Newsbytes: Brexit: Green Industry Fears Break-Up Of Climate Consensus

Britain & Germany May Delay Coal Phase-Out

The financial uncertainty triggered by the UK’s vote to leave the EU has sent shudders through virtually every industry, but Europe’s renewable energy sector faces even greater insecurity. The successful Leave campaign was led by several political figures opposed to tackling climate change by replacing fossil fuel power stations with wind farms and other sources of renewable energy. The campaign’s strategy committee included Lord [Nigel] Lawson, founder of the Global Warming Policy Foundation think-tank which says the science of climate change is “not yet settled”. –Pilita Clark, Financial Times, 4 July 2016

Britain’s decision to leave the European Union frees up the nation to set environmental rules independent of the other 27-nations in the bloc, raising the risk for renewable energy developers that restrictions will be loosened on coal power. –Jessica Shankleman, Bloomberg, 5 July 2016

Climate sceptics are taking advantage of the confusion caused by the EU referendum to attack the UK’s low carbon policy. The Global Warming Policy Forum, a think tank founded by Leave backer Lord Lawson, is hosting an event in the House of Lords on Monday evening. Legal professor David Campbell is set to argue the government should scrap the carbon budget for 2028-32 it approved last Thursday. Noting that the impact assessment was based on the assumption Britain would be in the EU in 2030, the GWPF calls for a review. None of the Conservative leadership candidates have indicated plans to do so, director Benny Peiser told Climate Home. But he added: “If they think the targets are a burden to the economy and undermining British competitiveness, then all of the candidates will be open to revising the targets.” –Megan Darby, Climate Home, 3 July 2016

In view of the shambles engulfing our politics in all directions, it might seem appropriate that last Thursday MPs should blithely have accepted that, within a few years, our lights will go out and our economy will grind to a halt. What they allowed to be nodded through was something called the “Fifth Carbon Budget”, committing us to an energy policy so insanely unworkable that it can only result in Britain committing economic suicide. Apart from the Global Warming Policy [Forum] and 15 Tory MPs, including three former Cabinet ministers, almost no one seems to have pointed out that, whatever happens to Brexit, Parliament has now set us firmly on course for a disaster beyond all imagining. –Christopher Booker, The Sunday Telegraph, 3 July 2016

h/t to Dr. Benny Peiser of The GWPF

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July 5, 2016 10:19 am

The “climate consensus”, as that term is used in the title, was doomed to failure and breakup in any event simply due to it not being feasible to implement. Brexit is only a convenient excuse for its expected failure, instead of the real cause of it not being compatible with reality.

Reply to  PJ
July 5, 2016 10:59 am

The “climate consensus” is enforced by “green” clauses in the artfully named “trade agreements”. The UK exit from the EU puts it outside the EU agreements. Thats why they have all the moaning about needing a new UK Trade Agreement…

Context and objectives
The Parties recognise that the environment is a fundamental pillar of sustainable development and recognise the contribution that trade could make to sustainable development. The Parties stress that enhanced cooperation to protect and conserve the environment brings benefits that will:
Article 24.4
Multilateral environmental agreements
1.The Parties recognise the value of international environmental governance and agreements as a response of the international community to global or regional environmental problems and stress the need to enhance the mutual supportiveness between trade and environment policies, rules, and measures.

2.Each Party reaffirms its commitment to effectively implement in its law and practices, in its whole territory, the multilateral environmental agreements to which it is party.

In other words: The Paris Agreement and any future such becomes law by reference.
Similar is in TPP and TTIP and others.
This is the back door past Parliament and Congress. Sign a “Trade Agreement ” then slide in Green Tyranny via reference to enforcing other “environmental agreements” that no longer need rise to Treaty level approval nor necessarily even be passed by congress. Agencies and Presidents can reach “agreements”.

Reply to  E.M.Smith
July 5, 2016 12:10 pm

Trade agreements are not treaties because they can be unilaterally revoked.

Reply to  E.M.Smith
July 5, 2016 1:32 pm

@ Ristvan, with heavy penalties as Canada sadly learned with the NAFTA ” trade agreement “.

Reply to  E.M.Smith
July 5, 2016 4:47 pm

Depends on how they are presented to the Senate and voted on. Senate already voted on secret trade authority for Obama to wordcraft TPP, so now it can go into force with a lower Senate vote count.

