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Last night on the anchor on one of the major channels, when asked what does “Make America Great Again” mean declared that for most Trump supporters it meant an America without minorities.
Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.
This morning I was reading a report on how Democrats are devastated, one activist declared that Democrats are all about love, compassion and fairness. In the next breath she begged for someone to kill Trump.
Cognitive dissonance on overdrive.
PS: I read that a number of Californians are starting to talk about seceding. They’ve got my vote.

MarkW: I read one article that quoted a CNN “journalist” lamenting, “We did all we could for Clinton.” What an admission.
In explaining why exit polling was so wrong on another news outlet, one said something like, “They did their exit polling in the afternoon, and didn’t capture the vote of all the working people who would be voting after work. They usually vote Republican.” They completely missed the significance of that: the workers of America were tired of being taxed to death (not just income taxes, but hundreds of taxes on everything we buy, every place we go, virtually everything we do), paying for everyone’s healthcare, and getting nothing in return, not even a little respect. Working Americans turned out in droves to send the professional politicians packing.
Now maybe the working class will get at least as much attention as the 0.7% of the population who are confused as to which bathroom to use.

MarkW wrote: “Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.”
I agree. The “true believer” Lefties I know are very prone to believing any and all leftwing conspiracy theories. They hear it one time, and accept it as gospel, without question. Confirmation bias, I guess. The opposite of the skeptic mentality.

+1 jtom

>>or most Trump supporters it meant an America without minorities.
In a fashion, that is correct.
Just as in the Roman Empire, in the American Union you are supposed to be American (Roman) first, and minority culture/religion second. But far too many people have jumped upon the bandwagon of being minority first, and American (Roman) a distant third or fourth. And that niggles with a lot of people. It concerned the Romans too, because the major civil disputes the Empire suffered were always dissafected minorities who simply would not accept the Pax Romana – the Roman Peace – and the huge benefits it gave to cities, cultures, citizens and regions.
A community or nation only works, if everyone pulls in roughly the same direction. If all these ‘liberated’ minorities forget the union, and pull in completely different directions, the community or nation falls apart. And the Green-Left know this full well. I spoke to a UK Labour advisor who said he would do anything to destroy Britain. Why? Because he wanted a One World government, and the only way to achieve that is to destroy individual nations. So the program to impoverish and destabilise Amrica (and the UK) through Greenery and other means was deliberate – because that is the only way to create a One World government.
But as I said to them – what happens if the One World president turns out to be Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin, Papa Doc, or Pol Pot ??
R

“Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.”
This is the amazing thing about Progressive ideology – wherever you happen to find it, on whatever issue – they doctor the data, and then behave as if they actually believe their doctored data.
Anyone watching should have clearly seen the press (and their ‘experts) completely, willfully ignoring every trend that was so obvious in this election – so totally absorbed by a rigidly close-minded world view that they could not possibly perceive reality, even when it’s right when in front of them. It’s why Hollywood is so dominantly Progressive – they literally live in a world of make-believe. Similar to academia, who live in a world of theory – also never touched by reality – kind of a co-dependent dysfunctional relationship there – all you need is listen to who Dicaprio and his ilk quote – usually being careful not to do any thinking on their own.
I discovered the tail of the dragon researching Climate Change – it’s the same mechanism behind almost every Progressive issue.
If nothing else, this election has conclusively proved, not just the bias of the press and the Progressive left, but the deliberate dishonesty – up to and including staging violence, and faking ‘deplorable’ behavior on the part of political and ideological opponents.
Can’t let a crisis go to waste – and if you don’t have one, create one… or fake one – with computer models, paid agitators, phony polls, or simple slander – and take advantage of that. Nothing actually HAS to be real – you just need to get people to react to it.
That’s why they always appeal to the kids. They haven’t seen it before. And so they’re easy to con with bumper stickers.

But as I said to them – what happens if the One World president turns out to be Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin, Papa Doc, or Pol Pot ??

What makes you think they don’t WANT a Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin, Papa Doc, or even Pol Pot? Most of the Greens I’ve had the misfortune to talk to are not even ashamed to admit they are anti-capitalists, ether socialists of full blown Communists. And many even wish for a world population crash, to under 1 Billion and preferably down to about 500 Million, 90% living as subsistence farmers or menial laborers. This is their great dream of ‘sustainability’. Of course, they all assume that THEY will be part of the remaining 10% with cushy government jobs and all the modern luxuries. For an example of this Leftist Utopia in action just look to North Korea.

“Sheesh, these guys really do believe the lies they tell each other.”
Yes, these clowns really are echo-chamber sycophants. This creates a situation where their heads grow faster than the busy beaver function, it will take time for them to deflate.

A portmanteau of bemoaners and deplorers?

>>A portmanteau of bemoaners and deplorers?
In the UK those who wanted to ‘remain’ have become known as ‘remoaners’.
R

Ramona, come closer
Shut softly your watery eyes
The pangs of your sadness
Will pass as your senses will rise
Bob ahead of the curve as ever.

I’m very glad ( and surprised ) that Clinton did not win, now we’ll see how this clown gets on.
Probably the first time in a over a century that the US president was actually elected by the people and not “selected” by the establishment.

“Greg November 9, 2016 at 3:36 am
Probably the first time in a over a century that the US president was actually elected by the people and not “selected” by the establishment.”
And that is exactly why he won. Watch out Australia, UK, New Zealand etc etc etc etc. People have had enough of the “establishment”. We won’t eat cake, anymore!

