Friday Funny: In California, 'children just aren't going to know what drought is'

Long-time WUWT readers will recognize the title as being a spoof on the infamous line about snow uttered by Dr. David Viner of the University of East Anglia some years ago in the Independent (now deleted, but preserved here) where he claimed in an article Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past by Charles Onians:

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

Less than a year ago, the New York  Times claimed in a headline: California Braces for Unending Drought and the phrase “permanent drought” was in use in the media.

Wired claimed: Thanks El Niño, But California’s Drought Is Probably Forever The Sacramento Bee wailed: Opinion: What if California’s drought is permanent? Over at Salon, where they know better than everybody about everything, they claimed: “It could last decades”: 5 shocking facts about California’s drought

Now we have headlines like: Drenched: How L.A. went from bone-dry to 216% of normal rainfall in four months

The drought map, is shrinking compared to a year ago. Only 11 percent of California remains in severe drought, less than 1 percent of California now in ‘extreme’ drought, and most of Northern California is drought free:




According to the California Dept. of Water Resources, 8 of 10 major reservoirs are above the 100% mark for historical averages:



And much of the USA is drought free now:


When less than two years ago, NYT said:

Droughts appear to be intensifying over much of the West and Southwest as a result of global warming. Over the past decade, droughts in some regions have rivaled the epic dry spells of the 1930s and 1950s.

Looks like the doomsayers were wrong…again.



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February 10, 2017 8:10 am


Reply to  Myra Robbins
February 10, 2017 9:22 am

That would be an ecumenical matter.

February 10, 2017 8:13 am

And more significant rains and snow heading to CA in the next two weeks. Many areas of the Sierra have already reached their normal snowfall totals for the entire winter with a good 8-12 weeks to go in the season.

Reply to  ltregulate
February 11, 2017 9:07 am

We are well over 150% of normal precipitation in much of the State and over 200% in many. We have simultanious floor watch / flood warnings with the claim of drought in the drought maps (and last year was normal rainfall too). Why? The broken Palmer Drought Index creates the drought map from computer models that adjust the rainfall based on the (cooked?) temperatures. Oh, and it doesn’t handle snow or frozen ground right…

Reply to  ltregulate
February 11, 2017 4:27 pm

The Sierra Snowpack which last year was at “historic lows” is now 180% of normal…..
California is adjacent to and the southern part of the state is in – the 4th largest Desert on Earth.
Since the 1960’s, Southern California’s population has gone up by some 18 ++ million people.
The State has added NO water storage since then. What do they expect?
I know I’m preaching to the converted, but it is just astonishing to listen to the “crickets” on the anti growth left keep chirping.

February 10, 2017 8:15 am
Bill Taylor
February 10, 2017 8:16 am

a few years ago i recall seeing a reporter in Memphis showing how low the mississippi river was and saying “that barge you see could be the LAST BARGE EVER on this river”.

Reply to  Bill Taylor
February 10, 2017 8:38 am

That reminds me of an alarmist reporter at Three Mile Island who said “I can see the radioactive steam dripping down the cooling towers”. Only three errors in one sentence.

February 10, 2017 8:18 am
Mark from the Midwest
February 10, 2017 8:19 am

And the Colorado River basin is at about 160% of normal snow-pack, maybe a little late-season surfing on the standing waves at Needles!

Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
February 10, 2017 5:49 pm

Mark : “standing waves at Needles” . That’s a joke , right ? I pulled up Google Earth to see if I could find them .
They do surf the standing waves in the St Lawrence in Montreal .

February 10, 2017 8:20 am

Where did the daft idea of a permanent drought come from anyway? I mean, which climate scientists were promoting it? Oh, it’s self-confessed f****ster Peter Gleick.

Reply to  Paul Matthews
February 10, 2017 8:37 am

Best comment of the day.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Paul Matthews
February 10, 2017 9:04 am

He has lots of useful idiots standing with him.
useful idiot: In political jargon, a useful idiot is a person perceived as a propagandist for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who is used cynically by the leaders of the cause.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Paul Matthews
February 10, 2017 9:16 am

In LA-LA Land, “permanent” means more than two years in duration.

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 10, 2017 9:19 am

For Griff, 3 months is enough to qualify as permanent.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 10, 2017 9:20 am

I thought it meant it was still trending up on Twitter …

Bryan A
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 10, 2017 10:36 am

Careful Mark,
Much like Moldywart, Griff knows when his name is mentioned and will apparate into the thread

Reply to  Bryan A
February 10, 2017 1:26 pm

That’s Beetlejuice

Joel Snider
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 10, 2017 12:25 pm

Kinda like a Hollywood marriage.

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 10, 2017 1:19 pm

“Kinda like a Hollywood marriage.”
And with about as much substance.

Reply to  Paul Matthews
February 10, 2017 2:11 pm

There is a Scottish adjective which may have it’s origin with Peter Gleick: glaikit – stupid, foolish, not very bright, thoughtless, vacant.

February 10, 2017 8:25 am

Just stick a sandwich board on the NY slimes HQ with the admonition of “The End is near!”.
It would be more honest.

Reply to  philjourdan
February 10, 2017 9:55 am

Agreed. Every day these people look more and more like the guy on the corner with the “The End is Near” sign. It’s disturbing to see such deterioration.

