedback sum and consequently in the feedback fraction makes little difference to equilibrium sensitivities is that the curve of equilibrium sensitivities in the presence of various feedback factors is a rectangular hyperbola (see below). Our result shows that the sensitivity calculation is not done, as now, rather close to the singularity at f = 1 (note in passing that for f > 1 Eq. (1) predicts cooling); instead, it is done at the left-hand end of the curve, where the sensitivity increases very slowly with f:

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The rectangular-hyperbolic curve of Charney sensitivities in response to feedback fractions f, showing current predictions compared with the corrected result.

The outcome of the case: What will His Honor make of all this? My guess is that he will allow our amicus brief to be filed. With his engineering background, he will have no difficulty in understanding why we say that the notion of catastrophic rather than moderate global warming is rooted in the elementary physical error we have discovered.

Therefore, we hope His Honor will ask all parties to provide formal responses to our brief. On any view, it plainly raises a serious question about whether global warming matters at all – a question that strikes right to the heart not only of the case before him but of numerous other such cases now arising in several jurisdictions – and showing some evidence of careful co-ordination.

The parties will not be able to dismiss our result lightly. To refute it, they would have to show that our pre-industrial feedback fraction f = 0.08, obtained by theoretical means rooted in mainstream control theory, is incorrect; that our industrial-era value f = 0.05, obtained empirically from IPCC’s estimate of the net anthropogenic forcing to date and from the HadCRUT4 temperature record, is also incorrect; that our campaign of ten empirical calculations giving a mean feedback fraction f = 0.12, is incorrect; that the rate of observed warming over the past 68 years is either incorrect or irrelevant; that the rate of observed warming this century to date is also either incorrect or irrelevant; that the results from our test rig are inapplicable; that the results from a government laboratory are likewise inapplicable; and, above all, that it is justifiable to assume that control theory is wrong and that, per impossibile. 255.4 K of emission temperature generates no feedback at all, while the next 8 K of warming suddenly causes 24 K of feedback, as if by magic.

We do not believe in magic.

Conclusion: The anthropogenic global warming we can now expect will be small, slow, harmless, and even net-beneficial. It is only going to be about 1.2 K this century, or 1.2 K per CO2 doubling. If the parties are not able to demonstrate that we are wrong, and if His Honor accepts that we have proven the result set out publicly and in detail here for the first time, then the global warming scare was indeed based on a strikingly elementary error of physics.

The avowedly alarmist position too hastily adopted by governments and international bureaucratic entities has caused the most egregious misallocation of resources in history.

Ladies and gentlemen, we call time on a 50-year-old scam, in which a small number of corrupt and politicized scientists, paid for by scientifically-illiterate governments panicked by questionable lobby-groups funded by dubious billionaires and foreign governments intent on doing down the West, and egged on by the inept and increasingly totalitarian news media, have conspired to perpetrate a single falsehood: that the science was settled.

Well, it wasn’t.

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Amber
March 19, 2018 8:21 pm

California Judge ? Case closed .
When did the producers of pork and beans know their product
produced methane causing the earth to have a fever ?
If the government of California believed fossil fuels were of such great concern
why are they still legal ? Why is added Co2 being pumped into greenhouses ?
Oh yeah it helps plants grow .
What’s next burger joints being sued for not telling shareholders
they sell a product that leads to portly people ?
How about those candy makers not telling shareholders that their products
cause tooth decay ?
Climate models have a long history of grossly over estimating and inaccurately forecasting
temperature trends . That should really be no surprise because they are incomplete .
Natural variables , the dominant climate drivers ,are not even understood as a base line .
Climate models carving out CO2 fed an alarmist agenda which used the forecasts before they could be proven against actual data . This in itself is a breach of the basic scientific model .

Reply to  Amber
March 20, 2018 6:43 am

One should never abandon the attempt to speak the truth merely because one assumes that one’s interlocutor – in the present instance a judge who clerked for a totalitarian supreme-court justice, was appointed by Clinton, sits in the Sunstroke State and is known for his radical opinions – will not be open to a rational argument. Let us at least give him the chance to hear a rational argument. He may perhaps do what is right.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:12 am

“let us at least give him the chance to hear a rational argument”
90% of success is showing up.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:45 am

Yes, have faith in humanity, and always create opportunities for people to excel.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 22, 2018 1:36 pm

I have little confidence
in a California judge,
since some members of
my family moved to California,
and gradually got pretty strange
ideas in their heads …
… but the best thing
about presenting a case,
even if you lose,
is that you find out where
the weak points were,
and do a better job
of communicating
the next time.

March 19, 2018 8:29 pm

Christopher Monckton of Brenchley, thank you for your essay, and for the responses to posted comments.

Robin
March 19, 2018 8:48 pm

Good luck to you sir and many thanks for all you and your colleagues have done. Good to have you back on this site. I shall follow events from down under.

Reply to  Robin
March 20, 2018 6:44 am

Many thanks to Messrs Marler and Robin for your kind words. It will be most interesting to see how events unfold.

