Newsbytes: Brexit Spells End Of Europe’s Climate Obsession Germany Starts Roll-Back Of Climate Policy

Britain’s exit dashes the European Union’s leadership ambitions on efforts to slow climate change, leaving the bloc on the sidelines while others endorse the global pact it championed to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Britain’s vote to leave the union has disrupted everyday affairs and probably displaced climate concerns as a political priority. It also removes one of the EU’s strongest voices in favour of emissions-cutting policies. —Reuters, 1 July 2016

Six months after the U.N. Climate Change Conference – or COP21 – in Paris, the German government is becoming less and less ambitious about implementing the results. It is caving in, especially in the dispute over the future of coal. –-Handelsblatt, 30 June 2016

Germany has abandoned plans to set out a timetable to exit coal-fired power production and scrapped C02 emissions reduction goals for individual sectors, according to the latest draft of an environment ministry document seen by Reuters on Wednesday. The new version, which was revised following consultation with the economy and energy ministry, has also deleted specific concrete C02 emissions savings targets for the energy, industry, transport and agriculture sectors. Reuters, 29 June 2016

By reducing the role of renewables in its energy mix, Poland could go beyond 80% dependence on coal for electricity production. The new bill adopted on Tuesday overhauls a system of green certificates that polluters must buy, while moving to create regulatory barriers for wind farms. In the short run, the new bill is a boon for a struggling coal mining industry. Poland is one of the biggest producers and consumers of coal in the EU 28, generating 80% of its electricity from the black staff. Being the world’s eighth largest producer of coal, Warsaw also has to consider the 100,000 jobs at stake. Brussels and Warsaw are heading for an inevitable standoff on energy policy. —New Europe, 30 June 2016

The UK agreed on Thursday to set a legally binding goal committing the country to steep cuts in carbon dioxide emissions designed to help ward off climate change. But in a sign of the uncertainties triggered by Britain’s vote to leave the EU, the move was dismissed as potentially “unlawful” by the think-tank founded by Nigel Lawson, the former Tory Chancellor and a member of the Leave campaign’s strategy committee.  Lord Lawson’s Global Warming Policy [Forum] said it was wrong for the government to set in law a fifth “carbon budget” committing the UK to cut emissions 57 per cent by 2032 from the levels of 1990. The goal was “based on the now incorrect assumption that the UK will still be in the EU by 2030”, the [Forum] said. –Pilita Clark, Financial Times, 1 July 2016

Climate scientists and advocates are worried that Britain’s exit from the Eurpean Union will complicate the process of ratifying the Paris Agreement and may install a government that will roll back crucial environmental policies and regulations. –Aidan Quigley, The Christian Science Monitor, 29 June 2016

Economics editor Daniel Wetzel at Germany’s center-right national daily Die Welt here writes that the Brexit may be the end of the Paris climate treaty and that it is a climate-political nightmare for the EU. –P Gosselin, No Tricks Zone, 30 June 2016

h/t to Dr. Benny Peiser, The GWPF

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July 1, 2016 6:36 am

The good news just keeps rolling in. My cup overfloweth.

Reply to  jsuther2013
July 1, 2016 8:30 am

Wow, Europe finally realised they have some REAL problems to take care of, like the lack of accountability and democratic deficit.
With the two major parties in a contest to out-do each other in terms of who is the most unready to govern and most unfit to run the country, this has been an exciting week.
With Cameron grabbing the headlines, giving the opposition a God-sent opportunity to bash the government and the ruling Conservative party, the opposition Labour party felt the need to grab defeat from the teeth of victory and descend into regicide and internal feuding as well.
Popcorn shares would be rocketing but the European commission banned the sales of ‘carcinogenic’ caramelised sugar used in its fabrication two years ago. [ OK, I made the last bit up 😉 ]

Santa Baby
Reply to  climategrog
July 1, 2016 11:16 pm

The real problem is marxism dressed up as answers to climate and environmental problems?

Reply to  jsuther2013
July 1, 2016 8:47 am

Except the day after the brexit vote Brookings’ Director of Metropolitanism globally, Bruce Katz, simply declared what has always been planned, that the cities would become the point of implementation, bypassing nationalism. The UN has even developed the term “glocal” to hype that the local is the best place for the UN agenda for economic and social justice to be invisibly implemented. CAGW is just a rationale, just like Equity and Inclusion mandates or the Skills Deficit hype.
Anyone unfamiliar with just how much of this agenda looks to the local instead of the nation-state or even regional superbodies should look at this.

