Guest essay by Tom Barr
Central England Temperature stations, long considered a benchmark, have been affected by land use change and urbanisation
The answer is blindingly obvious, from above: they are all subject to considerable modern local urbanisation immediately to the North, including heated greenhouses designed to replicate a Mediterranean climate.
The Met Office relies upon just three weather stations to record the Central England Temperature: Stonyhurst (Lancashire), Pershore (Worcestershire) and Rothamsted (Hertfordshire). http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/about/archives
The Met Office averages these three temperatures and makes a 0.2 degrees C negative adjustment to compensate for the UHI effect. http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/
The Met Office has made this adjustment since 1974. Bizarrely, they don’t seem to know exactly why 1974 was chosen other than being able to speculate that “It was probably around then that the effects of urbanisation began to be noticed, although this date as chosen may be slightly arbitrary”[1].
But is this 0.2 degrees negative adjustment adequate for the three CET weather stations? I suggest it may not be:
All three weather stations have material modern urbanisation starting within 100 to 200 metres in their Northern quadrant, this development being associated with the rapidly expanding research and educational institutions which control the land on which they are sited. These institutions are often built around old country houses with formal gardens sited to their South in the UK, so their commonality of orientation is unsurprising.
Rothamsted Research (f/k/a Rothamsted Experimental Station) now shelters its weather station from the North winds and warms it up by modern buildings rapidly thrown up to the NNE:
Stoneyhurst College has expanded in the NNW, and now hugely shelters its weather station from the North winds and warms it up with new building and nearby tarmacadam ball sport courts:
Pershore College has gone a step further and covered the land immediately to the NNW with heated greenhouses https://www.warwickshire.ac.uk/colleges/pershore_college/facilities/pershore_development.aspx , car parks and new building, having a similar effect on the Pershore weather station as its two sister sites. Surely a greenhouse designed to enable “plants to flourish in a semi-Mediterranean climate” sited up wind of a weather station may have some effect?
It is not beyond the wit of man to postulate that these localised, specific effects might artificially inflate the recorded temperature. Increasing the data to a temperature not properly compensated for by the small 0.2 degrees C adjustment applied by the Met Office, thereby inflating the CET to a number more amenable to the Met Office and the IPCC.
This would particularly warm data recorded in colder temperatures, where winds are more likely to be from the North.
The Met Office plans to
“overhaul” its CET datasets during mid-2017. Included in this “overhaul” is a review as “to what adjustments have been made (e.g. urbanisation adjustments, and changes to allow for differing climatological characteristics between the different sites used over the years so as to avoid introducing any inhomogeneities)”.[2]
Not before time. The CET problem, from a birds eye view, is staring the Met Office in the face.
[1] Met Office EIR Response dated 23 January, 2017.
[2] Met Office EIR Response dated 23 January, 2017.
Letters from Met Offce: 0052166-barr (PDF)
Addendum: Here’s the 1945 urbanisation at Pershore: virtually nil:
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In fairness to the MET Office, the problem is fairly obvious. But that doesn’t help.
What is the MET Office meant to do about adjusting for UHI?
It can’t just say that measuring temperature is beyond them. That’s a large part if what it’s for.
And if they put out the honest error bars then the trend in the 20th century becomes insignificant. Which is pretty close to saying that measuring temperature is beyond them… for policy purposes.
No UHI adjustment is not as bad as adjusting now urban formerly rural stations hotter rather than cooler, as is US practice. We only learned that once the secret algore-ithms were dragged kicking and screaming out of NOAA and NASA thanks to FOIAing their posteriors.
I live in a what is considered a rural US town. Just 6,000 people in the 2010 census, up from 1,000 in the 1900 census. On very cold mornings in the winter it sometimes is 12 degrees Fahrenheit warmer in town than just one mile away outside of town. That’s some serious UHI for a tiny town of just 6,000 people. But that UHI is not a constant 12 degrees F, other days I see 10 degrees, 5, 2, or 0. How does one adjust for that correctly?