JPGuthrie
March 19, 2018 9:33 pm

Sadly, the issue is not about science. It doesn’t matter what the facts are. Judge Alsup is an political appointee, expressly chosen for his political philosophy. He will rule according to that philosophy. The underlying motives of the climate change movement are entirely economic. Political ideology is not a principle, except to people like judge Alsup, but a tool, wielded by the powers-that-be for their economic gain. Tools do not think, they do what they are required to do when they are required to do so.
Even if judge Alsup were to look at the scientific merits of the arguments, in them, he would only see what he wanted to see. The climate change cause is important to those who share his ideology, and he will support that cause.

Reply to  JPGuthrie
March 20, 2018 4:57 pm

Mr Guthrie is yet another who counsels despair. Well, I choose to speak the truth. If it be the truth, and if I have the courage to speak it, however unfashionable it may be, the truth will be heard.

Reply to  JPGuthrie
March 22, 2018 1:42 pm

The liars, cheaters and scoundrels
at NASA and NOAA
only claim +1 degree C.
of warming since 1880
— I bet the judge doesn’t know that.
And would the just have any idea
of how much wild guess infilling is in the
global average temperature,
or that at least one-third,
and perhaps one-half,
of the warming since 1880
was from “adjustments”
to the raw data
made just in the past
two decades ?

Another Scott
March 19, 2018 9:48 pm

“global warming will not be 3.3 ± 1.2 K: it will be only 1.2 ± 0.15 K. We say we can prove it.” Christopher Monckton is a warmer. Who knew. /sarc

Reply to  Another Scott
March 20, 2018 6:45 am

Ah, but read the head posting, where I make it clear that our result holds only on the generous assumption that official climatology has made no error other than that which we have identified.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Another Scott
March 20, 2018 9:31 am

“Christopher Monckton is a warmer. ”
a lukewarmer.

Reply to  Roger Knights
March 20, 2018 4:55 pm

I am neither a warmer nor a cooler but, in al-Haytham’s words, a “seeker after truth”.

Christopher D Hoff
March 19, 2018 11:53 pm

Do the defendant companies have foundations that finance the green lobby? If they do, then all the science in the world won’t matter, THEY WANT TO LOSE. They will make more money from carbon credit trading and energy prices jumped up by taxpayer subsidized alternative energy scams than if they win. The cap n’ trade fraud needs court victories to gain the pretense of legitimacy when everybody knows it’s a lie. Don’t be surprised if the court says it fully agrees with the contents of the amicas filing while it makes the complete opposite ruling. Later on the same judge will issue warrants for the arrest of climate skeptics who helped prepare this very same amicus brief they will use to make climate skepticism a crime.

Warren Blair
Reply to  Christopher D Hoff
March 20, 2018 1:16 am

This is a set up.
Everyone is aligned with the carbon cartel (narco Mexico has nothing on this mob) . . .
The Judge (a Democrat)
The plaintiff (Democrats).
The plaintiff’s lawyers (Democrats).
The plaintiff’s handlers (Black Rock etc; Democrats.).
The defendant (all senior oil execs are pro carbon-trading/carbon tax).
The defendant’s lawyers (full of Democrats).
The Judge has already written his summation and submitted it to Larry Fink for his authorisation.
Anyone who thinks Will Alsup is about to save the sceptics is mad.
Trump alone can keep the lid on the dark forces of the carbon cartel.
But not forever unfortunately . . .

sailboarder
Reply to  Warren Blair
March 20, 2018 3:45 am

All the judge has to do is to assess that the science is not settled and the court case is dead ended. No need to “prove” anything.

Reply to  Warren Blair
March 20, 2018 4:54 pm

It is astonishing how many commenters here, such as Mr Blair, have effectively given up the fight on the ground that the truth simply cannot win. I was given a moral education. Therefore, I was taught that the truth prevails more quickly if someone has the courage to speak it. In the end, those who speak the truth sincerely are heard, whether the forces of darkness like it or not. I am not temperamentally inclined simply to give up and give in.

Christopher D Hoff
Reply to  Warren Blair
March 20, 2018 5:40 pm

I’ve actually listened to a law professor describe how he wrote a report on family law reform at the Australian governments request. The government declared they would reform family law based upon the recommendations of his report. They then proceeded to enact every radical feminist position he had spoken out against in his report. When he complained he was hounded out of his position but found a new one at a different school. The progressive ideologues have turned the courts, the mainstream media and education system into a monster straight out of 1984. People don’t realize it unless they run afoul of it. They will quite literally use this amicus brief as citation to do the exact opposite of what it states. They’ve been doing this with Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault law for years.
Look at what happened to Tim Hunt over a mild joke he made about how he met is wife.

Reply to  Warren Blair
March 22, 2018 7:16 pm

I am going to ask the moderators to remove Mr Bradley’s comment about HIV, which on any view has nothing to do with climate science and is an unwarrantable personal attack. The research on our invention continues, but we are not allowed to make the medication generally available until decades of testing have been completed.
(It has been snipped) MOD

marty
March 20, 2018 12:53 am

Oh Lord Moncton, you have proven that the models are based on a wrong physical assumption. The trial is not about whether the models are right, but about whether the oil companies knew about the “climate catastrophe”, when that was and what they did not tell. Therefore, the outcome of this process is uncertain. In court and on the high seas, you are in God’s hands!

angech
March 20, 2018 1:10 am

A little difficult to interpret this article.
Always wary at a simple answer that has been a puzzle for many years.
Like finding a 50 dollar note on a hedge.
So input temp 255 degrees
GHG 33 degrees Current 288 degrees of which 33 [32] roughly is the current augmentation through mainly water vapour and a tiny effect from CO2
Now 8 degrees account for by?
and 24 degrees by ?
How does the CO2 outweigh the H2O effect so much?
I know water vapour has an immense negative albedo effect along with its stronger positive GHG effect.
All the GHG’S cause energy IR back radiation so is this the source of the extra energy that needs to be considered when talking about the ECS?
Where Nick Stokes is wrong in saying that a flat temp cannot be an input source??
If so I can see that most of the current temperature is due to prior feedbacks independent of CO2.

