Open Thread Saturday – "What Could We do Better"?

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I’m traveling today, and my ability to connect to the Internet will be hit and miss. Therefore, I’ve decided to run an open thread along with this question: What Could We do Better?

This applies to WUWT, it’s readers, moderators and guest contributors. Constructive criticisms and feedback are welcome, but for my blog spawn and detractors, your feedback is welcome too, but please leave your rants, vitriol, and hate mail at the front door.

For contributors with posting privileges, feel free to publish today if the mood strikes you.

 

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April 23, 2016 4:08 pm

On providing simple summaries:
Here is my (our) predictive track record, from an article that Dr. Sallie Baliunas, Dr. Tim Patterson and I published in 2002 in the PEGG. It is now available at:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf
Our eight-point Rebuttal includes predictions that have all materialized in those countries in Western Europe that have adopted the full measure of global warming mania. My country, Canada, was foolish enough to sign the Kyoto Protocol, but then was wise enough to ignore it.
[Our 2002 article is in “quotation marks”, followed by current commentary.]
1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
NO net global warming has occurred for more than 18 years despite increasing atmospheric CO2.
2. “Kyoto focuses primarily on reducing CO2, a relatively harmless gas, and does nothing to control real air pollution like NOx, SOx, and particulates, or serious pollutants in water and soil.”
Note the extreme pollution of air, water and soil that still occurs in China and the Former Soviet Union.
3. “Kyoto wastes enormous resources that are urgently needed to solve real environmental and social problems that exist today. For example, the money spent on Kyoto in one year would provide clean drinking water and sanitation for all the people of the developing world in perpetuity.”
Since the start of global warming mania, about 50 million children below the age of five have died from contaminated water.
4. “Kyoto will destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs and damage the Canadian economy – the U.S., Canada’s biggest trading partner, will not ratify Kyoto, and developing countries are exempt.”
Canada signed Kyoto but then most provinces wisely ignored it – the exception being now-depressed Ontario, where government adopted ineffective “green energy” schemes, drove up energy costs, and drove out manufacturing jobs.
5. “Kyoto will actually hurt the global environment – it will cause energy-intensive industries to move to exempted developing countries that do not control even the worst forms of pollution.”
Note the huge manufacturing growth and extremely polluted air in industrial regions of China.
6. “Kyoto’s CO2 credit trading scheme punishes the most energy efficient countries and rewards the most wasteful. Due to the strange rules of Kyoto, Canada will pay the Former Soviet Union billions of dollars per year for CO2 credits.”
Our government did not pay the FSU, but other governments did, bribing them to sign Kyoto.
7. “Kyoto will be ineffective – even assuming the overstated pro-Kyoto science is correct, Kyoto will reduce projected warming insignificantly, and it would take as many as 40 such treaties to stop alleged global warming.”
If one believed the false climate models, one would conclude that we must cease using fossil fuels.
8. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
Governments that adopted “green energy” schemes such as wind and solar power are finding these schemes are not green and produce little useful energy. Their energy costs are soaring and these governments are in retreat, dropping their green energy subsidies as fast as they politically can.
IN SUMMARY:
All the above predictions that we made in 2002 have proven correct in those states that fully adopted the Kyoto Accord, whereas none of the global warming alarmists’ scary warming projections have materialized.
HOWEVER, THAT SIMPLE SUMMARY WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR OUR POLITICIANS, WHO CONTINUED TO OBSESS ABOUT THE GLOBAL WARMING BOGEYMAN, AND SQUANDERED MANY TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON GREEN ENERGY SCAMS.
So I wrote about the intermittency problems of grid-connected wind and solar power, and the need for almost 100% backup from conventional power generation like fossil fuels, hydro and nuclear. I also wrote about the excessively high cost of green energy and its risk of destabilizing the entire electrical grid.
Again, this was too completed for our politicians, who continued to obsess about global warming even though it was NOT HAPPENING, and continued to squander trillions on green energy scams.
Finally, I decided to dumb it down so our politicians might actually understand.
I wrote:
Wind power – it doesn’t just blow – it sucks!
Solar power – stick it where the Sun don’t shine!
Finally, the European politicians seem to be getting the message. However, in North America, the obsession of politicians with (fictitious) global warming sails on, like a ghost ship with its long-dead crew, searching for redemption.
Best to all, Allan 🙂

Reply to  Allan MacRae
April 23, 2016 5:06 pm

More simple summaries for our politicians:
“Cheap, abundant reliable energy is the lifeblood of society – it IS that simple.”
“When misinformed politicians fool with energy systems, innocent people suffer and die.”
– Allan MacRae, P. Eng.