Jared,
The best method is no adjustments at all. Use only the best sites, which have always been rural and well situated and maintained.
Since your town hasn’t grown much, its UHI effect might be limited, except that now it has heating and cooling systems and cars that it didn’t in 1900.
The adjustment code of noaa was released before any request or foia. For nasa Hansen released the code after public pressure from steve mcintyre and yours truely
Steven,
NOAA also had to be pressured to release their book cooking algore-ithms.
“What is the MET Office meant to do about adjusting for UHI”
It’s fairly obvious. Don’t adjust for UHI because any such adjustment is just a guess and introduces political biases.
Move the measurement equipment so it isn’t affected by UHI.
How about leaving the original station where it is, and then place a new station that is sited better. Then the two sites could be studied in order to reach a better understanding of UHI. That would be highly informative, imo.
Goldminor, that is the best answer, as long as they keep to the same elevation it would provide good data.
But everybody knows there are degrees of UHI (pun intended) just by listening to any weather forecast.
As Jared says it varies, I would suggest depending mostly on the wind strength, but like all things to do with climate measurement you can only deal in max, mins & averages.
goldminor
As AC Osborne says – a very good answer.
It would be nice to have more sites, located clear of any current [or known future] UHI.
Perhaps seven. But a long overlap, to gain the most we can from the re-siting.
On another note, and referencing Pershore’s greenhouses; heating them is expensive, so I assume that they will have some insulations designed to cut heat out-pouring.
They will still be warmer than their environs, certainly.
Auto
Perhaps we should ask what Gordon Manley did to constructed the original record up to 1973. It was a complex homogenization that included the use of records outside central England. From what Tony Barr says, the adjustments since Manley retirement have been remarkably simple.
To get some idea of the complexity of the construction to 1973, read Manley’s 1953 and 1974 papers. Otherwise, take a look at this schematic for the similarly complex homogenization he did for the ‘Lancashire’ record:
https://enthusiasmscepticismscience.wordpress.com/global-temperature-graphs/#jp-carousel-1347
If Manley were still alive, I am sure he could have introduced a similar process to adjust for UHI. It is one thing to ask whether Manley’s homogenization worked, but what this post suggests is that the line after 1973 is a different thing altogether. The MET Office response to the question of Why 1974? suggests that at least that staffer has no idea about the construction of the graph.
Of course, there are other ramifications to the contention of the post-1973 record: the magnitude of the modern warming can be directly compared with Lamb’s extension back the other way to 1000 AD with it impressive medieval warming. This is that famous graph use in IPCC FAR and which many sceptics (eg Tim Ball) put forward as a fair schematic for the generalized (global?) trend.
I spoke at length with Hubert Lamb about Manley’s work. Lamb knew Manley quite well and they discussed historic temperatures a great deal. My questions were many, including how Manley adjusted or dealt with the myriad site problems, varying times of observation, and different instruments each with there own inconsistencies. There were also the problems of linking together records of varying lengths from some distance apart.
Lamb told me Manley did not disclose much detail to him and, as those have read the papers know, he is not very forthcoming in them either – hence my questions to Lamb. We concluded that Manley’s work was valuable in that it confronted the problems of homogenizing a number of records of different lengths from different locations and provided a general pattern of temperature change over time in the area of central England. In broad general terms it appeared to suggest a relative homogeneity in the trends.
It appeared that Manley applied as much vigour as possible under the circumstances but failed to disclose most of what he did. These are not criticisms of Manley because his work was pioneering in so many ways and therfore without the knowledge and experience of others. His work and Lambs explanations helped me considerably in my historic reconstructions.
Personally, I consider the CET as an interesting record, but lacking the reliability and consistencies required to be considered scientific. Of course, the bizarre situation is that under the IPCC rule of one station having a 1200 km radius applicability, you only need one of the stations to cover the multitude of limitations. Manley’s work at least shows the fallacy of that claim. As in all things weather and climate they have regressed since Manley.