Reply to  E.M.Smith
July 5, 2016 10:46 pm

The rest never left.

Reply to  PJ
July 5, 2016 1:28 pm

Exactly so. We in the UK live in a strange (though very rewarding and exciting) world and will do for a while yet. We all need to keep taking the pills. All will emerge the stronger, the better and the much more democratic.

Reply to  PJ
July 5, 2016 1:57 pm

(1) CO2 is a non-problem. Beneficial, if anything.
(2) The windmills were ditzy anyway (though tilting at them has been entertaining).

Reply to  Goldrider
July 5, 2016 10:31 pm

The sun and the biome conspire to almost irreversibly sequester carbon deep in the form of hydrocarbons and carbonates. Had man not arrived to free the enslaved, fossilized, carbon and release the tremendous boon and blessing of carbon dioxide, the world would have gradually strangled, asphyxiated, and gasping cachectically as the Earth and its biome gradually lost the ability to convert the sun’s energy into the stuff of living critters, and their sustaining energy.
We thank Gaia regularly for her blessing of human life. Regularly, but inadequately. This sad and thoughtless neglect by ourselves of ourselves is to be corrected and improved. It will not be necessary to deify humanity; appreciation is better expressed in other fashion. We’ll learn.

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July 6, 2016 2:06 am


Reply to  PJ
July 7, 2016 8:12 pm

If Brexit doesn’t manage to bring edible bangers and mash back to London pubs, it has no purpose.

July 5, 2016 10:29 am

With or without Brexit, Green industry should be scared. The writing has been on the wall for a very long time that consensus climate science is horribly broken, dubiously supported and highly political. Science is self correcting when its wrong, politics is self collapsing when a supporting truth its found to be egregiously wrong. In the final analysis, the scientific truth will eventually win and this should scare the hell out of Green industry.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 5, 2016 11:30 am

The serious environmental problems have been solved. The sensible people have cleaned up the environment a sensible amount.
All that remains on the environmental side are fake problems that can solved with a fake solution.
Selling people the emperor’s new clothes and having them spend billions or trillions for no reason is a hard sell.
The Greens can’t let the facts be honestly studied and they can’t let informed, rational, reasonable people have control of the decision process.
It takes a lot of lying and deceiving to convince people that flushing their green money down the green toilet is a good idea, and they aren’t supposed to notice that a lot of green hands are grabbing the greenbacks when they come out at the other end of the pipe.

Barbara Skolaut
Reply to  PA
July 5, 2016 1:02 pm

“It takes a lot of lying and deceiving to convince people that flushing their green money down the green toilet is a good idea”
What makes you think the greenies are using their money?

Reply to  PA
July 5, 2016 3:40 pm

As socialists, the Greenies ALWAYS use other people’s money–they’d be more wise with their own, naturally.

Reply to  PA
July 5, 2016 5:20 pm

What makes you think the greenies are using their money?
Greenbacks are not printed by environmentalists, if they are we haven’t caught them yet. However you do point out that I could have done a better job of word smithing. How is this:
“It takes a lot of lying and deceiving to convince the sane and rational general public, that flushing their hard earned dollars down the green toilet for no reason and no gain is a good idea. Further, these victims of warmunism/environmentalism aren’t supposed to notice that a lot of green hands are grabbing the greenbacks when they come out at the other end of the pipe.”

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  PA
July 5, 2016 5:46 pm

A major issue in North America is the number of unplugged oil & as wells that are kept in production only because of the plugging and abandoning costs. In the US alone there are over 230,000 so-called stripper wells. As a well ages and production drops it is often sold down to a smaller producer. A typical P&A costs $50,000 and more yet small producers only have to provide a bond of $25,000 for up to 9 wells.
Greens are concerned with fracking and earthquakes when open and abandoned wells is a far greater problem.

Reply to  PA
July 5, 2016 6:19 pm

Steve from Rockwood July 5, 2016 at 5:46 pm
A major issue in North America is the number of unplugged oil & as wells that are kept in production only because of the plugging and abandoning costs.

I don’t understand the issue of abandoned oil wells. You can’t fall into the well, the hole is too small. Stripper implies a pumped well. If you don’t pump a pumped well… well?

David A
Reply to  PA
July 5, 2016 10:46 pm

Palatable water, over fishing, nations devel oping energy sans fossil fuel polution controls, China as an example, green energies licenense to kill rare birds of prey, are, among other examples, real concerns.

