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The Daily Telegraph reports that the Australian NSW Government is trialling lessons about climate doomsday on children, to see what impact being taught to hate yourself has on the children’s development.
Climate change gloom lessons for kids
DOOMSDAY climate change lessons are being taught to children as young as eight who are concluding that human activity threatens to destroy beautiful sunsets and waterways.
Six schools in the state’s north are trialling a “world first” curriculum that is expected to be adopted across the state, if successful.
The NSW Education Department-approved trial is being run by Southern Cross University’s Lismore campus and proposes to give students from Year 3 to Year 8 “political agency” and allow them to be “experts in their own lives”.
Running in tandem with the curriculum is a challenge project in which students form their own response to climate change and how they can personally prevent mass extinctions of animals, plants and their habitats.
Some children have concluded that humans have “succeeded in destroying much of the physical world”.
One student researcher in northern NSW said: “It is selfish and horrible how humans are causing animal and plant species to die.”
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“Kids are doing amazing work where they take a photo which represents some aspect of climate change and they write about it. Some students take photos of beautiful things such as sunsets or waterways and then write about how it could be lost or destroyed because of climate change.”
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Read more (paywalled): http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/climate-change-gloom-lessons-for-kids/news-story/50cec5bce634445c27b9b8d518eb735e
If there is one aspect of the climate movement which truly upsets me, it is the way some deep greens, frustrated at their inability to influence adults in a meaningful way, feel compelled to worm their way into various education bureaucracies so they can have a shot at messing up the children. Let us hope this horrible trial is ended as swiftly as possible, with minimal damage to impressionable young minds.
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”
― H.L. Mencken
In this political season, that has become a real temptation.
Alan Robertson
Hoisting the black flag and slitting throats is what Daesh does. They are not normal.
I quite sure that neither Mencken nor Robertson meant this in anything other than a rhetorical sense.
Are you suggesting we need “trigger warnings” here, Stephen? Or some other form of unwarranted self-censorship?
Ralph Dave Westfall October 17, 2016 at 1:14 pm
“Are you suggesting we need “trigger warnings” here, Stephen? Or some other form of unwarranted self-censorship?”
OK, I see your point. Having looked up what a “trigger warning” is then of course I don’t and perhaps Alan and Mark used this quote in a rhetorical sense. That I get, except this particular quote at this time is remarkably similar to the motivations of Daesh who have no concept of rhetoric, irony or humour, or lets face it, life. So, I will point out this similarity otherwise I must self-censor myself?
Teaching how to read, write, and count is so out of fashion nowadays… This had to happen somewhere in the world. Happened in Australia, fair enough. Pity them…
I guess the NSW Education Department run out of mad scientist after Lewandowsky left australia, so they offered the job to Doctor Frankenstein, unfortunately he declined for some reason, so they turn to a man that says “Kids are doing amazing work” when they paint apocalyptic ending because of man sins.
I guess they never learned the old saying “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind” , which is specially true when dealing with children. Such nihilistic teaching will have consequences, bad ones, not only for the poor children, but also for everyone else in the country.
I grew up in a conservative Muslim country. Every Friday, the Mullah (priest) would gather the young men and ask one group to think of all the things they wanted to do that would lead to afterlife in hell. The other group would have to think about pathways to heaven. Fortunately, most of us were smart enough to recognize the truth — there was no heaven or hell. Unfortunately, a few were fully indoctrinated into beliefs about hell and heaven. I would surmise that many of the suicide bombers belong to the indoctrinated bunch. Let’s hope that the AGW cult doesn’t end up with similar results.
Mohatdebos,
Well at least there was some attempt to present two sides of an argument.
This Australian “experiment” is nothing short of appalling.
(1) Name any country that is “Conservative Muslim” !!
(2) Any Muslim that does NOT believe in “Heaven and Hell”, is not a Muslim..
