The End of the Green Age

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The victory of President Trump is a gift not just for America but for the world.

As WUWT recently reported, the last few days has seen a growing panic amongst the inner core of the Climate movement, currently partying at taxpayer’s expense in Marrakesh, about what they hoped was the unlikely possibility of a Trump Victory. Now their worst fears are realised.

Many years ago, Lord Monckton predicted America would be nation to lead the world to freedom from the anti-humanist greed of the green movement. Lord Monckton’s prediction has now come to pass.

In my native Australia, in Europe, across the world, in the bleak halls of the United Nations, the climate elite were gathering for one final great push to claim the future. Their plans are now in ruins.

God bless the United States of America. God bless the next President of the United States, Donald J Trump.

Update (EW) fixed a typo (h/t Dodgy Geezer)

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Steve R
November 9, 2016 1:12 am

The eight year nightmare is coming to an end! Hallelujah!

Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 1:48 am

+ a dozen!!!

Janice Moore
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 7:40 am

Yes!!!
America

IS


(youtube – rock “Star Spangled Banner”)
#(:))

MarkW
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 7:46 am

Last night on the anchor on one of the major channels, when asked what does “Make America Great Again” mean declared that for most Trump supporters it meant an America without minorities.
Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.
This morning I was reading a report on how Democrats are devastated, one activist declared that Democrats are all about love, compassion and fairness. In the next breath she begged for someone to kill Trump.
Cognitive dissonance on overdrive.
PS: I read that a number of Californians are starting to talk about seceding. They’ve got my vote.

Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 11:10 am

I live in Northern California in the mountains. I first lived in this area for much of the 1970s. I remember when I had first moved up here of hearing about the hope that a new state would be formed, which would be called the State of Jefferson. That is a hope that people in this area have held for almost a hundred years from what I have heard. The boundaries of the state would include Southern Oregon and Northern California. As it stand now the people of Northern California have no say in anything as the population of Southern California dominates the state government in all matters. Maybe some day.

Jtom
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 8:44 am

MarkW: I read one article that quoted a CNN “journalist” lamenting, “We did all we could for Clinton.” What an admission.
In explaining why exit polling was so wrong on another news outlet, one said something like, “They did their exit polling in the afternoon, and didn’t capture the vote of all the working people who would be voting after work. They usually vote Republican.” They completely missed the significance of that: the workers of America were tired of being taxed to death (not just income taxes, but hundreds of taxes on everything we buy, every place we go, virtually everything we do), paying for everyone’s healthcare, and getting nothing in return, not even a little respect. Working Americans turned out in droves to send the professional politicians packing.
Now maybe the working class will get at least as much attention as the 0.7% of the population who are confused as to which bathroom to use.

TA
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 9:00 am

MarkW wrote: “Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.”
I agree. The “true believer” Lefties I know are very prone to believing any and all leftwing conspiracy theories. They hear it one time, and accept it as gospel, without question. Confirmation bias, I guess. The opposite of the skeptic mentality.

Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 9:19 am

+1 jtom

ralfellis
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 10:54 am

>>or most Trump supporters it meant an America without minorities.
In a fashion, that is correct.
Just as in the Roman Empire, in the American Union you are supposed to be American (Roman) first, and minority culture/religion second. But far too many people have jumped upon the bandwagon of being minority first, and American (Roman) a distant third or fourth. And that niggles with a lot of people. It concerned the Romans too, because the major civil disputes the Empire suffered were always dissafected minorities who simply would not accept the Pax Romana – the Roman Peace – and the huge benefits it gave to cities, cultures, citizens and regions.
A community or nation only works, if everyone pulls in roughly the same direction. If all these ‘liberated’ minorities forget the union, and pull in completely different directions, the community or nation falls apart. And the Green-Left know this full well. I spoke to a UK Labour advisor who said he would do anything to destroy Britain. Why? Because he wanted a One World government, and the only way to achieve that is to destroy individual nations. So the program to impoverish and destabilise Amrica (and the UK) through Greenery and other means was deliberate – because that is the only way to create a One World government.
But as I said to them – what happens if the One World president turns out to be Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin, Papa Doc, or Pol Pot ??
R

Joel Snider
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 12:26 pm

“Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.”
This is the amazing thing about Progressive ideology – wherever you happen to find it, on whatever issue – they doctor the data, and then behave as if they actually believe their doctored data.
Anyone watching should have clearly seen the press (and their ‘experts) completely, willfully ignoring every trend that was so obvious in this election – so totally absorbed by a rigidly close-minded world view that they could not possibly perceive reality, even when it’s right when in front of them. It’s why Hollywood is so dominantly Progressive – they literally live in a world of make-believe. Similar to academia, who live in a world of theory – also never touched by reality – kind of a co-dependent dysfunctional relationship there – all you need is listen to who Dicaprio and his ilk quote – usually being careful not to do any thinking on their own.
I discovered the tail of the dragon researching Climate Change – it’s the same mechanism behind almost every Progressive issue.
If nothing else, this election has conclusively proved, not just the bias of the press and the Progressive left, but the deliberate dishonesty – up to and including staging violence, and faking ‘deplorable’ behavior on the part of political and ideological opponents.
Can’t let a crisis go to waste – and if you don’t have one, create one… or fake one – with computer models, paid agitators, phony polls, or simple slander – and take advantage of that. Nothing actually HAS to be real – you just need to get people to react to it.
That’s why they always appeal to the kids. They haven’t seen it before. And so they’re easy to con with bumper stickers.

schitzree
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 1:42 pm

But as I said to them – what happens if the One World president turns out to be Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin, Papa Doc, or Pol Pot ??

What makes you think they don’t WANT a Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin, Papa Doc, or even Pol Pot? Most of the Greens I’ve had the misfortune to talk to are not even ashamed to admit they are anti-capitalists, ether socialists of full blown Communists. And many even wish for a world population crash, to under 1 Billion and preferably down to about 500 Million, 90% living as subsistence farmers or menial laborers. This is their great dream of ‘sustainability’. Of course, they all assume that THEY will be part of the remaining 10% with cushy government jobs and all the modern luxuries. For an example of this Leftist Utopia in action just look to North Korea.

RWturner
Reply to  goldminor
November 9, 2016 1:45 pm

“Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.”
Yes, these clowns really are echo-chamber sycophants. This creates a situation where their heads grow faster than the busy beaver function, it will take time for them to deflate.

Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 2:30 am

The demoaners will be out in force.

Brad Keyes
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 6:25 am

A portmanteau of bemoaners and deplorers?

Ron Clutz
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 8:14 am

As a dual US/Canadian citizen, here is my take on the election result:
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/great-america/

ralfellis
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 12:03 pm

>>A portmanteau of bemoaners and deplorers?
In the UK those who wanted to ‘remain’ have become known as ‘remoaners’.
R

Nigel S
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 3:35 pm

Ramona, come closer
Shut softly your watery eyes
The pangs of your sadness
Will pass as your senses will rise
Bob ahead of the curve as ever.

Brandon M Sheffield
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 2:32 am

++++million

1saveenergy
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 3:03 am

Trump warned of a rigged election
“Trump warned of a rigged election”
Looks like he was right…..& should stand down.
I can’t believe out of ~300 million Americans, the choice was between criminal despots like Clinton & Trump, are they really the pinnacle of USA society;
someone randomly picked off skid row would have been a better choice.

Greg
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 3:36 am

I’m very glad ( and surprised ) that Clinton did not win, now we’ll see how this clown gets on.
Probably the first time in a over a century that the US president was actually elected by the people and not “selected” by the establishment.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 4:19 am

“Greg November 9, 2016 at 3:36 am
Probably the first time in a over a century that the US president was actually elected by the people and not “selected” by the establishment.”
And that is exactly why he won. Watch out Australia, UK, New Zealand etc etc etc etc. People have had enough of the “establishment”. We won’t eat cake, anymore!

ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 4:46 am

Ditto Patrick. Us Aussies are sick and tired of the establishment ignoring us and instead demanding we do as they decree – usually by a backhand to the face or by armed policy enforcement.
Ignore us at your peril grabbermint (pathetic Greens and all Leftards included), we will have our say and you will be defeated, if Trump’s election is any indication.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 5:08 am

@ 1saveenergy – November 9, 2016 at 3:03 am

the choice was between criminal despots like Clinton & Trump, are they really the pinnacle of USA society;

1saveenergy, this is no place for anyone to be venting their anger simply because they happen to be a longtime do-nothing “troughfeeder” sucking at the government “tit” ….. and who has been living comfortably in “the-swamp” from which Trump is going to drain all the “free” taxpayer ca$h, …… thus putting a screeching halt to their partying, drinking and high kafluting life style.

someone randomly picked off skid row would have been a better choice.

HA, ……. are you saying that you would have been “a better choice”?
I don’t think so.

RobbertBobbertGDQ
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 6:25 am

1Saveenergy,
As long as that vagrant from Skid Row also won The USA Senate and Reps I am Happy as it means the Public Purse is closed to the climate scam.
That in itself is beyond fabulous but A Trump Admin not only has both Houses as Republican but, and I call upon my American Friends and Allies to verify, does it give The Trump People the Call for appointing 1 if not 2 Supreme Court Judges?
Add to that the concept of people rejecting the Overwhelming and Overbearing Media Bias and The Trump victory is extraordinary.
What will he make of it? Who knows but I think he may surprise a few.
Australia voted for a Conservative Government in 2013 (they won but later knifed their leader for a liberal type) but we did not actually get one and while Donald is not your typical Conservative he would never fall for legislating the Luvvy nonsense that has blighted Western Governments this century.
Bye Bye Miss American Pie. Bye Bye To The Climate Change Pie.
What do readers think will be the Mainstream and Internet Media response.
Our Aussie Media of nearly all types went feral and histrionic when Labour lost in 2013 and we know that the media had no love for Donald before The Election.
Also is it to soon to tell if Hillary will be back in 2 years to go for it again?
Will she return to being Hillary Rodham and…is it too early for Bill to start dating again?
And going for it again too…sorry Mr Watts…I shall put myself in the Bad Boy Corner…Again.

Neo
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 8:04 am

The 30 year hold that the Harvard-Yale Club had on the Presidency is over.

Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 8:14 am

Trump attended Penn, didn’t he? That’s sort of the same club as Harvard and Yale.

Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 8:28 am

The Dem establishment selected Clinton; the people selected and then elected Trump. That’s the way the system works. I’m not crazy about either party, but the principles espoused by Rs generally suit me much better than those of the communist-leaning Ds. Imperfect as he is was/is, Trump is far superior to Obama or Clinton in nearly every way. (Obama doesn’t appear to have the woman baggage that talker Trump or rapist Clinton has, but he can’t tell the truth to save his soul.)
Romney was probably about as pure and qualified a candidate as either party could nominate, but the D machine, with help from the mainstream media, managed to portray him as the devil.
Trump wasn’t my first, second or third choice, but his campaign has resonated with many, many people, and I now think he’s the right man at the right time.

