Another attempt at Cooking settling consensus on climate change

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From the “Cooking up another 97% consensus” department and Purdue University:

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – A Purdue University-led survey of nearly 700 scientists from non-climate disciplines shows that more than 90 percent believe that average global temperatures are higher than pre-1800s levels and that human activity has significantly contributed to the rise.

The study is the first to show that consensus on human-caused climate change extends beyond climate scientists to the broader scientific community, said Linda Prokopy, a professor of natural resource social science.

“Our survey indicates that an overwhelming majority of scientists across disciplines believe in anthropogenic climate change, are highly certain of these beliefs and find climate science to be credible,” Prokopy said. “Our results also suggest that scientists who are climate change skeptics are well in the minority.”

Previous studies have shown that about 97 percent of actively publishing climate scientists believe in human-caused climate change, and a review of scientific literature on the existence of climate change indicated that about 97 percent of studies affirm climate change is happening.

However, no direct surveys had assessed whether the general agreement on the impact of human activities on the Earth’s climate extended to scientists in other disciplines.

Prokopy and fellow researchers conducted a 2014 survey of scientists from more than 10 non-climate disciplines at Big Ten universities to determine the relative prevalence of belief in, and skepticism of, climate change in the scientific community.

Of 698 respondents, about 94 percent said they believe average global temperatures have “generally risen” compared with pre-1800 levels, and 92 percent said they believe “human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.”

This figure shows the proportion of Big Ten university scientists, sorted by academic discipline, who said they believe average global temperatures have risen from pre-1800s levels (left) and that human activity has significantly contributed to the rise (right). The vertical line represents the average. CREDIT (Environmental Research Letters image/J. Stuart Carlton)
This figure shows the proportion of Big Ten university scientists, sorted by academic discipline, who said they believe average global temperatures have risen from pre-1800s levels (left) and that human activity has significantly contributed to the rise (right). The vertical line represents the average.
CREDIT (Environmental Research Letters image/J. Stuart Carlton)

Nearly 79 percent said they “strongly agree” and about 15 percent “moderately agree” that climate science is credible. About 64 percent said climate science is a mature science compared with their own field, and about 63 percent rated climate science as “about equally trustworthy” compared to their discipline.

Disagreement about climate change is rarely a simple dispute about facts, Prokopy said. People’s interpretation of information can also be influenced by their cultural and political values, worldview, and personal identity. Prokopy’s research team found that division over climate change was linked to disagreement over science – such as the potential effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth’s climate – but also differing cultural and political values, which the survey gauged in a section of questions on respondents’ general worldviews.

While cultural values did not appear to influence scientists as much as previous studies have shown they influence the general public on a variety of issues, including climate change, the survey indicated that “when it comes to climate change, scientists are people, too,” said lead author Stuart Carlton, a former postdoctoral research assistant in Prokopy’s lab.

“While our study shows that a large majority of scientists believe in human-caused climate change, it also shows that their beliefs are influenced by the same types of things that influence the beliefs of regular people: cultural values, political ideologies and personal identity,” he said.

Prokopy said she was “quite surprised to find cultural values influencing scientists as much as they are. This shows how strong these values are and how hard they are to change.”

Respondents’ certainty in their beliefs on climate change appeared to be linked to the source of their climate information. Certainty was correlated to how much of respondents’ climate information came from scientific literature or mainstream media, Prokopy said. The more respondents relied on scientific studies for information on climate change, the greater their certainty that human activity is causing the Earth’s temperatures to rise.

“Climate literature is very compelling and convincing,” she said. “Scientists are not fabricating their data.”

Nearly 60 percent of those who believe in climate change said they were “extremely sure” and about 31 percent said they were “very sure” average global temperatures have risen. Respondents who said they believe global temperatures have fallen or remained constant were “significantly less certain” in their beliefs, Prokopy said.

Carlton said the tendency of some media to portray climate change as more controversial among scientists than it actually is could decrease people’s certainty in whether climate change is occurring and its potential causes.

“The media probably do this for good reasons: They want to give each side of a story to try to be balanced,” said Carlton, now the healthy coastal ecosystems and social science specialist at Texas Sea Grant. “However, our study shows that there is very little disagreement among climate scientists or other scientists about the existence of climate change or the quality of climate science as a discipline. There are important questions about what we should do about climate change, but those are policy controversies, not science controversies.”

The survey results did not reveal many strikingly different responses by discipline, Prokopy said, though among the fields of study represented, natural resource scientists showed the highest amount of skepticism that global temperatures have risen.

