Studies worry: Is Greenland on thin ice?

How much of Greenland's ice melted during past periods of global warming? Two first-of-their-kind studies in Nature look much deeper into the history of Greenland than previous techniques allowed. One of the studies, led by University of Vermont geologist Paul Bierman, concludes that East Greenland -- like the coastal scene shown in this image from near Tasiilaq -- has been actively scoured by glacial ice for much of the last 7.5 million years. The other study presents contrasting results suggesting the disappearance of the ice sheet over the center of Greenland during at least some of the Pleistocene. The two studies improve our understand of Greenland's deep past, while raising questions about both the past and future of its giant ice sheet in a changing climate. CREDIT Joshua Brown/UVM
How much of Greenland’s ice melted during past periods of global warming? Two first-of-their-kind studies in Nature look much deeper into the history of Greenland than previous techniques allowed. One of the studies, led by University of Vermont geologist Paul Bierman, concludes that East Greenland — like the coastal scene shown in this image from near Tasiilaq — has been actively scoured by glacial ice for much of the last 7.5 million years. The other study presents contrasting results suggesting the disappearance of the ice sheet over the center of Greenland during at least some of the Pleistocene. The two studies improve our understand of Greenland’s deep past, while raising questions about both the past and future of its giant ice sheet in a changing climate. CREDIT Joshua Brown/UVM

From the UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT

Greenland on thin ice?

Two studies in Nature open deep history of Greenland’s ice sheet — and raise new questions about its stability

The ice sheet covering Greenland is four times bigger than California — and holds enough water to raise global sea-level more than twenty feet if most of it were to melt. Today, sea levels are rising and the melting of Greenland is a major contributor. Understanding how fast this melting might proceed is a pressing question for policymakers and coastal communities.

To make predictions about the future of the ice sheet, scientists have tried to understand its past, hoping to glean what the ice was doing millions of years ago when the Earth was three or more degrees Fahrenheit warmer than it is now. But our understanding of the ice sheet’s complex behavior before about 125,000 years ago has been fragmentary at best.

Now, two first-of-their-kind studies provide new insight into the deep history of the Greenland Ice Sheet, looking back millions of years farther than previous techniques allowed. However, the two studies present some strongly contrasting evidence about how Greenland’s ice sheet may have responded to past climate change–bringing new urgency to the need to understand if and how the giant ice sheet might dramatically accelerate its melt-off in the near future.

The two new studies were published in the journal Nature on December 8, including one led by University of Vermont geologist Paul Bierman.

In the Video: Paul Bierman, a geologist at the University of Vermont and his colleagues –f rom UVM, Boston College, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and Imperial College London–wanted to develop a better understanding of the ancient history of the huge ice sheet that covers Greenland, like this portion of the ice sheet shown from a helicopter on a Bierman-led expedition there. The team studied deep cores of ocean-bottom mud containing bits of bedrock that eroded off of the east side of Greenland. Their results show that East Greenland has been actively scoured by glacial ice for much of the last 7.5 million years–and indicate that the ice sheet on the eastern flank of the island has not completely melted for long, if at all, in the past several million years. Their field-based data also suggest that during major climate cool-downs in the past several million years, the ice sheet expanded into previously ice-free areas, “showing that the ice sheet in East Greenland responds to and tracks global climate change,” Bierman says. “The melting we are seeing today may be out of the bounds of how the Greenland ice sheet has behaved for many millions of years.” CREDIT Joshua Brown/UVM

ICE ON THE EAST

Bierman and four colleagues — from UVM, Boston College, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and Imperial College London — studied deep cores of ocean-bottom mud containing bits of bedrock that eroded off of the east side of Greenland. Their results show that East Greenland has been actively scoured by glacial ice for much of the last 7.5 million years–and indicate that the ice sheet on this eastern flank of the island has not completely melted for long, if at all, in the past several million years. This result is consistent with existing computer models.

Their field-based data also suggest that during major climate cool-downs in the past several million years, the ice sheet expanded into previously ice-free areas, “showing that the ice sheet in East Greenland responds to and tracks global climate change,” Bierman says. “The melting we are seeing today may be out of the bounds of how the Greenland ice sheet has behaved for many millions of years.”