Jtom
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 9:01 am

Bob Cherba – when Romney tried to sway the primaries when he claimed to have secret information about Trump’s taxes that would devastate his candidacy, he proved himself to have the same moral and ethics as Harry Reid. Romney was just another bought and paid for Wall Street politician, and I regret having supported him four years ago. He would have been a Democrat-light, and the day of real change would have only been postponed.
As far as 1saveenergy, even rigged elections sometimes fail. You cannot look at the treatment given to Trump by the MSM and conclude that it was fair, accurate, or in any way balanced. And a skid row inhabitant would be better? Please, like it or not, Trump is a very successful businessman with a record of accomplishment. Thousands of people have gotten good paychecks because of his vision, and I have yet to see any criminality linked to Trump (unlike his opponent).

Chimp
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 10:20 am

Greg
November 9, 2016 at 3:36 am
Nope. You forgot Reagan.

TA
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 11:05 am

“Also is it to soon to tell if Hillary will be back in 2 years to go for it again?”
Hillary Clinton is done politically. I doubt they would let her out of jail to run anyway, even if she wanted to do so.

Joel Snider
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 1:25 pm

Is we a witsy-bitsy bitter today?

Stephen Richards
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 2:10 pm

I hope you have evidence for criminality from Trump. He has already started cases against people who accused him of that during the campaign

Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 2:55 pm

1saveenergy:

“criminal despots like Clinton & Trump”

At this point, Hillary is well documented in her own emails;
• Providing quid pro quo, steering contracts to the Clinton Foundation and Foundation donors,
• Spending time discussing her public’s opinion while Benghazi was shrieking for help,
• Working with the DNC to sabotage opponent’s campaigns,
• Working with the DNC to flood the internet with paid trolls pretending to be HRC groupies and defenders,
• Working with the DNC to have protestors at Trump rallies, including actors to instill, simulate or cause violence. The old disabled lady who was allegedly assaulted is one example; she pulled the old insurance scam of making a loud noise while falling down. Nearby paid protestors then provided a rallying “She was beat up” cry.
• A long history of shady shenanigans, including abuse of women who filed ‘sexual harrassment’ claims against Bill Clinton.
• A long history, amazingly devoid of actual achievements for America or her State.
Trump is not accused of any crimes.
Yes, rather oddly, during the last month of campaigning, several women suddenly burst on the public scene claiming Trump assaulted them.
Yet not one has accused Trump of actual infidelities as have a stream of Bill Clinton’s accusers.
Trump is also quite willing to go to court with these ladies with their claims. Bill Clinton is know to have paid off victims for their silence.
Hillary, from her own emails and the emails of her subordinates, did act as a despot. Using her slavishly devoted subordinates, Hillary ruled with an iron fist.
Hillary never admits error or apologizes.
Trump is a business man who owns and runs a large empire of holdings.
Trumps public persona may be that of a tyrant, but no tyrant achieves worldwide growth through fear.
If you paid attention, there were a number of people over the last year, who worked for or with Trump, that defended his actual persona when negotiating, delegating or working with peers, subordinates, associates around the world; these people were publicly interviewed, only their interviews were largely ignored by leftist media. So one had to pay close attention to spot the credit where credit is due.
Once Trump swears in, Hillary and quite a few of her cronies are up for investigation and prosecution.
Trump may pardon Hillary and Bill, it is the right thing to do, but I doubt all of her willful law breakers will get off. Plus, I doubt a revitalized IRS will view the charitable earnings, so easily available to the Clintons, as much different than income. After taxes and penalties, HRC could be just another taxi driver in NYC; at least she’ll have Secret Service protection.
.
There is even a picture of Bill Clinton and Trump hanging out together. Trump makes friends and allies.
Just like the Climate situation. Unless one probes and looks into the details, one is easily misled by rampant rumor and innuendo. For insight, I highly recommend Scott Adams bloggings, available at his comic site.

NW sage
Reply to  1saveenergy
November 9, 2016 6:59 pm

I don’t think the founders of the country ever said the democracy – or our equivalent – wouldn’t be messy. But it is certainly better than the alternatives.
‘Almost anyone’ could be said to be a better choice, but just how is ‘anyone’ supposed to get elected (presuming they WANT to)?
Where does our constitution say that our ‘Leader” is at the pinnacle of US society? Sorry, our ‘Leader’ is whomever we, the folks who vote, say he/she is. No one else gets a choice. They are who they are – warts and all.

Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 4:45 am

Nope.
Democrats are going to double down on their hate and vitriol.
If you thought Bush Derangement syndrome was bad……………………………

Latitude
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 6:18 am

“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal.”

Brad Keyes
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 6:59 am

Hahaha.
No, wait, hasn’t Ocean Obamification, or OA, been debunked?

MarkW
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 7:47 am

Apparently the Canadian immigration web site crashed around midnight last night.
Perhaps for once, the liberals will keep their word and move.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 8:41 am

GWB was a neo-con leader. HRC is a progressive liberal. Many of the same moderate independent voters who voted against Bush also voted against Hillary, recognising that the right and left wings have a common goal of despotism.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 9:22 am

@Pop Piasa
If by “neo-con” you mean “not really a conservative” you’d be right. Frankly, the Republican party isn’t all that conservative either. They haven’t shown much spine in “The Olde Guard” for really tackling the issues like over-regulation and overspending. Some of the young Turks have been pushing hard, but without seniority and clout they haven’t gotten far.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 9:56 am

Yes, DJ. I think the same folks who found GWB more dangerous would have thought differently about Gore if they knew the future. But we all have seen the pendulum swing towards despotic socialism for 16 years and it’s time for the conservatism of Lincoln’s party to reemerge.

Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 10:44 am

Mark, trust me, we don’t want there here.

TA
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 3:31 pm

“Democrats are going to double down on their hate and vitriol.”
The Dems are at a pretty high level of hate and vitriol now.
I heard a CNN anchor this morning asking Trump’s campaign manager Kelly Ann Conway, if Trump would waive prosecution of Hillary. You will hear a lot more of that tune from the Left in the future.
Kelly Ann said she didn’t know what Trump was going to do about that issue. 🙂
Hillary should be prosecuted. She is definitely guilty of numerous federal crimes. As far as her actually serving jail time, her Elite status will probably prevent that, even with Trump in Office. That’s too bad too, because she and the rest really do deserve jail time. There are a lot of people in jail who have done much less than the Clintons.
Taking all Hillary’s money away from her, in the form of fines, might be as painful to her as jail time. We should take all her ill-gotten gains away from her.

MarkG
Reply to  Matthew W
November 9, 2016 5:53 pm

“Perhaps for once, the liberals will keep their word and move.”
Sorry, but up here in Canada, we’re talking about building a wall to keep liberal refugees out. We don’t want them, we have more than enough of our own.

Resourceguy
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 7:06 am

+1000

Expat
Reply to  Resourceguy
November 9, 2016 10:45 am

Dear Shocker,
Nope, they’re going up there to you. Payback for kicking our ass during the the Revolutionary war and the war of 1812.

Sanata Baby
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 7:21 am

After just 2 weeks in Office he was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize and won it. IPCC also won a Nobel Peace prize. Me think Gro Harlem Brundtland and the Norwegian labour party is behind?

Sanata Baby
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 7:25 am

Abraham Lincoln said “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” ???

Ian L. McQueen
Reply to  Sanata Baby
November 9, 2016 9:46 am

Who was it who said: “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, and that’s good enough for success in politics”?
Ian M

TRM
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 7:53 am

8? Nothing but controlled political sellouts for a lot longer than that. I’m cautiously optimistic.
Well done USA.

BernardP
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 8:43 am

Now, let’s hope he actually does what he said he would do. Let’s see how he gets the USA out of the Paris Agreement.

Janice Moore
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 9:14 am

Dear Mr. P.,
The USA is not in the Paris Agreement. The U.S. Senate never ratified it. It is merely empty words on paper. Nothing more.
There — that was easy. On to more important things: like working with Congress to lower the corporate income tax rate and freeing up the energy production industry to make JOBS happen! 🙂
Sincerely,
Janice M.

Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 11:50 am

Janice,
To be sure, as the minister of the environment of France, Ségalène Royal just has declared that the US can’t pull out of the Paris Agreement within three years:
Is it certain that Obama couldn’t legally sign the agreement without a majority of the votes in the Senate?

Ray in SC
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 12:14 pm

Ferdinand,
The US constitution requires that treaties be ratfied by the US Senate with a two-thirds (or greater) majority. That the president of France said the US is obligated by this treaty is irrelevant.

Janice Moore
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 12:22 pm

Yes, dear Ferdinand. Just as certain as it is that human CO2 is doing nothing to change the climate of the earth. (smiling — yes, yes, YES, we disagree on that last clause 🙂 )

Tom in Florida
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 12:34 pm

re: Ray in SC November 9, 2016 at 12:14 pm
“The US constitution requires that treaties be ratfied by the US Senate with a two-thirds (or greater) majority”
To be 100% accurate, the Constitution says “provided two thirds of the Senators present concur”

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 1:25 pm

Obama’s hubris may be a blessing in disguise. If the senate HAD ratified the ‘treaty’ then it might be more difficult to get out of it. As it is, the executive proclamation can be overturned by the new executive, as many of Obama’s executive orders may well be. France’s Minister of Environment can hardly force us to do her bidding. If there is no money to support curtailment of CO2 emissions and there is no will in the executive branch to comply with the agreement, just how is it going to be enforced?

MarkW
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 1:33 pm

Tom, I’m pretty sure that there is a requirement elsewhere that a quorum be present before business can be conducted. Beyond that, nothing happens in the Senate until the Senate majority leader says it happens.

MarkW
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 1:34 pm

Clyde, there is zero chance that the Senate would have ratified it had it been presented. Even most Democrats were against it.

Ray in SC
Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 2:41 pm

Tom,
You say “to be 100% accurate, the Constitution says ‘provided two-thirds of the senate concurs’.”
Yes, those are the words of the Constitution. Are you implying this is different than what I wrote or just picking at semantics?

Reply to  BernardP
November 9, 2016 3:18 pm

Ferdinand:
If Obama put his signature to a document and promised other country leaders that it was valid, then they need to take us discussion Obama directly.
Ideally, any Presidential order is followed by both houses of Congress passing a law supporting the order, which the President then signs or vetoes.
There is zero requirement that government support any other kind of ‘Presidential Order’.
Though, Obama’s intention was that agencies under POTUS Administrative control would be required to follow his orders, because he is in charge. That lasts until a new POTUS arrives, e.g. Trump.
The House of Representatives specifically refused to allocate any funding to the Paris agreement; leaving Obama having to use existing White House or Agency funds. There were also some stated questions from the Senate and House of Representatives regarding investigating misuse/misappropriation of funds; a serious legal infraction.
To be a ‘Treaty’, requires 2/3rds approval of the sitting Senate.
To be an ‘Agreement’, at least requires Congressional complicity.
Refusing to fund an ‘Agreement’ or even to consider attempting a 2/3rds approval vote is willful denial of any Congressional complicity.
Watch for lame and dumb ducks Obama and his junk yard dog, Harry Reid, to try and pull shenanigans this winter recess.
Previous shenanigans of theirs, regarding appointments, went to the Supreme Court for full rebuke and refusal.

