Did the Paris Agreement Effectively Dismantle the Climate Movement?

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Aussie academic David Holmes, of the University of Melbourne, suggests that Politicians are using the Paris Agreement to defuse climate concerns, by claiming Paris “solved” the climate crisis – and he’s not happy about it.

Why has climate change disappeared from the Australian election radar?

Two weeks into a protracted election campaign, it is looking ever-more likely that climate change is to be placed way down the order of business – at least for the major parties.

Apparently, climate is less important than jobs and growth – or, in Labor’s case, health and schools.

A big part of this change in political climates is undoubtedly the Paris summit itself. The political triumphalism of the summit belies the scientific pessimism of so many climate scientists and activists.

Kevin Anderson from Manchester University’s Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research even declared the summit to be “worse that Copenhagen”, in that it is based on out-of-date science, does not include aviation and shipping, and includes negative emissions in its scenarios for achieving abatement.

On the other hand, after the collapse of talks at Copenhagen, some activists see no choice but to climb aboard with the Paris agreement, insofar as it at least signifies a mainstream seachange in action – even if the actual measures are inadequate. The INDCs that came out of the conference still put the world on a path to 3.5℃.

Yet so many politicians from around the globe have sought to convince their constituents that the climate problem is all but solved. The Coalition is banking on such a sell to the Australian electorate as it gambles with a climate attention minimisation strategy.

Read more: https://theconversation.com/why-has-climate-change-disappeared-from-the-australian-election-radar-59809

Former NASA GIS Chairman James Hansen claimed last year that the Paris climate talks were a fraud. Who knows, perhaps that was the intention all along.

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94 thoughts on “Did the Paris Agreement Effectively Dismantle the Climate Movement?

    • The real problem is that we have a Marxist infection in our Western environment and climate “science”?

      • Now that the Models are predicting a 3.5C increase thanks to the Pairs Butt Wipe, and we all know that this is a fair order of magnitude too high. When the actual results come in over the next 80 years they can claim victory that it was only 1.2C for the century “and we all owe it to Pairs” even though Paris will do nothing in the long run as we would have about 1.2C with or without it.

    • Yes, but wasn’t it nice to see that Hansen called the conference a fraud? How could it not be since it was based on fraud to start with?

    • Emperor Obama declared victory. He declared that by doing what they did (or didn’t do) the world was saved! He MUST be believed for he is Obama and he has a real peace [piece?] prize. Let there be no doubt! [sarc for those not yet trained]

  1. Well I’ve certainly been known to use ‘Shut up about climate, will you. It was all sorted out in Paris’.

  2. Hoist on their own petard.

    They felt it necessary to claim that the Paris agreement was a huge victory.
    Now they find that their troops want to declare victory and go home.

  3. Declare a fake emergency, declare a fake resolution to the fake emergency, move on to the next talking point. Sounds pretty much like politics as usual.

  4. Let us not underestimate the power of climate alarmism to scare the public half to death using normal and natural weather occurrences. After all, it has the MSM on its side.

    • “The Public” so easily scared by ordinary weather is that overly urban, hothouse-flower cohort who’ve never really spent any time outside. Never raised an animal, never planted and harvested crops, hell, never even gotten naturally dirty. “Nature” is something pretty-pretty, “as seen on TV,” commonly confused with Disney-movie versions of reality. “Ecosystem” is a theoretical construct, therefore how can we even expect them to understand that plants need CO2 to grow, forest fires are part of nature which some trees require to propagate, or that animals, plants and people can VERY EASILY and painlessly adapt to minor “climate” changes?

      These over-intellectualized bozos need to be challenged by EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US to go be as “green” as they preach–don’t fly, don’t drive, don’t eat any food you didn’t raise yourself without recourse to modern pesticides, machines, and tools. We’ll see how long they last.

      People who DO have genuine work experience in the outdoor, natural world are not so easily hoodwinked.