Respondents across disciplines nearly unanimously agreed that climate science is credible, but views on its maturity and trustworthiness compared with their own discipline varied. Physicists and chemists, for example, rated climate science as a highly credible discipline but gave it lower marks in trustworthiness and overall maturity compared with their own fields. Prokopy said this was “not surprising given that physics and chemistry are some of the oldest, most established scientific disciplines.”

While previous studies showed that many prominent climate science skeptics were physicists, Carlton said this survey did not show similar evidence.

“The proportion of physicists and chemists who believed in climate change was right around average.”

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The paper was published Thursday (Sept. 24) in Environmental Research Letters and is available at http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/9/094025.


AW: Comment:

It seems curious to me that if man-made climate change is so certain, why do some people feel the need to prove that a majority of their peers believe in it and that anyone who doesn’t is simply wrong?

I would wonder what a similar survey of scientists might have shown around 1912 when Alfred Wegener proposed the theory of continental drift. Would 90 to 97% of them say that the Earth’s crust was static? Probably so. It took another 40-50 years and new discovery in science before Wegener’s ideas became accepted as the facts as we know them today, that the Earth’s crust does in fact move in plates. But back then, scientists were so certain of their consensus, that they dismissed Wegener’s ideas:

Except for a few converts, and those like Cloos who couldn’t accept the concept but was clearly fascinated by it, the international geological community’s reaction to Wegener’s theory was militantly hostile. American geologist Frank Taylor had published a similar theory in 1910, but most of his colleagues had simply ignored it. Wegener’s more cogent and comprehensive work, however, was impossible to ignore and ignited a firestorm of rage and rancor. Moreover, most of the blistering attacks were aimed at Wegener himself, an outsider who seemed to be attacking the very foundations of geology.

Because of this abuse,Wegener could not get a professorship at any German university. Fortunately, the University of Graz in Austria was more tolerant of controversy, and in 1924 it appointed him professor of meteorology and geophysics.

In 1926 Wegener was invited to an international symposium in New York called to discuss his theory. Though he found some supporters, many speakers were sarcastic to the point of insult. Wegener said little. He just sat smoking his pipe and listening. His attitude seems to have mirrored that of Galileo who, forced to recant Copernicus’ theory that the Earth moves around the sun, is said to have murmured, “Nevertheless, it moves!”

Source: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Wegener/wegener_5.php

Sound familiar? The point here is that a perceived consensus doesn’t necessarily indicate factual certainty for any idea, and consensus in science can be overturned easily with new information.

 

Note: this article was updated shortly after publication to include a a URL for the source of the Wegener story

 

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September 24, 2015 8:17 pm

Chris G,
Clearly, my question went right over your head.
I said there are no empirical, testable, replicable measurements quantifying AGW — the fraction of man-made global warming (MMGW) out of all global warming from natural events, such as the recovery from the LIA.
No one has ever produced a verifiable measurement of AGW. It’s all based on assertions.
If you can produce a measurement that quantifies MMGW, you will be a shoo-in for the next Nobel Prize. But after centuries of searching and hundreds of billions wasted, those measurements are as elusive as ever.

Chris G
Reply to  dbstealey
September 24, 2015 8:28 pm

and the 10 years of watching the greenhouse effect increase in exactly the wavelengths only affected by CO2.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v519/n7543/full/nature14240.html

Lord Jim
Reply to  Chris G
September 24, 2015 8:35 pm

“Why a new paper does not provide evidence of an increased CO2 greenhouse effect ”
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/why-new-paper-does-not-provide-evidence.html

Reply to  Chris G
September 24, 2015 8:42 pm

That CO2 is radiatively active in those wavelengths is not in dispute. Neither is anyone “refuting” Fourier 1825, Tyndall 1856, or Arrhenius 1896, despite your assertion to that effect.
The central world authority on climate science is the United Nations IPCCm which from time to time publishes reports summarizing the most current knowledge we have, the latest being AR5. If the science is as obvious, trivial, and settled as your seem to think, one can only ask:
1. Why did AR5 publish (yet again) their sensitivity estimate as a range (1.5 to 4.5 deg C per doubling)? Do the elite climate scientists of the world, in their missive to the governing bodies of the human race, not know what the right number is?
2. Why did they, for the third report in a row, reduce the lower end of their sensitivity estimate?
3. Why, for the first time since the AR reports were first published, were these world leaders in climate science unable to arrive at a consensus estimate of sensitivity at all?
4. If the science has been so well known, for such a long time, and is so obviously trivial, why do climate models get completely different results from one another? You’d think they would all be the same? Are they not based on the known science? Further, if they are, why did the scientists set aside the known science in the climate models in favour of “expert opinion”?
You see Chris G, it isn’t a matter of rejecting anything. It is a matter of accepting the science exactly as it is expressed by the climate scientists themselves.