Reply to  Sheri
February 10, 2017 10:51 am

I wish I could remember the movie, but the was being accosted by a man wearing an “The end is near” signs. Just then the closing credits started to roll.

Reply to  Sheri
February 10, 2017 10:51 am

the PROTAGANIST was being accosted

David Brown
February 10, 2017 8:26 am

When we had our big drought here in Texas a few years ago, the doomsayers were saying the same thing. “Get ready Texas, this is how it’s going to be from now on.” But then we got a lot of rain and now we’re fine and all they wanted to talk about was California for some reason.
Looking at the drought map, I guess they’ll move onto Oklahoma next.

Reply to  David Brown
February 10, 2017 11:04 am

Did you say “Oklahoma?” Their drought is surely caused by fracking…

Reply to  renbutler
February 10, 2017 6:42 pm

Earthquakes are caused by fracking. Droughts are caused by earthquakes.

Reply to  renbutler
February 10, 2017 7:11 pm

Oklahoma is actually in pretty good shape as far as drought goes. We haven’t had a lot of rain over the past few months, in some areas, but we have gotten enough to keep things green, and the rains usually pick up around this time of year or a little later.
Great winter around here. One fairly cold snap, and that’s about it. So far. Although it wouldn’t be out of the question to get a huge snowfall around here in the near future.

Reply to  renbutler
February 10, 2017 11:53 pm

And bananas can be employed to prevent earthquakes my liege.

Bloke down the pub
February 10, 2017 8:31 am

Don’t go feeling too sorry for all the alarmists, they’ll have plenty of flooding stories to blame on CO₂ to keep their dream alive.

February 10, 2017 8:33 am

Wait for it now and let us know when you hear it. RECORD SNOW FALLS DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE!!! Does anyone doubt it?

Reply to  sbaer
February 10, 2017 9:22 am

No. CC is a non-falsifiable statement.

Reply to  sbaer
February 10, 2017 10:20 am
February 10, 2017 8:39 am

You try and tell people here in CA that the drought of 1975-77 was much worse or that the precipitation of seasons as recent as 2010/11 were even heavier (so far) than this winter’s and it can’t stand up to the continual manmade armageddon meme that’s being pounded into their heads.
CA’s weather is a long list of extremes interposed with everything in-between. There is average but there is no normal.

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 8:53 am

“There is average but there is no normal.” – Love it.

Bill Taylor
Reply to  TRM
February 10, 2017 8:54 am

same thing with people, there is an average height, weight, etc. but almost NOBODY fits those parameters…….

Reply to  TRM
February 10, 2017 9:24 am

Anthropogenic weight change? People are becoming more and more obese, right?

John M. Ware
Reply to  TRM
February 10, 2017 5:37 pm

That’s what I’ve been saying for years on this site. Some things can be termed “normal,” like human body temperature, or 20/20 vision. Significant departure from those norms is harmful, even dangerous. Such norms are derived from long-term observations, including effects of deviations.
Climate doesn’t have norms. It has averages, and it has a long-term history in many places. Average rainfall here in central Virginia is about a tenth of an inch per day. So is a day with no rain abnormal? How absurd! How about a full inch of rain–is that abnormal, since it is ten times the average? Again, absurd. There are no true norms in climate or weather; there are averages and departures from them. (It is of interest how few days actually are average.) So–yes, thanks, harkin1–there is average but there is no normal.

Reply to  TRM
February 11, 2017 9:02 pm

“There is average but there is no normal.”
What a great line! The left-leaning climate statisticians will have a melt-down trying to understand that despite the obvious truth. After all, they live in a world of computer models rather than the world we all live in, the real one.

Reply to  TRM
February 12, 2017 12:13 am

climate change, like any other religion, is for people who don’t understand math.

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 5:39 pm

“…a long list of extremes interposed with everything in-between.”
Just like Australia, but milder ?

Reply to  Hivemind
February 11, 2017 10:11 am

Almost exactly like Australia. We even have eucalyptus… but need more teddy bears in them 🙂
I’m a native Californian. Drove inland from Sydney to the Back ‘O Burk, then back out through the mountains to Melbourne. Lots of it is indistinguishable from California. Toss in New Zealand for the Sierra Nevada mountain analog and you’ve got the whole place (with a bit of Oregon South Island).
Both are Mediterranean climate with inland deserts. Major difference is just the animals. Heck, some of the 1800s era farm towns inland were just like old towns here. Same styles of brickwork and boardwalks. Cowboy culture a match too.

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 6:47 pm

In the last 2000 years CA has had one 10 year drought and one 50 year drought.

Jill Osiecki
Reply to  harkin1
February 13, 2017 1:12 pm

Drought, rain, mudslides, forest fires, floods, rock slides, avalanches, wealth, poverty, politics, you name it, everything in CA is extreme.

February 10, 2017 8:49 am

But they are climate scientists….
Whichever way the trend is going…it’s permanent
$billions…and all they can do is extend a trend

February 10, 2017 8:51 am

Eventually the doomsayers will be correct 🙂
Looking at the long term you can see periods with hundreds of years of low rain. Who knows if they will repeat or if it was a one off? It does seem that humans moved in mass to California just around the time that it got wetter. Here’s hoping Mr Watts has a nice green lawn.