      • Don’t forget:, throw your Main Breakers and shut off your CO2 polluting Gas supplies. Oh , and if CO2 is your perceived problem source, don’t burn any wood either as it also produces your Boogie-man gas and install CO2 scrubbers on your mouths and CH4 scrubber plugs on your arses

      • Goldrider; these would be the sort of people I witnessed at Yellowstone Park trying to get too close to the Bison. Not having read the warnings that Bison attack people every year when the poor animals get a smartphone shoved in their face.

        We’re talking about the sort of people who kidnap a Bison calf because they ‘think’ (Thought is not what I’d call it) it is ‘too cold’ or pose for ‘selfies’ with wild animals. The kind who should be in receipt of Darwin awards before they can pollute the gene pool.

        As for ‘over intellectualized’, I’d posit that there’s nothing remotely intellectual about the way such people behave.

      • Bill; we used to have t-shirts at one of the shops in downtown Jackson (just S. of Yellowstone) that read something to the effect “Let your kids pet the Buffalo, pass on blind corners, Teton County EMT thanks you for your support!”

        It’s really amazing what some of these people will do when you let them out of their cage and expose them to nature…


      • Every tourist hopes to capture the ultimate holiday snap – but this daring traveller took it to another level by posing with a wild crocodile.
        Kristina Smith, 25, travelled to a sacred spot in the upper east region of Paga, Ghana, for the nerve-wracking croc photo-op.
        The young explorer from Ottawa, Canada, heard about the secretive location through locals while on holiday in the region.
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3596306/Is-dangerous-holiday-snap-Tourist-crouches-wild-CROCODILE-pose-camera.html

    • Exactly. Most leaders are Believers. They will use the Agreement as a justification to impose even stricter measure to fight climate change. it has already started here in Canada, following the election of a Believer. The Warmists are still winning, even though the Paris Agreement is an empty shell.

      Diffusion of the skeptics’ arguments in the general public remains weak.

      • I’m not sure ALL leaders are believers. Those who need/want to be re-elected have figured out the purpose is to de-industrialize the west, and that takes job-killing, growth-stunting measures that get politicians thrown out of office.

      • Well, not ALL leaders are believers. Those who need/want to be re-elected now realize the clobal warming measures will result in loss of jobs and stunted growth, and that’s not a winning platform. Imagine – climate change skeptics’ best allies are craven politicians!

  5. After an early start by Labour to “make Climate Change” on of their key commitments, very little has been said by either party thankfully.
    A few years ago, Labour hopeful Julia Gillard promised that she would never introduce a Carbon Tax & then once ensconced as Pm promptly introduced one. This then saw the country vote out Labour ASAP.
    The country went for Tony Abbott and the Liberals who acted quickly to repeal the tax. The Australian people could be proud of their stand against this stupid tax.
    Unfortunately, the Greens are like a cancer, hard to get it all out once the tentacles have spread. The Greens have long been a problem in the Senate.
    We can only hope that with the forthcoming Federal Election, the influence of smaller parties in the Senate will be eliminated, the Liberals are re-elected and we can minimise our wasted money on this nonsense.

    • It isn’t that simple to get rid of these fringe groups. It’s a double-dissolution, so the quota to be elected is halved. This will see several of the same fringe groups getting back in. Probably enough that they will still hold the balance of power with the Greens.

    • Turnbull is a rabid carbon tax supporter, well he and his mates at the top end of town. I see the political pantomime that started with Rudd in 2007 to continue. Unusually for an election year, I have had so many calls for contract work, I think companies are killing whatever budget they have before the next financial year as it might be a bit rough for Australian businesses in the coming years.

  6. It somehow makes me reassured that Aussie politics is as confused and contentious as US politics. Either Paris did something, or it did not. It just gets silly when someone insists on both at once.

  7. Ask former PM Julia Gillard what happens when the public focuses on so-called “climate change”. The climate hype fanatics actually believe their own bs.

      • Yeah, once they start runnin’ around in circles biting at themselves, it’s close to being all over . . . ;-)

  8. If solved equates to the transition from agitation phase to some kind of policy phase, then I suppose all the agitator community would be upset. The most upset would be those having nothing else to offer. That would be equivalent to a few soldiers or generals being unhappy with a war ending.

