Urbane Legends

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

So we were sitting around the fire at the fish camp on the Colombia a few days ago, and a man said “Did you hear about the scientific study into meat preservatives?” We admitted our ignorance, and he started in. The story was like this:

“A few years ago there was a study done by some University, I can’t remember which one, but it was a major one. What they did was to examine the corpses of people who had died in Siberia, and those that had died in Washington State. Now of course the people in Siberia weren’t eating meat preservatives during their lives, and the Washington people were eating them. And when they dug up the graves and looked at the bodies, guess what they found?” 

the killer in the back seatUrban Legend: The Killer In The Back Seat SOURCE 

Well, by this time my Urban Legend Detector was going off so loudly that I was afraid the story teller would hear it ringing, so I just sat back to watch the denouement …

“The bodies of the Siberian people had decayed just like you’d expect … but the bodies of the people from the US were nearly perfectly intact, because of meat preservatives that they’d been eating!”

Now, as you might imagine, nothing about this story of meat preservatives is true. The preservatives are broken down in the digestive system and do nothing to preserve the human body … but not one person even questioned the story. This set me to pondering about what it is that makes for a good urban legend. Here are my conclusions.

• First, you must have some kind of lurking danger—premature death, a rat in the Kentucky Fried Chicken, a spider in a bee-hive hairdo, a killer in the back seat. It can’t be some trivial danger, either. It needs to be the loss of a kidney to organ thieves or something that big, not a hangnail.

• Next, the danger has to be avoidable by means of your own personal action. Don’t eat at KFC, don’t ingest meat preservatives, don’t wear a bee-hive hairdo for too long, look in the back seat before getting in.

• Next, there is often a strong undertone of performing a moral action. For some urban legends the moral action is the recommended avoidance action itself, like avoiding processed foods. But for all urban legends, there is an inherent and more basic moral good—the spreading of the story so that nobody else gets harmed. I mean, what could be more virtuous that seeing that your friends don’t get into trouble?

• Next, the story has to be amenable to change. Sooner or later, most urban legends wear out their impact, or people have heard it all before, or the “facts” become visibly untrue. The legends that survive do so because they shed their skins and morph into something more frightening, more dangerous, more demanding of immediate action.

• Next, it helps to have a villain—KFC, the meat-packing industry, just about any corporation, billionaires, any of those will beef up the story.

• Next, it needs impeccable but unverifiable credentials—I heard it on CNN, it was a study by a major university, three professors in Israel did research, that kind of pedigree.

• Next, details. Few people will believe a random legend that some woman somewhere stuck her hand in a pile of blankets and got snake-bit … but if the legend says “A woman in Arizona was shopping at the Phoenix Costco, and she was bitten by a brown snake that is only native to Australia” it has much more chance of being believed.

• Finally, the legend needs to be told with conviction. It won’t work if it is prefaced by “There’s some doubt about this, but …”

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So … as some have already guessed, let me compare the current climate scare to an urban legend. We have:

• Lurking Huge Danger—heat death of the planet, increased floods, increased droughts, you name it. Note how alarmists routinely exaggerate the danger, claiming a few degrees of warming is “more dangerous than terrorism” and “the biggest danger the world faces” and the like.

• Avoidable—the claim is that if we all act nobly and eschew the evil carbon, the danger can be averted.

• Moral Action—not only is cutting down on personal or national CO2 emission seen today as the ultimate statement of the high moral ground, simply spreading the message has taken on the aspects of a religious duty.

• Amenable to Change—how many times have the alarmists been shown to be wrong, only to come back with some new threat, some new danger to keep the legend alive.

• Villains—the entire fossil fuel industry, Exxon, and “deniers” are all painted as villains in this morality tale.

• Unverifiable but Prestigious Credentials—we have two stalwarts, the “97% consensus”, and “the IPCC says”. The latter one has found its way into scientific papers, where people routinely cite something totally unverifiable like “IPCC Fifth Annual Assessment Report, Susan Solomon, Editor” as a way to lay a false claim to authority.

• Bogus Details—my favorite was the claim that 37% of the species on earth would be killed by one degree of warming. See how much more believable this is than saying “if the earth warms lots of things will go extinct”?