Reply to  BernardP
November 10, 2016 2:03 am

Thanks all for the clear answer… The signature of Obama on the Paris Agreement can thus be revoked the moment that Trump in in charge…

Tom in Florida
Reply to  BernardP
November 10, 2016 6:31 am

Ray in SC November 9, 2016 at 2:41 pm
“Tom,
You say “to be 100% accurate, the Constitution says ‘provided two-thirds of the senate concurs’.”
Yes, those are the words of the Constitution. Are you implying this is different than what I wrote or just picking at semantics?”
———————————————————————————————————————————
Ray,
First you did not quote the Constitution accurately here. You say above “provided two-thirds of the senate concurs”, that is not what it says. The Constitution says ““provided two thirds of the Senators present concur”. Notice the word “present”?
As MarkW November 9, 2016 at 1:33 pm said, a quorum is needed to do business. A quorum is 51 Senators (Article I, Sec 5: “a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business”).
It is not necessary that 67 Senators concur if all are not present. So, it could be that only 34 Senators would be needed to concur to make a Treaty if only the minimum of Senators to make a quorum were present.
That was my point.

MRW
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 9:47 am

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John Silver
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 10:50 am

Twenty-eight year nightmare.

Bryan A
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 1:36 pm

Hillary for President…what went wrong? Everything that needed to!
Emails
Scandals
Hypocrisy
Labeling her opponent a Womanizer while remaining married to the biggest womanizer who ever lived
All of this lead to the “Perfect Storm” of a lack trustworthiness amongst her constituents, driving a few needed percent to vote for Johnson or Stein
4 states made the difference.
Pennsylvania 20ev
Donald 48.8%
Hillary 47.6%
Difference 1.2%
Johnson 2.4%
Michigan 16ev
Donald 47.6%
Hillary 47.3%
Difference .3%
Johnson 3.6%
Wisconsin 10ev
Donald 47.9%
Hillary 46.9%
Difference 1%
Johnson 3.6%
These 3 states combined 46 electoral votes would have given HRC 274 for the win but for the Dems that couldn’t give her their support.

TA
Reply to  Bryan A
November 9, 2016 3:43 pm

“These 3 states combined 46 electoral votes would have given HRC 274 for the win but for the Dems that couldn’t give her their support.”
That’s scary. We were real close to going down the radical Leftwing tubes, but we dodged the bullet. Having the Clinton Crime Family running the U.S. government would have been a travesty of justice, and a possible game-changer for the good ole USA. We pulled out of our dive in the nick of time.
The Right needs to get itself a little more organized. The winning margin is not nearly high enough. That needs to be expanded in the future. A good, productive Trump presidency will help that effort tremendously.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bryan A
November 9, 2016 5:29 pm

More than a travesty of justice
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=bphR-6Xi1_I

NW sage
Reply to  Bryan A
November 9, 2016 7:12 pm

I hereby nominate those 3 states for a special bonus – to be determined by Pres Trump.

george e. smith
Reply to  Steve R
November 9, 2016 2:18 pm

I guess Mother Gaia was mighty pissed about what they had planned for her pristine desert habitats, with all those wind mills and mirrors and bird evaporators and such.
So how ever you guys did it; congratulations. I think we can survive the buffoonery.
Don’t believe we could have survived knowing that the red phone was ringing at 3 AM and the CIC was just yelling; ” At this point, what difference does it make !? ”
G

wws
November 9, 2016 1:14 am

You hit the nail on the head!!!
Start with who would have been Hillary’s top guy, probably her chief of staff – John Podesta. He is behind the ThinkProgress/ClimateProgress websites, Joe Romm has been one of his top employees for years. That whole gang would have been given incredibly power to implement their ideology – suddenly, like the umpire says – YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!!
The whole grifter, grafting, crew, they just lost the place at the table they thought they owned. Now, I want to be clear that I have never been very happy about Trump the man – but the fact that Hillary the Organization is now being ushered OUT of power makes this the single best day for the skeptic movement since our movement started!!!

Reply to  wws
November 9, 2016 2:16 am

Frankly? I try to not gloat when someone loses but to see Podesta have to eat crow on Clinton’s behalf did give a feeling of gloating and I hope this now opens the doors for a Grand Jury into her and the clinton foundation TOMORROW! What a night!!

Barry King
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 2:35 am

Amen!!

mrmethane
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 2:44 am

If I read the emails accurately, the crow would have first been a star in some pagan ceremony, and would be eaten raw.

Gogs
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 5:28 am

Hillary really showed her class in her speech, when she conceded defeat.
Oh! I must have missed it!

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 7:23 am

Schadenfreude, what a great feeling! and nothing is more important than ending the green-ing of the US government.

Winnipeg boy
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 7:42 am

giuliani for AG. That guy will clean house.

MarkW
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 7:50 am

Can’t happen until January, after the DOJ is cleaned out.

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 7:56 am

She deserves criminal prosecution, but for the good of the country, the most important thing Obama can do in the next two months is give her a full pardon. The FBI can nail the little fish to the wall; they’re the ones who make Clinton Inc. possible. Meanwhile, let’s focus on the future.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 8:12 am

Tim,
I might be wrong, but I don’t think you can pardon someone who has not been indicted. Colluding with the AG and FBI to avoid an indictment was a big gamble for Hillary, and now it appears to have not paid off.

Jtom
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 9:10 am

Paul, yes, you are wrong. Us old folks can remember well when Gerald Ford gave Richard Nixon a blanket pardon so the nation would not be forced to sit through the trial of a disgraced former President.

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 9:22 am

I’d rather see the investigation continue past January 20, lest Obama pardon her. Then let all hell break loose. Drain the swamp into federal prison. Return integrity to the Department of Justice, the FBI, the EPA and the National Science Foundation.

MarkW
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 10:54 am

Someone who’s pardoned can’t claim 5th amendment protections. However if they refuse to talk or lie, they can be fully prosecuted for those actions.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 12:02 pm

All right then, I stand corrected. (I love this place, I learn something new every day) But, congress can still investigate even if everybody involved is pardoned. And the best part is, they wouldn’t be able to plead the 5th anymore. I think the American people deserve to know what really happened.

South River Independent
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 12:48 pm

If President Obama pardons Hillary Clinton and she accepts the pardon it would be an admission of guilt. If she thinks she is innocent, she should refuse a pardon, if one is offered, and request a serious investigation.

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 1:19 pm

Hilliary can’t accept the pardon as it would be an admission of guilt which would set off many lawsuits against the Clinton Foundation.

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 3:32 pm

“Gogs November 9, 2016 at 5:28 am
Hillary really showed her class in her speech, when she conceded defeat.
Oh! I must have missed it!”

Yes, you must have.
Hillary was classy, and quite gracious; using Trump’s speech to America as the basis for some of her statements.
Still, Hillary admitted to no mistakes or errors nor did she personally apologize for her direct actions.
Considering the concession speeches I’ve heard over the years, Hillary’s belated speech is one of the best. Belated, because Hillary did not give the speech when the result became obvious; HRC delayed till the next day.
I even heard on pundit exclaim over the purple dress Hillary wore; purple as red and blue combined. Somehow, I doubt Hillary had that dress on possible occasion of her loss; and I wonder if red and blue was HRC’s intention or the more usual use of purple for royalty.

Bryan A
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 5:39 pm

Tis most unfortunate that, on what will be President Obama’s last day, he will probably issue a Presidential Pardon exonerating Hillary of any and all potential charges and the issue will die but not before give the Democratic Party a lasting black eye and a further lingering stench

RobbertBobbertGDQ
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 9:42 pm

asybot,…I try to not gloat when someone loses …
Gloating is what it is all about.
And Schadenfreude. The pleasure you get from someone else’s displeasure or sadness and I have been schadenfreuding all night and all today.
The Australian Luvvy Lefty Media is beyond a joke in its upholding of the Left/Green narrative, and its organised and continued insult directed at Suburban and Rural values and aspirations in all matters and doubles down on Climate. So I have been been having far too much of a good time reminding these echo chambers of conformity what The Trump Prez and the Republicans having the numbers in both Houses means.
The Climate Purse is closed and there is no more Other Peoples Money and The Climate Gravy train has left the station and aint coming back for 4 or more years. Not to forget The Supreme Court nominations which will throw the Luvvies for an absolute loop when they realise what that will mean generationally.
Getting your kicks from Schadenfreude isn’t the best thing ever but the conformist Aussie MSM deserves this beautiful kick in the proverbial so for the next few days I am swimming in it.
And they are gonna get it but if you do read the MSM on this issue they still blame everybody and thing but themselves and the established elite, political and public service class.
Which means that, although they have metaphorically been politically hit in the face with a great big wet fish… Brexit and its Human Form of Donald Trump…they still do not get it.

Len
Reply to  wws
November 9, 2016 6:52 am

Right on!

Patrick B
Reply to  wws
November 9, 2016 7:01 am

The Clinton Foundation has hundreds of millions to continue the fight. They are not going away no matter how much we wish they would.

Reply to  Patrick B
November 9, 2016 8:37 am

Ah, but if the new administration does what it should, the CF could find its IRS exemption scrapped and be taxed into oblivion.

Reply to  Patrick B
November 9, 2016 9:19 am

My way to play the deal is: Let FBI go full bore and line up all the guilty; offer full transfer of the Clinton Foundation to say the Wounded Warriors or Red Cross and allow Hillary and Bill a pardon. Crucify the partisan public sector workers to the full extent of the law and remove 10% from the US Government workforce, by use of secret witness rewards.