  9. Disappointed that it “…does not include aviation and shipping…”? Does he realize how difficult it is going to be for him to ride a horse from Paris to Melbourne?

    • @Auto , 2: 11 pm, on one horse? These guys don’t even understand the support system that would require to get there. That is the whole problem with these people, they have this notion it can all be “fixed” with one swoop of a “pen and a phone”. They truly do not have a clue!

      • I guess, we’re asked to try on one bicycle…

        Meanwhile Kevin Anderson can’t help and continue to ride planes in order to get everywhere and explain why we better ride bicycles or horses.

  10. ” ….. based on out of date science …… ”
    Well, Kevin Anderson got that bit right.

    • Anderson is an extreme warmist, he is a mathematician and a former marine engineer, in 2005 he was pushing for personal “carbon” credit cards, with everyone given a personal allowance.

      http://www.manchester.ac.uk/research/Kevin.anderson/

      “He is Deputy Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and is research active with recent publications in Royal Society journals and Nature. He engages widely across all tiers of government; from reporting on aviation-related emissions to the EU Parliament, advising the Prime Minister’s office on Carbon Trading and having contributed to the development of the UK’s Climate Change Act.”

      Kevin has a decade of industrial experience, principally in the petrochemical industry. He sits as commissioner on the Welsh Government’s Climate Change Commission and is a Director of Greenstone Carbon Management.”

      Note:
      “advising the Prime Minister’s office on Carbon Trading” and “Director of Greenstone Carbon Management.”

      Conflict of interest? Don’t know what you mean, Your Honour.

    • It’s tougher messaging though, what with bathroom rights and all to compete with.

      • All are nothing but smokescreen issues to try and bury the REAL STORY–that nearly all Americans are madder than hell about the stagnant economy, and fed up with the status quo that seeks to elevate manufactured activist “outrage” into an actual “issue.” They are failing.

      • That’s pretty much self-correcting (bathroom rights that is). The fist time they catch a 16 year old dressed up like one of the Spiders From Mars having a wank in the girls locker room it will be all over…

      • I doubt it.
        If they have a legal right to be there, you can only punish those that break a law.
        I wonder what those of you men in other parts of the world will do when a group of teenage Muslim males legally walk into the ladies room while your 12 yo infidel daughter is in there changing clothes?
        I think I know what would happen in Texas.
        What if it were to happen England or NSW?

  11. “The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” (Robert A. Heinlein)
    If you want to control other people, ‘climate change’ can be a great tool: “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” (H.L. Mencken)
    If, however, you are one of those successful autocrats who has already achieved control of one’s own people, one suddenly becomes quite sensitive to any effort of other people to control one.
    The Paris agreement provides a PR narrative one can use to convince one’s subjects that one actually has accomplished something, and thus cash in on the hobgoblin, but it cannot be implemented locally without forfeiting some of one’s sovereignty, which one is not about to do.

    • Climate change is one such tool–“health” is another. Trying to convince the entire world that it’s a biological imperative to starve themselves to an unnatural emaciation, eat unsuitable foods (kale much? humans can’t digest cellulose!) and run themselves to metabolic exhaustion as a status symbol competition takes up much of the “1%’s” time these days . . . and is also 100% scientifically without merit.

      • @ Gold rider, we may not be able to digest parts of Kale but the minerals we can digest are actually very good for you ( even cattle/horses do not digest all cellulose btw)

      • If one eats a normal, healthy diet and has a normal, healthy digestive system, one will take up an adequate amount of vitamins and minerals. All the “extra” one gets is sorted into pee and poop! Perhaps very healthy pee and poop, but not of any benefit to the person who bought and ate the extra goodies.

  12. it is based on out-of-date science………….still put the world on a path to 3.5℃.