(3) I am in no way a religious person, but I have read the Koran and the Bible, first page to last page for both, and have found BOTH to be full of errors…BUT, in my eyes, a world without religion, is a world doomed to self destruction…
English version of course…
Can you prove that there is no heaven and hell?
If not, are your beliefs any less faith based than the Imams?
I can’t prove that there is no tooth fairy either but somehow that does not compel me to believe in the tooth fairy.
Can’t prove a negative.
Can you prove the universe isn’t run by an invisible dragon riding a banana boat?
How does that expression go, something like extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
Rebuttal does not need to demonstrate an absolute alternative but merely to produce some reasoned doubt.
there is no, repeat no, evidence for heaven and/or hell.
p.s. I have previously been admonished for replying to “religious” comments by others as against site policy, could you please adhere to the policy.
Interesting. You reply to a religious comment, then note that it is against site policy to reply to religious content, so I should not reply to you.
Is that a sad attempt to get the last word?
Regardless, if you can’t prove it, then it is nothing more than a faith based statement on your part. No matter how many times you try to twist the facts.
I ask again Mark:
Prove to me that the universe isn’t ruled by an invisible dragon riding a banana boat.
You can’t, so it must be true. All hail the banana dragon!
This stuff can stick. Recently an elderly relative stated that Hitler was born in Germany. I corrected that he was born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire commenting on the obvious irony. She replied “but they taught us in school that his mother sneaked across the border to have him”
She went to elementary school in Germany in the 30’s. I pointed out that the Nazi’s lied about everything. But you can see how deeply that seemingly small lie kept its place in her mind for these many years. Always fooling with the kiddies aren’t they.
I would go with the program but demand they have modules in which the little kiddies pick various climate change celebrities and government officials and gather pictures of their mansions and jets and yachts and various travels and calculate their carbon footprints relative to their own.
Another module could force them to add water every day to a glass at the rate the seas are rising each day. then at the end of the year they can see the terrible rise in seas over the year.
Another module could assign a student each day to track wind speeds and turn off all the power in the room whenever it falls below a speed needed by wind turbines to generate electricity. Then turn it back on if the wind recovers, then turn it back off etc.
Another day could be no petroleum derivatives day and they would be required to dress and use only products with no petroleum derivatives.
Oh, I like that! Nice one.
And some children could be exposed to ridicule from other children if they don’t accept what’s being taught.
The indoctrination IS having an effect and the negativity (and ignorance) is kind of scary – like this recent article on cracked, opening with some diatribe on how humans put mercury into the environment. (wth?!) I would suggest another course for the kids should include taking them from their urban safety into the real world and introducing them to such things as minesites – a place where substances happen to be concentrated naturally and from where we extract them.. ‘natural’ forests where they can meet such things as bears or lions or brown snakes (if they live in Oz), tropical regions where they can contract pathogens within minutes that can debilitate or kill them.. the cold oceanic currents which will strip their body heat, deserts alive with all manner of animals and plants, they should watch an army of ants slaughtering another army of ants, see the vast areas flooded and drowned by beaver dams, visit the plains were elephants push down tree after tree to get to the small portion they wish to eat before moving on to kill the next tree, they can be introduced to the horrors of parasitic wasps, lungworms and all the deadly nematodes that surround us – made to understand each time a pelican swallows a fish (or a pigeon!)
you know – the real world not the imaginary fantasyland of urban gand green.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_Is8J-kaU&w=560&h=315%5D
continuing.. It’s eating that animal alive, for the thing to suffocate or be crushed or digested slowly just as ‘mother’ nature intended., Maybe then they’ll understand why to keep back the hostile world we do as many others do and create safety zones for ourselves, why we do what we do to simply stay alive in a world that wants to kill and eat us.
Pelican in St James park London eats pigeons too…
Londoners response: get more pelicans!
Young friend of the family got his brain injected with the AGW mush in his high school and college
training.
Then he went into the Army- first duty station-Ft. Wainright..