Pamela Gray
February 10, 2017 8:54 am

Leading the country, as California politicians so often say they do, is best done without the clown suit they are currently wearing.

Steve Lohr
Reply to  Pamela Gray
February 10, 2017 9:12 am

Pamela, yes, that’s a circus act than needs to go away.

Reply to  Pamela Gray
February 10, 2017 5:46 pm

Who’s wearing a clown suit? That would be South Australia with over 40 degree C heat and rolling blackouts because the wind isn’t generating enough power. They had enough coal fired power, but shut it down and destroyed it.
Victoria and New South Wales are following suit. The government in NSW today said people should not use unnecessary appliances, like air conditioning. In 40 degree heat, they think people will stop using aircon because of their green virtue signalling?

Curious George
Reply to  Pamela Gray
February 11, 2017 7:44 am

Actually, a clown suit is highly appropriate for these leaders.

February 10, 2017 9:01 am

Californian’s have NO IDEA the sort of drought that Mother Nature can dish out naturally. How about 200 years of drought?

Reply to  crosspatch
February 10, 2017 11:48 am

Nice link. Global warming in California/Nevada appears to have been an ongoing problem for several thousand years already. A long history of wetter ‘wets’ and drier ‘drys’ interspaced with some drier wets and even some wetter drys. The history of global warming is much worse than we thought.
“This botanic relic is one of several medieval trees, ranging from 68 to 100 feet tall, standing upright at the bottom of the lake. They grew during a 200-year megadrought in the Sierra Nevada between the 9th and 12th centuries, when precipitation in the area fell to less than 60 percent of the average between 1969 and 1992. …There are also three older trees, which drowned between 18 and 35 centuries ago, standing upright on the lake floor, which suggests that severe droughts struck even further back in time.”

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  crosspatch
February 11, 2017 3:02 pm

You have a point. Many Kalifornians are uneducated, and many more have lived all their lives in cities, having no idea of what happens in 99% (fake stat) of the world. Very little association with reality, as TV news and a few liberal rags tell them a twisted version of what is happening in the world. Our food magically appears in grocery stores, electrical power and water have always been here and will always be here. We don’t need no stinking dams, just cut supplies to those greedy farmers. If we build a bullet train between two cities no one visits, people will come. (Uh – that won’t further strain the above listed resources… because they’re magical.) We want more people from Central America to move here, but we don’t want more housing because it will destroy our hiking trails – for those 30 people who aren’t basking on the beach.
I love Kalifornia.
If I can just convince my wife to sell and get the hell out of here….

February 10, 2017 9:03 am

In California, children just aren’t going to know what reality is.

Eustace Cranch
Reply to  JohnWho
February 10, 2017 9:10 am

Too late. By about 10 years.

Reply to  Eustace Cranch
February 10, 2017 9:28 am

Ah, anthropogenic reality change. ARC is taking gullibles in national public radios all around the Earth.

William Bradford Grubel
Reply to  Eustace Cranch
February 10, 2017 12:27 pm


Reply to  JohnWho
February 10, 2017 11:03 am

Perhaps Steve Jobs’ reality distortion field rubbed off on a few too many.

Frederick Michael
February 10, 2017 9:03 am

Here are some things to know about the Drought Monitor map.
First, they define drought in percentiles. The first 2 percentiles are labeled Exceptional Drought, the next 3 Extreme, the next 5 Severe, the next 10 Moderate, the next 10 Abnormally Dry. That adds up to 30 percent.
Second, they label drought regions as long term (L), short term (S) or both (SL). For SL regions, the drought rating (the color on the map) is the max of the two types.
Third, they don’t publish the separate short term and long term maps, so some things cannot be determined exactly.
So, putting all this together, 30 percent of the US should be colored some color for short term and 30 percent for long term. Count the SL regions double and the colored areas should add up to 60 percent of the US.

NW sage
Reply to  Frederick Michael
February 10, 2017 5:09 pm

So in effect the definition of drought is relative? ie even if the area where I am has been rained on for several weeks, if everywhere else has been rained on harder I am in a drought area? That is what percentiles do.

February 10, 2017 9:17 am

Climate alarmism is not about the past or even the present. It’s about the future and the imminent catastrophes that await. Present “fails” bother them not because climate alarmism exists and thrives in future-oriented fears.

Reply to  BallBounces
February 10, 2017 9:31 am

They live in a virtual reality created by computer models that reminds me of something like the movie ‘The Matrix’ but even less believable. They have nothing to fear but the fear of reality itself and Donald Trump of course.

February 10, 2017 9:17 am

I’m now a climate alarmist. I’m alarmed at how rogue climate has gone relative to climate scientist forecasts.

February 10, 2017 9:19 am

The soothsayers of doom must be growing tired of being correct all the time.

February 10, 2017 9:23 am

Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
Do any of these experts and profiteers of climate doom and gloom ever apologise, retract or say that they simply got it wrong and really have no idea what the chaotic climate system is doing and will ever do?
No, of course they don’t, because climate alarmists think that their hearts are in the right place such that any alarmist behaviour is ok.
These wreckless dud-predictions cost the taxpayer (other people’s money) trillions in a what is now a trillion dollar industry.
So no, you won’t hear any retraction or apology because too many jobs, reputations and ‘money’ are now at stake.

