People send me stuff. Today, I’ve been given CEI’s response to the “emergency stay” that Ed Maibach filed (via his own attorney) last week that sought not only to prevent the release of new emails, but also sought to retroactively quash previous court rulings on April 22nd and May 13th, court decisions that released the first tranche of emails as we previously covered at WUWT here: BREAKING: #RICO20 Edward Maibach tries ’emergency stay’ to retroactively pull Shukla/George Mason University emails from view
Maibach’s original petition to stay included this statement:
CEI’s legal counsel considers the Maibach request for stay ridiculous, and filed a scathing response today:
They used some strong language, even going so far to label Maibach as a “legal gymnast”:
Further, not only do they show how Maibach’s argument is ridiculous, they call for sanctions against Maibach’s Attorney Shannon Beebe and the Spiggle Law Firm, effectively arguing that she is incompetent and has misled the court and made false claims about a scheduled legal hearing in court pleadings.
Some selected sections follow.
What a circus Edward Maibach has started.
Here are all the documents filed today (PDF), now part of the public record.
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“What a circus Edward Maibach has started.”
Yep.
And he is the chief clown.
Incompetence attracts company.
Yet another unqualified dope. You know what they say, when you cant DO you end up teaching.
Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach in universities.
“Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach,
teachbecome activists in universities.”There, fixed it for ya.
Ahh, sweet confirmation of the tried and true, old and venerated adage:
— “A students work for C students, B students teach!”
— So, I give you Heir Doctor Professor Maibach!
I read an article yesterday that students at Oberlin college have petitioned the administration to cancel mid-terms and guarantee that no student will get a grade below a ‘C’.
Seems that they have discovered that there aren’t enough hours in the day to be both political activists and students. So they want to just pretend to be students for a few semesters, but without loosing any credits along the way.
I think the original is sufficient:
Those who can, do.
Those who can’t do, teach.
Those who can’t teach, criticise.
I always heard it this way – “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach others to teach.” Any way you slice it, the taxpayers of Virginia and the students at GMU are not getting their money’s worth…
re: MarkW @ur momisugly 2:36 pm:
All those protests confused me at first, because I could not figure out how so many students were able to spend so much time pitching fits, especially in the middle of the day. If you take 4 or 5 classes that are 3-4 credits each, that is usually 12-16 hours of class time, plus 3 hours per lab if taking sciences. Then there is reading, studying, writing papers, doing assignments, writing lab reports… Once the demands for indulgences started, I realized that the “students” were just skipping class and not studying. It is not surprising that the AGW zealots are trying so hard to recruit at universities: those acolytes are already well-versed in expecting everyone else to change and go without, while their special snowflake selves get whatever they want.
Every one of my professors would have responded with a flat “no” or outright laughter if asked for such leniency. As well they should.
“Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach in universities.”
Might as well complete the tree: “Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach in universities. Those who can’t teach in Universities become civil servants. Those who can’t become civil servants, become politicians. Those who don’t become politicians still find a way to become rent-seekers.”
*grabs popcorn* I love watching a good legal thrashing in action.
Oh, yes. This is starting to get really interesting.
Sometimes learning what NOT to do is just as important as learning what to do. I’m sure his students are learning lots of things about “communication”.
When in a hole, stop digging?
“No”, says E-Mailbatch “not until I get to the bottom!”.
Maybe he thinks he can escape to China if he digs long enough…
He clearly does not remember/know much about most science, so he may well be unaware that the earth’s crust is not the only layer of the planet.
It’s millions of degrees down there!
Nigel S May 26, 2016 at 1:26 pm wrote: “It’s millions of degrees down there!”
Nigel, quit making fun of poor ole Al Gore. He got the Sun’s interior and surface temperatures confused. You’ll never let him live this down, will you. 🙂
Good one, Nigel.
TA,
Al Gore’s , Generation Investment Management, LLP, London, UK, owns 1,770,152 shares of Opower.
Opower is a company that does Behavioral Demand Response implementations for electric companies across North America including one in Ontario.
Uses behavioral programs to persuade customers to use less electricity by changing/altering their behavior.
People’s behavior has to be altered so they won’t consume as much electricity.
Gore cashing in through a company that alters people’s behavior to save the world!