Ditto Patrick. Us Aussies are sick and tired of the establishment ignoring us and instead demanding we do as they decree – usually by a backhand to the face or by armed policy enforcement.
Ignore us at your peril grabbermint (pathetic Greens and all Leftards included), we will have our say and you will be defeated, if Trump’s election is any indication.

@ 1saveenergy – November 9, 2016 at 3:03 am

the choice was between criminal despots like Clinton & Trump, are they really the pinnacle of USA society;

1saveenergy, this is no place for anyone to be venting their anger simply because they happen to be a longtime do-nothing “troughfeeder” sucking at the government “tit” ….. and who has been living comfortably in “the-swamp” from which Trump is going to drain all the “free” taxpayer ca$h, …… thus putting a screeching halt to their partying, drinking and high kafluting life style.

someone randomly picked off skid row would have been a better choice.

HA, ……. are you saying that you would have been “a better choice”?
I don’t think so.

1Saveenergy,
As long as that vagrant from Skid Row also won The USA Senate and Reps I am Happy as it means the Public Purse is closed to the climate scam.
That in itself is beyond fabulous but A Trump Admin not only has both Houses as Republican but, and I call upon my American Friends and Allies to verify, does it give The Trump People the Call for appointing 1 if not 2 Supreme Court Judges?
Add to that the concept of people rejecting the Overwhelming and Overbearing Media Bias and The Trump victory is extraordinary.
What will he make of it? Who knows but I think he may surprise a few.
Australia voted for a Conservative Government in 2013 (they won but later knifed their leader for a liberal type) but we did not actually get one and while Donald is not your typical Conservative he would never fall for legislating the Luvvy nonsense that has blighted Western Governments this century.
Bye Bye Miss American Pie. Bye Bye To The Climate Change Pie.
What do readers think will be the Mainstream and Internet Media response.
Our Aussie Media of nearly all types went feral and histrionic when Labour lost in 2013 and we know that the media had no love for Donald before The Election.
Also is it to soon to tell if Hillary will be back in 2 years to go for it again?
Will she return to being Hillary Rodham and…is it too early for Bill to start dating again?
And going for it again too…sorry Mr Watts…I shall put myself in the Bad Boy Corner…Again.

The 30 year hold that the Harvard-Yale Club had on the Presidency is over.

Trump attended Penn, didn’t he? That’s sort of the same club as Harvard and Yale.

The Dem establishment selected Clinton; the people selected and then elected Trump. That’s the way the system works. I’m not crazy about either party, but the principles espoused by Rs generally suit me much better than those of the communist-leaning Ds. Imperfect as he is was/is, Trump is far superior to Obama or Clinton in nearly every way. (Obama doesn’t appear to have the woman baggage that talker Trump or rapist Clinton has, but he can’t tell the truth to save his soul.)
Romney was probably about as pure and qualified a candidate as either party could nominate, but the D machine, with help from the mainstream media, managed to portray him as the devil.
Trump wasn’t my first, second or third choice, but his campaign has resonated with many, many people, and I now think he’s the right man at the right time.

Bob Cherba – when Romney tried to sway the primaries when he claimed to have secret information about Trump’s taxes that would devastate his candidacy, he proved himself to have the same moral and ethics as Harry Reid. Romney was just another bought and paid for Wall Street politician, and I regret having supported him four years ago. He would have been a Democrat-light, and the day of real change would have only been postponed.
As far as 1saveenergy, even rigged elections sometimes fail. You cannot look at the treatment given to Trump by the MSM and conclude that it was fair, accurate, or in any way balanced. And a skid row inhabitant would be better? Please, like it or not, Trump is a very successful businessman with a record of accomplishment. Thousands of people have gotten good paychecks because of his vision, and I have yet to see any criminality linked to Trump (unlike his opponent).

Greg
November 9, 2016 at 3:36 am
Nope. You forgot Reagan.

“Also is it to soon to tell if Hillary will be back in 2 years to go for it again?”
Hillary Clinton is done politically. I doubt they would let her out of jail to run anyway, even if she wanted to do so.

Is we a witsy-bitsy bitter today?

I hope you have evidence for criminality from Trump. He has already started cases against people who accused him of that during the campaign

1saveenergy:

“criminal despots like Clinton & Trump”

At this point, Hillary is well documented in her own emails;
• Providing quid pro quo, steering contracts to the Clinton Foundation and Foundation donors,
• Spending time discussing her public’s opinion while Benghazi was shrieking for help,
• Working with the DNC to sabotage opponent’s campaigns,
• Working with the DNC to flood the internet with paid trolls pretending to be HRC groupies and defenders,
• Working with the DNC to have protestors at Trump rallies, including actors to instill, simulate or cause violence. The old disabled lady who was allegedly assaulted is one example; she pulled the old insurance scam of making a loud noise while falling down. Nearby paid protestors then provided a rallying “She was beat up” cry.
• A long history of shady shenanigans, including abuse of women who filed ‘sexual harrassment’ claims against Bill Clinton.
• A long history, amazingly devoid of actual achievements for America or her State.
Trump is not accused of any crimes.
Yes, rather oddly, during the last month of campaigning, several women suddenly burst on the public scene claiming Trump assaulted them.
Yet not one has accused Trump of actual infidelities as have a stream of Bill Clinton’s accusers.
Trump is also quite willing to go to court with these ladies with their claims. Bill Clinton is know to have paid off victims for their silence.
Hillary, from her own emails and the emails of her subordinates, did act as a despot. Using her slavishly devoted subordinates, Hillary ruled with an iron fist.
Hillary never admits error or apologizes.
Trump is a business man who owns and runs a large empire of holdings.
Trumps public persona may be that of a tyrant, but no tyrant achieves worldwide growth through fear.
If you paid attention, there were a number of people over the last year, who worked for or with Trump, that defended his actual persona when negotiating, delegating or working with peers, subordinates, associates around the world; these people were publicly interviewed, only their interviews were largely ignored by leftist media. So one had to pay close attention to spot the credit where credit is due.
Once Trump swears in, Hillary and quite a few of her cronies are up for investigation and prosecution.
Trump may pardon Hillary and Bill, it is the right thing to do, but I doubt all of her willful law breakers will get off. Plus, I doubt a revitalized IRS will view the charitable earnings, so easily available to the Clintons, as much different than income. After taxes and penalties, HRC could be just another taxi driver in NYC; at least she’ll have Secret Service protection.
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There is even a picture of Bill Clinton and Trump hanging out together. Trump makes friends and allies.
Just like the Climate situation. Unless one probes and looks into the details, one is easily misled by rampant rumor and innuendo. For insight, I highly recommend Scott Adams bloggings, available at his comic site.