Reply to  PA
July 7, 2016 6:38 pm

The left has to come up with more and more crazy proposals in an attempt to stay relevant. The environment has been “cleaned-up” for several years, to the point we are wasting $billions on fake and useless projects that only restrict people’s freedoms.

Ivor Ward
July 5, 2016 10:37 am

A Bonfire of the Vanities.

george e. smith
July 5, 2016 10:38 am

Well they say that the margin of the win was small; only 4%, so there was no ” consensus ” for leave.
Last time I checked the math, 52/48 = 1.0833… That’s 8 1/3 % greater which is in landslide territory.
And the “stay” woosies were heavily loaded with immigrants who want to keep all the free stuff coming.
The Brexit vote simply lights up the fact that the EU is in no way different from the old and now defunct USSR. Except of course that the Soviet Union swept up Eastern Europe as slave States, while the West just looked on; whereas the EU-rope-ins did it to themselves.
The older European Common Market, might have made some sense, but a nation without sovereignty and secure borders, leaks like a sieve, and what leaks out is Freedom.
The UK Exodus, comes just in time save its culture; and this should be a wake up call to the USA, which is rapidly losing its unique culture to balkanization.

Gerry, England
Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 11:53 am

The leavers had the whole government machine illegally ranged against them so even if the remainers had won there would have been no end to the campaign to leave. They can’t complain about our win given their cheating.

Reply to  Gerry, England
July 5, 2016 12:59 pm

Yet we still have to put up with twats like Richard Branson, and his lack of understanding what a democracy is. What do those who say such crap think? Do they really believe in their wildest dreams that a second referendum would be called? It beggars belief that these people have attained high stature in office and business.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Gerry, England
July 5, 2016 9:18 pm

What about the poor, self disenfranchised youth who forgot to show some motivation on an issue they apparently care about deeply?

Reply to  Gerry, England
July 6, 2016 4:37 am

“Yet we still have to put up with twats like Richard Branson …”
Is that the same Richard Branson who owns his own island but doesn’t want us to own ours?
Or was it the one who loved the EU so much that he moved part of his business out of the UK and into Switzerland – which, of course, is not in the EU?

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 12:32 pm

george e. smith says: July 5, 2016 at 10:38 am
… this should be a wake up call to the USA, which is rapidly losing its unique culture to balkanization.

There are some people still talking about the actual breakup of the USofA.
I would say that the culture of the US has never been completely homogeneous. For as long as I can remember, people have been campaigning against Californication. Large chunks of the country fear and distrust other large chunks of the country.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  commieBob
July 5, 2016 2:45 pm

” Large chunks of the country fear and distrust other large chunks of the country.” …with good reason. I went through the Californication of parts of Colorado for about 10 years before I voted with my feet. I knew I wouldn’t be able to afford to retire there. I did think it funny they were turning it into what they had left behind. Said they left California because they didn’t like what it had become. Human nature sure is interesting.

george e. smith
Reply to  commieBob
July 5, 2016 7:54 pm

Well it’s a common problem. My SoCal lefty in-laws all upstaked and moved to Oregon, to escape what they helped create, and they no doubt will assist other Cal expats to accelerate the rate of that State’s decline. Not that today’s Oregonians aren’t wacky enough already.
I may have to join them up there eventually, which will be sort of a homecoming, since that was my first home in the USA, 56 years ago.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 3:07 pm

…Well they say that the margin of the win was small; only 4%, so there was no ” consensus ” for leave.
Last time I checked the math, 52/48 = 1.0833… That’s 8 1/3 % greater which is in landslide territory….

That was an absolute voter figure. If you examine the voting by constituencies, the way it would go in a general election, you find that the country would have split 70%-30% in favour of Leave.
The appalling fact is that this concern has been growing over the last 30 years. And the Establishment has kept it suppressed by a mixture of smearing any anti-EU discussion with facist/racist insults, keeping them out of the press, and ensuring that ALL the major UK political parties supported the EU.
Really, the parallel with climate change scepticism is very similar. The elite establishment have kept the lid on the pot until it boiled over, and are still trying to put it back on. What price democracy?

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 5, 2016 10:32 pm

Blood, sweat, tears, and toil, and much more, so very much more.