Arrhenius predicted a rise in CO2 effects with doublings of CO2, some mistake surely as if we go back 12 doublings at 3 C we would be freezing below solar input and still have buckets of CO2 in the air counting by molecules.

sailboarder
Reply to  angech
March 20, 2018 3:42 am

12 doublings at 3 C ??? The earth with no CO2 and just water vapor would be almost the same as now, just no life.
A flat temperature (Avg insolation) is what all the models use don’t they? Nick is wrong.

Warren Blair
March 20, 2018 1:39 am

One scenario that would Trump the cartel revolves around the future of Phyllis Hamilton and beyond not impossibly to Sidney Thomas; think about it . . .

Vali
March 20, 2018 1:39 am

[Snip. Personal attacks are unmerited and prohibited by site policy. If you have something to say regarding the technicalities of CM’s science, please feel free to do so. -mod]

sailboarder
Reply to  Vali
March 20, 2018 3:35 am

So, other than that, what do you find wrong with his post?

Anto
Reply to  Vali
March 20, 2018 5:06 am

Vali,
Easy to make an accusation without backing it up. So, come on – what falsifications are you talking about? I can easily say that, considering Vali has been convicted on 10 counts of fraud and grand larceny, his opinion is not worth listening to, but unless I present some form of backing for it, then I – like you, now – would be nothing more than a troll and a charlatan.

Reply to  Vali
March 20, 2018 6:48 am

I am going to ask the moderators to remove the posting from “Vali” on the ground that it falls foul of this site’s policy of not attacking ad-hominem if one chooses to be furtively anonymous.
[I concur. The post has been snipped and an accompanying explanation left behind. -mod]

HotScot
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 12:40 pm

Chris
please stop using the term “furtively anonymous” which you use both aggressively and defensively. Whilst you enjoy the limelight, many contributors here don’t. That’s not wrong and is condoned by this sites policies.
You have directed the comment at me in the past, despite being a supporter of yours. I’m Happy to meet in person when my identity will be revealed to you alone, but not to the world at large, which, I believe, demonstrates trust in your integrity. It wouldn’t be worth your while as I’m a layman and contribute little here, but I do expect someone as educated and articulate as you to rise above the temptation of issuing barbed comments, even to people who are rude about you.
Maintaining one’s anonymity does not make one furtive.
Thanks,
HotScot.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 4:51 pm

In response to “HotScot”, I generally reserve the term “furtively anonymous” for those who hide behind that anonymity and then make often deeply offensive personal, ad-hominem attacks on those few of us who have the courage to reveal who we are.
Whether “HotScot” likes it or not, the policy of this site is not to allow such ad-hom sniping from people who do not declare exactly who they are. It was I who had that policy introduced. As you will see, the site’s controllers snipped the comment from the furtively pseudonymous “Vali” because it contributed absolutely nothing to the scientific discussion and was gratuitously offensive.
Those who wish to be furtively anonymous and to make hate-speech attacks on those of us who are not afraid to declare who we are will just have to go elsewhere. They are no longer welcome here.
I am glad to say that only one or two such creatures have attempted to infest this website with their venom. I have given them short shrift, and will continue to do so. If they don’t like the heat, they can get out of the kitchen.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 5:33 pm

CMoB: “As you will see, the site’s controllers snipped the comment from the furtively pseudonymous “Vali” because it contributed absolutely nothing to the scientific discussion and was gratuitously offensive.
Those who wish to be furtively anonymous and to make hate-speech attacks on those of us who are not afraid to declare who we are will just have to go elsewhere. They are no longer welcome here.”
I doubt you mean to be offensive but I find the use of ‘newspeak’ from the ghastly lexicon of the extreme left to be pretty offensive. “Hate-speech” is an invention of those totalitarians devoted to shutting down free speech and anyone of integrity utterly rejects the vile concept. It does nothing for our cause to use their hideous Orc language even in defense of ourselves.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 22, 2018 8:17 pm

In response to Cephus, I am not coy about deploying hate-speakers’ language against them. And I am most grateful that “Vali’s” comment was deleted. It is one of only a handful of comments that have had to be deleted in this long thread, which has been managed beautifully by our kind host and his excellent staff, to all of whom my heartfelt thanks.

Ava Plaint
March 20, 2018 2:00 am

May we expect NASA GISS to just shut up shop and all go home now that there’s nothing left to fiddle for?

