Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The question might seem insane – but in a recent Fox News interview, a Democrat supporter expressed an interest, in finding out what ISIS thinks about global warming.
Original Source: http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/3543994/
Its easy to write the guy in the video off as just being an idiot, but the reality is more complex. Consider that prominent politicians like President Obama have frequently insisted that Global Warming is a greater threat than terrorism.
Imagine just for a moment that you believed those assurances.
From this perspective, wouldn’t it just maybe make sense to try to reach out to bloodthirsty Islamic terrorists, to try to find common ground, in the greater struggle to contain what you believed was an existential threat to the entire world?
I don’t know what ISIS thinks about Global Warming, but terrorist leader Osama Bin Laden certainly saw the potential of exploiting global warming fears. Towards the end of his career, Bin Laden tried to reach out to climate activists, to invite them to join his global jihad.
Nothing like a post to draw out many of the disputes of the last 16 years. My question is why many seem ignorant of any history before that, when arguably most of these disputes are much older.
I could make an argument that the Arabs have not had it together for most of the last 1000 years, noting the civil war, then the Turks, civil war again, the Crusaders, then the Mongols, then the Turks again having an effect on Arab political organization, with a plagues thrown in for confusion.
The whole US/Western response to the Muslim Middle East has been a political football since the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars, and shows no sign of being less of a tool to beat up on domestic political opponents anytime in that history. What the various politicians tend to forget is that the Muslims have their own political goals, and are not the tools of their current internal enemies. Bin Laden et al were aiming at the Saudi government, not the US per se at 9/11. John Kerry is an idiot regardless of what any foreigners do, and will make airheaded statements merely by being John Kerry.
The problem with following the masses is that sometimes the ‘m’ is silent!
Aw hang what ISIS think. This is riveting stuff with huge possibilities-
http://www.theonion.com/article/scientists-trace-heat-wave-to-massive-star-at-cent-21088
OTOH perhaps not-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/nasa-to-launch-probe-to-investigate-armageddon-asteroid/ar-BBv6BAn?li=AA5249&ocid=spartanntp
So long CAGW and hello Catastrophic Asteroidal Global Banging. We’re doomed I tell you unless the mates and I get some serious grants to look into all this.
http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news_images/4d11fa12688ba545481a4223_Lung%20transplant.jpg
The badges are the badges of AP-HP (Assistance publique – Hôpitaux de Paris):
http://www.aphp.fr/sites/default/files/styles/diaporama_386_x_218/public/votre_sejour_nos_equipes_diaporama_1_badge_rouge_web.jpg
Emmanuel Martinod is the surgeon who performed the first transplant of the respiratory tube, at Avicenne (Bobigny, France).
Just in: Clinton took $100k cash from & was director of company that gave money to ISIS
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/29/paris-strikes-astonishing-partnership-secret-isis-sponsor-ties-hillary-clinton/
Wikileaks
This thread was always going to go OT 😀
The whole ISIS climate change link is so barmy as to be parody. 😀
Dunno, what *do* ISIS think about climate change?
There is no “they” 😀 The effigy of ISIS is a straw man, they are not one single entity. They are a mix of nuts, mercenaries, militants, religious extremists.
Their fighters are paid wages.
The media have made them into something they are not, there was 30k of them initially, against all of NATO’s might, and the Media literally ran PR for the effigy of ISIS, they could not have even prayed for such exposure.
Just as the “taliban” is an effigy, they were not and are not a single entity. Al Qaeda, no one in Afghanistan ever heard that name, no one in Syria never heard of Daesh either. All these groups are collections of groups not some single force.
Lets not forget, NATO weapons given to the “rebels” in Syria went to ISIL (group of Syrian\Afghan ragtag fighters. The FSA “Free Syrian Army” spoke openly of cooperating with “their brothers” as they called them.
We are being sold a product, that product is war, if you have ever read RAND corporation documents, I have read a few, nefarious think tank who think up marketing strategies for selling war to you and I
Follow the money, always follow the money and you will find those who start wars
“ISIS” are the bad terrorists and the “Rebels” are the good terrorists.
Now Libya is being bombed yet again, 5 years after Hillary “saved Libya”. The Pentagon advised her not to do it 5 years ago as per the leaks.
We seem to be still dropping bombs in 3 countries Obama ended war in Iraq Afghanistan and now Libya.