• Conviction—man, if there is anything that most of the alarmists have an abundance of, it is the totally unshakeable conviction that not only are they right, they are so right and they are so moral that breaking the law is perfectly acceptable if it furthers their cause. And of course, they know that the legend will not work if they surround it with the usual scientific caveats, so it is told as certain impending doom.

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Now, although it may not seem so, I do have a purpose in this story. My thought is that if we can understand why the urban legend of impending Thermageddon is so popular and so hard to kill, we will understand how to fight it. So let me look at each of the components to see where the weaknesses are and how we might utilize them.

• Lurking Huge Danger—I think the best way to fight this is laughter and absurdity. For example, I have compared the possible predicted change in temperature from Obama’s climate plan to the temperature difference between your head and your feet. Ridicule is a potent weapon.

• Avoidable—we need to hammer on a couple of things. First, there is no evidence that IF the danger exists it is avoidable. Second, there is no evidence that their preferred method will avoid it. Finally, even if it could work in theory, it would be horrendously expensive.

• Moral Action—as I have pointed out repeatedly, increasing energy costs are the most regressive tax on the planet, and they hit the poor harder than anyone. This is a crucial point, because all of their flights of fancy are sustained by the illusion that they have the moral high ground … but shafting the poor as they are doing hardly meets that definition.

• Amenable to Change—we need to hold their feet to the fire regarding their BS, because they will disown it at a moment’s notice. Michael Mann’s phrase is that they’ve “moved on” … don’t let them do so without protest.

• Villains—we need to point out, over and over, that those that make life harder for the poor are the real villains in this morality tale.

• Unverifiable but Prestigious Credentials—call out bogus citations, demand names.

• Bogus Details—again, ridicule is likely our greatest weapon in this arena. The biggest opportunity for this are the endless predictions of climate refugees, sea level rises, ice-free Arctic summers, and the like. Ask to see the corpses.

• Conviction—nothing we can do about that. Peter Gleick would likely maintain his convictions even if he were actually convicted for mail fraud as he richly deserves …

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In closing, let me note that if my analysis is correct, this story of impending thermal doom CANNOT BE FOUGHT WITH SCIENCE. Why? Because it is an urban legend, not a scientific claim. As such it needs to be fought on its own ground, by attacking what actually keeps it alive … and that has very little to do with science.

My best regards to everyone, it’s a lovely afternoon, I’m going out to ride bike by Lake Tahoe.

w.

PLEASE: If you disagree with me or anyone, quote the exact words you disagree with, so we can all understand the exact nature of your objections.

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Paul Coppin
September 3, 2016 5:31 am

“Urban legends” is just a re-framing of “mythology”. And mythology has plagued man since he first learned to grunt coherently. Like indigenous “oral history”, generally not worth the paper it isn’t printed on….

Paul Coppin
September 3, 2016 5:32 am

Ewww, grammar fart. “Urban legends” are just a re-framing of “mythology”.

Smokey (Can't do a thing about wildfires)
September 3, 2016 5:35 am

“In closing, let me note that if my analysis is correct, this story of impending thermal doom CANNOT BE FOUGHT WITH SCIENCE. Why? Because it is an urban legend, not a scientific claim. As such it needs to be fought on its own ground, by attacking what actually keeps it alive … and that has very little to do with science.”
So many +1’s.
The only thing I’d change in this would be to say that it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Science; Science (scientists, experts, technicians, et cetera, ad nauseam) is the Authority (a.k.a “Unverifiable Credentials”) to which the initiators of the CAGW meme appeal in their quest for legitimacy, influence and power — nothing more. If it gets “discredited,” they’ll simply replace it, per your Adaptability Principle. Maybe they’ll move (back) to “Karma, et al.” (i.e. superstition and subjective morality) to support the story. The mythos of Mother Earth remains with us to this day, and has already occasionally been invoked by some as a reason for “combating climate change.” In any case, whether or not karma or Gaia (or Ceiling Cat) get the nod, they won’t have to look very far for their next set of Authorities: after all, even the Pope is in on it at this point.
[ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/pope-francis-calls-climate-change-sin/ ]

James J Strom
September 3, 2016 5:56 am

No disrespect, but the lead-in story seems a lot like a joke to me, complete with a good punch line. I think I’ll try it out on some of the more extreme environmentalists in my family.