Reply to  Ava Plaint
March 25, 2018 10:42 am

In reply to Ava Plaint, there will of course be enormous resistance to the idea that the entire global-warming panic arose from nothing more than an elementary error of physics. NASA and suchlike bodies have made very large sums from terrified governments, and they don’t want the gravy-train to hit the buffers. So they will at first wriggle as some of the commenters here have done. However, if we are right the word will slowly spread, the penny will gradually drop and eventually governments will stop throwing taxpayers’ money at this non-problem.

Me
March 20, 2018 2:11 am

How feasible would it be to create a physical model of the Earth, without GHG, in a vacuum, with a heat lamp as the sun, and measure the temp at the surface to see if a feedback pertains?

Reply to  Me
March 20, 2018 6:50 am

In response to “Me”, the simplest way to model a feedback amplifier system is to build an electronic simulacrum. That is what we did, not once but twice. The feedback response to emission temperature is shown by both test rigs to be a real response, and – what is more – a response of precisely the value that theory suggests.

Me
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 7:21 am

I see, but the objection on here, from the like of Nick Stokes, seems to be that this feedback mechanism does not apply to the Earth’s base temperature, would a physical model be possible to confirm the mechanism?

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 8:50 am

Our physical model, in the shape of an electronic circuit, shows quite clearly that the emission temperature must induce a feedback response in a system – such as the climate – where feedbacks exist. What is more, it induces precisely the predicted feedback response. However much climatologists may at first wriggle when confronted with this news, in the end they will be faced with one strikingly simple question: How can the temperature feedbacks in the climate tell the difference between that part of the prevailing temperature that is accounted for by the emission temperature, on the one hand, and that part that is accounted for by the directly-forced warming from greenhouse gases?

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 12:42 pm

Monckton of Brenchley March 20, 2018 at 6:50 am
In response to “Me”, the simplest way to model a feedback amplifier system is to build an electronic simulacrum. That is what we did, not once but twice. The feedback response to emission temperature is shown by both test rigs to be a real response, and – what is more – a response of precisely the value that theory suggests.

In your electronic circuit you would need both a power supply input and a signal input, in which case what parameter does your power supply represent?
In the case of an Op-amp circuit logically the power supply is the average temperature of the surface and the signal would be the fluctuation of the temperature. This addresses Nick’s issue with your use of absolute temperature in the equation.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 4:45 pm

In response to Phil., in the climate, the output signal is the ratio of the product of the input signal and the direct-gain factor divided by (1 – the product of the direct-gain factor and the feedback fraction). In the climate, the input signal is emission temperature. But climatology does not use this precise form of the zero-dimensional-model. Therefore, climatologists had not realized that the emission temperature itself induces a large feedback response. One cannot assume that the 255 K emission temperature induces no feedback at all and yet that a mere 8 K of greenhouse warming induces a 24 K feedback response. We modeled this in the most straightforward possible way, by specifying the input signal, the direct-gain factor to allow for the greenhouse-gas warming, and the feedback fraction. Then we simply measured the output signal. We did this 23 times with different sets of inputs and outputs. Then the government laboratory did it all again and came up with the same numbers as we did.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 5:36 am

Monckton of Brenchley March 20, 2018 at 4:45 pm
In response to Phil., in the climate, the output signal is the ratio of the product of the input signal and the direct-gain factor divided by (1 – the product of the direct-gain factor and the feedback fraction). In the climate, the input signal is emission temperature.

That does not address my question which was: ” what parameter does your power supply represent?”
So have another try.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 22, 2018 8:15 pm

In answer to “Phil.”, the elements in the test circuits, including the power supply, were arranged to as to work together to allow specified inputs at three points: the input signal at the input node; the direct-gain factor in the gain block between the input and output nodes, and the feedback fraction in the feedback block on the return loop from the output to the input node. Then, once the three inputs had been set, it was possible simply to measure the output signal.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 25, 2018 10:40 am

The circuits were designed so that the power supply voltage did not vary. By means of variable resistances, the input signal, direct-gain factor and feedback fraction could be individually set to values independent of the supply voltage. Our engineer had no difficulty in designing a suitable circuit, and the government scientist we then engaged constructed a circuit that was very similar.

Watt Chernutts
March 20, 2018 2:20 am

What if the Judge, despite all of MoB’s best efforts remains bamboozled by all the calculations and just goes with the alleged consensus? One hopes the defendants are also suitably equipped to expose that charade for what it is.

Reply to  Watt Chernutts
March 20, 2018 4:38 pm

The judge will at least have been given the truth. He will have to be careful not to reject it out of hand. He has so far insisted that amici curiae from the skeptical side of the case should disclose their sources of funding to him. Once he realizes that we are not being paid to put forward our arguments, and that the arguments are comprehensible without expert knowledge, he will become intrigued and will challenge the parties in the case to respond.

Michael Gronemeyer
March 20, 2018 4:24 am

It may be the case that a first feedback response to the input signal of 255 K only appears after the temperature allows the presence of some atmospheric water vapour ?