Reply to  Robin
July 1, 2016 10:25 am

Robin, the local level includes the school system, the local city councils ( where nobody attends other than the “Greens” and so on. For a number of years I did some volunteering on an ” advisory” board that nobody listened to. It was frightening how the greens turned logical thinking people into puppets with the “sustainability” and “It’s for the future of our children” slogans. You are correct ( and a bit frightening) It is a rot that starts in the foundation not at the top.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Robin
July 1, 2016 1:53 pm

Pay attention to your local government. This has been going on for several years.
Mine has bought into it in spades.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Robin
July 1, 2016 2:02 pm

Well, I just clicked on the link I just just posted and it said it couldn’t be found. Curious.
The gist of the pdf file was that it traced local EMS (Environmental Management System) efforts from the USEPA to the UN.
And not in a “tracking a conspiracy” vein. It was all for it.

Reply to  Robin
July 1, 2016 2:38 pm

“You are correct ( and a bit frightening) It is a rot that starts in the foundation not at the top.”
I see no reason to think some “rotten” people at the top didn’t start it, with what the military guys call a “full spectrum dominance” approach. It seems to me grass roots sort “environmental” groups were infiltrated and eventually overrun by agents of the NWO/globalist/world government crowd. Much like I think “climate change” alarm didn’t spontaneously bubble up from the “common folk”, but was/is being instigated and shepherded among them . .

Reply to  Robin
July 1, 2016 4:31 pm

So sad the ‘it’s for the future of our children’ narrative doesn’t include concern for either the horrific costs piled up chasing this dream (borrowed money which will have to be paid back by the kids) or the substantial decline in living standards the kids will be consigned to.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  Robin
July 1, 2016 10:53 pm

Thank´s I haven´t been aware that United Nations are working directly with local governments.
“Figueres was alongside Energy Union Commissioner Maroš Šefčovič and business magnate Michael Bloomberg, who is also UN special envoy for cities and climate change, to launch the Global Covenant of Mayors.
The Covenant is the merger of the EU’s Global Covenant of Mayors and the US Compact of Mayors, two initiatives driving forward climate action at city level.
Bloomberg said, “From America’s point of view, the UK staying (in) the EU is a very positive thing for the world economy and world peace.”
No doubt that the activitsts in United Nations are making a coordinated effort to affect local government – a bit frightening.

Reply to  Robin
July 2, 2016 12:26 am

Yes, the Melbourne Australia Councils are well into it –
It has been on for more than a decade, started as ICLEI –
It is quite clean that it is masterminded by the UN in its Agenda 21 quest to form a One World Government.
The spooky thing is how much is being done with little or no publicity other than between councils.

Santa Baby
Reply to  jsuther2013
July 1, 2016 12:14 pm

It’s really marxism they have had enough of is it not?

Reply to  Santa Baby
July 1, 2016 12:43 pm

It is Marxism but it is not economic theory. It is Uncle Karl’s, as I call him, theory of the mind, Man as a Maker of History, and his Human Development Society template, that the UN entities, the glocal initiative, Metropolitanism, the OECD’s Great Transition, and Obama’s Fundamental Transformation are all intent on implementing. I ought to know I spent this morning reading the final wioa regulations issued yesterday. is a good intro to the Marxism that matters now. Be careful though, as I explained in my book, because Marism just loves to avoid using the M word. Most people cannot recognize it simply by the function of the political or social theory.

Reply to  Santa Baby
July 1, 2016 8:17 pm

‘Tis nothing in comparison. Despite the fallacy of UK Gov declaring the world’s first mandated reduction targets, Scottish Gov. had already enforced that all local authoritiy chief execs would sign up to the 2007 Scottish Climate Change Declaration. Despite already achieving so-called 2020 targets by early this year – amounting to some 0.3% of estimated man-made ghg emissions, the ‘decision’ has been taken to further increase the reduction required. Of the UK’s current 12GW wind capacity, two-thirds is Scottish based, at a tenth of the UK population with further expansion to come. For the best part of 80 years, Scotland via its progressive capable mix of generation types was a net exporter of valuable electricity; Last year, according to Neta, Scotland net imported over 43 days. FWIM, I voted out in the EU ref and Yes to independence. As recent press announces show, Scot’s fishermen and farmers want out. I’d be dumbfounded if, given the likely re-run independence vote, there was anything like the support given first time around. Take heed, Scottish Gov….

Alan the Brit
July 1, 2016 6:43 am

It truly is frightening how much taxpayers dosh is squandered on these eco/enviro groups. Just think of how much could be spent on worthwhile projects that really help people as opposed to hinder them!