Tim, yes 1200Km, about 700+ miles, so the weather in Landsend is supposedly the same as John O Groats (603 miles), what utter stupidity.
Why only 0.2 degrees C for UHI? Look at any BBC Weather Forecast and there are temperature forecast figures on the Forecast Charts representing forecast temperatures at each location throughout the UK. Then the weatherman says: but in rural areas temperatures will be 1-2 degrees C cooler.
Yet they are using the same weather stations, with this crude average “adjustment” for UHI to provide temperature data for their computer models and long range climate projections, where they are saying a general temperature increase of only 0.15 degrees centigrade per decade (2 degrees centigrade rise by 2100) will occur given current CO2 rises and even that is after massive reductions from past forecasts of the sensitivity, i.e. the temperature rise for doubling of CO2 levels made to make the models fit what is recorded.
Then somehow determine and deduct temperature rises due to the man made non-CO2 inputs, and the very many natural phenomena which act generate CO2 or otherwise affect temperatures. Then and only then can you plot a man-made CO2 driven temperature rise v. temperature rise as needed for the forecast future temperatures. With this will come error bands as wide as the graph paper it’s plotted on or, at least, far wider than the forecast future temperature rise!
And we are preached at and pressurised continuously to cut CO2 levels, disregarding the known benefits, and forced to pay out £billions in additional Energy costs resulting from their Green Energy dogma and religion based on the above “data” and “science”!
An investment analysis out of the nursery and the economics of the madhouse!
I thought they were always at airports now. The MEP office usually tell us that the temperature was taken from near Heathrow !!!!!
The quick answer is definitely.
A) The glass panels reflect light.
B) Greenhouses are kept to certain temperatures during nights and all day during winter/fall/spring.
Surely a quick comparison to the nearest un-affected recording station should show up as good as a usable approximate correction figure?
Is there anything nearby that could be used to give us a clue?
Is there anything nearby that could be used to give us a clue?
Not any more…. they have all been adjusted and homogenized to match the CET official records. Their raw records lost or destroyed
/sarc (but not by much)
Interesting post. Only way to know what adjustments are appropriate woild be another site in the same region without these developments. IF there is one. Certainly the uncertainty/error needs to be widened. Perhaps at least trendwise a narrow aperture UAH/RSS might hint at corrections.
The whole surface record is not fit for climate purpose. Site problems. Then large areas with no data like central Africa. Then no reliable untrade route biased SST until ARGO.
and no data for most of the Arctic and Antarctic … 🙂
this is what they do.
there was a WUWT post years ago about a method that is used to adjust data.
you take a temp station.
you look for two nearby stations.
if those two are trending upward more than the first, you assume the first should be trending upward, as well,
you adjust the first upward.
you have now “corrected” the temperature of that first station.
this is a mix of empiricism and a reasonable approach for addressing suspected error.
now, to make the planet warming, you just need to find a bunch of temp stations where two nearby stations have had temp trends rising more than that one.
That is nothing like what they do.
There are about 15000 stations world wide with no built up area and no population within 10km of the site. Africa is well covered as well.
Steven,
And as you know because I have told you and because might expect it intuitively, the further the remote stations are from the hand of man, the poorer the data quality. I did this, you will recall, for some 40 remote ‘pristine’ sites in sparsely populated Australia. 40 years of post-1975 daily data crunched for Tmax and Tmin. I have posted the spreadsheets on public blogs many times, but never once had a significant, scientific inquiry back. Maybe it is close to truth and truth hurts, so look away???
The outcome was that noise was too severe to allow useful deductions for om this search about UHI. As a little joke I correlated site temperature linear trends against some other variables like lat and long, even got a reasonable correlation with World Meteorological Number for the stations.