Follow the money, perpetual war, no better profits
over two decades a marine, Smedley Butler on war, it’s a racket
https://youtu.be/F3_EXqJ8f-0
and
http://www.stripes.com/news/weapons-stolen-from-arms-room-on-us-military-base-in-stuttgart-1.421510
Weapons stolen from arms room on US military base in Stuttgart by persons unknown
So, is this real or photoshopped? Could shed some light on things like climate as a tool for control eh?
That is so out of context as to be..rofl
But even more importantly, just exactly “What does ISIS think about CO2-Global Warming?”
Book of Tenets:
1] In order to prove you are not an Infidel, you must commit suicide by murdering Infidels” [pbuh]
a] Except for Me, because Someone’s got to Manage it! [pbuh]
b] Otherwise, “Infidels” deny 1] and Anything Allah decrees as Science or True because
i) Mecca is the Center of the Universe and America is not! It follows for example that:
{You must kill Americans wherever they are and pari passu Anyone who has adopted their evil
Capitalistic or Crusader ways which presume to bring about “The Destruction of Creation!”. For
further guidance see 2] below}
c] Before it’s too late!
i) Otherwise it’s no Virgins for you!
d] See 2]
2] Read The Holy Books of Assessments and His Pope and Prophets for the most exquisite further
expositions of their Expertise!
Yours in Taqiyya,
Allahu Akbar!
n.b. – Eat your heart out Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky because Lucifer has already ascended and there will be no First Lucyfer!
Hmmm…the above didn’t follow my grammar. But after all, it is The New World Order, same as the Old Pre-Enlightenment Order. Get used to It or else!
But it could well be that Trump’s had the Ruskies hack into my computer code and change it, just to cover all possible bases which might challenge his “Dark” Realities. / sarc
Man, all these unleashed Progressive Mutant Feral Turkeys now coming home to Roost are so target-rich, I’m almost feeling rich myself! But we must ‘help’ Them to Roost on the ones who unleashed Them by defeating Alinsky’s would-be First Lucyfer, otherwise it’s no Freedom for us! Unless we then have to try to unseat another Tyranny and repeat the history of America’s Genesis.
Slight Digression: I own remote Property from which Justice William O. Douglas bought a couple of acres in the 40’s. He built 3 log cabins on it, and the front door to his Library was adorned only by the simple word, “Genesis”. Amen.
Janice, you say
“The tenets of fundamental, basic, Islam are utterly ev1l and violent toward women, other groups, and to all non-believers.”
Maybe you should read the bible…see if that floats your boat.
Bible violence toward Women –
Raping Mutilation & Killing (Isaiah 13:15-16) (Hosea 13:16)
Pedophilia (Judges 21:11-12) (Numbers 31:18)
Mutilation of women (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
Women are sinful & wicked (Eccles. 25:13) (Eccles. 25:22)
Women to be subservient to men (I Timothy 2:11-14) (Ephesians 5:22-24)
Let your women keep silence (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
Bible violence toward all non-believers –
(Deuteronomy 13:6-16) (Deuteronomy 17:3-5)( Numbers 31)
(Luke 19:27) (Matthew 10:34)
True Christians must comply with all the above, as Jesus said to follow the torah teachings (Matt. 5:17).
Religions are not pick & mix, you must have faith & belief, anyone who deviates is a heretic…just like in CAGW.
Is the Quran more violent than the Bible? That question is hard to answer.
See – http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran
Yes blaming religion absolves the individual. Each man has a choice before him, be an animal or not, he can read what he likes but he knows what is right or wrong.
As you rightly pointed out the Bible is very violent if you wish to interpret that way. We choose not to. As in each man and woman choose not to follow it that literally. So each who follows Islam chooses their interpretation.
There is a common theme throughout the world where religious beliefs script are taken on in full, and that common theme is never pleasant to us soft life kinds so we dont understand it. Much of it is born of anger and lack of other points of view, isolationism and rabble rousers who manipulate easy fodder for hate.
There are many muslims here in Finland, I’ve met plenty, African and Middle eastern, Iraqi, I worked with an Iraqi women. In almost all cases, they speak two or thee languages fluently, are well educated and uncowed.
One is a carer in my kids creche and my kids adore her. She’s intelligent and certainly not oppressed. On more than one occasion I got the distinct feeling the woman was wearing the pants when I met a couple.