September 3, 2016 6:15 am

Urbane != urban
Just saying…

Reply to  Leo Smith
September 3, 2016 6:58 am

I think you missed the intended pun Leo.

Craig Loehle
September 3, 2016 6:30 am

Unfortunately, while completely true, the point that these policies hurt the poor the most has no impact. You can point out how banning DDT killed millions or how the World Bank won’t loan money for power plants in Africa or anything, but virtue signaling (“I am saving the planet”) is so rewarding that they don’t care about the actual consequences. It is an absolutist frame of mind. If they could assess costs and benefits, they would be willing to consider adaptation instead of wind farms.

Marcus
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 3, 2016 8:55 am

..Wow, that was awesome post Willis…maybe now would be a great time for Anthony to repost it…

DMA
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 3, 2016 11:14 am

I’m with you Willis. My experience is that there are well meaning, busy folks out there that haven’t found time or energy to test the legend that assaults them daily from the radio, TV or newspaper. Some are not willing to look at the other side but some are. Sometimes a good approach is to help them follow their convictions to a logical conclusion. A recent letter to the editor recommended a carbon tax based on its effectiveness and wide support. I responded
“Your premise is that the problems of drought, fires, and beetles can be controlled by reducing fossil fuel use. To accomplish this control you recommend a CO2 tax based on its effectiveness and popularity. Can you give me any evidence of a CO2 tax being effective? If so did it effect temperature or fire outbreaks or atmospheric CO2 content? The CO2 tax in Australia seemed only to effect individual’s wealth- some positive some negative. If the reason to support the tax is it’s popularity we should put it to a vote and we can campaign on which climate we want to have.
Forgive me for sounding flip with this last paragraph. It is not meant to be demeaning of your position but to seek a thoughtful response.”
My hope this will help him look into his convictions about climate change and where he got them.

Marcus
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 3, 2016 12:44 pm

..I meant the 1% post…arrrrg !

Tom in Florida
September 3, 2016 6:40 am

Of course a lot of what we “know” comes from what we learned from our parents.

September 3, 2016 7:05 am

They have a contest to see who has the most skill in doing this. World’s Biggest Liar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Biggest_Liar
In 2007, we saw who really did have the most skill at telling tall tales………when they acquired The Nobel Peace Prize for doing it:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/

September 3, 2016 7:27 am

Too funny.
Willis’s urban legend about what urban legends are.
Willis, here is a clue. When you do “story” analysis. it is best to start with data.
ACTUAL data. ie many many many examples of urban legends.
start here.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/
You can do the same thing with fairies tales, ghost stories, detective stories…
There is a word for this discipline that escapes me… haha

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 3, 2016 4:01 pm

Hi Willis, enjoy your articles.
Steven frequently provides opposing views/reality checks sometimes with good insight……….blended into trolling.
Today’s comment suggests that his troll hat might be getting too snug around his over sized brain (-:

richard@rbaguley.plus.com
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 3, 2016 7:36 pm

Willis, when you post ” sometimes, you are a true jerkwad.” it makes you look like one.

Try acting like an adult please.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 4, 2016 2:51 am

I like your writing Willis, and this article is great. But sometimes when you react to criticism your sensitivity puts climate sensitivity in the shade.
On the other hand, I’m just as bad, so you are welcome to think of me as a pot calling the kettle…………….
These urban myths were called FOAFs when i was young ( Friend of a Friend stories) and a useful book was written on the subject by George Melly, the old British jazz singer. he agrees with you that some of these myths seem to full fill a primeval need in humans for such stories. He goes on to suggest some of the stories can be seen in legends going back as far as Babylon. As someone who has worked in psychiatry for most of my professional life I find these issues fascinating, and suspect there is a line between Urban Myths, Conspiracy theories, delusional systems and mental illness. At one end they are harmless and fun, at the other they are a pathological symptom.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tumour-Whale-Rodney-Dale/dp/0715613146

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
September 4, 2016 6:08 am

Richard,
When I read Willis say to Mosh ”sometimes, you are a true jerkwad.” , what I thought was this: True dat!
When people act like jerkwads, they can expect to be called a one.