How many other tests are needed to show that the historic land records are unfit for homogenisation, unfit for model input, unfit for informing public policy and unfit to be claimed as scientific evidence of much more than noise?
What more can I do? Claim that HRC agreed with me in pillow talk?
Geoff
Geoff,
Exquisitely put!
Possibly the HRC aside was – ummm – below the belt, but the fact remains that so many data items, although generally made by well-intentioned folk, trying the best they can with good [for the time] instruments, are not up to modern standards of accuracy.
I did it as Officer of the Watch on sea-going ships; full Voluntary Observing Ships.
I have got most of our Fleet contributing, too, now.
But I am aware of the limitations . . . . . . . .
There is data. Probably of modest to low value.
That said, where one person, one instrument has given data over – say – 10 years, although 20, or 30 would be better, that place does have something – a trend.
If they exist, take several in an area [London. Lancashire. France. Africa. Whatever.] and see if – with error bands – a more widespread trend can be discerned.
And – if you have a tame statistician – whether it is statistically significant.
The original data should not be thrown away.
Any ‘results’ need to explained. And any adjustments need to be very fully documented.
This, I am sure, is Meteorology and Climate 101 for most of the readers of this v. special site.
But, possibly, it needs saying.
Auto
The author mentions that the coldest Northerly winds are likely to be most affected, but the prevailing winds in this part of the world are South-westerly. Thus the heating effect may be less than feared for most days ?
Harold,hus the heating effect may be less than feared for most days ? Take a wag at what days they will use?
Tom
I use CET in my own reconstructions of historic temperatures, currently to 1538
The met office are very helpful. I have met with David parker there who compiled Hadley CET to 1772 following on from manleys work to 1660. He subsequently sent me a variety of PDF’s regarding the location of the stations. I also met with Richard betts and have looked at Records in both the library and archives.
Britain is a small place. Arguably with a population of sixty million crammed into a space the size of new York state, it could be argued the whole of our island Is potentially affected by uhi for the last century and allowance needs to be made for this, especially over the last few decades
Ringway was the most obviously affected station beyond the 0.2 allowed for by the met office. I suspect that a substantially greater amount should therefore have been allowed for and this may have lowered the peak we saw in cet at the turn of the century.
Hubert lamb once said about historic reconstructions that ‘we can understand the tendency but not the precision’ in other words it allows us to see the general trend but we should not expect to be able to parse temperatures to fractions of a degree.
Tonyb
Britain is a lot bigger than NY State. It’s between Kansas and Nebraska in size. You might be thinking of England. But without Wales, England is smaller than NY. Closer to Louisiana or Mississippi.
Ringway does not appear in the modern CET it seems, post a 1989 study that identified the UHI. I am no expert, but even to the layman used to seeing the outside temp recorded by his car fall quite a few degrees immediately he leaves town into the sticks, a 1/5 of a degree UHI haircut constantly applied since 1974 appears inadequate in the extreme.
Tom,
A crucial point.
Many [most?] cars now have the ‘outside’ temperature facility.
So when people notice a two, three, four – or more – degree difference [F or C] between ‘town’ and ‘country’, and there is a ‘haircut’ of 0.2 – folk will laugh.
The less well intentioned will explain that it is all part of the great watermelon con.
Auto
Tony,
The objection to UHI is that temperatures measured there are not representative of the region. Not that it represents deviation from some ideal state of nature. It seems to me that CET may in fact be representative of the region, UHI and all. You can only measure what is.
“You can only measure what is.”
So get rid of glacial rebound adjustments, Nick.
or heaven forbid use raw data?
This comment is not like you at all.
I take the point that the distribution of stations is neither random or uniform, and thus may provide a net bias towards urban areas, so that some station temperatures may need to be adjusted down to remove this bias. But am I the only one here thinking that at the end of the day, any contribution of the UHI effect is in fact another direct forcing (small though it may be in terms of the overall climate)?