Morally, he’s hit bottom already. When he picked his slimy, prevaricating, truth twisting occupation. He’s getting ready to break through to a new bottom that I’m not familiar with.
NASDAQ
Generation Investment Management LLP
Holds 39 positions including Opower.
http://www.nasdaq.com/quotes/institutional-portfolio/generation-investment-management-llp-733957 > Page 2
Opower itself has an interesting history if anyone wants to follow back to its founding.
Barbara May 26, 2016 at 7:10 pm wrote: “Gore cashing in through a company that alters people’s behavior to save the world!”
People like Gore think they know better than others, and think they have to educate the dumb yokels, so they fall into line.
I’ve been resisting what I would call my local electric company’s attempted intrusion into my life. I don’t know if Al Gore has anything to do with it or not.
My electric company wants me to register with them, and if I do so, then my electric rates will be lower by a certain amount if I use electriciy during the off-peak hours. The more electricity I arrange to use during off-peak hours (the laundry, for example), the more I save.
My question is if this is such a good program for everyone, why doesn’t the electric company just offer this reduction to all their customers, whether they register with the company or not. All they have to do is charge the lower rate during the off-peak hours, and advertise the fact to their customers. No paperwork or registration required.
I don’t know why they make such a push for this. They send out numerous letters asking you to join, which must cost them a lot of money. So far, registration is voluntary, and I have chosen not to register. This might make Al Gore angry. I’m not sure.
@ur momisugly TA, May 26, 2:36 pm, Off Topic, TA I send you a reply on the METI thread today, leave me a reply here ( or on that thread), thanks ( sorry to be of topic guys) I am following this debate as well. I am starting to wonder if the rep for Maibach just wants out of the case? Unless she is completely incompetent.
asybot May 26, 2016 at 9:53 pm: “@ur momisugly TA, May 26, 2:36 pm, Off Topic, TA I send you a reply on the METI thread today, leave me a reply here ( or on that thread),”
I can’t seem to locate the “Meti” thread, asybot. I will be happy to communicate with you but need to know the subject.
Do you have a link to the Meti thread? I don’t usually keep these threads active in my browser for more than about 24 to 36 hours.
TA,
There is more than one company that does these kinds of programs. Ask your local utility.
It’s the issue of behavioral modification that’s important!
TA,
TD World/Transmission & Distribution, Jan.13, 2016
‘Opower Demand Response Delivers Strong Results for Utilities’
“Opower has announced new results from a series of Behavioral Demand Response implementations at utilities across North America.”
http://www.tdworld.com/demand-response/opower-demand-response-delivers-strong-results-utilities
@ur momisugly TA May 27 9 44 am, here is the link ( it was on WUWT around May 20) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/20/the-morality-of-meti-should-we-broadcast-to-let-aliens-know-were-here/comment-page-1 I do not know if Anthony gives out e-mail addresses but if you want to ask him for mine you have my permission to get it, if you want I could leave it here but I will only do that if Anthony will not. I’ll see if you are other recent threads to leave this same message if I don’t get an answer here.
TA,
Navigant Research
‘May Comes in Like A Lion for Demand-Side Management’, May 11, 2016
Article mentions other companies also engaged in the demand-side management business.
http://www.navigantresearch.com/tag/demand-side-management
asybot May 27, 2016 at 2:02 pm wrote: “@ur momisugly TA May 27 9 44 am, here is the link ( it was on WUWT around May 20) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/20/the-morality-of-meti-should-we-broadcast-to-let-aliens-know-were-here/comment-page-1 I do not know if Anthony gives out e-mail addresses but if you want to ask him for mine you have my permission to get it, if you want I could leave it here but I will only do that if Anthony will not. I’ll see if you are other recent threads to leave this same message if I don’t get an answer here.”
I left a reply to you in the Meti thread, asybot.
Anthony is probably busy, so I’ll just give you this email address where you can contact me. I don’t check this account often, so give me a heads-up if you send me an email. toma201862ATaol.com
Thanks, Barbara for those “Demand Response” links.
I guess I’m not the only one that is being lobbied about using electricity during the off-peak hours.
TA,
Our Energy Policy . com, March 17, 2016
Has link to:
“The Smart Grid and the Promise of Demand-Side Management”
McKinsey & Company, July 2010
Exhibit 2
“Successful demand-side management”
Incentives include:
“Supplies separate check to encourage behavior change.”
http://www.ourenergy.org/the-smart-grid-and-the-promise-of-demand-side-management
Many may not be aware of this.