Dennis Horne
Reply to  Allan MacRae
April 23, 2016 5:36 pm

CO2 emissions are acidifying the oceans and causing Earth to retain more energy, melting ice and changing the climate, it’s that simple. That’s the conclusion of nearly every informed scientist, scientific institution and society on the planet. The politicians accept it. Infuriating. Isn’t it.

Reply to  Dennis Horne
April 23, 2016 5:49 pm

CO2 emissions are acidifying the oceans …
No. they’re not.
That’s the conclusion of nearly every informed scientist, scientific institution and…blah, blah, &etc. The same tired old ‘Appeal to Corrupt Authorities’ logical fallacy.
The politicians accept it.
As do the scientific ignoramuses.
Infuriating. Isn’t it.
Infuriating? More like: amusing. Skeptics of the DAGW nonsense won the scientific debate years ago. Now the ignoratii have shifted their argument from science to to politics.
Infuriating, isn’t it?

afonzarelli
Reply to  Allan MacRae
April 23, 2016 5:58 pm

“Infuriating. Isn’t it.”
YES, especially when it’s never been proven…

Reply to  Allan MacRae
April 23, 2016 8:37 pm

Thanks for the laugh, Dennis Horne.
Also, the sky is falling – it hit you on the head.
🙂

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Allan MacRae
April 23, 2016 9:23 pm

Dennis Horne- One has to conclude either that you cannot read or choose not to. Most on here would accept that global warming might exist even if CO2 has nothing to do with it. Ocean acidification however is complete nonsense. Go ahead- show us a paper that proves what you just said! It doesn’t exist, which is proof that you believe- in the absence of evidence- because you want to believe. Sad! Irrational and sad. Maybe science isn’t your thing?

msbehavin'
Reply to  Allan MacRae
April 24, 2016 8:39 am

Since it seems apparent that Dennis Horne can’t read and/or evaluate any of the actual scientific literature for himself, I provided a video link to one of his heroes (Muller) destroying his argument upthread.

Svend Ferdinandsen
April 23, 2016 4:17 pm

It is a bit strange to observe the battle between the climateers and the sceptics.
It is hard to win for the sceptics saying that it is not a problem, even when true. It gains no entusiasme.
The climateers are in the same trouble, they can only predict no change if we follow them, but a lot of problems if we keep on.

u.k(us)
April 23, 2016 5:10 pm

Ya gotta be careful when giving advice, someone might actually take it.

AJ
April 23, 2016 5:12 pm

I’d love to see a lot more debunkings of articles, YouTube videos, claims, etc. I always enjoy those posts.

April 23, 2016 5:30 pm

Remove the scammer trolls filling up the WUWT facebook page.

Ion
April 23, 2016 5:33 pm

I have not read all the comments, but why fix something that is not broken?
If truth is your goal, then you cannot improve anything.
As an onlooker, there is a lot of very cool, very clever people, who take time out to educate an idiot like me.
So yes,…let it be.

co2islife
April 23, 2016 5:49 pm

1) Keep up the outstanding work.
2) Answer the question “What Can We Do?” I was at a global warming debunking event the at the end an angry mob simply wanted to know “What Can We Do To Stop This Nonsense?” How can we counter the AGW promoters? The answer was to run for your Political Party’s Central Committee. They are the grass roots entry level positions, they are easy to win, and they determine the direction, platform, endorsements and nominations of the political party . Most people have no idea what a Central Committee is, and who the people are when they vote for them.
3) Publish more articles in plane English, focus of the smoking guns, and present them in classroom lecture format. Most people don’t have scientific backgrounds, and need talking points to argue this issue. Find the nuggets that any 8th grader would understand, compile a list of smoking guns, and provide talking points.
4) Define an agenda on how to fight back and put the AGW people on the defensive. An open source temperature reconstruction and climate model, an agency for validating scientific practices and conclusions of Federally Funded Research, penalties for wasting tax payer money, transparency into the process of granting and funding, requirements to release data and methods to the public, banning of “peer review” as an acceptable way of reaching a conclusion.
5) An EEOC for Universities that cuts funding for Universities that show a political bias in hiring.
6) Prosecute people like Michael Mann for corruption, collusion, misrepresentation and misleading the public.
7) Align the grant funding and research priorities process with the Nation’s needs. Climate Change is a made up agenda to fund an agenda promoted by environmentalists and Democrats. America has far more pressing issues like Cancer, Childhood illnesses, Employment, Economic Growth, True Energy Independence, etc etc etc.