I don’t think the founders of the country ever said the democracy – or our equivalent – wouldn’t be messy. But it is certainly better than the alternatives.
‘Almost anyone’ could be said to be a better choice, but just how is ‘anyone’ supposed to get elected (presuming they WANT to)?
Where does our constitution say that our ‘Leader” is at the pinnacle of US society? Sorry, our ‘Leader’ is whomever we, the folks who vote, say he/she is. No one else gets a choice. They are who they are – warts and all.

“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal.”

Hahaha.
No, wait, hasn’t Ocean Obamification, or OA, been debunked?

Apparently the Canadian immigration web site crashed around midnight last night.
Perhaps for once, the liberals will keep their word and move.

GWB was a neo-con leader. HRC is a progressive liberal. Many of the same moderate independent voters who voted against Bush also voted against Hillary, recognising that the right and left wings have a common goal of despotism.

@Pop Piasa
If by “neo-con” you mean “not really a conservative” you’d be right. Frankly, the Republican party isn’t all that conservative either. They haven’t shown much spine in “The Olde Guard” for really tackling the issues like over-regulation and overspending. Some of the young Turks have been pushing hard, but without seniority and clout they haven’t gotten far.

Yes, DJ. I think the same folks who found GWB more dangerous would have thought differently about Gore if they knew the future. But we all have seen the pendulum swing towards despotic socialism for 16 years and it’s time for the conservatism of Lincoln’s party to reemerge.

Mark, trust me, we don’t want there here.

“Democrats are going to double down on their hate and vitriol.”
The Dems are at a pretty high level of hate and vitriol now.
I heard a CNN anchor this morning asking Trump’s campaign manager Kelly Ann Conway, if Trump would waive prosecution of Hillary. You will hear a lot more of that tune from the Left in the future.
Kelly Ann said she didn’t know what Trump was going to do about that issue. 🙂
Hillary should be prosecuted. She is definitely guilty of numerous federal crimes. As far as her actually serving jail time, her Elite status will probably prevent that, even with Trump in Office. That’s too bad too, because she and the rest really do deserve jail time. There are a lot of people in jail who have done much less than the Clintons.
Taking all Hillary’s money away from her, in the form of fines, might be as painful to her as jail time. We should take all her ill-gotten gains away from her.

“Perhaps for once, the liberals will keep their word and move.”
Sorry, but up here in Canada, we’re talking about building a wall to keep liberal refugees out. We don’t want them, we have more than enough of our own.

Dear Shocker,
Nope, they’re going up there to you. Payback for kicking our ass during the the Revolutionary war and the war of 1812.

Who was it who said: “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, and that’s good enough for success in politics”?
Ian M

Dear Mr. P.,
The USA is not in the Paris Agreement. The U.S. Senate never ratified it. It is merely empty words on paper. Nothing more.
There — that was easy. On to more important things: like working with Congress to lower the corporate income tax rate and freeing up the energy production industry to make JOBS happen! 🙂
Sincerely,
Janice M.

Janice,
To be sure, as the minister of the environment of France, Ségalène Royal just has declared that the US can’t pull out of the Paris Agreement within three years:
Is it certain that Obama couldn’t legally sign the agreement without a majority of the votes in the Senate?

Ferdinand,
The US constitution requires that treaties be ratfied by the US Senate with a two-thirds (or greater) majority. That the president of France said the US is obligated by this treaty is irrelevant.

Yes, dear Ferdinand. Just as certain as it is that human CO2 is doing nothing to change the climate of the earth. (smiling — yes, yes, YES, we disagree on that last clause 🙂 )

re: Ray in SC November 9, 2016 at 12:14 pm
“The US constitution requires that treaties be ratfied by the US Senate with a two-thirds (or greater) majority”
To be 100% accurate, the Constitution says “provided two thirds of the Senators present concur”

Obama’s hubris may be a blessing in disguise. If the senate HAD ratified the ‘treaty’ then it might be more difficult to get out of it. As it is, the executive proclamation can be overturned by the new executive, as many of Obama’s executive orders may well be. France’s Minister of Environment can hardly force us to do her bidding. If there is no money to support curtailment of CO2 emissions and there is no will in the executive branch to comply with the agreement, just how is it going to be enforced?

Tom, I’m pretty sure that there is a requirement elsewhere that a quorum be present before business can be conducted. Beyond that, nothing happens in the Senate until the Senate majority leader says it happens.

Clyde, there is zero chance that the Senate would have ratified it had it been presented. Even most Democrats were against it.