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
Reply to  Alan the Brit
July 1, 2016 10:18 pm

We need to think in practical sense. As long as we put emphasis on theoritical sense we achieve less in protecting the environment. The best solution is reduction in power consumption in high tech activities; put a maratorium on urban growth that disproportionately increases the power consumption; change chemical input-GM agricultural technology in to organic-cooperative agriculture that not only reduces the wastage and associated waste of natural resources.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

July 1, 2016 6:44 am

the UN is next in the movement against bureaucratic control of democratic rights

Man Bearpig
July 1, 2016 6:45 am

It gets better …
Looks like the Greens tried to fix the vote in Austria where they won by 0.6% the courts have found discrepancies in the count and have ordered a new election.

Reply to  Man Bearpig
July 1, 2016 2:26 pm

That’s interesting, I hadn’t heard that mentioned elsewhere, mind you we Brits have been a bit preoccupied recently. The loser is keen to have a referendum on Europe so it will be interesting to see how this develops. The discrepancy in the result seems to have been due to postal votes which has also attracted a lot of criticism in the UK

UK Sceptic
July 1, 2016 6:45 am

Oh Noes! The Paris Climate BS is in jeopardy. My poor bleeding heart. Well actually it’s not bleeding but I’m bleeding well laughing my socks off. 😀

Reply to  UK Sceptic
July 1, 2016 9:28 am

Sock it to them.

Bryan A
Reply to  ShrNfr
July 1, 2016 12:16 pm

A Sock, Master has given Dobby a sock, Master has presented Dobby with clothes, Dobby is free.

July 1, 2016 6:50 am

Maybe at last UK scientists working in the climate field will start at last to heed the Royal Society’s motto: Nullius in verba (Take nobody’s word for it).

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Patrick
July 1, 2016 7:30 am

In the case of CRU maybe it should be “take nobody’s word for it, not even your own.” CRU funding is going to be hit heavily by this, so they may all be SOL anyway.

Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2016 7:03 am

It truly is amazing how quickly the bloom has come off the Paris Agreement Titan Arum.

Radoslaw Wisniewski
July 1, 2016 7:06 am

Poland should send Brussel an invoice for fertilizing rest of EU.
No more free riding on fossil fuel consumers cost.

Reply to  Radoslaw Wisniewski
July 1, 2016 12:29 pm

Hi R.W., – Brussels has counter-offered every Pole a lifetime supply of fresh Chruschiki cruller pastries instead of your suggestion. The un-elected technocrats declared it is for the sake of the children who will need powdery sugar to remind them what fallen snow looks like. Offer void in UK.

Patrick MJD
July 1, 2016 7:08 am

My immediate response is; be careful with what is reported in the MSM. IMO, not all appears as it seems.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 1, 2016 7:49 am

True, but as the MSM sides with the CAGW meme, anything that stands to harm it would be truthfully reported, or at least lied about as being a bad thing 😛

July 1, 2016 7:10 am

Perhaps Common Sense isn’t dead after all…

Ian W
July 1, 2016 7:14 am

Do not believe all you read. As E.M.Smith points out the trade treaties TTP, TTIP and CETA are trojan horses to bring in ‘green’ AGW rules by the back door. . This was probably the reaason for the fuss about BREXIT as unless the UK signs up individually to TTP or CETA, it will be outside the imposition of Paris rAGW legislation by the back door. One wondeers why the GOP establishment is so keen on these treaties and may try to push them through in the ‘lame duck’ session.

Eugene WR Gallun
July 1, 2016 7:20 am

Brexit is looking better and better! — Eugene WR Gallun

Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
July 1, 2016 7:44 am

Hillary and the demorats are looking worse and worse

Reply to  John piccirilli
July 1, 2016 4:07 pm

is that possible?

Steve Oregon
July 1, 2016 7:21 am

Germany Shuns Climate Gods

Tom Halla
July 1, 2016 7:33 am

It looks like undoing forty years of green policy will be slow, but if you’re in a hole, stop digging.

Roy Spencer
July 1, 2016 7:46 am

really, Reuters? C02?

July 1, 2016 7:47 am

So, it was never really about saving the earth after all?? I am shocked, shocked!!

July 1, 2016 7:48 am

Reblogged this on TheFlippinTruth.

July 1, 2016 7:55 am

Brexit was just the first domino in the setup called the Paris Agreement. This is the next. As each one falls, the remaining ones realize that they financial burden on them will increase proportionately. It won’t be long until there are not enough left standing to support the ‘accord’.