Correction: http://www.ourenergypolicy.org/the-smart-grid-and-the-promise-of-demand-side-management
@ur momisugly TA e-mail sent.
I’ve had the misfortune to need to read a number of legal pleadings in my life.
The language in these is downright harsh.
It is interesting to see how these climate clowns (who want to RICO skeptics for exercising free speech) react in a judicial setting.
It seems like they hired counsel with a skill level that matches their own.
I wonder how many lawyers refused to work for them before they found one incompetant enough.
You are very harsh. After all, she now grows drought-tolerant houseplants.
Just by the increased CO2 levels alone.
Council plays the hand dealt by the client and bets and takes the clients money. Council has nothing to lose unless sanctions are at risk, which are far too rarely applied with effect.
The proper term is “counsel”. And I wonder, do women lawyers sign their names with the sobriquet “Esquire”?
Er. Mayber “sobriquet” isn’t exactly right, either, except in the broader sense. Maybe “honorific” would have been better.
Jim B, JD, Esq.
Ha! Maybe his lawyers ” modelled” his case to get the desired outcome! Still scratching their heads over the hockey stick shape.
What a surprise that she resorted to defamation of the petitioner’s character (…not).
That seems to be the politically correct response these days.
And this guy is in charge of teaching people how to communicate climate change to people? Seems it would be hard to find a worse choice. Yikes.
Yeah, but he is an “expert”. Maybe he do speak more better than we does.
I rather expect he would cover himself with do do if he do.
Expert = drip under pressure.
OSD
Ex – has-been
Spurt – your drip under pressure.
Auto
Oldseadog: that would be “former drip under pressure”. At the moment “all wet” would cover the case.
Auto, thanks for that explanation I have wondered what a pert was, now I know what an expert truly is.
Another school off my daughters lists. Well, not really on in the 1st place.
Good place to learn beer and cheese facts.
Legend, he may be in charge of teaching how to communicate climate change, but remember he is a social scientist and can only repeat what he has heard.
Good point! He has to have real science explained to him with small words and big pictures!
Guess someone used big words and small pictures.
You kind of wonder what world academics live in. I think after a while they actually do believe all the bulls**t they put out and just can’t believe anyone (of their supposed intelligence) would question them or their beliefs.
And never once considering their emails might be made public? At least I would have set up a bunch of oddball gmail accounts and done all this offline.
Any who, welcome to the real world Edward Maibach. As my favorite cartoon character would say: “What a maroon!”
They do believe, they do! Not long ago they took a cruise to Antarctica. I wonder who paid the bill for the rescue. Don’t go hiking without insurance.
Liberalism is a neurologic disease characterized by an inability to differentiate fact from fiction. With thoughts of grandeur and megalomania thrown in for good measure. Kind of like Schizophrenia on steroids, only worse!
I know what you mean, but, sad to say, that phrase is a racial slur. Look up the etymology of the word.
Huh. I would think being called a “Maroon” would be something of a compliment, seeing as the Maroons successfully fought the British in the 1700s (twice!). Things I learn. I always figured it was just a play on words, moron/maroon, and meant to poke fun at both parties (in the cartoon).
One of the disadvantages of growing up in a household where no one used slurs is not actually knowing what words are slurs. I figured out the “obvious” ones through context (older books, period films, etc.), but I continue to learn about apparent slurs even now that I am in my thirties. Some of them are so obscure I wonder if they really are slurs. Others are so strange I am more likely to laugh at the word than be “shocked” at the offense. Can something be a slur if it is so stupid it exposes the idiocy of the user?
“Maroon” is a jocular mispronunciation of “moron.”
Ehhhh, what’s up Doc?
As mispronounced by Mel Blanc for one my favorite characters too.
rbabcock wrote: “You kind of wonder what world academics live in. I think after a while they actually do believe all the bulls**t they put out and just can’t believe anyone (of their supposed intelligence) would question them or their beliefs.
And never once considering their emails might be made public?”
They are True Believers on a noble cause. How could their emails get them in trouble when they are trying to do the right thing and save the world, they think.
Then they found out “whoops” their emails *could* get them in trouble. They are thoroughly discombobulated now.