Chris G
Reply to  Chris G
September 24, 2015 8:44 pm

Umm, Jim, a blog post does not refute peer-reviewed research.

Chris G
Reply to  Chris G
September 24, 2015 8:46 pm

David,
You say that the IPCC is the most credible source, the IPCC states that human emissions are changing the climate, and Watts says, “It seems curious to me that if man-made climate change is so certain,…”
Maybe your argument is with Watts and not me.

Reply to  Chris G
September 24, 2015 8:48 pm

David,
You say that the IPCC is the most credible source

Are you going to answer my questions, or not?
Or are you asserting that the IPCC is not credible?

Reply to  Chris G
September 25, 2015 8:52 am

Are you going to answer my questions, or not?
Well Chris G? Are you going to answer? My guess is no. Whenever people like you are confronted with the actual facts of the debate, you slink off in silence. You created a straw man argument to attribute to others, and when faced with what scientists from your side of the debate are actually saying, you’ve got…. nothing.
If your protests were genuine, then perhaps you learned something. Your welcome. If they were not genuine, then all you have been is a troll trying to distract attention from the actual issues.

u.k.(us)
September 24, 2015 8:36 pm

I wonder what percentage think windmills will affect things.
Show your math please.

indefatigablefrog
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 25, 2015 12:38 pm

Self flagellation and sacrifice of treasure will appease the angry wrath of the weather gods.
Increase the flagellation and sacrifice will increase the appeasement.
Why do we need maths when such things are so self-evident. (sarc)

Mary Brown
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 25, 2015 1:14 pm

My hand is raised. I think windmills will factor in.
Climate Model Forecast warming next 100 years from fossil fuel sources = 3.0 deg K
Coefficient of climate model success 0.4
Skill adjusted climate model forecast next 100 years 3.0 * 0.4 = 1.2 deg K
Windmill % of global energy 1% … estimate growing to 3% by end of century yielding 2% average.
Windmill free lunch coefficient = 0.5. Half of windmill benefits erased by fossil fuels used to build and maintain them and extra guilt free consumption and researchers driving around counting birds.
Therefore…
Windmill temp reduction next 100 years = 0.5*.02*1.2 = 0.012 degrees K per century or one degree reduction every 8333 years.

DDP
September 24, 2015 9:26 pm

It’s doesn’t make any difference if there is a consensus opinion or not, Unless of course, funding for something is your biggest concern.
So it’s not really that much of a shock to see astronomers now going after their share of the pie when it’s potentially a far bigger part of the climate puzzle than the less than 4% anthropogenic co2 contribution of 0.04% of the Earth’s atmosphere. The veteran of the group has now learned that if you want to get in the game, you have to let the coach know you’ll play on special teams.
Mother Nature however, will give you the finger regardless of what you believe in.

Lady Gaiagaia
Reply to  DDP
September 24, 2015 9:30 pm

All of science is being corrupted, as Ike warned could happen.
If you want to study squirrels, say the magic words and win a grant. If you want to study stars, ditto. If you want to study minerals, ditto. If you want to study molecules, ditto. If you want to study engineering transport systems, ditto.
You name it, ditto.

Warren Latham
Reply to  Lady Gaiagaia
September 25, 2015 5:21 am

Spot on Lady Gaiagaia !
A “study” (stopped reading at the first sentence) = GRANT MONEY.
A “study” = Parisite-speak (drivel, white-wash, nonsense) to try and CON the public.
Regards,
WL

September 25, 2015 12:49 am

Since you brought it up Anthony, The Theory of continental drift is just that, a Theory. It is now an accepted dogma in geoscience. A hard core minority of international geoscientists still have their doubts, and like climate science, a large number are afraid to express their true opinions becuse they risk losing their careers. There are many parts of the ocean basins that contain older rocks than predicted by continental drift theory. Also the age of the uplift of many mountain ranges do not fit the current theory. FYI, to get an alternative view, go to the website of the Journal of New Concepts in Global Tectonics:
http://www.ncgt.org/

arfurhaddon
September 25, 2015 12:54 am

Go to left leaning universities, contact friends in in left leaning communication, social and earth science departments, get their left wing opinions, call it a survey and claim consensus on human-caused climate change in the broader scientific community. Simples.