Reply to  tadchem
July 1, 2016 8:22 am

Yes, Tad – the way this unfolds will illustrate how the scheme was designed from the beginning.
Check out how this plan would work even if CO2 poses no harm:
first, the more dependent nations get money from the productive nations – no-brainer;
second: the producing nations have the ever-growing specter of retirement entitlements, and so desire secure investments for pension funds;
a stable, steady, secure, guaranteed industry is a safe bet;
three: it is well-known that if you get in on the “ground floor” of a new industry, you can reap wonderful returns;
Four: Combine second and three: if you perceive that an emerging industry is going to be a mainstay, then you get a two-fer;
Five: the scheme is this: as nations adopt green-investing commitments, one-by-one, they build the market, and build the pressure, and opportunity, for other nations to get in on the ground floor – sign up earlier rather than later to promote “green” activity and goals in your nation, and build the market, AND simultaneously throw your pension funds into “green”-managed funds NOW, at the ground floor, rather than later;
Six: Enter the sales pitch from a BIG MONEY green investment management fund: Generation Investment Management, LLC – expressedly devoted only to large investors, headed by – get this – Al Gore.
Seven: hit the “EASY” button: the commitment to go green may hurt your economy, but the return on your pension fund investment exceeds the loss.
It works whether CO2 causes global warming or not.
–For the economists, especially those of the Milton Friedman strain, you can see this: this is very similar to the “guild” model of the professions. It is also similar to credential/licensure/certification/accreditation schemes (professional licensure, facility accreditation such as Joint Commission, ISO 9000 certification, etc.): once a credentialing scheme hits a critical mass, it must be respected, whether it has any effect upon performance/quality or not.

Reply to  tadchem
July 1, 2016 9:16 am

Already the Germans are getting pissed off at their EU East Germany ruler.

Reply to  emsnews
July 1, 2016 3:35 pm

I think everyone’s getting pissed off at Green demands.

Mumbles McGuirck
July 1, 2016 7:56 am

Let’s hope this is a harbinger of the collapse of the CAGW conglomerate, but keep in mind there are still considerable financial interests in selling carbon catastrophe. They will not give in easily. Things will get nasty before they get better.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 1, 2016 11:36 am

The question really is whether or not they can pin the blame on the UK. It might be that a lot of people were fed up with the whole green scam and the green party too, but they couldn’t find a viable excuse to cite when implementing anything based on common sense and actual science. The Brexit whipping boy has already served several purposes, one being the relief that there seems to be a viable target of blame for any and everything corrective that must now be implemented before the whole economy is destroyed by silly green and carbon emission policies.

Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 1, 2016 11:42 am

I suspect much effort will be devoted to punishing the UK, attempting to set an example for the others. Τελευταία άνθρωπος έξω παρακαλώ γυρίστε τα φώτα
(Teleftaía ánthropos éxo parakaló gyríste ta fóta)

John Law
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 5, 2016 5:54 am

Very dangerous, the UK is economically strong, a nuclear power, with very good conventional capability and a has a large negative trade imbalance with the EU corpse. They will hurt more than us!

July 1, 2016 7:57 am

Minor typo – “Poland is one of the biggest producers and consumers of coal in the EU 28, generating 80% of its electricity from the black staff. ” (stuff).

Reply to  BobM
July 1, 2016 5:16 pm

Coal may be the black “staff of life”–cheap and reliable in contrast to the economy-killing alternatives which are being promoted to deal with an overhyped threat.

July 1, 2016 8:08 am

It may have to do more with business economics than anything. Once Germany got the “tipping point” (great phrase), I think they realized if they don’t get their energy costs under control, they just won’t be competitive in the global market. They already have higher than normal labor costs and they aren’t going down. They had to do something.

July 1, 2016 8:19 am

Not a good day for Al Gore

Reply to  Kiwikid
July 1, 2016 4:30 pm

All should remember that Enron Corporation was formed to trade “environmental credits”. Largely by allies of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. It has ALWAYS been about leftists stealing legally.
Most here will remember UN officials admitting AWG was about transferring wealth from the industrious to the collectivists.
Could be voters are catching on that things just don’t add up. In many countries.

Reply to  Kiwikid
July 1, 2016 11:41 pm

Or his daighter who was arrested for trespassing trying to stop a ng pipeline in boston

July 1, 2016 8:37 am

Ausfarhting has been banned due to methane emissions

July 1, 2016 8:42 am

Pull the Plug–Live Better

Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2016 8:47 am

The meltdown in Marrakesh in November should be fun to watch. Which reminds me, need more popcorn.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2016 9:30 am

I will send a truck load of saw dust to complete the circus

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Kiwikid
July 2, 2016 1:24 am

Chicken counting not in order yet. These people are nothing if not tenacious.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2016 10:52 am