Tom,
You say “to be 100% accurate, the Constitution says ‘provided two-thirds of the senate concurs’.”
Yes, those are the words of the Constitution. Are you implying this is different than what I wrote or just picking at semantics?

Ferdinand:
If Obama put his signature to a document and promised other country leaders that it was valid, then they need to take us discussion Obama directly.
Ideally, any Presidential order is followed by both houses of Congress passing a law supporting the order, which the President then signs or vetoes.
There is zero requirement that government support any other kind of ‘Presidential Order’.
Though, Obama’s intention was that agencies under POTUS Administrative control would be required to follow his orders, because he is in charge. That lasts until a new POTUS arrives, e.g. Trump.
The House of Representatives specifically refused to allocate any funding to the Paris agreement; leaving Obama having to use existing White House or Agency funds. There were also some stated questions from the Senate and House of Representatives regarding investigating misuse/misappropriation of funds; a serious legal infraction.
To be a ‘Treaty’, requires 2/3rds approval of the sitting Senate.
To be an ‘Agreement’, at least requires Congressional complicity.
Refusing to fund an ‘Agreement’ or even to consider attempting a 2/3rds approval vote is willful denial of any Congressional complicity.
Watch for lame and dumb ducks Obama and his junk yard dog, Harry Reid, to try and pull shenanigans this winter recess.
Previous shenanigans of theirs, regarding appointments, went to the Supreme Court for full rebuke and refusal.

Thanks all for the clear answer… The signature of Obama on the Paris Agreement can thus be revoked the moment that Trump in in charge…

Ray in SC November 9, 2016 at 2:41 pm
“Tom,
You say “to be 100% accurate, the Constitution says ‘provided two-thirds of the senate concurs’.”
Yes, those are the words of the Constitution. Are you implying this is different than what I wrote or just picking at semantics?”
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Ray,
First you did not quote the Constitution accurately here. You say above “provided two-thirds of the senate concurs”, that is not what it says. The Constitution says ““provided two thirds of the Senators present concur”. Notice the word “present”?
As MarkW November 9, 2016 at 1:33 pm said, a quorum is needed to do business. A quorum is 51 Senators (Article I, Sec 5: “a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business”).
It is not necessary that 67 Senators concur if all are not present. So, it could be that only 34 Senators would be needed to concur to make a Treaty if only the minimum of Senators to make a quorum were present.
That was my point.

“These 3 states combined 46 electoral votes would have given HRC 274 for the win but for the Dems that couldn’t give her their support.”
That’s scary. We were real close to going down the radical Leftwing tubes, but we dodged the bullet. Having the Clinton Crime Family running the U.S. government would have been a travesty of justice, and a possible game-changer for the good ole USA. We pulled out of our dive in the nick of time.
The Right needs to get itself a little more organized. The winning margin is not nearly high enough. That needs to be expanded in the future. A good, productive Trump presidency will help that effort tremendously.

More than a travesty of justice
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=bphR-6Xi1_I

I hereby nominate those 3 states for a special bonus – to be determined by Pres Trump.

Amen!!

If I read the emails accurately, the crow would have first been a star in some pagan ceremony, and would be eaten raw.

Hillary really showed her class in her speech, when she conceded defeat.
Oh! I must have missed it!

Schadenfreude, what a great feeling! and nothing is more important than ending the green-ing of the US government.

giuliani for AG. That guy will clean house.

Can’t happen until January, after the DOJ is cleaned out.

She deserves criminal prosecution, but for the good of the country, the most important thing Obama can do in the next two months is give her a full pardon. The FBI can nail the little fish to the wall; they’re the ones who make Clinton Inc. possible. Meanwhile, let’s focus on the future.

Tim,
I might be wrong, but I don’t think you can pardon someone who has not been indicted. Colluding with the AG and FBI to avoid an indictment was a big gamble for Hillary, and now it appears to have not paid off.

Paul, yes, you are wrong. Us old folks can remember well when Gerald Ford gave Richard Nixon a blanket pardon so the nation would not be forced to sit through the trial of a disgraced former President.

I’d rather see the investigation continue past January 20, lest Obama pardon her. Then let all hell break loose. Drain the swamp into federal prison. Return integrity to the Department of Justice, the FBI, the EPA and the National Science Foundation.

Someone who’s pardoned can’t claim 5th amendment protections. However if they refuse to talk or lie, they can be fully prosecuted for those actions.

All right then, I stand corrected. (I love this place, I learn something new every day) But, congress can still investigate even if everybody involved is pardoned. And the best part is, they wouldn’t be able to plead the 5th anymore. I think the American people deserve to know what really happened.

If President Obama pardons Hillary Clinton and she accepts the pardon it would be an admission of guilt. If she thinks she is innocent, she should refuse a pardon, if one is offered, and request a serious investigation.

Hilliary can’t accept the pardon as it would be an admission of guilt which would set off many lawsuits against the Clinton Foundation.

“Gogs November 9, 2016 at 5:28 am
Hillary really showed her class in her speech, when she conceded defeat.
Oh! I must have missed it!”

Yes, you must have.
Hillary was classy, and quite gracious; using Trump’s speech to America as the basis for some of her statements.
Still, Hillary admitted to no mistakes or errors nor did she personally apologize for her direct actions.
Considering the concession speeches I’ve heard over the years, Hillary’s belated speech is one of the best. Belated, because Hillary did not give the speech when the result became obvious; HRC delayed till the next day.
I even heard on pundit exclaim over the purple dress Hillary wore; purple as red and blue combined. Somehow, I doubt Hillary had that dress on possible occasion of her loss; and I wonder if red and blue was HRC’s intention or the more usual use of purple for royalty.