(y) 11+ 🙂
Hasn’t Shukla been very quiet? Maibach has taken all the heat, but little of the cash.
This is using the court for theatre – the points made are nothing to do with the case, but are designed to look good in newspaper reports.
That point ought to be made to the Court. I’m guessing that it will take a poor view of counsel trying to use the court for ulterior motives…
Edward’s parents must have never read Proverbs, Aesop’s fables, etc. to him. Failure at important cultural information transmission. I fear this failure is widespread.
for example:
“Play with Fire, you might get burned”.
and
the story of: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Greg,
Those who live in grass houses should not stow thrones.
Auto, impassively
t least, not until they’re wearing grass skirts and shirt and collecting more grass for fire.
Beggars can’t be choosers,
and chiggers can’t be boozers.
-B. Kliban
With Maibach now the jester, keep your eye on the real thieves…
Maibach would not be the first jester thinking he could do no wrong because the ruler likes his tune.
He may find soon there is no ruler, only the coldblooded bosses of several syndicates.
“Look, why take a chance?”
I guess CEI learned their lesson after letting Gleick off the hook. Compassion, or whatever it was that stopped CEI from slamming Gleick over felonious acts didn’t profit them an iota. Now they are rightfully slapping these (ignorant and dangerous) stooges down without mercy.
Even the idiocy of someone BEING a professor of global warming communication strategy is a result of the total collapse of academic standards that is going to need millions of person-years to straighten out. It’s like being a professor of phlogiston dynamics or Martian canal hydraulics. Global warming is verging on extinction. The ARC Centre of Excellence in Climate Science in Australia can stop trying to catch up with smarter lost Emperor Penguins who keep giving them the slip, and 350 global warming PhDs chopped from the CSIRO can settle in with their new insurance sales and bank teller jobs. The lukewarmers are becoming the far-out crowd and I notice these once ‘sensible’ folks are getting testier and testier, too.
Probably the cheapest and most efficient way to clean up the impossibly suffocating flotsam and jetsam of a disintegrated, activist, empty headed, worldwide academia is to create brand new universities and institutes with deeply edited down lists of disciplines and brand new learned journals with strict high standards that 80% of current academics would be unable to meet, and let the rest either fix themselves or go down the drain. No, from now on, give no quarter to the pandemic of feckless fools that are choking up civilization. The changing political tide doesn’t augur well for the academogoguery that temporarily took over the world for a few decades.
+7
The AGW activists need to forcefully demand that all US engineering schools start developing more-energy-efficient and sustainable orgone boxes, funded by taxpayer $$.
The DOJ let Gleick off the hook. That was criminal in it’s own right, I swear it was!
Please lets see what happens in the days after Trump takes office.
How many Dems will go to jail / I say 100 political; appointees!? PPLLEEAASSEE
Yes, it was primarily DoJ that should have prosecuted Gleick. It is fairly obvious that he got a free ride for political reasons.
I’m sure that CEI took good legal soundings before deciding whether to take out a civil suit and probably concluded that the case would be rigged by a “suitable” judge being appointed. That there were too many vested interests running against them. That’s my reading of it.
That, and I don’t think CEI suffered any real loss.
Typical tactic and failure of green plans, though.
DOH!!!!
Things are looking up, but can’t rest yet. If Dems retain WH, all the progress made against the CAGW scam can get unraveled pretty fast. We CANNOT let that happen!
To the best of my knowledge, it was the Heartland Institute – not CEI – that was the target of the Gleickenschpiel. See, for example: Gleick and the green factor$
@ur momisugly Gary Pearce, 9:51 am thank you for that. We thankfully have a vocational “College” in our area that is second to none. I would hire any of their trades graduates in a heartbeat. I have read some of their exams and actual work they have to deliver before getting their tickets. Very up to date and complete!
We’ve conflated education and intelligence.
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2016/03/arrogant-ignorance-of-the-well-educated.html
I propose that we take up a collection and fund some more shovels for this guy. I mean, he would really dig it.
The statements in the sanctions portion seem very clear that not only is he a clown but has somehow found a law firm to paint themselves as one as well!
Schadenfreude exemplified.