Mark from the Midwest
February 10, 2017 9:29 am

In the picture at the top of this post Jerry Brown is using the earpiece to listen to some Donna Summers slow-jams from the late 1970’s and thinking “I was really into Linda then, but this stuff is good …”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
February 10, 2017 3:16 pm

More likely…..
Brown: …………….. uh, could you repeat that, please?
Office assistant: B…… r ……. o……. W …….. n.
Brown: W! THAT was the letter I needed. I always forget, “u” or “w” I think to myself. Thanks!

February 10, 2017 9:34 am

Here’s what the forecaster at had to say about all the snow CA is getting this winter.
“Snow-plow driver are weary. Not only do they have a schedule to keep during storms, but in-between storms they have to create snow storage for the next storm. Many are so exhausted working around the clock that they are numb. We have a man power loader driver shortage. There are opportunities now, for some, that want to work in Mammoth, that knows how to drive snow removal equipment. We also have a big-big shortage of snow shoveler’s. Many are making at and over $30.00 per hour. Got shovels? Call any of local roofers. They are looking for bodies to shovel. One more issue….You will also have to find a place to live which is a challenge in itself.”
Apparently the California Water Resource Board knows something we don’t because just this Wed. they voted to extend the existing water conservation rules.

February 10, 2017 9:36 am

Once again those skeptical of climate hype and doom, rooted in rational thought and historical understanding of how extreme climate actually is, are proven correct Once again the climate consensus is proven wrong.

February 10, 2017 9:39 am

It ain’t science that’s for sure. Naturally California will build a bullet train they don’t need for billion but no new water storage.
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict another drought in California’s future. Maybe I can work for the Pacific Institute.

February 10, 2017 9:40 am

Oroville dam spillway is being wiped out right now…

February 10, 2017 9:47 am

Over the past decade, droughts in some regions have rivaled the epic dry spells of the 1930s and 1950s.

OMG, it’s getting worse. It’s almost as bad as it used to be.

February 10, 2017 9:55 am

There seems to be extreme drought conditions in western Connecticut. I wonder why?

NW sage
Reply to  PaulH
February 10, 2017 5:11 pm

Could it be because Connecticut begins with ‘C’ and that is similar to California?

Reply to  NW sage
February 11, 2017 12:01 am

No, one has 4 vowels. The other has 5.
But that would make a great research project to correlate placename vowels and the impacts of AGW. Where is my research grant?

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 10, 2017 10:18 am

This is all very well but the I want to know is: will this year be a good wine year?

John in LduB
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 10, 2017 10:43 am

In the end this is all that really matters.

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 11, 2017 3:07 pm

Ed, you and I could be friends. You could be really good friends with my wife!

Jerry Henson
February 10, 2017 10:28 am

Only Californians can build major cities in a desert, and then complain
when it doesn’t rain.

Reply to  Jerry Henson
February 10, 2017 11:36 am

There are no major cities in the California desert.
Las Vegas is a major city built in the desert. I am there now and the do complain when rains.
Most of California is a semi-arid Mediterranean climate with hot dry summers that depend on irrigation.

Reply to  Jerry Henson
February 10, 2017 1:25 pm

The “desert” dwellers do not complain. It is the coasters that are always whining.

February 10, 2017 10:30 am

More impressively, as shown in the national drought map, outside of Southern California, much of the Southwest is free of drought, and almost none any longer in even considered in Moderate Drought.
It has been common knowledge that the SW is in a long-term, decades long, drought, and expected to shift to a Mega-Drought — news touted as recently at October last year.
Certainly look like even the current “abnormally dry” conditions are beginning to disappear.
If California secedes from the United States, it will almost totally eliminate SWUS Drought at once!

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2017 11:06 am

From the summary at the link you posted:
“As a consequence of a warming Earth, the risk of a megadrought — one that lasts more than 35 years — in the American Southwest likely will rise from a low chance over the past thousand years to a 20- to 50-percent chance in this century. However, by slashing greenhouse gas emissions, these risks are nearly cut in half, according to a new study”.
Do you agree with that?

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 11:24 am

harkin1 ==> The link was to an extremely alarmist press release about a nonsense study that basically said “If it keeps getting hotter and drier in the SW there will be a long drought”.
Instead of a Mega-Drought, most of the already considered decadal drought has disappeared, except in Southern California, just several months later. So much for their prediction.
Their prediction is trivially true — IF it keeps getting hotter and hotter in the SW and it doesn’t rain in the SW for many years there will be a mega-drought. Of course, that is the definition of a mega-drought. Saying that “if there is a Mega-Drought there will be a Mega-Drought” is silly.
So now they will have to start over on counting drought years for mist of the SW.

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 11:28 am

Many thanks. I’ve always valued your input here and at Climate Etc.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2017 11:51 am

“much of the Southwest is free of drought,…”
How stupid is that statement?
The desert southwest is really, really, ….really, really dry. When it rains there are flash floods. That is the normal. Fun with statistics.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
February 10, 2017 12:43 pm

Retired ==> I don’t make up the definitions — we’re referring to the United States Drought Monitor’s map — someone stuck it in above. If you use their Change Maps you bsee how much things have improved in the Southwestern US over the last year.
Deserts aren’t deserts because of what we call drought — they are deserts because of their long term rainfall patterns, environmental and ecological conditions, type of vegetation, soil type, and so on — not just recent rainfall. Deserts are, according to the USGS, “always dry”.
Droughts, however, are : “prolonged periods of abnormally low rainfall; a shortage of water resulting from this.”
I grew up out there in southern California — hiking and camping all over the southwest, and believe me, conditions during droughts are far different than normal conditions out there in those deserts.