Tis most unfortunate that, on what will be President Obama’s last day, he will probably issue a Presidential Pardon exonerating Hillary of any and all potential charges and the issue will die but not before give the Democratic Party a lasting black eye and a further lingering stench

asybot,…I try to not gloat when someone loses …
Gloating is what it is all about.
And Schadenfreude. The pleasure you get from someone else’s displeasure or sadness and I have been schadenfreuding all night and all today.
The Australian Luvvy Lefty Media is beyond a joke in its upholding of the Left/Green narrative, and its organised and continued insult directed at Suburban and Rural values and aspirations in all matters and doubles down on Climate. So I have been been having far too much of a good time reminding these echo chambers of conformity what The Trump Prez and the Republicans having the numbers in both Houses means.
The Climate Purse is closed and there is no more Other Peoples Money and The Climate Gravy train has left the station and aint coming back for 4 or more years. Not to forget The Supreme Court nominations which will throw the Luvvies for an absolute loop when they realise what that will mean generationally.
Getting your kicks from Schadenfreude isn’t the best thing ever but the conformist Aussie MSM deserves this beautiful kick in the proverbial so for the next few days I am swimming in it.
And they are gonna get it but if you do read the MSM on this issue they still blame everybody and thing but themselves and the established elite, political and public service class.
Which means that, although they have metaphorically been politically hit in the face with a great big wet fish… Brexit and its Human Form of Donald Trump…they still do not get it.

Ah, but if the new administration does what it should, the CF could find its IRS exemption scrapped and be taxed into oblivion.

My way to play the deal is: Let FBI go full bore and line up all the guilty; offer full transfer of the Clinton Foundation to say the Wounded Warriors or Red Cross and allow Hillary and Bill a pardon. Crucify the partisan public sector workers to the full extent of the law and remove 10% from the US Government workforce, by use of secret witness rewards.

Patrick,
You are correct that the foundation has money to continue the fight but I predict there will be little interest in paying either of the Clintons tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for speeches when there is no opportunity for gaining politicql influence.

The President cannot pardon State or Local crimes and the Clinton Foundation is organized in, I believe, NY State. Locals can go after her easily. Nor do Presidential Pardons protect against law suits. At least I don’t believe they do. Those are civil and not criminal which is what the PPs address.

Patrick B @7:01 It turns out on analysis that the Clinton Foundation is chartered only to build the Clinton Library and archive in Arkansas. Every other activity that they have pursued is not chartered and therefore illegal, which means the donations are considered income and should have been taxed as such, and donations can not have been claimed as donations to a charity. Read it and gloat: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-07/clinton-foundation-charity-fraud-epic-proportions-analyst-charges-stunning-takedown

“Clinton Foundation Is Charity Fraud Of Epic Proportions”, Analyst Charges In Stunning Takedown http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-07/clinton-foundation-charity-fraud-epic-proportions-analyst-charges-stunning-takedown

Hillary Clinton pulled yet another “Benghazi” leaving her supporters to die.

She might have suffered a severe Parkinson’s bout and been unable to walk without trembling.

You said it Patrick – “paused” and paused by a group of rent-seeking remoaners who are distraught that the people had the effrontery to vote against their views. They told us how to vote but we voted the other way – disgraceful! Don’t worry, Brexit will happen. The remoaners may have a few politicians and judges on their side, but the referendum result will be implemented sooner or later and people and businesses across Europe are already planning and acting as if we have already left.

Clearly media coverage here in Australia about is void of facts. Well, that does not surprise me.

Only thing is Patrick, Parliament HAS aleady voted, to hold the referendum and place the decision into the hands of the electorate. Even Cameron acknowledged that.

The Trump victory is good for Brexit.
The EU referendum put to the UK was do you believe in government y the people for the people, or do you believe in government by a select c@rrupt elite for the benefit of the select c@rrupt elite. Fortunately the UK people had the nerve to stand up .and be counted and stuck 2 fingers up at the select c@rrupt elite.
This was the very same question put to the American people, and courageously they did exactly the same thing.
There has been a huge step forward for democracy these past 5 months. The world is changing, and the EU (and other global governments) need to rethink since they can see the writing on the wall.
the question is whether the EU will fail before the Green Blob. Their grip on power is growing weaker by the day. Which will fall first will be interesting to watch.
Hopefully Trump will quickly take steps to kick the greens out of power and to take back control of cheap energy. If the West is ever to compete with the Far East, cheap and reliable energy must be high up on the list.
I am looking forward to watching the BBC when Trump goes after the green dream and defunds the UN/IPCC and makes it clear that the Paris Agreement is non binding on the States. They will be wetting themselves. Get out the popcorn as the swamp is drained.

I remember Heath committing the UK to joning the Common Market in 1973 without a mandate, effective Jan 1st 1974. Accepted by the people mid-1975, when they were asked.

Good luck with draining the swamp. He will have to contend with a lot of pissed-off alligators

The court ruling on Brexit was not to stop article 50, it was to try to have it debated in the HOC. The referendum had, however, already been debated and supported by MP’s 6:1.
It’s also interesting to not the wealthy hedge fund manager who raised the case didn’t bother doing the same following the Scottish independence referendum, rather confirming the London-centric nature of the UK.
Having said all that, I wouldn’t write off the climate alarmists too soon. They still have powerful allies and Trump will have his hands full with many more pressing political questions.