Reply to  Michael Gronemeyer
March 20, 2018 6:58 am

Mr Gronemeyer raises a most interesting question, which we considered very carefully,. We modeled three pre-industrial scenarios: a snowball Earth with albedo 0.6 (Pierrehumbert, 2011, a beautifully written paper), a waterbelt Earth with albedo 0.418 (Lacis et al., 2010), and today’s albedo 0.293 (Loeb et al., 2006). We concluded that a control variable or triggering event (e.g. a big enough asteroid strike, or a series of volcanic eruptions) would be necessary to cause a transition from a snowball Earth to a waterbelt Earth (which used to be called a “slushball Earth”), but that, once there was open water at the Equator, the ice-albedo effect (very important at that stage) and the water vapor feedback, and even the cloud feedback, would begin to operate, maintaining the temperature at around 277 K. The feedback response would thus exercise a hysteretic influence, which could only be derailed by another control variable, this time causing sudden and substantial cooling. Our research appears, therefore, to make some contribution to solving the snowball-Earth deglaciation problem and also the early-faint-Sun paradox.

Michael Gronemeyer
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 4:10 am

Following thought experiment:
Suppose a first feedback response appears after reaching Tfb = 200K.
The model starts with a reduced solar energy, which leads to a equilibrium temperature Tfb = 200 K and includes no feedback. We increase the solar energy until we get TN (= 287.6 K).
After (4) follows from the additional solar contribution:
f = 1 – ΔTref / ΔTeq = 1 – (TE – Tfb + ΔTB) / (TN – Tfb)
= 1 – (255.4 – 200 + 8) / (287.6 – 200) = 0.28.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 24, 2018 12:39 pm

Mr Gronemeyer’s point is one that we thought about quite carefully. However, the Gedankenexperiment that is usually followed in the climate is to make a comparison between emission temperature without and with non-condensing greenhouse gases assuming today’s insolation and albedo. One starts off, therefore, with emission temperature of 255 K, and the feedbacks that respond to that temperature are denominated in Watts per square meter per Kelvin of that temperature, and not of some lesser temperature.

March 20, 2018 4:25 am

Everyone is looking at the problem without being able to consider all the other variables in play at once, in a real time lab setting. If you do this the value is .39 K between what it would be at 576 ppm and what it was at 288 ppm. This is my findings and I will have them out very soon. So if the IPCC largest value of 5 K that will occur with a doubling of the CO2 concentration from 1880 values and the findings of this post which are only 1.2 K, there is still a factor of 13 too high for IPCC and 3 to high for this post.

Reply to  Rudy Patterson
March 20, 2018 4:27 am

…………..that real time lab setting being the recorded weather data, from minute to minute, on any surface based weather station, as the weather readings are changing. Its a bit tricky, but you have to look at it from a physical chemistry point of view.

Reply to  Rudy Patterson
March 20, 2018 4:36 pm

There are all manner of competing favorite theories. However, we have provided a theoretical demonstration, empirically verified, that the feedback fraction has been exaggerated by an order of magnitude and equilibrium sensitivities by twofold to tenfold, mid-range estimate threefold. And that is quite enough to end the global warming scare.

March 20, 2018 5:35 am

If Monckton is correct then it would mean that in our atmosphere there is not and can never be equilibrium and thus no equilibrium temperature either. That if the dynamics of the system predispose it to feedbacks, then the system will be endlessly chasing its tail and never arrive at rest or equilibrium.
I can’t judge if he is wrong or right here. But it seems to point to an even deeper question here – have we stumbled upon a proof that, if the “feedback landscape” make the system chaotic-nonlinear, then there can be no talk of equilibrium or an equilibrium temperature. That its temperature must endlessly change. “Climate change” is a continuous and mathematically inescapable property/behaviour of the system.
This statement itself is a tautology – if it’s chaotic then it won’t come to rest. But it is one not without meaning – profound meaning. Like Feigenbaum, Monckton might have found a very simple mathematical key to chaos (in Feigenbaum’s case the threshold for Hopf bifurcation and doubling).
To me it makes sense that climate equilibrium can never exist. “O for the wings of a dove – that I may be forever at rest” the system may forlornly cry, but such equilibrium might only come at Steven Hawking’s heat death of the universe. The climate is a dissipative open system with continuous flow through of heat from wobbling equator to poles while spinning at the same time, driving ocean currents through a complex sea floor topography that is itself slowly changing. The chances for equilibrium in such a 4-dimensionally dynamic system must be those of a snowball in hell.
So if – I emphasise if – Monckton is right here then what he will have done is destroyed the concept of an equilibrium temperature in the climate. That in the presence of climate feedbacks – which is ultimately what this entire discussion and issue is about – give the system the properties of (a) friction, coming from negative feedbacks, and (b) excitability, coming from positive feedbacks (and the system is open and dissipative) then there can be no equilibrium, ever, and therefore no such thing as an equilibrium temperature.
What it boils down to is that if in a dynamic system the result of an effect changes the effect that caused it (i.e. feedback), then the system will endlessly change and never reach equilibrium. Lorenz showed this in 1963 and the climate community still have not understood it. Lorenzian pseudo random walk is the closest the system would come to “equilibrium” although no plateau or state would ever be normative or a mean. The system and state will change forever.