February 10, 2017 10:33 am

“A pretty girl In the Imperial Valley,
California, carrying home the family
sapply qf drinking water, given free
to people in that drought-stricken
area from tanks’ sent along the railway-
line by the Government”

Janice Moore
Reply to  englandrichard
February 10, 2017 10:39 am

Addition to nice find by e.richard: August 25, 1934

Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 10:43 am

More re: 1934

“A new study using a reconstruction of North American drought history over the last 1,000 years found that the drought of 1934 was the driest and most widespread of the last millennium. Using a tree-ring-based drought record from the years 1000 to 2005 and modern records, scientists from NASA and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory found the 1934 drought was 30 percent more severe than the runner-up drought (in 1580) and extended across 71.6 percent of western North America. For comparison, the average extent of the 2012 drought was 59.7 percent. … It was the worst by a large margin, falling pretty far outside the normal range of variability that we see in the record, said climate scientist Ben Cook at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. …
… {A} high-pressure system in winter sat over the west coast of the United States and turned away wet weather – a pattern similar to that which occurred in the winter of 2013-14. …
[A] comparison of weather data to models looking at La Niña effects showed that the rain-blocking high-pressure system in the winter of 1933-34 overrode the effects of La Niña for the western states. This dried out areas from northern California to the Rockies that otherwise might have been wetter. As winter ended, the high-pressure system shifted eastward, interfering with spring and summer rains that typically fall on the central plains. …
Dust storms like the ones in the 1930’s aren’t a problem in North America today. The agricultural practices that gave rise to the Dust Bowl were replaced by those that minimize erosion. …” – Anthony Watts

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Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 12:26 pm

Note: it was not the record heat that was the main cause of the crop failure/”Dust Bowl” drought situation, it was poor soil management.

Dust storms like the ones in the 1930’s aren’t a problem in North America today. The agricultural practices that gave rise to the Dust Bowl were replaced by those that minimize erosion. …

Also, there was a blocking high that prevented precipitation:

{A}rain-blocking high-pressure system in the winter of 1933-34 overrode the effects of La Niña for the western states. This dried out areas from northern California to the Rockies that otherwise might have been wetter. As winter ended, the high-pressure system shifted eastward, interfering with spring and summer rains that typically fall on the central plains. …


Reply to  Janice Moore
February 11, 2017 4:10 am

Do not plough up a drought resistant plant- Prairie grass- that can withstand 30 years of drought and even flower during one.
Clue in there for all those who think there is climate change – DROUGHT resistant plant.

Bruce Cobb
February 10, 2017 10:45 am

Does the “Unending Drought” come with breadsticks?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 10, 2017 11:55 am

Nope. Sorry. Only if you order the soup.
(there is a drought of authentic Italian cuisine at this place, so, it is on topic)comment image

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 12:13 pm

Likely no one will have read the above (or this), but, I feel bad slamming a nice American family restaurant, so: Olive Garden has some great things on the menu, but, for the price, the quality should be, in many cases, better.

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 2:28 pm

My older sister knows I not a big fan of said restaurant. She said we were going to a small Italian family restaurant. Sure looked like a typical strip mall chain restaurant. It was in California but could be anyplace.
We love cheap Mexican family restaurants too. Our daughter from NYC always wants to treat us to an expensive restaurant. Do you want expensive or do you want good food?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 2:45 pm

Kit P — I agree with you 100%. 🙂

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 11, 2017 1:12 pm

Our local Mirch Masala does good food at a good price.

February 10, 2017 10:52 am

Regardless of the drought ending California needs a plan for handling future droughts. Mandatory conservation isn’t going to bring more water to the area, just stretch the capabilities of the supply system already in place. There will always be some areas of the country in drought and some with excess water, moving it around seems well within our technological capabilities but apparently too expensive since there is no nationwide water network, at least not one to supply California. It seems absurd that with all the challenges there are in trying to keep a stable economy and society the thing that rose to the top of the problem list and almost crippled California is a lower than normal amount of rain for five years. Tree ring measurements and other data tell us California has been through several droughts that have lasted decades over the last 1000 years, yet we were not prepared for a five year drought. We put a man on the moon 50 years ago, but today we don’t have a method to maintain the water supply in the most populated state in the nation? That is on the coast no less.

Reply to  Steve
February 10, 2017 12:05 pm

“most populated state in the nation”
So Steve do see the relationship between a mild semi-arid climate and clueless people who do not like snow?
There plan is to not have a plan and depend on others for power and water.

Reply to  Steve
February 10, 2017 1:47 pm

@Steve- California already has that with their reservoir system. However due to eco nuts, they cannot store the water as they have to release it to “protect” the snail darters.

Reply to  Steve
February 10, 2017 2:12 pm

Don’t confuse “can’t” with “won’t”. The issue in California is the dingbats won’t make the investments needed to maintain their water supply.