It did but got it wrong.
The lead judge is head of two anti Brexit groups so should have recused himself.
The ruling said that parliament must debate legislation. A50 is not legislation thus the judges were wrong. (That’s constitutional expert opinion, btw, not just mine.)
The ruling has gone to appeal – where the people and government will lose again.
The case, which should never have been heard, was brought by the elite in cohort in a display against democracy and the sovereignty of parliament (the judiciary cannot direct government!).

@ Forest Gardener … There was not a vote for the EU, there was a vote for the EEC the two are completely different. None of the EU treaties were brought in through parliamentary votes. They were brought in as EU treaties. On my voting slip it read ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’
Nothing about hard or soft or any other conditional clauses. Unless you can see any ?

HotScot, me thinks your “voiced” concerns are the least of Trump’s POTUS problems.
Actually, the 1st thing Trump will do to “start-the-swamp-pump-sucking” will be to select NEW Secretaries/Directors/Managers, etc., …. along with their “Marching Orders”, …… of all Fed Government Agencies, Departments, Bureaus, etc. (all “will n’ pleasure” employees) …… even before he is sworn in as POTUS … and make said appointments official after being sworn in ……… and thus the “swamp draining” will immediately begin.

The courts may cause a snap election. When they lose on appeal, if the vote fails in parliament, May should immediately call elections and campaign against those who went against the result of the election. The make up of parliament would likely still be Tory led, but the UKIP (if they can get their internal act together – and their confusion would make it a good time for May to act) could suddenly find themselves in the roll of main opposition party or coalition member if no one gets a majority.
I think May needs to threaten this scenario strongly when whipping the vote and remind the right honorable gits that their places at the trough will be at risk if they vote against the action.

If British law allows the government to organize a referendum to exit a treaty, and there’s no need for the executive to confirm the move with parliament then British law is heavily flawed. It seems the brexiteers want to take another step towards an imperial leader. This is similar to the imperial presidency approaches used by Bush and Obama. If the imperial leadership continues to evolve it means the end of representative democracy.

“If British law allows the government to organize a referendum to exit a treaty, and there’s no need for the executive to confirm the move with parliament then British law is heavily flawed.”
If the British people have voted that they want the government to do something, there is no reason to ask Parliament, unless you want to prevent the very thing the people just voted for. The only people demanding a Parliamentary vote are Remoaners who believe Parliament will deny the people of Britain the outcome they just voted for.
If you think the British government listening to the people of Britain is ‘heavily flawed’, I can only presume you’d prefer to live in North Korea, where The Great Leader will make all the decisions.

He is also not a lawyer, like Blair, Clintons, Obama et al

From Chicago. What other infamous criminal was from Chicago?

@dennisambler
Businessmen find reasons to do things.
Lawyers find reasons not to do things.
We have had a generation of privileged, nepotistic career politicians and lawyers running the UK and the US. It’s not racist to expect our countries to have full employment before inviting immigrants to then take extra jobs. But the idealistic bureaucrats and worldly ignorant politicians have put the cart before the horse in their social experiments. Trump and May are a reaction to irresponsible immigration, fiscal, environmental, and social, liberal left policies the man in the street is roundly sick of.
Hopefully, Trump will put GW at the back of his political queue and we can watch it wither on the vine of Europe.

Patrick MJD
“From Chicago. What other infamous criminal was from Chicago?”
What infamous criminal wasn’t from Chicago?

“From Chicago. What other infamous criminal was from Chicago?”
If Al Capone isn’t the answer you are looking for, can I have several more guesses. There is no shortage of Chicago criminals to choose from. Do you have a preferred time period?

Holding the Leftwing Media accountable should be one of the highest priorities.
They almost stole another election from the American people, but they couldn’t quite pull it off this time because of the very flawed candidate they were running.
The margin of error is too small to give the Left any kind of election leverage over our lives. The Leftwing Media is the problem and we should point that out at every opportunity, in order to diminish their influence.

“it was NOT because america wouldnt vote for a woman as president
it was because THAT woman wasnt fit to BE president!”
So True! Nearly all my female friends despise HRC and everything she stands for, she would have disgraced women and probably made it impossible for another woman to get into the White House for the next hundred years!
PMK

Did anyone see The View today? (Did I get the name right? The program with Whoopy Goldberg, Joy Behart, etc.) My wife was disappointed that she missed it because she wanted to see how they reacted to the election result.