Bloke down the pub
July 5, 2016 11:08 am

Andrea Leadsom was one of the leaders of the Leave campaign. She would be my clear favourite in the Tory leadership battle were it not that she is the current energy minister and has done nothing to reign in the green blob at the DECC.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
July 5, 2016 11:58 am

Andrea Leadsom is utterly stupid. She is a vacuous air head of a woman who has not a single idea of how to bring about Brexit. Luckily she was true to type in her 1922 Committee appearance and pretty much torpedoed her chances. While I detest May as another left wing Blairite Blue Labour tory just like Cameron, she has talked sense on Brexit and would seem the best – sorry, I mean least worst – option for the time being. Her referendum efforts amounted to reeling off a lot of things that could only be changed by leaving then saying she thought we should remain before turning on her kitten heels and hiding for the rest of the campaign.

Reply to  Gerry, England
July 5, 2016 1:03 pm

Yes, it really comes to something, doesn’t it, when the ‘best’ candidate is Theresa May!!! My choice would have been David Davis. He or Ian Duncan Smith would have made a great PM. Looks like we’re going to be saddled with May. It’s like a bad dream. But strange times are ahead. We could see two Labour parties and a re-invigorated Ukip.

Reply to  Gerry, England
July 5, 2016 3:21 pm

“While I detest May as another left wing Blairite Blue Labour tory just like Cameron, she has talked sense on Brexit ”
She was for remain. While I did hear her say that “out means out” any other time her mouth moves it never says anything. People say she has a lot of experience but unfortunately she has never put any of it into practice. She has crap dress sense
Maybe this one was to show she has feminine attributes?

Reply to  Gerry, England
July 5, 2016 3:32 pm

Bloke down the pub
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
July 5, 2016 2:47 pm
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
July 5, 2016 3:27 pm

It was Andrea Leadsom that got onshore wind farms cancelled
Do you think that anyone that is 100% against renewable energy could get any position in government?

Reply to  Bloke down the pub
July 5, 2016 3:39 pm

I think you misjudge our Andrea. She has been quietly pushing nuclear. I heard her say ‘dispatch’ and listened…she actually knew what it meant.
She does her homework.
She can’t change policy yet, but she is nobodies fool.The Amber Ruddite is the one to sack.

Bruce Cobb
July 5, 2016 11:18 am

The timing could not be better to strike, while the iron is hot. Hit them while they are down. Also a good time for Conservatives to show their mettle.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 5, 2016 11:36 am

Hopefully the British Conservatives have more mettle than their US counterparts.

Reply to  RH
July 5, 2016 4:53 pm

HEY – its the RINOs in the house and senate that are the problem …

Pop Piasa
July 5, 2016 11:21 am

I’m wondering if Australia will pull out next.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Pop Piasa
July 5, 2016 7:03 pm

Australian politicians that survive the narrowest of elections have been told that significant vote shifting went to new small parties that strongly oppose Establishment action on climate change.
Time will tell if they ignore this message and concentrate on other post election issues like superannuation, job security, taxation concessions, to name some.
Fundamentally, the message seems to be that pollies must junk their personal world views and act upon the wishes of the people.
Although basic, this message is appropriate for Brexit stayers and Hillary slaves.

Mike G
July 5, 2016 11:22 am

Germany already had a major coal buildout in progress to replace it’s nukes.
Is this in addition to that?

Reply to  Mike G
July 6, 2016 3:50 am

Had – the last power station under that programme has now been completed – there is only one vaguely ‘in the pipeline’ with about zero chance of a go ahead. One of the stations built has never switched on…
8 small lignite plants are ‘on the reserve’ and will close by end 2019 (a tiny part of all coal plant, but a start).
In short, the Germans are arguing about coal shut down by 2045 or 2050 or possibly 2030 – but won’t give a date, as the trade unions in the power/coal industry are too strong.
(German deep mined coal all closes by 2018, BTW)
Germany is not going to revive coal… it is losing money hand over fist, which will shut it at some point. Both major German power firms have split their fossil fuel interests off into separate companies.

July 5, 2016 11:25 am

If the british only change Big EU government for Big GB government nothing will change. Big government doesn’t listen to the people and needs fear to stay in power. Sound science and a healthy economy is only possible with much less bureaucracy.