Allen Rogers
April 23, 2016 6:44 pm

Can someone explain why the photos of the sun and the large sun spot on the upper left edge has not changed for well over a week now? I know the sun has not stopped rotating. What is going on?
Thanks,
Allen

Editor
Reply to  Allen Rogers
April 23, 2016 8:03 pm

It’s probably a caching issue, both WP and your system are trying to speed up access and reduce bandwidth by keeping frequently accessed stuff around. You can try clearing out the cache in your browser and you may be able to change the amount of time it keeps a cached image.
You can (this is usually more hassle than it worth) copy the image URL to your browser, and add a question mark and some random text. The browser will think it’s looking at a new page and fetch from the server. E.g.
http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_256_HMIIC.jpg?foo
That should show:
http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_256_HMIIC.jpg?foo.jpg

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 24, 2016 12:54 am

It appears that WordPress has introduce image cache, https://i0.wp.com/www….xyz, saving the initial image, updates will not be visible without ‘clicking’ on the image, then reverts back to the initial one.
Here is example https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/22/friday-funny-earth-day-hate-mail/#comment-2197762
I tried to correct spelling ‘breathing’), any idea to overcome the problem.

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
April 24, 2016 8:29 am

I edited your comment to change the URL to add “?0.gif” expecting that would force WP to reread the image. It didn’t work, I’m not certain why. I’ll try the new URL on the Test page too.
—-
Curious, it worked on the test page. If you create a CAGW1.gif file with the fix, I can try editing that in.

Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
April 24, 2016 8:51 am

We’re down to one sunspot today – Sunspot number is 11 – 10 points for the “group” and 1 point for the spot.
http://spaceweather.com/images2016/24apr16/hmi360.gif
Looks like that image still has a tiny bit of the spot no longer being counted. It should be gone by tomorrow.

Reply to  Allen Rogers
April 24, 2016 9:24 am

Thanks Mr. Werme
link to corrected new CAGW1.gif
file

CM
April 23, 2016 6:46 pm

Well, it looks like I’m going to have to take a different tack than everybody else.
As “…the world’s most viewed climate website” this site is an opportunity that is being squandered. The world needs a go-to site that is a well organized reference for the climate change issue. From beginner to expert it would go a long way to influence the outcome in favor of the truth.
For starters, it could outline what is the proper sequence to get from the conjecture of AGW to proper scientific theory. Then it could use the magic of hypertext to drill down into the actual research and news articles that speak to each step of the sequence.
A good example of this is the need for experimentation. Has anybody actually run experiments to see how different levels of CO2 behave in a realistic atmospheric mix? How many people here even know the answer to that question? I have no idea and I can’t find it. If that data exists and doesn’t support an AGW hypothesis then you stop right there.
In my opinion the entire issue is fraught with a seeming inability to argue the larger scientific issues forcefully. Of course, you can’t argue the issues if you don’t frame them properly. What we have is more like a donnybrook where everybody is slugging away at each other and there is no winner.
Regardless of how it is organized, the idea is the same: This site needs to be a reference where anybody can go and readily find the available information on any one of the many facets of this issue.
Although that is an expansion of the scope of this website I don’t think it is an expansion of the mission. I for one am not here to fight. I’m here to win. The sheer volume of traffic on this site is a compelling reason to think boldly about what can be accomplished here.

Editor
Reply to  CM
April 23, 2016 8:16 pm

There are a lot of reference pages hanging off the top nav bar. It sounds like some of your requests would take a huge amount of time to accomplish. Even some of the simple stuff here has taken a huge amount of time, e.g. use this screen capture to find one “simple” experiment and see how long it took to duplicate.
http://wermenh.com/images/top-nav.jpg
A lot of of the experiments you may be asking for are worth an advanced degree and require thousands of dollars of equipment.