South River Independent,
Until someone comes along (and around here, it’s iffy as to whether that will happen — hope it does!) who can answer your question, here’s my best guess:
(based on Oprah Winfrey’s “You don’t have to like her!”)
Woman #3: I just don’t see why so many of us didn’t even vote at all. I could swallow a spider if I had to … . Don’t have to like it.
Whoopi: Well, I KNOW you don’t have to like her. But, it was damn difficult. I used up the last of my best whiskey gettin’ prepped to vote for that thing. Made me mad — as — hell! I was savin’ it to help me smile at the white (wince), straight (wince), male (wince), judge I’ll be arguing in front of about my traffic ticket tomorrow morning. Have to go buy some more.
Joy: Well, (confidential tone, and a “look”) We all know why we lost.
Woman #3: And voter turn-out ain’t it.
Whoopi: Voter turn-OFF was it.
Joy: And “it” should never have….
Whoopi: Mm, hm.
Joy: …. I’m serious, look at that cute little Barney —
Woman #3: — Bernie —
Joy: (eye roll) — BERNIE Sandufsky —
Woman #3: — SANDERS!
Joy: SAN-DERS whatever. He would have won. How could you NOT vote for him? He’s like a little stuffed toy animal/doll thingy that talks ….. a……. uh………. a puppet!
Whoopi: (eye roll; dry tone, muttering) Just what we need, another puppet. I was NOT proud of that “first black” puppet. No, I am serious. I can say this, now, it doesn’t matter anymore. Just like Pameladragon said about the women, not that I agree with her of course, but, I can see her point…. after that big dope, black people, I mean REAL black people, will NEVER get into the Whitehouse. America will be UNDER water by then. I saw it in National Geographic.
Joy: National Geographic. That reminds me. Woman #3? Didn’t you tell me they’re going to start a new make-up and fashion section next month? “Climate Friendly Fashion from Around the World.” CFFAW. (giggle) Don’t think I’ll say THAT again. I’ll just say the whole long thing!
Woman #3: Oh, yes. Pretty cool concept from what their promotions scientist showed me. Recipes from around the world, too.
Whoopi: Oh, sure. Using giant bugs — ugh! — and crap, I mean stuff from Mongolia — not that I don’t like Mongolia or Mongolians, don’t be offended folks — or from Jimmy Hoffa knows where. Sounds yummy! (curls lip)
Joy: Jimmy HOFFA?? (laughing, pops a button on the back of her top…. struggles to re-button it…. spills her coffee…..
{Producer: Tight in on Woman #3 — GO TO BREAK NOW.}
Woman #3: (smiling, smiling, SMILING, oh, so sweetly) Next, we’ll be talking with Karm Jim Jill from North Korea! About great places to take your kids on an eco-vacation next summer! Don’t touch that remote!
*********************
And so forth. 🙂

I have been saying, on this site, for the past two years that Hillary was unelectable and that I wasn’t a Trump supporter. I became one as soon as he became President elect for the same reason I supported O as soon as he was elected, W as soon as he was elected, Bill and Hill as soon as they were elected, and on and on. The person that is lawfully elected by the American people is the President and deserves the peoples support.
It will be interesting to watch how the next four years unfold as the career politicians that have owned the presidency since Eisenhower would be encouraging competition into their “ultimate prize” if they allow a CEO to succeed as president. But Trump, as a career deal maker, should be able to bargain his way out of the traps that they set for him. It should be a great show.

I don’t think this is accurate.
An impeachment does not require any rule of law to enforce. Simply votes by the Representatives to impeach and votes by the Senate to remove from office.
Likewise, a pardon does not require any rule of law to enforce. Simply, a sweeping fiat by the President, such as Ford’s pardon of Nixon.
Iirc, Nixon was specifically not indicted as a sitting President as it was questionable if it could even be done from a Constitutional perspective. Barring treason or impeachment, of course.
Trump has stated he wants a special prosecutor for Hillary’s scandals. I don’t disagree. However, I would hope that the limit of the special prosecutor would be to provide the truth to the American people. From there, I would want Trump to pardon (if necessary) and move on from the scandal.

Why should this criminal and her cohort be pardoned? This is no longer about a few classified emails. This is about terrible, evil crimes against children which are currently being investigated, as well as lying to investigators, racketeering etc.
She must go to prison.

take cheer – the unindicted can’t be pardoned.

Gnomish, good point, I never thought of that fact.
HA, but knowing how deviously crooked and dishonest those Executive Branch Democrats are, ….. Obama might/could sign a Presidential Directive ordering Attorney General Loretta Lynch to quickly “charge, arrest and convict” Hillary Clinton with “various crimes against the State and Nation” …… so that Obama could then sign another Presidential Directive ordering a “pardon” for Hillary Clinton.

Actually, there are very few limits on presidential pardon power. The Supreme Court in Ex parte Garland (1866) made it clear the unindicted can be pardoned.
“The power thus conferred is unlimited, with the exception stated. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.” http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/71/333.html

Nixon was never indicted, but he was still pardoned. The only limitation on pardons is that you can’t pardon someone for something they haven’t done yet.
For example if Obama were to illegal aliens, all it would do is wipe their past clean. However they are still in the country illegally and can still be expelled.

Tom Halla – November 9, 2016 at 6:38 am

Samuel, you must not be old enough to remember Watergate and it’s aftermath.

Yeah, … I am, …. Tom. I even remember what Nelson Rockefeller said (do you), …. that Nixon’s BIGGEST mistake was lying about his part in the “break-in” …….. and if Nixon had just admitted he done it and told the Press …. “That’s what all rival Politicians do”, …… then he would have remained POTUS in good standing.
“DUH”, ……. ya NEVER ever heard Hillary Clinton denying any of the dastardly things that she was accused of doing, …… did ya? …….. OF COURSE NOT.

How do you know they did hold back?

“DUH”, because Wikileaks “sources” have been up-loading data files from Hillary’s basement Server for the past ten (10) years. (ever since it was installed in her basement)
All of Hillary’s E-mails, ….. all of “Slick Willy” Bill’s E-mails, …… all State Department transmissions to and from said basement Server ….. and who knows “what other” inter-connected government Servers?

You’ve just described our company, which has taken a huge sales hit with the decline in the oil patch. If Mr T can get Keystone rolling again it’ll indeed be very good news for Canada.

The Keystone pipeline was included in Trump’s ‘Contract with America’. If you have not heard of this, check it out. Once you read it, you will understand why the MSM suppressed it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/22/donald-trump-contract-with-the-american-voter/

How about a trade. Canada takes our liberals, and we’ll take all the sane people who live up there?

MarkW, that is an unfair trade and you know it. We already have more than enough liberals in Canada.

Monna, I’m hoping they reach critical mass and implode.

It is illegal to call for killing anyone, much less the President Elect. You go to jail for advocating violence on the President.

I’m positive that Trump’s pick for AG should be and probably will be …. Rudy Giuliani.