Since the data the team collected only came from samples off the east side of Greenland, their results don’t provide a definitive picture of the whole Greenland ice sheet. But their research, with support from the National Science Foundation, provides strong evidence that “an ice sheet has been in East Greenland pretty much continuously for seven million years,” says Jeremy Shakun, a geologist at Boston College who co-led the new study. “It’s been bouncing around and dynamic–but it’s been there nearly all the time.”

CONTRASTING RESULTS

The other study in Nature–led by Joerg Schaefer of Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and Columbia University, and colleagues — looked at a small sample of bedrock from one location beneath the middle of the existing ice sheet and came to what appears to be a different conclusion: Greenland was nearly ice-free for at least 280,000 years during the middle Pleistocene — about 1.1 million years ago. This possibility is in contrast to existing computer models.

“These results appear to be contradictory — but they may not be,” UVM’s Bierman says. He notes that both studies have “some blurriness,” he says, in what they are able to resolve about short-term changes and the size of the ancient ice sheet. “Their study is a bit like one needle in a haystack,” he says, “and ours is like having the whole haystack, but not being sure how big it is.”

That’s because Schaefer and colleagues’ data comes from a single point in the middle of Greenland, pointing to a range of possible scenarios of what happened in the past, including several that challenge the image of Greenland being continuously covered by an extensive ice sheet during the Pleistocene. In contrast, Bierman and colleagues’ data provides a record of continuous ice sheet activity over eastern Greenland but can’t distinguish whether this was because there was a remnant in East Greenland or whether the ice sheet remained over the whole island, fluctuating in size as the climate warmed and cooled over millions of years.

“It’s quite possible that both of these records are right for different places,” Bierman says. “Both of these studies apply a similar innovative technique and let us look much farther into the past than we have been able to before.”

NEW METHOD

Both teams of scientists used, “a powerful new tool for Earth scientists,” says Dylan Rood, a scientist at Imperial College London and a co-author on the Bierman-led study: isotopes within grains of quartz, produced when bedrock is bombarded by cosmic rays from space. The isotopes come into being when rock is at or near Earth’s surface — but not when it’s buried under an overlying ice sheet. By looking at the ratio of two of these cosmic-ray-made elements — aluminum-26 and beryllium-10 caught in crystals of quartz, and measured in an accelerator mass spectrometer — the scientists were able to calculate how long the rocks in their samples had been exposed to the sky versus covered by ice.

This isotope technique has been used for several decades for measuring land-based erosion, but this is its first application to ocean core samples, said Lee Corbett, a postdoctoral researcher at UVM and co-author with Bierman. “This has never been attempted with marine sediments,” she says. Their results overcome a basic problem of trying to discern the deep history of ice from bedrock: every time an ice sheet retreats and then grows back, it scours away the bedrock and the isotope record of its own past. “It’s hard to discern an ice sheet’s cycles on land because it destroys the evidence,” she says, “but it dumps that evidence in the oceans, archived in layers on the bottom.”

Now Corbett, Shakun, and others are applying this isotope technique to additional cores taken from around the coast of Greenland to get a more complete and in-focus picture of the whole ice sheet’s long history. And they have already applied the new isotope technique far beyond Greenland–particularly in exploring the much larger, more mysterious ice sheets covering Antarctica.

“These two apparently conflicting — but not necessarily conflicting — studies in Nature really force the issue that we don’t know enough about how ice sheets work over deep time,” Bierman says. “We must recognize the importance of advancing polar science to understand how our world works. And, right now, because we’re pumping huge plumes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, we really need to know how our world works.”

The dynamics of Antarctica’s giant ice sheet is full of questions and the disastrous potential. “But there’s enough sea-level rise tied-up in Greenland alone to put a lot of cities and long stretches of coastline underwater,” says Paul Bierman, “including Donald Trump’s property in Florida.”

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Ivor Ward
December 9, 2016 2:04 am

Surely to melt ice you need more than a few degrees of global warming. Latent heat folks. It takes more energy than we have to actually melt all that stuff.

MarkW
Reply to  Ivor Ward
December 9, 2016 9:51 am

Not relevant. The energy needed to melt the ice is constantly being replaced by the sun.
What matters is the actual temperature.