Reply to  philsalmon
March 20, 2018 7:00 am

In any dynamical system with multiple variables, the achievement of perfect equilibrium is difficult and unlikely. The reason is that , with respect to one or more variables, such a system is likely to exhibit mathematically chaotic behavior. See Lorenz (1963); Lightman (1998); Giorgi (2005).

sailboarder
Reply to  philsalmon
March 20, 2018 11:02 am

“That if the dynamics of the system predispose it to feedbacks, then the system will be endlessly chasing its tail and never arrive at rest or equilibrium.”
For sure, as entropy is always maximizing. Without CO2, there would be more violent storms. With no water and CO2, the temperature swings would be huge, and violent, constant wind with dust would be the norm. Our added CO2 should reduce the temperature extremes and cause a less violent climate. CO2 moves surface radiated energy near instantly, in all directions, including towards the poles.

Reply to  philsalmon
March 20, 2018 12:18 pm

philsalmon March 20, 2018 at 5:35 am
What it boils down to is that if in a dynamic system the result of an effect changes the effect that caused it (i.e. feedback), then the system will endlessly change and never reach equilibrium. Lorenz showed this in 1963 and the climate community still have not understood it. Lorenzian pseudo random walk is the closest the system would come to “equilibrium” although no plateau or state would ever be normative or a mean. The system and state will change forever.

Not true, it depends on the nature of the stationary state that the system is at. It could be a stable node, in which case any small perturbation from equilibrium would result in a monotonic return, or a stable focus in which case the return would be oscillatory. If the stationary point were unstable then the smallest perturbation would result in a divergence to a stable state, in the case of a node monotonic and in the case of a focus oscillatory (possibly to a stable oscillation or limit cycle). Examples of all these are known in chemistry and biology (e.g. Belousov-Zhaborinski reaction, also see Hopf bifurcation).

RW
Reply to  philsalmon
March 20, 2018 3:38 pm

Philsalmon,
There is a key difference between ‘equilibrium’ and ‘steady-state’. The Earth/atmosphere system is never in equilibrium. It’s in what’s called ‘steady-state’, but even that is only an approximation and not a true ‘steady-state’.

Thom
March 20, 2018 5:37 am

Unfortunately they have doublethink working for them. Truth and proof are simply words without definition when the party determines what they are, and a vacuum is created by the media in the release of that truth to the public. Good luck Lord Monckton, you will need it.
“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word “doublethink” involved the use of doublethink.

Reply to  Thom
March 20, 2018 6:37 am

Thorn
The doublethink that you just described is the reason for which the human skull and brain evolved to their grotesquely bulbous shape and size. As De La Fontaine wrote, for every truth there are a thousand corresponding lies. Deceit requires much more processing power than honesty.

Reply to  philsalmon
March 20, 2018 6:46 am

Correction: Michel de Montaigne, not de la Fontaine.

Peter Langlee
March 20, 2018 6:35 am

So, climatologists assume that there won’t be water vapour in an atmosphere without non-condensing GHGs. Have I understood the error correctly?

Reply to  Peter Langlee
March 20, 2018 7:03 am

Mr Langlee has gotten the point beautifully. Climatologists do indeed assume that the planet would not be warm enough to have open water at the Equator in the absence of the non-condensing greenhouse gases, because they assume that the emission temperature induces no feedback response. Yet Lacis et al. (2010), for instance, imagine that there would be water vapor in the atmosphere even without greenhouse gases, but then they fail to quantify it as the feedback response to emission temperature that it is: instead, they attribute it to the greenhouse gases that have not yet appeared in the atmosphere. It’s as bad as that.

Editor
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 8:10 am

MoB,
Ahhh…ok, now I understand…I think…
I have to put things in physical perspective…it’s my great weakness, and has led me astray or hindered my understanding many times. But, let me see if this is correct:
The surface emits (on average) 255(ish)K and the top of atmosphere emits 288(ish)K. (And the whole concept of backradiation from radiative gases is simply the physical mechanism of the feedback system described mathematically by you above.) The difference between what you’re proposing, and what has been understood previously, is the amount of direct feedback that exists in this system. Previously, the direct feedback from the input of 255K from the surface was understood (implicitly) to be merely 8K, and was attributable to, as you describe them, non condensing GHGs. A secondary feedback was then postulated to arise from this 8K-GHG “input”, and was assumed to be the balance of the remaining, which is 24K.
What you’re clarifying is that the 255K input into the climate system is essentially the sole input, and the 288K output at ToA is a direct feedback resulting from this. And this feedback is the product of all the of the GHGs in the atmosphere, condensing as well as non-condensing.
If I’ve understood correctly, then this fixes (for me) my main hang-up about this whole backradiation explanation. I’ve not had the ability to articulate clearly (at least to my satisfaction) my dislike for the GHG theory, but this is precisely it! (Note, I’m not saying I didn’t believe it, I’ve just always found it clumsy and lacking internal coherence as a physical description.) I’ve always thought we were missing something, and in my mind had it as “the radiation was already there”… but I couldn’t reconcile this half-formed thought into a complete explanation.
Furthermore, this should be easily accepted since it doesn’t require the silly, unbounded feedback which would take an 8k input and turn it into a 24K output. In our system this is clearly non-physical. A 255K input producing 32K of feedback is much, much more believable, and correlates precisely with our inherent understanding of “how things work”.
Thanks Christopher! Really and truyl this has helped me immensely with my understanding.
rip
aka Brian Lindauer

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 8:47 am

ripshin has not quite understood all that the head posting says. The emission temperature of the Earth, which would obtain at the surface in the absence of any greenhouse gases or feedbacks, is 255 K. Today’s surface temperature is 288 K. Most of the difference is indeed caused by feedback, but most of the feedback is to the emission temperature, not to the grehouse gases.