(Fairbanks, AK.)
In order to produce climate robots, you need to start ’em young.
If you all want to get really perturbed, check out Outcome Based Education” That’s what my son was subjected to in Perth. It was invented by a US based sociologist and failed there so the Western Australian Labour party though they’d use it. As the minister said at the time “because not all children go to university” Get the picture?
Basically the premise is you’re not taught to a standard but to your ability. You can imagine what that method does for boys more interested in football and cars than mathematics. Makes for good baristas and hamburger jockeys though.
Mine actually got into uni and is doing geology but it was and is a struggle to make up for these totally incompetent SOB’s controlling our children’s futures. May they rot in hell.
Here’s a very relevant-to-alarmism quotation I just found:
PS: Page 192
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This brings to mind the superior simple formula C. Monckton came up with earlier this year, and also, IIRC, a formula Willis devised earlier.
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I don’t see anything wrong with teaching kids that care of the world you live in is a sensible thing to do. After all, they are the ones who will inherit the place. I’m sure there are teachers who take the fear thing too far, but most are responsible when it comes to educating our kids. It would be far worse to shelter them from the potential impacts of irresponsible use of the earths resources.
It really is sad the way the acolytes deliberately try to change the subject.
How exactly is teaching the kids lies about global warming, teaching them to care about the planet?
We shouldn’t teach them lies, we should teach them what the mainstream science has to say about it. Anything else would be unfair and dishonest to them.
It’s a lie that this is what mainstream science says.
Markw
“It’s a lie that this is what mainstream science says.”
Be specific. it’s not a lie that mainstream science says we need to be concerned about the release of greenhouse gases and that limiting their unnecessary production will serve future generations well. It is a lie that certain catastrophe waits us if we carry on this path, but I don’t believe anyone is teaching that.
Climate science is not mainstream science. Mainstream science teaches scepticism and hypothesis testing, not groupthink and circular reasoning.
Simon, that is precisely the lie.
Mainstream science has shown that the extremely small amount of warming due to CO2 is altogether good, and nothing to fear.
Mainstream science has shown that more CO2 in the air is good for plants.
There is not a scintilla of evidence to support the notion that restricting fossil fuel use will benefit anyone other than those who manufacture and install alternative energy sources.
MarkW October 17, 2016 at 2:14 pm
“There is not a scintilla of evidence to support the notion that restricting fossil fuel use will benefit anyone other than those who manufacture and install alternative energy sources.”
Really, you might want to have a little look at this graph then.
http://static.berkeleyearth.org/pdf/annual-with-forcing.pdf
@Simon, October 17, 2016 at 2:39 pm
Wrong! Try either RSS or UAH for the same period then. The land-based datasets cannot be trusted – checkout surfacestations.org.
xyzzy11
“Wrong! Try either RSS or UAH for the same period then. The land-based datasets cannot be trusted – checkout surfacestations.org.”
Given 80+% of the warming is going into the oceans and RSS and UAH only measure the atmosphere, I’d say there were a little limited wouldn’t you? But even then both are highly likely now to have 2016 as a record year, so your redundant anyway.
Simon. Re 80% of warming going into oceans. Long wave radiation of the atmosphere does not penetrate water. The oceans are warmed, down to 100 metres, by short wave radiation of direct sunlight. It’s got nothing to do with carbon dioxide,. Re 2016 warmest year. The planet has been warming for 300 years since the Little Ice Age, when would the warmest years be? The Vikings settled Greenland in Medieval times. They grew crops there. That is now under ice. 2016 warmest year evAH !!
Clive Bond Wynnum Queensland Australia
How much nonsense can you get into one paragraph? I think you just broke a record.
“How much nonsense can you get into one paragraph? I think you just broke a record.”
Dunno Simon.
Why don’t you tell us, as you’re one of the resident expert practitioners?