I recall he indicated that Trey Gawdy was the choice for AG who is an excellent choice and an orator,

OOPS, I forgot about Trey Gawdy …….. and “yup”, he would make for a fine AG.
Younger, heathier and with more vim n’ vigor than Rudy.

Isn’t it this guy? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/

Well said Tom. All thieves, from Soros on down. Funny how not one ever went to jail for the sub-prime/tainted asset fiasco. Just manipulators protecting manipulators.

I think, “May you live in interesting times” is a Chinese curse.

I can do without a horde of latte-sipping, bedwetting Sandalistas invading my country. We don’t need the angst of not knowing which washroom to use and who/what we might find therein, whether or not we’re inflicting traumatic micro-aggressions upon some victimhood-craving neurotic, committing something far worse than “original sin” just by being male or whatever, or blurting out some heinously horrible euphemism like “Merry Christmas”. But, I fear, the Libs will welcome the opportunity to gain another phalanx of rent-seeking voters, whom I might call “illegitimate aliens”, in quest of more subservient voters. Methinks we need a Trump.

@mrmethane.
That did make me laugh. I hope you Canuk’s shut the door and tell the lily livered cowards to go back and fight for what they should believe in. They are quick to take what they want when it’s all going their way but as soon as things get tough, the rats all jump ship looking for another easy life.

I’ll do all in my part to stop them from coming, e.g. Voting..
We don’t want them here.

Wait until these idiots find out what Canada’s top tax rate is for individuals. They’re all for hiking taxes, as long as it isn’t theirs. Just like they are all for making us all give up our big homes, cars etc, as long as they don’t have to.

Ahhhh, …… , basking in the glory ……
I do laugh at the Hollywood crew (mob) who are so distraught about the outcome. Mind you, Hollywood is a dream within a dream, isn’t it? Has Leo come out like a baby crying, …. , yet? That is okay, patience is a virtue, I can wait. And oh, by the way, cry me a river ……
Yes, funny how the whole “climate change” topic was so neatly ignored by both parties during this election process and maybe, just maybe, carbon dioxide will now be seen by the vast majority as the “molecule of life”, which it is. Pedal to the metal on continuing the pursuit to the real truth surrounding the real science!

They won´t leave. They are DiCaprio wannabees, and like Leonardo, who blames anybody using combustion engine cars for creating “global warming” but he flies around the world in his private jet, they want others to leave the country, but they won´t leave.
The Canadian inmigration web site may have collapsed due to inquiries from illegal aliens, not from celebrities.

Its funny but Australia just like the US has a Canada too — but in our case Its called New Zealand. A beautiful country with a world beating Rugby Team but a population about one tenth of ours and a lower GDP per capita-leading to about one million of their folk living in our nation
However sometimes Its inhabitants do tend to moralize a bit about big bad uncouth Australia -not unlike like the way some Canucks do to the US.
On the other hand every so often some well -to -do Australian bleeding heart announces he is sickened by Australia and its policies and because he is ashamed to be an Australian he is going to emigrate to NZ.
But they never do- and my guess is the US celebs will be just as full of hot air and wont be hightailing off to freezing Canada from sunny LA or Palm springs

We need to hound them until they leave.

Ron – Agreed.
I hear Venezuela is the leftist utopia. /s
“Reap what you sow” goes the saying

Yes! They deserve Venezuela.

Tony,
You forgot the sarc tags! If not, then I feel sorry for you. See you in 10 months time, if you have the guts to admit you were spectacularly wrong.

So, tony mcleod, you are actually accusing Trump of (mendacity) being a lying, untruthful, dishonest, deceitful, false, dissembling, insincere, disingenuous, hypocritical, fraudulent, double-dealing, two-faced, Janus-faced, two-timing, duplicitous person extraordinaire …… and a sociopath …. ta boot.
It sure sounds to me like you are one hellishly unhappy, highly PO’ed, dastardly angry …… “Crooked” Hillary Clinton admirer, worshipper and supporter ….. who just had their “sweet dreams” turn into a gawd awful “nightmare” when all the “votes” were tallied.

Would you care to make sense?

I’m predicting a blue water Arctic next summer Paul what’s yours.
No Samuel you could hardly be more incorrect. Who your leader is will have little to no affect on me, so I’m perfectly content. And I think Hillary is equally mendacious and only slightly less sociopathic and that she would have represented a continuation of the grift and theft that has been facilitated by her ilk for decades now.
As much of a pig I think Donald is he doesn’t deserve the shit storm he is inheriting.

“ he doesn’t deserve the shit storm he is inheriting.”
You are right, but someone had to inherit it and Trump is one of the best qualified to do it.
The sooner someone starts “draining the DC swamp of graft, corruption and thievery” …… the sooner the saving of our Constitutional Republic will occur.
And if the “draining” is going to cause uncontrolled anarchy, ….. then the sooner the better ….. so that the clean-up and re-building can begin.

But, ….. , wait a minute, ….. , low level “cloud” coverage is responsible for global cooling. Are you therefore implying that additional usage of the “cloud” will lead to a future (now) cooling trend??!?!!?
Oops, sorry, that is more in the real of cosmoclimatology, and not politicians! Phew, for a nanosecond I was truly afraid!

Phillip: Did you hear the guy on R4 Today this morning? His name escapes me now but he is a big mate of Soros and runs a huge investment fund? He said that he voted Clinton but shorted the US on Trump. What a patriot!

Harry Passfield
I heard it but can’t remember his name either. I had the same thought as you.
Isn’t Trump against Hedge Funds so whoever he was he may end up a loser anyway?