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  Steve
February 11, 2017 3:22 pm

We voted for a proposition 2 years ago that authorized $7 billion for dams. Except… anyone who read the proposition description would have learned that the money would actually be allocated to destruction of existing dams, support to poor communities, and ‘studies’ for new dams. However, the Sierra Club made it quite clear in the 70’s that the Melones Reservoir would be the last dam in Kalifornia. They fought it tooth and nail.
We just gave away $7B to further erode infrastructure. Fortunately, Kalifornia is a magical place, and everything will be just fine once we build a bullet train between two towns no one goes to, and put a satellite in space to monitor something already monitored by dozens of other satellites.
I love Moonbeam. They say a neurotic builds castles in the sky, but psychotics live in them. Welcome to Kalifornia! You too can live in an imaginary castle!

February 10, 2017 10:53 am

I think Viner’s classic article was removed less than a year ago.

Roger Knights
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
February 10, 2017 1:39 pm

Probably it’s on the Wayback machine.

February 10, 2017 11:01 am

No, no, no – we will have to change the definition of “drought” to make sure we can still get the headlines. How about separating it from that pesky rainfall measurement? We have a hard time fudging that one because there are too many independent measurements. So how about we base it on estimated shortfall between supply and demand? That way, as demand increases we can weep and wail over projected shortfalls in supply and keep the catastrophe headlines rolling…..

Reply to  Rob
February 11, 2017 1:19 pm

I note the plan to keep the grants flowing, too.
Basic. Yet effective.
When simply moving water from A to B to C to D shouldn’t be so very difficult for Californian engineers.
But, of course, if there is a lack of political will – ask the voters.
Auto, noting that voters were asked and voted for Brexit, DJ Trump, and – well tomorrow will tell, but, maybe Madame La President Le Pen; even Geert Wildersin the Netherlands . . .

February 10, 2017 11:13 am

Most of early 20th century California owes its’ prosperity to oil extraction like many of the elites today who are clamoring for “renewable energy”. Southern California owes it’s growth as well to the Hoover Dam supplying most of the energy required to power the homes but today they don’t count that electricity as renewable because….well because. Now the answer to possible future water shortages is to continue private homeowner drought measures while they open their border to unlimited invasion. California breeds hypocrisy.

Reply to  markl
February 10, 2017 12:13 pm

“Hoover Dam supplying most of the energy required to power the homes”
How wrong is that? Markl is forgetting about the nuke and gas fired power plants in Cali. Not to mention all the coal fired power plants the California pretend do not exist when they import large amounts of power.
We need to coin a term for selective power source identification.
Like the City of Seattle that claims to be fossil fuel free. Of course the coal and gas fired power plants at Centralia are still running full speed.

NW sage
Reply to  Retired Kit P
February 10, 2017 5:22 pm

I believe the Centralia plant is owned/operated by Transalta, not Seattle Power and Light. Some of the power from Centralia MAY be contracted to Seattle however.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
February 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Retired Kit P commented: “…“Hoover Dam supplying most of the energy required to power the homes” ….How wrong is that? Markl is forgetting about the nuke and gas fired power plants in Cali.
RKP is forgetting that during the “growth” of early Southern California nuke and gas fired power plants hadn’t been invented yet. Think first.

February 10, 2017 11:15 am

Given the current deluge in C. and S. Kalifornia, you might have waited for next week’s updated map, which will show even more extensive “drought-free” white area.

February 10, 2017 11:16 am

Damn reality!!

February 10, 2017 11:24 am

I have lived in out of California since the 1960. Fortunately, my high school and college education took place outside of California where draft dodging hippie had not taken over the education system. Younger brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, and my two oldest children still live there.
It was not until 1980 when I got out of navy nuclear program and went to work for California companies in nuclear power to 1993 that I began to understand how clueless political leadership in California was. If you look at EIA data for hydropower production back to 1950, one out five years is a drought year.
The first year I was at Rancho Seco, there was a terrible flood. The next year they were draining the reservoirs to prevent flooding from the melting snowpack. Except there was a drought and the snowpack was minimal.
Drought years seem to correspond to very hot summers and higher demand for electricity. The year before closing Rancho Seco, the nuke plant was needed because hydro was down. The year it was closed, it was cooler and there was plenty of hydro. The nuke is not needed.
By the time of the 2000/2001, I had been Washington State for many years. However the company I worked for did have merchant fossil plants in California so I had inside information. California politicians were warned of the potential problems. Apparently it is easier to find someone to blame than be responsible and have a plan to mitigate the problems if they occur.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
February 10, 2017 12:12 pm

Like Governor Moonbeam scolding Californians for using much more water a few years ago than was projected in the 1990s without ever once mentioning that he had welcomed over 10 million illegals and their accompanying water needs.

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 12:31 pm

Agriculture uses lots of water and migrant workers.
I have no reason to believe that the legal status of immigrants has anything to with the supply of water.

Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 3:49 pm

The number of people determines the amount of water needed for drinking, cleaning, sewer, lawns, etc.
If there were no illegals that usage would be reduced.
And not all migrants are illegals.

NW sage
Reply to  harkin1
February 10, 2017 5:28 pm

re legal vs illegal immigrants – it is not valid to assume that, if the immigration system were effective, all those who are now here as illegals would also be in the same places if they came legally.