April 23, 2016 7:19 pm

Well I might be the last comment but why not have each category placed into various sort categories so we could place the comments and view them into any list fashion we are wanting. Like a preference screen at the top.

Editor
Reply to  Lee Osburn
April 23, 2016 8:18 pm

I’m not sure what you’re asking for, but anything that requires changes to WordPress’s software is pretty much impossible for us to get. We have very little pull.

Dennis Horne
April 23, 2016 8:46 pm

What do you call a gaggle of people who think they know more than the entire global community of informed scientists? There must be a word…

Reply to  Dennis Horne
April 23, 2016 8:54 pm

‘Climate alarmists’.
They think they know more than the 30,000+ OISM co-signers. heh

Dennis Horne
Reply to  dbstealey
April 23, 2016 10:12 pm

Cite ten (or even three) papers in high impact journals that contradict the consensus.

Reply to  dbstealey
April 24, 2016 2:54 am

Consensus isn’t science. Therefore consensus isn’t contradicted in scientific papers.

Slacko
Reply to  dbstealey
April 24, 2016 4:29 am

Dennis Horne
High impact journals eh? Would you settle for 3 to 10 high profile worldwide organisations that work actively and aggressively without ceasing, to either prevent such papers from being published, or to otherwise suppress and subvert human advancement.
United Nations,
The New World Order,
The Club of Rome,
Council on Foreign Relations,
The Pope,
The Tri-Lateral Commission,
Greenpeace,
The Illuminati,
Freemasonry,
Media Organisations.
I could find a few more but it’s getting late and I’m hungry.

afonzarelli
Reply to  Dennis Horne
April 24, 2016 1:51 am

“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”
Einstein on consensus science…

Reply to  Dennis Horne
April 24, 2016 2:04 am

Dennis Horne,
I am reminded of a fellow named Albert Einstein who took on the physics dogma/consensus of his day. When asked about the 100 scientists (German; remember the era) who denounced him and his work, he is supposed to have replied that if he were wrong they would only need one to show it.
Once upon a time, every Doctor in the West thought the first thing to do when confronted with a sick patient was to bleed the person. I am sure you would have agreed with them and denounced the Natural Hygienists of the day who objected to the practice.

Leon0112
April 23, 2016 9:29 pm

WUWT’s comment section is a more thorough review process than any “peer reviewed journal”. You ought to start promoting the site as a “peer reviewed journal” for academics to publish. That would drive political activist Michael Mann crazy.

TA
Reply to  Leon0112
April 24, 2016 6:05 am

“WUWT’s comment section is a more thorough review process than any “peer reviewed journal””
I agree. If you want a good peer review, come here. 🙂

Chris 4692
Reply to  Leon0112
April 24, 2016 8:37 pm

The model for science journals of the future. Should be followed up with a conclusion by the original author.

littleoil
April 23, 2016 10:25 pm

An excellent clear paper. Well done. And great comments above. And if it was not for Anthony this would not have happened. I hope that he is properly recognised for his services to the world one day.
I think that, as others have said, we need a concise clear argument.
It is possible that the paper has already been written- https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/21/does-the-leader-of-the-free-world-really-know-so-little-about-climate/
And http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/sayet-why-im-denier-hint-because-its-crap
I think it would be great to continue this discussion for some time.

April 23, 2016 10:32 pm

Well, I think I’ve read every comment on this page… or at least 97% 😉
It seems to me that one of the recurring themes is regarding the finding of stuff. This is always a problem in life. As an 80 y.o hoarder, with several moves of house, I may know I have something but putting one’s hand on it could be something different. My hard drive is bulging with ‘stuff’. Computing ‘searches’ is a wonderful thing – but still fraught with problems. It helps to have a tidy mind but when the volume of traffic is so great (as here on WUWT), there is barely enough time to sort and index all the data.
It would probably take an Amazon team of logisticians to show the way; not very helpful for the average user. One method which would help some of the above commenters concerns would be the Disqus comments platform, where the reader can choose (obviously also having the voting system for posts) from three different views: “Best”; “Oldest” and “Newest”. BUT migrating from WordPress to Disqus? Anthony is probably shuddering at that thought.
So, I don’t think there IS an overall answer – not yet anyway. Some new system may evolve one day but I don’t see one as yet. And as Ric Werme said upthread, the amount of time taken to provide what is already here is huge.