I see kids out playing, with other teens, phones mucking around dancing to music ect.
And yes you have the hardliners. The animals, the killers. but nuance in this world is truly dead!
“As you rightly pointed out the Bible is very violent if you wish to interpret that way.”
Jesus said if someone slaps you on the face, you should turn the other cheek, rather than engage that person violently. Can you show an example of Jesus promoting violence against innocents? Even one? I didn’t think so.
Can you show an example of Mohammed promoting violence? Numerous instances.
Islam and Chrisianity are not on an equal moral footing.
Majority of iolence described in Bible is not instructions for current behavior – it’s record of what happened. Noone required to do it, and if they do it’s their own choice.
Majority of violence described in Koran is something to followed, because it was done by perfect human being, the Muhhamed (pbuh)
Which is why if you are observant muslim, you have no choice whether do what is described or not – you have to do what prophet did under similar circumstances. It is not open to interpretations.
One can chose to ignore Koran, but then one wouldn’t be a muslim anymore.
“Jesus said if someone slaps you on the face, you should turn the other cheek, rather than engage that person violently. ”
You proved my point because most readers of the bible would not follow than tenet, you slap anyone in the face and the “person” will respond, not jesus or the bible.
Mark – Helsinki August 2, 2016 at 1:55 am wrote:
TA: “Jesus said if someone slaps you on the face, you should turn the other cheek, rather than engage that person violently. ”
Mark: “You proved my point because most readers of the bible would not follow that tenet, you slap anyone in the face and the “person” will respond, not jesus or the bible.”
Well, I don’t know about making any point, but you are correct, most people would respond with violence if slapped in the face. The point is, if they are Christians, they wouldn’t have their religious leader’s permission to do so. He advised them to do otherwise.
And BTW Mark, I do enjoy most of your posts. I disagree with some, but very few, and none on the subject of CAGW.
The cowardice of Liberals would love nothing better than to find ” common ground ” with terrorists.
The Left doesn’t want to find common ground with the terrorists. The Left is deathly afraid of the terrorists, so they pretend they are not really terrorists, as a way of making themselves feel better about the situation, since they have no intention of trying to fix the situation because they are afraid, so they ignore the situation, and pretend it doesn’t exist.
So connecting climate change to ISIS means to the Left that ISIS are just good people who have been misunderstood, because they are worried about climate change, too.
Making this a polarised political issue is not really helpful. Life is a negotiation after all, at every turn.
Calling anything you dont agree with “left” or “right” doesn’t really make sense and all to often that is the discourse these days.
I checked out of politics and ideology decades ago. I love history and history shows that those two things are the most used divisive tools used to manipulate within social discourse, patriotism is used at a international level, and religion is another.
As I said, nuance is dead! Too many seem to wrongly boil it down to binary choices, binary choices are of no use when you come to a crossroads with 3 choices
I agree generalizations should be avoided when possible, but the fact is there *are* large groups of people who think pretty much the same way, especially in the political arena, so generalizing on their behavior is relevant.
I can tell if you are on the Left or Right shortly after reading or hearing you expound on a political subject. It would fit a stereotype I have seen before. I would compare your position to mine and determine your leanings from there.
Group-Think is alive and well in human society. There are lots of people who don’t think for themselves, or don’t think about much beyond their narrow lives, and all they know is what they hear and see on tv.
Intentional polarisation takes two sets of people who agree on 95% of things and makes them fight over the 5% of differences
ISIS details ‘Why We Hate You’ in new magazine
Christians HATE: Muslims & Jews.
Muslims HATE: Jews & Christians.
Jews HATE: Christians & Muslims.
They all have two things in common –
– the same god (of Abraham)
– & HATE.
Deeply held beliefs seem to generate HATE,
look how the Warmists act towards skeptics.
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…How many Christians or Jewish people do you see massacring innocent civilians everyday in your little atheist world???
..P.S. ……I am an Agnostic person …
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/08/01/isis-details-why-hate-in-new-magazine.html
@ur momisugly Marcus
You say
“How many Christians or Jewish people do you see massacring innocent civilians”
Where should we start; let’s look at a few historical facts –
Christians killing – Muslims, Jews & Christians.