I heard on the radio that Morocco banned plastic bags (or they want to ban, not sure, I was listening to it while having lunch with my family) for the upcoming meeting, which produced an angry demostration of 50000 workers who make their lives in the plastic bag industry.
And then I heard that over 100 (real) nobel laureates signed a press release or something against Greenpeace for its position agaist GMO. According to the radio, they argue that Greenpeace´s position is causing famine and death in some parts of the globe.
Then I checked whether it was the radio station I use to listen to. It was. I was amazed, not one but two antigreen pieces of news reported on the radio the same day. Must be the Brexit, or the local Spanish elections (Spaniard here) The polls failed wretchedly in both cases.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  urederra
July 1, 2016 11:43 am

Speaking of famine caused by stupid people and global climate models, did everyone hear there is a famine in Zimbabwe this year?
Climate forecasters said that this past maize season (ended April) was going to be ruined by drought caused by the El Nino phenomenon. It is not that farmers were not willing to plant food and take the risk, but that the banks, warned by the climate prognosticators, refused to make loans available in the usual way for financing crop production. This resulted in a very small planted area this season.
In fact the rainfall was adequate for growing (mostly maize) and it would have been fine, had the banks not cut off the financing. The inevitable result was a famine caused by the lack of finance.
Rain + no planting = no food.
Climate forecasters, add that to your ‘unprecedented record’ of accomplishments: artificial and unprecedented famines in the presence of willing farmers, unused land and adequate precipitation.
Maybe the hungry can satisfy their stomach pains by dining on a big bowl of Stupid.

Reply to  urederra
July 1, 2016 2:17 pm

I understand the bankers are plump…

Patrick MJD
Reply to  urederra
July 1, 2016 9:42 pm

“Crispin in Waterloo July 1, 2016 at 11:43 am”
There is rioting and fighting in Zimbabwe and towns at the border with South Africa have been burned to the ground. Lots of trouble there. Hardly surprising when bankers and politicians can spend $500 per day whereas most have to do with $1.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  urederra
July 2, 2016 1:25 am

They followed france. France banned plastic bags from 1/7/16. Started by Leclerc some 20 yrs ago now formally sanctioned.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 4, 2016 1:09 am

From the first article quoted: “The Paris Agreement will take effect once 55 nations responsible for 55 percent of man-made emissions ratify it. With India, China and the United States hastening to lock in their pledges this year, some experts predict that could even be by the next round of climate talks in November in Marrakesh.”
Exactly which meltdown are you referring to?

July 1, 2016 9:08 am

Even before Brexit Germany was facing problems with meeting its ambition to reduce CO2 by 40% (from 1990 levels) by 2020 according to the article in Notalot:
Apparently emissions rose in 2015 as a result partly of phasing out nuclear fuels and increased use of lignite. An 18% cut is required in the next 4-5 years to meet the schedule and given the flattening of the rate of drop in emissions (as illustrated in the article) this may be implausible .

Reply to  mikewaite
July 1, 2016 9:19 am

It is already impossible unless Germany cuts down all its industries! The Allies bombed Germany like crazy during WWII to stop production and still, didn’t do it as totally as what will happen now if Germany tries to go ‘super expensive energy’.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  emsnews
July 2, 2016 1:29 am

The germans aren’t stupid. They are moving the car manufacturing to the poorer regions of Europe and the cheaper energy regions of the world. That’s why Merkel’s stupidity of saying come one come all has been so damaging.
I have to laugh because all European big wigs are putting on a brave face but must be filling their pants right at this moment.

Brian H
Reply to  mikewaite
July 1, 2016 11:51 pm

Ruinous Run-ins With Reality. Blended floods of tears of laughter and sorrow!

Reply to  Brian H
July 2, 2016 12:30 am

Six months after the UN Climate Change COP 21, the German Guvuhmint’s
becoming less ambitious about implementing the results. Reality bites – Less
willing to cop the insanities of lemming- leap energy policies.

July 1, 2016 9:10 am

So, the stubborn little British bulldog bit this in the leg and lamed it!

Reply to  emsnews
July 1, 2016 8:30 pm


July 1, 2016 9:51 am

Here is another mega-shock for greens:
The Austrian court ruling overturns the knife-edge win on May 22 by Alexander Van der Bellen, an old green politician who beat Norbert Hofer of the anti-immigration Freedom Party (FPO) by some 30,000 votes after postal ballots were included.

July 1, 2016 10:03 am

germany potentially has other problems to deal with. Deutshe has a derivatives book of 75 trillion dollars, 20 x German GDP, hope that one does not blow like Lehmans who had a derivatives book half of Deutshe Banks.