Bill Illis
December 9, 2016 2:20 am

I don’t know, from the studies which were measuring similar isotopes, I don’t see a very good correlation in the AL26/Be10 measurements versus the other comparative stats we have like the dO18 isotopes from near-by ocean cores. The AL26/Be10 data appears to have really wide error margins and is not a good indicator.
I would stick with the dO18 history shown in panel “d” in this large image from one of the studies which is also backed-up by sea level estimates panel “e” (versus their estimates shown in the top 3 panels “a, b, c”)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v540/n7632/images/nature20147-sf4.jpg
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David B
December 9, 2016 3:44 am

How is everyone enjoying their cold fusion powered cars?
Lol.
I always find it hilarious when people put ANY weight to a few scientists using some new method to come to a conclusion..

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  David B
December 9, 2016 4:49 am

A foregone at that.

MarkW
Reply to  David B
December 9, 2016 9:53 am

Please criticize the method itself.
Not everything new is invalid. If that were the case we’d still by driving horse drawn buggies.

Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2016 5:57 pm

“… we’d still by driving horse drawn buggies.”
Speak for yourself … I would have happily given up my horses, for walking, to save New York (20 feet), London (9 feet), and the rest of the world from the great depths of manure that would have piled up in the streets.
Damn stubborn manure deniers (like you) would have just kept on letting your horses poop in the streets; not caring that linear extrapolation of the recently measured shit piles would surely lead to Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Gutter Waste that would reach the third story windows (you & your damn greedy capitalist fourth story friends don’t care at all about the rest of us).
We’re all just very lucky that the urban planners recognized the problem, that we all pooled our resources and sacrificed to come up with a replacement for the horse. (that Ford guy didn’t do it … he didn’t create that business … it was the planners and the government that created the streets and the transportation infrastructure that allowed him to thrive …).
Also, we all need to thank the guy (I don’t remember his name) who gave us time to solve the problem by creating that shit cap/trade system (the stepping stone to the shit tax) that allowed & encouraged us to transition away from horses. And don’t say the pogo stick subsidies that the shit tax funded were a boondoggle; pogo stick transportation was a great idea that was just ahead of its time … we just needed to wait for the technology to catch up and continue with the tax breaks.
Anyway … speak for yourself … the pogo stick era only stalled because of naysayers like you.

Dr Bob
December 9, 2016 4:43 am

Bierman says. “The melting we are seeing today may be out of the bounds of how the Greenland ice sheet has behaved for many millions of years.”
Absolute unmitigated rubbish!
The northern-most lobe of the Greenland ice cap, the Hans Tausen ice cap, melted away completely down to bedrock during the Holocene Maximum, 8,000 – 6,000 years ago. It has reformed over the past 4,000 – 3,500 years, consistent with the decline in Holocene temperatures up to the present, and is currently about 345 metres thick.
Given that Hans Tausen is at 82-83 degrees north, and is situated on the closest land mass to the North Pole, it is highly likely that the Arctic Ocean was, at least, seasonally ice free during the Holocene Optimum.
The Danes and Norwegians have conducted detailed studies of the natural history of the region, so Bierman is wasting his time.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Dr Bob
December 9, 2016 6:07 am

The northern-most lobe of the Greenland ice cap, …… melted away completely down to bedrock during the Holocene Maximum, 8,000 – 6,000 years ago.

YUP, and that is pretty much confirmed by this study, to wit:

Holocene Treeline History and Climate Change Across Northern Eurasia
Radiocarbon-dated macrofossils are used to document Holocene treeline history across northern Russia (including Siberia). Boreal forest development in this region commenced by 10,000 yr B.P. Over most of Russia, forest advanced to or near the current arctic coastline between 9000 and 7000 yr B.P. and retreated to its present position by between 4000 and 3000 yr B.P. Forest establishment and retreat was roughly synchronous across most of northern Russia. Treeline advance on the Kola Peninsula, however, appears to have occurred later than in other regions.
During the period of maximum forest extension, the mean July temperatures along the northern coastline of Russia may have been 2.5° to 7.0°C warmer than modern. The development of forest and expansion of treeline likely reflects a number of complimentary environmental conditions, including heightened summer insolation, the demise of Eurasian ice sheets, reduced sea-ice cover, greater continentality with eustatically lower sea level, and extreme Arctic penetration of warm North Atlantic waters. The late Holocene retreat of Eurasian treeline coincides with declining summer insolation, cooling arctic waters, and neoglaciation.
Read more http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033589499921233

Griff
Reply to  Dr Bob
December 9, 2016 7:42 am

Well, what was happening in the early Holocene which is not happening now to create warm conditions in that part of the world?
The orbital effects from the part of the Milankovitch cycle the Earth was then in of course.
and now we see meting without the additional warming effects from that…

MarkW
Reply to  Griff
December 9, 2016 9:55 am

We’ll let you know when the world warms up another 5C in order to catch up with the Holocene Optimum.