“Simon October 19, 2016 at 3:54 pm
I expected an outcome that reflected the truth of the situation…”
Truth?! LOL The Ministry of Expected Outcomes. Helen Clark, the once PM of NZ, binned the ties to the Privy Council, and you think the “Justice” system in NZ is corruption free? I have seen some of the e-mails between high profile “Judges” and mere Telecom NZ workers that would make you skin crawl. Truth and justice at MoJ? Don’t make me laugh!
“Some students take photos of beautiful things such as sunsets or waterways and then write about how it could be lost or destroyed because of climate change.”
Teaching the kids everything they value will shortly be destroyed is not likely to produce a productive, positive outlook on life.
EW
“Teaching the kids everything they value will shortly be destroyed is not likely to produce a productive, positive outlook on life.”
Who is teaching them this? I know a lot of teachers and I have never met one who teaches kids everything they value will be destroyed. That is just nonsense.
Lessons encouraging kids to take photos of things they like then write about how climate will ruin the scene are obscene.
Lessons encouraging kids to take photos of things they like then write about how climate will ruin the scene are obscene.”
I think that is fair enough to say a changing climate will change the landscape in many areas. Do you disagree?
There is no evidence a few degrees climate change, even if it occurs, will ruin sunsets, or introduce significant changes to local vegetation or landscapes.
The lapse rate of 1c / 1000ft (or 2c / 1000ft for dry air) means if you want to see the impact of a 1c change in local temperature, all you have to do is climb a local hill. What differences will you observe? In most cases, not a lot – maybe a few species will be less prevalent, or more prevalent. But you would likely need to be a botanist to see the difference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapse_rate
Eric
Mmmm. I’m not a botanist or a biologist, but I do know things are a lot more complex than simply saying everything will adapt. Species evolve over long periods of time into the habitat they live. You change things quickly (and we are) and you put species at risk. That’s not good and I would have thought it is best to keep things as stable as possible (if we can). Natural change is one thing…. but this is not.
Nope, it is that simple. The top of a 1000ft hill is a reasonable approximation for the impact of a 1c local change in temperature – because the temperature at the top of the hill is 1c cooler than the bottom of the hill.
“Nope, it is that simple. The top of a 1000ft hill is a reasonable approximation for the impact of a 1c local change in temperature – because the temperature at the top of the hill is 1c cooler than the bottom of the hill.”
You are only talking temp. Temp is one part of the puzzle that makes life on this planet so unique. Animals and plants depend on each other for food. Just because one is forced to move because the temp goes up doesn’t mean the other will. The food chain is critical to survival. Like I say it is complex and I would rather we didn’t mess with things unless we have to. It’s an experiment that carries enormous risks.
A good example is the Tuatara (a native to New Zealand). The sex of this amazing creature is determined by the incubation temperature of the egg. One degree Celsius can make all the difference and risks too many of one gender being born. Biologists in New Zealand are extremely worried because of the recent rapid increase in temperature. You will forgive me, but I tend to get worried when they do.
The Tuatara has survived 200 million years, a period which included the Cretaceous / Paleogene extinction event, so my money is on the Tuatara.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatara
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous–Paleogene_extinction_event
Simon it’s not just the Tuatara. many many other species have this capacity and they USE it .. bury the eggs a tiny bit deeper or ad more organic material to their nest/egg mound/whatever – birds regulate their offspring’s temperature externally too.. don’t think animals as as fragile as you’ve been told. As to adaptations there’s always the case of the stickleback in Canada, displaced thousands of feet from the ocean by geological upheaval, in the space of a few decades the water they lived in went from salt to fresh water – and yet the sticklebacks, a marine species now are fresh water. Like the dolphins and seahorses elsewhere in fresh water, trapped eons back. They are but one example of many.