September 3, 2016 7:35 am

With most people growing up in urban areas and spending little to no time in the wilds, the vast majority are inheriting an anthropocentric brain. No wonder CAGW is so easily adopted as truth and no wonder the resilient earth seems far fetched. This is a big reason why this urban legend persist when most others are cast aside as nonsense.

Flyoverbob
September 3, 2016 7:38 am

“not one person even questioned the story.” Where the people around the camp fire Friends? Did you challenge the storyteller? If not why not? If you did what was the reaction of the remainder of the group? This leads me to question; Was your fish camp fire story just a fish story as an opening for this article?
It is my habit when in a mixed group of friends and others I usually do not respond to a tall tale in the interest of civility. If we are all friends they expect the BS call from me. At the end of the tale of course. My point is; Silence has many meanings and until queried it is just silence.

September 3, 2016 8:04 am

In your thoughts about how to fight them you mentioned the power of ridicule. That is one of Alinsky’s Rules. It works both ways.
https://alinskydefeater.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/the-alinsky-tactics-–-rule-by-rule-part-5-–-rule-5-ridicule/

September 3, 2016 8:38 am

Humans are not inherently scientific creatures. Science is lonely. You have to question sacred cows. You get ignored, even ostracized.

September 3, 2016 8:40 am

Here’s a wonderful urban legend, the ice at the North pole was thick back in the 1960s
A lovely archive clip of the two subs at the North pole back in 1962- note the open water behind the Sub at end of clip-
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/atom-subs-meet-at-north-pole

Reply to  englandrichard
September 3, 2016 10:07 am

Arctic ice looks a bit tricky to surface today compared to 1962-

Reply to  englandrichard
September 3, 2016 10:09 am

another angle on the 1962 subs at north pole-

Ramspace
September 3, 2016 8:52 am

When Malcolm Muggeridge was a news correspondent in Moscow, he played a game with his fellow reporters. They would compete to create a fake story so obviously nonsensical that it would be rejected by the “intelligentsia visitors” to the USSR they encountered. For example, he spun a tale that the huge queues outside food shops were a deliberate plan to prevent workers from voluntarily spending too much time in the factories: the lines ensured they would get fresh air and rest. Like all the others, this fiction was gobbled up uncritically (“The Great Liberal Death Wish”). It’s like that with so many topics today: there seems to be no limit to the appetite for certain types of lies.

Johann Wundersamer
September 3, 2016 9:11 am

“The bodies of the Siberian people had decayed just like you’d expect … but the bodies of the people from the US were nearly perfectly intact, because of meat preservatives that they’d been eating!”
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Time of decay is mostly depending on composition and humidity of the soil in the cemetery.

gnomish
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
September 3, 2016 7:55 pm

and the quality of the embalming process.

September 3, 2016 9:48 am

Brilliant article on urban legends.
However, AGW is not urban; it’s official, and sacralized in the mandate given to UNFCCC in 1992 (IPCC experts produce Assessment Reports on its behalf to prosecute GHGs).
And AGW is no legend; it’s an irrefutable dogma.

James Fosser
September 3, 2016 11:22 am

Whilst 50% of the population are below average intelligence we will always have these urban legends!

Curious George
Reply to  James Fosser
September 3, 2016 1:08 pm

Let’s create a society where 80% of the population are above average intelligence.
(Newspeak, or newmath, take your pick.)

James Davidson
September 3, 2016 12:05 pm

Alex Epstein puts the moral case for the use of fossil fuels beautifully in his book the Moral Case For Fossil Fuels: ” Mankind’s use of fossil fuels is supremely virtuous,- because human life is the standard of value, and because using fossil fuels transforms our environment to make it wonderful for human life.”

Mike M. (period)
September 3, 2016 1:31 pm

So I guess terrorism is an urban legend. Or maybe Willis is having us on.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Mike M. (period)
September 3, 2016 4:52 pm

Reading comprehension FAIL.