Reply to  Robertvd
July 5, 2016 11:35 am

The EU is a bureaucratic fascistic monster which doesn’t/can’t permit freedom. It has / wants to control everything.

george e. smith
Reply to  Robertvd
July 5, 2016 11:47 am

Well at least it would be their own big government.
I’m trying to remember the name of the last Belgian, who actually did something famous!
Well maybe he invented Brussels sprouts.

Tom Halla
Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 11:56 am

The last Belgian who I can think of who did something famous was Diudonne Saive, of FN, who developed the FN FAL rifle.

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 12:10 pm

Big government always is in the hands of powerful lobbies and therefore would never be ‘their own’.

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 12:24 pm

I’m trying to remember the name of the last Belgian, who actually did something famous!

Hercule Poirot, I think.

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 12:37 pm

Herman van Rompuy

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 3:23 pm

René Magritte. Appeared on Belgian bank notes before the Euro arrived and trashed all that.

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 3:43 pm

Hercule Poirot?

Reply to  george e. smith
July 5, 2016 10:33 pm

Charles V.

Reply to  george e. smith
July 6, 2016 4:03 am

Here are a few Belgians.
Eddy Merckx, five times winner of the Tour de France.
Adolphe Sax, inventor of the saxophone.
Herge (Georges Remi) , the creator of TinTin.
Audrey Hepburn, actress.
Plastic Bertrand, punk/rock singer of ‘Ca Plane Pour Moi’ fame.
Peter Paul Rubens, baroque painter.
And of course, celebrated by They Might be Giants, the great James Ensor, Belgium’s famous painter. If only he had not become obsessed with the accordion.

It is not really that there are no famous Belgians, but that we do not know they are Belgian.

Tom Halla
July 5, 2016 11:30 am

Very interesting political trends regarding the green blob. I only hope they play out in the US with the defeat of Hilary Clinton.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 5, 2016 12:48 pm

The common renewable energy money trail indicates that there would be no difference if Clinton or Sanders won.
Don’t know about Trump. But the renewable energy money trail appears to be Democratic right now?

Tom Halla
Reply to  Barbara
July 5, 2016 2:01 pm

After Comey’s press conference today, it looks very much like Hillary Clinton will not be indicted, so Sanders has no chance of the Democratic nomination. Trump has at least made comments unfavorable to the whole global waming theme. Cruz was much better on opposing the green blob, but he is out.

Reply to  Barbara
July 5, 2016 4:48 pm

The Party Platforms will reveal which way things will go.

Reply to  Barbara
July 5, 2016 10:19 pm

James Comey’s the sort of man who would pursue his corrupt agenda to the hospital bedside of a fearsomely ill boss, one not fully in possession of his senses. He’s the sort of man who would enable the excesses and vain madnesses of the sort of man Patrick Fitzgerald is. He’s well fitted for a poisonous role in the Clinton’s corrupt and increasingly oppressive world. He’ll answer for it all, someday, somewhere, somehow, someWho.

Johann Wundersamer
July 5, 2016 11:50 am

Think what the EU is going through right now
for the US is told in the movie
Gangs of NY

Stephen Richards
July 5, 2016 12:02 pm

The green blob has deeply penetrate the Houses of Parliament UK. The vast majority of MPs still worship at the alter of green money. It will be some years yet before the final demise of the green blob in UK and Europe. But it is coming. Following on from the up and coming power cuts.

Reply to  Stephen Richards
July 5, 2016 12:23 pm
Reply to  Stephen Richards
July 6, 2016 3:48 am

The penetration runs far deeper than that Stephen, we’ve allowed ourselves to be systematically shafted.
Sheer stupidity is trumped only by rank arrogance on the road to dystopia. Here’s a good game of hunt the buzz-words for you. Highlight pen in hand, read it and weep, :
Whether it’s May or Leadsom is largely irrelevant at this point. Neither plumage purveyor has the intellectual capacity or balls to do what’s required. One is a fixated automaton and the other appears to have god bothering arbitration tendencies. I wouldn’t trust either to look after a bag of gob stoppers for more than two minutes.
We’re so far up a proverbial subversive creek, capitalized by egotistical crooks, it’s hard to see a way out. Particularly for the young, which is extremely sad.

Reply to  AJB
July 7, 2016 7:09 pm

“We’re so far up a proverbial subversive creek, capitalized by egotistical crooks, it’s hard to see a way out. Particularly for the young, which is extremely sad.”
Big Government is ideologically, morally and financially bankrupt. This is the Soviet Union about two years before the Berlin Wall fell. It’s all over bar the collapse.