As a former greenie/hippy child who went to university where the taint was lifted, I was involved in ‘garbage’ cleanups, which is where we concerned folk removed bottles (and other rubbish) – many inhabited by octopus – from the ocean and took them to the dump. Trolleys from sandy shallows encrusted with crabs, bivalves and seaweed (the only life on these seabeds was found around ‘rubbish’) and anything human made went to the dump and the greenies sat back looking pleased while I found myself troubled by what I’d just done. For them it was simple.. they’d done a Good Thing. On that day we’d destroyed countless habitats and homes – human discards that these clever life forms had re purposed as secure living quarters, these clever adaptive animals all murdered in the name of saving nature. It was that day I clicked this was about a human aesthetic and nothing to do with nature at all. I also noted the greenie friends viewed the dump as a monumental human abomination, where I saw the most concentrated seething mass of life I’d ever witnessed, from fungi to bacteria to insects, rats, mice, frogs, snakes, gulls, hawks – it was one huge source of food and housing to countless lives – but the green friends didn’t see it. Their eyes were closed.
Eric
See here is the problem. Do I believe the flippant “she’ll be right” comments of a journalist, or the in depth studies of the people who live in the area and work on this stuff in depth? Seems to me I either believe this is all a big money grabbing conspiracy, or there is reason for concern. Call me shallow, but I’m leaning towards there is genuine reason for concern.
https://www.victoria.ac.nz/news/2014/climate-change-impacts-tuatara-population
“Simon October 18, 2016 at 11:05 am”
Wow Simon, linking to the Victoria Uni of Wellington, Wellington the home of Govn’t. Now, Vic Uni would not be alarmist would they? Another Govn’t agency, NIWA. is equally alarmist. You worry too mush, this animal has been around for millions of years, I think they know climate better than all climate scientists.
Patrick MJD
Yes that’s right the “NIWA” that the Climate Change Coalition took to court saying they fudged the data and when they lost refused to pay the costs which the taxpayer had to pay because of their dishonesty. So yeah that NIWA, the one that was right all along.
And I have great faith in Victoria University. Fine place. Been there myself.
“Simon October 18, 2016 at 7:12 pm”
Yes, that other great NZ institution, Ministry of Justice (MoJ). With MoJ on NIWA’s side, what outcome did you expect. Ah, it’s no wonder you are filled with so much worry having attended VoW uni.
I worked for MoJ and NIWA (And Departent of Conservation) and I can tell you. At best the the work of NIWA is shonky. Don’t get me started on DoC or MoJ.
“Simon October 18, 2016 at 7:12 pm”
With the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) on the side of NIWA, what outcome did you expect? Ah I see, now I understand why you feel so worried about things you cannot control, you are the product of the VoW uni, makes sense now.
I worked for NIWA and MoJ (And the Dept. of Conservation). The level of the quality of their work was shonky at best. Don’t get me started on DoC.
I expected an outcome that reflected the truth of the situation…. and that’s what we got. And… a bunch of clowns being asked to pay for the time they wasted that cost the NZ taxpayer. In the end we also got clowns turned crooks, who ran for the hills to hide under their mother blankets so they didn’t have to pay for their stupidity and dishonesty.
They. Are. Mad. At a time in their lives where love and encouragement is essential, we tell them that they are worthless f*@kwits. Brilliant.
Next we will have our pledge of allegiance to Gaia and her apostle Al Gore. You begin passing the collection plate children.
Yep, sounds like your average catholic service.
Says the guy who has never been to one.
I have and what David Smith says is about right in my experience.
Intellectual paedophilia.
There is a word for that:
I’ve heard it is spelled “comeuppance”.
Don’t hold me to it though.
10 : 10 No Pressure
In 40 years time, today’s school children will be entering the final and most influential decade of their careers.
What if, by then, climate has significantly cooled – as is reasonably likely. They will look back on their school indoctrination with disgust and ridicule. Perhaps then the politicisation of the classroom will finally be recognised as the evil that it is. Citizens of former Soviet and Warsaw Pact states already understand this reality.