Reply to  Mike M. (period)
September 4, 2016 5:14 am

The bias is strong with this one

Michael Carter
September 3, 2016 1:38 pm

The AGW legend is more than just urban. It is institutional and mainstream – just as the 30 yr long animal fat scare was. The vast majority of doctors believed it. Processed and polyunsaturated alternatives were ‘healthier’
Only those of us that grew up on a high animal fat diet remained skeptical. Likewise, those of us who grew up working in, and relying on weather, trust more our memories than published data and predictions
Forget any data prior to 1950. It is useless. Since then? As a friend of mine would say. ” A hell of a lot of buggr’-all is still buggr’ all” Arguments over 10th’s of 1C? . It’s child’s stuff

Reply to  Michael Carter
September 3, 2016 2:16 pm

Child’s stuff…right up until they start instituting actual harmful and expensive policies, and dismantling our energy infrastructure, and filling children’s heads up with scary stories of a hopeless future on a bleak and dead world.
Then it is not childish…it is dangerous and insane.

Reply to  Michael Carter
September 4, 2016 2:31 am

The issue is Michael that people react differently to different diets depending on their genetic makeup. There are people who could eat what is considered an unhealthy diet and live a long and healthy life. Others who eat a diet full of fresh veg, reasonable amounts of animal fat and get plenty of exercise, and fall of their perches from an MI at 35. In terms of diet, one size does not fit all. probably the only one which is toxic to pretty well everyone is smoking.
The trick is to live a lifestyle that benefits your particular needs.

Reply to  Gareth Phillips
September 4, 2016 6:14 am

And yet there are also plenty of people who smoke like chimneys for an entire lifetime from teenage years onwards, and still live a very long and healthy life.
Smoking may be associated with an increased risk of a lot of very bad outcomes, but it still grates on me when i hear people say “smoking is proven to cause cancer”, or some such.
I always want to ask them, how many cigarettes will “cause” cancer?
Obviously the question has no answer, because some will get cancer young, others much older, and many never get it at all.
BTW, I do not smoke, and never have, and encourage anyone who does smoke to quit…immediately and forever.
Just sayin’.

Mike M. (period)
Reply to  Michael Carter
September 4, 2016 7:47 am

Right. Catastrophic climate change is much more like animal fats in the diet being bad than it is like an urban legend. They are “institutional and mainstream”, not just something floating around among the uninformed.
You can take almost anything potentially dangerous (terrorism, animal fats, not wearing seat belts, …) and force fit it into the criteria Willis gives for an urban legend, as Willis has done with AGW. All you really have to do is take what experts have to say about the subject and attribute it to “Unverifiable but Prestigious Credentials”. Things like terrorism, AGW, etc. are not urban legends for the simple reason that experts say they aren’t. But the experts can be wrong (the cause of ulcers is an especially good example) and are subject to group think, just like the rest of us.

Resourceguy
September 3, 2016 4:05 pm

If the story is told by a popular comedian it’s more believable and carries weight…..with some.