Mark from the Midwest
July 5, 2016 12:13 pm

Ironic that something that causes so much insecurity is facing, according to the Financial TImes, “insecurity.” It’s sort of like economic Karma.

July 5, 2016 12:20 pm

I bought into coal and uranium etfs this year just for this.
Visited a open-caste coal mine operations in eastern Germany two weeks ago. All looks well. They do a very good job at reclamation too.
“Renewables” like wind-turbines and solar-voltaics may be the early losers in the Brexit for both UK and EU just for the staggering GDP percentage the subsidies require.

Reply to  RBom
July 5, 2016 12:58 pm

I read some stories on how they restore coal mining pits in Germany, about 7 years ago. It was impressive to see how the end result turned out.

Reply to  goldminor
July 6, 2016 7:05 am

I once had a coal strip mining operation going on right next to my property, which lasted a couple of years, and then they stopped digging coal and restored the land and I was really amazed at how good a job they did. You would never know there had been a strip mine there if you walked over it today.

Reply to  RBom
July 5, 2016 10:37 pm

Virtue signals, vanity waves;
Turbines pass wind, panels wave asses.

July 5, 2016 12:21 pm

Monday, July 4, 2016, 1:07 PM – A new international study is revealing what could be the signs that the Antarctic ozone hole is healing, and could even be permanently closed by the middle of this century. Don’t you just love it these people never stop.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Russell
July 6, 2016 6:52 am

You mean the people who post off-topic stuff? you’re right, they don’t get it.

Roy Jones
July 5, 2016 12:55 pm

“The successful Leave campaign was led by several political figures opposed to tackling climate change by replacing fossil fuel power stations with wind farms and other sources of renewable energy.”
I think that line should read:
“The successful Leave campaign was led by several political figures opposed to tackling climate variability by destroying the British economy.”

Reply to  Roy Jones
July 5, 2016 11:44 pm

Maybe a slight rewording: “The successful Leave campaign was led by several political figures opposed to destroying the British economy in a vain attempt to tackle climate variability.”

July 5, 2016 1:04 pm

Well, before I post my piece, I would just like to bring it to your attention… that I really don’t give a damn about the EU nor do I care if the Brits stay or go. Lets face it, instead of being part of 1 large ignorant beast collective…..its now a much smaller collective where the majority still impose on the so-called minority of 48%
That’s the problem with democracy. Come on, lets look at it for what it is: half the country disagrees with the other, now how the hell do you make decisions like that.
Regardless, economics aside, everyone will still get their daily bread, water and have shelter……even it means leaving this corporate entity know as the EU. And it is a corporate entity.
Those who take this EU crap seriously, really have lost touch of what really matters in life and should not focus on what a club and its members are voting upon. Man will always have his rights no matter what the EU believes.
Climate or economics- trust me when it comes to the EU vote, it won’t matter in the long run. Its all one big game of deception led by lawyers and their stooges- the politicians!!!!
like George Carlin said: don’t worry the planet will be alright.

July 5, 2016 1:21 pm

The good news just keeps on coming out of Brexit.

July 5, 2016 2:01 pm

Green Industry Fears Break-Up Of Climate Consensus”
One man’s fear is another man’s cheer.

July 5, 2016 2:02 pm

At this rate, competitive pricing and bidding for energy and renewable energy projects will be discussed…..on or about 2025. The great carbon crusade was really a relaxation of competitive bid contracting standards in addition to policy driven science at many levels. This is comparable to dropping the lending standards at banks and hoping it will all turn out well in the long run.

James Schrumpf
July 5, 2016 2:12 pm

They say that like it’s a bad thing.

Coach Springer
July 5, 2016 3:12 pm

Well, they haven’t been able to rely on the science since they went alarmist. So political breakup is the biggest fear that they have left. As for climate change, they need it for political purposes rather than fear it.