  13. The INDCs that came out of the conference still put the world on a path to 3.5℃.

    That’s a made-up number. No-one really knows which way or by how much the unfiddled-with global average temperature will have changed by 2100, although by 2098 or 2099 we might have a good guess for 2100.

    Heck! No-one really knows what the price of Camembert will be in Paris by 2100, assuming Paris is still standing.

    • ISIS may declare that the Eiffel tower and Arc de Triumph are idols and insist on dynamiting both of them.

      • Now that you mention it, I’d be pretty sure those monuments are on the list somewhere, MarkW. Throw in the Louvre with all those lewd, pagan artworks and don’t forget the infidels’ Notre Dame Cathedral.

        But we still won’t be able to predict the price of cheese in 84 years. For all we know the GMO gang will cross a goat with an apricot tree and brie will grow on trees ;o)

  14. The revenue and control problems were solved. The cause and activists are no longer needed.

  15. Do not be fooled by the silence in the Australian election about climate change.

    Shorten has promised a price on carbon that would destroy the economy…

    And for some reason, nobody is trying to nail Turnbull down to a “No price of any sort” on carbon, yet it is known that he still favours an ETS, and many suspect that he will bring one in after the election if he can.

    Turnbull REALLY NEEDS TO BE NAILED DOWN ON THIS ISSUE.

  16. Don’t be fooled! The global warming “problem” disappears off the radar because the politicians KNOW it’s unpopular. In the US, didn’t Obummer give the “let’s get frakking” cry just before he was voted in for the second time? Everyone thought he was having a change of heart, but the moment he was in Global Warming was right back up there at the head of all “problems”.

    In Australia, we had Gillard announce that there would never be a carbon tax under her government. Until she got in. Her party still won’t let it go, even after being booted out, although they don’t like it to be public knowledge.

    The politicians of today just want to get in, then they do what they want, including change their minds, their policies and their promises.

    The game continues. They are playing us for fools.

  17. Everybody talks about the climate, but nobody ever seems to do anything about it. Tsk tsk.

  18. I couldn’t get past this: “Apparently, climate is less important than jobs and growth – or, …health and schools.”. Apparently? It’s too bad David doesn’t share some of the same investigative skills (or how about common sense?) as the well-known Sherlock.

  19. On to more important things! …. like which bathroom 0.04% of the population is going to p|ss in.

    Ghads.

    It’s all a big SQUIRREL!!!

    Pay no attention to the crushing $20,000,000,000,000 of national debit.
    It took 220 years to amass the first $10T and only 7 years for Obama too add another $10T.

    That’s $65,000 for every man, woman, and child in the US of A.

  20. “Why has climate change disappeared from the Australian election radar?”

    It hasn’t “disappeared”. Our champagne socialist running the country is HIDING it to help his chances in the coming election. While he openly criticizes Labor for supporting a carbon tax, he deceitfully brings in his own through the back door.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/alan-kohler/australias-secret-ets-starts-in-five-weeks/news-story/7f1de2a63db3e8d4a12066f31edcf640

  21. Killing cults is very difficult. Just like with Scientology, leaving a dogma behind is extremely difficult for people who have been operantly conditioned to bond with and defend their faith, even if that faith is based on little more than assertion, mysticism, appeals to authority, group-think, and organized self-hypnosis.

    To the extent that the climate movement is a cult of millions of brainwashed school children, thanks to our centralized public education apparatus (many students of which now have children of their own, and or advanced degrees that make them feel like they’re superior), then the climate movement is NOT dead. These ninnies have to be deprogrammed. And the infection within the public schools, including research universities, must be excised before it can said to be dead.

  22. Can Barry’s $50 million be forwarded to my address:

    Settled Problems Be Us
    50 Large Bills Blvd
    Cayman, Islands

  23. Green = gullible!

    They go along to these cops, and each and every time they get empty promises, then come home to tell all their fellow greens how much they achieved.

    But I suppose it keeps them from doing real damage!

  24. “Former NASA GIS Chairman James Hansen claimed last year that the Paris climate talks were a fraud. Who knows, perhaps that was the intention all along”

    Boy, that would be a classic case of the kettle calling the saucepan black.