Wim Röst
September 3, 2016 4:16 pm

It is deeply anchored in our genes that we FIRST OF ALL and ABOVE ALL must react on the danger that threatens us. Our possible ancestors that didn’t do so and instead preferred to listen to nice story’s, didn’t survive because sooner or later there was a spear or a club that killed them. And so their genes were lost. We all, kids of the survivors, we all have genes that let us react first of all and above all on DANGER. And people who want to ‘move people to their side’ are using this simple but deeply rooted mechanism.
Everyone who wants to manipulate uses the following system: first tell about “The Danger” and then, when everyone is starting to feel a danger, tell “The Solution”. Those who want to sell a remedy against something or want to sell a solution for something else: they first tell about the danger. In religion priests will tell you that you must avoid the dangers they are first explaining to you and after that tell you to do ‘what is good to do for you’. Nationalist leaders often told us that ‘the other country’ threatens the existence of our own country and by pointing on ‘the common danger’, they could unify a lot of people which otherwise would have only been fighting each other. In case we are convinced of ‘a real danger’ we forget all of our reasoning and first of all and above all we are going to ‘fight the danger’. Survival first, Thinking later.
And that’s what is happening in the climate scene also. Alarm alarm alarm! Danger danger danger!
So debunking the wrong ideas is step one. This website and colleagues of it did do well and this ‘debunking’ has got to go on. But after that, find a new danger which is scaring people even more? It will be difficult to convince people that there is a danger that is more threatening than climate change. Your mother says it is dangerous, the teachers say so, the media tell you and the president says that 97% of the scientists say so. Climate change is the Danger! So we don’t need to discuss that any more: let’s first fight ‘the danger’. And think later.
Who thinks different about climate change, must try to get attention in ‘another way’. Besides explaining that people ‘don’t have to worry’ because the seas will not drown whole countries, that we will not be baked in our own houses, that the coral will not be ‘bleached to death’, the ‘desertification will not kill all of our forests’ and “most of the living species will not be extinct’, we must tell another story. A positive story.
I would prefer to start a campaign “I LOVE CO2”. Telling all the good things CO2 brought to us in the past as well as in the present. About the steam machine that did run on coal and about fossil fuels that made mass production possible – and so our modern society that brought prosperity to most of us. About the present CO2 in the air that is one of the main reasons that hunger in the world is down: 30% more food production for every farmer in the world. More of the most important plant food ‘for free’, also for the poorest farmer and far lower food prices for the explosive growing urban population. Thanks to CO2.
And perhaps CO2 is even keeping us out of the dangerous next ice age!
But unfortunately, even saying loud “I LOVE CO2” has become a little bit dangerous, because there are people that are so scared for climate change that they want to fight all and everything in any way. They stopped thinking long ago. And ever did forget ‘fact checking’.
That is why humour could help. Make alarmism ridiculous. Make politicians who made and still make silly claims ridiculous. Make scientists that don’t know about the benefits of CO2 ridiculous. And make scientists (and universities) that make false claims ridiculous.
Repeat simple facts a thousand times. The Deltares map http://aqua-monitor.appspot.com/ shows we are not drowning: use it everywhere. The map that the Earth is greening https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708103521.htm – show it, use it. Explain that thanks to CO2 the world is greening. Explain that in a warmer and greening world there is room for more species than in a cold and barren world: in the Amazon are far more species living than in the Sahara and in the Arctic. Tell them that only some thousands of years ago the world has been at least as warm as we think it could or will be in 2100 – without making big problems. Show them that the world is not on a dangerous warming path by showing graphic’s like this one: http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2015/04/7_questions_with_john_christy.html
And in the end: make clear that a world that goes back to an ice age (with sea ports that will fall dry, agricultural production area’s that will be converted to plains of snow and ice, forests that will die because of the cold etc., that THAT is a real danger. A danger that could stay far away when we shouldn’t be afraid of “CO2” and should open our eyes for the real facts and for all the benefits of CO2. Inclusive the beneficial warming we are having profit of right now.
We are back where we started: people need a danger. It is a pity, but that’s in our genes. For example the danger of a Next Glacial. But also, people prefer to hear a story of a better future. That is what is motivating them positively. And that story is what they need when ‘the fear’ is fading away.
I myself have made a switch in my head when I read the book ‘Abundance’ from Peter H. Diamandis and Steven Kotler. The future will give us enormous possibility’s – and often we don’t realize this, being busy with ‘the danger’ and busy with ‘what is bad’ and for the rest: busy with daily life. Making the right choices for the right future is what people which are paving the way for the economy’s of the future should do. No, this is not ‘daily level’, most people can only be busy with today and tomorrow, the family, the street, their job. And perhaps they think about next month. But the ones who are thinking about the far future…..
I think a lot of the people of the last group are frequenting websites like this. Checking the facts and thinking about the possibilities that arise when ‘the climate danger’ has been proven not to exist.
Therefore this website is already doing a fine job. Thanks to people like Anthony, Willis and many others. Please go on and keep improving!
(I had to use a lot of words: sorry! I already stopped. I am gonna read Willis’ “We have met the 1%, and he is us”. Thanks for reading the above)

James in Philly
September 3, 2016 4:19 pm

C’mon. Australia doesn’t export any manufactured goods. Lost me right there. (LOL!)

hunter
September 3, 2016 6:01 pm

I love it. Thanks. And just what is a “meat preservative”?