Reply to  englandrichard
July 1, 2016 10:42 am

englandrichard, I believe that people are starting to realize that the Green agenda has finally been bitten in the a$$. And the the realization that it is not “sustainable” is doubly ironic! .
As far as the worlds economic debt is concerned? It is going to make the 1929 crash look like a Christmas party, I doubt people even realize the coming nightmare when they wake up.( someone mentioned they rather be paid in cans of beans rather than cash, great point I think it was Delingpole?)

Reply to  asybot
July 1, 2016 2:21 pm

Will accept beer for programming or wine for management duties…

Reply to  asybot
July 1, 2016 5:42 pm

E.M. , I think the hangover from the beer (or wine) might cover the financial hangover just right , although it’s going to take a lot of both!

Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2016 10:39 am

Now that Britain has Ausfahrted, maybe Germany can do likewise.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2016 10:45 am

Ausfahrted ! Love it just about “Ausfarthed” all over my key board!

July 1, 2016 11:32 am

Studiously ignored by the MSM everywhere, the Paris COP agreement was in fact killed off not by Brexit and its possible fallout, but by none other than India, which earlier this week officially announced that it has no intention of ratifying the agreement any time soon.
Since the Paris agreement legally hinges on having the US, China, India, Russia and the EU signed up, it’s toast, no matter what happens around Brexit.
And so climate crusader Obama got himself another black eye on his way out, on top of having his executive orders on immigration and banning fracking on public lands whacked in high level court rulings this week as well.

Retired Kit P
Reply to  tetris
July 1, 2016 11:58 am

Obama will not get a black eye.
When Bush did not get the Senate to ratify the Kyoto treaty, the greens blamed Bush. The greens blamed Bush for the 2000/2001 California energy crisis even though he was governor of Texas at the time.
My favorite was when Senator Clinton blamed POTUS Bush for making decisions her husband failed to make.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
July 1, 2016 7:01 pm

Retired Kit P
You’re missing the point – lost in petty US issues.
The black eye is international. A major chunk of Obama’s 8 year green crusade, the Paris COP agreement, went up in smoke [so to speak] because a developing country, India, said NO.

Retired Kit P
July 1, 2016 11:41 am

Many years ago I tried to figure out why some places used more nuclear than others. The answer is a vulnerable supply chain. It takes a huge amount of fossil fuel to make power. That is also a huge amount of money going someplace else.
For example, a few miles down the Columbia River is the coal plant at Boardman, Oregon. Coal comes by a daily mile long train from the other side of the Rocky Mountains. The Powder River Basin is over a 1000 miles away.
In my youth nuclear power was cool in the abstract. Many places got on the bandwagon. No coal, no gas, no oil, no choice. There were plans for more than 20 reactors in the PNW. So many places built a lot of nuke plants.
Think about this in the context of wind and solar which is cool to some in the abstract. When you have a fleet of nuke plants, you have to deal with the real problems which are far from abstract. I worked a lot of overtime fixing problems. There were some clowns who had no business running nuke plants.
There are two kinds of people. Those who make electricity and those who do not. There is a serious responsibility associated with providing power.
When there is a problems with nuclear power of coal, politician announce that they will close the plants taking credit for plants that were retiring already or plants that are in mothballs.
I am no longer surprised to see power plants closed by press release still making lots of power 20 years later.
Here is the deal. Most folks do not care where their electricity comes from. They care when it stops coming and they will get themselves some new politicians.
When rolling blackouts are no longer an abstraction, nuclear looks real good.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
July 1, 2016 2:49 pm

Robert Rapier to the courtesy phone!
Robert Rapier to the courtesy phone!

Retired Kit P
Reply to  HalfEmpty
July 1, 2016 6:56 pm

That’s funny!

July 1, 2016 11:58 am

The US has had better economic performance than the EU since the financial crisis. The difference has been the fracking revolution in the US versus the EU’s catastrophic energy policy. If Britain reverses its energy policy as a result of the Brexit vote, then Britain may well gain economically from withdrawing from the EU.

Reply to  leon0112
July 2, 2016 9:39 am

Fracking is not revolutionary, it has been the common well completion practice for over 60 years. Correctly stated horizontal drilling is revolutionary in the US as well as the world. Just saying.

Retired Kit P
July 1, 2016 12:09 pm

“Speaking of famine …”
What famine? American farmers and US Navy/Marines are happy to keep anyone from starving. I am sure that sentiment is shared by many other countries with food surpluses.
What we have is a surplus of corrupt government officials who find easier to control with food than bullets.

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Retired Kit P
July 1, 2016 12:36 pm

Thank you American Farmers.
America often gets disparaged for consuming more energy per capita than most other countries. I like to put this in perspective of American Farmers.
if America has about 5% of the world’s population, and if you accept that fewer than 1 in 5 Americans is a farmer then American Farmers make up less than 1% of the world population. American Farmers produce more than 75% of the world’s grain exports.