Eugene WR Gallun
April 23, 2016 10:39 pm

What we as users could do is thank Anthony, the moderators and all others concerned with running WUWT more often and more profusely.
Eugene WR Gallun

TA
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
April 24, 2016 6:07 am

Where would we be without them? At the mercy of the Alarmists!

Robber
April 23, 2016 10:41 pm

Provide an FAQ section so readers can readily locate common questions and answers.
For example:
What is the official estimate of warming during the 20th century?
What is the IPCC’s best estimate of global warming for the 21st century?

Dennis Horne
April 23, 2016 11:58 pm

A scientist changes his mind:

Dennis Horne
Reply to  Rainer Bensch
April 24, 2016 4:15 am

co2islife
Reply to  Dennis Horne
April 24, 2016 8:05 am

What is warming the oceans is what is driving CO2 higher. These people seem to forget Henry’s Law and the simple concept of multicorrelation. We don’t have date measuring how much sunlight is reaching the oceans. We don’t even have data sets needed to determine what is warming the climate. More incoming radiation reaching the oceans will warm them, warming the oceans will release CO2, it shouldn’t be a shock that CO2 is highly correlated with temperature, CO2 IS A FUNCTION OF TEMPERATURE!!!! Sunspots are irrelevant, the amount of radiation that reaches earth is the relevant factor. It is as if these climate “scientists” never took a course on basic modeling. They mis-specify models, they use the wrong variables, they reverse the dependent and independent variables, they use linear when they should use log, etc etc etc. Climate “science” is simply an example of a group of people with financial, political and personal conflicts of interest trying to make bogus models that are useful in fooling the public and exploit their ignorance of high level statistics and science.
http://environmentcounts.org/article_image.php?image_type=article&id=66

msbehavin'
Reply to  Dennis Horne
April 24, 2016 8:20 am

Dennis Horne
Muller was never a skeptic.
Here’s the Muller video you apparently missed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk
Muller destroying Mann’s “hockey stick”, and exposing the shenanigans of the UEA crowd.
Of course we are warming. We are in an interglacial and also just came out of the Little Ice Age (clearly noted on Briffa’s graph as presented by Muller, and erased by Mann ).
However, 7/10ths of a degree is hardly a “catastrophic” amount (or “unprecedented” for that matter).
Maybe you can explain why the observed temperatures in the real world do not match *any* of the IPCC’s model temperature projections.
Of course I know you won’t be able to, since there is no logical explanation except that the ‘science’ the IPCC is using is wrong. In science , it doesn’t matter if “97% believe” something, especially if the theory has been falsified. ” Number of believers” only matters in religion.

Dennis Horne
Reply to  msbehavin'
April 24, 2016 12:13 pm

(1) Earth was cooling at 0.2C a thousand years until industrialisation.
(2) Since Mann’s hockey stick, studies have confirmed the conclusions: the 20th century is the warmest in the last 1000 years and warming was most dramatic after 1920.
(3) The story of UEA is a story of a beat-up. Several investigations cleared the scientists of misconduct.
(4) Evidence for warming to the present and projections from modelling are two entirely different things. Sure we don’t know exactly what effect this will have but ice is being lost and it’s likely captured methane will be released.
Emissions of CO2 causes Earth to retain more energy as predicted.
Two degrees Celsius from CO2 is likely to change the climate significantly. That is the balance of informed opinion: a consensus. We need common sense and courage to accept it.
We need to stop China and India burning coal.