Editor
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:05 am

Ok, thanks for further clarifying. I had the temps backwards (I knew better), and thus the process. 288K at the surface and 255K at ToA.
So the feedback is to the surface (otherwise it wouldn’t be a feedback I suppose) and raises it’s emission temp. The atmosphere is the feedback mechanism which returns some fraction of the input power back to the source, in this case, the surface.
Is this correct?
If so, this still makes more sense to me than what I understood previously. 32K as a feedback of 255K is much more believable than 24K from 8K, which is my takeaway from above.
Thanks in advance,
rip

Editor
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:36 am

Sigh…I really should have take more time before posting the above msgs to think through what I was saying. The problem was aligning my thought process to the way CM was describing it.
It makes perfect sense now that I’ve thought about it more. Thanks for engaging.
rip

michael hart
Reply to  Peter Langlee
March 20, 2018 7:08 am

As far as I can tell, that does seem to be at least part of it.
Of course there are many reasons why it isn’t true: The average temperature hides the fact that water will enter the atmosphere at locations (closer to the equator) and times (day, summer) when temperatures are far above average.
Water can also reach a long way into the cold stratosphere by methane oxidation. I understand the origins of some stratospheric clouds are still under debate.
I also suspect that much also rests on unstated assumptions of equilibrium which are patently not the case. As Monckton points out,

“However, although the Clausius-Clapeyron relation indicates that the space occupied by the atmosphere can carry near-exponentially more water vapor as it warms, there is nothing to say that it must.”

The reverse is also true: Just because a region of the atmosphere becomes supersaturated with water vapor, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the water will condense out. Supersaturation is a common phenomenon where there are no cloud condensation nuclei. How that is properly described and predicted in climate models I have yet to learn.

March 20, 2018 6:57 am

First of all , the 255.4K meme is based on the most inexcusably crude step function assumption for the absorptivity=emissivity spectrum of the planet+atmosphere as outlined here :
http://cosy.com/Science/HypotheticalSpectra.jpg
when an actual value could be calculated from the measured spectrum of our ball as seen from outside . The presumption of 4 decimal place accuracy is unwarranted altho the variations this endless brouhaha are on that 4th decimal place order . About the only relevant value known to that accuracy is the gray body temperature of about 278.6 +- 2.3 around our orbit .
Second , I have yet to see any testable differential equation which “explains” the trapping of kinetic energy by a spectral phenomenon causing the interior of a ball to come to a higher equilibrium temperature than that calculated as above .
Finally , it is becoming indisputably clear that the bottoms of atmospheres are hotter than their tops — than their radiative equilibria — whatever their composition by the same tradeoff of gravitational and thermal energy which is such a ubiquitous phenomenon in all massive bodies . And ulike the GHG paradigm simple equations are remarkably good at predicting the temperature deltas with pressure — which is held in equilibrium by gravity . The total energy equations can only be balanced by gravity which can easily be shown to compute as a negative and cannot be left out of the equations .

Tom Anderson
Reply to  Bob Armstrong
March 20, 2018 12:34 pm

Bravo. At last, something sensible.

Reply to  Tom Anderson
March 20, 2018 4:32 pm

Mr Armstrong should write a paper and get it through peer review. But, if we are right, there is no need for him to do so. The value of the emission temperature is derivable directly from the insolation and albedo via the SB equation. The value of the natural temperature in 1850 is derivable by deducting about 0.8 K from today’s surface temperature. The 32 K difference between the two has hitherto been attributed solely to forcings and feedbacks from greenhouse gases, when we have proven that about two-thirds of it is attributable to a feedback response induced by the emission temperature itself. Therefore, the feedback fraction has been overstated by an order of magnitude, and equilibrium sensitivities by twofold to tenfold, central estimate threefold. And there is an end of the matter.

Reply to  Tom Anderson
March 21, 2018 2:29 am

Mr Bradley, in what seems like a wilful attempt to mislead, makes the remarkably silly statement that the Stefan-Boltzmann equation works only in one direction. Yet it is an equation: therefore, it works both ways. One may as easily derive the temperature from a known radiative flux density as one may derive the flux density from the temperature. This is very elementary high-school math.
But don’t take my word for it. I’m just a classical architect who spent much time at Cambridge receiving personal instruction from my tutors in applied mathematics, so what would I know about it? Read Hansen (1981, eq. 2), where you will learn that one derives the 255.4 K emission temperature from the known insolation, the albedo and the Stefan-Boltzmann constant.
If you do not think Hansen is right (and in one respect he may not be, for the 255.4 K does not allow for latitudinal variation, and the value is probably more like 263 K, reducing climate sensitivity still further), then write a learned paper and have a go at getting it peer-reviewed. But don’t try wilful misdirection here. It is not welcome, and it is not fair to the 1.2 billion who have no electricity, too many of whom wont’ get it because of misguided global-warming policies.