Dave,
Most of earth is not urbanized, yet a hugely disparate portion of stations are in areas that have urbanized since AD 1850. The oceans, polar regions and much of the rural and even urban tropical and temperate zones are poorly sampled or have badly sited and functioning stations.
Thus UHI and other land use change adjustments are needed meaningfully to compare 2017 with 1850. Unless you use only rural stations which haven’t moved and have good continuous records.
Disproportionate.
As an aside on the time series given by the Met Office Hadley Centre, the yearly average calculated from the monthly data appears to have consistently small positive bias.
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/data/download.html
See Monthly_HadCET_mean.txt, 1659 to date (32 Kb)
Example 1659 (all data in centigrade)
Jan = 3
Feb = 4
Mar = 6
Apr = 7
May = 11
Jun = 13
Jul = 16
Aug = 16
Sep = 13
Oct = 10
Nov = 5
Dec = 2
Quoted CET average value 8.87C
Calculated average value 8.833C
Example 2016 (all data in centigrade)
Jan = 5.4
Feb = 4.9
Mar = 5.8
Apr = 7.5
May = 12.5
Jun = 15.2
Jul = 16.9
Aug =17.0
Sep = 16
Oct = 10.9
Nov = 5.6
Dec = 6.0
Quoted CET average value 10.34C
Calculated average value 10.308C
The worst error is 1947 (Quoted is 0.075 higher than calculated). The average yearly error over the entire time series in +0.03C.
I leave it to the reader to check this themselves, and to understand why the supplied data set has a small annual positive bias on the yearly total.
mynaturaldiary,
I get the numbers you calculated when I take a simple average of the 12 numbers in each series (i.e. add twelve numbers and divide by twelve).
But all of these are not weighted the same due to varying number of days in the respective months. Taking the sum of the products of monthly average x number of days, then dividing by 365 yields the CET averages shown in your post. I believe you are not weighting each monthly value appropriately. More months in the summer with 31 days is where the “small annual positive bias” comes from relative to your calculations, I believe.
Bruce
Well, now that I did that math, I can see Woobblog, already said basically the same thing below. Should have read ahead a bit before posting, sorry the the duplicate.
It looks that they calculated the average annual temp by correcting for the numbers of days in the month, rather than treating the months as equal for averaging purposes. This would give a wight for 31 day months as .0.08493150685 vs a weight for Feb (non Leap year) as 0.07671232877. Using 1659 as an example, their average accords with this.
My results 1659 were:
Calculated average assuming all months have equal weight: 8.833333333
Calculated average using monthly data weighted by number of days: 8.865753425
And who says that there isn’t a greenhouse effect in Britain??
As an aside on the time series given by the Met Office Hadley Centre, the yearly average calculated from the monthly data appears to have consistently small positive bias.
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/data/download.html
See Monthly_HadCET_mean.txt, 1659 to date (32 Kb)
Example 1659 (all data in centigrade)
Jan = 3
Feb = 4
Mar = 6
Apr = 7
May = 11
Jun = 13
Jul = 16
Aug = 16
Sep = 13
Oct = 10
Nov = 5
Dec = 2
Quoted CET average value 8.87C
Calculated average value 8.833C
Example 2016 (all data in centigrade)
Jan = 5.4
Feb = 4.9
Mar = 5.8
Apr = 7.5
May = 12.5
Jun = 15.2
Jul = 16.9
Aug =17.0
Sep = 16
Oct = 10.9
Nov = 5.6
Dec = 6.0
Quoted CET average value 10.34C
Calculated average value 10.308C
The worst error is 1947 (Quoted is 0.075 higher than calculated). The average yearly error over the entire time series is +0.03C.
I leave it to the reader to check this themselves, and to understand why the supplied data set has a small annual positive bias on the yearly average.
Pretty simple. You averaged the mean of monthly figures, not accounting that different months have different number of days, so the correct annual mean is to average all 365 days, not average out the mean of 12 monthly numbers. If you do that you come to exactly the Met Office number. No conspiracy here!