Hivemind
September 25, 2015 1:28 am

Whenever I am confronted by a study like this, I always say that it shows more about the biases of the “researchers”, than about the subject being researched.

September 25, 2015 9:29 am

A relevant quote from Lindzen’s 2 June 2009 address at the Heartland conference: “The specialties of the scientists involved lie well outside of climate physics, but they can find funding and recognition by attempting to relate their specialty to global warming. Their ‘results’ are to be found in the newspapers every day. Cockroaches and malaria are spreading, the sex drive of butterflies diminishing, polar bears in potential danger, etc. From the point of view of serious science, this group is mostly a nuisance, but they play a major role in the maintenance of alarm. They also artificially swell the numbers of scientists who endorse the alarmist view.”
He also noted in another address that many scientists outside of climate science endorse the global warming meme just because ‘it makes their lives easier’ (close paraphrase).

September 25, 2015 9:36 am

“… that average global temperatures are higher than pre-1800s levels ” So, they wanted us to remain in the Little Ice Age???

indefatigablefrog
September 25, 2015 12:26 pm

Anyway, this has all been bugging my mind now for a couple of days.
Its almost as irritating as the fact that Lewandowsky exists.
Anyway, I would like to concoct a study which helps us to understant the problems with this study.
Here is my idea: My study will investigate the widely acknowledged problem that male University professors tacitly feel sexual attraction towards their much younger sexually attractive female students.
Here’s how the study would be presented:
We contacted a random selection of University professors via email and asked them to complete the survey containing the single question – do you ever feel sexually attracted to your female students.
Of 2000 professors contacted 328 responded, of these 98.4% stated that they feel no sexual attraction to their sexually attractive female students.
Hence, we conclude that the existence of a pervy male University professor is merely a myth that is being promoted by the media. Whilst such individuals are almost non-existent in the real world.
Why can the world not immediately detect that such an approach is childish bullcrap,
AND – on top of that was the glaring problem with the word “significant”.
I called it childish, but children in general are more honest and more intelligent.

September 25, 2015 12:31 pm

A response to Lady Gaiagaia and Climatologist , responding to my post from waaay up the thread.
So true!!!
Many posters have already provided other excellent examples of the damage done to honest scientists of times past who went where the data led them and were proven correct.
It might be “fun” to have our own list of examples in the sciences (with brief synopsis of the cases) here at WUWT, as a separate reference tab. Would that be possible Anthony?
[Tips & Notes is where your request should go. It’s sure to be seen there. ~mod.]

Tom in Florida
September 25, 2015 1:17 pm

This is the list of Big 10 Schools: Illinois. Indiana. Iowa. Maryland. Michigan. Michigan State. Minnesota. Nebraska. Northwestern. Ohio State. Penn State. Purdue. Rutgers. Wisconsin.
Notice Penn State. Now, the survey didn’t say which schools were surveyed. If the past is any indication of pure honesty, i wouldn’t be surprised if most of those surveyed were at Penn St.

RoHa
September 25, 2015 3:56 pm

“scientists are people, too,”
There’s your problem.

bethlylou
September 25, 2015 9:56 pm

This is the opposite of what she saw in another study. http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/BAMS-D-13-00172.1. In this study, 50% of scientists including 53% of climate scientists

bethlylou
September 25, 2015 9:58 pm

forgot to add that 50% of scientists and 53% of scientists believe in man-made climate change. So two studies and two opposite results.

GregK
September 26, 2015 6:32 am

I am a geoscientist
I believe that the earth is probably warmer than before the early 1800s.
The Thames River hasn’t frozen over since 1814
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs
Though perhaps not as warm as around 950 – 1100AD but still warmish
I also believe human activities can affect the climate, for instance rainfall in south west Australia
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/12/land-clearing-responsible-for-most-of-rainfall-decline-in-south-west-western-australia/
So I would probably be included as a believer by the Purdue University survey
However I also believe that the AGW/C02 hypothesis is fantasy pedalled by people ignorant of earth history
So what value the survey?

Reply to  GregK
September 26, 2015 7:26 am

” So what value the survey?”
Propaganda.

September 26, 2015 11:19 am

“In 1931, a book was published titled “100 Authors Against Einstein” refuting Albert Einstein’s theories of relativity. In the publication, there were not just 100, but 120 scientists, engineers and laity who all attempted to repudiate Einstein’s theories and promoted the book as the consensus view against relativity.”
Dr. Dennis Chamberland
Read more if you like. primarily about AGW: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/09/the_tyranny_of_consensus_.html#ixzz3mrzGS24V

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