March 20, 2018 8:43 am

There appears to be no discernible argument against the head posting in Ceddars’ offering. However, if he, she or it is concerned about whether I am qualified to write about global warming, then perhaps it would like to look upthread at the list of co-authors.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 22, 2018 9:18 am

The accident-prone Mr Bradley, who knows little mathematics and no physics, asks what is the physical mechanism by which the emission temperature of the Earth induces a feedback response. The physical mechanism is precisely the same physical mechanism as that by which the temperature directly forced by the presence of the greenhouse gases induces a feedback response. If the latter induces a feedback response, so must the former. Read Bode (1945, ch. 3) and note the influence of the input signal Eo on the output signal Er in the presence of a nonzero feedback fraction. We have proven this theoretically in our paper, and have demonstrated it empirically by building and running a test rig at a government laboratory.
Mr Bradley is prone to assume that because he has not understood something before it must be wrong. He should be more open-minded and less prone to hurl cheap insults, for I give as good as I get.

N. Jensen
March 20, 2018 9:17 am

Why complicate the issue ?
Even the CAGW true believers admit, that the direct (claimed) average rise in near earth atmospheric temperature by a doubling of CO2 is no more than about 1 dg C.
The rest is due to the assumed rise in the water vapor content in the atmosphere, which is claimed to be a positive feedback..
This is of course not credible.
Every single element in the hydrological cycle COOLS the earth:
Evaporation
The rise of small bubbles of warm air from the ground
Condensation/Sky formation
Precipitation
So, the feedback is NEGATIVE !
Given the properties of water (H2O) end the fact that Earth is more than 70% covered by water.
The CAGW proposition has already FAILED, in as much as the ‘hot spot’ has failed to materialize, and the wonderful ‘climate models’ show more warming than has been observed..
What determines Earths ‘climate’ is mostly the energy we get from the Sun, the properties of the H2O molecule, and the percentage of Earth that is covered by water.
None of which humankind has any ability to change.

Reply to  N. Jensen
March 20, 2018 4:19 pm

Mr Jensen thinks we have complicated the argument. We have not. We have simplified it. We have found a large, easy-to-understand error. We have verified it by multiple methods. And we hope that in due course, no doubt after a lot of wriggling by peer-reviewers, our paper exposing the error will be published in a leading climatological journal. All manner of people have all manner of theories and pet fancies about the climate question. But we can prove our result. And that, in the slippery discipline that is climatology, is a rare event indeed.

March 20, 2018 9:21 am

It may be my inattention, but just where is the schematic of the “test rig” posted.
It would be remarkable if such a rig were not done correctly, but some of us understand best in terms of circuits and block diagrams. Thanks.

Reply to  Bernie Hutchins
March 21, 2018 2:32 am

The test rigs were designed by one of my co-authors, who also built and operated it, and by a government scientist who certainly knew what he was doing. The circuit diagram will of course appear in the supplementary matter annexed to our paper when it is published in due course (always assuming that it passes peer review: for it will be very heavily scrutinized because it is taking a line that is not what climatology had previously followed.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 11:19 am

Famously, engineers at all levels, as students taking an exam, or as practitioners submitting a proposal or publication, MUST “show your work”. That is understood without being asked, and no one resents in the slightest a request for clarification. We WELCOME the opportunity to be (possibly) wrong and thereby to learn something new (to paraphrase Bohr), let alone to avoid later embarrassment. There is no credible excuse for not posting supplemental materials for WUWT review, particularly graphical items that could make clearer ideas that are difficult in words or even as math.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 22, 2018 8:09 pm

Mr Hutchins will have to wait for the peer-reviewed paper. We have released the present outline because our amicus brief has been lodged with the California court, but we do not intend to prejudice publication in a learned journal by publishing everything before it has appeared in the journal.

Randy Bork
March 20, 2018 9:33 am

up thread [March 20 7:10 am] and then there’s physics wrote “Also, if there is no atmosphere, there are no feedbacks. Hence, there will be no feedback response. If we then add an atmosphere with greenhouse gases, then feedbacks start to operate and the surface temperature gets enhanced.” This would seem to me agreement with Christopher Monckton’s point “the emission temperature TE (= 255 K), even in the absence of any greenhouse gases, induces a large feedback response ΔTE. “

Randy Bork
Reply to  Randy Bork
March 20, 2018 9:39 am

I should add that it would seem acceptance of equation 4 must follow this agreement.

March 20, 2018 9:54 am

Lord Monckton’s building of a test electronic circuit reminds one of the 1949 MONIAC analog computer which used fluidic logic to model the workings of an economy.
(And it’s also interesting that there are strong analogs between the physics of fluid flows in pipes, and currents in circuits.)
Wikipedia > MONIAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC

Reply to  Max Photon
March 20, 2018 4:16 pm

I must confess that it was not I but one of my distinguished co-authors, John Whitfield, who built our test rig. The results confirmed what we had determined theoretically. That fact makes it much harder for the usual suspects to sneer at us that we don’t know what we’re talking about.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 5:44 pm

So how about humoring the engineers here by posting the diagrams. Perhaps Mr. Whitfield can do that here. Is this asking too much? [ Previously (“Feet of Clay” from August 2016) you showed you did not understand the stability implications of the factor f in what is the same as your equation (1) above.]

jorgekafkazar
March 20, 2018 10:23 am

The science was scuttled.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 20, 2018 4:14 pm

+100.

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