Oh, the hilarity. In case you missed it, over the weekend the Dilbert Sunday Comic took on “climate science” in a hilarious way. I predicted the usual suspects would have the usual predictable responses, and so it goes with Dr. Michael Mann. Scott Adams, the creator of “Dilbert” has been active on Twitter over the comic, and he got exactly what we expect from “top” climate scientists like Mann.
H/t to Josh.
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Adams had a post that was recently pointed to here on WUWT. It does have some good points.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/160696999931/how-to-know-you-won-a-political-debate-on-the
Signs that you have won an internet argument according to Adams.
Absurd absolute.
A good example of this would be suggesting that the argument was that all science is settled.
Analogy.
This one depends on whether the analogy is the argument, or just used to explain.
Attack the messenger.
“But when you see an attack that seems far angrier than the situation calls for, that’s usually cognitive dissonance.”
The Psychic Psychiatrist Illusion
involves imagining you can discern the inner thoughts and motives of strangers. I’m talking about the unspoken thoughts and feelings of strangers, not the things they have actually said. If your debate opponents retreat to magical thinking about their abilities to detect secret motives and mental problems in strangers from a distance, you won.
This is a handy list I shall keep handy to utilise at appropriate moments.
Here is what I want to know. How hot does it have to get, i.e. how much CO2, to avoid the tipping point to the next ice age. That is what we should be shooting for and ameliorating any heat related problems occurring from the necessary increase.
The Cenozoic Ice Age began about 34 million years ago with Antarctic glaciation. CO2 might then have been as high as 1500 ppm. Consensus “climate scientists” however prefer a lower estimate of 750 ppm.
Since doubling CO2 has little effect on climate after c. 200 ppm, even two doublings from the supposed “pre-industrial” level of ~280 ppm, ie to 1120 ppm, couldn’t forestall the next glacial advance.
You missed my point. If CAGW is going to be catastrophic, chances are there will not be another ice age. The warmista’s need to tell where this point actually is and let’s go for it!
Jim,
Their standard response is that man-made warming can’t save us from the next ice age, but rather it’s liable to cause it sooner, as in that idiotic movie.
Earth suffered an ice age at the Ordovician-Silurian boundary when CO2 was four or five thousand ppm.
But I see your point. Ask “climate scientists” to state how much CO2 would be required to stop the next glacial advance. Since they suppose that going under 750 ppm in the Oligocene started Antarctic glaciation, then that level might be it, as I tried to suggest.
http://people.earth.yale.edu/sites/default/files/resize/images/Zhang-400×280.jpg
TRUMP and PRUITT get the SCIENCE RIGHT – NATURAL CYCLES DRIVE CLIMATE CHANGE.
Climate is controlled by natural cycles. Earth is just past the 2004+/- peak of a millennial cycle and the current cooling trend will likely continue until the next Little Ice Age minimum at about 2650.See the Energy and Environment paper at http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0958305X16686488
and an earlier accessible blog version at http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-coming-cooling-usefully-accurate_17.html
Here is the abstract for convenience :
“ABSTRACT
This paper argues that the methods used by the establishment climate science community are not fit for purpose and that a new forecasting paradigm should be adopted. Earth’s climate is the result of resonances and beats between various quasi-cyclic processes of varying wavelengths. It is not possible to forecast the future unless we have a good understanding of where the earth is in time in relation to the current phases of those different interacting natural quasi periodicities. Evidence is presented specifying the timing and amplitude of the natural 60+/- year and, more importantly, 1,000 year periodicities (observed emergent behaviors) that are so obvious in the temperature record. Data related to the solar climate driver is discussed and the solar cycle 22 low in the neutron count (high solar activity) in 1991 is identified as a solar activity millennial peak and correlated with the millennial peak -inversion point – in the RSS temperature trend in about 2004. The cyclic trends are projected forward and predict a probable general temperature decline in the coming decades and centuries. Estimates of the timing and amplitude of the coming cooling are made. If the real climate outcomes follow a trend which approaches the near term forecasts of this working hypothesis, the divergence between the IPCC forecasts and those projected by this paper will be so large by 2021 as to make the current, supposedly actionable, level of confidence in the IPCC forecasts untenable.””
Mann seems to have forgotten that he wrote this paper:
Shindell et al. 2001
Shindell, D.T., G.A. Schmidt, M.E. Mann, D. Rind, and A. Waple, 2001: Solar forcing of regional climate change during the Maunder Minimum. Science, 294, 2149-2152, doi:10.1126/science.1064363.
We examine the climate response to solar irradiance changes between the late 17th century Maunder Minimum and the late 18th century. Global average temperature changes are small (about 0.3° to 0.4°C) in both a climate model and empirical reconstructions. However, regional temperature changes are quite large. In the model, these occur primarily through a forced shift towards the low index state of the Arctic Oscillation/North Atlantic Oscillation as solar irradiation decreases. This leads to colder temperatures over the Northern Hemisphere continents, especially in winter (1-2°C), in agreement with historical records and proxy data for surface temperatures.
Trouble is, so many governments have invested so much on the basis that CAGW is real that it’s almost impossible to imagine any of them saying “Sorry, folks, we were wrong”.
Questing, they will slowly cease talking about it. Other scary stuff will replace it.
Subsidies will go away even more slowly. Need to keep those campaign contributions coming as long as possible, don’t you know?
In case cartoon educated population had doubts: Mann not only looks at originals, but adjusts them too.