The small positive bias being obviously due to February being the shortest, but one of the coldest, months. February 1947 was a record cold month, that’s why the effect is pronounced.
It’s should be OBVIOUS to all that all across the world the ground temperature record has been fully corrupted by the urban heat effect, making that record completely worthless.
Add to that the disappearing rural stations, and the constant data manipulations that with rare exception always cools the past or warms the present.
I think results were affected, but it’s a bit over the top to say that UHE made all observations worthless. maybe thats a bit of catastrophisation from the sceptic camp?
Its OBVIOUS to all Gareth.
Except Mc Clod, of course.
Nothing is obvious to McClod unless it supports the AGW meme.
tony mcleod,
As I indicate above, answering an earlier post, but before reading down to your post, there is data.
See Auto January 30, 2017 at 1:01 pm
It may not be precise. But it may have some modest value.
Auto
Here’s another UK weather phenomenon. 3/4 of a million snowflakes have signed a petition in the last 12 hours to ban Trump from the UK until he stops his bans on refugees and Muslims. Looks like a blizzard approaching. Parliament are obliged to debate this. Prince Charles will not meet with Trump, neither will many senior politicians.
I believe that the signatories – who obviously didn’t follow the US Presidential Election, and so completely missed Candidate Trump’s proposals/pledges/promises, which he is now following up on, as per . . . . – are approaching 1.5 million. About 6-7% are from outside the UK [although may still be British, of course].
BBC leads on this on the Internet, with ‘thousands join anti-Trump protests’, of course.
Meanwhile, some important news is that ‘The Future of Gin is safe’.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38802397
Auto
Back in the ‘old days ‘ before settled science weather stations with such problems where accepted as in the end weather prediction was a bit ‘hit and miss ‘ therefore such problems did not really matter , the same reason that airport weather sites where used a despite then where intend to provide information for aircraft movements at the airfield ,which can be very different to the surrounding area , and not to be used for a much wider area .
So what changed post ‘settled science’ , well when it came to all these problems nothing actually oddly despite the vast amount of money throw at the area and the importance of this data being correct all the old problems remain with some new ones thrown in . The real difference was ‘models ‘ the idea that by throwing enough computing power at the issues you could overcome them rather than remove them , so what is the problem with this . While the simply answer they had no clear idea of what the problems were , not the size or direction of the effect and so when ‘modeling ‘ they in effected used ‘guess work ‘ to allow for this and as long has the models give them the results they ‘wanted ‘ the models were consider ‘good ‘
The problem then becomes that reality does not follow the models and hence the need to ‘adjust reality ‘ when it give results that were not ‘wanted ‘
Even now with all computing power they can throw at it , the situation remains that they cannot give a weather forecast worth a dam for more then 72 hours ahead to any better level than ‘in summer it is hotter than in winter’ think abut the next time they claim they ‘know ‘ what the temperature will be 50 years ahead to two decimal places .
I dio not see it. The locations in those pictures look marvellous compared to Mr Watts American survey.
Agreed that that there are more extreme individual examples to be found (such as air con units exhausting over a weather station), but we are talking about the ENTIRITY of the modern CET locations here; all three of them. Check out the 1945 aerial for Pershore: 52° 6’0.09″N; 2° 3’35.88″W. No greenhouses, hardly anything – other than a single partially heated house located 350 metres away.
So they actually believe that UHI is a constant and they apply it uniformly after 1974? They actually believe that they’re has been no increase in UHI since then??? What’s the British term for bonkers?
“They” are so stupid because we are so on top of this.
Bear
“So they actually believe that UHI is a constant and they apply it uniformly after 1974?”
_____________________
No. Better to follow the links than rely on the essay author’s interpretation. From the essay author’s link to the Met Office page (my emphasis):-
“Since 1974 the data have been adjusted to allow for urban warming: ‘CURRENTLY’ a correction of -0.2 °C is applied to mean temperatures.”