Ray in SC
Reply to  Patrick B
November 9, 2016 12:27 pm

Patrick,
You are correct that the foundation has money to continue the fight but I predict there will be little interest in paying either of the Clintons tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for speeches when there is no opportunity for gaining politicql influence.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Patrick B
November 9, 2016 8:30 pm

The President cannot pardon State or Local crimes and the Clinton Foundation is organized in, I believe, NY State. Locals can go after her easily. Nor do Presidential Pardons protect against law suits. At least I don’t believe they do. Those are civil and not criminal which is what the PPs address.

fthoma
Reply to  Patrick B
November 9, 2016 10:48 pm

Patrick B @7:01 It turns out on analysis that the Clinton Foundation is chartered only to build the Clinton Library and archive in Arkansas. Every other activity that they have pursued is not chartered and therefore illegal, which means the donations are considered income and should have been taxed as such, and donations can not have been claimed as donations to a charity. Read it and gloat: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-07/clinton-foundation-charity-fraud-epic-proportions-analyst-charges-stunning-takedown

fthoma2014
Reply to  Patrick B
November 9, 2016 10:56 pm

“Clinton Foundation Is Charity Fraud Of Epic Proportions”, Analyst Charges In Stunning Takedown http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-07/clinton-foundation-charity-fraud-epic-proportions-analyst-charges-stunning-takedown

MarkW
Reply to  wws
November 9, 2016 7:49 am

Hillary sent Podesta to Javitz Hall to tell everyone to go home, nothing was going to happen till morning. 30 minutes later Clinton called Trump to conceed.
She’s a coward till the end.

Neo
Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 8:11 am

Hillary Clinton pulled yet another “Benghazi” leaving her supporters to die.

Chimp
Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 10:57 am

She might have suffered a severe Parkinson’s bout and been unable to walk without trembling.

Ian Magness
November 9, 2016 1:15 am

Yep, we’ve had Brexit, now for Clexit – and I don’t mean Clinton.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Ian Magness
November 9, 2016 1:22 am

Not so fast. A court ruling recently has paused the implementation of Article 50, the policy that starts the process of exiting the EU.

Ian Magness
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 1:35 am

You said it Patrick – “paused” and paused by a group of rent-seeking remoaners who are distraught that the people had the effrontery to vote against their views. They told us how to vote but we voted the other way – disgraceful! Don’t worry, Brexit will happen. The remoaners may have a few politicians and judges on their side, but the referendum result will be implemented sooner or later and people and businesses across Europe are already planning and acting as if we have already left.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 1:38 am

Clearly media coverage here in Australia about is void of facts. Well, that does not surprise me.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 2:11 am

Only thing is Patrick, Parliament HAS aleady voted, to hold the referendum and place the decision into the hands of the electorate. Even Cameron acknowledged that.

richard verney
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 2:26 am

The Trump victory is good for Brexit.
The EU referendum put to the UK was do you believe in government y the people for the people, or do you believe in government by a select c@rrupt elite for the benefit of the select c@rrupt elite. Fortunately the UK people had the nerve to stand up .and be counted and stuck 2 fingers up at the select c@rrupt elite.
This was the very same question put to the American people, and courageously they did exactly the same thing.
There has been a huge step forward for democracy these past 5 months. The world is changing, and the EU (and other global governments) need to rethink since they can see the writing on the wall.
the question is whether the EU will fail before the Green Blob. Their grip on power is growing weaker by the day. Which will fall first will be interesting to watch.
Hopefully Trump will quickly take steps to kick the greens out of power and to take back control of cheap energy. If the West is ever to compete with the Far East, cheap and reliable energy must be high up on the list.
I am looking forward to watching the BBC when Trump goes after the green dream and defunds the UN/IPCC and makes it clear that the Paris Agreement is non binding on the States. They will be wetting themselves. Get out the popcorn as the swamp is drained.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 2:30 am

I remember Heath committing the UK to joning the Common Market in 1973 without a mandate, effective Jan 1st 1974. Accepted by the people mid-1975, when they were asked.

Greg
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 3:41 am

Good luck with draining the swamp. He will have to contend with a lot of pissed-off alligators

Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 4:49 am

The court ruling on Brexit was not to stop article 50, it was to try to have it debated in the HOC. The referendum had, however, already been debated and supported by MP’s 6:1.
It’s also interesting to not the wealthy hedge fund manager who raised the case didn’t bother doing the same following the Scottish independence referendum, rather confirming the London-centric nature of the UK.
Having said all that, I wouldn’t write off the climate alarmists too soon. They still have powerful allies and Trump will have his hands full with many more pressing political questions.

Mardler
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 5:12 am

It did but got it wrong.
The lead judge is head of two anti Brexit groups so should have recused himself.
The ruling said that parliament must debate legislation. A50 is not legislation thus the judges were wrong. (That’s constitutional expert opinion, btw, not just mine.)
The ruling has gone to appeal – where the people and government will lose again.
The case, which should never have been heard, was brought by the elite in cohort in a display against democracy and the sovereignty of parliament (the judiciary cannot direct government!).

Man Bearpigg
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 5:36 am

@ Forest Gardener … There was not a vote for the EU, there was a vote for the EEC the two are completely different. None of the EU treaties were brought in through parliamentary votes. They were brought in as EU treaties. On my voting slip it read ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’
Nothing about hard or soft or any other conditional clauses. Unless you can see any ?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 5:47 am

HotScot, me thinks your “voiced” concerns are the least of Trump’s POTUS problems.
Actually, the 1st thing Trump will do to “start-the-swamp-pump-sucking” will be to select NEW Secretaries/Directors/Managers, etc., …. along with their “Marching Orders”, …… of all Fed Government Agencies, Departments, Bureaus, etc. (all “will n’ pleasure” employees) …… even before he is sworn in as POTUS … and make said appointments official after being sworn in ……… and thus the “swamp draining” will immediately begin.

Owen in GA
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 7:59 am

The courts may cause a snap election. When they lose on appeal, if the vote fails in parliament, May should immediately call elections and campaign against those who went against the result of the election. The make up of parliament would likely still be Tory led, but the UKIP (if they can get their internal act together – and their confusion would make it a good time for May to act) could suddenly find themselves in the roll of main opposition party or coalition member if no one gets a majority.
I think May needs to threaten this scenario strongly when whipping the vote and remind the right honorable gits that their places at the trough will be at risk if they vote against the action.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 2:09 pm

If British law allows the government to organize a referendum to exit a treaty, and there’s no need for the executive to confirm the move with parliament then British law is heavily flawed. It seems the brexiteers want to take another step towards an imperial leader. This is similar to the imperial presidency approaches used by Bush and Obama. If the imperial leadership continues to evolve it means the end of representative democracy.

MarkG
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 6:00 pm

“If British law allows the government to organize a referendum to exit a treaty, and there’s no need for the executive to confirm the move with parliament then British law is heavily flawed.”
If the British people have voted that they want the government to do something, there is no reason to ask Parliament, unless you want to prevent the very thing the people just voted for. The only people demanding a Parliamentary vote are Remoaners who believe Parliament will deny the people of Britain the outcome they just voted for.
If you think the British government listening to the people of Britain is ‘heavily flawed’, I can only presume you’d prefer to live in North Korea, where The Great Leader will make all the decisions.

Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 1:17 am

Well done Trump. Everyone I know here in Australia is calling him an idiot, well, that is just their opinion. He may not be a well healed *POLITICIAN*, but he is a real man, with real world experience. The American people have been run roughshod over for 20 years or more by political elitists like Obama and Clinton, they have had enough and given Trump a go a the wheel.
We do indeed live in interesting times.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 2:56 am

The fact that Trump isn’t a run-of-the-mill politician is a huge draw to those of us who are sick and tire of Elite/Establishment politicians. This will be interesting to see and work with.

dennisambler
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 9, 2016 3:05 am

He is also not a lawyer, like Blair, Clintons, Obama et al

Patrick MJD
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 9, 2016 3:34 am

From Chicago. What other infamous criminal was from Chicago?

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 9, 2016 3:37 am

Yep, RR,
Take a look at the peoples’ vote in WashingtonDC.
All those bureaucrats who think themselves usually right.
Wrong by that percentage of 97 to 3.
And that 3% might be the expected donkey vote.
Tells a story all on its own.

Reply to  RockyRoad
November 9, 2016 7:36 am

@dennisambler
Businessmen find reasons to do things.
Lawyers find reasons not to do things.
We have had a generation of privileged, nepotistic career politicians and lawyers running the UK and the US. It’s not racist to expect our countries to have full employment before inviting immigrants to then take extra jobs. But the idealistic bureaucrats and worldly ignorant politicians have put the cart before the horse in their social experiments. Trump and May are a reaction to irresponsible immigration, fiscal, environmental, and social, liberal left policies the man in the street is roundly sick of.
Hopefully, Trump will put GW at the back of his political queue and we can watch it wither on the vine of Europe.

Tom Judd
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 9, 2016 9:59 am

Patrick MJD
“From Chicago. What other infamous criminal was from Chicago?”
What infamous criminal wasn’t from Chicago?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 9, 2016 1:33 pm

“From Chicago. What other infamous criminal was from Chicago?”
If Al Capone isn’t the answer you are looking for, can I have several more guesses. There is no shortage of Chicago criminals to choose from. Do you have a preferred time period?

AP
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 4:02 am

You can’t blame sheeple who believe what the MSM tells them. Channel 9 election coverage last night was sickeningly biased.
Pity the sheeple. Hopefully after this result a few of them will begin to question the media’s groupthink narrative.

TA
Reply to  AP
November 9, 2016 11:16 am

Holding the Leftwing Media accountable should be one of the highest priorities.
They almost stole another election from the American people, but they couldn’t quite pull it off this time because of the very flawed candidate they were running.
The margin of error is too small to give the Left any kind of election leverage over our lives. The Leftwing Media is the problem and we should point that out at every opportunity, in order to diminish their influence.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 6:03 am

i was grinning like the Chesire cat when i heard hed won;-)
and even wider when i listened to ABC moaning n the feminazis are on there in full spate.
it was NOT because america wouldnt vote for a woman as president
it was because THAT woman wasnt fit to BE president!
hope he can pull Nato outta eu and settle the looming mess bummer n the hildabeast would have lit the match under soon.
bless all you who voted Trump;-)

pameladragon
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 9, 2016 11:08 am

“it was NOT because america wouldnt vote for a woman as president
it was because THAT woman wasnt fit to BE president!”
So True! Nearly all my female friends despise HRC and everything she stands for, she would have disgraced women and probably made it impossible for another woman to get into the White House for the next hundred years!
PMK

South River Independent
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 9, 2016 1:00 pm

Did anyone see The View today? (Did I get the name right? The program with Whoopy Goldberg, Joy Behart, etc.) My wife was disappointed that she missed it because she wanted to see how they reacted to the election result.

Reply to  South River Independent
November 9, 2016 4:18 pm

The View?!? Now I understand SRI.