  25. The only thing the Paris “Agreement” accomplished was that Western economies “agreed” to commit economic suicide and formally allowed China, India and other “developing” countries to emit as much CO2 as they like until 2030 and allowed Western corporation to move their “evil” factories to China…

    Even if Western countries do not abide by their self-imposed CO2 emission targets, there are NO penalties for noncompliance…. Well… I guess the UN can send a nasty letter of reprimand to the offending nation, which will be summarily burned by the offending nation and add to their CO2 footprint…

    Is so hilarious watching Leftist irony in action.

  26. I would love to antagonize Malcolm Turncoat on the climate issue at the candidates forum in his electorate. He has gone against the wishes of the Australian People, hence the term “traitor” I believe is appropriate to describe him.
    It would be good to make him squirm. Only one of the candidates in Wentworth (at this stage anyway) knows that climate change is a load of rubbish. To his credit, last election, the CDP candidate said straight out that global warming/ climate change was a load of garbage. When Lord Monckton’s name came up, there was some applause from the audience, who were there supporting the Palmer candidate, who (was RIP) also an upfront climate skeptic.
    The lefties in the audience sneered at the name Lord Monckton. If these same lefties are there this time, using their “I’m a scientist ” line, I will be ready for them with “pseudoscientist?-a real scientist would know that science can never be settled.”
    Other things planned for the forum, but these are subject to approval from others-watch this space. Cross fingers that the plans can be pulled off to humiliate most of the other candidates, not that the seat is winnable. It would be just about the most unwinnable seat in the entire country, but controversy would be priceless publicity.

  27. “Kevin Anderson from Manchester University’s Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research even declared the summit to be “worse that Copenhagen”, in that it is based on out-of-date science, does not include aviation and shipping”

    Worse, it doesn’t include cows. Cow fart can more than offset all the promised CO2 emission reduction of the Paris club. It doesn’t consider the starvation it will inflict on the poorest people in the world. It is fitting the sham agreement was signed in Paris, the hometown of Marie Antoinette. When told the poor people of Pairs had no bread to eat, the flamboyant queen replied, let them eat cake.

  28. This thread reflects the reality of a world literally blind to the temperatures being discussed as well as the former Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper’s administration not doing their job. While weather stations are important, they don’t reflect the reality of what our development on the planet has done.

    Canada should have taken science advances to the UN Meeting in Paris but PM Harper didn’t share the information with Prime Minister Trudeau. Sources of man made atmospheric warming can be seen now as can the massive energy waste responding to the symptoms.

    It is important for readers to know that in Canada as one example, it is Environment Canada’s Meteorological Services that provide regional climatic data in Building Code. Buildings have very specific regional temperature extremes seasonally and we design, construct, insulate as well as design energy systems to accommodate those extremes. Then we are referred to the Appendix which warns of solar radiation(EMFs) being more significant than design temperatures. That is because solar interaction with absorbent exterior finishes of buildings can cause buildings to generate heat that can grossly exceed the climatic data in Building Codes. That makes buildings urban heat generators before they are urban heat islands.

    I led our team in using non invasive radiology to image buildings in 7 Canadian Provinces and 26 states in the U.S. specific to solar radiation interaction which produced the same shocking results. Solar interaction with buildings right after sunrise increased skin temperature of the building every 60 seconds. As building engineering professionals it was alarming to see dark absorbent exterior finishes generate heat close to boiling temperature. That generated heat transfers inside the building and radiates atmospherically warming the atmosphere. Imaging buildings on the inside contradicted our education in the calculator by showing the heat transfer inside the building through the wood framing or weak insulation areas. Following that air conditioning was used responding to the symptoms when A/C is in fact refrigeration requiring a big electrical load.