Follow the further link to the peer reviewed paper by Parker and Horton, 2005, where they state:
“The urbanization adjustments were expressed as linear trends and extrapolated forwards in time. They were zero for each calendar month until 1980, when they became −0.1°C in May, June and July; they reached −0.2°C in all calendar months by 2003…”
So the UHI adjustments are on a sliding scale, based on increasing urbanisation. They may be due an update, but based on the aerial photographs above, it seems unlikely that the current -0.2C will change much.
Recommend they use Satellites for large areas, these are likely fine for locals…People who are really interested in precision have in their homes their own thermometers as they know temps can be quite different just a few KM away..
The UHI effect is real heat, and part of the true temperature record. The way I see it, any adjustment to it is no different than NASA adjusting the past.
Central England is a big place. The temp stations are not placed for most representative coverage of the geography, but for ease of daily reading. So, they are a short, to-the-mailbox, walk from a place where someone lives or works. Those places are also prone to have more buildings nearby, as years and decades go by. This is why the temp stations are not representative of the temp of “Central England.”
My air conditioning unit senses and displays the temp at a central spot in my home. That spot is fairly representative of my home. If I put thermometers at every window, only, those would poorly reflect the general temp in my home. But the window-located temp stations could easily be read from the outside.
“…what adjustments have been made (e.g. urbanisation adjustments…”
Anybody that thinks it appropriate to change the data to correct a bad measurement instead of fixing the measurement system needs to have responsibility for taking measurements removed from them and given to somebody competent.
All measures have error. In some cases, the error can be corrected. Bessel and personal equation…
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-for-the-history-of-science/article/div-classtitleconstant-differences-friedrich-wilhelm-bessel-the-concept-of-the-observer-in-early-nineteenth-century-practical-astronomy-and-the-history-of-the-personal-equationdiv/E3A2A9F53AF3ECE4D44D1B37D8EE8544
Tom –
Please humouir me by confirming what you just said –
(1) That CET derives from 3 stations only
(2) That a 1-off UHI of -0,2 C is applied from 1974 onwards to all three.
And that’s all.
CET is touted as the most reliable long-term record in the world, and one that I have taken as largely unchallengeable.
This can’t be right? Did I miss something?
It is right, and it is certainly challengeable. Like almost everything else in “climate science”, it has become ideologically motivated garbage pretending to be science.
CET derives from more than 3 stations. Obviously.
This article claims that UHI adjustments to the CRT for UHI derive from only 3 stations.
Don’t know if that is true but it is plausible. The 3 stations are around the edge of the area covered by the CET.
It seems 3 only
http://catalogue.ceda.ac.uk/uuid/a946415f9345f6da9bf4c475c19477b6
cites 3 Datasets only.
No, you didn’t miss anything; The Modern CET is derived so, and that’s the adjustment made, according to the MET Office, as I understand it, in my ignorance. References are in the piece. Yeah, I know. You can’t make this sh*t up. While I am on, please may I extend apologies on behalf of the British Nation for the idiocy of our Prince Charles. Not his fault – I blame inbreeding, sycophancy and free flowing taxpayer funds. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
The pompous, puffed-up, jug-eared ignoramus buffon is a walking argument for republicanism.
Buffoon.
Just finished an article on 18th century biology.
Apology accepted for your Clown Prince. Our apologies for 8 years of Obummer.
And yours accepted graciously too, albeit I would like to unreservedly thank Mr. Obama from the bottom of heart for arrogantly talking down to us about the desirability of the EU; this undoubtedly swung the Brexit vote the right way.
The guy lives in a lyrical world of his own, and hasn’t a clue about how the real world works, but because he talks slowly and affects the air of a countryman sage, he fools a lot of our kindly, trusting folk
Yes, his UK Beexit intervention was a particularly painful and embarassing episode for us Yanks.