July 5, 2016 5:33 pm

Good news
Just came across this at Bloomberg:
“Ian Duncan, a U.K. Conservative member of the European Parliament, resigned his lead role crafting rules for the next phase of the EU program that caps carbon dioxide from power plants, factories and airlines — one of Europe’s most important environmental initiatives. The environment committee has put the resignation on hold pending higher-level deliberations in the EU assembly on how to treat lead legislative work by British members in general.”
That suggests the joyful realization of reduced air-travel fees that are placed on air-fares to subsidize the EU Komminisars (Dacha in Crimea, Mistress, Fun-Money in Bank in Bahamas or British West Indies etc.).
Ha ha

July 5, 2016 7:02 pm

In a truly free market the cheapest energy will rise to the surface and that includes the consumers’ sense of environment and not just crass need for cheap energy. As CO2 is plant food and has no detectable ability to warn Earth’s climate, there is no downside to carbon-based fuels. Furthermore, we have loads of coal, enough for hundreds of years and, now that we know that gas and oil are renewable, being from Earth’s core, we do not have a problem there at all. If, given five hundred years, we so not master both fission and fusion energies, then we deserve to fail. Meanwhile, we will continue to use coal, gas, and oil for pharmaceuticals, plastics, and ground transportation. I am assuming the average consumer will not need a nuclear-powered car anytime in the future and that oil/gasoline will continue to be the most dense energy source for cars. Electric cars simply cannot and will not carry sufficient energy that is conveniently replaced in a reasonable time to challenge that of gasoline or diesel. The silly idea of having battery exchange sites is patently unsound.

Reply to  higley7
July 5, 2016 10:41 pm

With you on all but ‘no detectible ability to warm the Earth’s climate’. It can warm, it will warm, it will be detected, it will be a slow and gradual warming that will be net beneficial, above and beyond all the net good also coming from the use of fossil fuels, the greening from CO2 fertilization, and the tremendous societal benefit from cheap energy.

joe - constitutional scholar
July 5, 2016 7:06 pm

The green industry fears the loss of funding – its the money
Planned parenthood fears the loss of funding – thats why they oppose all abortion restrictions – its the money

Reply to  joe - constitutional scholar
July 5, 2016 10:44 pm

A monster with a seeming life of its own, but alien, but dead and still plunging forward.

Peta in Cumbria
July 6, 2016 2:22 am

Not an easy one to call…
Certainly ‘green’ companies set up to install sunshine panels, windmills, insulation etc etc seem to be failing and disappearing all the time..
this whole green thing has become a fantastic little earner for the Exchequer, esp. via arbitrary/exorbitant new taxes but also job creation thro legions of (Government) ‘workers’ to create new laws/regulations and thereafter to enforce them – plus of course legions of (private sector) workers to ensure they or their companies don’t fall foul of all that tedious garbage. Then all their cronies in the banking and legal systems have to take a slice.
That all adds up to more tax income, higher prices for almost everything and because everything is subject to ‘Value Added Tax’ the thing just snowballs. Plus of course fines and costs for the inevitable non compliances that are bound to occur.
They are not gonna let that drop very easily/quickly or probably ever in mine or yours lifetime.
Our current chancellor Osborne, in his scare mongering role announced that ‘tax will have to rise’
For the UK, he might as well have got off his lazy guilt ridden finger-wagging backside and announced that ‘fish can swim’

July 6, 2016 10:53 am

You may continue to have it all and in all aspects of the budget post Brexit, but you have to do banking like the Italians to get there.

July 6, 2016 10:55 am

When does the vote on green sanity come up?

July 7, 2016 12:35 am

As a basic guide to how wilfully incompetent the UK politicians have been since 1997, you might ponder on how long, realistically, it takes from deciding on a path of commissioning new power stations and actually generating the first useful amounts of energy from them. The answer is somewhere between 15 and 25 years, depending on the hoohahs caused by where they might be sited, what form of energy they might use etc etc.
The fact that the Labour Govt of 1997 to 2010 did not decide to commission one single new power station to replace aging ones tells you all you need to know about the politicians occupying ‘high office’ at that time.
France and China have reaped the benefits of this, getting ridiculous sweetheart deals to build new ones this decade.

July 7, 2016 5:27 pm

Brexit set to bash Brits but not bolster Trump: CNBC survey
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The U.K. economy will be negatively affected by the country’s vote to leave the EU, according to a new CNBC survey of chief financial officers (CFOs), with the results also suggesting the recent referendum will do little to boost the chances of Donald Trump becoming the next U.S. president.
Ninety-seven percent of global CFOs across a wide range of industries said that Brexit would have a “negative” or “very negative” impact on the U.K. economy over the next six months, with 81.8 percent stating the same for the economy of the European Union….”
This 97 percent again….

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