    As a Registered Intervener in a wireless smart meter application by FortisBC to the British Columbia Utilities Commission, here is my submission supporting the suspension of FortisBC’s wireless smart meters. The submission includes heat loss and energy waste in the winter with the applicable code rule as well as entire developments grossly exceeding climatic data in building code. The code rule in Canada is 1.1.3.(Climatic and Seismic Data) unless amended by municipalities. http://www.bcuc.com/Documents/Proceedings/2012/DOC_32604_C19-6_WKCC-Submission-RDCK-Nelson-Creston_Suspension.pdf

    There are reasons they white wash buildings and it was reported to our authorities(government) how the buildings could be brought back into code compliance creating millions of tax paying jobs globally. That would immediately knock billions of watts per hour off electrical grids including, stop heating the atmosphere and eliminate the Chlorofluorocarbons associated with A/C.

    FortisBC experts admitted in direct cross examination by me their wireless smart meter program would cover 17,000 sq. kms with highly penetrating RF EMFs. Those high speed oscillations billions of times per second by themselves will cause excitation of atmospheric generating heat that will contribute to real climate change. This one example of what was kept from UN members in Paris and it is important to clarify for the reader here the accuracy of this level of infrared was verified imaging groundwater from the air. We within 1/10 of a degree C imaging stream temperature from a moving helicopter.

    Global warming causing climate change is real but not the “theory” used by Al Gore.

  29. There is a conspiracy of silence because traitor Turnbull and his co-conspirator Hunt, have secretly (with Labor connivance) activated the ETS provision which Clive Palmer (with Al Gore standing next to him) insisted be included in the legislation to repeal of Julia Gillard’s carbon tax (the one she said she would never impose).

    An ETS is being imposed on us without anyone being the wiser on 1st July, 2016, the day before the federal elections. Read all about it at Jo Nova’s –

    http://joannenova.com.au/2016/05/secret-deal-australia-already-has-an-ets-carbon-tax-starts-in-5-weeks/

    Australia is being run by a government of lying traitors.

  30. This thread reflects the reality of a world literally blind to the temperatures being discussed as well as the former Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper’s administration not doing their job. While weather station data is important, they don’t reflect the reality of what our development on the planet has done.

    Canada should have taken science advances to the UN Meeting in Paris but PM Harper didn’t share the information with Prime Minister Trudeau. Sources of man made atmospheric warming can be seen now as can the massive energy waste responding to the symptoms.

    It is important for readers to know that in Canada as one example, it is Environment Canada’s Meteorological Services that provide regional climatic data in Building Code. Buildings have very specific regional temperature extremes seasonally and we design, construct, insulate as well as design energy systems to accommodate those extremes. Then we are referred to the Appendix which warns of solar radiation(EMFs) being more significant than design temperatures. That is because solar interaction with absorbent exterior finishes of buildings can cause buildings to generate heat that can grossly exceed the climatic data in Building Codes. That makes buildings urban heat generators before they are urban heat islands.

    I led our team in using non invasive radiology to image buildings in 7 Canadian Provinces and 26 states in the U.S. specific to solar radiation interaction which produced the same shocking results. Solar interaction with buildings right after sunrise increased skin temperature of the building every 60 seconds. As building engineering professionals it was alarming to see dark absorbent exterior finishes generate heat close to boiling temperature. That generated heat transfers inside the building and radiates atmospherically warming the atmosphere. Imaging buildings on the inside contradicted our education in the calculator by showing the heat transfer inside the building through the wood framing or weak insulation areas. Following that air conditioning was used responding to the symptoms when A/C is in fact refrigeration requiring a big electrical load.

    As a Registered Intervener in a wireless smart meter application by FortisBC to the British Columbia Utilities Commission, here is my submission supporting the suspension of FortisBC’s wireless smart meters. The submission includes heat loss and energy waste in the winter with the applicable code rule as well as entire developments grossly exceeding climatic data in building code. The code rule in Canada is 1.1.3.(Climatic and Seismic Data) unless amended by municipalities. http://www.bcuc.com/Documents/Proceedings/2012/DOC_32604_C19-6_WKCC-Submission-RDCK-Nelson-Creston_Suspension.pdf

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