February 10, 2017 11:33 am

You know how the East coast of Oz is cranking up the aircons and dealing with heat wave conditions? Well over in the West it’s been raining just a bit-
Yes we remember one Climate Commissioner’s dire predictions-
obviously wagged poetry lessons and missed the scribblings of a talented schoolgirl that could look about her and appreciate the big picture a century ago without all today’s computers and BOM wizardry-

King of Cool
Reply to  observa
February 10, 2017 1:27 pm

And who could forget the King of climate forecasting comedy Tim Flannery’s dire prophesy back in 2004 that “Perth would be the 21st century’s first ghost metropolis” when drought was going to be the “new norm”. When will they ever learn?

Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 11:34 am

‘Droughts appear to be intensifying … as a result of … warming. …’
Looks like the {NYT was} wrong…again.

The air behind a cold front is noticeably colder and drier

(Source: )
Cooler air generally leads to drier air which leads to: drought.

Janice Moore
February 10, 2017 11:38 am

Moreover, CO2 not only does not cause drought, it is a GREAT REMEDY FOR DROUGHT:

… vegetation loves more carbon dioxide. It grows faster, is more drought-tolerant, and is more efficient in its water use. While the pre-industrial CO2 concentration of the atmosphere was only about 280 parts per million (ppm) by volume, and now it is around 380 ppm, some greenhouses pump it all the way up to around 1,000 ppm. How can environmentalists claim that helping vegetation to grow is a bad thing? … one of the most common forms of plankton actually grows faster and bigger when more CO2 is pumped into the water. …
The automatic assumption that mankind’s production of CO2 by burning of fossil fuels is bad for the environment needs to be critically examined. …– Dr. Roy Spencer …”

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February 10, 2017 12:36 pm

Paul Mathews: what exactly do those four **** stand for in your post above? 🙂

Reply to  Keith
February 10, 2017 12:49 pm

Keith ==> My guess? ….raud….

February 10, 2017 1:25 pm

“I grew up out there in southern California — hiking and camping all over the southwest, and believe me, …”
That sounds like a reason to not believe Kip and think he is clueless, I mean like totally man totally.
I am open to the possibility that that someone from California is not clueless. Just be cause I have not found any, the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Kip do have some other experience besides ‘growing up’ to support your position.

February 10, 2017 1:58 pm

California (and in general the American Southwest) is generally drought prone with years of feast and years of famine. This has been known since California was owned by Mexico. It is a good thing California has a good series of dams and well maintained reservoirs in order to catch heavy rains like they are having now.
Oh, wait…

February 10, 2017 2:05 pm

Not to pick in Kip, but I have noticed that the ‘locals’ are often the wrong people to ask about were they live when comes to the natural world.
The problem with picking people from Texas or West Virginia is that they have concealed weapons permits. Armed and dangerous.
Those from Southern California do not even know they are clueless. I am not saying you can not have fascinating conversations about fashion or fat shoppers at Walmart.
Gave new neighbors from Southern California a ride. They asked what the ice scarper was. Did not last the winter. Gave UVa CHP a ride after he put his 4wd in the ditch with a quarter inch of snow. He told me I could not make it the hill with my UV. Before dropping him off someplace warm, I asked if he was from Southern California. It is not that hard. I learned the first day behind the wheel. Of course there was not much choice unless I wanted to spring.

Michael Jankowski
February 10, 2017 3:04 pm

No accountability for fearmongering. No accountability for the climate scientists who were wrong. No accountability for the climate scientists who knew better but stayed quiet for the cause.

Michael Jankowski
February 10, 2017 3:08 pm
February 10, 2017 4:17 pm

Griff? Ohhhh, Griiii-iiiiif. There’s no polar bears here. You can comment!

Steve Oregon
February 10, 2017 5:08 pm

The Latest: California Retains Drought Measures
California has retained largely symbolic measures guiding water conservation during drought.
The move by the State Water Resources Board came Wednesday as the state has seen one of its wettest winters in years.
The board, which enacts regulations, relaxed its requirements last year, allowing local districts to set their own conservation measures.
Roughly 80 percent of those districts now say they have ample supplies and aren’t requiring residents to cut back on how often they water lawns and flush toilets.
However, board members decided to retain the measures at least until spring as a precaution against the return of dry weather.
Gov. Jerry Brown declared a drought emergency in 2014.

Steve Oregon
Reply to  Steve Oregon
February 10, 2017 5:10 pm
State Water Board Continues Water Conservation Regulations, Prohibitions Against Wasting Water
February 8, 2017 – Today the State Water Resources Control Board extended its existing water conservation regulations, which prohibit wasteful practices such as watering lawns right after rain and set a conservation mandate only for water suppliers that do not have enough water reserves to withstand three more dry years.
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Reply to  Steve Oregon
February 10, 2017 6:37 pm

Hmm, I wonder if the CA city I live in will repeal the recent water rate increases that they blamed on the residents who are conserving too much water and it affected their income?

Thomas Graney
February 10, 2017 5:12 pm

When I was a kid I used to have to walk uphill five miles to school through the drought. It was hell.