afonzarelli
Reply to  msbehavin'
April 24, 2016 5:29 pm

The carbon dioxide growth rate has been tracking with temperature since the inception of the mauna loa observatory data set. If the past is any indicator of the future, china and india can burn all the coal that they want. It will NOT impact carbon growth…

littleoil
April 24, 2016 12:20 am

An excellent clear paper. Well done. And great comments above. And if it was not for Anthony this would not have happened. I hope that he is properly recognised for his services to the world one day.
I think that, as others have said, we need a concise clear argument. Lots of graphs and diagrams. Summary of all the funding.
It is possible that the paper has already been written- https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/21/does-the-leader-of-the-free-world-really-know-so-little-about-climate/
And http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/sayet-why-im-denier-hint-because-its-crap
Coupled with http://joannenova.com.au/2016/04/so-nasa-giss-says-it-does-not-fudge-numbers/
It would be good to tap into readers as a resource to write, check, research.
Be aware of current issues and post accordingly. Hottest year ever, Great Barrier Reef, etc.
I think it would be great to continue this discussion for some time.
And why don’t we all contribute to the tip jar now to reward Anthony for having some time away from the desk!!

April 24, 2016 1:54 am

Request for Constructive Criticism
Since this comment is a day late and a dollar short, I’ll feel better knowing that few will read this one. I don’t like to criticize even constructively, but here are a few thoughts off the top of my head before dawn on a Sunday morning:
1) The guest posts don’t always have to reflect the views of our host. So, we could have more posts that are not in the “consensus” of those who follow this blog. (stop blaming our host for posts that you don’t like)
2) The site should look more closely at why it is forbidden to link to certain sites of the hard-core skeptics. It may well come to pass that the luke-warmers are also wrong.
3) There should be more questioning of the basic physics behind the alarmist’s “consensus”. As an example, why do they always look at the earth as if it were flat and the sun was always shining coldly. I can tell you that here in Florida we have nights and days — and the sun is darned hot on sunny days.
4) I think more articles on the vast uncertainty that surrounds the current “consensus” would be in order. For example, we can’t get a prediction from the IPCC for 10 years out that is accurate; and they want us to believe they know what will happen 100 years out?
5) More open threads where disagreement with the prevailing consensus is allowed. (lighter moderation of those of us who think CO2 does not warm the surface)
~Mark

Editor
April 24, 2016 1:57 am

I’m very happy with the way the WUWT website is structured (threads etc), and with the open policy (all views welcomed), and I think there is very little that can improve what we have.
But I’m trying to think outside the box a bit, and in a US election year there is definitely more that we can do. I say “we” because Anthony shouldn’t have to do everything and we all need to contribute.
I think it’s time for WUWT to get onto the front foot.
We need to put together a large group of scientists, and others, who can put the case for climate science (real climate science, that is), and we need to search for donors to fund them. They then need to approach all US political representatives, candidates and their advisers, and try to get them to understand that the science is not settled and to understand some of the glaring problems with the IPCC reports and other warmist studies and propaganda. They need to get onto the MSM and get the message across there. They need to run public meetings, and explain how proposed climate mitigation actions will adversely affect everyone’s lives, and how they will adversely affect the US economy. And they also need to explain that adaptation is an eminently more sensible approach than a futile attempt at mitigation, that global cooling is a possibility, and that global warming and CO2 have many benefits too.
Commenter co2islife has touched on this. I think the time is right to start being aggressive about it. OK, it’s a big ask, but this is a crucial election year in the US, and there may never be another opportunity like it.

afonzarelli
Reply to  Mike Jonas
April 24, 2016 11:34 am

Mike, as usual is usual from you, a very well articulated point… Doubtful that anything like this will ever happen, though. (admittedly, it would be nice to see) I envision a slow inexorable awakening as agw theory becomes less viable as time goes on. To some degree the hiatus is doing this already. As well, the high cost of renewables is coming up against political reality. (lest we forget, cap and trade is a factor in why we have a republican majority in both u.s. houses of congress) This agw thing will go away in small increments in large part because the watts’s of the world will keep on doing what they’ve been doing (albeit with greater efficacy) as time goes on. What you’re advocating is a sort of quantum leap which may hasten the demise of agw, but i think at the end of the day it will be reality and not activism that will end it. The job of the skeptical community will be to capitalize on that reality as it unfolds by continuing to do what it has always done so well…

afonzarelli
Reply to  afonzarelli
April 24, 2016 11:41 am

“as usual is usual” should read “as is usual”
(my apologies to donna…)

April 24, 2016 3:22 am

Hi Anthony I’m keen on Geology and it would be good to see comparisons to past natural events such as Mt Tambora eruption in 1815 and the global climate effects from that which were much destructive and quicker than AGW

Kiwi7
April 24, 2016 4:05 am

I like the site, and I like the comments.
Overall it is very good.
But I do think the quality of writing could be improved in some of the guest posts. Many of them are long and rambling and struggle to reach a conclusion. It might be better to change the structure of some of the posts to give a summary and conclusion at the top of the post, backed up by more detail in the meat of the post.