Janice Moore
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 9, 2016 1:42 pm

South River Independent,
Until someone comes along (and around here, it’s iffy as to whether that will happen — hope it does!) who can answer your question, here’s my best guess:
(based on Oprah Winfrey’s “You don’t have to like her!”)
Woman #3: I just don’t see why so many of us didn’t even vote at all. I could swallow a spider if I had to … . Don’t have to like it.
Whoopi: Well, I KNOW you don’t have to like her. But, it was damn difficult. I used up the last of my best whiskey gettin’ prepped to vote for that thing. Made me mad — as — hell! I was savin’ it to help me smile at the white (wince), straight (wince), male (wince), judge I’ll be arguing in front of about my traffic ticket tomorrow morning. Have to go buy some more.
Joy: Well, (confidential tone, and a “look”) We all know why we lost.
Woman #3: And voter turn-out ain’t it.
Whoopi: Voter turn-OFF was it.
Joy: And “it” should never have….
Whoopi: Mm, hm.
Joy: …. I’m serious, look at that cute little Barney —
Woman #3: — Bernie —
Joy: (eye roll) — BERNIE Sandufsky —
Woman #3: — SANDERS!
Joy: SAN-DERS whatever. He would have won. How could you NOT vote for him? He’s like a little stuffed toy animal/doll thingy that talks ….. a……. uh………. a puppet!
Whoopi: (eye roll; dry tone, muttering) Just what we need, another puppet. I was NOT proud of that “first black” puppet. No, I am serious. I can say this, now, it doesn’t matter anymore. Just like Pameladragon said about the women, not that I agree with her of course, but, I can see her point…. after that big dope, black people, I mean REAL black people, will NEVER get into the Whitehouse. America will be UNDER water by then. I saw it in National Geographic.
Joy: National Geographic. That reminds me. Woman #3? Didn’t you tell me they’re going to start a new make-up and fashion section next month? “Climate Friendly Fashion from Around the World.” CFFAW. (giggle) Don’t think I’ll say THAT again. I’ll just say the whole long thing!
Woman #3: Oh, yes. Pretty cool concept from what their promotions scientist showed me. Recipes from around the world, too.
Whoopi: Oh, sure. Using giant bugs — ugh! — and crap, I mean stuff from Mongolia — not that I don’t like Mongolia or Mongolians, don’t be offended folks — or from Jimmy Hoffa knows where. Sounds yummy! (curls lip)
Joy: Jimmy HOFFA?? (laughing, pops a button on the back of her top…. struggles to re-button it…. spills her coffee…..
{Producer: Tight in on Woman #3 — GO TO BREAK NOW.}
Woman #3: (smiling, smiling, SMILING, oh, so sweetly) Next, we’ll be talking with Karm Jim Jill from North Korea! About great places to take your kids on an eco-vacation next summer! Don’t touch that remote!
*********************
And so forth. 🙂

Brian
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 9, 2016 1:44 pm

I have been saying, on this site, for the past two years that Hillary was unelectable and that I wasn’t a Trump supporter. I became one as soon as he became President elect for the same reason I supported O as soon as he was elected, W as soon as he was elected, Bill and Hill as soon as they were elected, and on and on. The person that is lawfully elected by the American people is the President and deserves the peoples support.
It will be interesting to watch how the next four years unfold as the career politicians that have owned the presidency since Eisenhower would be encouraging competition into their “ultimate prize” if they allow a CEO to succeed as president. But Trump, as a career deal maker, should be able to bargain his way out of the traps that they set for him. It should be a great show.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 1:35 pm

is a well healed politician one who’s got over being sick of politics?

Mark T
November 9, 2016 1:18 am

I predict a slew of pardons will be issued shortly.

gnomish
Reply to  Mark T
November 9, 2016 3:03 am

take cheer – the unindicted can’t be pardoned.
but they can be indicted later

MattJ
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 4:11 am

I don’t think this is accurate.
An impeachment does not require any rule of law to enforce. Simply votes by the Representatives to impeach and votes by the Senate to remove from office.
Likewise, a pardon does not require any rule of law to enforce. Simply, a sweeping fiat by the President, such as Ford’s pardon of Nixon.
Iirc, Nixon was specifically not indicted as a sitting President as it was questionable if it could even be done from a Constitutional perspective. Barring treason or impeachment, of course.
Trump has stated he wants a special prosecutor for Hillary’s scandals. I don’t disagree. However, I would hope that the limit of the special prosecutor would be to provide the truth to the American people. From there, I would want Trump to pardon (if necessary) and move on from the scandal.

AP
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 4:18 am

Why should this criminal and her cohort be pardoned? This is no longer about a few classified emails. This is about terrible, evil crimes against children which are currently being investigated, as well as lying to investigators, racketeering etc.
She must go to prison.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 6:14 am

take cheer – the unindicted can’t be pardoned.

Gnomish, good point, I never thought of that fact.
HA, but knowing how deviously crooked and dishonest those Executive Branch Democrats are, ….. Obama might/could sign a Presidential Directive ordering Attorney General Loretta Lynch to quickly “charge, arrest and convict” Hillary Clinton with “various crimes against the State and Nation” …… so that Obama could then sign another Presidential Directive ordering a “pardon” for Hillary Clinton.

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
November 9, 2016 6:38 am

Samuel, you must not be old enough to remember Watergate and it’s aftermath. Ford pardoned Nixon before any indictment was made against the resigned president, and the pardon was valid in blocking any federal indictment.

Craig
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 6:39 am

Actually, there are very few limits on presidential pardon power. The Supreme Court in Ex parte Garland (1866) made it clear the unindicted can be pardoned.
“The power thus conferred is unlimited, with the exception stated. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.” http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/71/333.html

MarkW
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 7:54 am

Nixon was never indicted, but he was still pardoned. The only limitation on pardons is that you can’t pardon someone for something they haven’t done yet.
For example if Obama were to illegal aliens, all it would do is wipe their past clean. However they are still in the country illegally and can still be expelled.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 9:21 am

Tom Halla – November 9, 2016 at 6:38 am

Samuel, you must not be old enough to remember Watergate and it’s aftermath.

Yeah, … I am, …. Tom. I even remember what Nelson Rockefeller said (do you), …. that Nixon’s BIGGEST mistake was lying about his part in the “break-in” …….. and if Nixon had just admitted he done it and told the Press …. “That’s what all rival Politicians do”, …… then he would have remained POTUS in good standing.
“DUH”, ……. ya NEVER ever heard Hillary Clinton denying any of the dastardly things that she was accused of doing, …… did ya? …….. OF COURSE NOT.

AP
Reply to  Mark T
November 9, 2016 4:06 am

I suspect this is why Wikileaks has held back material.

michaelpalmeruw
Reply to  AP
November 9, 2016 8:09 am

How do you know they did hold back?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  AP
November 10, 2016 6:35 am

“DUH”, because Wikileaks “sources” have been up-loading data files from Hillary’s basement Server for the past ten (10) years. (ever since it was installed in her basement)
All of Hillary’s E-mails, ….. all of “Slick Willy” Bill’s E-mails, …… all State Department transmissions to and from said basement Server ….. and who knows “what other” inter-connected government Servers?

Chimp
November 9, 2016 1:18 am

It’s not an upset to those who of us relied upon realistic polling and who live outside the bicoastal bubbles.
As I’ve commented here before, whatever else Trump does, he will help sink the CACA scam.
As an early supporter and contributor to his campaign, nay crusade, I can assure all here that his appointees to climate relative positions will astound, amaze and gratify skeptics of the CACA consensus, ie orthodoxy.
It’s a new world of truth and beauty. Thanks for your support.

November 9, 2016 1:20 am

It does look like Trump has a dim view of green rent-seekers. Given who he mentioned as the transtiton leader on the environment, things look promising.

Ron
November 9, 2016 1:20 am

From a Canadian and climate skeptic, this is an historic outcome! Congratulations to America on a wise choice. Hopefully we may start to see an end to the flawed AGW movement.

Bob Lyman
Reply to  Ron
November 9, 2016 3:05 am

Perhaps, finally, we will see the issuance of a Presidential Permit approving the Keystone XL Pipeline, although I assume that a new application will have to be filed. This is good news for Canadian oil producers, American oil refiners, the companies that will build the pipeline and supply the steel and other materials needed and for the people who will have jobs building it. Rationality at last!

Reply to  Bob Lyman
November 9, 2016 12:52 pm

You’ve just described our company, which has taken a huge sales hit with the decline in the oil patch. If Mr T can get Keystone rolling again it’ll indeed be very good news for Canada.

Ray in SC
Reply to  Bob Lyman
November 9, 2016 6:09 pm

The Keystone pipeline was included in Trump’s ‘Contract with America’. If you have not heard of this, check it out. Once you read it, you will understand why the MSM suppressed it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/22/donald-trump-contract-with-the-american-voter/

Man Bearpigg
Reply to  Ron
November 9, 2016 5:48 am

Ron, run for the hills mate. The American Liberals are queuing up to move the Canada.

MarkW
Reply to  Man Bearpigg
November 9, 2016 7:56 am

How about a trade. Canada takes our liberals, and we’ll take all the sane people who live up there?

Monna Manhas
Reply to  Man Bearpigg
November 9, 2016 8:51 am

MarkW, that is an unfair trade and you know it. We already have more than enough liberals in Canada.

MarkW
Reply to  Man Bearpigg
November 9, 2016 11:03 am

Monna, I’m hoping they reach critical mass and implode.

Reply to  Ron
November 9, 2016 12:48 pm

We can hope…

AC
November 9, 2016 1:23 am

God Bless America. Stay safe DJT!

MarkW
Reply to  AC
November 9, 2016 11:06 am

Interesting how the party that loves to define themselves as the party of love and compassion behaves when they don’t get their way:
http://www.infowars.com/hillary-supporters-burn-american-flag-riot-threaten-to-kill-trump-after-losing-election/

David L. Fair
Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 4:36 pm

It is illegal to call for killing anyone, much less the President Elect. You go to jail for advocating violence on the President.

allen duffy
November 9, 2016 1:25 am

My vote (if I had one) for the new science advisor: Richard Linzen

Lee L
Reply to  allen duffy
November 9, 2016 1:29 am

Now THAT is a great idea.

dennisambler
Reply to  allen duffy
November 9, 2016 3:06 am

And Chris Horner as AG

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  dennisambler
November 9, 2016 6:22 am

I’m positive that Trump’s pick for AG should be and probably will be …. Rudy Giuliani.

Catcracking
Reply to  dennisambler
November 9, 2016 8:43 am

I recall he indicated that Trey Gawdy was the choice for AG who is an excellent choice and an orator,

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  dennisambler
November 9, 2016 9:27 am

OOPS, I forgot about Trey Gawdy …….. and “yup”, he would make for a fine AG.
Younger, heathier and with more vim n’ vigor than Rudy.

AndyG55
Reply to  allen duffy
November 9, 2016 11:46 am

close !.. I think it will be Roy Spencer, as advisor on climate.!

Johna Till Johnson
Reply to  AndyG55
November 9, 2016 5:17 pm
allen duffy
November 9, 2016 1:26 am

Correction: Lindzen

Joe
Reply to  allen duffy
November 9, 2016 10:00 am

Somewhere, there is a Richard Linzen who is devastated

NeilC
November 9, 2016 1:26 am

Congratulation to President Elect Donald Trump. Let’s hope he acts swiftly to disband the hugely expensive Climate Change Scam.
Perhaps the rest of the world will take note and bring common sense back to our politians, especially in the UK.