Griff
December 9, 2016 4:53 am

I see people showing the surface mass balance charts above…
But the “surface mass balance” technique for assessing the ice sheet refers to the amount of snow and ice that accumulates and melts each year. This only accounts for about two-thirds of the losses from the ice sheet.
Given that it doesn’t include the remaining third of ice that is lost through calving icebergs and ocean melting, it is usually strongly positive at the end of the year
Once the rate of calving icebergs and ocean driven melting is factored in, the total mass balance will almost certainly be negative – that is, more ice lost than snowfall gained. Since 2003 the GRACE satellite mission has shown a consistent overall net loss of ice from Greenland each year.
Greenland is definitely still losing ice.
The main glacial outflows – ice rivers – have shown accelerating retreat in the last 15 years.

Reply to  Griff
December 9, 2016 7:44 am

AS usual Griff,you ignore posted evidence from earlier in the thread,comment image
Not only that there were evidence from credible polar research showing that a glacier melted away earlier in the current intergalactic time,but now reformed and growing,
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/08/studies-worry-is-greenland-on-thin-ice/#comment-2365174

catweazle666
Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 9, 2016 12:38 pm

“AS usual Griff,you ignore posted evidence from earlier in the thread,”
Griff always ignores evidence, that’s what he does.
If he didn’t, he’d never have anything to post.

Bindidon
Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 10, 2016 3:58 am

Sunsettommy on December 9, 2016 at 7:44 am
Well, I’m no warmista and do not appreciate Griff’s attitude very much, but…
As usual Griff, you ignore posted evidence from earlier in the thread…
Evidence? Which evidence? What about a look at DMI’s Greenland site…
http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/
… and above all carefully reading everything on it?

Over the year, it snows more than it melts, but calving of icebergs also adds to the total mass budget of the ice sheet. Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr.

That’s not much of course: compared with the ice sheet’s volume, like a drop in the bucket. But that in turn isn’t a reason to ignore the fact.
P.S. I watch this DMI page since longer time. A few years ago, we still could read in the text a “1” where now the “2” stands…

Reply to  Griff
December 9, 2016 9:01 am

Griff,
Calving icebergs and the resulting melting in the sea are the result of advancing glaciers and glacier advance is fed by snow accumulation at higher elevations. So calving glaciers show the opposite to what you allege.

MarkW
Reply to  Griff
December 9, 2016 9:56 am

Griff, they are also ignoring the two to three feet of ice that is added every year from snow fall.
Are you finished embarrasing yourself yet?

catweazle666
Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2016 12:43 pm

Indeed.
Operational History
On 15 July 1942, due to poor weather and limited visibility, six P-38 fighters of 94th Fighter Squadron/1st FG and two B-17 bombers of a bombardment squadron were forced to return to Greenland en route to the British Isles during Operation Bolero. The aircraft were forced to make emergency landings on the ice field. All the crew members were subsequently rescued. However, Glacier Girl, along with the unit’s five other fighters and the two B-17s, were eventually buried under 268 feet of snow and ice that had built up over the ensuing decades.
Recovery and Restoration
Fifty years later, in 1992, the plane was brought to the surface by members of the Greenland Expedition Society after years of searching and excavation. The aircraft was eventually transported to Middlesboro, Kentucky, where it was restored to flying condition. The excavation of Glacier Girl was documented in an episode of The History Channel’s “Mega Movers” series, titled “Extreme Aircraft Recovery”.
The Lightning returned to the air in October 2002.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Girl
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/glacier-girl-the-back-story-19218360/
That’s 268 feet of ice build-up in 50 years.
Doesn’t look like the Greenland icecap is melting to me.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2016 2:43 pm

Lack of shame precludes embarrassment. That’s the first thing a propagandist jettisons.