Surely they can’t sanction his attorney, ‘cos she’s quite cute so it isn’t fair ;(
http://www.spigglelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/member-1.jpg
Looks have nothing to do with it, the most attractive woman I’ve ever met is know to have had lessons with the Devil in “How to be Evil.” What we do not know is how much she charged the Devil to teach those lessons.
I believe my ex may have audited that class.
Gee Mark, didn’t your dad ever tell you that after a couple of drinks even the most impish become devilishly attractive. The attractiveness is directly proportional to the amount of alcohol consumed.
Beer goggles
Besides, she’s in her safe space so you can’t throw a bunch of triggers at her.
I wonder how many participation awards she’s earned?
She can’t be smiling as much after reading the CEI reply filing.
Learning on the job is a tough way to do it; but we all learned much of our occupations that way.
She’s probably a decent lawyer but her experience is employment law. Her idiot client dragged her into the deep end and his employer won’t throw him a lifeline. She’s out of her depth.
She’ll be smiling even less after she reads the courts response to her filing, which came out today.
Perhaps she could select a champion from among the ranks of the Alarmists to defend her honour in a duel with the champion of the Deniers, whoever that may be!
Reading the linked docs in full… CEI’s lawyers seem to be right on top of this, so far.
I would hate to have any of those accusations leveled at me. It was a bit painful to read. On the other hand, going to court is more of a crap shoot than most people realize. We’ll see how this turns out.
The company I retired from has always blocked all “WebMail” services on their internet services. The IT manager claimed that if supenied for all “email” on a topic originating by employees for a lawsuit they would have to include email originating inside the company and transmitted via the webmail server. As they had no way to collect it, they blocked it.
This is pretty much standard operating procedure. Most companies will want to track what their employees are doing on company time, and since external emails typically aren’t copied/saved to the company servers they’re often blocked. It also blocks potential infection vectors for malware since the majority of people in any company (except tech firms) are going to be largely illiterate when it comes to information security.
We had a secretary/receptionist who opened the same infected email three days in a row.
It happens inside tech companies too.
And usually because someone thinks the IT department has secured stuff so well, they don’t have to think about security.
Maybe if the Internet connected host didn’t have access to the internal stuff… but in the contrary, clueless companies insist that the same browser used for highly sensitive internal stuff must be used to browse the open Internet… morons! That Mozilla Firefox couldn’t run your crappy ActiveX widgets is plus! That Mozilla can’t parse the HTML emitted by your IE 6 oriented internal HTTP server is a plus!
You could even put a Firefox firewall at the application level so that it couldn’t access the internal websites. But no. Vulnerability by design and computer insecurity is essential to banking, apparently. And I can barely get people working in a bank to admit they have serious security issues at so many levels.
Not a lot of use in the days of the smart phone capable of sending emails over 3G/4G digital networks.
Most in my place of work have a personal phone and a work phone. They did try blocking web mail for a while but gave up when it realised that it did not stop people writing private emails, and it took them longer to write on a phone virtual keyboard than a real one – thus wasting more time!
This isn’t an issue of time, but one of record retention. An email sent as part of your employment is an official document that can be discoverable in any legal matter. Not keeping such records might not be illegal (unless you work for the government), but it looks very bad if you can’t produce the records in court.
If you do it during work time on your private account on a computer given to you by your company, is it “part of your employment”?
This may well be the beginning of the end of Liberal Terrorizing of Conservatives (actually Republicans!) for ALL Climate Issues. And may well begin the exposition of ALL CAGW Lies and the associated criminal behavior(s) by MANY In the most ironic of ways!
Does Sheldon Whitehouse fit in amongst the RICO20 somewhere?!?
Also, Is it possible to see what FOIA’s have been requested for a given Senator?
I’m not sure about it being the beginning of the end, but it sure is entertaining. Lets see what the judge says and remember Han Solo’s advice: “don’t get cocky kid.” I think Meibach failed to pay attention to this advice in a major way. His counsel may be simply inexperienced or have gone to a substandard law school. Rule number one in litigation is “don’t make the judge mad.”
Thank You ALL! To quote the judge (Napolitano) FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!!!
This is pure theatre, the irony in this spectacle tastes absolutely delicious. You literally could not have written the script. In my mind, it is like a knowall being run over by his own car, after failing to put the brake on. In my imagination, he has opened the boot/trunk and lifted two large bags of shopping. You can make up the rest.