South River Independent
Reply to  NeilC
November 9, 2016 1:08 pm

Trump is not officially President Elect until the Electoral College votes and sends the results to the House of Representatives. (I believe the electors are not required by law to vote for the winner of their state, so they may vote for someone else.)

Lee L
November 9, 2016 1:27 am

Hmm I dunno. I just heard his ‘president elect’ speech and he was talking about renewing all the infrastructure in the USA. Maybe..just maybe…getting in on that pork was the whole point of this exercise.
Rebuilding of cities, bike lanes, densification, towers….it’s still the green agenda ( 21 that is).
He’s surprised us before.

TG
Reply to  Lee L
November 9, 2016 2:20 am

Lee please get real, the US infrastructure is crumbling and needs rebuilding and Trump is the last person to build or fund a bloody bike line or approve of ANY UN agenda.
And I have always been a lover of cycling, I just don’t need a green dream bike lane to enjoy it.

Tom Judd
Reply to  Lee L
November 9, 2016 10:10 am

Relax Lee. Trump’s a real estate developer – a builder. He actually makes things. And, largely acquired his wealth that way. And, as a builder he knows how to manage an operation.
Now, look at the rest of ’em: investment bankers, hedge fund managers, currency manipulators, corporate raiders, inside traders, speculators, and, of course, lawyers. Agenda 21 was conceived by this group.
Clear it up, any?

Reply to  Tom Judd
November 9, 2016 12:55 pm

Well said Tom. All thieves, from Soros on down. Funny how not one ever went to jail for the sub-prime/tainted asset fiasco. Just manipulators protecting manipulators.

November 9, 2016 1:27 am

Fantastic news! I’ve been watching it all night on TV (here in the UK).
Now at last, maybe we can look forward to some sanity being injected into the world of climate ‘science’. And an end to the pointless, unnecessary and useless squandering of huge amounts of money.
What an amazing, cataclysmic, event. The people have spoken.

Janus100
Reply to  Luc Ozade (@Luc_Ozade)
November 9, 2016 5:14 am

Let’s hope so.
Congratulations

Chris Wright
Reply to  Luc Ozade (@Luc_Ozade)
November 9, 2016 5:59 am

Yes, it is amazing and hopeful news (I’m in the UK also, went to bed at 7 AM when it was clear Trump had won).
Trump is far from perfect, but he was the least worst option by several million miles.
His acceptance speech was moderate and well-judged. I’m hoping he will be a good president if not a great one.
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But if he really can turn the tide of the man-made climate change catastrophe, then he will be a great president. By “catastrophe” I am of course referring to the corruption of climate science and the squandering of billions of dollars on incompetently trying to solve a problem that is completely imaginary. Our generation is lucky to have lived in a period of warming. I think most of the warming was natural and probably no more than a natural recovery from the Little Ice Age, or simply a continuation of the cycle of warm periods such as the MWP. If CO2 had any effect on the warming then it was small and completely beneficial. And there seems to be little doubt that increased CO2 is making the world dramatically greener. And yet green extremists like Clinton and Obama call CO2 “pollution” – the very thing that makes the world green.
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I hope Trump will quickly scrap the Paris agreement and take action on the EPA. I hope he appoints a science adviser who is at least balanced if not a climate sceptic – but Richard Lindzen would make a fantastic science adviser. It’s ironic that John Holdren has spent an entire career making predictions of doom that never came to pass. But the real catastrophe (for the doom mongers) was something they failed to see coming: the Trump presidency!
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My main worry is that Trump’s opinion on climate change comes from ignorance rather than knowledge. But he does have some knowledge: in a speech he mentioned that the big fear in the 70’s was global cooling.
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Next year we may conceivably have another climate sceptic in power: Nicolas Sarkozy. He has stated that the climate is always changing and that the current global warming is not actually a problem.
We live in interesting times!
Chris

South River Independent
Reply to  Chris Wright
November 9, 2016 1:13 pm

I think, “May you live in interesting times” is a Chinese curse.

joelobryan
November 9, 2016 1:30 am

Developed nations also need to dump the latest 2016 HFC-Kigali scam treaty as well as the 2015 Paris Non-Treaty Treaty.

November 9, 2016 1:32 am

Hopefully, the AGW movement gets swept into the garbage truck that’s roaming around somewhere in Morocco.

Dr_G
November 9, 2016 1:33 am

First time I have commented on this blog, but I have followed it for 10 years. Today is a historic day, for it may signal the end of the pseudo-science of CAGW due to CO2. The funding will decline in the next few years in the USA for the pseudo-science, no signing of idiotic treaties and the end of the gravy train.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dr_G
November 9, 2016 9:27 am

Good to hear your voice at last, Dr. G.. 🙂
So, you have been here from the very beginning. One of the few who can claim that honor.
Heads up, everyone:
WUWT will be 10 years old on November 17th
Ten years since a man with an idea asked with a hopeful grin, “So does anybody have any gee-whiz questions?”
And keep on commenting, charter member Dr. G.. It’s FUN!

November 9, 2016 1:34 am

A few things need to happen now.
We need him to follow through on halting the billions headed for the UN Climate and redirecting that money to cleaning up our own water and air, which has nothing to do with C02.
We also need to distribute the list of names of all the celebrities who said they’d leave if he was elected to our border checkpoints so their names can be checked off on the way out 🙂
Quite a day…

Reply to  jimmaine
November 9, 2016 2:23 am

Funny that , there was a report the Canadian immigration web site crashed within minutes of the results.
Jim It’s going to be a long list but I agree. What po’s me is that Americans pee on Canada all the time , about our health system/ taxes/ gas prices and so on. Do these idiots really think things are going to change overnight in the USA? Then my conclusion is that Americans are a lot less informed ( dumber) than I thought.

mrmethane
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 2:41 am

I can do without a horde of latte-sipping, bedwetting Sandalistas invading my country. We don’t need the angst of not knowing which washroom to use and who/what we might find therein, whether or not we’re inflicting traumatic micro-aggressions upon some victimhood-craving neurotic, committing something far worse than “original sin” just by being male or whatever, or blurting out some heinously horrible euphemism like “Merry Christmas”. But, I fear, the Libs will welcome the opportunity to gain another phalanx of rent-seeking voters, whom I might call “illegitimate aliens”, in quest of more subservient voters. Methinks we need a Trump.

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 5:01 am

@mrmethane.
That did make me laugh. I hope you Canuk’s shut the door and tell the lily livered cowards to go back and fight for what they should believe in. They are quick to take what they want when it’s all going their way but as soon as things get tough, the rats all jump ship looking for another easy life.

Janus100
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 5:21 am

I’ll do all in my part to stop them from coming, e.g. Voting..
We don’t want them here.

Greg61
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 7:36 am

Wait until these idiots find out what Canada’s top tax rate is for individuals. They’re all for hiking taxes, as long as it isn’t theirs. Just like they are all for making us all give up our big homes, cars etc, as long as they don’t have to.

Darrell Demick
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 10:36 am

Ahhhh, …… , basking in the glory ……
I do laugh at the Hollywood crew (mob) who are so distraught about the outcome. Mind you, Hollywood is a dream within a dream, isn’t it? Has Leo come out like a baby crying, …. , yet? That is okay, patience is a virtue, I can wait. And oh, by the way, cry me a river ……
Yes, funny how the whole “climate change” topic was so neatly ignored by both parties during this election process and maybe, just maybe, carbon dioxide will now be seen by the vast majority as the “molecule of life”, which it is. Pedal to the metal on continuing the pursuit to the real truth surrounding the real science!

jazznick1
Reply to  jimmaine
November 9, 2016 2:31 am
urederra
Reply to  jazznick1
November 9, 2016 3:14 am

They won´t leave. They are DiCaprio wannabees, and like Leonardo, who blames anybody using combustion engine cars for creating “global warming” but he flies around the world in his private jet, they want others to leave the country, but they won´t leave.
The Canadian inmigration web site may have collapsed due to inquiries from illegal aliens, not from celebrities.

Thomho
Reply to  jazznick1
November 9, 2016 4:18 am

Its funny but Australia just like the US has a Canada too — but in our case Its called New Zealand. A beautiful country with a world beating Rugby Team but a population about one tenth of ours and a lower GDP per capita-leading to about one million of their folk living in our nation
However sometimes Its inhabitants do tend to moralize a bit about big bad uncouth Australia -not unlike like the way some Canucks do to the US.
On the other hand every so often some well -to -do Australian bleeding heart announces he is sickened by Australia and its policies and because he is ashamed to be an Australian he is going to emigrate to NZ.
But they never do- and my guess is the US celebs will be just as full of hot air and wont be hightailing off to freezing Canada from sunny LA or Palm springs

Paul Penrose
Reply to  jazznick1
November 9, 2016 8:33 am

We need to hound them until they leave.

Editor
Reply to  jazznick1
November 9, 2016 10:10 am

Can we make Donald pay for the wall along our southern border to keep them out?

Ron
Reply to  jimmaine
November 9, 2016 6:22 am

Well don’t send those whining Liberals up here to Canada. We have enough of our own. .
Maybe Mexico or Venezuela?

Danny V
Reply to  Ron
November 9, 2016 7:43 am

Ron – Agreed.
I hear Venezuela is the leftist utopia. /s
“Reap what you sow” goes the saying

Terry Gednalske
Reply to  Ron
November 9, 2016 10:15 am

Yes! They deserve Venezuela.

November 9, 2016 1:35 am

The majority of American people have rebuked Obama, Washington elites and climate rent-seekers. Expect violent reactions from the watermelons and takers in our society.

tony mcleod
Reply to  charlieskeptic
November 9, 2016 5:51 am

I have absolutely no time for Trump. In my estimation he is a mendacious sociopath. But I do kind of feel sorry for him in that he is being delivered the biggest hospital pass of all time. The festering toilet of a US financial system is going to really start stinking up soon and its a pity the Washington/Wall Street establishment who oversaw the rackets and theft are going to avoid most of the blame.
On Climate change you will see an extraordinary back-flip with half pike and double twist from Trump in about 10 months time. And I think Anthony will be joining him.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 9, 2016 8:29 am

Tony,
You forgot the sarc tags! If not, then I feel sorry for you. See you in 10 months time, if you have the guts to admit you were spectacularly wrong.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 9, 2016 8:37 am

So, tony mcleod, you are actually accusing Trump of (mendacity) being a lying, untruthful, dishonest, deceitful, false, dissembling, insincere, disingenuous, hypocritical, fraudulent, double-dealing, two-faced, Janus-faced, two-timing, duplicitous person extraordinaire …… and a sociopath …. ta boot.
It sure sounds to me like you are one hellishly unhappy, highly PO’ed, dastardly angry …… “Crooked” Hillary Clinton admirer, worshipper and supporter ….. who just had their “sweet dreams” turn into a gawd awful “nightmare” when all the “votes” were tallied.

joel
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 9, 2016 8:58 am

Would you care to make sense?

tony mcleod
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 9, 2016 3:15 pm

I’m predicting a blue water Arctic next summer Paul what’s yours.
No Samuel you could hardly be more incorrect. Who your leader is will have little to no affect on me, so I’m perfectly content. And I think Hillary is equally mendacious and only slightly less sociopathic and that she would have represented a continuation of the grift and theft that has been facilitated by her ilk for decades now.
As much of a pig I think Donald is he doesn’t deserve the shit storm he is inheriting.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 10, 2016 6:51 am

he doesn’t deserve the shit storm he is inheriting.
You are right, but someone had to inherit it and Trump is one of the best qualified to do it.
The sooner someone starts “draining the DC swamp of graft, corruption and thievery” …… the sooner the saving of our Constitutional Republic will occur.
And if the “draining” is going to cause uncontrolled anarchy, ….. then the sooner the better ….. so that the clean-up and re-building can begin.