Thanks, Tom
I do have an interest in this and I’ve been trying to figure out a few things which don’t quite add up, relating to the biological record. Maybe if I hadn’t taken CET as gospel. all would be clearer.
By the way, Rothamsted has a long history (back to mid 19th century) and I think Stonyhurst is a very old establishment indeed, though I don’t know how long the weather site has remained unchanged. Pershore College seems to be a very recent foundation (1950s)
Stonyhurst may be the least changed, but even there, there is some development over the CET record. What we can say for certain is that its energy use will have changed out of all recognition since the CET inception, which is bound to affect its surroundings. Agreed: Pershore was effectively a greenfield site and is now covered in hot houses, and Rothamsted now has numerous very modern buildings despite a long history.
It beggars belief that so much money is spent on weather data gathering and climate modelling, and yet when it comes to compensating for a known cause of inaccuracy, a figure appears to be conjured out of thin air and then applied in blanket fashion to readings from a number of widely located data sources.
The compensation is applied crudely. It acknowledges the cause (urban encroachment), but it is deemed sufficient to apply it to all locations equally, and in a step fashion, whereas experience would suggest that the effect would increase over time at rates which will be both variable in each location, and differing between locations.
Furthermore, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that UHI effects can be whole numbers of degrees – heavens, over the last week even the BBC has been telling me on every weather forecast that temperatures in the contryside will be degrees lower than in towns.
This cavalier approach to temperature corrections makes a mockery of the claims that there is clear evidence of a warming world.
Yep, and those multiple integer digit urban/countryside difference figures on the BBC will be derived (for now) from the same Met Office that pretends a 0.2 degree adjustment does the job for the CET. No, you can’t make this up.
Yet such is the infantile state of “climate science” on which trillions in treasure have been squandered and billions of lives put at risk.
Wladimir Köppen, in 1884, proposed using vegetation boundaries (ecotones) to map climates. That made good sense but was very difficult given the lack of SUVs and satellites. Now that both things are available, climate researchers should return to the better way.
Its worse than we thought……
Stoneyhurst is a new addition to the CET temperature record. It replaced Squires Gate and Ringway, because these sites had some – errr – reliability issues. Squires Gate is actually Blackpool airport, while Ringway is a hard stand next to the jet-engine testing bays in the middle of Manchester International Airport.
So about ten or so years ago, these sites were closed and the monitoring moved to Stoneyhurst. Now this was a good idea, because Stoneyhurst has the longest continuous temperature record in the world. But what did they do to the CET dataset? Did they ditch the previous Squires-Gate-Ringway dataset, and use all the Stoneyhurst data. Or did they just merge the newer Stoneyhurst data (2005 onwards) onto the previous Squires-Gate-Ringway data?
I did ask, but did not get a reply. And this does make a difference. For the CET to claim itself to be the longest (and most reliable) temperature record, they should really have remade the entire dataset using Stonehurst data.
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So it really is worse than we thought.
Ruud,
Need to keep the grant monies flowing.
Above all else.
Increasing if necessary.
Trump?
Ummm.
Ahhhh . . . . Ohhhh . . ??
We live in interesting – and possibly uncomfortable – times.
Not many folk didn’t.
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If the CET record is significantly contaminated by UHI it must be possible to find a temperature record some place – either within the CE region itself or else nearby which contradicts the recent CET trend. I haven’t managed to find one yet and I know the region pretty well.
For example, the Valentia Observatory is in a remote location off the south west coast of Ireland. The decadal trends over the last century of CET and Valentia are within a couple of hundredths of a degree of each other..
Has anyone tried checking the trend against satellite data? Select only coordinates above the area in interest and then compare the trend. If they are comparable then UHI is probably not a major problem.
Are you sure?
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/wmo03529-pershore/
When I was investigating this I discounted this location as it appears to be incorrect.