Retired Kit P
Reply to  Thomas Homer
July 1, 2016 7:23 pm

Wheat dust on the motorhome and boat. What about ‘dirty’ wheat?
Mountains of wheat at the grain elevators, barges of wheat going down the Columbia River. What about a beautiful sight.

July 1, 2016 12:43 pm

Why? Why the sudden exit from saving the world?

Reply to  Dan
July 1, 2016 1:05 pm

Because the fraud is not saving the world, it is making it more difficult to survive, period.

July 1, 2016 1:05 pm

From the article: “Climate scientists and advocates are worried that Britain’s exit from the Eurpean Union will complicate the process of ratifying the Paris Agreement ”
The agreement won’t be ratified by the U.S., and if Trump is elected, there won’t be any more money going to fund any of it.

July 1, 2016 1:24 pm

The low density “green” energy converters were poorly suited for general use and were large-scale disruptors of the environment throughout their operational life time. Although, perhaps between the maintenance and repairs, flora and fauna did manage to reclaim some green pastures.

July 1, 2016 1:45 pm
Reply to  Marcus
July 1, 2016 10:58 pm

The first man to be killed by a Californian robot, since Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

July 1, 2016 1:47 pm

So the Germans want everyone else to follow the script while they will go their own way.That about sums it up, and of course it will aid their economy while hurting any economy that falls for this rubbish of AGW and follows the diktats.

William Astley
July 1, 2016 1:51 pm

Recently country by country there has been the start of the political epiphany/awakening concerning the climate issue/non issue.
There is no CAGW problem to solve and regardless, the green scams do not work. Part of the reason for the epiphany is all of the developed countries have run out of borrowed money to spent. The developed countries are and will be forced to separate the idiotic waste of money items in their budgets from the real issues such as health care, national defense, infrastructure construction and repair, and so on.
There was a very recent paper from a Cambridge professor that concluded that it was impossible for economic (there is insufficient free GDP to purchase the green scams and the increase cost of energy if there was a massive ‘investment’ in green scams would cause a worldwide economic depression) and engineering reasons (energy input to construct the construct the green scams needs to be included in the calculations) significantly reduce total CO2 total emissions with the green scams. The greens scams fail as they are intermittent power sources so twice as much power generation equipment is required and due to the significant energy input that is required to construct the green scams.
The Cambridge professor noted that it was strange that no one had done the basic calculation which shows it is impossible to reduce total world anthropogenic CO2 emissions by more than around 20% using the green scams.
If anthropogenic CO2 emissions where truly an issue, the only solution would be Stalin like policies, such as forced population reduction (reduce the world population to around 500 million), banning of tourist air travel, banning single family homes, banning private auto ownership and so on.
The cult of CAGW created the Bern model of CO2 sources and sinks times to create the CO2 issue.
The Bern model assumes 25% of the anthropogenic CO2 remains in the atmosphere for ever and assumes a half life for the remaining CO2 of 200 years to create the CAGW issue. The actual half life of CO2 emissions based on decay of C14 from nuclear testing, is around 7 years.
The majority of the recent CO2 increase is due to the release of deep earth CH4 which explains why C13 variance in the atmosphere does not track anthropogenic CO2 emissions and why the increase in atmospheric CO2 does not track anthropogenic CO2 emissions.*

Brian H
Reply to  William Astley
July 2, 2016 12:03 am

Re: methane; it oxidizes in open atmosphere into CO2 and H2O. Gone in a few years, max.

July 1, 2016 2:37 pm

Here is an interesting turn of events. That close election in Austria earlier this year is being negated, and there will be anew vote taken…

Christopher Hanley
July 1, 2016 3:15 pm

“It ain’t over till it’s over …” (Yogi Berra), someone has to govern Britain, the political class are not going to give up so easily paraphrasing Brecht (about the East German uprising in 1953): “Would it not be easier in that case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?”.
I’ll bet that’s exactly what they will try to do.

Reply to  Christopher Hanley
July 1, 2016 9:09 pm

They’ve been doing that for decades. The point of open-door immigration is swing the vote.

Reply to  Sleepalot
July 1, 2016 11:01 pm

Except that what they didn’t appreciate – was that for every one left-supporting immigrant they created two new supporters of right wing extremism.
(My shoddy statistics are based on anecdotal evidence!!! And serve only a rhetorical purpose.)

July 1, 2016 4:58 pm

Anyone know where and how strongly Theresa May stands on “climate”?

Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 2, 2016 12:44 am

I have the impression that she has no strong thoughts on anything , the possible reason for her survival in Govt despite a conspicuous lack of success in responding to the commonly perceived immigration crisis .
By contrast one of the possible opponents , Andrea Leadsom , a Brexiter , has this entry in Wiki:
-“On 11 May 2015, Leadsom was appointed as Minister of State at the Department for Energy and Climate Change,[17] despite her previous opposition to wind farms and European Renewable energy targets.[18]”-
Hope that she wins. The men in the race are pathetic, either wimps or clowns.

July 1, 2016 5:02 pm

“…Poland is one of the biggest producers and consumers of coal in the EU 28, generating 80% of its electricity from the black staff. …”
It should be “black STUFF” , no?

Reply to  Janus100
July 1, 2016 8:06 pm

Well they have had a lot of immigration from across the Med and there are a lot of dumb whitefellas that don’t want us to touch the stuff.

July 1, 2016 5:53 pm

Brexit isn’t just the end of the EU’s fixation with climate, but probably the EU itself.

July 1, 2016 7:49 pm

What was all the hooha about again?
Just a tip Euroweenies. It’s like the weather.

Reply to  observa
July 1, 2016 8:19 pm

Yep. This was a great buy opportunity if you invest in stocks. I was just listening to NPR , who were lamenting the loss of trillions in the market last week (“We told you so!”). Now they “can’t believe how foolish people are with their money” by putting it into GBP’s and stocks when it’s obvious that the world economy is going to crash at any second because of Brexit. I am so tired of these idiots. They are going to be the reason Trump wins and that will be fun to watch. Save some cash for November, because stocks will be a bargain for a few days after the next “end of the world!”

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  chilemike
July 2, 2016 6:36 am

“The loss of trillions” which was promptly gained back in a weeks’ time.

Latimer Alder
Reply to  chilemike
July 2, 2016 10:47 am

UK FTSE100 trading now at its highest since last August.
Brexit is good for your wealth!

Nigel S
Reply to  chilemike
July 2, 2016 1:54 pm

And that despite the best efforts of; HMG, BoE, IMF, EU, BBC, POTUS, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all!
Some earlier propaganda is pretty startling too

michael hart
July 1, 2016 9:04 pm

I’ve always thought that the green totally twaddle was really just reflective of European politicians’ desire to completely avoid many, real, pressing problems of both Europe, and the World. The alarms are going off, but I’m not sure they’ve woken up yet.
Mixing my metaphors, there will be tears before bedtime.

Reply to  michael hart
July 2, 2016 11:59 am

I agree; I think this is an aspect that isn’t emphasized enough. It’s an exercise in evasion for our modern cossetted elite.

July 1, 2016 10:03 pm

Has anyone else picked up the undertone in that. Germany is concerned the UK, via Nigel Lawson has signed Germany into a tough policy while the UK exits and doesn’t have to meet it.

Johann Wundersamer
July 2, 2016 12:14 am….0…

Latimer Alder
July 2, 2016 12:16 am

If this really does bring to end the green obsession with ‘climate change’ as well as UK’s involvement with the failing EU political experiment, then I will be doubly proud of having organised and led the the brilliant team of Brexit campaigners in my town.
Win Win!

Johann Wundersamer
July 2, 2016 3:45 am
July 2, 2016 4:49 pm

Ausfahrt — is that one of the German towns that was going to acheive full employment by switching to bio gas production and worthless wind turbine power generation? Ausfahrt, Why do I think of bio gas and green energy.

Reply to  Zeke
July 2, 2016 8:11 pm


German for “exit”.

July 2, 2016 8:47 pm

Werner Brozek says,
German for “exit”.
I didn’t know that. Thank you.

July 4, 2016 3:45 am

Well, I am from Germany and I know about the whole ecological lot etc. from a different perspective (nuclear energy). I wouldn’t get to exited about this … And yes, “Ausfahrt” is german for “Exit”

July 4, 2016 4:58 am

The idea that Germany is abandoning its renewables policy is ridiculous – it just last month reformed its renewable plans to put them on a more realistic funding basis and clearly expects to meet its 2050 95% CO2 reduction targets… it just won’t come clean and set out a defined plan for shutting down coal. Its being signalling that for some time:
note from that it will shut down some small lignite plant and that coal continues to be unprofitable (only exporting coal generated power keeps coal power financially afloat – though trade union power preventing loss of power station jobs is also behind lack of plans to shut down german coal power stations …).
Here’s a (randomly selected) account of how Germany reformed things to keep from hitting its targets too early (and before the new north south HVDC links are ready in 2025)
Really, the GWPF are not reliable reporters on this – or notrickszone, notalotofpeople, etc

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