Reply to  Thomas Graney
February 10, 2017 7:34 pm

Times have changed somewhat-
According to these typical lefty victimhood media types you’d be the subject of a Royal Commission into child abuse nowadays but take consolation skimming through the comments that most of us are fed up with their crap.

February 10, 2017 6:57 pm

I don’t agree with the southern CA drought map. They have exceeded their rainfall for the year…let’s see some totals…

February 10, 2017 8:00 pm

I see someone has already mentioned The Very Wonderful Tim Flannery, and his prediction of permanent drought in Australia.
Not too long afterwards, Queensland became Lake Queensland, and huge chunks of NSW and Victoria were flooded as well.

Tom Dayton
February 10, 2017 8:41 pm

Our (California) underground aquifers are severely depleted. They were critical to us coping with the drought. Some contained water that was thousands of years old. Recharging them will take years, decades, centuries, or eons. They will not get us through the next drought. Also, our snowpack melts faster than it used to, and we cannot store nearly all that early meltwater. So the deep snowpack currently accumulated is not nearly as useful as it appears to outsiders. Therefore we must conserve our surface water reservoirs.

Sceptical lefty
February 10, 2017 9:11 pm

Just keep making predictions of disaster. Sooner or later, one of them is bound to come true (with, possibly, a little massaging) and the reputation of Science for comprehensive understanding of natural phenomena will be confirmed.
Oddly, this seems to work for astrologers and soothsayers, too. Coincidence?

J Mac
February 10, 2017 10:17 pm

Let’s see…..
It was wet until it went dry.
Then it was really dry…. until it rained and snowed a lot.
And the climate data says this has all happened before. Many times….
Linear Thinking In A Cyclical World – MaxPhoton

Curious George
Reply to  J Mac
February 11, 2017 7:47 am

Thinking? You are too generous.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
February 11, 2017 2:41 am

Shouldn’t the UN /IPCC be fining Californians for exceeding their drought allocation water resource? oh wait…

Mike Maguire
February 11, 2017 3:32 am

Perfect example of why climate models cannot predict climate…….which is the weather over long periods with any skill. They have some use in projecting long term temperatures if you give them the right equations and understand their limitations.
El Ninos iincrease odds of rain for California, yet this weak La Niña year is the one bombing that state with numerous heavy precipitation,events. El Ninos reflect the ocean temp in just one region of a massive Pacific Ocean. Often, like this year, the temperature profile in the Pacific outside of this small region dominates the flow pattern aimed at the US West Coast.

February 11, 2017 3:49 am

““Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,”
as it happens, at this moment it is snowing in London, UK.

February 11, 2017 8:12 am

The neighbors I have who have been echoing everyone from Gov. Moonbeam to the NYTimes to Bill Nye that the drought was now permanent have been strangely quiet since the holidays.
I said to one “This drought is relentless” and he seemed more angry that the CW was wrong than he was happy that we were getting much-needed water/snow in the state.

February 11, 2017 9:21 am

“I believe the Centralia plant is owned/operated by Transalta, not Seattle Power and Light. ”
NW Sage you are correct but what is your point. Seattle City Light did not shut down their coal plant and build renewable, they sold the plant and it is still running.

February 11, 2017 4:22 pm

“Droughts appear to be intensifying over much of the West and Southwest as a result of global warming.”
NO IDIOTS, California goes through periodic droughts because the southern part of the state is in the 4th largest DESERT on the planet. Add 25+ million people as water users with no increase storage capacity in my lifetime (63 years) and voila!
Good Grief!

Michael Jankowski
February 11, 2017 5:13 pm

SoCal evokes images of the concrete-paved channels of the LA River, which rushes stormwater (mixed with treated wastewater) out to sea instead of being retained. They should have goals of zero wastewater discharge and zero stormwater discharge from any areas that don’t directly sheet flow to the ocean. They act like they are the most environmentally proactive state, and they inexplicably fail when it comes to water resouces. So wasteful.

February 11, 2017 5:39 pm

Geez, California children don’t even know what gender they are. Let’s not confuse them more.

February 11, 2017 5:48 pm

Oh lookie … this happened today …
That’ll show ’em.

J Mac
Reply to  Max Photon
February 11, 2017 11:41 pm

….until man made tidal changes wash it away!
I couldn’t resist!!

David Ball
February 11, 2017 8:07 pm


Bill Parsons
February 12, 2017 1:40 pm

Colorado’s snowpack is still holding at 150 % of average. It is extraordinary that all 6 drainages, including the southern river valleys, are brimming in the same year, and for such a long time. The Colorado River, and the southern river systems are typically the ones eyeballed by the alarmists, since they feed the arid states below Colorado, and indeed present low numbers most of the time between El Ninos. I think It’s only these big, intermittent rain (snow) events racing across from the Pacific and dumping deep snow in the Rockies that nudge our decadal averages upward. Without El Ninos / La Ninas most of the south half of the state would look a lot drier than it does. The Colorado River is now at 149%. The San Miguel, Dolores, Animas and San Juan Rivers (considered all one system), is currently at a whopping 166% of average, and the Upper Rio Grande system, which drains out the south of the square, is reading 151%. These are very satisfying numbers, and only leave one wishing for more storage capacity.

February 15, 2017 5:05 pm

Patterns seem to be aligned to keep pumping moisture into SW.

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