Crusaders 7 May 1099 the crusaders killed almost every inhabitant of Jerusalem. Muslims and Jews alike.
The genocide of the Cathars (1209–1229) Pope Innocent III had 200,000 men, women and children butchered.
The Lucera Muslim colony was sacked in 1300 by Christian forces under the command of Charles II of Naples. The majority of the city’s Muslim inhabitants were slaughtered or – as happened to almost 10,000 of them – sold into slavery.
1821 Greeks kill ~20,000 Muslim Turks in Tripolitsa, plus the entire Jewish population of the city.
Russo-Turkish War 1877–1878 – 260,000 Muslim Turks perished and 500,000 became refugee
~ 6 milion Jews 1939-45,
Northern Island – Christians killing Christians. 1,000s dead over 300+ yrs.
2014/15 Central African Republic Christians ethnic cleansing of Muslims.
For more see – http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html
Jews killing -Christian & Muslim
20,000 Christians massacred in Yemen by “Yousef Asa’ar”, a Jewish warlord AD 516.
100s of 1,000s killed by Jewish Bolsheviks in the Russian Revolution (20 million claimed but I can’t substantiate).
Repeated attacks on Christian and Muslim places of worship in the Palestinian territories by small minority of violent extremist Jewish settlers
Then in India we have – Christians, Hindus, Muslim & Sikhs all butchering each other ( ~ 3-4 million since 1947).
The 3 Balkan Wars, complicated but with a large religious element.
Even the quintessentially peaceful and nonviolent faith Buddhism is on a Muslim killing spree in Sri Lanka and Myanmar, ignoring the teachings of the Dalai Lama.
No room here to go into full lists of religious bloodshed…. & then there are all the non- religious atrocities.
Humans are not a nice species.
But to look on the bright side, all this violence keeps the population down & arms dealers can make a nice profit.
1saveenergy,
“No room here to go into full lists of religious bloodshed…. & then there are all the non- religious atrocities.”
Yeah, approximately 250,000,000 humans murdered in cold blood, by non-religious regimes, just since the twentieth century began . . (didn’t take much room at all)
But seeing is done in the present, and the question stands it seems to me.
PS ~ “Jews” is not necessarily a religious classification . . and I bet you realized that.
I think if we apply a bit of basic scientific reasoning to the matter you’ll agree that far, far more Americans have died due to the cold than have died due to terrorist incidents since 1990, the year the IPCC was founded.
Therefore, as ISIS currently stands, it represents almost zero threat to Americans, as you have spent your military dollars ensuring that the Muslims fleeing war zones all end up in Europe.
You are all neurotic hysterics where terrorism is concerned. You have not experienced anything of any significance, ever, in your history, where death associated with terror is concerned.
Europe has. Russia has. The Middle East has. Africa has.
America has not.
Now if ISIS actually targeted nuclear weapons at you, you might start worrying.
But as long as it is 9/11, a lorry driven into a crowd or the like, you can rest easy.
You aren’t going to be wiped out by terrorism.
And as things stand, you’re unlikely to be wiped out by climate either……..
…Well, unlike you, we believe ALL LIVES MATTER ! One preventable American death is one too many !
rtj1211,
If you can go to jail for criticizing the intentional importation of millions of military age Muslims (or anyone else, or anything else), you ARE in a totalitarian police state already, as far as I’m concerned. So who cares what you think we (in the US) are worried about, if you are not even worried about that?
It’s about the freedoms and “unalienable” rights, and terrorism (and hyped up violence by SJWs and such) allows for the gradual curtailment of those freedoms and rights, using the terrorism/violence as an excuse we (free people) are concerned about, naturally. So sue us, contented prisoner . .
The Islamic Terror Army is a rag-tag bunch of criminals and psychopaths equivalent to a Los Angeles street gang armed with military heavy weapons. They are no match for a competent fighting force.
A concerted effort against the Islamic Terror Army would route them from their safe places in a matter of weeks. The Islamic Terror Army can not stand up to a professional military force. They will be too busy running away.
Trump says he is going to wipe ISIS out Quickly. The U.S. has the ability to do this, if its leader gives the go-ahead.
Six more months and Trump is in Office (maybe). Three months later the Islamic Terror Army is running for the hills.
If Hillary gets in there, ISIS has nothing to worry about. She will do about what Obama is doing now: Nothing of any conseqence.