FoS
April 24, 2016 4:26 am

Why not dump the photo thumbnails?
– They usually don’t add anything, being just filler images to make the site look more cheerful. As such they add nothing. This cheerfulness comes at a cost.
– I am pretty sure that Anthony et al spend more time searching for and processing such pointless images than they do on more important web tasks. Because I realize how much effort has gone into these images I find their pointlessness really quite irritating. Don’t believe me? Scroll down the WUWT home page and ask yourself how many of these images have any function other than adding a splodge of color.
– If someone no longer comes to WUWT because there aren’t pointless pretty pictures on the front page then perhaps they shouldn’t be here.
– If for occasional posts a thumbnail is really relevant, you can still use it. I am just arguing that the norm should be no images unless necessary.

Reply to  FoS
April 24, 2016 7:01 am

Sorry FoS…I love the thumbnails…they are usually amusing and more importantly make it very easy to find an article whose comments you are perhaps following when scrolling down through the list of recent articles.
This site is just great…a wonderful source of inspiration, useful facts and generally thought provoking comments.
Anthony does a great job of finding new relevant articles and the moderators are superb at keeping the comments free of the boorish name calling and vindictiveness that one sees other sites so often degenerate into.
Keep up the good work!

Editor
Reply to  FoS
April 24, 2016 8:43 am

Don’t tell that to the bus driver!comment image

TA
April 24, 2016 6:15 am

Here’s what I would like to see as a Topic: An animation and discussion of the NH weather circulation patterns during the entire decade of the 1930’s.
The 1930’s was the most unusual, extreme weather decade in modern history. No other subsequent time period even comes close to generating the kind of severe weather seen in the 1930’s.
This extreme weather was *not* caused by humans and CO2, it was caused by something else, something natural, and I think it is very important for us to understand what happened in the 1930’s, because we very well may be going in that direction again, sometime in the future, CO2 or no CO2.
We have to assume that the extreme heat of the 1930’s was caused because of stationary high pressure systems, which, when in place, allow the temperatures to get hotter and hotter the longer they stay in place.
In the case of the 1930’s, the extreme weather lasted nearly the entire decade of the 1930’s, which has to mean that the circulation patterns in the NH were drastically changed from what we see normally. I get the impression that the entire NH circulation pattern was stalled, more or less, for years.
An interesting aspect of the 1930’s, is that we actually had record high temperatures and record low temperatures during the same year, in the 1930’s. I think what accounts for this is sometimes a stationary high pressure system, sitting over the center of the U.S., will “wobble” westward a few hundred miles, which opens up the Eastern U.S. to the jet stream that is arcing north over the high pressure system. The persistent high pressure system causes the jet stream to move farther north than normal which allows the jet stream to funnel very cold air down into the United States on the eastern side of the high pressure system. So inside the high pressure system, we have record high temperatures, and just outside the high pressure system, we have record lows.
I would really like to explore this subject, and I think it is about as pertinent a subject as we have.

Reply to  TA
April 24, 2016 7:08 am

TA@6:15 Yes, that would be a very interesting topic.
I would also like to see articles on:
1. Whether our naturally warming world means that the oceans are actually releasing CO2 giving rise to the increase seen in Hawaii or are they a sink due to the increasing partial pressure of CO2 as some here have suggested.
2. Just how much of the 400ppm CO2 is man made (whatever that means) and how much is natural. Is it 1 molecule in every 86,000 as Ian Plimer and others have suggested or much more and how is this decided?

Reply to  TA
April 24, 2016 1:40 pm

+10

Reply to  goldminor
April 24, 2016 1:56 pm

That was aimed at TA. A detailed examination of the 1920/30s would be very educational to compare with cuurent times.

TA
April 24, 2016 6:26 am

I would also like to submit my definition of “Climate Change”:
Climate change is when a longterm temperature trendline is broken, and stays broken.