Reply to  Griff
December 10, 2016 2:20 am

Thanks Griff, always good to see the alternate viewpoint on here. Don’t let the insulters gag you!

Coach Springer
December 9, 2016 5:08 am

So, another couple centuries before ocean front real estate prices are affected in Florida?

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Coach Springer
December 9, 2016 8:58 am

They’ll be offset by the rising housing bubble on the south Greenland coast.
(sarc doc)

Flyoverbob
December 9, 2016 5:32 am

I wonder how all the holes that have been bored in the Greenland Ice Sheet have affected the its melting. Heisenberg or something like that.

MarkW
Reply to  Flyoverbob
December 9, 2016 9:57 am

Pin pricks on an elephant would be several orders of magnitude larger.

Billy Liar
Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2016 12:38 pm
arthur4563
December 9, 2016 5:36 am

The reason no one should care about all this is that any massive ice melt that might be partially due to CO2 is way, way into the future (Trump won’t have to worry about his coastal real estate,I’m quite sure) , a future in which only the technologically ignorant believe will still be powered by gasoline and coal/natural gas, just due to simple economics : 1) given the cost of batteries were are approaching in the near future, electric automobiles are far simpler machines (and lots more reliable) than anything powered by an internal combustion engine. I’ve been an amateur mechanic for decades and would love to convert my 57 Thunderbird to electic – no transmission to worry about, or exhaust system, or cooling system of fuel system, ot the hundreds of machined arts that make up an engine, or for newer cars, the elaborate and complicated electronic control systems that are used by gas powered vehicles. The ability to refuel at home when used for around town transportation, etc etc. Easier to repair (unless it’s an absurdly complicated Tesla Motors vehicle, that is). With multiple electric propulsion motors, even the unlikely event of a motor going bad won’t leave you stranded. 2) Molten salt nuclear reactors are the future. Peiod. Of that I’m quite certain. Once again, the reason is sheer economics plus all of its other major benefits (using nuclear wastes
for fuel and eliminating them as any major storage concern), totally safe operations, ability to load follow, no need to shut down for refueling, etc etc etc Peter Thiel is backing Transatomic’s version of this new technology, but it is getting all the competition it can handel from Moltex’s innovative and potentially more cost effective and earlier to market design. Not to mention Terrestrial Energy’s design or the unknown design being pursued by the crash program the Chinese govt is backing.
Peter Thiel is part of the Trump team. Suspect that the Trump administration will get behind the new technology, unlike the corrupt Obama political machine, which threw hundreds of millions into technologically primitive renewable crap owned by his good buddies and political contributors
to his Democratic Party.

MarkW
Reply to  arthur4563
December 9, 2016 9:59 am

I’ll wait for the magic batteries that they have been promising us for the last 100 years.

Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2016 10:15 am

Well, I belive both will happen very soon, greenland will melt and magic batteries, I’m holding my breath. Turning blue, bluer,… ( sarc)

Russell
December 9, 2016 6:05 am

Frozen time capsule. From Greenland http://lswilson.dewlineadventures.com/dye2pics.htm .It’s also time to take out Glacier Girl The Time a P-38 Was Pulled From the Ice and Restored to Flying Condition
Meet Glacier Girl, frozen under the ice for 50 years and then returned to the skies
Also http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/glacier-girl-the-back-story-19218360/

Bernie
December 9, 2016 7:08 am

If you find a needle in a haystack, do you stop looking?

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Bernie
December 9, 2016 9:19 am

Not if it’s attached to a syringe, I suppose.

MarkW
Reply to  Pop Piasa
December 9, 2016 10:01 am

And if the syringe is attached to a nurse …

December 9, 2016 7:10 am

IPCC AR5 RCP 8.5 W/m^2 and 1,000 ppm CO2 has all ice caps gone by year 2500 and max of 22′ rise.

Don K
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
December 9, 2016 1:45 pm

Yep. And if Venus pops out of its orbit and smacks into the Earth, it’ll be really bad for the stock market. The two scenarios are probably about equally likely.