MarkW
Reply to  charlieskeptic
November 9, 2016 8:05 am

Already had riots on the left coast.

joelobryan
November 9, 2016 1:35 am

ProTip: buy futures in hard drive manufacturers.
Millions of federal govt computer drives to crash by Jan 20, 2017.

Menicholas
Reply to  joelobryan
November 9, 2016 2:09 am

LOL!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  joelobryan
November 9, 2016 2:51 am

Maybe she used the cloud? There for evah!

Darrell Demick
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 10:47 am

But, ….. , wait a minute, ….. , low level “cloud” coverage is responsible for global cooling. Are you therefore implying that additional usage of the “cloud” will lead to a future (now) cooling trend??!?!!?
Oops, sorry, that is more in the real of cosmoclimatology, and not politicians! Phew, for a nanosecond I was truly afraid!

radzimir
Reply to  joelobryan
November 9, 2016 3:20 am
Griff
November 9, 2016 1:35 am

Naturally I see this very differently…
The physics of the atmosphere and sea ice will work on regardless – there well could be an ice free arctic summer, more super storms, record temperature years during his term.
While Trump dismantles any solution or objective measure to what’s going on, warming still continues.
This is a triumph only for easy answers and politically driven science.
The rest of the world will continue with the new industrial revolution of renewables while America gets left behind.
The world has changed since the 1950s and all the promises can’t re-employ a US blue collar workforce. Coal is not coming back in the US (shale gas nailed it dead).
Still, cognitive dissonance will let people ride through each disappointment and failure and ignore the climate issues. I expect he’ll get elected again in 4 years, even as he blames others for failed US industry and the ocean laps at his feet in Florida.
enjoy it while it lasts!

Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 1:39 am

Poor Griffie. Still doesn’t get it.

Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 1:43 am

Renewables are an anti-industrial revolution. Renewables are what we had before the actual industrial revolution.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 1:59 am

Phillip: Did you hear the guy on R4 Today this morning? His name escapes me now but he is a big mate of Soros and runs a huge investment fund? He said that he voted Clinton but shorted the US on Trump. What a patriot!

Sandy In Limousin
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 2:26 am

Harry Passfield
I heard it but can’t remember his name either. I had the same thought as you.
Isn’t Trump against Hedge Funds so whoever he was he may end up a loser anyway?

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 4:58 am

Dick? Rogers

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 1:44 am

“Griff November 9, 2016 at 1:35 am
This is a triumph only for easy answers and politically driven science.”
You said it! This is exactly what climate science is! Well done Griff, open mouth, now change foot!

AndyG55
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 9, 2016 2:34 am

How can he change foot when he has both in his mouth ?????

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 10, 2016 1:51 am

I would imagine Griff would have to remove his head from somewhere else first.

Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:17 am

Griff, it’s no longer 2001. There’s been a political change. Your view of science is wrong. There has and always will be extreme weather/climate. And by the best estimates, if AGW was right, going to zero emissions 20 years ago, very little would change the catastrophic events that were predicted. AGW was/is all hype and fear mongering to achieve an objective. I look foward to AGW being dismantled. In 20 years, nothing happened. Nothing happened based on the math that underlaid AGW. It was wrong from the start.
Good luck finding a new career.

Griff
Reply to  rishrac
November 9, 2016 4:07 am

The arctic sea ice proves your position is wrong… so does 2016 -hottest year in the record.

Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 6:51 am

2016 being warm does not prove the link between co2 causing temperature to rise. You are backwards, temperatures cause co2 to rise. The graph showing the yearly TOTAL co2 is wrong in context. Next year 2017, no el nino, not as warm, co2 ppm will decline. The only thing that that your graph shows is that there has been warming, co2 increase is a result, not the cause.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  rishrac
November 9, 2016 4:14 am

There was less in the 1950’s and in the 1980’s. There are pictures of the events.

MarkW
Reply to  rishrac
November 9, 2016 8:09 am

It really is amazing how Griffie only sees what he wants to see.
A few months ago when arctic ice was way above the 2012 level, it meant nothing. Now that it is temporarily below the 2012 level, it’s proof that the ice will be gone in a couple of years.
As always, he tries to pretend that the recent El Nino was nothing more than CO2 in action. Even as the pulse of warmth disappears, he’s still trying to pretend that it’s a permanent feature.

Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 8:45 am

I think one of the problems is with the graph that C/AGW believes in . It’s misleading. My stance is no longer that C/AGW is flawed, it’s fraud. They had to know that graph is misleading.

tony mcleod
Reply to  rishrac
November 9, 2016 3:19 pm
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 9, 2016 3:24 pm

I did say that there has been an underlying warming. I didn’t say co2 was the cause of the warming. Just the opposite warming causes more co2. And that is born out by the record.

Bryan
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:19 am

If Clinton had not cheated Sanders out of winning the Democratic Nomination Griff might be happier now

Reply to  Bryan
November 9, 2016 2:41 am

Guys, please stop answering griff, he is trolling and gets off every time somebody replies him. Please stop and soon it will go away.

AndyG55
Reply to  Bryan
November 9, 2016 3:48 am

Gees asybot.. everyone is entitled to a bit of fun !!

Griff
Reply to  Bryan
November 9, 2016 4:08 am

meh… I don’t think Bernie was a realistic candidate… any more than Corbyn would be in the UK.
(And greens like Stein don’t understand technology)

Griff
Reply to  Bryan
November 9, 2016 4:10 am

asybot
I’m trying to see that this is a debate, not a long queue of people just agreeing with stuff.
There are alternate viewpoints that skeptics need to master by reasoned debate, not wallpapering…

mwh
Reply to  Bryan
November 9, 2016 5:12 am

Griff – there are numerous people who come on here that hold your views and are debated with vigorously because they know how to concede a point or reason a point with honest facts. I dont like those who will not listen to contrary views before they spout a lot of trite conjecture (both sides of the argument) – please consider yourself included from now on on my ‘ignore until he/she says something new and interesting’ list

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Bryan
November 9, 2016 5:32 pm

“Griff November 9, 2016 at 4:10 am
asybot
I’m trying to see that this is a debate, not a long queue of people just agreeing with stuff.
There are alternate viewpoints that skeptics need to master by reasoned debate, not wallpapering…”
Show me where there has been ANY reasoned debate by alarmists?

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:21 am

Useful idiot lucky Hilary did not get elected after useful idiots are generally the first to get shot. To bad his simple mind cannot grasp that.!

Griff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 4:06 am

which is why today the UK govt announced continued support for renewables and a plan for permanent abandonment of coal??

ClimateOtter
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 5:04 am

The UK will cease to be of any consequence to the world within a few years of that decision, griff.

mwh
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 5:22 am

ClimatOtter since we have virtually ceased using our own coal supplies thats not a particularly difficult decision. I would be much more worried if we were turning our back on gas, oil and nuclear. Renewables as they stand are not an economic solution and our present PM seems to know that, but to back out of any renewable infrastructure would be a backward step as the cost per KW is rapidly declining as new and more efficient methods are found and there is an increasing demand place for renewables combined with independent storage.
The UK is one of the worlds leading innovators so should not be giving up on alternative power supply methods

Janus100
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 5:31 am

Eric, nothing wrong with burning coal in a well scrubbed supercritical boiler.
But nuclear is cheaper and US should start building nukes right away.
Not for CO2 emission reduction, just because it is a great source of energy.
The problem with the spent fuel is solved long time ago.

MikeP
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 8:23 am

Also, look at China’s planned expansion of coal use by 2020. It dwarfs anything we might be doing.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 9:29 am

@Griff
The UK’s head-long rush to Third World status is not a reason for the US to join in a suicide pact. See Neville Chamberlain for previous examples of less-than-stellar decision-making by our friends across the pond.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 9, 2016 5:31 pm

“ClimateOtter November 9, 2016 at 5:04 am
The UK will cease to be of any consequence to the world within a few years of that decision, griff.”
That happened after Suez, in 1952 IIRC.

AndyG55
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:32 am

“The physics of the atmosphere and sea ice will work on regardless ”
Yep… but that is nothing you have even the most basic knowledge of.

AndyG55
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:33 am

Poor Griff.
I hope your mommy cleared all the sharp implements out of your bedroom !!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  AndyG55
November 9, 2016 3:34 am

Hee-hee! Nice one, Andy. I guess Griff is one of the legion of warmistas who believe they can control the climate – but not the weather.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:39 am

I have family and friends who feel like Griff. I also remember a little of the horror and pollution of WWII. I also remember the first (?) green revolution two generations ago when we learned that we would starve without hydrocarbons, the important basis of civilization. Energy is too important to leave entirely to the experts.
It also seems that our founders produced a very wise document that we almost lost.

dennisambler
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 3:10 am

“and the ocean laps at his feet in Florida.”
Never bothered Al Gore……

Griff
Reply to  dennisambler
November 9, 2016 4:05 am

Dear old Al…
People outside the US have no idea who he is!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  dennisambler
November 9, 2016 5:30 pm

“Griff November 9, 2016 at 4:05 am
Dear old Al…
People outside the US have no idea who he is!”
Hummm…rather, it is you who has no idea. Al is well known as the man who found man-bear-pig, 50% man, 50% bear, 50% pig, and he’s cereal!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 3:38 am

…and the ocean laps at his [Trump’s] feet in Florida.

Tell me, Griff, how many feet mm has the sea in Florida risen since, say, Clinton (W) became POTUS? Why should it rise any higher in the next four years?

tom s
Reply to  Harry Passfield
November 9, 2016 11:57 am

HUH? Obama reversed the sea levels. He said so!! HE SAID SO DANG IT!!

Brett Keane
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 3:44 am

enjoy it while it lasts!
Too bloody right!

hunter
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 4:57 am

Griff, you are wrong because you are wrong on how the physics plays out. You are wrong because it has been the democrats ignoring this along with you. Frankly you are stuck on stupid.