Remember just 8 years ago there was still HOPE.
https://youtu.be/WtGrp5MbzAI
My wife who comes from South Korea watched this and remarked that they look and behave just like kids from North Korea. Those that never earned their freedom are free to lose it.
You ignore the ability of politicians to re-write the past.
In what schools is this supposed to be happening?
In NSW government schools.
Ideological child abuse.
Children in the classes who dare to object to the mantra are systematically bullied into submission by the teachers and indoctrinated students. In 1950, the children were the beneficiaries of education and not indoctrination in climate fictions.
We shouldn’t be the least bit surprised by this. Co-opting cultural institutions has long been a key strategy of the progressive left. Italian Marxist/socialist guru, Antonio Gramsci, (who died in 1937) advocated this approach as the best route to socialist domination. He advocated against revolution and in favor of deliberate, gradual infiltration and domination of cultural institutions as the best way to win the ideological war. The education system was seen as one of the key institutions and leftist efforts in taking it over have been wildly successful. Humanities faculties and their curricula throughout the West are saturated with progressive leftist philosophy. It’s the source of all the political correctness and postmodernist/Marxist idiocy out there. And since the universities train the teachers, it has spread to elementary and high schools.
The problem, for those who haven’t already bought into it, is what to do about it.
Antonio Gramsci: http://infed.org/mobi/antonio-gramsci-schooling-and-education/
Why are Ozzies voting these idiots in all the time. That scares me more than anything. Europe I understand. Marxbrothers politics is like Groundhog day there. No matter how often they fail with it , they keep doing it over and over again. They invented it just like they did CAGW and there is no letting go of it. Common Oz! Earlier generations of you were gutsy, individualistic iconoclasts.
There has been a slow, but steady, movement in the entire population from a basic conservatism to a radical leftist attitude over the last 4 decades. You can see it in the governments we elect. It was once rare to see a Labor government. Now Labor governments are almost the norm, with an occasional conservative government to fix the budget problems ready for the next Labor government.
You could ascribe it to any of several causes; steady socialisation of the education system; the dole becoming the norm, so that there are now families that haven’t had employment for several generations; systematic bullying in the media of anybody that doesn’t take a sufficiently “progressive” social attitude. Take your pick.
The left is the black-green hole into which democracy eventually gets sucked. People eventually discover they can vote money into their own pockets without working, and at the same time, get a morality high painting themselves green.
Aussies typically vote *OUT* Govn’ts when they have had enough. They don’t do much thinking about the consequences of that action. Still, one does not need any qualification/license to vote or procreate in Australia and politicians don’t need anything but 3 word sound bites to win.
Nice job Eric. I’m watchin’ ya.
“… that is expected to be adopted across the state, if successful.”
I have some bad news for you. In Australia, these far-left wing trials are always successful, no matter how meaningless the result. This is sure to become part of the mainstream education program, even if they have to push less important stuff like English language skill off.
A decade ago in Canberra, the government decided to trial a 10km/h reduction in speed limits. If successful, it would save 20 lives a year. After a year of the trial, the government proudly announced that it was successful and would be rolled out over the rest of Canberra. Nobody ever saw a report. BTW, Canberra never lost 20 people in a year to road accidents.
It was obviously just an indoctrination session to soften up the suckers and nothing more; and this is what this trial education program is.
By the time the children are in their 30’s, a lot of the children will be traumatised to find out AGW was a total scam. It’ll be a nasty wake up call from this mostly lying cheating world.
History has always been written by the conquerors normally having the better arms and the bigger numbers. Just remember the aboriginal children taken away from their parents by the Australian, US and Canadian governments to destroy their culture.
So this is not something new.
Yes…
I read an account of education in the Alsace district from 1914 to 1950…
alternately French/German with an Nazi interval…
syllabus repeatedly changed to say ‘Alsace has always been part of….’
(and as I mentioned above, my great grandparents weren’t allowed to speak their own language in school, in their own country)