Alx
December 9, 2016 7:22 am

From the U of V article, “Today, sea levels are rising and the melting of Greenland is a major contributor.”
Surprising the article didn’t mention Al Gores average 5″ rise per year sea rise his documentary is Oscar-winning propaganda “An Inconvenient Truth”. I guess they didn’t want to appear too stupid.
Sea levels are rising, but minimally at about the same rate as the end of the 19th century. Greenland is potentially a greater contributor due to much of the ice being land based. Their studies may indicate Greenland is a major contributor, however to assert that without proving it, is poisoning the well instead of following the evidence wherever it may lead.

bit chilly
Reply to  Alx
December 10, 2016 8:40 am

why the focus on sea level rise. if it starts dropping we will have something to worry about.

Resourceguy
December 9, 2016 7:23 am

Has anyone looked at the uniqueness of weather patterns around Greenland to explain its ice cap? Weather not climate

Chimp
Reply to  Resourceguy
December 9, 2016 11:34 am

Greenland was largely ice free during the Pliocene and preceding epochs. There is some evidence of a small ice cap on its southern tip at that time. The research cited here also suggests at least montane glaciers along its east coast even in the late Miocene.
Its present ice sheet is due to new WX patterns, ie climate, established after the formation of the Isthmus of Panama, which caused more warm water to reach the North Atlantic.

TDBraun
December 9, 2016 7:35 am

I think the scientific techniques they are developing here are interesting and worth pursuing, but are obviously in a very early stage. The problem is they are prematurely trying to reach conclusions about what their results so far mean and how they apply to global warming — such conclusions are not nearly justified given the “fuzziness”. I suspect they know this but feel they need to do it to get more grant support.

Logoswrench
December 9, 2016 7:43 am

Wow this could be way worse than we thought. Then again aren’t we supposed to get rid of millions of people to save gaia.

Reply to  Logoswrench
December 9, 2016 9:00 am

billions. millions just won’t do for the Econutters.

MarkW
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
December 9, 2016 10:04 am

A million here, a million there, pretty soon you are talking real numbers.

Tom in Florida
December 9, 2016 8:07 am

And of course, the “time to give me another grant” demand is predictably there:
““These two apparently conflicting — but not necessarily conflicting — studies in Nature really force the issue that we don’t know enough about how ice sheets work over deep time,” Bierman says. “We must recognize the importance of advancing polar science to understand how our world works. And, right now, because we’re pumping huge plumes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, we really need to know how our world works.””

Chimp
December 9, 2016 10:58 am

I’d like to see where the interior site is located.
The Southern Dome of Greenland probably has melted in the past. The Northern, not so much.
Also wonder if the East Greenland coastal area surveyed is in the north or south.

catweazle666
December 9, 2016 12:46 pm

This result is consistent with existing computer models.
Xbox or Playstation?

Reply to  catweazle666
December 10, 2016 1:31 am

It doesn’t really matter when it comes to simulating nonlinear complex systems for long periods like the one they claim to simulate. The computers are practically all equivalent. With an abacus. Or with guessing in goat entrails.

catweazle666
Reply to  Adrian Roman
December 10, 2016 9:44 am

MK14 any good?
http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK14
I still have one, as it happens.

Dale S
December 9, 2016 2:04 pm

Given a few millenia to protect his property from 20 feet of Greenland-induced sea level rise, I think Donald Trump would have ample time to….
Build a wall.

December 9, 2016 6:55 pm

First they say 1. :

“To make predictions about the future of the ice sheet, scientists have tried to understand its past, hoping to glean what the ice was doing millions of years ago when the Earth was three or more degrees Fahrenheit warmer than it is now.

and then they say 2. :

““The melting we are seeing today may be out of the bounds of how the Greenland ice sheet has behaved for many millions of years.” CREDIT Joshua Brown/UVM

So I started wondering how in the world they got from 1. to 2. ??
And then Samuel C Cogar says:

Samuel C Cogar
December 9, 2016 at 6:07 am says:
During the period of maximum forest extension, the mean July temperatures along the northern coastline of Russia may have been 2.5° to 7.0°C warmer than modern.

So, I reckon they got from 1. to 2. by reading their grant application and the requisite alarmism phrases required to meet the wording in the grant application.
(And yes, I have done government consulting work once upon a long time ago where requisite phrases were a must.)

Johann Wundersamer
December 10, 2016 5:09 am

Interesting studies – devalued by
“And, right now, because we’re pumping huge plumes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, we really need to know how our world works.”