RockyRoad
Reply to  hunter
November 9, 2016 7:21 am

^ This is the most accurate explanation of Griff’s “science”; lies masquerading as science.

Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 5:10 am

Meanwhile, NASA reports the the planets 14% greening over the last 30 years, 70% of it from increased atmospheric CO2. Can you point me to anything in climate alarmism that’s increased by 14% in 30 years?

fretslider
Reply to  HotScot
November 9, 2016 8:09 am

Can you point me to anything in climate alarmism that’s increased by 14% in 30 years
Their desperation

Latitude
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 5:38 am

Still, cognitive dissonance….
Trump is a horrible man…he gave someone a wedgie
Clinton….rape, white trash, mafia shake down operation, lies about everything, makes crap up, pay for play, destabilized the entire mid-east, ….
got it?

Kamikazedave
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 5:52 am

Griff, you mention science quite often in your posts. What you really mean when you mention “science” is only the politically driven science that supports your pre-conceived conclusions. The only way you can truly believe what you do is by ignoring the vast quantity of real science that shows CAGW is nonsense.
Thanks to last night’s election, CAGW will be relegated to the trash heap of history right where it belongs. Time for you to find another cause. This one is dead.

MarkW
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 8:07 am

Griffie talking about cognitive dissonance. Irony abounds.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 8:40 am

I too remember being young and making all kinds of confident statements about things that I really didn’t understand. Then I got older and wiser and understood what a fool I was then, shooting off my mouth. I’ve had to eat a lot of crow since then, and let me tell you it doesn’t taste very good. But nothing I say will sway you who believe with all your heart, so I only hope that someday you will come to understand just how much you really don’t know.

joel
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 8:59 am

Talk about delusional.
How about doing what works and pays?

tom s
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 11:45 am

Super storms? Oh my!! I am very very scared. Please help! So let me summarize…TORNADOES-Flat to down…..TROPICAL CYCLONES-Flat to down….GLOBAL DROUGHT….Flat….ANTARCTIC ICE…growing….ANTARCTIC TEMPS…falling most areas…..WILDFIRES….Flat to down. And on and on and on. The crisis is this….take what has always happened in nature and politicize it for $$ gain.

Darrell Demick
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 12:26 pm

Griff, sorry but you are so ill informed, I truly feel for you.
History, whether viewed in millions of years of in the past 30 years, clearly shows that a warmer planet is a more benign one. Weather related damage as a function of global GDP has DROPPED by 25% in the past 20+ years. The biggest difference is that all forms of social media pounce on the next hurricane, etc.
The higher cost of energy associated with renewables is responsible for the incredibly high costs in Europe and Scandinavia, and closer to home in New York, California and Ontario (Canada). The estimate of fatalities associated with “heat or eat” in the cold winter of 2011-2012 in Great Britain was 30,000. Why are no manslaughter charges being investigated?!??!
And finally, Germany, the conclusion of their renewable efforts is very clearly stated in the following quote: “We should regard the country’s experience as a cautionary tale of massively expensive environmental and energy policy that is devoid of economic and environmental benefits”. EXACT QUOTE!
Yes, Griff, I would love to be left behind, especially given that CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas, it does NOT drive atmospheric temperature (it is the other way around, so saying that CO2 drives temperature is exactly identical to saying that “the tail wags the dog”), it IS the molecule of life (without CO2 there are no plants, no photosynthesis, no oxygen and by default, no life on planet Earth), and higher atmospheric CO2 concentrations ARE responsible for increased crop yields – a very good thing given that we are at 7.4 billion and growing, with no end in sight to the growth.
Please remember, cold kills way more people that heat does.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 1:42 pm

put a sock in it, there’s a good boy…

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2016 2:18 pm

Your not making any forecasts. Make a forecast so we can all take the piss when it fails. Lets say for next year after USA has cancelled the UN

Mick
November 9, 2016 1:36 am

Hmmm… I like to see how would he and he’s administration can do it… I mean, so many ‘rent-seeker’ and interest groups, big business lobbies, universities …left-wing groups, hippies bla bla It seems to be impossible task to unscramble the eggs. In the last 20+ years since the Berlin wall fell, the Left ‘infiltrated’ all the institutions and most of the publicly funded media so they control the ‘meme’ the ‘outrage-industry’ etc.
I would love to see an other RR POTUS (my hero) … not sure president Trump can fix what is broken, rebuild what has been demolished and seek trust for science.
Mick (from ex comm country)

Reply to  Mick
November 9, 2016 1:41 am

By continuing what he did to get elected: Ignore the slimy ba$tards and work with people willing to effect meaningful change.

Reply to  Mick
November 9, 2016 2:48 am

@ Mick,
“in the last 20+ years since the Berlin wall fell, the Left ‘infiltrated’ all the institutions’
Mick, actually they started right after WWII, read Jan Kozak’s book, ” And not a shot fired” ( Used “refugees” to infiltrate.) it used to be on Amazon, don’t know if it is still available.

Mick
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 3:24 am

Cheers, asybot …will look it up.

FredericE
Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 5:15 am

PDF download http://www.robertwelchuniversity.org/Not a Shot.pdf . Free. Have not read yet and not sure if an abridged version. Discovered when reading Amazon review on book.

Reply to  asybot
November 9, 2016 8:03 am

@asybot
Just had a look on Amazon (UK): there are three entries for that book: “And Not a Shot Is Fired” by Jan Kozak. Prices range from £89 to £512! Lol. I won’t be ordering this anytime soon.

November 9, 2016 1:37 am

Brexit, plus, plus, plus.

Brad Keyes
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2016 4:53 am

Clexit

MarkW
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 9, 2016 8:25 am

Faster, please.

Brad Keyes
November 9, 2016 1:39 am

Bu-but-what about all the things we’ve learned about the natural world courtesy of climate science? It’s not just a funding spigot Trump is threatening to turn off, it’s a knowledge spigot!

gnomish
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 9, 2016 3:10 am

fund it with your own money and keep your cake hooks off everyvody else’s.
which you won’t cuz you are not sincere.

Brad Keyes
Reply to  gnomish
November 9, 2016 3:37 am

You got me. I keep forgetting my “/can’t because I’m not sincere” tag. Chapeau bas, mon ami.

AndyG55
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 9, 2016 3:47 am

lol.. you are a funny fella, Brad;-)

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 9, 2016 2:20 pm

Knowledge we cant use and dont need. You have never forecast climate accurately and never will be able. Waste of money and effort.

Brad Keyes
Reply to  Stephen Richards
November 9, 2016 2:44 pm

Who, moi? I’ve personally made a number of accurate climate forecasts that were derided by the sneering classes until History wiped the smirks off their faces. In 2006, I assured all who would listen that in ten years’ time, climate change would still be killing fewer people than Islam. This year, to the admiring gasps of my audience, I renewed that forecast for another decade. (And not for the last time, I’d bet real money.)
But there’s more to science than prediction, Stephen. For instance, projection (the ability to tell that climate skeptics are tobacco-financed, oil-suborned, scientifically-illiterate hypocrites) was honed to a fine art by leading climate “thinkers” like A. Albert Gore, Rajendra Pachauri and David Karoly. And what thanks did they get? Framed for textual harassment! Targeted by an organized campaign of dead rats on doorsteps! Dishonored, like prophets in their own villages!

Richard Keen
November 9, 2016 1:43 am
TinyCO2
Reply to  Richard Keen
November 9, 2016 2:31 am

Love it. LOL.

Brett Keane
Reply to  TinyCO2
November 9, 2016 3:49 am

Mais oui, nous deplorables. Quelle comeuppance!! Vive les Deplorables pour l’eternite.

tony mcleod
Reply to  Richard Keen
November 9, 2016 5:25 am

Orwell would be fascinated.

commieBob
Reply to  Richard Keen
November 9, 2016 5:27 am

The flags are blowing in all different directions. What could it possibly mean?

David Chappell
Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 6:26 am

It’s a NASA fake?

Mike McMillan
Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 6:28 am

Frontal passage.

steven isiti
Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 6:50 am

Simple Bob, multiple polar vortexes…..after last night, there should be less of them. A lot less.

DCA
Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 7:53 am

There is very little wind (look at the two on the left). The other flags are being waved.

Leo Smith
Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 1:44 pm

political whirlwind

Stephen Richards
Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 2:21 pm

C’est les Déplorables. Ils sont les plebs.

Reply to  commieBob
November 9, 2016 10:32 pm

It’s global warming! :0

Robin Hewitt
November 9, 2016 1:44 am

Does this mean that the people of a world in the grip of an ice age, teetering on the brink of the next great glaciation, will no longer be trying to cool the place down?
That would seem eminently sensible.

charles nelson
November 9, 2016 1:45 am

The Millennial Cult, the Global Warming Panic, the Climate Change Hysteria….has run its course.
Some of us called it sooner than others.
In a few years time there will be no need for a site like WUWT.
Now is the time to evolve!
Best wishes to everyone in the USA…’the greatest gift to the world’!

Reply to  charles nelson
November 9, 2016 1:51 am

Charles, President Trump will be tested sorely. WUWT will provide support against the barbarians.

drednicolson
Reply to  charlieskeptic
November 9, 2016 2:12 am

Even after the great Gore Bull Woe Mann swindle is finally put to rest, I’m sure WUWT will stick around as a general climate research and discussion site.

charles nelson
Reply to  charlieskeptic
November 9, 2016 2:14 am

Haven’t you been watching?
The President ‘leads’ all governmental bodies in their policy direction…that’s why we’ve had the anaemic embarrassment of Obama’s Climate posturing…sure it may take a couple of years but soon we wlll have actual scientists back in control of our key government Agencies!

MarkW
Reply to  charlieskeptic
November 9, 2016 8:27 am

Other than the politics surrounding AGW, I would prefer that WUWT steer clear of politics. There are enough political sites around if that is your thing.

Non Nomen
Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 8:35 am

As long as figures like Michael Mann and that ilk are spreading nonsense, fully supported by politicians and politics, there ought to be an intelligent and sane counterweight to that. That’s what WUWT is, imho.

Reply to  MarkW
November 9, 2016 11:50 am

Climate barbarians, Mark.

Wim Goossen
November 9, 2016 1:46 am

Being “Green” is not all about Global Warming. It is also being sensible in the use of our planet (do you know another one on which to live). Using LED saves electricity. Bikes are good for small distance commuting etc. And I heard that a lot of infrastructure is past there replacement date. Let’s wait for the factual plans before acting like a “GW hothead”, we are supposed to be the “Cool Guys”

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Wim Goossen
November 9, 2016 2:01 am

This rock we live on has a shelf life, and one day, it will be expired, with us or not. So lets use our resources the best way possible, ie, nuclear for power generation, after all, climate change driven by human emissions of CO2, primarily from power generation, is the cause, right?